Who was Urahara's vice captain?

[Polygon]

Sorry If this has been disscused before, I searched and couldn't find anything.

Whom do you guys think was Urahara's vice-captain? I think it was most likly Tessai ( or whatever his name is ). He seems so know a lot about demon arts. The very fact that he is working under Urahara probaley means he has some close connections with him. So what do you guys think?

[Sandal Hat]

Urahara's vice captain would without a doubt be Mayuri

[Polygon]

Urahara's vice captain would without a doubt be Mayuri


Yes , I thought of that possibility as well. But that doesn't mean that he was. There is a good chance that he is. Though I would also like to know how Tessai knows him so well.

[JamesThePhox]

Possibly someone he also knew in Soul Society (I'm talking about Tessai), possibly a friend in SS... or many a human who was able to use spiritual energy, but doubtful, since he knows all those Destruction spells.

Urahara > Mayuri. Mayuri is just..... yech.... poor Nemu.... T-T

Mayuri reminds me of those kids playing those video games: "Bah, I'll just kill this on e and make a new one" or "It's not fighting right." No doubt Mayuri had a hand in the making of Mod Souls. It had his personality written all over it.

[Sandal Hat]

I think tessai just works there or is related to those kids because tessai doesn't help fight the Allankars(beings that were originally hollows but then took off there mask and gained death god powers) while Urahara and Yoruichi are risking there lives

[Jinchuu]

There is a probability of Mayuri being the previous vice-captain, but still need proof for it, yet IMO Mayuri was the previous vice-captain because he is the current leader of the research institution as well so he has scientific background as well.

[kurosaki_neji]

Mayuri was probably his liutenant(spelled it right?)
Tessai could've been a ryoka or a human toaught by urahara and yoruichi

[General Cox]

yeah i think that is probably right, i think the research division is too specialised for some new captain to come in and take over it without knowing it inside out like its vice captain would

[justx645]

Tessai used a HIGH leveled spell, Binding no. 99, without saying the incantation. Just as it says in the latest episode, only those who are ridiculously powerful can do that. Kuchiki-taicho does a no. 30-something spell without saying the incantation, and Renji freaks out about it. So Tessai using a no.99 spell without the incantation is a BIG deal in my opinion. Perhaps Tessai wasn't just a lieutenant, maybe he used to be a captain. Either that or he's one ridiculously powerful human.

[GaryDAI]

Tessai used the incantation, if I remember correctly. It's still impressive that he can cast a level 99 spell though.

I wonder where he learned it.

[ultimate]

i think when tessai used the level 99 binding spell, he actually said the incantation... thats how i remembered it... he could be someone like ganju, some dude with high level spiritual power and not a shinigami and then followed urahara to earth, though i kinda doubt it but it will still explain how he can use such a high level demon arts... btw mayuri being urahara's vice captain is weird cos mayuri seems so evil and urahara doesnt... but most likely he was, since like general cox, u gotta know the division inside out

[flam3z]

Mm .. for some reasons , I dun think it's a L.99 spell , but merely the 99th way of binding .

It isn't normal for a mere human to be able to cast spells above L.90 . Unless , of course , Tessai was a former bigshot or something , but again , he can't be that powerful ..

U c , Aizen is an extremely powerful captain n yet , he wasn't able 2 master a L.90 spell completely . When he casted one on Komamura , although powerful as it is , it's not even a quarter of it's full potential . Now , 2 say that Tessai is able 2 cast a L.99 spell would be the same as saying that he is on par , if not , stronger than Aizen , which I dun think is possible at all .

[Jinchuu]

Mm .. for some reasons , I dun think it's a L.99 spell , but merely the 99th way of binding .

I am thinking the same thing as well. Probably there are more than 1 ways to bind, the one that Rukia casted on Ichigo was 1 so that means there are more.

[sinkinswimmer]

i think there's a distinction that is actually made between binding spells and attack spells. uh.... spoilers follow.

when aizen uses the kurohitsugi spell, it's called a hadou. tessai's way of binding no. 99 (type 2) is called a bakudou. but either way... a lvl 99 spell is nothing to laugh at. urahara binds rukia in the menos episode with just a snap. no incantation, nothing.

