Da Vinci Code:: Believe/Not & It's Implications

[HitsuOri]

Don't know where to start this thread. I suppose this should be it....since it's bound to going to have people giving a long thread regarding this(certainly not me ^__^; I hope some good kind Christian souls with a lot of free time, would be able to take on other people comments.....I'm just for the show and only have asam laksa to enjoy the show)

For those who have read or seen the story; "Da Vinci Code"......what is your comments??

a) Do you believe what Dan Brown said/write?
b) What happens now....to you and the world?

[Lolable]

no i am b/w cuz he used trustful sources but even so he used imagination 2
so i dunno wats the truth...
and as for b,,nothing happens i guess :P

[odanion]

I am a...I believe that everything all of a sudden makes alot more sense...and that it is all possible

[Insight]

don't think i ever really thought of it before but, yeah it's probably true. i don't believe that jesus was the son of god anyway so whether he had a child or not doesn't really bother but i do belive the church is corrupted by power and has hidden away the idea as there religion is so dependant on jesus and the bible that they can't afford to have jesus be seen otherwise.

however i don't really care if jesus is the son of god and that he had kids it dosn't affect me at all. if i'm a decendant of jesus it doesn't matter. jesus was a great man whether he was the son of god or not but it is no big deal wether he had kids or not for any man to have kids isn't exactly a rare occurance

[Sandal Hat]

a) since the facts he based his book upon were false I can't really believe it. =/

[Injektilo]

No, even though I'm rather prone to conspiracy theories. Perhaps if it were actually well written or in any way compelling I'd be inclined to entertain the theory. But it's in truth just a rehash of an old story with a slight change in the thing that's being covered up. I feel previous works of fiction have dealt with church related conspiracies in more impressive fashions.

I feel that it's success is due largely to the climate of the modern world rather than anything else, there was a recent election of a pope, which is a fairly uncommon yet high-profile event, the leaders of the some of the powerful nations on the planet are self-confessed Christians, blah, blah... Religion is something that's on the agenda at the moment, it's just like the biography of a footballer selling better at the World Cup...

EDIT: Also I'm not religious which I guess rules my belief out but I am interested in theology but a poorly written book with a cheap story is unlikely to make me change my opinions.

[Random Havoc]

The "facts" were interestingly presented, but I don't beieve them to be true. I mean maybe some stuff are true like the actual templars and such... I know that a Pope long ago pretty much destroyed a troop of people who were trying to gain power on them (which I guess would be the templars).

But the thing is, the jumps from teh assumptions to the facts iin the movie really were leaps. For that reason, I believe that they are false stuff and I dn't believe in them.

[Azalea]

Knights Templar - yes, they do exist, now in the modern world, only with a different name that is - Order of DeMolay. In honor of the leader of the Templars back then: Jacques DeMolay :D

And, no - i dont believe everything in what Brown has written coz its purely made up. Hence the category in which the book belongs to - FICTION!

[Hits]

A lot of stuff in DVC are trash. The Divine Ratio, the 666 mention in the louvre pyramid and of course, mary magdalene. for example, the person beside jesus in the last supper is JOHN, there is no way that could've been Mary. John has also been conveyed as somewhat effiminate in paintings to bring out his youth.

[InsaneShiyn]

It was fiction

[Neve]

Personally, I believe that he made it seem quite convincing, but examined more closely a lot of his sources and evidence (the painting of the last supper, for example) were very flawed. It made a nice story, but there's no way that it was true.

[miso_ramen]

DaVinci's Code is fiction... Don't know why a lot of people really fussed much over it... Here, the movie was even preliminarily banned, then it was eventually screened as an Adult's Only film. After the week it was shown, nothing much really happened.. It was like "another of those movies...", which wasn't really talked about because it was [insert whatever you want here].
The book, which had attracted a lot of attention before, was said to "Test your Faith... Make you think otherwise". If it were the case, if one really had this strong faith, then why worry so much over fiction?

[BeeCrest]

The conspiracy is interesting, but I don't believe it's true. The book is also fiction, not true so I find it hard to believe.

[InsaneShiyn]

book. movie. same. both fiction. sorry

[_Ink]

people, you just don't get it, the movie doesn't really aim for you to challenge faith, that is up to you to decide, especially people who are weak in faith.
What the movie aims to really present, IMO, is how faith is no longer plain faith. What Random mentioned, the movie was a melting pot of showing political shadowing, the backhands of the puppet show, the manipulation of the faithful (Silas was a poor soul) by the unfaithful and politically inclined.

The order and its so many dark histories. Of massacres, and cruxifications and burning of cities. (including the fall of Jerusalem), what the movie really aims would have been to show you how ugly mankind can fall into when it concerns holding to their beliefs, that even with leadership, can spawn chaos, which I believe God was if he existed, an image of leadership, that in his path that people follow, create more chaos to glorify his name (one of my fav examples: "believe in God, to get eternal life, if not, damnation in hell" talk about marketing a brand of leadership.

and no, I don't believe it in the first place, I certainly don't and also even don't want to bother. GO ManFayism!

[kaede822]

Agree with you on that ManFaye!

The book is actually categorized under FICTION, although it uses some facts in it give the story a sense of realism. And its no surprise that it has become controversial. And that is why, people, that DAN Brown is considered one of the best Fiction writers because he was able to manipulate some facts added some fiction and made it look like they were facts when in fact its just fiction.

I've read books and I've watched documentaries that either support or criticize Dan Brown's book. One particular book from Dan Burnstein pointed out different points in the Da Vinci code. One thing I've read was about Mary Magdalene. She has been known as a whore ever since. FYI: the Roman Catholic church has released a statement decades ago that Mary Magdalene wasnt really a whore. And I've realized that some of the stuff in the novel were just twisted realities.

Anyway, in the end it boils down to two purposes..it either made your faith stronger or weakened it? its a personal matter. and yeah personally, it doesnt bother me that Jesus was married. and it doesnt bother me that they had a child and that they have descendants now. it doesnt bother me that Jesus intended Mary Magdalene to continue his church and not Peter..doesnt bother me one bit...

[Rising Phoenix]

The book/movie is finction so no I don't believe in it.

