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okay, heres one thing i don't get about the ichigo vs zaraki fight we had about a year ago( i know it's kinda late posting this now, but i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one who's a little confused so i'll put the final nail in this coffin). so, lets go back to the beginning of episode 40 where ichigo and zaraki takes the final blow. now notice that ichigo knocks out first? should'nt that make zaraki the winner? obviously we all know that zaraki admitted his defeat on the battle, but i think we should believe what we see instead of what we hear. i think one of the reasons why some of us (not all of us) think ichigo won is because zaraki said ""sorry, guys," my ass... you won, dumbass..." and they only thought about what zaraki said instead of actually thinking about the battle. either that, or their "Ichigohavetowineverytimecuzhe'sthemaincharacter" way of thinking did'nt allow them to accept ichigo's defeat. also known as "fanboyism".
so my final word is ichigo did not beat zaraki AT THAT TIME!
edit: thanks for all the feedbacks. i'm very open minded so keep'em comin.:)
prelude
07-03-2006, 04:41 PM
but why would zaraki lie???Whats the point in accepting a false loss???
Rabid_Wolverine
07-03-2006, 04:41 PM
Why did you duplicate a thread in two forums?
but why would zaraki lie???Whats the point in accepting a false loss???
"why he lied" is not important because it would'nt change the fact that ichigo lost. there can be a hundred possible answers to why he lied. maybe he felt like he was gonna die at that time?
prelude
07-03-2006, 05:00 PM
even if he thought of duying woyld do nothing to mess up the mind of battle ready zaraki.i guess that you saw the episode the last few day.if so try to remember what happened when the blue and yellow rejatsu met???
Federov
07-03-2006, 05:06 PM
Ichigo wins. He cuts Kenpachi's sword in half. :p
silverwolf801
07-03-2006, 05:07 PM
wait wait do you know Zaraki. Zaraki would never lie to back out of a fight because he was going to dies. Zaraki lives to fight, he loves it. One he said he lost because his sword broke in the end and so it was over
Ichigo wins. He cuts Kenpachi's sword in half. :p
well, either you have half a sword or a whole sword doesn't matter when you fall down first and don't have any strength to cut.
Random Havoc
07-03-2006, 05:11 PM
Does it really matter who won? The point is Zaraki looked for a fight and he was satisfied. The fact that he was unbeatble and the fact that Ichigo wounded him in the slightest makes Ichigo the winner. Doesn't matter if Ichigo died and Zaraky was alive. Ichigo wins in that sense and that's what Zaraki meant.
noraa
07-03-2006, 05:13 PM
the reason why ichigo won is cuz he managed to be consious while zaraki lost his consiousness
the reason why ichigo won is cuz he managed to be consious while zaraki lost his consiousness
no that is not true because in the next episode ichigo was questioning yoruichi how she carried his body( remember ichigo thought yoruichi was a cat). if he was consious then he would know that yoruichi transformed into her human form.
also kenpachi did not lose his consious cuz right after yachiru carried him to the roof he started talking about his name and soulslayer so zaraki wins in that matter
Random Havoc
07-03-2006, 05:15 PM
lol, Did you skip my post?
Does it really matter who won? The point is Zaraki looked for a fight and he was satisfied. The fact that he was unbeatble and the fact that Ichigo wounded him in the slightest makes Ichigo the winner. Doesn't matter if Ichigo died and Zaraky was alive. Ichigo wins in that sense and that's what Zaraki meant.
no, that does not make ichigo the winner. it only makes ichigo "the guy who wounded zaraki". i'll say it again the WINNER of this battle is zaraki period
i don't get why you guys are trying so hard to dig up reasons to support ichigo's victory? just face the fact. instead of being blinded by your fanboyism. now don't get me wrong i love ichigo more than zaraki, but it's just that we have to face the facts and not opinions.
