Paralel Universes?...Discuss

[shadow_of_89]

What do u think about paralel universes....are they real or are a way to fill up some blank pictures?

[Insight]

What do u think about paralel universes....are they real or are a way to fill up some blank pictures?

i don't think there are parrllel universes. there may be other univeses but they aren't nessecarily parrallel.
the idea of parrallel unverses is to me complete science fiction. good sci fi but sci fi none the less.
parrallel universes rely on the idea that every choice we make every possible choice is made at the exact same time but to me that completely removes the idea of choice as we may not be the actual us but mearly one version of us who made a very slightly different choice from the original and are just filling up all the possible choices for the parrallel universes making what we do predetermined.

[Random Havoc]

It's an answer we can give if at some point we can go back in time. Because if we do and change something and then if we go back to the future and it has't changed then we either manipulated a parrallel universe or even just crreated one =x But for now, no, i don't think they exist.

[Endess Wings]

they are around us!
so wow!

[layla]

perhaps there are parallel universes, but we'll never be able to cross the line because doing so will wreck the so-called space time continum and send the all the universes into chaos :)

[aI]

Lol...

Quantum Physics theorises that this sort of thing is possible...

But seriously it's like asking whether black is white...It may be possible in another dimension or a different physical plane...But all we can do is theorise about it..

Science depends on seeing the results of things in nature and then fitting in something that explains whats happening...so unless we find evidence or something ccaused by a parallel universe it's open to anyone...

There is no yes or no answer..:p

[M-50]

I believe that there are parallel universes because if you think about it black holes have to end up somewhere. They cannot keep on sucking up everything that crosses its path forever. All the energy has to go somewhere. That is why I believe that the black hole ends up to a white hole. And the white hole does the opposite of what a black hole does. Instead of sucking in everything, it releases everything that the black hole sucked in and at exactly the same rate as the material entered the black hole.
Einstein himself saw his famous 'Theory of Relativity' pinting towards an alternate universes.
Black holes that are static can only be pathways to two and only two parallel universes. In the real world black holes are not static. When you do the calculations for a spinning black hole the result is that it is a gateway to not one othere parallel universe, but to an infinite number of parallel universes - and in theory you can get to all but one from this universe.

[moppiz]

i go with rohils theory. It stands on a logical point of view.

[shadow_of_89]

I read an article a few days ago stating that the space is infinite and BC the universe is finite to fill it up u need to have an infinite number of paralel universes.....Indeed black holes are extremely dangerous maybe BC they create space time disturbances that can be used to jump in time space and paralel universes if they do exist

[Dradam]

I believe that there are paralell universes, also known as alternate realities, have you ever made a decision, and you've always wondered what would happen if you did summin' different, like in the Matrix with the red pill and the blue pill, in one reality Neo would have chosen the other pill, it makes sense to me, its easier to believe than infinity.

[Captain Hitsugaya]

I read an article a few days ago stating that the space is infinite and BC the universe is finite to fill it up u need to have an infinite number of paralel universes.....Indeed black holes are extremely dangerous maybe BC they create space time disturbances that can be used to jump in time space and paralel universes if they do exist

There is a calculation that in order to use a blackhole as a wormhole it must be connected to a whitehole, But they say that even if you reach to the horizon you might get a glimps of the other universe then it would collapse, or anything get into it would still collapse.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Worm3.jpg/350px-Worm3.jpg
-wikipedia.org

[AznPoi]

Um, ever heard of the theory that each time we have to make a decision a parallel universe is created? Like one will be if you decided to do it while the other is if you didn't do it?

I dunno, just wondering if you guys heard of it.

[Cassie]

Parallel universe is a lot like time travelling.

It would be easy to explain many things if it did exist, but we can't prove that it does exist. Personally, I won't believe that it does exist until it's been proven or until there's at least a good reason to believe it. Also, whether it exists or not doesn't really matter to me.

[Vlad]

By Quantum Physics it's possible that they exist.
There is many theories of that kind.
For example atoms in owe universe vibrate on it's own frequence. If we change that vibration frequence we will be in some other universe.

[MazdaRxEight]

It's an answer we can give if at some point we can go back in time.

To go back in time is impossible because... *flexes hand* :LOL:
Time is a "ray" that only goes forward and not backwards, thus only traveling to the future is possible. ^^

According to Einstein... as something goes to a very high speed... say light, the time passage slows down for the object traveling at that speed while everything else remains the same. For example at the speed of light your incriment of time is reduced to 0.5 while the rest is still on the incriment of 1.0. Therefore you can go to the future by slowing the passage of time around yourself and wait until the rest of the universe advances into the future.

But to go back in time is impossible... since it is a "ray" imo... :rolleye09 whats happened has happened so you cant go back and change it.

Going back to parallel universes... I would 100% support this idea if and only if... that alternate world was a world of..... ANIME :redbiggri :LOL:

[Vlad]

To go back in time is impossible because... *flexes hand* :LOL:
Time is a "ray" that only goes forward and not backwards, thus only traveling to the future is possible. ^^

According to Einstein... as something goes to a very high speed... say light, the time passage slows down for the object traveling at that speed while everything else remains the same. For example at the speed of light your incriment of time is reduced to 0.5 while the rest is still on the incriment of 1.0. Therefore you can go to the future by slowing the passage of time around yourself and wait until the rest of the universe advances into the future.

But to go back in time is impossible... since it is a "ray" imo... :rolleye09 whats happened has happened so you cant go back and change it.

Going back to parallel universes... I would 100% support this idea if and only if... that alternate world was a world of..... ANIME :redbiggri :LOL:
Anime parallel universe that would be awesome.

[Ciel]

Anime parallel universe that would be awesome.

um....yeah....but there isnt.

anyways, as most people know, there are 3 dimensions. there is a lesser (well, maybe not) dimension: TIME. if there are different times, there are diffrent parrallel universes. (according to scientists, about 11 parrallel universes exist, but they are all based on different decisions in life. for EX: i choose to make a glass of chocolate milk. in a parrallel universe, i choose to drink orange juice. i get sick later, but in the parralell universe, i dont becuase i drank orange juice.)
Also, Einstein theoried that if a person was able to survive going though a wormhole, they might end up in a parrallel universe as a wormhole twists around.

[Draffut]

I believe that there are parallel universes because if you think about it black holes have to end up somewhere. They cannot keep on sucking up everything that crosses its path forever. All the energy has to go somewhere. That is why I believe that the black hole ends up to a white hole. And the white hole does the opposite of what a black hole does. Instead of sucking in everything, it releases everything that the black hole sucked in and at exactly the same rate as the material entered the black hole.
Einstein himself saw his famous 'Theory of Relativity' pinting towards an alternate universes.
Black holes that are static can only be pathways to two and only two parallel universes. In the real world black holes are not static. When you do the calculations for a spinning black hole the result is that it is a gateway to not one othere parallel universe, but to an infinite number of parallel universes - and in theory you can get to all but one from this universe.

You obviously have no idea what the Theory of Relativity is. Also, you knowledge of Black Holes is severly lacking. I think thats all that needs to be said.

[MazdaRxEight]

I believe that there are parallel universes because if you think about it black holes have to end up somewhere. They cannot keep on sucking up everything that crosses its path forever. All the energy has to go somewhere. That is why I believe that the black hole ends up to a white hole. And the white hole does the opposite of what a black hole does. Instead of sucking in everything, it releases everything that the black hole sucked in and at exactly the same rate as the material entered the black hole.
Einstein himself saw his famous 'Theory of Relativity' pinting towards an alternate universes.
Black holes that are static can only be pathways to two and only two parallel universes. In the real world black holes are not static. When you do the calculations for a spinning black hole the result is that it is a gateway to not one othere parallel universe, but to an infinite number of parallel universes - and in theory you can get to all but one from this universe.