That said I really don't get all the fuss about it. So he says (the author) that Jesus had sex and had children? Big deal, he was both human and a God. Having a sex and a child is human so nothing wrong about it. Besides it's the teachings that really matter (to me at least).

Cheers,

R.P.

[mooks]

When I first read the Angels&Demons and Da Vinci Code- I was greatly entertained... Even more so as the hype continued to rise, questions of authenticity and talks of movies.

It's been a while since something this riveting was around. Ofcourse, it's purely fiction as most of you guys have stated. On thing that really got my goat was the desperate suspension of disbelief that showed up every once in a while. What really gets under my skin is things that are far-fetched but the average joe is totally convinced is a possibility and therefore holds credibility...The situation with Mary Magdalene and Peter for example. The statues with the pointing and the map and all that was the worst one- but putting peeves aside- it has renewed the interest of art history and key historical figures (Like galileo and da vinci) without the geek element deeply rooted in it- I'm all for this new makeover

Ofcourse, the Church and certain orders such as the Templars are shrouded in mystery and myth- leaving them open to interpretation and scrutiny from any angle..

There tons of interesting legends and myths out there, Angels&Demons and Da Vinci Code are only the beginning...
there's the Lost book of Jesus, Thaddeus of Edessa, the new order of Essenes- even the dead sea scrolls holds much more potential for shock and awe with all the secrecy and politics surrounding it

[HitsuOri]

DaVinci's Code is fiction... Don't know why a lot of people really fussed much over it... Here, the movie was even preliminarily banned, then it was eventually screened as an Adult's Only film. After the week it was shown, nothing much really happened.. It was like "another of those movies...", which wasn't really talked about because it was [insert whatever you want here].
The book, which had attracted a lot of attention before, was said to "Test your Faith... Make you think otherwise". If it were the case, if one really had this strong faith, then why worry so much over fiction?

If compared to the cartoon caracature (sp??) of the greatest prophet in the world?? The so-called-largest-religion-so-it-must-be-true's own people were creating a big havoc in the international level, crying murder and vandalized so many buildings and infrastructures, desecrating flags and pictures of people.....to some point it affected the world's economy.

This faith never really call it's own people to start a massive strike that will cripple the economy.

At least the newspaper compony made a public apology, but the author of DVC actually made a shameless and fearless comments that he did his research homework thoroughly.

Testing faith is when you trust your God in acting it Himself.

You don't yourself move the Hand of God and inflict punishments on the perpertrator.

Just like someone in the bible said, "If he is god, let him contend it with my son."

[Cheryl]

I have not read any previous posts in this thread yet. This is my stand:

I don't believe that the book is fact. Yeah, sure it is categorized under fiction, but I am sure that many Christian believers have had their faith swayed just a little bit by reading this book.

According to my pastor, Dan Brown based his 'facts' off another book, which was written by someone else, called 'The Holy Grail'. Apparently, the author made a mistake in that book, and Dan Brown copied the mistake into his own book too. The author's sueing Brown, I think. I'm not sure on the details, but this is what my pastor said is happening.

Humans love scandals. They like reading about 'myths' and 'mysteries'. This book is pure fiction, but it is a very misleading book. People who are non-Christians are more likely to WANT to believe that the book is fact. I am in no way a supporter of this book or its movie. Jesus is a holy man. They did not record in the Bible that He had gotten married and had children. They did not say that Jesus had something going on with Mary. For goodness sake, Mary worships Jesus. The Bible doesn't even give any HINT that they had children. That thought is just plain disgusting.

I would really have liked to let everyone hear my pastor's sermon that day. It was very interesting, and my pastor had evidence to support his statements. Unfortunately, I cannot recall everything...I hope that what I've said has at least set people thinking.

[_Ink]

I have not read any previous posts in this thread yet. This is my stand:
I don't believe that the book is fact. Yeah, sure it is categorized under fiction, but I am sure that many Christian believers have had their faith swayed just a little bit by reading this book.

Not everyone, the one posted above you is not, AT ALL. (am I correct?)

And of course, it IS NOT fact, why would it be FACT when it is a NOVEL? If it was a historic record in a history book, or a science journal, that is Theory/Fact.

It is all a very personal thing, some people don't really believe, in fact, I sort of think at least half of all christians are generally shallow believers, in fact, contary to anyone's knowledge, I happen to have a lot of believer friends from multiple faiths, they pray sparingly, and more often than not, they don't really devote themselves or particularly understand their own religion. Not very faithful I might add.

According to my pastor, Dan Brown based his 'facts' off another book, which was written by someone else, called 'The Holy Grail'. Apparently, the author made a mistake in that book, and Dan Brown copied the mistake into his own book too. The author's sueing Brown, I think. I'm not sure on the details, but this is what my pastor said is happening.

Eh? haven't heard of that before, but mistakes or not, it is fiction.


Humans love scandals. They like reading about 'myths' and 'mysteries'. This book is pure fiction, but it is a very misleading book. People who are non-Christians are more likely to WANT to believe that the book is fact. I am in no way a supporter of this book or its movie. Jesus is a holy man. They did not record in the Bible that He had gotten married and had children. They did not say that Jesus had something going on with Mary. For goodness sake, Mary worships Jesus. The Bible doesn't even give any HINT that they had children. That thought is just plain disgusting.

Misleading it is not, like fiction, the only thing that can and supposedly make you twitch is the fact you think like you wanna believe it. I mean, who the hell cares? Who the hell cares the fact he has got a kid? Does that change the way you think about christianity? Is taht HOW SHALLOW your faith is, the fact he HAD SEX, and M.M. had a child?

They did not record in the bible, of course, who would want that, if it wasn't written it isn't true. The bible is not a historic record.

Heh, wanna know something funny? There was a time when the great king of Babylon, Gilgamesh, was considered a myth, they found truth, and recorded him by cross refrencing with figures associated with him, there were facts, and there were clues, and so on.

And guess what, nothing was really written about him in like.... totally true encounters, they even recorded him having holy powers etc.... hahah. That was 5k years ago. A time when humans were only starting to have civilization.

Oh, mind you tell me, how is worshiping directly contributes the disgustingness of getting married, build a family etc?
Is it not a holy ritual designed by "God" or approved by "God" that Marriage is? I am surprised, so Jesus doesn't have the right to have a child, and if he does he stains the very name of his father and then stains christianity? And then all the followers after are him are just fools?

