Prince of Tennis [Archive] - Page 45

Jay3205

01-18-2007, 06:37 PM

Jay3205

01-18-2007, 06:41 PM

I'd also have to say Hitsugaya. He'd be in real trouble if he was hit by Hits' ice dragon. Hitsugaya has a big range advantage, and Mickey seems to be almost a strict close range fighter.

Lirion

01-18-2007, 06:52 PM

Batman would win. He got everything in that belt and do not think he doesn't have something against spidermen.
Spiderman can only fight when his dear Mary Jane is in trouble.

♥ Tess

01-18-2007, 08:16 PM

^lmao @ that answer.

chea.
i think spiderman can win.
he has strength and web.

though it won't be a easy win.
thinking about it, it reminds me of that Punisher vs Spiderman battle.

i think punisher won, though i'm not sure -.-
(double checks google)

Achilles

01-18-2007, 08:26 PM

I wouldn't use it, I want to go to heaven.

♥ Tess

01-18-2007, 08:33 PM

I would definitely use it to become the supreme, evil dictator that Light Yagami has become, lol. J/K
Though if I do manage to get a Death Note, I would use it to kill off the bad guys, and maybe for revenge too. Though I don't really like the idea of having a creepy Shinigami following me wherever I go...

i forgot about that shinigami who follows you.

i'll probably use it twice then give it away to someone similar to reito.

//ZERO//

01-18-2007, 09:21 PM

The issue here is easily addressed with the fact that Batman is HUMAN, Spidey has the proportionate strength of a Spider. Not forgetting his good old spider-senses can warn him as to what gadget Batman will use from his utility belt. So in a nutshell Spidey FTW.

Anubisrage

01-18-2007, 09:23 PM

Sephiroth might be able to win, but not through an "effortless fight". Materia attacks are not instant, uncounterable attacks. Ichigo is more than fast enough to dodge any blast. Meteor doesn't = instant win. Going by Advent Children, Sephiroth isn't nearly as fast as bankai Ichigo is. It may not have been the "real" Sephiroth, but he was able to reform fully from Kadaj's body and keep his power. Cloud's last limit break <<<<<< bankai Ichigo using shunpo at full speed. Also note that Sephiroth can not actually carry 99x every materia ever created.

Face it, Sephiroth =/= ultimate.

I know what you are saying, but do not forget that materia are not only blasts...
How would Ichigo like it if he gets a bankai, While Sephiroth puts up 'ultimate defence' and summons Bahamut, Neo Bahamut, Bahamut Zero, Ifrit and perhaps Odin?
And Kadaj did not receive Sephiroth's full power in Advent, he merely revived Sephiroths Geostigma, basically Sephiroth's memory.
So as I said, for a fair fight, it would have to be Sephiroth with only his 3 meter long Katana, and normal Ichigo, no Ogichi, no bankai, nothing...
that will be fair. now tell me who do you think would win???

ninjabot

01-18-2007, 09:41 PM

Actually, that's Savage Hulk from the Ultimate Universe. No, we're going with the "real" Savage Hulk. The Ultimate version is waaaaaaay toned down.

ninjabot

01-18-2007, 09:46 PM

My mistake, that one isn't from the Ultimate universe, but it also isn't the original Savage Hulk. Refer to the link that Jay3205 posted.

Neko Toku

01-18-2007, 10:44 PM

I know Hitsugaya pretty much loses almost every battle. But against King Mickey, I would be astonished if he lost. All he has to do is freeze him and cut him in half. Simple, no?

Planeswalker

01-19-2007, 02:03 AM

RAW is out:
Here (http://fs06n1.sendspace.com/dl/85c906d7f5d030800c4bc122e767cbc5/45af9dfa/9kscrc/One%20Piece%20-%20441.zip)

Doesnt it seem like for the last 20 weeks or so OP hasnt disapointed in the slightest?

AznPoi

01-19-2007, 03:28 AM

Whateverrrrrrrrrrrrr

Naruto's new crappy Jutsu will kill them both in one hit because Naruto is overpowered like that.

It's not fair to post a hero that can't die.

Anyways, all Goku has to do is blow Hulk's head off. I mean if the "Vector" or whatever can rip the Hulk's head off, then Goku can easily blow his head off for an instant win. Radiation inducing cannon blowing the Hulk's leg off..... Radiation inducing cannon only has a power level of 1000. Goku is like 10^5649843.

I hate Goku and the Hulk, I don't care who wins, but it's pretty obvious Goku will win all the time.

ultimate

01-19-2007, 03:40 AM

Compared to other shounen animes, Bleach is probably one of the best cos of the storylines and fight scenes of course though I wouldn't say it is the best since there other shounen anime out there I probably dont know about... DB/Z/GT is a well known shounen anime I think and focuses more on fighting then any other shounen animes i know of [eg. Vegeta training so he can beat Goku, transforming in Super Saiyans or some higher level to become stronger] but it seems to focus lesser on story

FullMetal-Guitarist

01-19-2007, 03:58 AM

Jay3205

01-19-2007, 04:07 AM

Naruto's new jutsu is far from able to defeat these opponents. Naruto caused a small crater when using his jutsu, Goku can blow up mountains with his ki techniques.