[ultimate]

even if its not a "level 99" binding spell, and is a "way of binding no.99", its still gotta be pretty strong if tessai knows the 99th way of binding so it still means he gotta be a person with a high spiritual power, like i said earlier, he probably is someone like ganju who isnt a shinigami but skilled with demon arts

[flam3z]

i think there's a distinction that is actually made between binding spells and attack spells. uh.... spoilers follow.

when aizen uses the kurohitsugi spell, it's called a hadou. tessai's way of binding no. 99 (type 2) is called a bakudou. but either way... a lvl 99 spell is nothing to laugh at. urahara binds rukia in the menos episode with just a snap. no incantation, nothing.

Now that u brought that up , yeah , spells r mainly divided into 2 - Attack spells n binding spells .

I actually had it thought out in this manner : There's more than one ways in binding spells , n wut Tessai casted is merely the 99th way of doing it , not L.99 . It's like .. u usually eat with a fork n spoon . Another way is 2 use a chopstick or get someone 2 feed u . Yeah , it's a weird metaphor , but I guess it illustrates my point .

Either way , I think that reinforces my point . I mean , it couldn't be a L.99 spell, can it ? Whether it is an offensive spell or binding spell , a L.99 spell is nothing 2 laugh at , juz like u said , n there's no way Tessai could be on the same league as Aizen .

I'm not picking a fight here though =) .

Edit : N yeah , perhaps the spiritual power required 2 do binding spells is equal , no matter which number it is ( Say .. Way of binding no.10 is different from no.99 , but the amount of spiritual power required is basically more or less the same . ) Juz came accross my mind , n since I can't double post, I edited it .

[Polygon]

The spell he used to bind Ichico's arms, was the way of binding no. 9. I just re-watched that ep. Tessai didn't say any incantation to use this spell, this shows that he is pretty powerful. Also this might say that he is/was a shinigami. Since it would basiclly be just about impossibe for a human to learn the demon arts because of the rules.

[sinkinswimmer]

Now that u brought that up , yeah , spells r mainly divided into 2 - Attack spells n binding spells .

I actually had it thought out in this manner : There's more than one ways in binding spells , n wut Tessai casted is merely the 99th way of doing it , not L.99 . It's like .. u usually eat with a fork n spoon . Another way is 2 use a chopstick or get someone 2 feed u . Yeah , it's a weird metaphor , but I guess it illustrates my point .

Either way , I think that reinforces my point . I mean , it couldn't be a L.99 spell, can it ? Whether it is an offensive spell or binding spell , a L.99 spell is nothing 2 laugh at , juz like u said , n there's no way Tessai could be on the same league as Aizen .

I'm not picking a fight here though =) .


Hehe. Not quite though. Tessai says bakudou 99. Just like in 52 where Byakuya says bakudou 61. I really don't think it's split into different ways of doing it. Cause the one Tessai performs is "bakudou 99 type 2". So obviously there is another way of performing them. Performing a variation on a variation of binding spells doesn't make very much sense, you know? Why not just call it by a different number, like bakudou 100? So... that's why I think it's a lvl 99 binding spell, and just the 99th different way of doing.

EDIT: Spoilers follow.... again.

Just like when Aizen casts Kurohistugi he says "hadou 90". So ... if his is a lvl 90 spell, and it's cast in the same method, why wouldn't Tessai's be? Just a thought. I don't want to derail this thread about how much Tessai pwns though. Also, Tessai does work with Urahara at the shoten, so I'm sure he's familiar with Urahara's experiments. I'd like to think it was him as opposed to that freak Mayuri.

[flam3z]

[QUOTE=sinkinswimmer] Performing a variation on a variation of binding spells doesn't make very much sense, you know? Why not just call it by a different number, like bakudou 100?

U'll nv know . 2 put it blantantly , shinigamis r weirdos n e way . In any case , i think we have our own point of view . Let's c wut happens in the anime , k =) ?

[Constantine]

If Mayui is able to create faux bodies etc (ie his vice captain) why not his predecessor be able to do it?

[NetBelleAnie]

I'm thinking that Tessai ain't the typical human. If Urahara could build a device that is able to transform soul types and is indestructable, who says he can'tbuild super spiritpowered users, like Tessai? Look at Ururu and Jinta, they are from the "normal world" but we don't know where they came from, why the can see/feel/attack hollows and shinigami.

On topic, I think Mayuri and Urahara have a deeper relationship than we've seen sofar, so he probably was a vicecaptain or highseated officer.

[geyut]

I'm going to say Mayuri...
In one of the earlier bleaches, about 30 or so, the ending song's animations had a little video type thing showing a captian and the lieutenant. The one with Mayuri and Nemu also showed Urahara, in captain's robes.
I would get a shot of it, but I'm not sure how...have any idea?