How is that disgusting? I see no deal with that. Seriously.

As for humans loving scandals and etc. Yes, I agree, who doesn't like to hear about your favorite star having a scandal with another? WHo doens't like to reat about the economic scandals of ENRON?


I would really have liked to let everyone hear my pastor's sermon that day. It was very interesting, and my pastor had evidence to support his statements. Unfortunately, I cannot recall everything...I hope that what I've said has at least set people thinking.

Please, when you do, I really like to hear "evidence" , I doubt it tho.

let me put it this way, I would be happy to know if I believed in any forms of faith, say imagine if I am Islamic, I would be happy to believe that even today, a descendant of the Phrophet Muhammed walks among us, it shows me a few things:

He was alive, he was real.
He did have a child, and like us, he was both real and godly.
We still have some hope, maybe like us, he may be among us.
There is a bloodline, we can trace and establish actual history!
Maybe his descendants know things we don't? Family treasures, etc.
Maybe he left something for the descendants, a holy scripture specially for his own family that has been passed down from generations before.
Maybe what we know was wrong, and that only the descendants know. Who knows? The possibilities there are endless and gives explanation to things that needed answers to, and someone to continue the bloodline is always good.

[Delta]

Good book, interesting story, but as far as my faith goes, Jesus's teachings are just as valid, even if the story is true, which is very questionable. I really dont think anyone religious should care, but some people make getting offended into a profession.

[kiMMii]

No, they mixed some truth with a bunch lies. Its just the elites trying to rewrite history as usual and brainwash the masses into believing such bullshit.

[unnefer]

No, they mixed some truth with a bunch lies. Its just the elites trying to rewrite history as usual and brainwash the masses into believing such bullshit.
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Elites always do that. But how can you be sure that the religious books which we follow have not been written by elites?
Cristian's Bible , muslim's kuran, Hindhu's Ramayan did not fall from heaven, they have very must been written by people and as time went by they where additions/deletion in each one of them. And before these stories were written they have been passed by word of mouth. Now you can guess how much each one must have changed over the years.

We believe in god, because we have been programmed from childhood to so. There are tribes in africa who have no concept of god (Heard about it in Discovery). You have been living in a dream world neo, time to wake up.
Though I find no fault in believing what ever anyone wants to believe, what i hate the most is that religion are tools for maniulating people.
The elites(religious leaders) who write the rules of religion control the commeners. History is proof that they have been too many wars fought over religions. That is why some religions exist the come have disappeared
All this is because no religion concurs that there could be other religions.

I believe religion should be something flexible, able to adapt to the changing times. Religion should encourage questioning.

To sum it up da vinci code is as much a fiction as bible.

Dont be enraged by my reply. As i said before believe what ever you want to believe, as long as you dont impose it on others.

[Undying]

Oh please... believe the Da Vinci Code? <ight as well start going out preaching about my new religion: The mustache warshippers!!!!
...
No. I do not believe it. I've questioned my father, who is quite knowlegable, and his reply was a simple statement: yeah, the Order of Zion exists. Yes, Mary did exist (*note: according to Christianity. So somebody she was laive was she? Porve that she was. Not debating this and don;t even want to, but I don't believe she wasn't a whore*), and yes, she was a whore. So? Now we go, get ourselves a lameass story and use every fuc*ing symbol ever to exist to portray the Church as bastards.

If Dan wants to write a book against Christianity or against the Church, at least he should write it in a more concinving way.

Oh, and no I'm not a Christian.

[Ninashi]

I'll keep this simple and sweet.

No, because it's utter crap.

:)

[Tokoyami]

I saw a report on either Sci-Fi or the discovery Channel. It disproved alot of the dates, times, and showed how the author warped some event to fit the book. The author then said that all these things were real before the story began.

[Daeruke]

i also will keep this simple.

i a'int christian n i dont believe in god, so i dont really care if jesu was married or not.

[Cheryl]

Not everyone, the one posted above you is not, AT ALL. (am I correct?)

Dude...read. I said MANY. I never said ALL.

They did not record in the bible, of course, who would want that, if it wasn't written it isn't true. The bible is not a historic record.

Yes it is. It was recorded by the various people who lived during those times.

Oh, mind you tell me, how is worshiping directly contributes the disgustingness of getting married, build a family etc?
Is it not a holy ritual designed by "God" or approved by "God" that Marriage is? I am surprised, so Jesus doesn't have the right to have a child, and if he does he stains the very name of his father and then stains christianity? And then all the followers after are him are just fools?

Jesus is the Son of GOD. If He got married, what would his descendants be called then? Half-Gods? -.-

[_Ink]

Jesus is the Son of GOD. If He got married, what would his descendants be called then? Half-Gods? -.-

yeah... so?
There are a bunch of "half Gods" around, in history that is, so what is so wrong?
in the end if they function as a part of society etc. It is not wrong.

There are a bunch of examples from all walks of faith, not surprising. Plus, well, if they are that important, I reckon the church would recruit them to be bishops or something, which is all good.

I don't see a problem here.

[littie_sta]

Oh please... believe the Da Vinci Code? <ight as well start going out preaching about my new religion: The mustache warshippers!!!!
...
No. I do not believe it. I've questioned my father, who is quite knowlegable, and his reply was a simple statement: yeah, the Order of Zion exists. Yes, Mary did exist (*note: according to Christianity. So somebody she was laive was she? Porve that she was. Not debating this and don;t even want to, but I don't believe she wasn't a whore*), and yes, she was a whore. So? Now we go, get ourselves a lameass story and use every fuc*ing symbol ever to exist to portray the Church as bastards.
If Dan wants to write a book against Christianity or against the Church, at least he should write it in a more concinving way.
Oh, and no I'm not a Christian.

In year 1956, Priory of Scion (Sion) was created by Pierre Plantard, a man with many criminal records. Not 1099 as Dan Brown claims.

[Cheryl]

yeah... so?
There are a bunch of "half Gods" around, in history that is, so what is so wrong?
in the end if they function as a part of society etc. It is not wrong.
There are a bunch of examples from all walks of faith, not surprising. Plus, well, if they are that important, I reckon the church would recruit them to be bishops or something, which is all good.
I don't see a problem here.