Black Hole + White Hole = A nice wormhole/tunnel that leads to an alternate universe... BUT

It is also said that IF someone is able to go to the other side, they will only have a glimpse before the passage way collapses... and what happens from there... iono, but i hope you become an anime version of yourself :doindadom :biggrinlo :musak:

Here is a little quote from Einstein himself to help you guys understand relativity in a quick fashion.

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it
seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an
hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S
relativity." -Albert Einstein

[Skexis365]

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[Minami Ikki]

I'm guessing there sure is a possibility of an INFINITE amount of parallel universes. For every decision we make, there's always the one you choose and the one (or those) you didn't. Saying the question is "What school do you want to go to?"

and you reply "Harvard" you could end up to be...lets say. The next albert einstein but with better hair, and probably not jewish.

but then in the parallel universe your answer was NOT to go to college and in that universe you're a bum.

or you could just as well be a girl in a parallel universe XD

Wait...It could as well be in our heads since we are able to predict the outcome of some choices..sometimes..Doesn't work for me though XD

[M-50]

You obviously have no idea what the Theory of Relativity is. Also, you knowledge of Black Holes is severly lacking. I think thats all that needs to be said.
Einstein himself saw his famous 'Theory of Relativity' pinting towards an alternate universes.
Actually my quote was taken from a book. The book is called 'Alien Contact by Herbie Brennan' If you want you can get the book and check. If you go to page 140 and near the top it say's exactly that.
The exact quote is
''Many scientists don't like the idea of an alternative universe. Einstein himself saw that his famous Theory of Relativity might point towards one but tended towards the belief that there was a flaw in his calculations. All the same he had the courage to publish his findings in 1935. The paper was co-authored by Nathan Rosen. It highlighted something unexpected.
The calculations of Einstein and Rosen showed every black hole had to be paired with a white hole, an area of space in which matter and light were spewed out at the same rate as matter and light entered the black hole.
The problem was, the corresonding white hole could not exist in this universe. It was backto back with the black hole and had to be elsewhere - in another, seperate reality. The crossover point between the black hole on this side and the white hole on the other side became known as the Einstein-Rosen bridge.''
I assume that you must have heard of the Einstein-Rosen bridge before, and if you have then you will know that what I have written is correct.

[Dekuben]

Parallel universes could exist outside of the universe. I mean, something has to exist there.

[Captain Hitsugaya]

Parallel universe will exist when we can harness the ability to travel near light speed or beyond it, It would be a yesterday news when that happens.

Utilizing Negative energy repelling gravity will open up ways to defies a blackhole's super massive gravity that sucks up even light.

[Daeruke]

black holes aren't really passage ways to my opinion. they are like magnets with a compresser. thats all. i think that there is only 1 universe. see the "uni"? and being einstein dont make him right, just smart. white holes are just imaginary things to solve a equation, just like 0

[Captain Hitsugaya]

Yes I agree muti-Universe will be confusing. But what explains other dimensions? Scientists are finding ways to know more about 2nd dimension already.

Linky
http://www.livescience.com/technology/060601_lost_dimension.html

[frouella]

Argh, I wish I remembered all the details, but I recently read an article about how Stephen Hawking made a bet w/some other physicist re: black holes creating worm holes to another universe where they were seen as white holes. Hawking was for the theory, the other scientist was against. Turns out Hawking had to buy the other guy a year's subscription to Playboy b/c he (Hawking) was wrong. According to the latest findings, the whole wormhole thing has been pretty much disproven, as most of the matter and energy going into a black hole gets spewed out in a jet-like stream perpendicular to the plane of the black hole (visible when measured w/x-rays). These jets may in turn help bring about new stars, since pretty much every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at its center.

The big thing I've been hearing about lately concerns string theory, which I don't even pretend to understand yet, but it sounded like scientists are now thinking that there are an infinite number of dimensions sort of wrapped around our three (or four, if you count time) dimensions, or something like that.

I'll have to do some more reading to get a better grasp on the whole thing, but suffice to say that the black hole/white hole/wormhole thing has been pretty much killed. And that the idea of physicists reading Playboy is pretty damn funny! :LOL:

[Tokoyami]

Argh, I wish I remembered all the details, but I recently read an article about how Stephen Hawking made a bet w/some other physicist re: black holes creating worm holes to another universe where they were seen as white holes. Hawking was for the theory, the other scientist was against. Turns out Hawking had to buy the other guy a year's subscription to Playboy b/c he (Hawking) was wrong. According to the latest findings, the whole wormhole thing has been pretty much disproven, as most of the matter and energy going into a black hole gets spewed out in a jet-like stream perpendicular to the plane of the black hole (visible when measured w/x-rays). These jets may in turn help bring about new stars, since pretty much every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at its center.
The big thing I've been hearing about lately concerns string theory, which I don't even pretend to understand yet, but it sounded like scientists are now thinking that there are an infinite number of dimensions sort of wrapped around our three (or four, if you count time) dimensions, or something like that.
I'll have to do some more reading to get a better grasp on the whole thing, but suffice to say that the black hole/white hole/wormhole thing has been pretty much killed. And that the idea of physicists reading Playboy is pretty damn funny! :LOL:


O, when i read about string theory, i remember it being about how there are the 3D that we live in, then another set of 3D parallel to our own, a very short distance "next" to us. then 4 more Demensions that seperate the two.

Is that wrong? (ima go read it and come back with what my article has on it.)

[Draffut]

Actually my quote was taken from a book. The book is called 'Alien Contact by Herbie Brennan' If you want you can get the book and check. If you go to page 140 and near the top it say's exactly that.
The exact quote is
''Many scientists don't like the idea of an alternative universe. Einstein himself saw that his famous Theory of Relativity might point towards one but tended towards the belief that there was a flaw in his calculations. All the same he had the courage to publish his findings in 1935. The paper was co-authored by Nathan Rosen. It highlighted something unexpected.
The calculations of Einstein and Rosen showed every black hole had to be paired with a white hole, an area of space in which matter and light were spewed out at the same rate as matter and light entered the black hole.
The problem was, the corresonding white hole could not exist in this universe. It was backto back with the black hole and had to be elsewhere - in another, seperate reality. The crossover point between the black hole on this side and the white hole on the other side became known as the Einstein-Rosen bridge.''
I assume that you must have heard of the Einstein-Rosen bridge before, and if you have then you will know that what I have written is correct.

I would be very intersted in checkign out the book. and i have heard of it in passing, but never looked into the bridge theory before. It seams that thier evidence is that the matter has to go somewhere? but i dont see why, especially with what advancement we have in our reaserch of black holes in the last 70 years. The matter doesn't have to go anywhere. It just gets sucked up into one singular piece, and it grows stronger. Also, this begs the quesion, do Black holes only exist in this dimension, or do we have both black and white? Also, if we onyl do have black, what will happen once all the matter in this dimension is "spewed" into the other one? will our's cease to exist? Also, how does this work into haveing more then 2 dimensions.

[Dekuben]

Wait a minute, the whole black hole theory needs to be accomadated by the idea of the universe expanding or shrinking!

I f the universe is expanding then maybe it will accomadate for the new matter that the black holes will ultimately create.

If it is shrinking then surely the black holles will merge and create a second big bang.

What would happen if two black hole tried to suck each other up?

[shadow_of_89]

in theory depends.....if 2 black holes eat eachother they will nulify i guess.....
matter will not be created....it's just transformed....black holes eat matter and then release the excess to have a certain balance....

[frouella]

The black holes release the energy through the jets that I mentioned a few posts ago. And technically, Dekuben, black holes aren't a theory; they've been found at the center of nearly every galaxy. The expanding/static/shrinking universe question really doesn't have much impact on this, since it would only determine if the black holes were moving outward/static/moving closer together in relation to position. Their basic existence isn't affected.