[Constantine]

Or maybe the 3 are mod souls?

[NykylaiHellray]

That is the most likely theroy that Uharah created the 3 as helpers.

I would not be surprised if uraharah even encoraged mayuri to be so damn insane

[summerslam]

urahara = captain, tessai = vice captain as his binding techniques are so strong. ururu = 3rd seated of squad 12 coz... HER MACHINE GUN or w/e... it can destroy a huge amount of hollows at a time.. i think that might even pwn lieutenants who dont know how to do flash steps.. Jinta may be a misc of squad 12.
In episode 17 or 18, urahara said that ururu had anti-death god level fighting ability :o

[Vampircia]

Sorry if you find this thread stupid, but wonder who was Urahara's vice captain. I doubt it would be ever revealed in manga, but I think it could be Mayuri. If he became a captain after Kisuke's exile it's quite possible. And what if he wanted a captain position so badly that he betrayed Urahara? OK, now my ideas are getting a bit far-fetched:eek13:

[Fidchell]

people seem to think that his shopkeep Tessai may have been his vice. Especially since he was able to drop a level 99 spell, but you never know..

[Icchy <3]

Lol I agree with you Vamp, I think it was Mayuri.. But we will have to find out in time :)

[Cassie]

I also think that Mayuri was Urahara's VC. It's hard to just get a captain out of nowhere, especially with the 12th division, where it's focused on research and development. Mayuri is an obvious choice, for there's a very high chance that he was in the Research and Development Bureau during Urahara's time and judging by his abilities, it doesn't look like there's anyone else who could've been Urahara's VC.

As for Tessai, I happen to realize that he regard to Urahara as Tencho (owner) and not Taicho (captain). It makes me wonder if Tessai knows Urahara as the previous 12th division captain or as the shop owner alone.

[Sandal Hat]

I think his vice captain was Mayuri and Tessai is a mod soul :)

Edit: Instead of closing this one I merged it with the original one ^^

[Icchy <3]

The link doesn't work for me :(

[Vampircia]

If Mayuri was Kisuke's vice I wonder what relations between them could be. I think Kisuke didn't trust him in 100%, but tolerated him as a vice, because Mayuri was the most talented scientist (apart from Kisuke of course).

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

personally I have a hard time beleiving the UraharaXMayuri idea. I mean I may be the only one who thinks this but I doubt they would get along very well. Mayuri is stuck up and pissy while Urahara is fun loving and badass. About the only thing they share is science. And if Urahara didnt like him I doubt he would keep him in his squad. But of course as theres no real evidence either way, who knows.

[Vampircia]

Well, Mayuri didn't have to be a bastard for all his life. Who knows, maybe too much power as a captain made him like that.

[Icchy <3]

Well, even if Urahara didn't like that bastard Mayuri, he is still a talented scintist, which the 12 div. is based around, science.

[Hakuoro]

When Mayuri turned into the green goop while fighting Ishida, he returned to his normal form as a human and had blue hair so he made himself mutant in a way.

[Icchy <3]

Yeah, I haven't seen anything else 'bout that yet, i'm currently reading the Mangas, but I haven't seen much about the SS..

[Hakuoro]

Somehow i think the whole Soul Society thing has a bout ended lol.

[Icchy <3]

Well yeah but... :(

[Vampircia]

There so many interesting, unrevealed things that KT should really do something about it.

[Icchy <3]

Yeah, but I think he will finish the whole Aizen thing first.
I would like to see Aizen past as well.

[Hakuoro]

Maybe i think everyones gonna go back to Soul Society eventually for one gigantic battle.

[Icchy <3]

Lol, I think the SS is ok with Ichigo etc now because they did save it..But I want to see Gin come back at one point to fight someone :)

[Sandal Hat]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/kougaiji2/stopsubject.jpg

Please? :)

[Icchy <3]

Sorry sir, Anyway, I think it's Mayuri. :)

[Hakuoro]

Indeed sorry. Mayuri i think was probably his student.

[Vampircia]

And by the way what do you think is the age difference between them? I mean do you think they are in a similar age or is Kisuke much older than him?

[Hakuoro]

Id say Kisuke is older than him. Why? i dont know...

