Is there alien life out there?

[M-50]

Are there aliens? Do you believe in them or not? IF you do why, if you don't, why not? I do believe aliens are real as we have had many incidents that have not been accounted for. E.G. Most of the 'UFO' sightings are just weather ballons, hot air ballons, aircraft, aircraft that the governments are developing, meteors, comets, hoaxes and so on. But there are some incidents that make you wonder like the Roswell Incident of July 1947, the Rendlesham Forest incident of December 1980, they make you wonder if the government are hiding contact from outer space and other life forms aka aliens. :headbang:

[Sandal Hat]

Well, we can't be the ONLY planet in all of the universe that has suitable conditions for life.

[M-50]

Well, we can't be the ONLY planet in all of the universe that has suitable conditions for life.
We have found 186 other suitable planets that could contain life, but most (185) are in the wrong lace from the sun. The other one is the right distance from the sun but it was said that it was mainly a gassy planet like venus but without the boiling temperatures. :headbang:

[Ellegin]

there is other stars that could work as suns you know

[James Cizuz]

Not hard to find alien life, they found tree roots frozen in ice on mars. Can't remember but when that probe went to venus didn't it detect bacteria in the atomosphere? up where it's able to live without dieing from heat or cold? I forget could of sworn it was... To bad they were idiots back then and the probe melted when it landed on the surface :P

[everblack]

despite my christian beliefs i still belive that there are aliens out there. I just think they were also made in the image of God. I mean if he made the universe whats to stop him putting us on other planets?

[Icchy <3]

I think there can defiantly be alien, I think this because the chances of having a planet the same as earth (able to support life etc.) are very big. As Ellegin says,
there is other stars that could work as suns you know

[Cassie]

I'll have to say yes. The universe is too big. It would seem pretty stupid so say that earth is the only planet with lifeform in the universe. This seems stupid whether you believe in creationism or science.

[Nichigo]

I don't believe there is extraterrestrial life...but they stem from my belief as a Christian, and explaining it here would be futile =)

[Endess Wings]

There may be life out there! But the IQ`s may be something eils! For all we know! ONe can be on this site with us! reading this stuff and talk with us as one of us!

[Draffut]

With the multi-billions of planets that have been in existance for multi-billion years, life may very will exist.

But to many people think of aliens as little green super smart people. thes other planets with "aliens" may very well only have things like horses and cats and birds. The chances of anoutehr planet having generated life, and had it branch down hte same path as humanity is very slim. and for them to be more advanced then us is even slimmer, and for there planet to be close enough to even reach us... well thats just next to impossible.

[M_A]

WE know there are probably billions of planets out there. We know it is possible for intelligent life to occur on a planet, because that is what happened on Earth. Therefore,m it is illogical to assume that we are the only life in the universe.

[Random Havoc]

We have already found life forms in our universe and we've found life supporting suitable planets in our universe. The question is are they intelligeant lifeforms? I would have to say yes, based on the same reason Sandal Hat posted. In something so vast, can we only be the only ones?

But I don't think extraterrestrial life exists based on UFO sightings of any kinds. IMO, they are all shams. Want to debate on this? I have a simple question for you:

Why is it that more and more people carry powerful cameras on them has encreased in the last 10 years, yet we've had almost 0 UFO sightings since that period?

[Sandal Hat]

Maybe the aliens underestimated our earlier camera's,but since we have sighted them they stay clear of our even more powerful cameras. :)

[Icchy <3]

But maybe the aliens are like 1000 years ahead of us, nothings saing that we wern't created first.

[Shinraco]

i do believe that there's aliens but if there a more advanced race, not really. i definitely believe that the government has proof of alien existence like a single cell micro organism but doesn't realise the info because if the world knew there were aliens(some thing that's not from this world) the world would be plunge into chaos because it would defy nearly all religion

[Random Havoc]

Are you trying to say that we haven't already proven religion wrong? XD

They released that info, we have found single cell microorganisms in ice taken from mars.

[Mei-Chan]

I don't think about stuff like this so much.. but I don't think we're the only one. I'm thinkin that if there is life out there, they're smart enough to stay away from us.

[akin_t]

I don't think about stuff like this so much.. but I don't think we're the only one. I'm thinkin that if there is life out there, they're smart enough to stay away from us.

QFT

I don't think about this kind of stuff at all .. but until proven otherwise, I see no reason to believe there's any life out there.

[Shinraco]

Are you trying to say that we haven't already proven religion wrong? XD
They released that info, we have found single cell microorganisms in ice taken from mars.
pfft yea right, were did you heard this from?

[KT Samurai]

Some goon somewhere discovered that the Nazi's were developin' disc-like aircraft during World War II. Perhaps the same goon discovered that shortly after Nazi Germany's defeat, America was grabbin' Nazi scientists (not just German, but NAZI scientists) and haulin' em over to do research and development. These same scientists were stationed near Area 51, and some goons out there theorize that America was using Nazi scientists to develop circular-shaped aircraft. Why? Who knows.

Now, in all likelyhood, the United States of America probably wouldn't want anyone knowin' they've got Nazi scientists workin' their Nazi magic on American soil. This would naturally be kept a secret. Assuming these Nazi's were, in fact, working on flying dinner plates in the New Mexico area, one would think that America would try to keep a pretty tight lid on things. If you're in the right frame of mind, all of this makes sense. The scientists WERE in America. It's documented fact, according to the documentary I saw on the Discovery channel. The plans for disc-shaped aircraft are REAL, again, according to that same show. If you can do a little math, 1+1=2, and there you have the Roswell crash: an experimental flying object developed by Nazi's for the "greatest" country in the world.

O' course, this is a newer and whackier theory. Just thought I'd share it.

As for REAL alien life out there, I think it's highly probable. The age-old arguement is that, statisically, it's just impossible for there NOT to be life out there.

Unless you ask a Christian. They'll tell you otherwise.

[Schoulayer]

Wheres the 'Theres not any real evidence to prove alien life exists but we cannot rule their existance out option? Add a maybe button to your poll :winking56

[Random Havoc]

pfft yea right, were did you heard this from?

You'll have to forgive me. Let me state what is facts and what is my assumption. It has been proven that there has been water on Mars and speculation is that there still is now. It is my assumption that if water exist, so does some sort of life form within that. Scientist hypothesis that is it single cell organisms.

Hope this clears that up a little.

[Tachibana]

is there alien life out there?
ya why not... perhaps in another galaxy

[Vlad]

So many planets in the universe it's improbable there are no life forms beside us out there. Also so called suitable planets for the life is suitable for Earth type life forms, we have no idea in what kind of conditions other life forms can survive.

[saycheese]

yes to the thread. intellegent alien life form? hmmmm

[M-50]

yes to the thread. intellegent alien life form? hmmmm
Why do you think there might not be intelligent life forms? :headbang:

[cyrusck]

So many planets in the universe it's improbable there are no life forms beside us out there. Also so called suitable planets for the life is suitable for Earth type life forms, we have no idea in what kind of conditions other life forms can survive.

u r wrong.. they can survive like living in different life forms and can survive in the cold or hot condition. scientice has some proof on it..and do tell u the soil of the star material tat drop from the sky is totally different from our earth's...

they dun have the name for it for example we name for it.. Mg, Fe, Cu this kind of things.. but the manerial tat from the star is nothing like us.. is unknown.. but
we also have cope some name for sure..

life form.. they also might have the posiblelity tat cannot survive at here.. coz mayb they dun use O2 to survive..they use other gas or mayb CO2.. different planet have there own mojority gas.. like for us is CO2 and the O2..

from the newspaper somehow.. they have proof for the body of the alien.. but...they would not dispose the news to tell us.. coz private and not sure is true.. and they make this secretly for sure...

hehe

[Vlad]

u r wrong.. they can survive like living in different life forms and can survive in the cold or hot condition. scientice has some proof on it..and do tell u the soil of the star material tat drop from the sky is totally different from our earth's...

they dun have the name for it for example we name for it.. Mg, Fe, Cu this kind of things.. but the manerial tat from the star is nothing like us.. is unknown.. but
we also have cope some name for sure..

life form.. they also might have the posiblelity tat cannot survive at here.. coz mayb they dun use O2 to survive..they use other gas or mayb CO2.. different planet have there own mojority gas.. like for us is CO2 and the O2..

from the newspaper somehow.. they have proof for the body of the alien.. but...they would not dispose the news to tell us.. coz private and not sure is true.. and they make this secretly for sure...

hehe
Dude I said "we have no idea in what kind of conditions other life forms can survive" I did not said they can't survive, I meant life forms can leave in such a places where Earth ones can't, so they could be in places we do not expect, because conditions on that planets too different and people assume that they can not leave in there.

[Sandal Hat]

u r wrong.. they can survive like living in different life forms and can survive in the cold or hot condition. scientice has some proof on it..and do tell u the soil of the star material tat drop from the sky is totally different from our earth's...

they dun have the name for it for example we name for it.. Mg, Fe, Cu this kind of things.. but the manerial tat from the star is nothing like us.. is unknown.. but
we also have cope some name for sure..

life form.. they also might have the posiblelity tat cannot survive at here.. coz mayb they dun use O2 to survive..they use other gas or mayb CO2.. different planet have there own mojority gas.. like for us is CO2 and the O2..

from the newspaper somehow.. they have proof for the body of the alien.. but...they would not dispose the news to tell us.. coz private and not sure is true.. and they make this secretly for sure...

hehe

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude/mean or anything, but could please re-type that paragraph in way that is more understandable?