...If you aren't a Christian, then, never mind. It's understandable that not everyone agrees on the same points, so. Yeah. It's alright.

Personally: Half-Gods in the world? Puh-leaze.

[miso_ramen]

Oh yeah... Can I post a question in relation to the topic?
Do you guys believe that DVC actually desecrates the name of Christianity?
I mean, I've heard that lots of times, especially here where religion is probably THE way of the people (too much of it that faith, which matters most, is forgotten) and when a certain controversy breaks out (in this case, fiction or not), all hell breaks lose with it and all that s***! Sickening, yes, I wish they would just stop.

[VampyreLord]

The Da Vinci Code is obviously fictional, and unless I am very much mistaken the author has not yet dared to claim otherwise. The "evidence
" is all very sketchy and suspect at best, and really I think that although it may be a good read, it has very little historical value at all, if any.

[HitsuOri]

Oh yeah... Can I post a question in relation to the topic?
Do you guys believe that DVC actually desecrates the name of Christianity?
I mean, I've heard that lots of times, especially here where religion is probably THE way of the people (too much of it that faith, which matters most, is forgotten) and when a certain controversy breaks out (in this case, fiction or not), all hell breaks lose with it and all that s***! Sickening, yes, I wish they would just stop.

Now read this. I already answered to the same thing that you have been repeating, again and again.

DaVinci's Code is fiction... Don't know why a lot of people really fussed much over it... Here, the movie was even preliminarily banned, then it was eventually screened as an Adult's Only film. After the week it was shown, nothing much really happened.. It was like "another of those movies...", which wasn't really talked about because it was [insert whatever you want here].
The book, which had attracted a lot of attention before, was said to "Test your Faith... Make you think otherwise". If it were the case, if one really had this strong faith, then why worry so much over fiction?

If compared to the cartoon caracature (sp??) of the greatest prophet in the world?? The so-called-largest-religion-so-it-must-be-true's own people were creating a big havoc in the international level, crying murder and vandalized so many buildings and infrastructures, desecrating flags and pictures of people.....to some point it affected the world's economy.

This faith never really call it's own people to start a massive strike that will cripple the economy.

At least the newspaper compony made a public apology, but the author of DVC actually made a shameless and fearless comments that he did his research homework thoroughly.

Testing faith is when you trust your God in acting it Himself.

You don't yourself move the Hand of God and inflict punishments on the perpertrator.

Just like someone in the bible said, "If he is god, let him contend it with my son."

[HitsuOri]

I don't think I should be pasting excerpts, less I be accused of tampering the original documents.

A FRIEND was relating how after her daughter had read the Da Vinci Code, she had wanted to read the Bible. Which is not in itself a bad thing except that she was concerned that an impressionable young mind would not be able to differentiate fact from fiction. Also it seemed that perhaps what was needed is a Da Vinci Code-type book for Muslims to spark off the same level of interest in young people in their own religion.

Except that if anyone tried to write a similar thriller based around Islam, they’d be hounded and pilloried and threatened with death, thousands would riot in protest and people who would never have been able to read the book either because they are illiterate or can’t afford it would have died.

Such is the difference between our religions. While there are many Christians who are upset about the book and movie, they are countering it with seminars and other educational events to balance what is being said in the book, even if the book is only fiction. There have not been Da Vinci Code-related riots or deaths thus far. Which speaks volumes for the adherents of the faith.

It would be nice if everyone could brush off similar challenges and say “we are strong enough to withstand any attack”. Even if a book or a movie becomes a runaway hit, compared to the total number of any faith’s followers, the numbers sold can never match it. Books are by nature, in a world where illiteracy is still common, a luxury item. As are American movies, no matter what arguments people make about cultural imperialism.

I remember when there were riots over Salman Rushdie’s book The Satanic Verses, President Benazir Bhutto commented wryly that the people who were dying over the book were those who would never have read it, or possibly even heard of it if someone hadn’t whipped them into a frenzy. A similar situation arose with the cartoons. As insensitive as they were, they were still not worth dying over.

The point is that people’s impressions of a religion are often related to the behaviour of its adherents. Some religions are thought of as simply kooky because its followers behave strangely. Some are viewed as benign and peaceful because its followers resolutely will not harm a fly.

But when people, supposedly in the name of religion, riot, burn and kill, it can’t help but give the impression of a religion that advocates this, no matter how much we point out that nowhere in religious texts itself does it say you should do this. And unfortunately we get the whole spectrum, from men who publicly insult women on a daily basis without censure to the real crazies.

Recently in New York I had to suffer the embarrassment of having to listen to a Muslim man say to a non-Muslim woman at a forum, “Don’t mess with Muslims, we have nuclear weapons!” There I was trying to dispel stereotypes about violence-prone Muslims and in one fell swoop, this nutcase confirmed every stereotype there was.

I think the only people who can dispel stereotypes about Muslims are women. While there are certainly some conservative women, even when these speak out they will naturally change perceptions because in a world where Muslim women are perceived to be perpetually hidden behind curtains, their sheer presence and articulateness will be noticed. What more if they are able to argue rationally in a calm manner.

Thus far there have been very few Muslim men in the international media who give a good impression. We might argue that the Western media selects who they interview in order to perpetuate stereotypes, which is true and that is a problem for all of us. A man or woman who looks like the archetypal wild-eyed conservative is far more telegenic than someone who looks like everyone else. Channel surfers are far more likely to stop at the sight of someone they think of as alien to their culture than if they see someone too similar to them. To stop this means having to make a concerted effort to come together as one community and decide on a sophisticated media strategy. But sadly coming together as one united community is a challenge in itself.

If we do manage as a global community to change other people’s perceptions of us, the benefits would be many. Our own people might think more kindly of each other so peace would reign within. And because within ourselves, we respect diversity, we can do the same with others. Then peace would truly have a chance.

This person happened to be a famous NGO activist.

[yumisan]

well...it depends.i'm not a chirstian so i doesn't no much about it and that i read the book.so it depends.some part a some sort is true like the priory of sion.since i kept on seeing the preview of the da vinci code in national geography.so i'm kinda doubtful with it.but it still depends on people wether to accept or not.it's up to them.as for me 50 and 50.so i can't say much about though.