[Hattori]

Hm..my quantum physics class three years ago mentioned the possible existence of "parallel" universes. It's all very counterintuitive and confusing stuff, but the nitty-gritty is that every time an electron chooses a path (in its orbit), an existing universe splits into two causal verses, one in which the electron has chosen the "right" path, and one where it has chosen the "left" path. Of course, with the staggering number of splits this would induce, the number of parallel universes quickly grows beyond human comprehension - after all, we can't even fathom the depth of one universe, let alone quintillions.

[frouella]

Hm..my quantum physics class three years ago mentioned the possible existence of "parallel" universes. It's all very counterintuitive and confusing stuff, but the nitty-gritty is that every time an electron chooses a path (in its orbit), an existing universe splits into two causal verses, one in which the electron has chosen the "right" path, and one where it has chosen the "left" path. Of course, with the staggering number of splits this would induce, the number of parallel universes quickly grows beyond human comprehension - after all, we can't even fathom the depth of one universe, let alone quintillions.
Is this the theory where the verses exist just slightly out of phase with each other? Is this related to string theory? I'm still a little sketchy about this part.

[Hattori]

Yes to the first, possibly to the second. As I said, it was three years ago, so I wouldn't know of any newer developments.

[Lex]

Okay...I gave this some thought so hear me out.
We know that 1 st dimension is nothing more than a theory but can be represented as a dot.
2nd dimension is obviously a line, dots joined or other lines joined, no depth.
3rd dimension is lines, dots and depth, giving us the 3d effect we love so much.
4th dimension is supposed to be time. Flowinging either forward or backwards.
Then what the heck are beyond that? Is there anything beyond that? And if there is will it one day help us time travel? Or help us go through those nasty black holes?
In put?

[aI]

http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php

Dejavu.....

Yes dimensions exist in theory...it hasn't been proven in practice though because it's currently beyond us..

[Lex]

http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
Dejavu.....
Yes dimensions exist in theory...it hasn't been proven in practice though because it's currently beyond us..
But only 1st and 4th haven't been proved. 2D and 3D have to exist...if it didn't we wouldn't exist.

[aI]

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=14194

And also the question you just said...about 2D and 3D having to exist because then otherwise we wouldn't exist is another debate in the factor of is any of this real..

Are we all jsut figments of our imaginations and what not..

The only truth to what we see is what our mind translates from our eyes our touch our hearing and our tasting and smelling ..all of this is translated in the brain into our subconcious...but what if it is just our minds playing tricks on us..in which case each of us live in our own secular universe where only we are the real things and where everything else is merly a construct created by our minds..

[Delta]

But only 1st and 4th haven't been proved. 2D and 3D have to exist...if it didn't we wouldn't exist.

The first 3 dimentions, lets call them length, width and depth, can be thought of as "space" the 4th is considered "time", and without "space" there wouldnt be much point to time, and vice-versa, at least thats how i see it. Some people think there are other dimentions but they're just so small we dont notice them, though visualizing that is confusing at best, try imagining a cube getting bigger in a way that didnt change it's length, width, or depth, hurts your head huh?

[Jinzu]

well, there actually should be,
without parallel universes there is only 1 way,
that means that we never make choices ;)

[Jinzu]

And also the question you just said...about 2D and 3D having to exist because then otherwise we wouldn't exist is another debate in the factor of is any of this real..
Are we all jsut figments of our imaginations and what not..
The only truth to what we see is what our mind translates from our eyes our touch our hearing and our tasting and smelling ..all of this is translated in the brain into our subconcious...but what if it is just our minds playing tricks on us..in which case each of us live in our own secular universe where only we are the real things and where everything else is merly a construct created by our minds..
Like you said,
dimensions don't have to exist,
Here's an example:
Think of the world as an gigantic internet stream,
our senses are now, a screen, the boxes and our fingers...
you see the world, you can hear the world, and you can feel the world...
but is there a world?
the whole system exists out of mere electronical waves with data in them,
try imagening the internet world,
it's just a network, nothing more, nothing less.
that would mean the world exist out of waves.
and simply nothing more.

[Vlad]

Hm..my quantum physics class three years ago mentioned the possible existence of "parallel" universes. It's all very counterintuitive and confusing stuff, but the nitty-gritty is that every time an electron chooses a path (in its orbit), an existing universe splits into two causal verses, one in which the electron has chosen the "right" path, and one where it has chosen the "left" path. Of course, with the staggering number of splits this would induce, the number of parallel universes quickly grows beyond human comprehension - after all, we can't even fathom the depth of one universe, let alone quintillions.
I heard this in my calss too. It's like electron moves in many direction simultaneously which basically means each way it's moves, it's like in different universe. Hard to explain. It's like electron moves in every direction but we (in owe universe) we notice only one direction movement of electron. Damn it's even harder to explain it English. LOL

[phantom_ko]

I think that this question of a parallel universe puts you in the same kind of situation where people ask if there is God, both of these questions cannot be answered by us at the moment and i dont think that I will ever find out.

:D There may or there may not...

[grieversangel]

I have this friend who has assigned me and other dementions. I'm in charge of the 3rd so i have to believe they exist.

[M-50]

:D There may or there may not...
But for some people there is more inclination that there is. I will get you some examples later on in my next post.

[Wolfman Walt]

I've always been of the personal theory that Dark Matter is actually the substance of other dimensions but for some reason has enough effect on this dimension to make up the other 90% of substance in the universe that we can't acount for and which holds the universes together. But there's no real evidence about that. As someone said, this is all just personal conjecture.

[James Cizuz]

Hm..my quantum physics class three years ago mentioned the possible existence of "parallel" universes. It's all very counterintuitive and confusing stuff, but the nitty-gritty is that every time an electron chooses a path (in its orbit), an existing universe splits into two causal verses, one in which the electron has chosen the "right" path, and one where it has chosen the "left" path. Of course, with the staggering number of splits this would induce, the number of parallel universes quickly grows beyond human comprehension - after all, we can't even fathom the depth of one universe, let alone quintillions.
Thats called quamtum immortality. It doesn't nessecarly have to do with electrons, but decessions, of probabilty, and everytime an action happens, the action we continue to see is what we keep, then another universe is created which has the other possiblity has happened instead. E.g a scientist wants to try an experiment in quamtum immortality, he takes a gun, rigs it to a 50/50 trigger, 49.99987% it's gunna shoot you, 49.99985% it's not, and the rest is for "failing to fire over a dude bullet or other, for this we'll just keep it at 50/50" once it pulls the trigger, if the scientist is shot in the head and dies, another universe is sprung in which he lived, and vice versa. All the time theirs a theory for your experience will always be the positive one, and not the negative. Thats where the immortality comes in, if it keeps going, eventually you will live forever in one universe, because theirs always a persentage on which you will live, and die, from every action you take.

[Rayster]

I recently saw this documentary on String theory which proves that there should be ELEVEN dimensions...freaky eh

[SolBeowulf19]

I believe there are. I can't state scientific facts for it, but I believe that there are other universes as well as other planes of existence. Anime's, books, novels, who's to say that they were created when they were made up in the mind of the author\authress.
Or, a thought I had a few days ago: One of the concepts of buddhism is that all things are clear in existence. Meaning that nothing really exists the way we see it, we merely see it that way. Now, if you go down a bit deeper, then one could say that nothing exists. That our, sub-concious mind, makes up the world we live in and it is God. If we are God in this world, then there would be other worlds where people could be "God" in. Or something like that.

[Habanero]

Just wanted to ´say something about the blackholes... Blackholes aren't actually eternal or somesuch. Most of them of course absorb matter all the time, but they also diminish all the time due to a process called Hawking's radiation. At some point the diminishing becomes a greater factor than the absorbing, and the blackhole starts to diminish. It's a bit complicated to explain really, but you just have to trust me on this. Blackholes disappear eventually (It takes verrrry long time though).

Because blackholes just compress all the matter they absorb, before they start to lose particles due to Hawking's radiation, I find it very unlikely that they could lead to some sort of parallel universe.