Random Havoc
07-03-2006, 05:22 PM
Okay. that's your opinion. I'll repeat the most important part of my post: Does it really matter who won?
silverwolf801
07-03-2006, 05:24 PM
no it doesn't it does not affect the rest of the series in any way at all
Okay. that's your opinion. I'll repeat the most important part of my post: Does it really matter who won?
you're right it doesn't really matter and its not that big of a deal, but sometimes it's important to let people know the truth. and also alot of people has been confused by this and it bugs me every time i see "ichigo beat zaraki" in vs threads and whatnot.
Zanga
07-03-2006, 05:47 PM
This is about what Zaraki thought. We all know that Ichigo was knocked first. Technically he was the loser, but in Zaraki's eyes, Ichigo won. Why? Because, never before he was given a fight that intense. Zaraki probably thought he was going to die very soon, and Ichigo would live. Why would Ichigo live? BBecause he has the will to live. Remember when he was stabbed but Zangetsu saved him? Remember what yourichi said the next episode? Ichigo didn't die from the wounds inflicted on him. He would've, he could've but he didn't Yourichi just fixed him up. Zaraki knew of of this will hence why Ichigo was the winner. The one who was most likely to live.
And no. I'm not an Ichigo fan, i'm just stating my opinion.
This is about what Zaraki thought. We all know that Ichigo was knocked first. Technically he was the loser, but in Zaraki's eyes, Ichigo won. Why? Because, never before he was given a fight that intense. Zaraki probably thought he was going to die very soon, and Ichigo would live. Why would Ichigo live? BBecause he has the will to live. Remember when he was stabbed but Zangetsu saved him? Remember what yourichi said the next episode? Ichigo didn't die from the wounds inflicted on him. He would've, he could've but he didn't Yourichi just fixed him up. Zaraki knew of of this will hence why Ichigo was the winner. The one who was most likely to live.
And no. I'm not an Ichigo fan, i'm just stating my opinion.
you're saying the exact same thing as random havoc. i know what you mean and i agree with you, but that just means that ichigo deserves a great pad on the back by zaraki. it doesn't mean he won...it doesn't matter what zaraki thinks. wether he thinks he lost or won does not matter in this thread cuz the result is clear
silverwolf801
07-03-2006, 05:52 PM
It is very hard to believe that Zaraki thought that he was going to die because frankly Zaraki presents himself as someone who is not afraid of death yet he embraces it and enjoys it's company.
It is very hard to believe that Zaraki thought that he was going to die because frankly Zaraki presents himself as someone who is not afraid of death yet he embraces it and enjoys it's company.
what zaraki thought does not matter. this is a thread about WHO WON and i'm trying to give out facts on why i think zaraki won. -.-
and to those of you who think this thread is pointless and not important you're more than welcome to step out of this debate/conversation.
noraa
07-03-2006, 06:12 PM
yes, i agree with yar. technically zaraki won the fight.
yes, i agree with yar. technically zaraki won the fight.
thank you noraa. finally someone who agrees with me.. "wipes tears" :doindadom
AznPoi
07-03-2006, 06:40 PM
Ichigo technically lost to both Zaraki and Byakuya. Both times his hollow side came out and saved his ass. If it was the current manga Ichigo right now then the hollow thing wouldn't really matter because current manga right now Ichigo accepts his other half while back then he tried to suppress it.
zangetsu_resolve^^
07-03-2006, 06:52 PM
ichigo lost to zaraki, but if they fight again in the manga then ichigo can win.
Whren
07-03-2006, 07:05 PM
I always saw the match as a tie....
I always saw the match as a tie....
yeah, but thats only for death match where you have to kill in order to win. in this match nobody died, so zaraki wins cuz he was the last one standing.
Zanga
07-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Umm this was a fight to the death. We know Ichigo wouldn't have died, And Zaraki would've most likely died before Ichigo since he he has the will to live. Zaraki, he probably wouldve accepted death since he died from a worthy opponent.
Umm this was a fight to the death. We know Ichigo wouldn't have died, And Zaraki would've most likely died before Ichigo since he he has the will to live. Zaraki, he probably wouldve accepted death since he died from a worthy opponent.
what are you talking about? none of them died.
Zanga
07-03-2006, 07:46 PM
Did I say they died? I said Kenpachi probably THOUGHT he was going to die before Unohana got there in time. This is a fight to the death, being knocked out is nothing.