[Savage Dragon]

after seeing the poll results there one thing that really got me thinking
there where only 2 people that said they dont believe in alians

BUT

If any of you people who did say they believe met someone who claimed he was upducted by alians from Uranus would you really believe him or anyone who claimed to belive them?

[Sandal Hat]

@ Cyrus: It's ok, I understand now

If someone came up to me saying that I would first have to know the history of the person. I wouldn't believe anyone if they said they were abducted by aliens from a planet in our solar system.

[M-50]

QFT
I don't think about this kind of stuff at all .. but until proven otherwise, I see no reason to believe there's any life out there.
So you would only believe in aliens if one of them came up to you and said 'I am an alien.' Is that what you are saying? Or dou you mean if pictures had been taken from them and published in newspapers and stuff? :headbang:
For all those that don't believe in aliens or are 50-50, go to this link and read it. Then tell me what you think.
Click Here (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/PublicationScheme/SearchPublicationScheme/UnidentifiedFlyingObjectsufoRendleshamForestIncide nt1980.htm)
Read all of them, some are actual files from former and current personnel, others are newspaper clips and cuttings. :headbang:

[Chrono Detector]

I don't really believe in alien life, and the pictures of UFO's being spotted doesn't seem to conviencing to me.

[Draffut]

Rohil, please change the display of that link to something smaller. it streaches my screen out wasy to much.

[cyrusck]

@ Cyrus: It's ok, I understand now
If someone came up to me saying that I would first have to know the history of the person. I wouldn't believe anyone if they said they were abducted by aliens from a planet in our solar system.

lucky tat u understand already.. sorry for my poor grammar or explaination..

so tat i no need to retype again

[HitsugayaFrEAk]

yeah i think sp cuz we can't be the only planet that has lifeforms

[Merovingian]

No doubt about it! Even with all the false reports (because there are probably many), there's just not enough evidence to convince me otherwise.

I think that there is life out there that has visited Earth, for better or for worse.

[Draffut]

I belive there is most likely life out there. But I am suprised how many people acutallu think that this life is super smart with the technology to locate us on our planet, and be able to travel here within a reasonable amount of time, all without our knowing. That all seams kind of rediculous.

[Merovingian]

Well, we have to understand that if there are various civilizations out there, they couldn't all have started at the same time. Even a hundred years is a big difference. We only showed up on Earth a few million years ago, and the Universe has been able to support life for hundreds, if not thousands of times that long.

[Draffut]

You also have to concider how little of a chance to generate life there is, and then what the chances are for that life form to be able to thrive and survive, then the chances for that life form to evolve into something with more hten one cell, then the chance for those "animals" to evolve into something with indipendant intelligence like humans, then the chance for that life form to not kill itself threw same species war and depleteion of natural resources, then the chances if they get threw that to have delevoped the technology to be able to travel the galaxies at lightspeeds. (theoretically impossible) Then the chance of this race to find humanity on this one little planet in the middle of millions of billions of planets in our Galaxy, much less other galaxies. you see where I am going with this?

[Merovingian]

At the same time, there are countless stars, and exponentially more planets. Even with a harsh criterion as the Drake equation, that leaves plenty of Earth-like worlds, even in our own galaxy. Also, you can't say that travel at or beyond lightspeed is impossible. It's been shown to exist in laboratories, and since we've only counted one species so far, we don't have a very good sample area for testing.

Finally, it can't be that hard to find us. With all the noise that we've been putting out over the last century or so, I daresay that somebody, somewhere will pick up an old copy of that first transmission out of KDKA.

[Ichigo_the_demon_slayer]

there is no way we are the only living organisms in this universe or whatever i just think we arent smart enough to see whats hiding behind us in a manner of speaking of course but we cant be alone that is just egotistical thinking besides where do we get all our ideas?

[Merovingian]

Do you believe it's possible we've "acquired" some technology from advanced civilizations? People say that about the stuff recovered from the Roswell crash.

[Draffut]

Also, you can't say that travel at or beyond lightspeed is impossible. It's been shown to exist in laboratories, and since we've only counted one species so far, we don't have a very good sample area for testing.

You seriously believe this? We have not been able to replicate light travel with anything physical, we have not even come remotely close. We are close to some other things like greating a very, very, very small black hole. but that is a different subject.

But the fact still exists that even if all those things happen, and there is intellegent life out in the universe. Even if they do gain the capabilities to travel at the speed of light, they would still be hundreds and hundreds of years away from our planet. (traveling at the speed of light) Unless we have super space turtles comming to visit us, they would die long before they ever reached earth.

Also, if an alien race goes through all this trouble of reaching earth, why would they keep it a secret? They just spent thousands of years worth of technology, travel, and lives, to reach us, then they are just going to hide? That doesn''t make a whole lot of sense.

[saycheese]

Why do you think there might not be intelligent life forms? :headbang:

the chances of finding life are high. the chances of finding intellegent life which can create civilisations like we can are much slimer. thus its probable that we find lifeforms and possible that we find intellegent lifeforms.

[Shinomori]

You seriously believe this? We have not been able to replicate light travel with anything physical, we have not even come remotely close. We are close to some other things like greating a very, very, very small black hole. but that is a different subject.

Wrong. We have come close with small particles. The problem is that, when you add more energy to an object, you move it faster. When you move it faster, it has more mass due to the simple relativity equation. Therefore, it requires more energy to accelerate. Once you get an object up to an extremely high mass, you cannot actually give the object the amount of energy needed to sustain such high velocity movement. Therefore, light travel is not possible at this moment because we do not have a large enough source of usable energy.

Yes, aliens do exist.

I was probed by one once.

(not).

But I can say that there is PROBABLY at LEAST one other species on another world. Because the probability of having only ONE planet with suitable living conditions in the entire universe is impossibly low - in fact, so low that it is almost 0. Not to mention that different organisms would require different conditions, therefore I can say with certainty that they exist.

[Vampyrelord]

Not hard to find alien life, they found tree roots frozen in ice on mars. Can't remember but when that probe went to venus didn't it detect bacteria in the atomosphere? up where it's able to live without dieing from heat or cold? I forget could of sworn it was... To bad they were idiots back then and the probe melted when it landed on the surface :P

Rubbish, they have found no conclusive evidence of alien life forms.

However, I do believe that there are other life forms out there, I'm just saying we haven't found any yet...

Oh, and Draffut is quite correct, it is impossible for an object with mass (i.e. a spaceship) to travel at lightspeed.

[Neve]

We haven't found any lifeforms out there...but considering the size and number of planets in the universe it would be crazy to suggest that there weren't any other life forms.

We have found running water on the planet Europia - a moon of Jupiter, and it is predicted that micro-organisms live there, but we haven't been able to prove anything so far. Thats as close as we've got I believe.

[M-50]

Rubbish, they have found no conclusive evidence of alien life forms.

However, I do believe that there are other life forms out there, I'm just saying we haven't found any yet...

Oh, and Draffut is quite correct, it is impossible for an object with mass (i.e. a spaceship) to travel at lightspeed.
Although theoretically, they have found a way for a spaceship to travel at or around a maximum of 99% speed of light. All they need is the energy of a small supernova. :LOL:

[Random Havoc]

Well allong the light speed argument, I heard that you acheieve a small "teleportation" but not with mass yet, but with light source or something or the genre. I'll see if I can find the source soon.

[M-50]

Well allong the light speed argument, I heard that you acheieve a small "teleportation" but not with mass yet, but with light source or something or the genre. I'll see if I can find the source soon.
They actually found out that theoretically, if you had the propulsion of a small supernova you could create a 'gravity-free vacuum' which would allow you to travel at a velocity of 99% of the speed of light. :headbang:

[Vampyrelord]

They actually found out that theoretically, if you had the propulsion of a small supernova you could create a 'gravity-free vacuum' which would allow you to travel at a velocity of 99% of the speed of light. :headbang:

As far as I know an object with mass cannot travel at the speed of light simply because it is matter, not energy. If it were to travel at such speeds it would cease to be matter.

[BeeCrest]

I believe that yes, it's probable that there is life out there in the universe. Whether or not they are microrganisms or have advanced civilizations, I don't know.

[Merovingian]

As far as I know an object with mass cannot travel at the speed of light simply because it is matter, not energy. If it were to travel at such speeds it would cease to be matter.Do you mean that it would become energy?

[Random Havoc]

Light is not mass, so it is able to aceed at those speeds. If it's mass, it just doek that way.

So if a mass does travel at that speed... then that means it's not mass at all.

[Tokoyami]

As far as I know an object with mass cannot travel at the speed of light simply because it is matter, not energy. If it were to travel at such speeds it would cease to be matter.
Why?

I think that there is life out there and that some organization knows it and is keeping it under wraps.

EDIT: yo i saw this one video a while back. I had searched for "aliens" on kazaa back when Steven Speilsburg (spelling...i kno..) created the scifi short series "Taken". I found a few alien sighting videos. One was where a craft, a saucer, was floating next to a sky scraper, and then it flew super fast torwards the camera and the ppl inside this lil car thing and then up thru the clouds.

Another real interesting one was where these quaritine suit wearing ppl were disecting an Alien that was laying on the table. My mom said its probably fake. But...what if it wasnt?

anyone else seen any videos?