[M-50]

Like I said I would get you proof, phantom_ko, here it is.
''The calculations of Einstein and Rosen showed every black hole had to be paired with a white hole, an are of space in which matter and light were spewed out at the same rate as matter and light entered the black hole.
The problem was that the corresponding white hole could not exist in this universe. It was back to back with the black hole and had to be elsewhere - in another, seperate reality. The crossover pint between the black hole on this side and the white hold on the other side became known as an Einstein-Rosen bridge.
Worse was to come. The idea that there are two (and only two) parallel universes arises out of the calculation based on a static black hole. In the real world, black holes aren't static. Black holes are made from stars; and stars (most of them) spin on their axes. This must mean a black hole must be spinning too.
when you make the calculations for a spinning black hole (as the Australian physicist Roy P. Kerr did) you get a different result. A spinning black hole is the gateway not to one other paraller universe, but to an infinite number of paraller universes - and in theory you can get to all but one of them from this universe.''

[athenaofstarlite]

Parellel universes existing is a pretty safe bet, actually.

"The first and simplest idea involves a basic assumption: that space is infinite and always expanding. Saying that space is infinite seems counter-intuitive to some people: after all, if there was indeed a big bang and the universe has been expanding ever since, then it can only expand so fast, so far. In practice, though, we can only see the universe expand by measuring how far we can see in the first place. Based on the speed of the light and the age of the universe, we can say that the “universe” (the one that matters to us and can affect us) is only what we can see, everything within a radius of about 78 billion light-years.

"Space doesn’t end just 78 billion light-years away, though. Some people think it just wraps around, so that if you keep going in one direction, eventually you end up where you started. However, one theory speculates that instead, outside of the bubble of our observable universe, there’s another universe, parallel to our own. In fact, if you say there’s infinite space, there can’t be just one parallel universe. There should be (you’re going to love this phrase) infinitely many. " - BridgetotheStars.Net

[Rayster]

i think the best proof of parallel universes and big bang is String theory, which also explains the big bang, saying that there could be more than one big bang - that it was no big deal and that "big bangs" occur regularly because of the colliding 'strings' of the parrallel universes. It's just that our perception of time is around 100 years for anything really major cos that's our lifetime, which is y our brains can't comprehend the length of *squillions* of years, and how regularly big bangs occur.

According to the String *theory* we can't travel to the other universes because they're in a different dimension, so we'll never know what exists there.
However there's been research behind a proton or something that's really small that operates to the opposite of gravity, because it apparently getting "hits" or the like from a different dimension.
if we could harness those "hits" we could prob get a step further into trying to travel to the parallel universes, which again, according to String theory, says they exist for sure.

has any1 else heard about this, and could give the proper names to the proton or that theory or watever...back me up :)

srry for the long post ^^

[Habanero]

"A spinning black hole is the gateway not to one other paraller universe, but to an infinite number of paraller universes - and in theory you can get to all but one of them from this universe.''

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this line? Or was this a scientific conclusion at all? =P

I understand that the discovery of the spinning blackholes is possibly a great asset while researching the gravitational waves. But to me that quoted sentence doesn't make any sense :rolleye09

I'm interested in space and stuff, so could you paste the url or something where you got that one?

[Rayster]

hmmm...yeah i don't quite get it either but what i think he meant was that out of all the spinning black holes (not just one) it can lead to other universes. ALthough that last line is... weird.
why all but one?
theoretically if its possible to travel to one shouldn't it be possible to travel to the other. becasue in this case you would think order wouldn't matter - as in which one u travel to first.
ie/ if there were universes x, y and z
and u travelled to x and y, does that mean u can't travel to z according to that theory.
but wat if u travelled to y and z? z is accessible now and x is not. but u could travel there before...

[Habanero]

Heh, this is getting maybe a bit too theoretical. Well, the thread is kinda asking for it really... What makes it even more theoretical is that nothing can approach blackholes, except single particles. Every object that gets past the event horizon will be torn apart due to "tide phenomena" (that's how I would translate it from finnish to english, dunno if it's a valid translation), thus making it impossible to send anything there.

Traveling into/through a blackhole would require for the object to be sent as energy burst which would contain the information of the object. That is just way beyond humankind. Even harder thing to do would be to materialize again once the object has reached...something...?

[M-50]

Well Habanero and Arrn-Car_Byakuya, what the last sentance meant was this.
If we could find a way to travel through black holes then we could travel to all the other parallel universes apart from this one. That is what the
''all but one of them'' is talking about.
Traveling into/through a blackhole would require for the object to be sent as energy burst which would contain the information of the object. That is just way beyond humankind. Even harder thing to do would be to materialize again once the object has reached...something...?
Well according to the other's to travel through a black hole, your ship would have to be a certain shape otherwise it would not last the pressure and stress placed upon it, and that shape would have to be something similar to a sausage. (The shape of the ship stuff is a theoretical theory made up by some scientists, so you can't say that ''rohil said it was real and it isn't'')
So if we could do that then we could travel into the black hole to materialize again once the object has reached...something? and reappear through the white hole in the other parallel universe. This is all theoritcal of course, there is no way we can do that now or in the near future unless we have some major discoveries in the physics field.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this line? Or was this a scientific conclusion at all? =P
I'm interested in space and stuff, so could you paste the url or something where you got that one?
I got this from a book actually and I will tell you the title and the authors name when I edit this post, probably tomorrow. I like you am interested in space and how the universe works.
EDIT: Habanero, the book is called Alien Contact and is part of a series called 'Talking Point' and is written by Herbie Brennan.

[Habanero]

Thanks for clearance.

I got this from a book actually and I will tell you the title and the authors name when I edit this post, probably tomorrow. I like you am interested in space and how the universe works.

Looking forward to that. :winking56

I'm afraid the info you got on the "going through" part is somewhat lacking though, so let's update it a bit. =) Blackholes have even more massive gravitational force than neutron stars. And there isn't any material, no matter the shape, that could withstand the gravitational force of a neutron star. The force is so huge, or actually it's fluctuation between different parts of the object, that it literally rips the object to atoms and beyond. That's why they call them neutron stars, because they have dissolved the atom structure itself and there's not much left but a big ball of neutrons (little amounts of protons and electrons and stuff, but because of some reaction I can't at the moment remember accurately, mainly neutrons) spinning around. The density is of course huge also, 1dm^3 weighs approx. 10*10^10 kg's (1000 000 000 000kg's).

Now considering that a blackhole's density, size and thus gravity force is even bigger than of neutron star's, it's highly unlikely that anything solid is ever gonna get through it.

[M-50]

Thanks for clearance.
Looking forward to that. :winking56
I'm afraid the info you got on the "going through" part is somewhat lacking though, so let's update it a bit. =) Blackholes have even more massive gravitational force than neutron stars. And there isn't any material, no matter the shape, that could withstand the gravitational force of a neutron star. The force is so huge, or actually it's fluctuation between different parts of the object, that it literally rips the object to atoms and beyond. That's why they call them neutron stars, because they have dissolved the atom structure itself and there's not much left but a big ball of neutrons (little amounts of protons and electrons and stuff, but because of some reaction I can't at the moment remember accurately, mainly neutrons) spinning around. The density is of course huge also, 1dm^3 weighs approx. 10*10^10 kg's (1000 000 000 000kg's).
Now considering that a blackhole's density, size and thus gravity force is even bigger than of neutron star's, it's highly unlikely that anything solid is ever gonna get through it.
Yes sorry I mixed that bit about going through a black hole up with a tipler cylinder. No you are right, even scientists don't think about trying to figure out what you will be like when you arrive out of the black hole, if you do.

Blackholes have even more massive gravitational force than neutron stars.
Yes and that is why they are known as black holes, because not even light can escape. Although you already knew that of course. But if you could travel through black holes and you reappeared out of a white hole, then you would have trouble finding the universe you just came out of, because the black hole rotates and therefore it is a gateway to an infinite amount of parallel universes. So by the time you found your own universe, you could be dead for about a million years because of the amount of parallel universes that you have to check.