[HitsuOri]

well...it depends.i'm not a chirstian so i doesn't no much about it and that i read the book.so it depends.some part a some sort is true like the priory of sion.since i kept on seeing the preview of the da vinci code in national geography.so i'm kinda doubtful with it.but it still depends on people wether to accept or not.it's up to them.as for me 50 and 50.so i can't say much about though.

So which part is true, and which part is not true??

Didn't littie_sta said that Priory of Sion started on 1956?? Not in 1099 as a secret society, as claimed by Dan Brown?

How can you consider something to be true, if the main points of what that was said is already false??

btw.....the greatest cover-up conspiracy isn't about Jesus having sex with mary magdalene and has a series of descendents in the form of kings of france. I doubt......that would be something Jesus would want his descendents to be......the kings of France.

[Karakura Red]

it was a good book. But most was fictional...

[suzumehime]

Eventhought the book is really good,but I still don't believe some stuff that has been written.After all,it is fictional.

[s3r3n1ty]

Well...I can believe that any christian would not believe this. But as the story goes Jesus could have been mortal. I dont know the bible that well but i dont recall them saying he wasnt mortal, only tht he was the son of God. Therefore it is possible that he had a wife. But if it was so it would have hurt his divine standing, so they denied it and said Mary Magdelene was a whore( Which most scholars dont agree on). As far as his bloodline goes, well, who knows maybe even if it did exist they may not be around anymore (Bloodlines die or get watered down through other bloodlines). I personally am not restricted to believing one set path-I am open to all possiblities.

In year 1956, Priory of Scion (Sion) was created by Pierre Plantard, a man with many criminal records. Not 1099 as Dan Brown claims.


And as far as the Priory of Scion goes, there have been records of one (As you all know) that detail the fact that it was around quite a long time ago. It might have been recreated though(or has been). And its not just Dan Brown that claims this. Note: Of course the list only goes up to a certain point-not to today as in the book and movie. Its an old document.

Any these are just my thoughts on what ive heard and read and other things as well. And Dan Browns and everyone elses sources cannot be more sketchy then the Bible itself(I hope I dont offend anyone by this)

[kashyap3]

Don't know where to start this thread. I suppose this should be it....since it's bound to going to have people giving a long thread regarding this(certainly not me ^__^; I hope some good kind Christian souls with a lot of free time, would be able to take on other people comments.....I'm just for the show and only have asam laksa to enjoy the show)

For those who have read or seen the story; "Da Vinci Code"......what is your comments??

a) Do you believe what Dan Brown said/write?
b) What happens now....to you and the world?

I seriously dont give a damn

jesus was just a mere mortal
with some very radical ideas at his time

if people at that time were so ignorant and superstitious to call him son of god, then yeah so is osama bin laden


and another reason why i dont really care is because I'm not christian lol

[kiMMii]

I havnt read the book, or believe much of his jesus claims. But its opening up doors about the freemasons as ive noticed it being talked about on the history channel. Thats rare..... i think thats good for the mainstream to look into.

[mooks]

I agree with kiMMii...

People are finally interested in history and art history...

The only problem with this Dan Brown phenomenon is that people are more interested in the mysterious and infamous part of christianity... Which ultimately leads to half-truths and urban legends being discussed as fact.

The Priory of Sion is a great example... which was created by Pierre Plantard originally to recreate a Rosicrucian-like (the originator of all secret societies) association similar to Propaganda Due in Italy...
it wasn't until six years later that he started planting fake evidence that the Priory was connected to the Abbey of Sion (started in 1099)- which in 1984 was uncovered and became one of the biggest hoax's France has ever seen.

This is just one of many extraordinary leaps of faith Dan Brown has taken...

Ofcourse my main concern and only plight about this whole trend- is Atheists taking blind and un-educated statements and comments about something they obviously do not know or engage in
And over-religious people who will not even try to philosophise or interpret the bible or any scriptures because it might rock their faith or whatever.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

it's neither true nor just fiction.what's important is our faith will never be broken by everything that can mislead our hearts to the wrong path..

[AltoK]

I don't care. You're supposed to have fun when you read a book, not to take it all seriously and stuff.

[greeneyes]

I thought it was a good movie but that's it don't particularly believe it.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

I don't care. You're supposed to have fun when you read a book, not to take it all seriously and stuff.

The book is not funny! it is a book that should be taken seriously because it destroys our religion!

[Delta]

The book is not funny! it is a book that should be taken seriously because it destroys our religion!

It's a work of fiction.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

It's a work of fiction.

yeah but what about those who believe it, who wants truth?!

[Aizen]

Dont worry about the book, its just a stupid work of fiction, its just as real as star wars or bleach.

[SolBeowulf19]

I believe it. But I more-so believe it as a possibility rather than a reality. It makes sense and it could happen. Plus, I've always questioned different things with the bible and things like that. It could have happened, it could have not happened. It all, for the most part can depend upon your interpretation of the bible and whether or not you are a firm believer in whether it all happened as written, or some things were changed over the years or something like that. It makes sense and can be possible. But I believe in it as much as any other substantial theory upon the bible. It might or might not be true, but it still is a substantiel theory.

[_Ink]

...If you aren't a Christian, then, never mind. It's understandable that not everyone agrees on the same points, so. Yeah. It's alright.
Personally: Half-Gods in the world? Puh-leaze.


you know, I thought this is why christianity and all forms of religion is so funny, while they themselves claim faith over a man revered as a self professed Son of God, they don't believe in half Gods! OMG! WHAT? PARADOXES!

It is not that hard to believe they are just humans right?
I mean, Jesus was a son of god, so what? He had a son a daughter, doesn't mean they are the sons of God, who says that to you, why do you think so? Can't they be humans? I mean, surely if God or whoever made Jesus that special, he would have been the only one, the following of his seeds would simply be man.

Also, if it did happen, it wouldn't change a thing is no one ever told them, which I have high hopes for. Since something is so taboo, they prolly won't even know they are related without going throught the "da Vinci Code" treatment to find out their heritage.

Heck, I doubt they prolly even think like the Half-Gods, or whatever you want to call them, they are prolly people who eat like us, stay like us, have a job and a family just like us, with the passing of generations, their heritages are prolly forgotten already.