[Random Havoc]

I've seen that first video you speak of. They arein a helicopter from what I know and they are near either CN tower or Twin Towers. I'm guessing it's fake because the video is really popular and went out hardcore into public and since there wasn't a giant revolt and questioning the government so I guess it was fake.

[ChansteR]

I believe that video is fake, dont u think it would be more controversial for a UFO to be near a skyscaper and not anyone notice such a object in the sky.

as for the speed of light, if u have the power of a supernova, I doubt that can happen or even produce such a thing unless u are the fire dude off Fantastic 4 :p but you will need to somehow create a source that generate over thousands of degrees in heat for a supernova to be obtained.

[mooks]

I think the idea of alien life visting earth is poposterous. I'm not saying that there isn't any intelligent life out there, that would be a really, really big waste of space. But the fact that some creature that has gone through the same evolutionary phase to an astounding detail that they are bi-pedal beings with opposable thumbs and two eyes and same deviation for technology....

I dunno what's worse, the lack of imagination or the fact that is so common

[Rising Phoenix]

Sure, as far as we know the universe is infinite and life of Earth has proven itself very adaptable and now evry inch of this planet is covered by some sort of life.

We also forget that life on other planets may not be like the life we have on earth.

As for alien inteligence well I really don't know, and as long as they don't bother me I won't care either :P

Cheers,

R.P.

[Merovingian]

I think the idea of alien life visting earth is poposterous. I'm not saying that there isn't any intelligent life out there, that would be a really, really big waste of space. But the fact that some creature that has gone through the same evolutionary phase to an astounding detail that they are bi-pedal beings with opposable thumbs and two eyes and same deviation for technology....
I dunno what's worse, the lack of imagination or the fact that is so common
Whos says they have to be just like us?

[dragoneyes001]

yes there is other life out there it wont necessarily be life as we know it the basis of their genetics could be non-carbon and they sure dont need to have anything that resembles human form they could have different intelligence that we can't fathom a sentient cloud of gases (look at humans again) is not impossible theres unlimited possibilities of how they would exist we just need to be able to recognise them when we find them.

[Vampyrelord]

yes there is other life out there it wont necessarily be life as we know it the basis of their genetics could be non-carbon and they sure dont need to have anything that resembles human form they could have different intelligence that we can't fathom a sentient cloud of gases (look at humans again) is not impossible theres unlimited possibilities of how they would exist we just need to be able to recognise them when we find them.

They'd probably be based on an entirely different system to us, they might not have what we'd recognise as "cells" at all...

[rurouni kenshin]

aliens i want to see one ^^
wonder wat they lookk like? do they have swords,guns,laser etc


DO THEY HAVE POWERS ?

[dragoneyes001]

aliens i want to see one ^^
wonder wat they lookk like? do they have swords,guns,laser etc
DO THEY HAVE POWERS ?

I really doubt any of the people who do believe there is other life out there mean aliens like your describing.

the most likely forms of extraterrestrial life will be bound to the planetary conditions it was developed on same as humans were to earths development.

what they will be made of and look like can vary in the extreme and is very likely we wouldn't even recognise them when or if we see them.

an example of this could be spirits: although we cant see or hear them what is to say what we consider spirits (ethereal beings) are not some form of alien life we just cant communicate with because our forms differ so much we can't overcome the barrier between us to be able to communicate. the likelihood of life forms being of this nature existing is as great as our very existence and would also reduce the likelihood of us ever making contact.

[Draffut]

Wrong. We have come close with small particles. The problem is that, when you add more energy to an object, you move it faster. When you move it faster, it has more mass due to the simple relativity equation. Therefore, it requires more energy to accelerate. Once you get an object up to an extremely high mass, you cannot actually give the object the amount of energy needed to sustain such high velocity movement. Therefore, light travel is not possible at this moment because we do not have a large enough source of usable energy.
Yes, aliens do exist.
I was probed by one once.
(not).
But I can say that there is PROBABLY at LEAST one other species on another world. Because the probability of having only ONE planet with suitable living conditions in the entire universe is impossibly low - in fact, so low that it is almost 0. Not to mention that different organisms would require different conditions, therefore I can say with certainty that they exist.

It doesn't matter how much force you can create, you cannot attain the speed of light, you can come close though, but that is beyond physical means to be able to obtain with anything of recpectible size.

And concidering there are only few planets that are even remotely inhabitable, and with the conditions required to create life within many thousands light years, I am still curious how they are asposed to reach us. As it would take tens of thousands, to hundreds of thousands of years to travel across the universe here. And as i already said, our "signals" would take thousands of years to reach other life forms, then it would take thousands of years to get a responce. and thats even if they did respond.

I still dotn see how you can feasibly believe that alien life has visited earth threw all these cirumstances.

Also, not only does anotuher planet have to have the right conditions for life, it also has to create it in the first chance, which is almost impossible to do, and then have the life that is created be complex enough to survive in the harsh enviorments, and be created with the ability to replicate itself.

[dragoneyes001]

It doesn't matter how much force you can create, you cannot attain the speed of light, you can come close though, but that is beyond physical means to be able to obtain with anything of recpectible size.
And concidering there are only few planets that are even remotely inhabitable, and with the conditions required to create life within many thousands light years, I am still curious how they are asposed to reach us. As it would take tens of thousands, to hundreds of thousands of years to travel across the universe here. And as i already said, our "signals" would take thousands of years to reach other life forms, then it would take thousands of years to get a responce. and thats even if they did respond.
I still dotn see how you can feasibly believe that alien life has visited earth threw all these cirumstances.
Also, not only does anotuher planet have to have the right conditions for life, it also has to create it in the first chance, which is almost impossible to do, and then have the life that is created be complex enough to survive in the harsh enviorments, and be created with the ability to replicate itself.

actually there are ways to bypass the speed of light one of which is bending space where space winds up looking like an overlapping loop where you travel only from the start point to the overlap and from the overlap to the end point removing the need to travel the entire length of the loop this is the basis of worm holes as put forth by a few theories.

[M-50]

[QUOTE] the idea of alien life visting earth is poposterous. I'm not saying that there isn't any intelligent life out there, that would be a really, really big waste of space. But the fact that some creature that has gone through the same evolutionary phase to an astounding detail that they are bi-pedal beings with opposable thumbs and two eyes and same deviation for technology....[QUOTE]
Why can other aliens visit us? If they had evolved 5 million years before us then their technlogy would be advanced enough to visit us. And the fact that aliens have evolved as bi-pedals is ont outstanding, it is a slim chance.

[Draffut]

actually there are ways to bypass the speed of light one of which is bending space where space winds up looking like an overlapping loop where you travel only from the start point to the overlap and from the overlap to the end point removing the need to travel the entire length of the loop this is the basis of worm holes as put forth by a few theories.

At this point you begin dealing with the 4th dimension, which is impossible to do. You are talking about moving a 3 dimensional object threw a 4 dimensional one, and worm holes are a huge "theory" and even with them, you cant control where you arive on the other end. Even if it was possible to have a manmade wormhole, you would have to be able to open both ends of the wormhole to travel threw it, which means you would have already had to have traveled the thousands of lightyears away.

[Vampyrelord]

actually there are ways to bypass the speed of light one of which is bending space where space winds up looking like an overlapping loop where you travel only from the start point to the overlap and from the overlap to the end point removing the need to travel the entire length of the loop this is the basis of worm holes as put forth by a few theories.

As far as I know (which isn't very far but bear with me here) that ony exists in science fiction...

[Reinsai]

Yeah i think theres got to be other life out there, i mean come on you think one little speck of hell would have the only life in the universe? That would really be some sorry assed universe to me.

[dragoneyes001]

As far as I know (which isn't very far but bear with me here) that ony exists in science fiction...

the existance of worm holes has been confirmed beyond just theory the use of worm holes is still just fiction.

[M-50]

Originally Posted by dragoneyes001
actually there are ways to bypass the speed of light one of which is bending space where space winds up looking like an overlapping loop where you travel only from the start point to the overlap and from the overlap to the end point removing the need to travel the entire length of the loop this is the basis of worm holes as put forth by a few theories.
At this point you begin dealing with the 4th dimension, which is impossible to do. You are talking about moving a 3 dimensional object threw a 4 dimensional one, and worm holes are a huge "theory" and even with them, you cant control where you arive on the other end. Even if it was possible to have a manmade wormhole, you would have to be able to open both ends of the wormhole to travel threw it, which means you would have already had to have traveled the thousands of lightyears away.
There are more than four dimensions, time is one of them. The theory is that if you can bend time sufficently, you would create a passage to another place in the universe in much less time than it would normally happen, aka, a wormhole. Wormholes are not a huge theory. Plus to build a man made wormhole you would not need to go to the other end first. You could travel while bending space. This would create the wormhole while you are travelling in it. It would stay stable for other space craft to travel in it after you. :headbang:

[Random Havoc]

To my knowledge there is no such thing as the 5th dimension, there is only 4.

[Draffut]

Actually Dragoneyes, we have not proven that they exist at all. We have found things in space which we think are wormholes, but those could very easily end up being something completely different.

Also, Rohil, I am interested in knowing how you are so "enlightened" on the construction of a wormhole. We dont even know how to manufacture one, so i would be interested in seeing how we could "build it as we go"

As far as I see it, if a worm hole is time bent to allow fast passage, then the amount of time it takes to go from one end to the otehr would be almost nonexistant. how do you build something in absolutely 0 time? you would have to open a passagway in both ends.