[Daifuku]

I think... that MAYBE is Mayuri... less possibilities for Tessai though <<

[Snuffle]

It just occured to me as I was reading the manga, and I dont know if someone already mentioned this, but isnt it possible Kurosake Isshin(AKA Ichigo's Dad) could have been Urahara's Vice Captain, or at least part of 12 division? Just a thought, Mayuri is a possibility as well. He just seems to evil and creepy for Urahara to have tolerated him.

[Sandal Hat]

I think Isshin is too powerful to be Urahara's vice captain. Not only that but he was wearing a captains uniform when he destroyed GF.

[Helikaon]

Mayuri is the most logical decision due to him being the captain now and being a shinigami, Tessai in my opinion is a mod soul made with good spirit ability he hasnt shown any signs of having a Zampoktou so i very much doubt he is a shinigami let alone a VC, and whoever had the idea that all 3 of his helpers were in the division together... sorry but thats just ridiculous. I think that perhaps Mayuri may have had a hand in finding out about Uraharas experiment and therfore got him banished so that he could become captain, and then he created Nemu because he doesnt trust anyone human.

[Vampircia]

I think Soul Society is not a peaceful place (well, we all no about it:P). Urahara Kisuke as a quite controversial person probably had many enemies. So I think there is even a possibility that Mayuri was manipulated to betray him and reveal his secret research. But don't take it too seriously, my theories are usually weird:P

[Helikaon]

thats what i just said.... :S lol so it would be my theory

[Vampircia]

I'm sorry if you had an impression that I stole it from you, but I've already mentioned this theory in my fanfic (http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=11063) long time ago, so I couldn't stole it:)

[Helikaon]

yup probably not but it looked pretty bad when you posted it straight after mine thats all im getting at.. but thats cool

[ade.hell]

Tessai was most propably Urahara's fukutaichou. If not, why someone with his knowledge and ability to use demon arts is on Earth?

[Helikaon]

Modsoul... as said before

[beautifulrandomness]

The thing that occurs to me is that if Tessai was VC, and left at the same time as Kisuke, then there would be the possibility for a high seated member of the division (eg Mayuri) to become captain, without that person necessarily having been VC previously.

Just a thought...

[Merovingian]

It looks like it's either Mayuri or Tessai here, but I'm more apt to go with the former, as we haven't even seen a hint of Tessai's zanpaktou. (Then again, we're still not sure if Yoruichi has one, either, but that's another story.) The thing is that we've seen non-shinigami, namely the Shibas, use powerful demon-like spells.

[uraharachan]

I have always felt that Tessai fled SS with Urahara when he was exiled, it's pretty obvious that Tessai was a Shinigami, take for instance yoruichi she doesn't carry a zanpakuto, so why should Tessai have to. Tessai is very very strong. You'll all seee MUAHAHAHHAH!

[Jasper]

I think that Mayuri might've been Urahara's VC. There's a solid chance that Isshin might've been his VC too but as Sandal previously mentioned, Isshin did wear captain robes and said something like "Captain-level shinigami could conceal the size of their zanpakutohs" if I'm not mistaken. Thus it wouldn't really make sense if he is infact his VC unless he was his VC but he was already at Captain level :).

[Helikaon]

I have always felt that Tessai fled SS with Urahara when he was exiled, it's pretty obvious that Tessai was a Shinigami, take for instance yoruichi she doesn't carry a zanpakuto, so why should Tessai have to. Tessai is very very strong. You'll all seee MUAHAHAHHAH!
yoruichi is an exception to the zampaktou.. due to the division that she inhabited.. and its still debated whether she has one.. but tessai is in my opinion one of the most unlikely shinigami's ever.. other than maybe ganju.. i think its just illogical to even think that he could be a shinigami let alone a VC.. its quite easy for urahara to create powerful mod souls and tessai is no exception

[Vampircia]

I think that Yoruichi had a zanpakutou. Do you remember falsh backs with Soi Fong? Yoruichi used a small sword there.

[kebinxp]

yea probably mayuri or tessai

[Shinji]

I think that Yoruichi had a zanpakutou. Do you remember falsh backs with Soi Fong? Yoruichi used a small sword there.
It was just a knife I think. She does not have a zanpakatou.

[MasterX25]

Not being stupid or anything but whose tessai i didn't find him in the gotei 13 list???

[Shinji]

Not being stupid or anything but whose tessai i didn't find him in the gotei 13 list???
Tessai is the guy that works at Urahara's Shoten. The one with sunglasses.

[MasterX25]

No wonder why,ve heard the name but forgot who he was.