And for your information, do you know how many names of families are based on Christ's name? Over the years? Christos, Christians, Jesus, Hesu, so many, I guess it would not have been surprising if they too are related now eh?

The thing with religion is that they seal themselves into a tight circle, thinking outside a box is good for braincells sometimes you know.

[SmallKid57]

just for those people who believe the da vinci code... then ask dan brown. he'll say it's fiction.

[Arakida Ayano]

I very much enjoyed it as a work of fiction, and some of the facts in there, or as many as Dan Brown could work in, are true. For instance: threatening gestures in some of Da Vinci's paintings, the content of the dead sea scrolls. But the whole conspiracy theory thing has to be trash, I'm sorry. It's a very clever idea but I don't believe it's true.

[shadow_of_89]

just for those people who believe the da vinci code... then ask dan brown. he'll say it's fiction.
It's not just fiction.....is rubbish....he's statements have a pseudobackstory that do not solve anything....

[HitsuOri]

I very much enjoyed it as a work of fiction, and some of the facts in there, or as many as Dan Brown could work in, are true. For instance: threatening gestures in some of Da Vinci's paintings, the content of the dead sea scrolls. But the whole conspiracy theory thing has to be trash, I'm sorry. It's a very clever idea but I don't believe it's true.

Almost all tha Dan Brown wrote in Da Vinci Code was false.

Dead Sea Scrolls were never about Jesus. It contained the same old scriptures whose contents are almost the same with the bible. And Da Vinci is a renainssance man. Almost all his drawings depict young man with feminine look.

This is Dan Brown's claim, on the first page 'FACT', of the 'Da Vinci Code'

“All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.”

As expected, a quarter of people voted, believe Da Vinci Code is true.

[AltoK]

The book is not funny! it is a book that should be taken seriously because it destroys our religion!

It just destroys "our" religion as much as "Monty Python's Life of Brian" does (lol).

[Angel_shikigami]

Ya I think it's posible, but it can be a lie at the same time.

wOOt!!!!!!!!!!1 100th post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Skexis365]

I may not particularly belive the story about Jesus bumping uglies with one of his more delicate disciples. I just think that the man just did some serious research, and made sense out of it. i think to answer this question i would have to know u'r religious background, i don't want to offend anybody. But my oppinion is that it is very possible that Jesus did have relations with Mary Magdalene, I mean to say "wat the hell would be wrong with him doing it". Are we dead, is the world coming to a screaching halt because of the exposure of this inspirational medium, "The Da'vinci Code"? No itt hasn't so i think all who have a problem with it should just "have a coke and a smile" and shut up!:eek13: :doindadom

[HitsuOri]

I may not particularly belive the story about Jesus bumping uglies with one of his more delicate disciples. I just think that the man just did some serious research, and made sense out of it. i think to answer this question i would have to know u'r religious background, i don't want to offend anybody. But my oppinion is that it is very possible that Jesus did have relations with Mary Magdalene, I mean to say "wat the hell would be wrong with him doing it". Are we dead, is the world coming to a screaching halt because of the exposure of this inspirational medium, "The Da'vinci Code"? No itt hasn't so i think all who have a problem with it should just "have a coke and a smile" and shut up!:eek13: :doindadom

For us humans, which is more believable?? Is it::

Jesus is Son of God??

Jesus is a prophet??

or

Jesus had sex with some prostitute??

edit::

Compare it with the others.....

Muhammad is a prophet.

Muhammad had sex with his wives.

Muhammad's adopted son gave Muhammad his wife freely.

[_Ink]

Jesus had sex with some prostitute??

edit::

Compare it with the others.....

Muhammad is a prophet.

Muhammad had sex with his wives.

Muhammad's adopted son gave Muhammad his wife freely.

This is definitely my choice.
It sounds logical no? A lord you so praise to love is incapable of giving love to one of his specimens? Even if it is a pros, she is still human, and a human = child of God, what makes it any different to one who is as "Godly" as Jesus? Is Jesus incapable of making love to his children? Is Jesus so useless? To show and praise a lord who loves, yet advocates a personal disinterest in giving love? To a simple human woman?

[phantom_ko]

I think for the poll you could have added "possibly" or something, because we can't be sure if that is true or not. I'm not saying that i am agreeing or disagreeing with Dan Brown as there is a very small possibility that he is right, but i dont personally think it would be possible to find out until the day i die.

[Kurai-chan]

i enjoyed the work of dan but i do not completely believe it. I can't really blame others for believing him since the claimed facts are really intriguing and sometimes it raises questions and doubtings..

the "da vinci code" is just his opinions and insights about those controversial issues.. for example.. he assumed that the woman-like figure in the painting of last supper is a female. but that is only his opinion. Others may think that the apostle is just long-haired. it's not impossible, right? we do not have definite answer about that since we do not really know how they look like. All of us could have different interpretations about it and that's it for him.

[shiro1002]

I don't believe it!! It's just a fiction at all...

[babalonga]

Believing what fictional author Dan Brown says about history and theology is like believing actor (and high school dropout) Tom Cruise is an expert on psychiatry

[Dysdaimon]

I agree. The book itself says "Fiction" on the spine of the paperback. I think it's there for a reason. Despite this, however, the uproar in the church is ridiculously annoying. They're saying stuff like "the book is poisoning our children's minds" and "we should boycott Sony Columbia films" and so on and so forth. I find it rather stupid. It's only a book written for personal entertainment, not a novel degrading the church. I find it absolutely irrelevant whether it degrades anything or anyone really, just as long as it's a good read. I really don't see why people make such a huge deal out of it. If it offends you, don't read it!

[Biolink]

It was too confusing for me.I fell asleep numerous times reading the book.The movie put it into plainer English for me.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

Grrrrr! I really hate every religion in the world, especially catholicism!! other priests doesn't even know what the gospels in the bible mean!!!!!!! I think i would choose to be an atheist rather than having a religion!

[VampyreLord]

Ichimaru, you shouldn't say such things. Myself, maximoose666, Sarteck and (if memory seves) dragoneyes001 all have Catholic upbringings.

Seriously, I don't know how many Catholic priests you've met (I've met some annoying ones, granted) but you cannot make such massive and offensive sweeping generalisations based on your own limited experience.