Did I say they died? I said Kenpachi probably THOUGHT he was going to die before Unohana got there in time. This is a fight to the death, being knocked out is nothing.
yes, it was a fight to the death.. almost every fight in anime is a fight to the death, but nobody died so zaraki wins cuz he was the last one standing. losing isn't ALWAYS dying.. falling down is losing too...
Mudhoney
07-03-2006, 07:58 PM
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i don't get why you guys are trying so hard to dig up a reason to support ichigo's victory?
And I don't get why you trying so hard to support Zaraki?
Isn't it Zaraki's thoughts that couts? He said Ichigo was the winner, the Ichigo is the winner.
What's the big deal?
And I don't get why you trying so hard to support Zaraki?
Isn't it Zaraki's thoughts that couts? He said Ichigo was the winner, the Ichigo is the winner.
What's the big deal?
i'm not supporting zaraki. i'm supporting facts. i'm not trying hard at all. i'm just posting all the facts from what happened in the fight. and nope, thoughts does not count when it's NOT TRUE. nothing is a big deal you're the only one whos taking it big.
p.s. for the people who has something to say. i want you to read every page and actually think about it so i don't have to repeat myself again and again. thank you :)
iQing
07-03-2006, 09:09 PM
Has anyone mentioned the word TIE yet ?
Has anyone mentioned the word TIE yet ?
yes whren did. go back and read it if you like. :)
Undying
07-03-2006, 09:22 PM
Technically the fight was a tie. Last man standing wins, and none of them was left standing. Basically what you're trying to say, tar, is that since Zaraki managed to utter a few words before collapsing, he is the winner of the fight? Might as well review that. Zaraki only managed to stand up, utter those words because we needed the drama. The whole point was that Ichigo won because he toppled the unbeatable Zaraki, a feat none has achieved before. Hence, we saw Zaraki still stand, say a secnatnce, have his sword break, and fall.
However, that fight was a tie since both fighters fell.
Zanga
07-03-2006, 09:22 PM
Zaraki said it himself. Kill or be killed. In every fight, you put your life on the line, Ichigo wasn't going to die, Zaraki most likely wouldve, therefore Zaraki said Ichigo is the winner. But none died, so Infact until they have a rematch, it is inffact a TIE.
EDIT: Bleh Undying beat as usual :rolleyes:
Undying
07-03-2006, 09:23 PM
Sadly it is indeed so, Zanga. A loss means death, and Ichigo didn't die. neither did Zaraki. Hence, a tie.
okay, why don't you guys go back and read what i said. losing is not ALWAYS dying. falling down is losing too. therefore, since nobody died in this battle zaraki wins because he was able to stand 5 seconds more than ichigo did. you're saying that one has to die for a loss? if that's true then half of the kids in school should be dead cuz they lost in a fight. (that was a bad example i know) anyways, knocking out is losing too. and if we play by your rules, then almost nobody won a fight in bleach yet.
edit: ichigo won because he toppled the unbeatable zaraki? no, that is just an achievment not a victory. it does not matter if this was zaraki's thoughts because zaraki's thoughts does not matter in this thread.
p.s. my name is yar not tar.
Undying
07-03-2006, 09:51 PM
okay, why don't you guys go back and read what i said. losing is not ALWAYS dying. falling down is be losing too. therefore, since nobody died in this battle zaraki wins because he was able to stand 5 seconds more than ichigo did. you're saying that one has to die for a loss? if that's true then half of the kids in school should be dead cuz they lost in a fight. (that was a bad example i know) anyways, knocking out is losing too. and if we play by your rules, then almost all the fight should be a tie since nobody in bleach(important people) died yet.
edit: ichigo won because he toppled the unbeatable zaraki? no, that is just an achievment not a victory. it doesn not matter if this was what zaraki was thinking because zaraki's thoughts does not matter in this thread.
p.s. my name is yar not tar.
Sorry, typo :p.