Goku would not be able to easily blow off Hulk's head. At minimum, he'd have to be SSJ2 and able to completely vaporize his head in one shot to eliminate any chance of regeneration. He can't do this without being extremely close, and Hulk would not simply let him do this if he were close. Anyways, by the time Goku figures out Hulk can regenerate, he'd already be far outmatched in strength due to making Hulk angry.
Please don't use power levels since there are none that are confirmed past Frieza Saga, except Trunks' hidden strength.

Que Sera Sera

01-19-2007, 04:32 AM

I agree with AznPoi Goku would win. It would be pretty funny though to see the battle^^
Hulk: HARG!
Goku: ...
Hulk: HULK SMASH!
Goku: *uses energy blast thing*
Hulk: HULK'S LEG! HULK'S LEG IS GONE!
Goku: *again uses energy thing*
Hulk: NO! HULK ARM GONE!
Goku: *again uses energy thing*
Hulk: NO! HULK MANHOOD GONE!
^^

Sweeney

01-19-2007, 04:34 AM

At the risk of sounding stupid here, could someone explain the concept of "fillers" to me? I hear people mention that filler episodes are over for certain shows, and I dont really know what they mean. Thanks :Domo

Sweeney

01-19-2007, 04:34 AM

Whats it about?

M_Ghey

01-19-2007, 04:43 AM

Sure. Fillers are episodes or entire arcs that branch off the main story, like the arc after Sould Society is Bleach. They are usually used to wait for more manga to come out. The easiest definition is: episodes that are made up by the makers of an anime, that are not existent in the manga. That is why animes that are not based on a manga don't have fillers, and animes based on ongoing manga do.

Sweeney

01-19-2007, 04:50 AM

Kthx :redbiggri

♥ Tess

01-19-2007, 04:53 AM

Whateverrrrrrrrrrrrr

Naruto's new crappy Jutsu will kill them both in one hit because Naruto is overpowered like that.

rofl @ naruto in this.
oh man, he would lose in a instant.

(wait, ....thinks of the manga)

alright, naruto isn't that weak.
but still.. uhh.. (ok, i'm off topic)

I agree with AznPoi Goku would win. It would be pretty funny though to see the battle^^
Hulk: HARG!
Goku: ...
Hulk: HULK SMASH!
Goku: *uses energy blast thing*
Hulk: HULK'S LEG! HULK'S LEG IS GONE!
Goku: *again uses energy thing*
Hulk: NO! HULK ARM GONE!
Goku: *again uses energy thing*
Hulk: NO! HULK MANHOOD GONE!
^^

lol, if only it was that easy. :p

Kyoko<3!

01-19-2007, 06:04 AM

I'd most definitely use it. Of course I know it's wrong, but I know the temptation to use such a powerful and undetectable weapon will conquer me. I mean I've lived my whole life wondering where all the adventure, and out-of-this-world occurences are in my life! Heck, I'd take almost any awesome piece out of a manga and/or anime that I can get.

Man I'd probably kill myself one day for using it, but I'd definitely put that bad puppy to 'good use'.
I'd probably start by killing off my father too....hmm I'm already committing a sin in my head with the Death Note x.x
No joke about the father thing though.

Jay3205

01-19-2007, 06:05 AM

Could people actually explain why they think Goku would win? The Hulk has shown much bigger strength than Goku, and he's able to hit opponents moving with great speed. Goku's stronger forms are also limited cause of the big energy drain. I'm still failing to understand why most people seem to think Goku would win.

M_Ghey

01-19-2007, 06:23 AM

How can anyone say this series lacks emotion or depth? It's not like Ichigo is hacking or slashing his way through every episode with no reason. Ichigo fights with a purpose: to protect his family and the people he loves. He is driven to be a protector as a result of the death of his mother... a death he feels very guilty for. There is also the latent emotional connection between him and Rukia. He has a need to save her because she helped him discover his power. There have been tons of stories with emotion, such as Chad and his grandfather, or Uryuu and his grandfather. Much of it can be dismissed as cliche, but the stories still contain emotion and provide a purpose and direction for the eventual battles.

As far as the guy who wrote that blog that was linked in the opening post, that blog is an example of your typical otaku fanboy with bad grammar and spelling, that has WAY too much time on his hands.
You just yourself proved why it's not a great anime. The entire explanation of yours is the structure for almost all shonen anime, kid gets powers, fights to protect everyone he loves, feels guilty of parent's death. That has been done so many times. Bleach doesn't just lack depth, it lacks originality. All the characters are pure unoriginal archetypes. The ruthless but dedicated main character. The strong and silent brawler.The annoing girl that needs saving. The glass-wearing cool guy, all of it has been done numerous times. Sure, Bleach is doing ok in its' own genre, because it takes all the safe steps, not risking anything by introducing something new. But overall, as an anime, it is just average. Ecen the fights aren't that great, really. It works more like a video game than an anime. Fight guys, level up in power, figh tstrong boss guy, repeat many times. Don't forget different powers that characters have, like ice, and super speed. That hasn't been done before. And you can always tell who wins the fights. The whole SS arc works in a way that leads up to each of Ichigo's big fights. A story shouldn't focus around the "boss battle" fights, the fights should focus around the story.