[shadow_of_89]

Grrrrr! I really hate every religion in the world, especially catholicism!! other priests doesn't even know what the gospels in the bible mean!!!!!!! I think i would choose to be an atheist rather than having a religion!
C'mon really.......how can u say that......u shouldn't judge a religion after some....that is the most common mistake made....

[~black butterfly~]

although some of it are facts, we must place our attention to the the word "fiction" the book is categorized in.....it has become controversial because of the appearance of religious sects such as catholicism and opus dei....but then, after reading the book, it has made me curious about the topics there...and thus i research on it...only when i find enough evidence to support it that i believe on that certain claim....

[rukia723]

its just a movie/book, not everything in there is true...

[baakss]

It's fiction. It's not even cutting-edge fiction. This theory has been around since Before 190 AD, when it was DEBUNKED by Irenaeus in Adversus Haereses. I love how people make such a fuss about it, when it was proven wrong about 1800 years ago.

[hikari_taicho]

Well, it says in the front of the book that everything is based on true things, which is already false. The Bible--which Brown uses to enforce his points--says many things that prove his points wrong, bringing his whole arguement to the ground.
I've never read the book myself, but I read a study which a Christian preacher did on it, and I tend to agree with the preacher more.
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Grrrrr! I really hate every religion in the world, especially catholicism!! other priests doesn't even know what the gospels in the bible mean!!!!!!! I think i would choose to be an atheist rather than having a religion!
Well, although it's true that no one knows for sure what they mean, Ichimaru, that's the reason why we study it. We may not understand it all, but that's why we wait until we can ask God himself. Plus, some of the stuff in the "gospels"--which is really only Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John--is obvious, and Jesus points out the confusing things to us. Also, preachers and teachers use other parts of the Bible--besides the gospels--to prove what parts of it mean.
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Jesus had sex with some prostitute??

edit::

Compare it with the others.....

Muhammad is a prophet.

Muhammad had sex with his wives.

Muhammad's adopted son gave Muhammad his wife freely.

This is definitely my choice.
It sounds logical no? A lord you so praise to love is incapable of giving love to one of his specimens? Even if it is a pros, she is still human, and a human = child of God, what makes it any different to one who is as "Godly" as Jesus? Is Jesus incapable of making love to his children? Is Jesus so useless? To show and praise a lord who loves, yet advocates a personal disinterest in giving love? To a simple human woman?
Good point. However, a lot of Brown's theories like this one are based on false teachings. In the Bible, we are told that we are only to believe the words which are already in the Bible. It states that if one of God's angels or anyone else teach us anything different, "let him be accursed." Therefore, since it is not in the Bible, it is false doctrine and we must not believe it.

[재]

It's not real... There is just no way that it's real... I personnaly believes in god, and I do not believe this story... Haven't watched it.. but Hearing from firends about the story.. it will definitely be fake, and Im glad to see that more ppl doesn't believe that it's true.

I just hope that the world doens't believe in it too..

[MasterWordSmith]

I wouldn't put something of that importance in a public library. Nor would I call it the "secret documents" thats just retarded. If I were to put it there, I'd call it "My thoughts on composting" or something equally boring so nowon would ever pick it up.

[Ghost Bios Bane]

you are looking at the two opposites but not considering a third option which i stand on, do i believe the book no but before you think another one of those let me finish like i said their is a THIRD OPTION! Which is do i even believe in god which is also a big noooo and for further information people should look in the front of the book it does say THIS IS A FICTIONAL NOVEL

[Ghengis John]

The book, which had attracted a lot of attention before, was said to "Test your Faith... Make you think otherwise". If it were the case, if one really had this strong faith, then why worry so much over fiction?
When hitler started ranting about how jews were less than human do you think the jews believed it? The reason you need to worry about such things is that there are people gullible enough to believe any far-fetched hogwash and those people will live with their false impressions, possibly passing them onto their children.
During the Kerry-bush election of 2004 I actually heard this at the polls: "I'd sooner see a dog president then a catholic." I'm a catholic, I've spent my entire life hearing from protestants that I'm "evil" and I have to be "saved". Too often, I'll do a good deed for someone and I'll hear "you're a good person, do you go to church?" and the conversation will end with threats about how I may die tomorrow and find out how wrong I am. There is still a large current of hate and persecution in this country for catholics, don't believe it? Out of 43 presidents, there was one catholic and he was assasinated.
The fact the church has accepted evolution, and reached out to judasim, islam and even buddhissm- going so far as to grant the dahli llama asylum in rome- have only continued to drive wedges between them and churches who had traditional reasons to hate them. Brown chose an easy target for a uk/us release, even in those who don't believe the book, when you take in any information it leaves an indeliable mark upon the reader, that's why it's dangerous. Even though it only is fiction by opening up the book with "Fact", is clearly meant to create the illusion of plausibility.

[Fearful Shino]

when i saw it on posters for the movie... i was like... OMG.. it is a stupid thing and that it's just wasting money! alot of people have now gone and thought that God is just a big joke. Personally... i hate it with all my heart. :sad: :sad:

[SentByGod]

i don't dislike it..but i hate the fact that now people think christianity or other religons that have to do with that is something idiotic. i know not everyone believes it..but some do.
To those that lost faith after the book and movie came out...i believe their faith wasn't strong enough to begin with.

to tell the truth..i enjoyed the book..but it's considered fictional so anyone who thinks it's real..think again.

[Guy]

This book is absolute BS! First of all, do you believe in the fact that TWO ppl can run around ALL THRUOUT FRANCE and not get caught? France is a leading world power, no way in hell can two ppl outrun the French judicial police. Then, they make the claims such as Constantine was a pagan and not Christian. If this were the case, then ALL OF OUR HISTORY BOOKS MUST BE REWRITTEN. Did we do that? Nope. This book is classified as a fiction. Does this mean that it's real? No.

I thought they had cool thriller parts, but the plotline and philosophy REALLY SUCKED.

[Neve]

A lot of spam in here - I don't want to see any more people simply stating that they liked the book or I'll start handing out warnings.

[candyb3ar]

sorries guys but this book is "non-fiction", there is a clear warning in the beginning of this book stating that the story to follow is not truth...some facts are real but as a whole, this is just a tale...