[Habanero]

Yeah, if one could ever travel to the "other side", the chance of getting back to your own universe is...well...very very small. Actually 1 out of infinity :rolleye09

A science article I once read had a theory which took the whole concept of parallel universe to a whole new level. The first part of it is the known case of every choice resulting in parallel universe where that particular choice has been done other way.

Now all these infinte amount of universes allready created belong to their own "group" and is accompanied by infinite amounts of other groups which have completely different laws of physics. Or they don't apply at all. These formed a new, obviously infinitely bigger "group" of their own.

And again that group is surrounded by others, where there are different amounts of dimensions of space (width, lenght, depth) and time. It's quite interesting trying to imagine how time could advance in two or three dimensions as space does in our universe. :winking56

Oh, well that went maybe too far already, but maybe someone finds that amusing :redbiggri

[Z-man]

Yes there probably is because their has got to be another end of the Black Hole. When you arrive to the other side of the Black Hole your will probably be crushed to death already but its still there. While you enter the hole some otehr version of you will have entered another.

There are probably lots of yous that are everywhere each in the same story lien in there life but as a different character. When one of us dies our energy would probably be divided equaly into the rest of the "yous". Of Course for that to happen one of the "yous" would have to have gone through a Black Hole and survived then murdered another one in another universe which would be inpossible.

That is what I beleive !!!

[Habanero]

Blackhole isn't a hole really. That's a bit misleading name though. It's just another ball like all the stars and planets. It's just named "hole" because you can't see it. It's gravital force is greater than the velocity of light, so it absorbs any matter/radiation that comes close to it. That's why we can't see or detect it, and that's why it's named Blackhole. It's a ball of matter, which is way beyond our knowledge at the moment.

But even blackholes obey the laws of physics. If our sun was suddenly turned into a blackhole of the same mass, it wouldn't affect the planets of our solar system the slightest, apart from killing all life on earth... But earth would still be happily orbiting around it like nothing had happened. :rolleye09

[M-50]

That's why we can't see or detect it, and that's why it's named Blackhole. It's a ball of matter, which is way beyond our knowledge at the moment.
Actually we can detect it using Hawking Radiation and observing the surrounding of a suspected black hole. For example if there is a black hole about 1 million kilometers away from a proto-star, and 1 year later the distance has shortened to 500,000 kilometers, then we know that there is a black hole.
But earth would still be happily orbiting around it like nothing had happened. :rolleye09
HUH? When our sun becomes a white dwarf the gravatational force that it will exert, will consume all of the planets until the asteroid belt, so howcomes if our sun becomes a black hole will earth still be here?

[Habanero]

Actually we can detect it using Hawking Radiation and observing the surrounding of a suspected black hole.

I know we can make a possible detection of a blackhole. I was talking about the hawking's radiation earlier on page ?(something). Maybe "detect" was a bit bad choice of word. What i meant is that we can't possibly know anything that's beyond the event horizon.

HUH? When our sun becomes a white dwarf the gravatational force that it will exert, will consume all of the planets until the asteroid belt, so howcomes if our sun becomes a black hole will earth still be here?

Now you didn't read my post correctly. Our sun cannot turn into blackhole because it's too light. When our sun comes to the end of it's lifespan, it will expand to somewhere between earth and mars, because of the inner pressure which is created when the fusion process becomes impossible due to lack of helium. Ofcourse it consumes everything on it's way... And as you said, it becomes a white dwarf after that.

Now to the part that you didn't read properly: If the sun would suddenly transfom/turn into Blackhole (not ofcourse by any natural means, because it is impossible for a star that small), in other words, shrink so much that it would exceed it's own Schwarzschild's radius, it wouldn't have any effect on the surrounding objects' orbits. Though any law of physics probably ceases to apply inside the event horizon, they're very applicable outside it.

It was just an example to clear the false images of a blackhole being some sort "hole". You just had a "slight" misunderstanding with my example :redbiggri

[Ollson]

Logically, there should be an infinite ammount of universes, 1 for each possible scenario for everything.
Although travelling from 1 to another through black holes are most likely not possible.
Because a black hole is not a hole.
It simply just looks like a hole.

@Z-man, lol, that's taken from the movie "the one".

[M-50]

Now you didn't read my post correctly. Our sun cannot turn into blackhole because it's too light. When our sun comes to the end of it's lifespan, it will expand to somewhere between earth and mars, because of the inner pressure which is created when the fusion process becomes impossible due to lack of helium. Ofcourse it consumes everything on it's way... And as you said, it becomes a white dwarf after that.

Now to the part that you didn't read properly: If the sun would suddenly transfom/turn into Blackhole (not ofcourse by any natural means, because it is impossible for a star that small), in other words, shrink so much that it would exceed it's own Schwarzschild's radius, it wouldn't have any effect on the surrounding objects' orbits. Though any law of physics probably ceases to apply inside the event horizon, they're very applicable outside it.

It was just an example to clear the false images of a blackhole being some sort "hole". You just had a "slight" misunderstanding with my example :redbiggri
Oh sorry, and now I understand what you were trying to say.

When our sun comes to the end of it's lifespan, it will expand to somewhere between earth and mars, because of the inner pressure which is created when the fusion process becomes impossible due to lack of helium.
From what I have learnt, our sun won't expand that far, though it will expand. I learnt that it will expand and because of the increase in size and mass, the gpe (gravitational potention energy) will also increase, and this increase in gpe will result in all the planets until the asteroid belt (mercury, venus, earth, mars) having their orbits altered. The altered orbits will result in them spiralling into the sun.

Because a black hole is not a hole.
It simply just looks like a hole.
Actually no one knows that. We cannot 'see' black holes, we can only detect them. And detecting them, last time I saw, does not mean being able to physically see them. But from logic a black hole is a singularity created by the enormous amount of ge (gravitational energy) exerted is so much that neutrons are crushed. They then become so small because of the ge exerted that they are now quarks. It does not stop ther they are made into even smaller particles, and then the ge is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomuch that everything including light is trapped, (only if it goes past the event horizon that is.)

[Ollson]

Actually no one knows that. We cannot 'see' black holes, we can only detect them. And detecting them, last time I saw, does not mean being able to physically see them. But from logic a black hole is a singularity created by the enormous amount of ge (gravitational energy) exerted is so much that neutrons are crushed. They then become so small because of the ge exerted that they are now quarks. It does not stop ther they are made into even smaller particles, and then the ge is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomuch that everything including light is trapped, (only if it goes past the event horizon that is.)

I actually know what a black hole is.
But in theory, it looks like a hole because since it pulls in light, it's simply just a black circle.
Which is why i said it simply looks like a hole.

[Habanero]

I learnt that it will expand and because of the increase in size and mass, the gpe (gravitational potention energy) will also increase, and this increase in gpe will result in all the planets until the asteroid belt (mercury, venus, earth, mars) having their orbits altered. The altered orbits will result in them spiralling into the sun.

I can't be entirely sure about this, since this subject was on a class I had a year ago. But as far as I remember, the mass won't change because it would need to absorb some actual matter equal to the mass growth. And because the mass is the defining factor when talking about gravity, it shouldn't affect the orbits in any way.

About the surface's expanding I'm pretty sure. I can't be arsed to dig up the book we used, but it's related to the sun not being able to continue the fusion anymore, because it lacks atoms that are light enough. It raises the inner pressure and that is why the surface starts to expand.