[Hav0c]

umm...i think tessai might be urahras vc or shiba kukkaku....cause she seems quiet an inventive person herself plus shiba is disgraced may be due to her involvment in the creation of hogyoku and the rest of the incidents which follows it...anyway it just a weird thought of mine...:rolleye09 ....:winking56

[asukasun]

mayuri is the hottest candidate for this... Tessei is strong but i doubt that he´s a shinigami (yeah I know his kidou abilities are very high but as we all know normal souls can also learn kidou -> look at Ganju and Kukaku ... they aren´t Shinigamis but they have power even if it´s not so high as Tessei)

[DMC]

Its tessai, he wouldnt just pick up some big stong dude off the streets..

[Ghost]

Its tessai, he wouldnt just pick up some big stong dude off the streets..
Don't you remember Cloud Nova and RinRin?

They're pretty strong too (Ichigo and Renji were no match for them - at all)
Yet they were created by Urahara. Is Tessai a mod-soul? I bet my clothing allowance on it. (now don't win.. I don't want to be walk around.. well you know.).

Might've been Mayuri, because he was a different person (the blue haired guy.. I bet he only started pumping himself full off technology after he became captain)

[KONichiwa]

I bet it's Ichigo's DAD! haha...

[MasterX25]

It has to be tessai because in the manga where rukia ask about quincy,tessai says it has been 200 yeas since he heard the word(i may be wrong it could be a long time).

[jemz09]

Isshin is actually a former captain so it can't be him..

I think it's Tessai ^^;

[berserk]

heh... I clearly think that Mayuri was Urahara's VC... one hint is in the ending in one of the 26-38ep. ofcourse there are other hints aswell...

[Vampircia]

You know what I did? I watched all the endings from ep 26 to ep 38 and I think you're right. There are hints:)

[Stigmata]

I have never thought about who Urahara's VC would have been!
I think it was probably Mayuri but I think it's Tessai :D

[konberry]

mayuri could have been his vc, cuz he took over the research centre when urahara left, so... yea I can't think of any other suspects

[MrPriest]

I think it was Mayuri, since nothing says anything else could be...

Also, Mayuri was always evil-like, he told the quincy kid that he saw 1000s of other quincys and no one else could use the raiatsu string tech...

I also doubt Tessai is a mod soul, as the quincy (bare with me, I forgot his name...) kid can sence other auras as he noticed that nova and the others are mod souls because their raiatsu is constructed weirdly...

Someone said that Shiba Kukakuu could be the VC, but I doubt it... I mean, Yuruichi knew her and her habit of moving around with a strange house, and she was'nt in SS sincesheleft (atleast so we know) so when Urahara was still captain, she was still wandering around...

About Isshin someone said he had a captain's robe so... he left as a captain so he could'nt be a VC...

[Hiyuu Tatsuma]

i made a Threadbut is gone but could Urahara's vice captian been Ichigo dad as for he was an ex Shinigami so i read some were

[Goodies]

Mayuri is the best possibility, since in the ending related to the 12th division, Urahara was shown and Mayuri was furious.

[Quincy_Pride]

I think it was Mayuri, since nothing says anything else could be...
Also, Mayuri was always evil-like, he told the quincy kid that he saw 1000s of other quincys and no one else could use the raiatsu string tech...
I also doubt Tessai is a mod soul, as the quincy (bare with me, I forgot his name...) kid can sence other auras as he noticed that nova and the others are mod souls because their raiatsu is constructed weirdly...
Someone said that Shiba Kukakuu could be the VC, but I doubt it... I mean, Yuruichi knew her and her habit of moving around with a strange house, and she was'nt in SS sincesheleft (atleast so we know) so when Urahara was still captain, she was still wandering around...
About Isshin someone said he had a captain's robe so... he left as a captain so he could'nt be a VC...

HOW CAN YOU FORGET ISHIDA URYUU'S NAME!! Only messing, you make him sound like the Milky Bar Kid. :LOL:

Tessai certainly is a very old chap, didn't he say he hadn't seen a Quincy going on 200 years which suggests he was there at the time of the culling.

[kaede822]

I think Uruhara's VC was Mayuri..since usually, when the captain leaves.. who takes the place? normally, the VC would..and so that's why Mayuri is now the captain of the 12th div..

oh, and Ishin is a captain btw...so no, he cant be Uruhara's VC..

[shadow_of_89]

Probably it isn't mayuri.....Maybe urahara's VC left with him when he was exiled...