AznPoi

01-19-2007, 06:46 AM

Ok first of all the Naruto thing was a joke. Obviously some didn't catch it, but o well. Goku pew pew pew hulk.

Secondly, the Hulk's "opponents" didn't move faster than they're able to see. Remember to the nake eye all you see a dots all over the sky if you are watching DBZ fighting.

Thirdly, we all know that the stronger Goku and the Hulk gets the more constipated they look.

Fourthly, Goku is able to "shake the universe" when he's constipated. He wins, end of discussion. "Shaking universe" > holding a planet together.

Fifth, DBZ is more realistic than this "Savage Hulk". I mean they still die with no air... this Hulk just never dies...

Sixth, Goku will pull a SSJ5 on you if this continues.

Seventh, it's like only you that see the Hulk winning. Everyone thinks Goku wins.

There 7 good reason to why Goku wins.

SnowManZero

01-19-2007, 09:00 AM

As a general opinion, the filler's are quite usually the most hated part's of any serie's, due to their standstill nature, in at least as much as character development and at most the overall storyline. No new relevant information will be revealed.

It basically act's as a seperate continuity within that specific world, while at the same time being a part of that world.

Another rule of thumb, generally speaking, is that an anime specific character will die by the end of the arc and will not kill any manga related character's.

Also, due to the varying amount's of time which it take's to get the manga firther ahead(at least far enough to make about 50 or so episode's) filler's can ast anywhere from 2 flashback episode's to multiple arc's (like naruto, I think).

finally, filler's can parody/imitate/rip off the original manga serie's, like bleach did. The episode's in the soul society is almost the same thing as what happen's in the first 64 episode's.

ultimate

01-19-2007, 10:38 AM

I agree with ~master_aizen, the stereotypical characters and storyline is the base of most shounen anime [eg. Ichigo fights to protect family/friends, Goku fights to protect family/friends/Earth], I think the only difference between all shounen animes is how the creator of the anime presents the story and characters and how s/he tries to make the anime different from other shounen anime so nobody can say stuff like "this is exactly like dbz" or "this is just a crap version of rurouni kenshin" In my opinion, Bleach is doing quite well as a shounen genre anime

Silhouette

01-19-2007, 11:34 AM

And to add to that:

8. Once again. The speed of light > sound. You have to be joking to say that they can't move as fast as, if not faster than the speed of light. Naruto characters(Haku) move at the speed of light. DBZ/GT > Naruto.

9. You say that he'd have to be at least SSJ2 to blow off Hulk's head? SSJ3-4 would just be for insurance then?

10. You don't need to be anywhere near Hulk to blow his head off. That's the point of Ki attacks. They are long range attacks.

11. You make it sound like Goku can't be a SSJ for more than 5 seconds. Yeah, it drains him, but don't count on him losing his powers in 5 seconds while fighting the Hulk. You have any idea how long it'll take for Goku's powers to get drained? Quite awhile.

Insight

01-19-2007, 12:02 PM

MQ scanlation is out on rapidshare see here.
http://rapidshare.com/files/12335675/One_20Piece_20-_20Chapter_20441.rar
was a pretty good chapter i liked the way that they made blackbeards power work.
enjoy.

_mike_

01-19-2007, 01:35 PM

ye well also, when he trained in the hyperbolic time chamber, he trained so hard, that SSJ1 didnt bother him any more.......SSJ3 reeli drained goku. and SSJ4 too

however whichever dimwit that says hulk will win is either blind or stupid. have any of you guys seen what goku could do rite in the beginning of the series? and have u seen wot the hulk does? compare them and see who comes out on top.
kthxbai

Jay3205

01-19-2007, 05:03 PM

Secondly, the Hulk's "opponents" didn't move faster than they're able to see. Remember to the nake eye all you see a dots all over the sky if you are watching DBZ fighting.
Thirdly, we all know that the stronger Goku and the Hulk gets the more constipated they look.
Fourthly, Goku is able to "shake the universe" when he's constipated. He wins, end of discussion. "Shaking universe" > holding a planet together.
Fifth, DBZ is more realistic than this "Savage Hulk". I mean they still die with no air... this Hulk just never dies...
Sixth, Goku will pull a SSJ5 on you if this continues.
Seventh, it's like only you that see the Hulk winning. Everyone thinks Goku wins.
There 7 good reason to why Goku wins.

First, Goku's ability to shake the universe won't help him win. That just shows that ki is able to travel far without losing strength. He has never done a universe shaking attack, so it's not gonna help him win. Hulk has no ability to shake the universe because he has no type of energy or magic to do so.

