Where do Shinigamis get their Zanpakutou?

[Hotaru]

I dont think this has been posted before..
Where do Shinigamis get their Zanpankutou??? When they are in the Academy, they all have the nameless ones... so when or where do they get their own??? surely they dont jst appear...

[Senbon_ Zakura]

I think they get thier basic Zanpankutou (the nameless ones) from the Academy and with stronger spirit force the Zanpankutou becomes more individual, is the shinigami strong enough then the Zanpankutou Avater will teach him/her how to release his Shikai, Bankai.

[Undying]

That depends... and Asauchi (nameless sword) is given to each trainee in the Academy (see Renji, Kira, Hinamori, and Rukia flashback episode).

It is assumed that those who are able to manifest their Zanpakutou at will (i.e. those who can get Shikai) transfer their Reiatsu into the sword, thus making it stronger.

Technically, a Zanpakutou is an extension of its user's spirit, or soul. That means that he reflects his persona. This also means that what we saw Ichigo do (pull his Zanpakutou out of a box and thus regaining Shinigami powers), might be what happens, as well. The Shinigami goes inside his Inner World, converses with the Zanpakutou avatar, and then pulls out the sword, learning it's name.

This is all theory though, as I do not believe that it has been stated anywhere.

[Hotaru]

i know that it has not been stated anywhere, this is why it is such a good topic...
so, Asauchi is given a shinigami, then over time, his/her reaitsu leaks into it making it personal???

[Azalea]

so, Asauchi is given a shinigami, then over time, his/her reaitsu leaks into it making it personal???

Exactamento! i think lol
that answers my question too, the asauchi are like new homes for the shinigamis reaitsu and thus, an avatar is born! :musak:

[Savage Dragon]

most probable once a shinigami reaches a certain level of power their avatar awekens and either they must summon them or they are combined with those swords but i doubt that cause those swords are all the same while zanpaktos are always different from size to hilt

the best guess is that they pull them from their souls like ichigo did

[Yuki]

In my opinion I think all the zanpakutohs are given to shinigamis in soul Society. I mean, while they are getting lessons to become official shinigamis, the captain of first squad give to all of them a zanpakutoh. But you'll be asking yourself... how could he know which zanpakutoh is for every shinigami? In fact I believe all the zanpakutohs are all the same. A zanpakutoh gets its power while shinigami's training. Depending on shinigami's power, strenght, ability, reiatsu... one spirit gets in contact with the shinigami's zanpakutoh. Of course, every spirit only owns one zanpakutoh.
When the spirit becomes one with the blade then it's the moment when it starts saying its name. If the shinigami is stronger enough he'll be able to hear it... You all know how it continues...

Just an opinion...
Bye bye

[Evenstar]

Most probably, their zanpakutohs are obtained through some kind of spiritual training (err...for the lack of better terms, let's just put it this way...spirit training refers to the training which enhances their spiritual powers...) like what Undying had said, the same on how Ichigo obtained his...but there's only one flaw...not all shinigamis can make those spirit threads appear.. Didn't Rukia once said in episode 5 that only shinigamis with higher spiritual levels can make those spirit threads appear? Which means, even if all shinigamis undergo the same process of obtaining their zanpakutohs, how would they find theirs when they have no clue as to where their swords are?

Here's my 2 cents:
The shinigamis obtain swords from their own reiatsu...they make it appear...and since the zanpakutoh is not an ordinary blade (not made by some blacksmith but is actually a person or an entity...) they prove themselves worthy of their blade by knowing its name and stuff...if they don't, then their zanpakutohs turn into ordinary swords..

[moppiz]

From a mail order firm in tokyo :D nah, just kidding.
I believe that Undying is correct, but that afterall just my tiny opinion

[Undying]

@Shadowmask: That depends... and Asauchi (nameless sword) is given to each trainee in the Academy (see Renji, Kira, Hinamori, and Rukia flashback episode).

It is assumed that those who are able to manifest their Zanpakutou at will (i.e. those who can get Shikai) transfer their Reiatsu into the sword, thus making it stronger.