[dragoneyes001]

Actually Dragoneyes, we have not proven that they exist at all. We have found things in space which we think are wormholes, but those could very easily end up being something completely different.
Also, Rohil, I am interested in knowing how you are so "enlightened" on the construction of a wormhole. We dont even know how to manufacture one, so i would be interested in seeing how we could "build it as we go"
As far as I see it, if a worm hole is time bent to allow fast passage, then the amount of time it takes to go from one end to the otehr would be almost nonexistant. how do you build something in absolutely 0 time? you would have to open a passagway in both ends.

you'll note I said "proven beyond theory" they have done tests that show not only the possibility of wormholes but that some tests actually mimic wormholes. and as you've said there are sightings of what they consider wormholes all of which places wormholes beyond the level of just theory.

[Draffut]

But how do we know those suposid "wormholes" arn't just a difernt type of Blackhole. Or maybe they arean odd collection of photons. We dont know what they are. we just think they may have the slight chance of hopefully being something maybe resembling what could possibly be a "wormhole".

And what tests have been done to mimic wormholes? I dont think with any level of physical technology we know how to bend time itself. I may be mistaken.

[dragoneyes001]

it'd be hard to look up again the tests in question were only a part of a documentary on a completely different subject.

it had something to do with magnetics if I remember correctly and until I see that documentary again dont quote it.

as for how do they know dont ask me that kind of math was just a tad beyond me. what they did say was being confirmed by more than a single source so they seemed to think the math was correct.

[FutureEmperor]

All of that debate is irrelavent when compared to the initial question... and furthermore there is only speculative theory in those areas...
but the commonly held beliefs are...

-worm holes exist and black holes are possibly wormholes themselves, although -no worm hole has ever been seen.
-string theory supports worm holes.
-there can be infinite amount of spatial dimensions... but because gravity becomes weaker with each sucessive dimensions most dimensions past the 3rd are "curled in" or colapsed upon themselves... There is only 1 time dimension flowing in one direction... this is proven by the law of entropy...

There are NO documented cases of "life" out side of earth... bacteria, prokaryotes or even virused (debateable whether a virus is a life form...)

despite that it would be impossible for there to not be life out there, whether this life is sophisticated enough to travel to earth or whether we will eventually meet intelligent life is debatable... Life is out there some where... but saying that life on other planets could be completely different from what is on earth... i.e no DNA, and breathing sulphur... It is likely that another alien species would need water, but not necissarily true (water being one of the more common, and useful elements out there...)

Finally my credentials... while not perfect they are something. I'm Part of the OCESS or the OTTAWA CARELTON EDUCATIONAL SPACE SIMULATION. I help teach grade nine astronomy courses, and i do know a few things about string theory and space sciences... although i know nothing of english :rolleye09 as you can probably tell from my spelling (english is my first language... sadly... lol)

*edit

Also light travel is impossible, and time does not stop or reverse when you go faster than the speed of light (which is impossible). it only seems like it is because you are catching up to photons which bounced of the object before you left... of course if you were traveling faster than light and you looked backwards you wouldnt be able to see the photons as they wouldnt reach your retina...since your retina is traveling faster than the photons...)

replicating the speed of light is easy... turn on a light bulb... there done... moving ANY mass at the speed of light is impossible, even electrons cant do it.

[M-50]

Actually Dragoneyes, we have not proven that they exist at all. We have found things in space which we think are wormholes, but those could very easily end up being something completely different.
Also, Rohil, I am interested in knowing how you are so "enlightened" on the construction of a wormhole. We dont even know how to manufacture one, so i would be interested in seeing how we could "build it as we go"
As far as I see it, if a worm hole is time bent to allow fast passage, then the amount of time it takes to go from one end to the otehr would be almost nonexistant. how do you build something in absolutely 0 time? you would have to open a passagway in both ends.
I am only so enlightened on the construction of a wormhole because it is a theory. If we had the technology to bend light, we could in theory, bend light while we were travelling. Therefore creating a wormhole as we travel. This would require enormous manpower and concentration (or just a super, super, super, super, super, super, computer) otherwise we would just end up somewhere that we might not want to be, like a black hole. :headbang:

[M-50]

All of that debate is irrelavent when compared to the initial question... and furthermore there is only speculative theory in those areas...
but the commonly held beliefs are...

-worm holes exist and black holes are possibly wormholes themselves, although -no worm hole has ever been seen.
-string theory supports worm holes.
-there can be infinite amount of spatial dimensions... but because gravity becomes weaker with each sucessive dimensions most dimensions past the 3rd are "curled in" or colapsed upon themselves... There is only 1 time dimension flowing in one direction... this is proven by the law of entropy...

There are NO documented cases of "life" out side of earth... bacteria, prokaryotes or even virused (debateable whether a virus is a life form...)

despite that it would be impossible for there to not be life out there, whether this life is sophisticated enough to travel to earth or whether we will eventually meet intelligent life is debatable... Life is out there some where... but saying that life on other planets could be completely different from what is on earth... i.e no DNA, and breathing sulphur... It is likely that another alien species would need water, but not necissarily true (water being one of the more common, and useful elements out there...)

Finally my credentials... while not perfect they are something. I'm Part of the OCESS or the OTTAWA CARELTON EDUCATIONAL SPACE SIMULATION. I help teach grade nine astronomy courses, and i do know a few things about string theory and space sciences... although i know nothing of english :rolleye09 as you can probably tell from my spelling (english is my first language... sadly... lol)

*edit

Also light travel is impossible, and time does not stop or reverse when you go faster than the speed of light (which is impossible). it only seems like it is because you are catching up to photons which bounced of the object before you left... of course if you were traveling faster than light and you looked backwards you wouldnt be able to see the photons as they wouldnt reach your retina...since your retina is traveling faster than the photons...)

replicating the speed of light is easy... turn on a light bulb... there done... moving ANY mass at the speed of light is impossible, even electrons cant do it.
I agree that time does not stop or reverse, but it does go slower, the closer you travel to the speed of light. I can't remember the theory right now, but I will get it and carry on what I want to say in that thread about it.
Actually that is untrue. We have actually had gold nuclei travel at the speed of light over the Atlantic ocean to create a mini black hole when they smashed into each other. :headbang:

[FutureEmperor]

I agree that time does not stop or reverse, but it does go slower, the closer you travel to the speed of light. I can't remember the theory right now, but I will get it and carry on what I want to say in that thread about it.
Actually that is untrue. We have actually had gold nuclei travel at the speed of light over the Atlantic ocean to create a mini black hole when they smashed into each other. :headbang:

I would like to see the gold nuclei creating mini black holes... because it sounds like theory rather than fact... (seriously speed of light is impossible for anything with a mass... and it only appears to us that time slows down when traveling really fast.) Anyways an mass would need infinit energy to travel at the speed of light so it makes sense that a colision would cause them to create a black hole... but its just not possible.

unless you show me otherwise ill have to disagree with you on this one..

[Tokoyami]

I would like to see the gold nuclei creating mini black holes... because it sounds like theory rather than fact... (seriously speed of light is impossible for anything with a mass... and it only appears to us that time slows down when traveling really fast.) Anyways an mass would need infinit energy to travel at the speed of light so it makes sense that a colision would cause them to create a black hole... but its just not possible.
unless you show me otherwise ill have to disagree with you on this one..
Ive heard about that mini black hole theory as well. I'll look it up later tonight and get back to you with it if you wanna read it for yourself.

Another interesting rumor i heard is that they found a 5th state of matter. (besides gas, solid, liquid, and plasma).

But anyways, what if aliens dont travel at the speed of light and they simply use wormholes to get around?

[dragoneyes001]

there's also another means of changing the space you travel in and its all based on magnetism where you bend the space between both points and only travel across the gap from end to end its similar to the string theory but your dealing with a U shaped distorted space the tips of the U are point A and B start and finish instead of traveling the entire distance of the U you cut a straight line between A and B cutting the distance traveled by a large margin and since there's evidence space does bend when magnetism is present its a very real possibility.

[FutureEmperor]

Ive heard about that mini black hole theory as well. I'll look it up later tonight and get back to you with it if you wanna read it for yourself.
Another interesting rumor i heard is that they found a 5th state of matter. (besides gas, solid, liquid, and plasma).
But anyways, what if aliens dont travel at the speed of light and they simply use wormholes to get around?

Whats this 5th state of matter? i would like to know more... and

also mini black holes are supposed to appear all the time and collapse all the time... two objects with mass which collide would probably cause a massive black hole, as thats infinite energy hitting infinite energy.. but once again objects with mass CANNOT go past the speed of light.

Worm holes and bending space are the same thing... although i havent heard much about magnitism bending space... anyways as for space bending gravity would still probably be more efficient.

[Draffut]

I agree that time does not stop or reverse, but it does go slower, the closer you travel to the speed of light. I can't remember the theory right now, but I will get it and carry on what I want to say in that thread about it.
Actually that is untrue. We have actually had gold nuclei travel at the speed of light over the Atlantic ocean to create a mini black hole when they smashed into each other. :headbang:

Wait, you are trying to tell me we shot 2 nuclei across the atantic ocean with enough accuracy (despite this is pretty much impossible already) to make them collide? That R Funny!