I gotta check this at some point... :rolleye09

[shadow_of_89]

Blach hole=singularity with immense mass created by the implosion of a super-red-gigantic.....his gravity is so large that it can deviate and suck in light....we cannot see it but we can observe it Bc it creates huge alterations to time and space around it.....concerning the sun's end....the nuclear fusion will stop in the core and will start at the exterior due to the fact that in that portion light atoms(hydrogen) are plenty .....and the sun will expand create a red gigantic....at some point it will come to a collapse and it wil eject it's exterior shells ...it will become a small white mass that still lights....and in the end it will become dark:D

[shadow_of_89]

depending on the point of view the string theory suggests 10,11 and 26(bosonic theory) dimensions...the extra dimensions were based on the fact that although fotons have energy but do not have mass so the photon string should have a 10,11,26 dimension component that's basically it....

[Fect]

Merging with "Parallel Universes" as they are discussing near the same thing.

[dragoneyes001]

there is a theory thats pretty popular about parallel universes where our solar system is but an atom among a much larger universe and each of our atoms is a seperate solar system of a smaller universe and that in each direction is an infinity of increasing or decreasing in size number of universes exists because the atoms of one is the solar system of another.

[Jack Van Burace]

Ok, I see this debate is very rich and interesting, so I'll add one question I think to be relevant: If the paralel universes are paralel (meaning they never meet each other, like paralel lines), then what changes in our life to have or not this paralel universes existing?

I'm not trying to say this debate is useless or anything. It's a genuine question, since you guys are so into the facts, just tryed thinking outside the box. I'm just trying to give the debate a little spin and see what happens ^^

So, what's the point of going through all this to find out about these universes? Does it have a religious meaning?

[M-50]

Ok, I see this debate is very rich and interesting, so I'll add one question I think to be relevant: If the paralel universes are paralel (meaning they never meet each other, like paralel lines), then what changes in our life to have or not this paralel universes existing?

I'm not trying to say this debate is useless or anything. It's a genuine question, since you guys are so into the facts, just tryed thinking outside the box. I'm just trying to give the debate a little spin and see what happens ^^

So, what's the point of going through all this to find out about these universes? Does it have a religious meaning?
Well for one thing, some people think that in this universe you can decide to get married at 20 and love a girl, and in another parallel universe at exactly the same time you could decide not to get married and break a girls heart. Also I know this sounds unrealistic but in the future if our technology advances enough to the point that we can travel through black holes, (hab knows what I am talking about) then we would end up in a parallel universe. So then our lives would change because we would be in another universe with another one of ourselves.

[Jack Van Burace]

But then again, if we never search for them, we will never be in touch, and then, knowing of them or not won't be relevant. Paralel universes are the kind of thing that will only matter if we make it matter. If we don't, they won't. That not counting the fact they might not even exist, lol! If we ever cross into another dimension, then that dimension won't be the same, but just a stretch of ours. They will become the 'dimension where the other dimension came to cross', and not just a paralel dimension from ours. Am I making any sense? XD

Anyways, what's the point of pursuing the crossing of paralel universes? Time travel can't be, and I tell you why: Einstein was dead wrong! hehehe. But I'm not kidding. These kind of misconceptions are called positivist, which means Einstein perceiving of the light as an instant speed, was only due to his own perception of it. Light isn't instant, and what's faster than light isn't faster than time. Our neural messages only work once every 0,8 seconds, and thus, we cannot see the middle of light travel from one point to another: because she is faster than OUR perception, and not time. Positivists usually take their own perceptions of the world too seriously. Geniuses like Marx and Eistein were dead wrong on the account of plain positivism, surrounding their thoughts. I don't disregard them of the genius titles, but we gotta review their theories for sure, and be carefull about misconceptions that might come from them.

[Habanero]

Well, that's an interesting thought: Does the parallel universe become the extension of ours, if someone from our universe goes there? That's too philosophic for me though... I hate philosophy... :whatevah:

We aren't talking about time travel here. We were discussing if a blackhole creates a hole in time-space, that leads to a parallel universe.

Einstein wasn't dead wrong either. His conclusions of lightspeed were a bit off, since at least the expanding rate of the universe itself has exceeded the speed of light at some point. But his formulas concerning relativity do apply. Aswell as bunch of other formulas, such as E=mc^2.

[Jack Van Burace]

The formula might apply, but now they use a variable instead of the light speed. That because we don't know how fast is 'instant'. I think I might have exagerated on the term 'dead wrong' though. XD I appologize!

[M-50]

But then again, if we never search for them, we will never be in touch, and then, knowing of them or not won't be relevant. Paralel universes are the kind of thing that will only matter if we make it matter. If we don't, they won't. That not counting the fact they might not even exist, lol! If we ever cross into another dimension, then that dimension won't be the same, but just a stretch of ours. They will become the 'dimension where the other dimension came to cross', and not just a paralel dimension from ours. Am I making any sense? XD
So waht you are saying there can also apply to aliens, or to jupiter and the other planets in the solar system. The thing is that us humans will never stop learning, they will always strive to learn more and mroe about how we live and what we live in, what the composition of it is and so on.
Anyways, what's the point of pursuing the crossing of paralel universes? Time travel can't be, and I tell you why: Einstein was dead wrong! hehehe. But I'm not kidding. These kind of misconceptions are called positivist, which means Einstein perceiving of the light as an instant speed, was only due to his own perception of it. Light isn't instant, and what's faster than light isn't faster than time. Our neural messages only work once every 0,8 seconds, and thus, we cannot see the middle of light travel from one point to another: because she is faster than OUR perception, and not time. Positivists usually take their own perceptions of the world too seriously. Geniuses like Marx and Eistein were dead wrong on the account of plain positivism, surrounding their thoughts. I don't disregard them of the genius titles, but we gotta review their theories for sure, and be carefull about misconceptions that might come from them.
The whole point of pursuing the crossing of parallel universes is so that we can better ourselves.
Time travel can't be, and I tell you why: Einstein was dead wrong! hehehe. But I'm not kidding. These kind of misconceptions are called positivist, which means Einstein perceiving of the light as an instant speed, was only due to his own perception of it. Light isn't instant, and what's faster than light isn't faster than time. Our neural messages only work once every 0,8 seconds, and thus, we cannot see the middle of light travel from one point to another: because she is faster than OUR perception, and not time. Positivists usually take their own perceptions of the world too seriously. Geniuses like Marx and Eistein were dead wrong on the account of plain positivism, surrounding their thoughts. I don't disregard them of the genius titles, but we gotta review their theories for sure, and be carefull about misconceptions that might come from them.
Actually time travel will be possible, just like people thought that computers that you could operate throught touch would never be possible, it became.
and I tell you why: Einstein was dead wrong!
He might have been wrong in some places but where in the general theory of relativitites did he say anything about time travel and that it was definitley possible?
hehehe. But I'm not kidding. These kind of misconceptions are called positivist, which means Einstein perceiving of the light as an instant speed, was only due to his own perception of it.



Light isn't instant,
How do you know that? Light travels at 3.0*10^8 metres per second.

and what's faster than light isn't faster than time.
So how can you tell if something is slower than time? And since when can you get stuff that is faster than light?



Our neural messages only work once every 0,8 seconds, and thus, we cannot see the middle of light travel from one point to another: because she is faster than OUR perception, and not time.
So computers should be able to do that for us?

[Jack Van Burace]

The whole point of pursuing the crossing of parallel universes is so that we can better ourselves.

Good! That's the point I was trying to get to! Now, how the hell does it better ourselves, when there are so many simpler things closer to our reality that we don't even take interest at? Aren't you beeing too unrealistic, searching for a magic-lamp when all you need is a screw-driver? Why go so far?

[Habanero]

It's out of our reach still for a looong time. It's not really given any serious thoughts, but some are considering it as one possible escape route from the collapsing universe. Assuming ofcourse, that humankind doesn't kill itself, that universe actually "dies" at some point or that it's possible to achieve such level of technology.

[Jack Van Burace]

It's out of our reach still for a looong time. It's not really given any serious thoughts, but some are considering it as one possible escape route from the collapsing universe. Assuming ofcourse, that humankind doesn't kill itself, that universe actually "dies" at some point or that it's possible to achieve such level of technology.