Technically, a Zanpakutou is an extension of its user's spirit, or soul. That means that he reflects his persona. This also means that what we saw Ichigo do (pull his Zanpakutou out of a box and thus regaining Shinigami powers), might be what happens, as well. The Shinigami goes inside his Inner World, converses with the Zanpakutou avatar, and then pulls out the sword, learning it's name.
Ponder thy sins. Honestly, read through it. I've stated what is already known.
Didn't Rukia once said in episode 5 that only shinigamis with higher spiritual levels can make those spirit threads appear? Which means, even if all shinigamis undergo the same process of obtaining their zanpakutohs, how would they find theirs when they have no clue as to where their swords are?
The difference is that the other Shinigami aren't risking them becoming Hollows. They have time to search through their souls for the sword, while Ichigo had to do it ASAP. So, they recieve spuritual training, and I'd say that most of the training focuses on drawing out your sword, hence changing the Asauchi into a different form (that is why Zanpakutous differ in their normal, katana, forms. They depend on the wielder's persona). I believe this applies to all but the Kidou masters, who focus on Kidou rather than Zanjutsu (I think that means that everyone in the Kidoshuu don't have a Zanpakutou).

[Evenstar]

The difference is that the other Shinigami aren't risking them becoming Hollows. They have time to search through their souls for the sword, while Ichigo had to do it ASAP. So, they recieve spuritual training, and I'd say that most of the training focuses on drawing out your sword, hence changing the Asauchi into a different form (that is why Zanpakutous differ in their normal, katana, forms. They depend on the wielder's persona). I believe this applies to all but the Kidou masters, who focus on Kidou rather than Zanjutsu (I think that means that everyone in the Kidoshuu don't have a Zanpakutou).

Well you do have a point...but what's their setup? I mean, when Ichigo was trained to obtain his zanpakutoh back, there were zanpakutohs housed in thousands of boxes and he needs to pull the right sword or he becomes a hollow...but those boxes are "crumbles" from Ichigo's inner world... I suppose their inner world doesn't crumble like Ichigo's because as you've said, they're not on the verge of becoming hollows...so maybe ordinary shinigamis produce zanpakutohs contrary to how Ichigo produced his?

[Undying]

I think that normal Shinigamo don't have their Zanpakutou sealed in a box in their Inner World. After all, Ichigo's Shinigami powers were asleep (as is staed by Zangetsu), so he had to "awaken" them by pulling the sword out from his crumbling Inner World. I think that normally, a Shinigami takes years to obtain his Zanoakutou, because he or she slowly draws them out, day by day.

Of course, I'm only speculating, basing myself on the difference between Ichigo and other Shinigami.

[Evenstar]

Well, who knows...Ichigo obtained a zanpakutoh without ever training in a Shinigami Academy...without EVER knowing how to make it appear...it just did...the others may have been, I dunno, fruits of hardwork? LOL~...

[Undying]

Well... he has naturally Shinigami powers inside of him. It was like he was a complete Shinigami without ever having to train.

[the ghost]

Well... he has naturally Shinigami powers inside of him. It was like he was a complete Shinigami without ever having to train.
ichigo gets to ditch training! :face82:

[yunnie]

well...hotaru i think to answer your question...they most likey come from being given to death gods, ichigo isn't any different [(i.e) ep1.].When rukia stabs ichigo, he steals all her power right? So, making it him able to maybe recreate a weapon.I believe this is true because when ichigo saids he recovered so fast, it was due to rukia's study of healing.
(i'm not sure if rukia still had her weapon after she stab ichigo, don't remember)

[Sandal Hat]

I believe a shinigami creates his/her soul slayer when he/she gains their shinigami powers.

Also:

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=4087&highlight=Zanpakuto

[Hotaru]

Sandal... that thread is OLD... i think the answer to the question is... we dont know for sure yet ^^...

[SmallKid57]

i think shinigamis.. are just like born with swords??? or maybe when they're officially shinigamis a captian gives them a sword and then they go on from there.

and if the sword breaks, the tooth fairy comes and replaces the sword with a new one!

[Caesar]

i think shinigamis.. are just like born with swords??? or maybe when they're officially shinigamis a captian gives them a sword and then they go on from there.

and if the sword breaks, the tooth fairy comes and replaces the sword with a new one!
ye toothfairy!! why didnt we think of that possibility?? o.O

[Hotaru]

i think shinigamis.. are just like born with swords??? or maybe when they're officially shinigamis a captian gives them a sword and then they go on from there.

and if the sword breaks, the tooth fairy comes and replaces the sword with a new one!
oh... such a SmallKid, SmallKid47...