And anyway, both Zaraki and Ichigo fell. See, you can't seem to get it. The fight for to the death. That means that the one who stands and can kill his felled opponent wins. However neither Zaraki nor Ichigo could do it hance it was a tie. In a fight to the death, only the dead lose and the one who is left standing wins. The fight that neither died simply shows this was a tie.
Also Ichigo won because he did topple the great Zaraki. It is a victory in a sense. Imagine being able to suddenly knock out someone thrice your size, even if you are knocked out in the process as well. That is a victory, despite you being felled too. The same goes for Byakuya. Technically Ichigo never won, because he did not kill Byakuya. But, the fight was one of ideals, which meant that as soon as Byakuya accepted Ichigo's point and relinquished his claim to kill Rukia, Ichigo won. However, Byakuya evidently could still fight, while Ichigo was on the verge of dying and would have if Inoue didn't heal him.
In short, the Zaraki fight ended in a clear tie. Neither died despite it being a fight to the death. But in a sense Ichigo won, because he achieved something none has before - he toppeled the undefeatable, the undying Zaraki (the pun on my username is unintended).
But if we follow the principle of the fight, a fight to the death, along with its outcome, a double KO with no dead, we see that the fight is a tie.
Sorry, typo :p.
And anyway, both Zaraki and Ichigo fell. See, you can't seem to get it. The fight for to the death. That means that the one who stands and can kill his felled opponent wins. However neither Zaraki nor Ichigo could do it hance it was a tie. In a fight to the death, only the dead lose and the one who is left standing wins. The fight that neither died simply shows this was a tie.
Also Ichigo won because he did topple the great Zaraki. It is a victory in a sense. Imagine being able to suddenly knock out someone thrice your size, even if you are knocked out in the process as well. That is a victory, despite you being felled too. The same goes for Byakuya. Technically Ichigo never won, because he did not kill Byakuya. But, the fight was one of ideals, which meant that as soon as Byakuya accepted Ichigo's point and relinquished his claim to kill Rukia, Ichigo won. However, Byakuya evidently could still fight, while Ichigo was on the verge of dying and would have if Inoue didn't heal him.
In short, the Zaraki fight ended in a clear tie. Neither died despite it being a fight to the death. But in a sense Ichigo won, because he achieved something none has before - he toppeled the undefeatable, the undying Zaraki (the pun on my username is unintended).
But if we follow the principle of the fight, a fight to the death, along with its outcome, a double KO with no dead, we see that the fight is a tie.
it's not that zaraki could'nt, but more like he didn't kill ichigo because he finally found someone to fight. zaraki is a blood lusting beast who loves fighting. even yachiru told ichigo to "stay alive" which means she knew zaraki was not going to die, and she knew zaraki loved fighting. and what you are saying undying is a great achievment like the first person to fly with arms or a tuna killing a tiger(i know the example sucks, but you know what i mean). that has NOTHING to do with the victory of the battle . and the fight with byakuya the reason why byakuya admitted defeat is not the battle, but the fact that ichigo taught him that he should fight for something that he believed in and not the "battle itself" byakuya won the battle. what i'm talking about is the victory of the "battle"
Undying
07-03-2006, 10:15 PM
it's not that zaraki could'nt, but more like he didn't kill ichigo because he finally found someone to fight. zaraki is a blood lusting beast who loves fighting. even yachiru told ichigo to "stay alive" which means she knew zaraki was not going to die, and she knew zaraki loved fighting. and what you are saying undying is a great achievment like the first person to fly with arms or a tuna killing a tiger(i know the example sucks, but you know what i mean). that has NOTHING to do with the victory of the battle . and the fight with byakuya the reason why byakuya admitted defeat is not the battle, but the fact that ichigo taught him that he should fight for something that he believed in and not the "battle itself" byakuya won the battle. what i'm talking about is the victory of the "battle"
As a matter of fact Zaraki truly couldn't kill Ichigo. Look closer, he is on his way down, but he managed to utter a sentance before he swords shatters (simbolizing his defeat, none has broken his sword before, hence his desire to learn its name and grow stronger). He couldn't kill Ichigo. If he could, he would've done so because this is the whole point of their match: a fight to the death, where the loser is killed. But he fell before he had the chance to do anything like that. Also you still don't get the point of Ichigo's achievement. For Zaraki, the fact that someone has managed to wound him, to break his sword and to topple him means he was defeated (hence his "I lose" admmitance). However, fact stands: neither died and both couldn't kill each other. That means a tie in a fight to the death.