You guys, I would like to see some actualy scientific journals that have info on these impossible feats. Otherwise I am putting all my momey on you are full of BS. As i think i stated earlier, I try to keep myself up-to-date with as much "scientific" news as i can. but alot of this stuff is proposterous.

[dragoneyes001]

Whats this 5th state of matter? i would like to know more... and
also mini black holes are supposed to appear all the time and collapse all the time... two objects with mass which collide would probably cause a massive black hole, as thats infinite energy hitting infinite energy.. but once again objects with mass CANNOT go past the speed of light.
Worm holes and bending space are the same thing... although i havent heard much about magnitism bending space... anyways as for space bending gravity would still probably be more efficient.

its not quite the same thing since a wormhole is a very focused bending of space where two points far apart are brought tight together in effect point A and B are the same place if you enter either you arrive to the other.

bending space to travel across to the other point because the distance between is less than the entire distance it was is. does not qualify as a wormhole its simply bent space.

edit currently have feelers out among physics majors to see if I can find a definitive answer on the magnetics.

[FutureEmperor]

its not quite the same thing since a wormhole is a very focused bending of space where two points far apart are brought tight together in effect point A and B are the same place if you enter either you arrive to the other.
bending space to travel across to the other point because the distance between is less than the entire distance it was is. does not qualify as a wormhole its simply bent space.

they are... no matter how far you bend space you will need to some how move from point A to point B... unless you can source me otherwise i will remain sceptical... but i believe that they are the same thing, or if not two parts of the same process

[SolBeowulf19]

To be honest, I think it's rather arrogant to assume that we are the only, and most intelligent beings in the universe. There has to be something or someone else out there. I'm not going to go into the Great Wall of China or the Pyramids, however I am going to pose a question: "Why would we be the only intelligent beings in the universe?" And, for that matter, why would we be the only planet with life on it?

[Draffut]

Becuase the conditions for creating operational, reproducing life spontaniously out of natural elements is almost impossible.

Cause not only does the incredibly slim chance that it is created in the first chance. but then for it to be made with the ability to replicate itself is horribly low. WE have been able to do it in labs, but that is becuase we set everything up perfectly, and controled every factor as much as possible. and it is still, very, very, very difficult to accomplish.

[M-50]

I would like to see the gold nuclei creating mini black holes... because it sounds like theory rather than fact... (seriously speed of light is impossible for anything with a mass... and it only appears to us that time slows down when traveling really fast.) Anyways an mass would need infinit energy to travel at the speed of light so it makes sense that a colision would cause them to create a black hole... but its just not possible.
unless you show me otherwise ill have to disagree with you on this one..
And Draffut this is about the mini black hole we created over the Atlantic ocean for a billionth of a second.

Researchers at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York have created a very short-lived, very tiny black hole, or at least, a fireball that behaved quite a lot like one for a millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second.

The scientists at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) fired beams of gold nuclei into each other at relativistic speeds, creating a ball of plasma around 300m times hotter than the surface of the sun. According to Metro, a Daily Mail sister publication, some particles were then absorbed by the plasma in the same way that particles are absorbed by black holes.

While the research team at RHIC has described the work as groundbreaking, other scientists are unsure about that possible applications for the work. Ed Shuryak, a physicist at Stony Brook University, said that although the work was useful because "it will inspire thinking in that direction...it's going to be another thing to see if it bears any fruit."
Also the link is http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/17/black_holes_new_york/

Another article that is about the same thing is
A fireball created in a particle accelerator bears a striking similarity to a black hole. But do not panic: even if the controversial claim is true, it is not the sort of black hole that would cause Earth to disappear in a puff of radiation.

At the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York, US, beams of gold nuclei travelling at close to the speed of light are smashed into each other. The intense heat of the collision breaks down the nuclei into quarks and gluons, the most basic building blocks of all normal matter. These particles form a ball of plasma about 300 million times hotter than the surface of the sun (New Scientist print edition, 16 October 2004).

And the link is
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/quantum-world/dn7145-black-holelike-phenomena-created-by-collider.html :headbang:

[hamano_amon]

i convince that anyting had not been ascertained and certified has the possibility to exist/occur.why can't?we shouldn't be too positive about one thing,i think.

[Shinigami_Josh]

well the universe is infinite therefore there defintly is life out there the big thing is its so large will we see them in our life span (as a race)

[Vampyrelord]

well the universe is infinite therefore there defintly is life out there the big thing is its so large will we see them in our life span (as a race)

*Shakes head*, according to Stephen Hawking, the Universe is not infinite. There is a finite amount of matter and energy in the universe (since neither can be created or destroyed) but it is just getting more and more spread out. I'm afraid that's the limit of my understanding on this particular subject, however.

[Neve]

The universe is finite. However, space is infinite, and there are infinite other universes in space. Therefore, in theory, there is an infinite amount of space in universes =).

EDIT: so, yeah, vampyrelord was right, but that wasn't the whole picture

[Vampyrelord]

The universe is finite. However, space is infinite, and there are infinite other universes in space. Therefore, in theory, there is an infinite amount of space in universes =).

Yeah, I was saying something along those lines, but you're in a higher set for science than me so you probably know what you are talking about more than I do...

[FutureEmperor]

And Draffut this is about the mini black hole we created over the Atlantic ocean for a billionth of a second.
Researchers at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York have created a very short-lived, very tiny black hole, or at least, a fireball that behaved quite a lot like one for a millionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second.
The scientists at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) fired beams of gold nuclei into each other at relativistic speeds, creating a ball of plasma around 300m times hotter than the surface of the sun. According to Metro, a Daily Mail sister publication, some particles were then absorbed by the plasma in the same way that particles are absorbed by black holes.
While the research team at RHIC has described the work as groundbreaking, other scientists are unsure about that possible applications for the work. Ed Shuryak, a physicist at Stony Brook University, said that although the work was useful because "it will inspire thinking in that direction...it's going to be another thing to see if it bears any fruit."
Also the link is http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/17/black_holes_new_york/
Another article that is about the same thing is
A fireball created in a particle accelerator bears a striking similarity to a black hole. But do not panic: even if the controversial claim is true, it is not the sort of black hole that would cause Earth to disappear in a puff of radiation.
At the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) at Brookhaven National Laboratory in Upton, New York, US, beams of gold nuclei travelling at close to the speed of light are smashed into each other. The intense heat of the collision breaks down the nuclei into quarks and gluons, the most basic building blocks of all normal matter. These particles form a ball of plasma about 300 million times hotter than the surface of the sun (New Scientist print edition, 16 October 2004).
And the link is
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/quantum-world/dn7145-black-holelike-phenomena-created-by-collider.html :headbang:

Key words... near relativistic speeds.. (NOT THE SPEED OF LIGHT) heck it near relativistic speeds have been used to describe 1/2c
Another thing in the article is a ball of plasma that behaves like a small black hole... the media tends to make things much more interesting then they acctually are... whats really being said is that the ball of plasma was so energized that it turned mass into energy or that the ball of plasma was so dense that its gravity broke apart nearby atoms and turned them into basic particles... Anyways by the sound of it... its similar but not quite the same thing... and its really to early to really say anything definate (one test that last a few seconds, is not the basis of a hole thesis... until this test has been repeated by several scientist and observations compared can work on a thesis begin...)

Sounds interesting... but its not the Light speed gold particles of black hole death that was being talked about... Nice find though, a good read, and it will definately be appreciatted...

anyways

The universe is finite. However, space is infinite, and there are infinite other universes in space. Therefore, in theory, there is an infinite amount of space in universes =).

Thats exactly right. but the universe is so huge and we really can only see whats in our "bubble" (we can only see whats 13billion light years in any direction, and the universe should be bigger than that) that it is almost impossible to judge how much matter really is out there...

[M-50]

Thats exactly right. but the universe is so huge and we really can only see whats in our "bubble" (we can only see whats 13billion light years in any direction, and the universe should be bigger than that) that it is almost impossible to judge how much matter really is out there...
Thing is in 13 billion more light years we will be able to see light and therefore images from 26 million light years away. Our ''bubble'' gets bigger as time goes by. In 5 light years we will be able to see images from 5 light years away.:headbang:

[Neve]

You mean in 13 billion more years...right? Light years is a measure of distance...not time.

[M-50]

You mean in 13 billion more years...right? Light years is a measure of distance...not time.
No because in one year light travels 66225600000000000 metres. It would take one light year for the light to reach from there to here. For example if a supernopva happened 66225600300000000 metres away, it would take 1 year and 1 day to reach us. If you dont believe me work it out yourself. Light travels 300000000 metres in one second. So do 300000000 multiply 60 second multiply 60 minutes multiply 24 hours multiply 7 days multiply 365 to get how far light travels in one year. Then do it for one day and add them together. You will get what I got, 66225600300000000. :headbang:

[Neve]

But 66225600000000000 metres is the distance light travels in one year i.e. a light year is 66225600000000000 metres. The measure of time is in years, not light years. It doesn't take one light year for light to travel 66225600000000000 metres, it takes one year for light to travel that distance. While light years contains the word 'year', which makes it confusing because 'year' is usually a unit of time, in the context of 'light year' it is a measure of distance, while 'year' by itsself is the measure of time. Therefore 'light year' is the distance measure while 'year' is the time measure. 'Light year' does not refer to both distance and time.

[Vampyrelord]

I think rohil is right here...if there is a cosmic explosion 5 light years away, we will not see it until 5 years have passed since then.