[amaterasu]

zanpakutos do just appear. ichigo's did when he got his powers from rukia. however, it could be that he got the zanpakuto from rukia's powers as well. rukia has a nameless sword, so when ichigo got her powers , it could have changed to meet ichigo's spiritual requirements. i agree that the reiatsu induvidualizes and builds up the power of the sword over time. the visual version, or spirit of the zanpakuto is like inoue's little fairies in that it's an intelligent creature created from the shinigami's mind.

[Undying]

zanpakutos do just appear. ichigo's did when he got his powers from rukia. however, it could be that he got the zanpakuto from rukia's powers as well. rukia has a nameless sword, so when ichigo got her powers , it could have changed to meet ichigo's spiritual requirements. i agree that the reiatsu induvidualizes and builds up the power of the sword over time. the visual version, or spirit of the zanpakuto is like inoue's little fairies in that it's an intelligent creature created from the shinigami's mind.
Erm... Rukia's sword is not nameless... she had known it's name for a long time.
Also, since Ichigo have alwats possesed complete Shinigami powers, Rukia's power had simply awakened his, and the Zanpakutou he had was his own (i.e. Zangetsu). It wasn't Rukia's.

And also, the little faeries aren't something created from Inoue's mind. They are the manifestation of her powers. You might say they are her Zanpakutou.

And, a Zanpakutou's avatar is also created straight form the wielder's soul, it is an extension of it and a reflection of the wielder's strongest personality trait (the will to fight).

[iQing]

how is hanatarou and yoruichis Zanpaktou ?

[Undying]

how is hanatarou and yoruichis Zanpaktou ?
Hanatarou's will to fight is the will to heal. That is why his Zanpakutou (Gourdmaru) is a healing tool.

Nobody said that Yoroichi has a Zanpakutou. Moreover, she might be wielding an Asauchi.

[the ghost]

it magically pops out of no where, just like how it did with ichigo when he first got powers from Rukia.

[Undying]

Remember, Shinigami use their spirit powers in the form of a sword, a Zanpakutou. A complete Shinigami materializes his sword into the form of a katana. Ichigo, who ha full Shinigami powers from day one, was able to do it, but without much control (oversized sword).

[Winter-war]

i did not know hanatarou had soul slayer, thanks for that undying. i should go read the manga from ss arc

[Undying]

i did not know hanatarou had soul slayer, thanks for that undying. i should go read the manga from ss arc
It wasn't stated in the manga... it was stated in the Bleach Official Databook VIBES.

[SmallKid57]

i think yoruichi's sword, is now soi fons. i forgot where, but i read that somewhere.

hanatarou's zanpakuto set is simple...

1. first aid kit with gloves and a big red cross.
2. HEALING POWERS!!!! BOOYAS!!!!
3. broom and mop, and for those extra dirty places, he has MR. CLEAN ADVANCED FORMULA.

[choking]

hahaha... i think they zanpakutou jusy pops out when you become a shinigami!

[eton_dap]

hehe. there's actually a lot of stuff they don't explain in bleach.
like...how did rukia get into rukongai without dying (or did she die)?
and didn't that parakeet boy say that souls in rukongai don't change? but...renji and rukia and them all grew up.
@_@

[Sanzora]

As far as I know a Shingami’s Zanpakutou is a physical extension of their own spirit… I think that the nameless ones they receive in training are transformed the more they learn to control and focus their reiatsu and thus develop their zanpakutou into an individual

[T_Ichigo]

well Kubo Taito has the REAL answers, but unfortunately he's not a member of this forum >(

[Night Prowler]

Well we all know that Shimigamis get those namless Katana's from the Acadamy, I personally think that they are taught everything about a Zanpukato and how to learn its name. Then there taught how to use there spirtual power then the rest is up to them, like Renji said to Ichigo about not caring about his Zanpukato's name.

[the ghost]

i think yoruichi's sword, is now soi fons. i forgot where, but i read that somewhere.

hanatarou's zanpakuto set is simple...