As for the Byakuya battle, you really just can't get the principal of a "fight for ideals", do you now? Ichigo's entire purpose in challenging Byakuay was to show him that he was wrond in his beliefs and hence he would fight him.
I think, like Zaraki said, Ichigo won... In fact, there was no winner, but for Zaraki, someone able to defeat him is someone who has won the fight... No matter that they fell at the same time, and there was no-one stood up. The winner was Ichigo, in fact, after this battle, Zaraki becames a "partner"...
As a matter of fact Zaraki truly couldn't kill Ichigo. Look closer, he is on his way down, but he managed to utter a sentance before he swords shatters (simbolizing his defeat, none has broken his sword before, hence his desire to learn its name and grow stronger). He couldn't kill Ichigo. If he could, he would've done so because this is the whole point of their match: a fight to the death, where the loser is killed. But he fell before he had the chance to do anything like that. Also you still don't get the point of Ichigo's achievement. For Zaraki, the fact that someone has managed to wound him, to break his sword and to topple him means he was defeated (hence his "I lose" admmitance). However, fact stands: neither died and both couldn't kill each other. That means a tie in a fight to the death.
zaraki's "i lose admitteance" is wrong because that is his opinion and not fact... just look at the battle will you? i don't care if an ant and a lion faught and the ant was able to wound the lion... lion still wins.
As for the Byakuya battle, you really just can't get the principal of a "fight for ideals", do you now? Ichigo's entire purpose in challenging Byakuay was to show him that he was wrond in his beliefs and hence he would fight him.
yes, so ichigo proved that byakuya was wrong, but lost the battle. victory for his GOAL and a loss for the BATTLE. byakuya gave up cuz he thought there was no point in killing ichigo since he realized that ichigo's goal was to save his sister. and also zaraki could have killed ichigo but did not. after yachiru carried him to the roof, zaraki started talking for 10 minutes and held his sword up and shouted like crazy. i don't know about you, but i think thats enuff strength to chop ichigo's head off. the only reason why zaraki did not do so is because ichigo is the main character.
zaraki's "i lose admmitance" is wrong because that's his opinion and not fact. just look at the battle will you? i don't care if an ant was able to wound a lion... lion still wins the battle.
Undying
07-03-2006, 10:31 PM
Let's see, Ichigo made Zaraki lose consciousness right after the fight, when Yachiru carried him to the rood. He lost his consiousness right after the match. He regained it afterwards to try and talk to his sword, and lost it again after failing.
See the point? The lion was unconsious right after the fight. And the one who wounded him too. TIE.
Let's see, Ichigo made Zaraki lose consciousness right after the fight, when Yachiru carried him to the rood. He lost his consiousness right after the match. He regained it afterwards to try and talk to his sword, and lost it again after failing.
See the point? The lion was unconsious right after the fight. And the one who wounded him too. TIE.
okay, finally you say something reasonable. i went back and check i'm afraid you're right undying :). but i will still go with my "last standing wins" theory. ichigo was concious, but broke down first while zaraki was concious too...
Undying
07-03-2006, 10:37 PM
But Zaraki was half conscious too, and he was falling. He wasn't standing, so there was no last man standing! Only a little girl! XD
Caesar
07-03-2006, 10:39 PM
But how many times have we seen the main hero beat the vilian and after that faints?? 10 zillion times.. and we all said yep the hero won for sure!! why is that?? cause he fell last.. i agree with yar .. the reason why zaraki said that he lost is stated above a million times.. but this isnt the fact.. the other captains said that zaraki lost is cause he got unconcius after the fight.. and yuruichi that is on ichigo's side didnt said anything that ichigo won...