[Neve]

yep, '5 years', but not '5 light years'. that was my point.

[Vampyrelord]

yep, '5 years', but not '5 light years'. that was my point.

Ah, I see, my deepest apologies.

[재]

off topic: hey james ciszuz i got that ichigo pic on your sig too.

no i don't believe there's an alien out tehre. but i believe there are other life forms on other planet such as plants on mars.

[Neve]

(there isn't any life on mars...we've taken satellite photos...)

The only possible planet there could be life on in our solar system is Europia, a moon of Jupiter, on which we have discovered running water.

[7D$]

I thought i read somewhere that there was water found on mars but i dont know for sure

[Vampyrelord]

I thought i read somewhere that there was water found on mars but i dont know for sure

They found ice on the poles and dried up riverbeds on other regions. No signs of life.

[Reinsai]

But im sure if they find life, religion is gonna be like WTF GTFO Nasa lol

[Ichigo1234]

There is no proof that aliens are real but I pretty much believe in them since they are cool

[Neve]

I just can't really see how there wouldn't be aliens, considering that there are an infinite number of other planets.

[s3r3n1ty]

The existance of aliens is plausible. The Universe is so big and if we exist then why cant others. Another thing is that many associate aliens with "intelligent life forms" flying around in space craft. There is a possiblity we are by far the most intelligent. :)

[Vampyrelord]

The existance of aliens is plausible. The Universe is so big and if we exist then why cant others. Another thing is that many associate aliens with "intelligent life forms" flying around in space craft. There is a possiblity we are by far the most intelligent. :)

We humans are the culmination of several billion years of evolution. You have to wonder what sort of creatures aliens would be...

[Neve]

Well...when there are infinite numbers of other planets out there the possibility that we are the most intelligent is non-existent.

[s3r3n1ty]

Why? Someone has to be the most intelligent.

[Neve]

How is it possible for someone to be the most intelligent, if the number of other planets is infinite?

[s3r3n1ty]

Im sorry, I dont understand your logic. Youre saying theres no degrees of intelligence. If there are aliens, they could be more or less intelligent than us right? So there is already a degree of comparison!

Anyway, I was just saying that ppl always imagine aliens as superior to humans. Im saying that might not be so.

[Draffut]

There isn't an infinite number of planets out there. only X amount of matter can exist, and it cannot be created. That is a principle rule of physics.

The number of planets out there may be massive, but there is only a certain number of them.

[blackmary]

yes! it's real!http://usera.imagecave.com/blackmary/1145372149317-copy.jpg
real as it can be! the space is such a very big space to waste!

and i would really like to meet one! and go out on a date!

now that you know, start clickin my banner!

[captain krunch]

i believe that there has to be more life forms out there. every star u look at in the sky is part of a solar system. for the most part, they all have planets surrouning them. if we use our system as an example, every one of the million, possibly billion of stars above us has anywhere between 7-11 planets. that means there are anywhere from 10^8 to 10^12 planets out there.
the planets that we label unsuitable for life are said to be unsuitable by the criteria of life on this planet. who says it has to suit OUR form of carbon life? maybe the life evolved in a different manner, using sulfer, nitrogen, or other compounds that we dont even have on earth? the possibilities are endless.
with so many different scenarios that could potentially produce life, and so many planets out there, it would almost impossible for other life to NOT exist.

[Draffut]

Becuase to have spontaneuos generation. (create the first life form) you have to have an atmosphere, natural elements, and enviorments like those on earth.

It is almost impossible to "create" life from nothing out of just pure elements. An d to do it there are many, many, things you need. I isn;t so much that these life forms need a habitat like earth to live on, it's that you need it to be created on.

[M-50]

But 66225600000000000 metres is the distance light travels in one year i.e. a light year is 66225600000000000 metres. The measure of time is in years, not light years. It doesn't take one light year for light to travel 66225600000000000 metres, it takes one year for light to travel that distance. While light years contains the word 'year', which makes it confusing because 'year' is usually a unit of time, in the context of 'light year' it is a measure of distance, while 'year' by itsself is the measure of time. Therefore 'light year' is the distance measure while 'year' is the time measure. 'Light year' does not refer to both distance and time.
Yes but 1 light year is the distance light travels in one year. So we are both right in a way. :headbang:

[M-50]

How is it possible for someone to be the most intelligent, if the number of other planets is infinite?
One race of aliens can be the most intelligent. For example if you look at Stargate SG1, the Ancients are the most technologically advanced that we humans have found. In the Atlantis series they found another race that is more advanced than them. It all depends on when the actuall race evolved. If for example life on mars 5 million years before us, their technology would be 5 million years ahead of us. That would make them more intelligent than us. Do you see what we mean by having one race as the most intelligent? Plus the amount of planets is not infinite. :headbang:

[Cinephilaki]

Well I'm not sure, but I really hope so! It's pretty sad to be alone in the whole universe...

[Munky]

I'd say yes.
Aliens do exist, but I dont mean those Independence Day types. If you see a small worm crawling on the face of jupiter or pluto that will count as alien life. Many people say that earth is the only planet that can support life ... and to whose point of view? - OURS, HUMANS. We should erase the fact that elements found on earth are the only elements that can contain life. Humans need oxygen to breathe, what if some alien dude out there needs carbon dioxide or methane gas .etc to survive..

[Neve]

Plus the amount of planets is not infinite.
Well...actually you're wrong about that...I know its a difficult concept to get your mind around, but if you consider that the number of planets is infinite, how can it be possible that a single one started before the others? There will always be a planet more evolved than yours because of the fact that there is a never ending supply of them.

[Vampyrelord]

Well...actually you're wrong about that...I know its a difficult concept to get your mind around, but if you consider that the number of planets is infinite, how can it be possible that a single one started before the others? There will always be a planet more evolved than yours because of the fact that there is a never ending supply of them.

*Shakes head* There's a fixed amount of matter in the universe, we've already been through this, the universe is getting bigger but the stuff is just getting spread out, matter is not being created, such a thing is impossible.

[M-50]

Well...actually you're wrong about that...I know its a difficult concept to get your mind around, but if you consider that the number of planets is infinite, how can it be possible that a single one started before the others? There will always be a planet more evolved than yours because of the fact that there is a never ending supply of them.
VampyreLord is right Itsovernow.
Take a baloon draw some circles on it. Blow it up. What happens? The circles get farther away from each other don't they? More circles don't miraculously appear do they? That is exactly what is happening to the universe right now at this very minute. :headbang:

[Neve]

Yep, but there are an infinite number of universes in space. Result? An infinite number of those balloons you're so proud of XD.

[s3r3n1ty]

OK, i see now. That is if there are other universes. It is unconfirmed.

[M-50]

Yep, but there are an infinite number of universes in space. Result? An infinite number of those balloons you're so proud of XD.
No there is only our one universe. Even if there were an infinite number of universes there still would be a finite amount of planets that could support life. This is because after a certain amount of universes none of the rest could have life supporting planets or it could only contain stars and that is it. :headbang:

[Neve]

Well, to be honest, if you have that view that is your business, but I'm not sure why 'only a certain number of universes could have planets'. So you believe that before the 'big bang' there was simply nothing, going on for ever. That the singularity that created our universe was the only singularity, ever? (if you don't know what a singularity is, google it, I can't be bothered to explain XD)

[s3r3n1ty]

Well theoretically, different universes might or might not obey our laws of physics. Hence the universe might to be as we expect.

*sigh* ive been making errors in my above posts. I really need to go and look into this.

[Neve]

But reguardless of the laws of physics, the concept should remain the same - that with an infinite number of planets it is impossible for one to be the most advanced.

[Vampyrelord]

But reguardless of the laws of physics, the concept should remain the same - that with an infinite number of planets it is impossible for one to be the most advanced.

There can only be one universe, that's what the word 'universe" means...and of course there is a finite amount of matter and planets, don't be silly...

[M-50]

But reguardless of the laws of physics, the concept should remain the same - that with an infinite number of planets it is impossible for one to be the most advanced.
It is not!! Even if we accept that there are multiple universes look take the ballon thing. If you blow up one before the other that one is the oldest. If you put that into relative terms, the races that evolved in that universe are the most technologically advanced as their technology would have been created before anyone elses. Understand it? If not I can draw a diagram for you about it.:headbang:

[Neve]

It is not!! Even if we accept that there are multiple universes look take the ballon thing. If you blow up one before the other that one is the oldest. If you put that into relative terms, the races that evolved in that universe are the most technologically advanced as their technology would have been created before anyone elses. Understand it? If not I can draw a diagram for you about it.
But it isn't possible for one to be the oldest if there is an infinite number!! There will always, always be one that is older than yours. And that smiley is beginning to irritate me =).
There can only be one universe, that's what the word 'universe" means...and of course there is a finite amount of matter and planets, don't be silly...
Be silly? Then what do you believe is outside this universe? And what do you believe is outside that? What do you believe there was before the universe was here? You believe that there only ever was one singularity, which expanded to create a universe?

To be honest, this isn't really a debate - its impossible to prove anything seeing as how we all have our own beliefs - this is my belief and what you are listing are your beliefs, and seeing as how they are all valid scientific theories nobody is ever gonna prove anyone else wrong =).

[s3r3n1ty]

But reguardless of the laws of physics, the concept should remain the same - that with an infinite number of planets it is impossible for one to be the most advanced.