Indeed, some ppl also worry about earth beeing swallowed by our red gigantic sun (50.000 years from now), when it ends it's hidrogen fuel and starts burning it's helium. It will double it's size, and eat all the planets till Mars, beeing this very much earlier compared to a possible universe's end.

But what's the point of worrying about the Sun's growth right now, when mankind could end way before that even happens (potable water shortage is predicted to the end of this milenia)? I do believe astronomy and many other sciences without much practical aplications are also important, but I also think that our western society is in dire need for a reality check. I see discovery channel lately into so much cr@*. They're supposedly a science channel, and they don't fill up the requirements. With exceptions to mythbusters and some few other shows of course. And this is a reflection of the viewer's interests.

Take for instance, that "wild future", or whatever it was called, the series in which they tried to predict evolution on Earth. That show had so many conceptual errors that the makers shouldn't be allowed in any university/college whatsoever. And they based themselves in a thing called 'futurology'! Wow, great! Seems like cristal balls and gypsies are back on fashion :winking56

[Habanero]

Actually it takes approximately 5 billion years for the sun to swallow us. But before that, it'll change it's radiation quality so much, that it'll burn every living thing from the face of the earth at some point. That will happen much earlier than 5billion years :p
Knowledge brings pain they say. And it's true. I know of many catastrophical events that could occur anytime, which would wipe all life from earth. But I don't really think much about those. If it happens, it happens. In my opinion it's nicer to discuss about outer space phenomena, rather than the state of our planet. Much less depressing ;)

[Late Splinter]

Maybe parallel universes isn’t found in black holes or in any other phenomenon, maybe parallel universes are much more easier to get to than we might think. Perhaps we’re like ants on a flat table with no perception of the third dimension. Maybe we just don’t see how simple it is and over think things.

[xtrashock]

i don't think there are parrllel universes. there may be other univeses but they aren't nessecarily parrallel.
the idea of parrallel unverses is to me complete science fiction. good sci fi but sci fi none the less.
parrallel universes rely on the idea that every choice we make every possible choice is made at the exact same time but to me that completely removes the idea of choice as we may not be the actual us but mearly one version of us who made a very slightly different choice from the original and are just filling up all the possible choices for the parrallel universes making what we do predetermined.
I have seen some movie of michael j fox but unfortunately forget its name .In that there was concpet of parallel universe and he can switch between either universe .I think movie name is back to the future !

[Jack Van Burace]

I have seen some movie of michael j fox but unfortunately forget its name .In that there was concpet of parallel universe and he can switch between either universe .I think movie name is back to the future !
Wow, how could you forget that name? That movie is uber famous! lol But also, in that movie, the paralel universe was created by time travel, and thus, he could only change it back also by time travel.

[M-50]

Maybe parallel universes isn’t found in black holes or in any other phenomenon, maybe parallel universes are much more easier to get to than we might think. Perhaps we’re like ants on a flat table with no perception of the third dimension. Maybe we just don’t see how simple it is and over think things.
So how can we build houses and other 3 dimensional stuff?
We, well I, am not saying that parallel universes are found in black holes, I/We? ae saying that if you travel through a black hole and reappear? out of a white hole then you would be in a parallel universe.

@Jack Van Burace
Was that movie ''Back to the Future''?

[Jack Van Burace]

So how can we build houses and other 3 dimensional stuff?
We, well I, am not saying that parallel universes are found in black holes, I/We? ae saying that if you travel through a black hole and reappear? out of a white hole then you would be in a parallel universe.

So you're talking about an opposite universe...? But the opposite is subjective, and it's up to anyone to choose what's opposite of what. It's not a real thing. Depending of what characteristhics you pick to compare, there will be a diferent opposite, which varies from people to people.

EDIT: By the way, what's with quoting me?

[M-50]

So you're talking about an opposite universe...?

What are you living in right now? A house that is 3 dimensional or a flat 2 dimensional house?
But the opposite is subjective, and it's up to anyone to choose what's opposite of what.
WHAT??????
Depending of what characteristhics you pick to compare, there will be a diferent opposite, which varies from people to people.

So is the nature of life. So like that we can deduce that if there are parallel universes, whatever you do here will not necessarily happen there.
EDIT: By the way, what's with quoting me?
I meant to say was the film called ''Back to the Future''?
But before that, it'll change it's radiation quality so much, that it'll burn every living thing from the face of the earth at some point. That will happen much earlier than 5billion years
Actually over time as the sun changes from fusing hydrogen to helium, it will fuse helium to heavier elements like carbon. Therefore the radiation that is emmited will gradually decrease in intensity and therefore not burn every living thing from the face of the earth, instead we would have died out by then either through killing ourselves in WWIII or by having advanced technologically enough to allow space travel. Then we would have flown away to another 'earth' and made that our homeworld. And then colonise other 'earths'.

[suzumehime]

What do u think about paralel universes....are they real or are a way to fill up some blank pictures?
Tell me.Did already watch the Full Metal Alchemist-Counqerer of Shambala?
Because it really sounds like you did. All the things about another world similar to ours.
Nope I don't think so.

[Habanero]

But before that, it'll change it's radiation quality so much, that it'll burn every living thing from the face of the earth at some point. That will happen much earlier than 5billion years
Actually over time as the sun changes from fusing hydrogen to helium, it will fuse helium to heavier elements like carbon. Therefore the radiation that is emmited will gradually decrease in intensity and therefore not burn every living etc...
The "helium burn" phase begins after all hydrogen has run out. That's when the sun starts "dying", aka. after 5billion years.
But I was talking about something else. :p
I'm not actually sure about it, but I remember hearing something about the sun's radiation quality changing over time. The change takes place in wavelenghts rather than in intensity. The radiation sun emits becomes of shorter wavelenght, meaning that the amount of UV-radiation grows. as well as other even more fatal radiation types.
I can't be entirely sure about it, gotta check it somewhere... But anyway, those changes also happen in timespan of millions of years, so I wouldn't worry too much about it :rolleye09

[candyb3ar]

i think it would creep me out, there is no way of proving this but just the idea, brings me back to the sceen in men in black where "we live in marbles"...that is just wrong...but it could be...whom knows?...but whom is to say that we all dun live in someone "doll house" and we are nothin but pawns to them...think about it...*shivers*

[grieversangel]

I definetly believe in parallel universes because it's kind of hard to believe that we are the oly beings in the universe or that there is only one universe i mean we would have to be pretty doggone niave to think that we are the only life forms or the only place where otheres exist. I also believe in parallel universes because it's cool to think that there actually could be a place where we could one day go to and see how differant things are. I believe that the universe itself is so diverse so why not believe that there are othere universes to make this whole existance alittle more complicated.

[Jack Van Burace]

What are you living in right now? A house that is 3 dimensional or a flat 2 dimensional house?
WHAT??????
So is the nature of life. So like that we can deduce that if there are parallel universes, whatever you do here will not necessarily happen there.
I meant to say was the film called ''Back to the Future''?
Actually over time as the sun changes from fusing hydrogen to helium, it will fuse helium to heavier elements like carbon. Therefore the radiation that is emmited will gradually decrease in intensity and therefore not , instead we would have died out by then either through killing ourselves in WWIII or by having advanced technologically enough to allow space travel. Then we would have flown away to another 'earth' and made that our homeworld. And then colonise other 'earths'.
Ok, I get the point that I didn't make any sense to you. Actually, I understand that we were talking about totally diferent things, but never mind. You also never got the meaning of what I asked, but never mind that either. I suppose it's useless to ask for something's purpose before trying to do it, right? :toocool:

[shadow_of_89]

Tell me.Did already watch the Full Metal Alchemist-Counqerer of Shambala?
Because it really sounds like you did. All the things about another world similar to ours.
Nope I don't think so.
Some people like things like science and this question is supposed to be adressed to those....yes i have watched it but i knew about the debate of paralel universes since i was a little kid cuz i enjoyed science and stuff so i wanted to know more and others to get familiar with this domain...anyways sarcasm is not good for those who seek knowledge.......