Second, these are both manga/comic book characters; neither are realistic. Hulk doesn't need air? Neither does Frieza. Hulk is able to be killed, just not easily.

Third, SSJ5 Goku doesn't exist, and he never will outside of fandom. If SSJ5 Goku does somehow become real, the Hulk's strength would just increase proportionally, and Goku's new transformation would simply tire him out even faster.

Six, Kamehameha <<< planet sized asteroid flying at you. This is along the same reasoning that SSJ Goku needing Piccolo to lift a bus <x100< the Hulk lifting a mountain. A ki blast could be easily deflected from a long range.

Seven, complete vaporization of Hulk's head requires alot of strength. At Hulk's minimum, Goku would need to be SSJ2 to be roughly on par with the Hulk. If Hulk gets even a little bit angrier, his strength would begin shooting up out of Goku's range, and he'd quickly be too strong for Goku. Going up past SSJ2 would put a heavy limit on how long Goku could fight.

Nobody has addressed the fact that SSJ4 Goku can barely lift a building, and Hulk can lift much more. SSJ4 Goku has never shown that kind of strength in any battle. SSJ4 and SSJ3 Goku tire out quickly. Many characters are capable of beating Goku who are not anime characters, such as Silver Surfer, many versions of Superman, Jean Grey (as Phoenix). These characters could beat any DBZ character fairly easily, and the Hulk has strength on par with them.

I'm not a dimwit; I simply know that Goku's displayed fighting strength is far less than the Hulk's displayed strength. Unless my math is wrong, billions is more than millions. After comparing them, Hulk's mountain-sized feats are greater than Goku's building-sized feats. I don't like Hulk, and I think it's pretty dumb that any character should have limitless strength w/o severe drawbacks (i.e. Goku's stamina with uppers SSJ levels). However, the difference in their strengths shown is pretty big.

Jay3205

01-19-2007, 06:59 PM

Without bankai or ogichi, Ichigo doesn't stand much chance. Ichigo probably can't match Sephiroth in pure swordsmanship, and (assuming he at least has shikai) getsuga tenshou would be easy enough to dodge with Sephiroth's skill, speed, and apparent flying ability.

Silhouette

01-19-2007, 08:22 PM

But, since it's Ichigo vs KH Sephiroth. Ichigo has all of his abilities, and Seph has all of his KH ones. Stop whining, stop trying to get rid of Ichigo's powers, stop trying to make Sephiroth a god. KH Sephiroth loses. Plain and simple.

gwcommander

01-19-2007, 09:15 PM

Im not for sure about that one tasogare i mean when you watch Ichigo move in his bankai he moves so fast taht he almost disappears or gives the illusion of many of himself. No doubt Sepheroth is not a spring chicken but he would lose just because he would underestimate Ichigo and lose. but if he took it seriously i think he could win.

Silhouette

01-19-2007, 09:25 PM

When I said "he", I meant Sephiroth. :whatevah:

And whether he's fighting all out or not, he's still getting pwned by Ichigo. Hollow Bankai Ichigo > KH Sephiroth.

Jay3205

01-19-2007, 09:32 PM

KH Sephiroth got beat by someone who is slower and packs less strength than Bankai Ichigo. Even in cutscenes, Sephiroth's performance is less than Ichigo.

M_Ghey

01-19-2007, 09:56 PM

Bleach is doing more than well as a shonen anime, but only as a shonen anime.

♥ Tess

01-19-2007, 10:51 PM

yea, awesome show.
it's really old so my subs are kinda LQ.
still, something worth watching

yourmom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_of_Recca

^

ichi-ichi-tactic

01-19-2007, 11:09 PM

Hmmm we should stop using hollow ichigo as an excuse, considering it isn't really Ichigo, it's shirosaki. Unless you've read the manga and got to the point where Ichigo learns how to control it, but we don't take that since not everyone reads it.

gwcommander

01-19-2007, 11:25 PM

I just think he can take out sepherioth without hallow/soul reaper thing. Just bankai will do the trick.

IceDragonHyourinmaru

01-20-2007, 01:05 AM

Renji, the last time I checked(haven't read the manga), can't Shunpo.

Renji shunpo's in The Sealed Sword Frenzy + the new bleach eps xD.

I say Renji will totally KILL naruto even with the nine tailed fox thingy. Renji Bankai (He has a damn DRAGON!) ----> sum gay fox with 9 dicks. guess who wins? lol i have to admit Naruto is ownage wen hes a Gay Fox but cmon look at Renji then Gay Fox Dude. Well imo Renji cud easily chop the fox up and make a feast at soul society ( Yum special meat! lol).

niS

01-20-2007, 05:45 AM

Definitely Top 5 list of anime, right here.