I understand what you mean-but in another hypothetical universe anything could be possible if you change the rules that govern it. We just cant perceive it.

[Neve]

But why would that change their advancement? Surely, with an infinite number of universes, there would be those with laws of physics such that evolution was allowed.

[s3r3n1ty]

hmmm...true but the opposite could also be true. It is a possiblity that there a universe that just like ours-but maybe also a universe thats way beyond human perception

[captain krunch]

But reguardless of the laws of physics, the concept should remain the same - that with an infinite number of planets it is impossible for one to be the most advanced.

lets say there are an infinate number of planets. that is not what is at debate. even if there are an infinate number of planets, there would be a finite number of planets that are capable of sustaining life. and of these finite life sustaining planets, even if all life started at the same time, they wouldnt evolve at the same rate because of different environments and needs. so there would be life out there that would be more advanced than others based upon the trials and tribulations that they were put through

[M-50]

lets say there are an infinate number of planets. that is not what is at debate. even if there are an infinate number of planets, there would be a finite number of planets that are capable of sustaining life. and of these finite life sustaining planets, even if all life started at the same time, they wouldnt evolve at the same rate because of different environments and needs. so there would be life out there that would be more advanced than others based upon the trials and tribulations that they were put through
And the life evolved on some of the planets might not even be what we call technologically advanced, it might be that in one rats are the most advanced form of life, on another it might be gorillas and on another it might be dogs. Plus what we call as a form of life, might not even exist on other planets, they might be weird three legged, four eyed slugs that can speak but are as technologically advanced as our cavemen.

[dragoneyes001]

the other thing is global events that affect life on the planets.

on ours we had a huge one that altered life here from the dinosaurs to mammals. and before that ice ages that made other changes along the way.

so even if other planets create life what the planets suffer/experience will have huge influence on what is currently alive on those planets.

[captain krunch]

i believe that wat ur saying is not only a possibility, but most likely truth. but im saying the other end of the spectrum-that there are more advanced species- is plausable as well.

[7D$]

I am a scientist freak if they proven it with some reall ass facts and prooves then i will believe that there is life out there but so far only fairy tales and a bunch of fake grainrings :P

[M-50]

the other thing is global events that affect life on the planets.
on ours we had a huge one that altered life here from the dinosaurs to mammals. and before that ice ages that made other changes along the way.
so even if other planets create life what the planets suffer/experience will have huge influence on what is currently alive on those planets.
The atmosphere changed from Methane, Carbon Dioxide and Ammonia to Oxygen and then finally because there was an abundance of Oxygen it created the Ozone layer, O3. This then allowed more complex organisms like multiple celled organisms that could breathe Oxygen, or in other words reptilians and mamals and the rest of the animal kingdom. But remember if the dinosaurs had not become extinct, we mammals would not have evolved. :headbang:

[Bleeding_the_soul]

yeh there must be other out there. if the universe spans infinatly and there is a one in a milion chance of life being created then how many one in a milion chances do u get in infinaty

[M-50]

Plus there is a formulae to work out the amount of intelligent life. I will get it for all of you tomorrow.

[beware_the_strawberry18]

Well certainly there is alien life out there! Let us not pretend to know what is deemed as unexplained phenomenon, but accept that which we cannot explain. Hauntings, phantasms...why not alien life? There is so much evidence. We need only look to the skies...or watch X-files ;P j/k

[Vampyrelord]

The atmosphere changed from Methane, Carbon Dioxide and Ammonia to Oxygen and then finally because there was an abundance of Oxygen it created the Ozone layer, O3. This then allowed more complex organisms like multiple celled organisms that could breathe Oxygen, or in other words reptilians and mamals and the rest of the animal kingdom. But remember if the dinosaurs had not become extinct, we mammals would not have evolved. :headbang:

Not necessarily.

[M-50]

Not necessarily.
It really did. It was proven by scientists.:headbang:
P.S. It might not be that exactly.

[7D$]

Well certainly there is alien life out there! Let us not pretend to know what is deemed as unexplained phenomenon, but accept that which we cannot explain. Hauntings, phantasms...why not alien life? There is so much evidence. We need only look to the skies...or watch X-files ;P j/k

Dude there is no proove of Aliens existince whatsoever so "we"(humans) are thinking MAYBE there are some aliens out there BUT we cannot confirm they exist YET

so its better to say they arent discoverd yet ;)

[Draffut]

It really did. It was proven by scientists.:headbang:
P.S. It might not be that exactly.

What Vampyre is saying is, we may not have evolved at that time had dinosaurs not died off. But after thousands more years, other circumstances may have come about instead to allow our evolution.

[7D$]

But if the dinosuars where still alive then where werent the sam lvl as we are now ;)

[Draffut]

That didn't make a spec of sense. please rephrase it.

[7D$]

I ment If dinosaurs where still alive (lived trough the ice age) then the humans arent at the same lvl of evolveing

Sorry but i am not english so if anyone doesnt know what i say just ask me to rephrase it and I will try it :D

[M-50]

What Vampyre is saying is, we may not have evolved at that time had dinosaurs not died off. But after thousands more years, other circumstances may have come about instead to allow our evolution.
I didn't mean that we humans evolved sraight after dinosaurs dies off I actually meant we would not have evolved if the dinosaurs had not died out. If they were still alive then we would be the hunted, not the hunters. Also we definetley would not have evolved to the level we are in terms of technology. :headbang:

[7D$]

Maybe some scientist should be on a space ship and begin to travel and then Make baby's on the spaceship and the baby's should learn everything about space and shit then contineu that so humantiy knows more and comes further in space then ever

just a idea :P

[M-50]

Maybe some scientist should be on a space ship and begin to travel and then Make baby's on the spaceship and the baby's should learn everything about space and shit then contineu that so humantiy knows more and comes further in space then ever
just a idea :P
First that would be incest, second they would be born with loads of diseases because of blood mixing, third it is just plain nasty.
That could be rectified if on the way we find other humans, or by haveing spaceships travel at half the speed of light, or by sending about a million women with a couple of thousand men along to make the babies and learn about science and then after they know everything, they are put into cryogenic chambers so when one of them has dies another can be revived from there to carry on.:headbang:

[7D$]

I didnt mean family doeing it with eachother just a couple of men like 3 and like 6 women :D and then try to make it as far as possible lol

[grebba]

yes definately there is alien life out there. I beleive we live in a universe of many universes, other universes are made up of alien planets and they all have interplanet wars.......yes thats right

[dragoneyes001]

I didnt mean family doeing it with eachother just a couple of men like 3 and like 6 women :D and then try to make it as far as possible lol

you wouldn't need men for the first part of the journey only women with cryogenic sperm to increase the total quantity of genetic variety the greater the variety you can pack onto the ship will increase the potential length of the trip possible to be made.

first criteria is all fertile women several would need medical knowledge for insemination once the trip is underway.

there would need to be a very specific database kept of which genetic lines are created so that inter family breeding down the line is avoided so the problems of blue blood deseases dont crop up.

insemination would need to be timed so the women are not going to live for another 50 years since on a space ship resources are finite probably in the mid to late 30's at earliest still within the best range for pregnancy but at the upper edge of.

the ship would need to be huge for place to grow food and process waste and to be able to accommodate a growing population so there would need to be entire sections full of materials to actually increase the ships size while traveling.

one of the worst problems to overcome is muscle changes do to long term exposure to reduced gravity and this would be compounded by every generation on the ship even with artificial gravity the density of muscles & bones would be reduced by the lack of pressure on them as a constant.

[Bleeding_the_soul]

i wanted to say u seemed to go that if the dinosaurs never died out then inteligent life would not come about BUT what if inteligent reptilian life were able to evolve. P.S. sorry about the crapy spelling

[dragoneyes001]

i wanted to say u seemed to go that if the dinosaurs never died out then inteligent life would not come about BUT what if inteligent reptilian life were able to evolve. P.S. sorry about the crapy spelling

if the dinosaurs had not become extinct there seems to be evidence that mammals would have developed as another group among them now the question of intelligence among the dinosaurs? its been researched and some factors were brought up about if they could or not become intelligent just can't remember which way they had determined was possible.

it would be nice to look up see if I can find the study something tells me it said they had limiting factors on just how advanced they were capable of getting to based on their physiology but as i said it could have been the opposit just can't remember enough of it.

[7D$]

you wouldn't need men for the first part of the journey only women with cryogenic sperm to increase the total quantity of genetic variety the greater the variety you can pack onto the ship will increase the potential length of the trip possible to be made.
first criteria is all fertile women several would need medical knowledge for insemination once the trip is underway.
there would need to be a very specific database kept of which genetic lines are created so that inter family breeding down the line is avoided so the problems of blue blood deseases dont crop up.
insemination would need to be timed so the women are not going to live for another 50 years since on a space ship resources are finite probably in the mid to late 30's at earliest still within the best range for pregnancy but at the upper edge of.
the ship would need to be huge for place to grow food and process waste and to be able to accommodate a growing population so there would need to be entire sections full of materials to actually increase the ships size while traveling.
one of the worst problems to overcome is muscle changes do to long term exposure to reduced gravity and this would be compounded by every generation on the ship even with artificial gravity the density of muscles & bones would be reduced by the lack of pressure on them as a constant.