But Zaraki was half conscious too, and he was falling. He wasn't standing, so there was no last man standing! Only a little girl! XD
both didn't have enuff strength to stand there was no man standing. you are right, but im trying to say that zaraki endured it a little longer than ichigo about 5 seconds? anyways the whole point of this thread was to prove zaraki did not lose the fight and not "who won". i guess i did just that. :headbang:
Undying
07-03-2006, 10:55 PM
Of course you did. I nevre argued that Ichigo won, only that Zaraki didn't lose. But "didn't lose" and "won" are worlds apart...
though i still think zaraki won. :biggrinki i guess we can agree on one thing zaraki did not lose.
may the mods close this thread now that everythings over.
AznPoi
07-03-2006, 11:07 PM
Zaraki won because the stab he gave Ichigo would be fatal if not for the Hollow mask that appeared on his chest.
Zaraki won because the stab he gave Ichigo would be fatal if not for the Hollow mask that appeared on his chest.
good point azn, but luck also plays a big part in a battle so we can't say anything about that cuz luck is everywhere. it is true though that ichigo would have died if that mask wasn't there. also the reason why the mask was there to protect the main character.
iQing
07-03-2006, 11:19 PM
why dont you guys just accept the OBVIOUS and say that it is just a simple, obvious DOUBLE KO
instead of walking around the circle and insist that the world is black and white (win or loose only) and no shades in between?
simple... it is obviously a DOUBLE KO
thats all
why dont you guys just accept the OBVIOUS and say that it is just a simple, obvious DOUBLE KO
instead of walking around the circle and insist that the world is black and white (win or loose only) and no shades in between?
simple... it is obviously a DOUBLE KO
thats all
yeah, but ichigo got ko'ed FIRST thats what im trying to say... ichigo hit the ground first. zaraki endured 3 more seconds than him.
it's not that i know of only back and white, but in my eyes this is not grey thats all.
iQing
07-04-2006, 12:00 AM
in many cases of double KO
the difference of falling time range from three hundren nano seconds to a few minutes :)
If Ishida didnt drink da antitode and die
his battle with mayuri will be... yeah.. it would be logical to ask that instead of asking something obvious
are you so calculating until you count every nano, piko seconds?
crap
and what if Ichigo hit ground first, then Kenpachi fall and Ichigo wake up a minute later?
it is a double KO even though one of the fighter fall first
Undying
07-04-2006, 12:04 AM
Well, although Ichigo would have died had the mask not appera... Ogichi is part of Ichigo's powers. Ichigo didn't cheat or anything like that. He simply used a part of his ability.
And truly, if we do calculate every nano second, we can tell who won and who lost at every match O_O.
in many cases of double KO
the difference of falling time range from three hundren nano seconds to a few minutes :)
If Ishida didnt drink da antitode and die
his battle with mayuri will be... yeah.. it would be logical to ask that instead of asking something obvious
are you so calculating until you count every nano, piko seconds?
crap
and what if Ichigo hit ground first, then Kenpachi fall and Ichigo wake up a minute later?
it is a double KO even though one of the fighter fall first
yes it is a double ko, but the first ko is the real ko in my books.
iQing
07-04-2006, 12:08 AM
what if the second person who falls, die?
he is still da winner?
Undying
07-04-2006, 12:10 AM
Or better yet, if I was to shoot someone through the hreat and he dies, but only after I fainted, is he the winner?
of course if the guy falls WHILE the other guy is falling then its a tie, but if the guy falls AFTER THE OTHER GUY COMPLETLY FALLS then its a last standing win. thats the way how MY brain thinks... :P
Or better yet, if I was to shoot someone through the hreat and he dies, but only after I fainted, is he the winner?
thats not the same as this fight... -.-;
Undying
07-04-2006, 12:12 AM
But it is the same. He fell after I did. So I'm the one who lost?
in this fight... both guys shot at each other and one man managed to fall after the other guy completly fell. so in my books... it's like this
1. ichigo falls
2. zaraki wins
3. zaraki falls
like i said b4 undying... killing isn't always winning. beating and standing last(even if its just for 5 seconds) wins in my book
what if the second person who falls, die?
he is still da winner?
zaraki didn't die did he?