1. first aid kit with gloves and a big red cross.
2. HEALING POWERS!!!! BOOYAS!!!!
3. broom and mop, and for those extra dirty places, he has MR. CLEAN ADVANCED FORMULA.
wow Mr. CLEAN ADVANCED FORMULA!!! amazing. do you think his first aid kit is from Johnsons's and Johnsons's too?? yay magical HEALING POWERS!!
hehe. there's actually a lot of stuff they don't explain in bleach.
like...how did rukia get into rukongai without dying (or did she die)?
and didn't that parakeet boy say that souls in rukongai don't change? but...renji and rukia and them all grew up.
@_@
yeah, ur rite, they don't explain lots of things... or maybe we're missing something... ?_?

[chakra25]

hehe. there's actually a lot of stuff they don't explain in bleach.
like...how did rukia get into rukongai without dying (or did she die)?
and didn't that parakeet boy say that souls in rukongai don't change? but...renji and rukia and them all grew up.
@_@

Rukia did die as mentioned in the Bykuya flashback with his wife. He said that "when they both died..." meaning that Rukia's sister and Rukia died at the same time in the human world. They never mentioned how...

Renji and Rukia had higher reietsu than the normal souls. Because of the high reietsu, they feel hunger and actually have metabolism. That could be the reason why Renji and Rukia ages. The same should go for other shinigamis as well.

[mrmyz]

My opinion

You hear them call there zanpakutou their souls edge, and through out the series they make many references that they are part of the weilder. Every one has one but people manifest them differently. I think thats what they are trying to show with the bountu. The bountu have those dolls that they control and uhara even acknowledged that they were something like their zanpakutou. So every one has them in them, they are a part of them. The only question is how do they manifest them into swords.

So far the only two options that make sense to me are
1. they are given the nameless ones at the accademy and from there they make the zanpakutou in them go into the sword
2. They pull it out of a box like ichigo did.

What makes me wonder is can we even use ichigo as an example because hes a exception to almost every rule

[Cassie]

Shinigamis all must have a zanpakuto, which is a part of them in a way that's not explained I believe.

As for where they get their zanpakuto.......... they pull it outta their ass.......... there, I said it, tooooo tempting.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

hehe. there's actually a lot of stuff they don't explain in bleach.
like...how did rukia get into rukongai without dying (or did she die)?
and didn't that parakeet boy say that souls in rukongai don't change? but...renji and rukia and them all grew up.
@_@

i think its just to get the story movin.... can u imagine ichigo fighting with Renji when Renji is even smaller than hitsugaya???? or rukia attending high sch with ichigo when she is still a little kid??

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

[QUOTE=stupidman007]Shinigamis all must have a zanpakuto, which is a part of them in a way that's not explained I believe.



I think they will get the zanpakuto when they oobtain their own powers...like ichigo in ep 1...plus i heard tt soul slayers are actually a conndensed form of its owners' spirit power....

[hitsugaya131]

i agree with most people on this thread saying that maybe their spirt energy is what makes the shinigami academy kantana into a zanpakutou...

about hitsugaya's zanpakutou
how does the kantana then have ice powers by him just putting his spirit energy into the zanpatukou...cuz isnt his sword the ice one or something...i dont think that his spirit pwr alone could do that...

so maybe they got it from someplace (ie: maybe like ichigo...)

*o yea...stonedeath plz stop double posting and spamming (i saw on a couple other threads...) ive seen u do that a couple times now

[h0f5]

Ichigo didnt pull it out of a box, he pulled it out of nowhere when he shinigam-eed. Shinigamis who didnt dramatically become a shinigami out of nowhere probably got it from a transmutation of their asauchi. Which brings us another question. Is there a factory for mass manufacturing ausauchis or what?

[Byakuya Teichou]

Well not Really, Ichigo did have to train, because first of all his powers were offered to him by Rukia and then he had to take Urahara's lessons to Obtain the Shinigami.

[Mavvy]

Without any evidence, we could say that they receive their nameless zanpakutous at the academy or recieve one the way Ichigo did.

The question on how Hitsugaya got like one of the rare ice zanpakutous is really interesting and is a mystery (so far).

Ichigo didn't have to train. Rukia's powers were transfer over to Ichigo. When Byakuya and Renji came to get Rukia, Byakuya-taichou just owned Ichigo and he lost his shinigami powers. Ichigo then trained with Urahara to obtain back his shinigami powers.