[toxxin]

uhm, just to clarify hun, "non-fiction" means real, you mean it IS fiction :P
and yea, the movie/book is just a story, but does make reference to actual facts

[thousand sakuras]

the thing is, who cares if jesus was married? it wouldn't make sense in the catholic community because jesus did exist and its not like we would praise descendants from jesus because everyone is related. whether you think scientifically or relogiously. so if you think about it, we are all related to jesus.

[The Messenger]

Dan Brown is a very good writer, however his choice of topic pertains more to the beliefs of Christianity.

In my opinion those who reacted to the da vinci code are sadly lacking or weak in faith! I enjoyed reading the book as well as the movie but never has my faith been shaken...

that is because I believe greatly in what the Bible has to say than what a fiction book does. Put that in mind

[Sal1981]

Believe it?

It's fiction. Only difference between this book and any religious text, is the age.

[Habanero]

I think the book holds as much truth as the Bible or any other religious text. Not much that is.

I hope Jesus's life was as presented in Da Vinci code. The Bible version is utterly boring... except for the son of God part. But that ain't anything new either, the greeks came up with that long before christians :p

[nightfang]

well i think it's quite daring to write a novel that might eventually trigger a quarell in this magnitude .....actually i can't vote for this topic :eek13: .....because i can't be partial to neither of the choices but .......it seems that some of the events had took place ...

[thousand sakuras]

at the end of the book it turned out that everything was a big goose chase! it just so happened that dan brown is so obssessed with his book that he belives it actually happened...which is probably why no one will read any of his books...

[elven]

its pure fiction. ive watched the movie and at the end tom hanks said that who cares if it was true. as long as the faith is there. i truly think that whoever would think it is true is a complete idiot.

[Div]

Weeeeeeeeeeeell... let's see. Most of the "facts" that Dan Brown put in the beginning of the book were proven to be fiction, not to mention he stated very clearly in the book and on TV that it was a work of fiction, but hey, let's say it all was true.

So let's say for a moment that Jesus had a bloodline and the bloodline is still alive and well today. Well... so what? It wouldn't mean anything. Jesus was a man, nothing more. The only thing that made him special was God giving him power. When Satan tempted him up on the mountain, Jesus stated then that He couldn't do anything without God. Actually, He stated it quite a few times.

My point is Jesus was just a man. He was the son of the mortal woman Mary. He could do amazing things because God let him. His disciples could do amazing things... why? Ah, because God gave them the power to do so. THUS, a bloodline would be absolutely meaningless. Jesus could have ten children and it wouldn't mean anything because He was just another human, just like any of us.

[5000]

Like it or not! it just a story with facts!

[Div]

To be honest, you really can't even call them facts as many of them have been disproven.

[Habanero]

Actually, there are a lot facts in it. But also fiction. Why make such a huge fuss out of it anyway? Those that genuinely believe won't change their beliefs because of some book, and those that do not believe... well it's just another piece of entertainment.

[thousand sakuras]

Weeeeeeeeeeeell... let's see. Most of the "facts" that Dan Brown put in the beginning of the book were proven to be fiction, not to mention he stated very clearly in the book and on TV that it was a work of fiction, but hey, let's say it all was true.

So let's say for a moment that Jesus had a bloodline and the bloodline is still alive and well today. Well... so what? It wouldn't mean anything. Jesus was a man, nothing more. The only thing that made him special was God giving him power. When Satan tempted him up on the mountain, Jesus stated then that He couldn't do anything without God. Actually, He stated it quite a few times.

My point is Jesus was just a man. He was the son of the mortal woman Mary. He could do amazing things because God let him. His disciples could do amazing things... why? Ah, because God gave them the power to do so. THUS, a bloodline would be absolutely meaningless. Jesus could have ten children and it wouldn't mean anything because He was just another human, just like any of us.
isnt that what i said? but its good that you are following me ^^ it would be the sin of idolatry to praise this "blood line"

[Div]

Sorry, I didn't really want to read back through the pages before I posted, heh.

[VampyreLord]

This isn't really enough of a debate to be here. I think I'll move it to the Entertainment section.

<<PROCEED>>

[Rydia]

Actually, there are a lot facts in it. But also fiction. Why make such a huge fuss out of it anyway? Those that genuinely believe won't change their beliefs because of some book, and those that do not believe... well it's just another piece of entertainment.
Y'know, the exact same could be said for the Bible, by some. Heh. Yet, because of that book (taken by many to be fact, few to be fiction), some are trying to change people's beliefs. Ironic, no?

[Cheryl]

^ Not at all. Some other religions have their own religious books too, don't they? =/

[Habanero]

Y'know, the exact same could be said for the Bible, by some. Heh. Yet, because of that book (taken by many to be fact, few to be fiction), some are trying to change people's beliefs. Ironic, no?

Heh, actually I'm the kind of person who would say that about bible. I was just trying to look at the believers' point of view :p

Religions are bad m'kay...

[Rydia]

^ Not at all. Some other religions have their own religious books too, don't they? =/
And every religion I know of tries to push it onto other people. Heck, that seems to be the purpose of most religions, from what I see. XD

[VampyreLord]

What about Judaism? That's a pretty closed religion if you ask me...

[tankhunter253]

It does state somewhere i think it's at the end of the book that the some of the ideas presented are fiction and that the reader should make their own decision as to believe the message portrayed or not. My own view is that it cannot be true if you have corrupted the truth with bits of fiction.

[Sharpie_x]

I read the book and saw the movie and I like both of them, but I don't beleive in it. I don't think the book or movie or the ideas were trash I actually think they are a good point of view. And in the book it said that some of the ideas in the book are fiction. However I'm not saying it could be true or it could be false, that's for you to decide, but still I believe it is very far from being true, since there is not enough evidence (meaning evidence that is true). I like this book for it's mystery and clues, but like I said, I just don't believe in it.

[Kamy]

wow i wanted to vote not true but accidently voted true WTH. i think it's untrue.as everyone else have said it's just fiction with the sole purpose of entertaining readers nothing more.

[prized.angel]

i choose yes, because it's not that i really believe it, i'm entertained by it. That's all.

[Anime_Lover02]

I'm atheist so I don't belive in anything like that.

[5th of April]

I read the book, and i got a lot of laughs at the end, coz I actually predicted much of where it was going.
The movie was more disappointing.
For me, at least.