Too bad the series ended so abruptly. He didn't even unleash all of the dragons! ><;

♥ Tess

01-20-2007, 05:52 AM

he didn't??
i thought he did release the 8th dragon ;/

i can't remember since it been a while

niS

01-20-2007, 05:55 AM

Ummm... not in the series from the early 90's. I have the complete boxset, and I believe he only released 4 of them...

He didn't even get to kill Kurei, either. :(

AznPoi

01-20-2007, 06:18 AM

If you put it that way, a radiation inducing cannon or whatever can blow up a planet since it can chop off the Hulk's leg.

This "vector" guy is actually stronger than all the DBZ character because he can rip the flesh off the Hulk.

The ability to "shake the universe" is to show how strong Goku is.

SSJ4 Goku can barely lift a build, but then again, didn't anyone tell you that anything past the Cell Saga is DBZ fillers?

OOOOOOO the Hulk lifted a mountain while just about any of the DBZ characters can blow up a planet. Hell, Piccolo/The Hermit blew up the moon in just DB when they were powerlevels 100ish.

This is just Comics fanboyism. None of your arguments make any sense. You keep going, OMG Goku can't lift up a building. OMG he's weakzors, he can never beat the Hulk now. Then you're like, OMG the Hulk will just get madder then blah blah blah. Wow, why don't you just marry the Hulk if you are so in love with him. Seriously, what's the point of even posting if you keep saying the Hulk is indestructible?

After comparing them, Hulk's mountain-sized feats are greater than Goku's building-sized feats. I don't like Hulk, and I think it's pretty dumb that any character should have limitless strength w/o severe drawbacks (i.e. Goku's stamina with uppers SSJ levels). However, the difference in their strengths shown is pretty big.

You consider lifting a feat and not planet blowing??? We've seen in like every DBZ saga a planet getting blown up. In the Buu Saga, the universe almost went away. The DBGT isn't even a Saga. It's a filler.

Your only argument is that the Hulk lifted a mountain while Goku lifted a building in a filler saga.

How about I put it in terms of Bleach?
The more reiatsu/energy condensed the more powerful the shot/attack. Lets see, Ishida can barely lift a table. Mayuri's bankai could lift like a car. So according to your logic, Mayuri's bankai will win which is erm.... WRONG

With a pinky, Goku can destroy a planet 10 times over. There shouldn't even have been a topic to argue over.

ninjabot

01-20-2007, 07:55 AM

Err...planet destroying is a feat. That's why in the FIRST post I made in this thread, I explained how Hulk destroyed a meteor TWICE the size of earth with a single punch. Goku can destroy a planet...by blasting it's core and causing it to gradually crumble the way Frieza did Namek. Goku has never destroyed a planet by punching it. And I already stated earlier that a ki based attack MAY destroy Hulk...but then again, I dunno.

Spirit Bomb might do it, if Goku can weather smash after smash while absorbing the necessary ki. Or, he could just teleport out of reach, then begin the charging process...if he's out of orbit, that is, because Savage Hulk is known to jump sub-orbit levels and survive re-entry. Hmm...I still give the win to Hulk.

AznPoi

01-20-2007, 08:16 AM

Ok, I'm going to say it one more time.

THIS ISN'T A CONTEST

You guys are focusing on the outer physical strength. Basically you are judging a book by its cover. Read the Ishida example again please. If you ask Ishida to break a table by punching it, then it will never happen. Yet, he holds enormous energy inside.

Have you seen the Radizk or something the early one with the introduction of Vegeta? Vegeta and gang were easily able to power up planets even like at powerlevel 1000 with ease.Then you got Frieza blowing up the Saiyan planet with one finger and so forth.

You are putting too much emphasis on "Spirit bomb" as your only way of measuring how strong an energy attack is. Spirit bomb becomes like obsolete past SSJ since it's so fricken weak. Except when they try to kill like Buu with it since they used ALL THE LIVING ENERGY IN THE UNIVERSE as well as ALL THE ENERGY OF THE DEAD PEOPLE. Ok, that spirit bomb didn't blow up a planet did it? So does that make it weaker than the one used to try Frieza with? Hell no, so you shouldn't be judging Ki attacks based on if it can slowly blow a planet or not.

The fact of the matter is no matter what you say won't change the fact that Goku can just kill the Hulk with a pinky.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 09:28 AM

Frieza chickened out, and didn't blow up planet Namek instantly. Why? He didn't want to be in the explosion. He blew up planet Vegeta with his finger. That was while he was in his first form, which is significantly weaker than Goku btw. Planet Vegeta was much larger than Namek, right? You really think Frieza gave it his all to destroy Namek? No, he didn't.

Spirit bomb didn't blow up the planet because it only touched a bit of the surface. I think it hit Buu, and sent him into outerspace with it? Spirit Bomb's strength depends on the source of its power.

You're trying to measure sheer strength here. Strength doesn't win fights. Goku is smarter, faster, and more experienced when it comes to fighting muscle heads. That, and his Ki is far more destructive than Hulk's brute force. If Goku wanted to, he could destroy quite a few planets in SSJ4 by just going kamekaze like Vegeta did on Buu. But, since that would kill him also, let's forget about that..