Do you think its possible I didnt meant Theorethically but practicly

because you mentioned all that above then it sounds a bit impossible to me

[M-50]

insemination would need to be timed so the women are not going to live for another 50 years since on a space ship resources are finite probably in the mid to late 30's at earliest still within the best range for pregnancy but at the upper edge of.
the ship would need to be huge for place to grow food and process waste and to be able to accommodate a growing population so there would need to be entire sections full of materials to actually increase the ships size while traveling.
one of the worst problems to overcome is muscle changes do to long term exposure to reduced gravity and this would be compounded by every generation on the ship even with artificial gravity the density of muscles & bones would be reduced by the lack of pressure on them as a constant.
When you say timed, do you mean when they are most fertile, or at the time of their age, like 23 for example?
Why would we need to process waste, we could just dump it out of the ship while we are flying. Unless you are talking about recycleable stuff like paper, plastic, then we would need a recycling plant and a plant to turn that stuff into reusable stuff.
For sections full of materials do you mean like grain and food? Because if there are for those, where are we going to store water? If we have a 'space' for that then the weight would increase because of the extra protection needed to prevent it from spilling.
The worst problem is the one most easily solved. A GYM! That is what all we neeed. How do you think the astronauts nowadays get back in full health? before they arrive, they have a workout session planned and they follow that, so like you said, when they come back from no gravity they will be 'normal' again. :headbang:

Do you think its possible I didnt meant Theorethically but practicly
because you mentioned all that above then it sounds a bit impossible to me
It is actually possible right now. It is called artifical insemination. They use it for animals, they take a prize bull and prize cow, take the sperm and eggs, freeze them and then when they need a 'new' baby, they unfreeze them and put them together.:headbang:

[Shockweed]

Now when we discuss planets that are suitable life are we basing that on human standards? Because really whos to say that there can't be some form of life on a planet made of gases? Just because a human can't live somewhere doesn't mean that nothing can live there.

[dragoneyes001]

When you say timed, do you mean when they are most fertile, or at the time of their age, like 23 for example?
Why would we need to process waste, we could just dump it out of the ship while we are flying. Unless you are talking about recycleable stuff like paper, plastic, then we would need a recycling plant and a plant to turn that stuff into reusable stuff.
For sections full of materials do you mean like grain and food? Because if there are for those, where are we going to store water? If we have a 'space' for that then the weight would increase because of the extra protection needed to prevent it from spilling.
The worst problem is the one most easily solved. A GYM! That is what all we neeed. How do you think the astronauts nowadays get back in full health? before they arrive, they have a workout session planned and they follow that, so like you said, when they come back from no gravity they will be 'normal' again. :headbang:
It is actually possible right now. It is called artifical insemination. They use it for animals, they take a prize bull and prize cow, take the sperm and eggs, freeze them and then when they need a 'new' baby, they unfreeze them and put them together.:headbang:

1) timed means later over sooner so the mothers dont live as long during the lives of the children reducing food consumption overlap of generations so its by age.

2) waste means all waste human and other since like you mention later water is a problem only recycling ALL water will work.

3) materials means metal plates parts for new sections of ship to be added during flight water would have to be maxed out so every single drop that can be hoisted into the ship be there. as well grains and other plant starters would also need some storage but not in huge amounts they would need to be packed in a number of separate containers simply to avoid mass contamination if something happened in flight.

4) the effects of prolonged space flight are well documented a GYM will help alleviate some effects but others it has no effect on mostly on bones and here we're talking about generations of space exposure where the mothers will suffer from decreased bone mass as well as decreased muscle mass (the tissue will be less dense not less muscle).

5) yes pre inseminated eggs would work but you still need the women to carry to term.

for this to work it'd probably need to be a space sail type of ship so the ship could be absolutely huge to begin with the speed a space sail can attain is reasonably good for traveling long term and this is a multiple generation trip maybe 10-15 generations so realistically about a two hundred and fifty year to about a three hundred and seventy five year trip. not exactly going to any truly far place really.

if someone feels like looking up space sail technology for the top speed we could figure out about max distance.

[M-50]

1) timed means later over sooner so the mothers dont live as long during the lives of the children reducing food consumption overlap of generations so its by age.
2) waste means all waste human and other since like you mention later water is a problem only recycling ALL water will work.
3) materials means metal plates parts for new sections of ship to be added during flight water would have to be maxed out so every single drop that can be hoisted into the ship be there. as well grains and other plant starters would also need some storage but not in huge amounts they would need to be packed in a number of separate containers simply to avoid mass contamination if something happened in flight.
4) the effects of prolonged space flight are well documented a GYM will help alleviate some effects but others it has no effect on mostly on bones and here we're talking about generations of space exposure where the mothers will suffer from decreased bone mass as well as decreased muscle mass (the tissue will be less dense not less muscle).
5) yes pre inseminated eggs would work but you still need the women to carry to term.
for this to work it'd probably need to be a space sail type of ship so the ship could be absolutely huge to begin with the speed a space sail can attain is reasonably good for traveling long term and this is a multiple generation trip maybe 10-15 generations so realistically about a two hundred and fifty year to about a three hundred and seventy five year trip. not exactly going to any truly far place really.
if someone feels like looking up space sail technology for the top speed we could figure out about max distance.
At our current technology speeds it will take something like either 196000 thousabd years or 400000 years to gt to our nearest star, Proxima Centuri. If it is three generations of people (when they are all 30 when they give birth to the child) in 90 years, and lets say that it will take 196000 years to get there, 2178 generations will be needed until we reach.
Click here (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2000/lasersail.html) for info on sail technology. It is from NASA, but it does not say the speed.
Another site says that it is around a tenth the speed of light in just three and a half seconds from a standing start!, which means that it will take 30-40 years to reach Proxima Centuri, drastically reducing the time and generations needed. From 2178 to the one that sets of. To go there click here (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/sailbeam_020211-1.html) :headbang:

[dragoneyes001]

At our current technology speeds it will take something like either 196000 thousabd years or 400000 years to gt to our nearest star, Proxima Centuri. If it is three generations of people (when they are all 30 when they give birth to the child) in 90 years, and lets say that it will take 196000 years to get there, 2178 generations will be needed until we reach.
Click here (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2000/lasersail.html) for info on sail technology. It is from NASA, but it does not say the speed.
Another site says that it is around a tenth the speed of light in just three and a half seconds from a standing start!, which means that it will take 30-40 years to reach Proxima Centuri, drastically reducing the time and generations needed. From 2178 to the one that sets of. To go there click here (http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/sailbeam_020211-1.html) :headbang:

yup the best info I can find is also 1/10th light speed with boosting

Solar sail technology will eventually play a key role in long-distance NASA missions. But just how far will these solar sails be able to take us and how fast will they get us there?
As we found out in the last section, solar sails would not initially be driven by the amount of force that is used to launch the space shuttle. NASA believes that the exploration of space is similar to the tale of the "Tortoise and the Hare," with rocket-propelled spacecraft being the hare. In this race, the rocket-propelled spacecraft will quickly jump out, moving quickly toward its destination. On the other hand, a rocketless spacecraft powered by a solar sail would begin its journey at a slow but steady pace, gradually picking up speed as the sun continues to exert force upon it. Sooner or later, no matter how fast it goes, the rocket ship will run out of power. In contrast, the solar sail craft has an endless supply of power from the sun. Additionally, the solar sail could potentially return to Earth, whereas the rocket powered vehicle would not have any propellant to bring it back.

As it continues to be pushed by sunlight, the solar sail-propelled vehicle will build up speeds that rocket powered vehicles would never be able to achieve. Such a vehicle would eventually travel at about 56 mi/sec (90 km/sec), which would be more than 200,000 mph (324,000 kph). That speed is about 10 times faster than the space shuttle's orbital speed of 5 mi/sec (8 km/sec). To give you an idea how fast that is, you could travel from New York to Los Angeles in less than a minute with a solar sail vehicle traveling at top speed.

If NASA were to launch an interstellar probe powered by solar sails, it would take only eight years for it to catch the Voyager 1 spacecraft (the most distant spacecraft from Earth), which has been traveling for more than 20 years. By adding a laser or magnetic beam transmitter, NASA said it could push speeds to 18,600 mi/sec (30,000 km/sec), which is one-tenth the speed of light. At those speeds, interstellar travel would be an almost certainty.


there are 100 stars within 21.99 light years of earth or about 219.9 years of travel at the top speed of solar sails.

so we do have a variety of places to check out with a ship like we described only problem is are any of those 100 stars worth the trip to? now we need to know if there are planets there and if so could they be adapted to sustaining life by one or more ships that arrive there since we could always send a flotilla of ships with minimal crews and only one arc type ship.

[Shinigami_Josh]

there are ways of determinging if a star has planets that can/could/do sustain life

[dragoneyes001]

there are ways of determinging if a star has planets that can/could/do sustain life

except if my memory serves. none of the close stars showed any or more accurately the big hoopla about finding planets first was around a star thousands of light years away.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

well, since we do not know the edge of the universe, therefore we do not know the number of galaxies in the universe, let's say that are 1000 galaxies out there ( this is, of course, a very small number ), and the possibility of a galaxy to have life forms ( not intelligent, only mere life ) is 1:100, then there are at least 10 new galaxies with life, so it is a possibility, yet I am quite neutral about it.

[7D$]

hehehe thats sounds weird and i dont think you can say it like that lol

i think the whole thing arround us is like this (lets say this our planet . a dot oke?) . <-earth...
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