iQing
07-04-2006, 12:24 AM
forget it
this guy calculate every nano seconds
even if both guy falls at the same time, he will still measure who fall one or 2 nanoseconds earlier, who hit the ground one or two nanoseconds earlier etc etc.
that is how his brain calculate things, like a robot
forget it
this guy calculate every nano seconds
even if both guy falls at the same time, he will still measure who fall one or 2 nanoseconds earlier, who hit the ground one or two nanoseconds earlier etc etc.
that is how his brain calculate things, like a robot
no i do not count every nano seconds.
if the guy falls WHILE the other guy is falling then its a tie, but if the guy falls AFTER THE OTHER GUY COMPLETLY FALLS then its a last standing win. thats the way how MY brain thinks... :P
this is how i see it...
i know my drawing sucks so please don't say anything about my drawings.. lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/aaronyoo/zaraki1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/aaronyoo/zaraki2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/aaronyoo/zaraki3.jpg
^^The ref in there was eating a cookie quick question.....Where'd he get it? Anyways it was a tie and Kenpachi is the loser for never learning his swords name he'd be the best if he knew it. Death God tank award goes to Kenpachi. Also why does Kenpachi only have bells on one pic.
Random Havoc
07-04-2006, 02:45 AM
This... by far... has been the most useless serious debate about something so insignificant, that it's not funny... so not funny that I'm baffled why anyone still cares.
chakra25
07-04-2006, 03:01 AM
LOL @ Drawing...
Rukia is on Bleach forum using Yar... :D
I tend to agree... Ken-chan won the fight... (Ichigo collapsed to the ground first).
But the battle ended in a draw (both required treatment).
It was a draw nobody won if he can't keep standing up after taking all those cuts he doesn't deserve the win.
Cursive
07-04-2006, 04:27 AM
Didn't Zaraki say Ichigo won?
Maybe he was lying!
He did say Ichigo won because he got beat even though it was a tie. But obviously Ichigo cheated he faught with Zangestu.
Cursive
07-04-2006, 04:39 AM
He did say Ichigo won because he got beat even though it was a tie. But obviously Ichigo cheated he faught with Zangestu.
How is that cheating?
Zaraki is just too dumb to use his.
But didn't he in the manga as a Vaizard or w/e?
^Spoiler if you haven't read the manga instead of watching the bountou episodes.
He can't in the anime he doesn't know his swords name.
Cursive
07-04-2006, 04:51 AM
See, he is too ignorant, if he would've known his sword's name previous to the fight, he would have won!
Silly Zaraki, getting overconfident of his abilities.
He beat Tousen without getting hurt, and Ichigo cheated.
Sandal Hat
07-04-2006, 04:57 AM
This is stupid.
It was a tie. The end. Game Over. Continue from next save point?
it was not a tie. it was zaraki's victory. i have no idea why people are thinking it was a draw. go back read everything i said, and actually think about it. then maybe you guys will know why zaraki won the fight.
I said draw because it was truely a draw, if both get KOed and require medical attention then its a tie.
Sandal Hat
07-04-2006, 05:09 AM
it was a tie. it was neither's victory. i have no idea why people are thinking it wasn't a draw. go back read everything i said, and actually think about it. then maybe you guys will know why neither of them won the fight.
okay, moderaters can you please lock up the darn thread please? my head hurts from debating all day, and the point of this thread was to prove zaraki did not lose. and i think i did just that, so please lock it up. if we let this be then it would just build up into a huge fire, and we will say the same thing going around in circles. so i see no point in further doing this thread.
Cursive
07-04-2006, 05:13 AM
I think it was a tie, even though Zaraki said Ichigo won.
Even though Zaraki fell shortly afterwards, what if he fell 1 second after?
That is still after, would Zaraki still win?
If both fall from the fight, it should be considered a tie.
Sandal Hat
07-04-2006, 05:16 AM
I'll lock this thread now that I have successfully proven that neither of them won the fight. Mainly because in any fight that both fighters end up on the ground knocked out and is unable to continue is labeled a draw, no matter what the opponents mumble to themselves or who fell to the ground first.
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