Radiation blasts can blow off the Hulk's limbs, no? Goku's Kamehameha is just about equal to that of a nuke. Do you deny this?

@Azn: The reason why Goku doesn't use Spirit Bomb while he's SSJ, is because he can't, not because its useless. Something about the negative energy from the anger and hatred needed to become a SSJ that keeps him from using the Spirit Bomb.

Insight

01-20-2007, 01:48 PM

the complete box set is not complete then as there were 42 episodes in total and the manga went on past this to a proper conclusion. still i really liked this anime although it was a bit to cliche at the start i really liked it by the end.

Shingi

01-20-2007, 06:19 PM

Does anyone know any good source to download some Full Metal Alchemist dubs? Im looking everywhere and can't seem to find them. Thanks for your help. :Domo

davidn15

01-20-2007, 06:25 PM

try da-anime.org. But here's a tip first of all. It uploads all of its files onto megaupload. This is how you get past the download limit. Once the 45 secs are over instead of clicking the link, right click and do save as. You can get as many episodes as you want without waiting 5 hours between downloads.

Shingi

01-20-2007, 06:33 PM

Thanks alot for the time saving tip. ^^

davidn15

01-20-2007, 06:35 PM

no problem

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 07:44 PM

Just as Ishida's can't use muscles to break a table, the Hulk can't use a ki blast to do anything. It doesn't mean he's automatically weaker than someone who can use ki. My arguments so far have been 100% true. I think most people don't think Hulk can beat Goku because he has no ki blasts and they do not know much about comic book Hulk.

Frieza's one finger feat isn't that impressive (in DBZ terms) because his ki is doing the work. He uses one finger to do his death ball, but that doesn't mean it's only 1 finger worth of power. If you go by the logic of Master Roshi blowing up the moon with a power level in the hundreds, then Krillin should be able to destroy dozens of planets by the end of DBZ with little effort, something I doubt he can do.

Ki blasts are like bombs that can be knocked away. If Hulk is able to deflect it, the explosive power inside is useless. Considering Hulk has limitless strength, he must surely have enough strength to do this. If you use Cell games as an example, Goku had enough power in his Kamehameha to destroy the planet if he shot it downwards, but he instead shot it upwards at point blank on Cell. The explosion was big, but not near nuclear. If it was nuclear, Krillen, Tien, Mr. Satan, and Mr. Satan's camera crew would've been killed by the explosion. If a charged SSJ kamehameha isn't even nuclear, blowing up a planet with powerful ki attacks doesn't seem quite so fantastic anymore.

Hulk, on the other hand, has survived nuclear bombs, where the temperature is far hotter than the sun. I believed Baby from DBGT was killed by the sun, and SSJ4 Goku is somewhat close to Baby in strength. On top of this, Goku has only has a short while to somehow kill Hulk while using SSJ3, and even less time in SSJ4. He tires out pretty quickly compared to the near infinite stamina of the Hulk.

I'm no comic fanboy. I haven't even read a Hulk comic book in my life, but I decide to look up info online before picking a side in debates. At one time, I would've also said Goku would instantly win with no trouble, but now I know Goku =/= instant win. Hulk is far physically stronger than Goku, and any ki blasts of Goku could be deflected or regenerated from if need be. This leaves Goku unable to hurt the Hulk past a point, and his energy supply will run out.

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/incrediblefeats.html

Mugen

01-20-2007, 07:52 PM

I`m goin with Mugen because his erratic movements would probably throw Afro Samurai off and then he`d go for the kill and for anyone who differs I`d like to see Afro take on 3 crazy powerful pshycos who got nothin to lose.

Mugen

01-20-2007, 08:01 PM

Now come on you people should know better NOT to put ANY DBZ characters into a battle unless it`s against others because they`re incredibly cheap and I`d like to see Hulk take a blast that could split the world in half.

Mugen

01-20-2007, 08:07 PM

now for people who play king of fighters you know about the rivalry between Kyo and Iori so I wanna know who do you think is gonna win?? I want GOOD reasons not 1 sentence ok?

reaverofsouls05

01-20-2007, 08:10 PM

Iori Yagami would win. He is a devil and not to mention that orochi blood in him. His attacks are way better than Kyo's and there is just really no way Kyo could win against a guy that will not hesitate to rip your guts out. It is also said that Iori has killed every teamate he has ever had after the KOF tournament as done a man that heartless with that much hate and skill just cant get beaten.

Mugen

01-20-2007, 08:14 PM

^ you pretty much just took the thoughts right out of my head. Iori Yagami os actually one cold hearted bastard who doesn`t give a crap about anything except killing Kyo Kusanagi and Kyo is pretty much just...a homesick guy that can put up a pretty decent fight.

niS

01-20-2007, 09:03 PM

Oh yes I know there were 42 episodes, and I Have them all.

It is a complete boxset because it's every single anime episode made. Just because they cut it halfway through, doesn't make it any less complete.