[Angel_shikigami]

I think they get the nameless one in the academy for training and then when then become shikigami they train (like Ichigo) to get their own zanpakutous. I think that the type of zanpakuktou they get depends on the person and that no other shikigami can have or use the same zanpakuktou. What I'm getting to is that they're costom made to the person.

[Kenken]

yes, you right, but the nameless one transform into thei zankaputou when the shinigami get's powerful enough for an avatar to be...created? and then they'll have to talk a lot in order for the shinigami to know the avatar's name

[tajukage_bunshin]

The asuchi zanpakuto, will be transformed into their own "unique" shape if the user's reiatsu is strong enoug to leak in. if not, it will stay like that for evver.

I'm wondering where zaraki got his, he didn't go to the acad

[h0f5]

He found it in his bed one day when he woke up.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

The asuchi zanpakuto, will be transformed into their own "unique" shape if the user's reiatsu is strong enoug to leak in. if not, it will stay like that for evver.
I'm wondering where zaraki got his, he didn't go to the acad


He's so strong tt he just bash some1 up barehanded then take tt person's soul slayer

[Winter-war]

all shinigami are given asuchi's when they enter the academy. the stronger ones are able to learn their zanpaktu's name.

[nyuu_chan]

what about ichigo's zanpakuto? didn't it just appear when he got his powers from rukia?

[h0f5]

all shinigami are given asuchi's when they enter the academy. the stronger ones are able to learn their zanpaktu's name.
where they come from in teh first place?

[Zanga]

Zanpaktos are from the soul I think. That is probably why zapaktos can "heal themselves" when broken/destroyed. I don't think asauchi's are the answer. The zanpakto's avatar is part of the weilder's personality, so I don't think something the academy gives can be something like that.

[Winter-war]

where they come from in teh first place?

they are given to them by the academy.

@nyuu_chan: i have no clue about that one

[h0f5]

what im asking is how do the academy get them? Are they like all swords just made from metal? Then why is it that it has the special characteristic with zanpakuto bto be able to hit shinigami?

[Winter-war]

what im asking is how do the academy get them? Are they like all swords just made from metal? Then why is it that it has the special characteristic with zanpakuto bto be able to hit shinigami?

yeah they make them or something. they probably have swordsmith or something who constructs them.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

I hate to retype in something tt i areadi typed b4...but i think they will get the zanpakuto when they obtain their own powers...like ichigo in ep 1...plus i heard tt soul slayers are actually a conndensed form of its owners' spirit power...

[Hotaru]

what about ichigo's zanpakuto? didn't it just appear when he got his powers from rukia?
good point nyuu_chan!!! I think as stonedeath says, it is jst a condensed form of reaitsu... once shinigami's reatsu reaches a certain level, the zanpkautou isa formed, like kenpachi, he always had a sword... however, if you go to the acdemy, this seems to be a shortcut where Yamajii actually give you an asuchi which then gets personalised by yoour own reaitsu and personalities...

[Undying]

All Zanpakutou are pieces of a Shinigami's soul - except the nameless ones, which are apparently manufactured and given to newbie Shinigami before they obtain one of their own.

As for Zangetsu, yes indeed it showed up on its own, because Ichigo already had it in himself - he had complete Shinigami powers for long, thus Zangetsu existed before and was just trying to reach Ichigo's ears. Rukia's powers partially awakened Ichigo's one and created a sword, but he still couldn't hear Zangetsu. He needed to go through Urahara's training to actually hear Zanegtsu's name.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

All Zanpakutou are pieces of a Shinigami's soul - except the nameless ones, which are apparently manufactured and given to newbie Shinigami before they obtain one of their own.
As for Zangetsu, yes indeed it showed up on its own, because Ichigo already had it in himself - he had complete Shinigami powers for long, thus Zangetsu existed before and was just trying to reach Ichigo's ears. Rukia's powers partially awakened Ichigo's one and created a sword, but he still couldn't hear Zangetsu. He needed to go through Urahara's training to actually hear Zanegtsu's name.


I think tis is one of the best one can get 4 an answer....this thread got nth else to talk bout...Undying typed every thing out...lol

[hellrockz]

stone's rite... NO FAIR!!! undying stole the fun of typing it out!!!! (SRY, UNDYING... PLS, NO OFFENCE!)