[urusai!]

We want 'something' to be out there. Another form of life that we can closely relate to.
I realise that 'the world out there' is infinite (what we can percieve of it) and therefore the possibility that other life forms are out there still exists. Yet, in my view, the idea of a parallel universe, i.e. worlds are a duplica of each other or inter-connected is somewhat pushing the limit between what is 'plausible' and what is merely a fantasy of the human race.

[VampyreLord]

@beno: Try to post longer and more intelligent and/or serious arguments in Debates.

[shadow_of_89]

I've thought recently that maybe our deja-vu's and premonitions or bad feelings are all maybe connected to the existence of a alternative us and we may be able to sense the future through his already taken road.....It may sound a bit odd but WTH sometimes when you think too much you forget to see what is around you*sick and under the influence of medicines*

[silentyas]

I don't know maybe it's true maybe it's not
However we should have imagination and always open doors for possibilities
If it wasn't for a crazy guy's idea of flying like birds, we wouldn't be dreaming about visiting the moon for summer vacation

[Commander Lazy Pants]

well, a parrallel universes, or universes (or universi if you wanna get fancy) are theoretically possible according to i think string theory, and m-theory (go search wikipedia), and if im not mistaken a man named jed in northern nebraska

would be cool tho if there was a universe where i would be typing this same post in swahili, and one where i type in japanese, and one in russian

that would be confusing, but very cool

id like to meet me in those forms and see if they would think the same way i do

[Waffle]

I usually am an observer browsing through my favourite anime forum, until I came across this particular thread. I registered (as quickly as my laggy little ISP could) and rushed back here. This IS my 1st post..

FIRST OFF, 'Paralel' is spelt wrong.. It's parallel, sorry if I went off-topic, but.. its an eye-sore >.<

Yes. Parallel universes do exist, the bermuda triangle is a warp (or close to), that explains how people 'disappear' from there without any traces, and lose track of bearings, and also become confused of where is the sky and where is the ocean/sea.

I suggest you guys read this book:

http://thiaoouba.com/mic.htm
(This link is a summary on it, you have to buy it, or you could get the free e-book like me!)
It changed my life.. (more like made it worse, at the same time making it better).

THAT book explains a LOT. Some people say its fluff, but it's up to you to believe, anyways dont blame me if the book makes you life turn upside down.

It's night here i'll post back here tomorrow (when I'll dl the bleach 109 ep)

[thousand sakuras]

well...as many of you know that we make choices in life. and once me make that choice we create the what-if scenario, as i call it. when we make a decision there are hundreds of thousands of variations of what could've happened or what we could've done. and just thinking about that creates a different "dimension" because it could happen. and because it could happen in theory it did happen.

[II Xion II]

Are parallel universes the same thing as dimensions (higher than 4th)? Both parallel universes and/or dimensions are real scientific possibilities. The observations of Kerr black holes and the possibility of wormholes and cosmic strings all lend support to such theories. Also, the discovery of antimatter and antiparticles has led to the theory that an antiuniverse may also exist. The existence of sub-sub-atomic particles like quarks and leptons may suggest the presence of alternate dimensions in the infinitely small as well. There are still a lot of scientific questions left to be answered concerning such phenomena, but I believe it is probably likely that there are parallel universes and/or separate dimensions. Hell, we already know that there are four dimensions (length, width, depth, and time), why shouldn't there be a fifth. We can barely grasp the concept of time and four-dimensional thought (hypercube...anybody?), who's to say that a fifth dimension is beyond our three-dimensional brains?

[Rayster]

^ agreed

as i said before in this thread, the String theory states that there are multiple dimensions, higher than fourth. Higher than ten.
Since the basics of the "theory" have been proved, it is no longer considered just a "theory" although wiki still says that..the reason it says that is so ppl don't misintepret it as actual proof, b/c according to that theory, the conclusion they get to is multiple dimensions, thus parallel universes.
now these universes aren't "parallel" meaning that they have the same ppl on it as earth, etc. it means that they are another universe, alongside our own, but in a different dimension. This means we cannot interact. The rules of that universe may be completely diff. There may be diff types of beings, if any (ie/ boxes as beings - just an eg, who don't think etc, etc)

Think of it in terms of a load of bread. Each slice is a universe. They are all side to side, but the beings in that slice will be unable to see or touch the next. (apparently there is a find that allows scientists to believe that in the far future, we could be able to communicate with parallel universes, due to some high speed proton related to gravity..etc)
These parallel universes, side by side, may actually come into contact as they move around (think of tectonic plates, always moving, about to collide) and when they do collide, theorists say that this is the reason for the Big Bang. Thus the big bang may not even be that special, cos if these universes are side by side and collinding now and then, there may have been countless BB's (this does not disprove the Big crunch theory either, even tho we know that the BCrunch is the least likely outcome, but a theorised outcome nonetheless)

well...as many of you know that we make choices in life. and once me make that choice we create the what-if scenario, as i call it. when we make a decision there are hundreds of thousands of variations of what could've happened or what we could've done. and just thinking about that creates a different "dimension" because it could happen. and because it could happen in theory it did happen.
that's wat i just disproved in my first paragraph. If the String theory is true, the universes are NOT like our own, like we see in movies etc, but made of DIFF rules and beings (if any beings at all)



FIRST OFF, 'Paralel' is spelt wrong.. It's parallel, sorry if I went off-topic, but.. its an eye-sore >.<

Yes. Parallel universes do exist, the bermuda triangle is a warp (or close to), that explains how people 'disappear' from there without any traces, and lose track of bearings, and also become confused of where is the sky and where is the ocean/se

yeh, saw that Parallel too. it is annoying, but ppl know wat's meant. mod hasn't changed it..

anyway, not to disprove that theory, but they "proved" over extensive research that the Bermuda triangle is just an area of ocean where a lot of coincedences happen. I know. LAME

i dun really believe that find. more like they couldn't explain it and just marked it as "coincedence"

[M-50]

^ agreed

as i said before in this thread, the String theory states that there are multiple dimensions, higher than fourth. Higher than ten.

They say that it is upto 26 dimensions according to the bosonic string theory.

Since the basics of the "theory" have been proved, it is no longer considered just a "theory" although wiki still says that..the reason it says that is so ppl don't misintepret it as actual proof, b/c according to that theory, the conclusion they get to is multiple dimensions, thus parallel universes.
now these universes aren't "parallel" meaning that they have the same ppl on it as earth, etc. it means that they are another universe, alongside our own, but in a different dimension. This means we cannot interact. The rules of that universe may be completely diff. There may be diff types of beings, if any (ie/ boxes as beings - just an eg, who don't think etc, etc)

Bascially they are alternate universes. Parallel universes are universes where everything that is present in this one, is in there but the choice that is made is different. For example, in this universe you decide to join the police, in the parallel one you decide not to join the police.


that's wat i just disproved in my first paragraph. If the String theory is true, the universes are NOT like our own, like we see in movies etc, but made of DIFF rules and beings (if any beings at all)
I back that up with this quote from (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory)

''As string theory is presently understood, it appears to contain a large number of distinct vacua, perhaps 10^500 (ten to the power of 500) or more. Each of these corresponds to a different universe, with a different collection of particles and forceshat principle, if any, can be used to select among these vacua is an open issue. While there are no known continuous parameters in the theory, there is a very large discretuum (coined in contradistinction to continuum) of possible universes, which may be radically different from each other.''
Bascially all that means is that in the vacuum, there are over 10 to the power of 500 different universi present. Of which not one is the same to another or similar to another. They all consist of different forces and therefore different races of life if there are any and different planets. Also there is the probability that one universe is so different to another that it is unbelievable. Like in one universe instead of 'space' that we have, the will have water. And where we have water they have 'space.'