They did the same thing with Berserk. Which was one of the greatest anime series of all time, imho. :o

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 09:13 PM

...and I`d like to see Hulk take a blast that could split the world in half.

He has destroyed a planetoid 2x the size of Earth. An asteroid 10 miles wide hitting earth is enough to end most forms of life on the planet (except some stuff that seem to survive everything, like roaches). An asteroid 2x the size of earth would not split the planet; it would obliterate it and keep on moving. Besides, when has Goku ever split a planet with a blast?

Mugen

01-20-2007, 09:19 PM

ever played Budokai 2?? Goku split an entire moon in half just with his regular kamehameha. Imagine an 100x Big Bang kamehameha? and The blast still kept going even after the moon was split in half.

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 09:26 PM

ever played Budokai 2?? Goku split an entire moon in half just with his regular kamehameha. Imagine an 100x Big Bang kamehameha? and The blast still kept going even after the moon was split in half.

Video games are not canon.

Lee2

01-20-2007, 09:27 PM

I would like to know who would win. Oh yah one rule Orhime and Sakura cannot heal themselves.

Mugen

01-20-2007, 09:31 PM

@Jay; well that part was actually in one of the movies but I haven`t seen that movie yet so I have to say I got that resource from the VG.

TheRapist

01-20-2007, 09:37 PM

The hulk cannot win this unless he is angered to an extreme point.
Wait, even then he can't win. All Goku has to do is stay in the air and the hulk can't touch him. If the hulk tries to throw a piece of land at him, Goku will just use instant transmission.

Goku will win because when the fight starts, they are both at their normal strength. All he has to do is power up into ssj4 and blast hulk with his strongest attack BEFORE he gets angry.

Bye bye hulk....and the planet

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 09:37 PM

@supersaiyanmugen; Movies are not canon either, and they would rather hurt your point than help you. The sun is pretty much the ultimate way to kill people in the movies (i.e. Broly and Cooler); DBZ characters die simply by getting near the sun. Hulk can survive temperatures much hotter than the sun's surface, so that shows Hulk's durability > DBZ attacks.

@TheRapist; The Hulk's strength is already around SSJ2 strength, so he would not need to be angered much to become stronger than Goku. The Hulk can survive anything SSJ4 Goku throws at him, and he can survive in space. This means bye bye Goku cause of no oxygen, but Hulk still lives.

If this thread is canon DBZ (only the original + DB), or noncanon (DBGT and movies), please say so. Noncanon is illogical and would hurt you rather than help your arguements (kid Goku can defeat an opponent that SSJ4 Goku couldn't...).

TheRapist

01-20-2007, 09:41 PM

Well, if they can't heal, then sakura.
Just punch her once lol.

Lee2

01-20-2007, 09:44 PM

Yah true I just want to see what people will say lol

TheRapist

01-20-2007, 09:48 PM

Either way, the hulk can't hit Goku.
Can the hulk live without food?

Goku can teleport him into an area in space with no planets nearby and teleport back to Earth.
He will be stranded.A few days later, he will die.

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 09:52 PM

The Hulk can hit Goku. He can hit opponents moving faster than the speed of sound. Seeing that Goku is not significantly faster than this (if at all), the Hulk can hit him. Goku can't simply teleport to random locations in space, he needs to lock onto a ki signature.

TheRapist

01-20-2007, 09:55 PM

Good point. I guess he could teleport him to a secluded planet like king kai's place and destroy that planet.
Then teleport back to Earth.

silverwolf801

01-20-2007, 10:01 PM

Flame of Recca is the best but it never really ended with all the problems that they still didn't solve

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 10:02 PM

Good point. I guess he could teleport him to a secluded planet like king kai's place and destroy that planet.
Then teleport back to Earth.

True (as I said back on page 1 of this thread), but that requires Goku destroy a planet with (a few) people on it, which he probably wouldn't do unless Hulk was threatening to destroy a planet's worth of people. However this method is possible. My point would be that in a direct fight, Hulk would win.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 10:08 PM

Omg! Goku is definately faster than the speed of sound.

Stop using Instant Trasmission the way you're using it. He doesn't fight that way, its more of an escape technique. Goku's normal speed is fast enough anyway.

@Jay: One thing you seem to be forgetting. They enemies aren't simply thrown into the Sun. They are blasted into it. That's Kamehameha(usually) + the Sun.

Can Hulk survive a planet's explosion? Most likely not. Especially if he's caught in the blast that caused that planet to explode.

All Goku has to do is power-up high enough to surpass Hulk's strength before he gets angry. Kamehameha/Dragon Fist would do the trick, and if it doesn't, the planet exploding would. Let's say Hulk loses a few limbs, and is thrown into the planet's core by the attack, while trying to regenerate. I doubt he'd be able to survive the planet's explosion, while in the core, while trying to heal himself.

THEN Goku uses Instant Transmission just before the planet explodes, leaving a severly weakened(if not dead) Hulk to take the full blast.

TheRapist

01-20-2007, 10:11 PM

In a direct fight, Goku may not be able to kill the Hulk, but the hulk will not be able to kill Goku because of transporting anywhere on the planet to recover if he got hurt.

Goku might be able to send the Hulk to pluto and try to freeze him lol.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 10:15 PM

Goku can move around while charging his Kamehameha. SSJ4 Kamehameha + the planet's explosion = dead Hulk. Whether people want to believe it or not.

You're going to say, but Goku wouldn't destroy a planet, would he? That's where the Dragon Balls come in. And since they are on two different planets. Bam!

Then you're going to say that he wouldn't take the lives of others, just to win, even if he could bring them back. Well, the SSJ4 Goku aint that nice. Not at first anyway..

Besides, who cares. If its an all out battle, expect the unexpected.

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 10:21 PM

@Tasogare: The fact that the Z-fighters need the sun is their strength alone is not enough. Their blast pushes them into the sun, and the sun burns them to death. The blast doesn't explode and destroy them.

I'm not sure what you mean by using IT "that way". The only way I've used it is to say that Goku must use it by locking onto another ki signature. I never used it as a way to fight.

As much as Goku powers up, there's nothing to show that Hulk couldn't deflect his powerful techniques. Considering his strength, he's most likely able to do this. A dragonfist wouldn't help all that much, seeing how it's extremely concentrated and would punch a hole through Hulk if strong enough. He'd simply become angrier while healing at the same time (his healing isn't voluntary, it's automatic). Besides, nobody in DBZ has ever started off using their strongest attacks.

As for planet explosion, it would probably kill Hulk making Goku the winner. But, it requires Goku killing other people and also assumes that this takes place in DBZ world where King Kai's planet exists (if it wasn't already destroyed). Goku would most likely not do this unless Hulk was trying to kill many many Earth people.

재

01-20-2007, 10:23 PM

huh? didn't Recca release all the dragons?
the last one is that Old man isn't it? that has one eyed

Mugen

01-20-2007, 10:23 PM

@jay: as Taso stated if you`ve seen GT SSJ4 Goku isn`t so nice as to think about things like that >_> and there`s also no proof that Hulk could withstand Goku`s attacks as well so this battle has to be deemed a tie.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 10:29 PM

@Jay: I was refering to the others about the Transmission. They were saying that he'd simply use it as a dodging technique. That's not what its for. It's for hastey retreats.

As for the blast, it damages them as they are being pushed towards the Sun. The Sun simply finishes the job.

Anwho. Hulk would most likely go on a rampage, and kill everyone anyway. By the time they're fighting, most of the people of Earth would either be dead, or at a random tournament. If the Hulk hasn't killed anyone yet, then Goku would realize this, and transport them to another planet. Where he fought Buu perhaps? He'd lock onto the Kai's ki. There, he is free to blow things up. O_o;

The Kai's don't matter btw. >.>

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 10:36 PM

Since you insist on using DBGT, I'll say it again. SSJ4 can barely lift a building. Hulk is exponentially stronger, so a concentrated Kamehameha would be easily deflected by someone much weaker than himself. A planet flying at you is weaker than a beam that's not even nuclear.

The sun argument doesn't change the fact that the sun could destroy most DBZ characters. The characters seem to be pushed by the blasts, not damaged (beyond minor injury perhaps). The blasts don't somehow add to the "power level" of the sun.

Goku has dragonballs? No, this is a fight w/o items, so Goku can't use dragonballs. You assume the fight is in DBZ world, where he might as well use the dragonballs to wish Hulk to automatically lose. You're basing Goku's win off the fact that in DBZ world, he can ignore Hulk and run away to another planet to win. That's not a good argument.

Mugen

01-20-2007, 10:37 PM

The FFVIII characters would win..........they`re just simply too powerful. Selphie could just cast the End and everyone would die Squall does Lionheart kills one Zell does his duel limit someone else dies Irvine uses his pulse ammo lots of people die, RInoa makes everyone invincible, Quistis uses SHockwave pulsar most people die. This is a pretty unfair match

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 10:43 PM

Ok.

1. He did so when fighting once. I can't remember who it was, I'll have to look it up. I think it was against one of the Dragons. And you're going to say that GT doesn't count? Since the maker of the thread didn't exclude GT, you fail.

2. Who cares! You're missing the point entirely! Ki is NOT physical strength. The fact that he can't lift a building has NOTHING to do with his Ki energy. And it doesn't matter if its nuclear or not, since it can do damage far greater than a nuke.

3. You can't wish for someone to lose. Ok, f the Dragon Balls. If you want to use the fact that Goku is a kind-hearted loser against him, then I'll say this.

The fight is in another dimension. One planet. Goku blows it up, Hulk dies, and in the DBZ universe, his friends wish him back to their dimension. He is then wished back to life. Fight over, Hulk's dead.

Either that, or call it a draw. Goku has more than enough Ki power, not physical strength, to kill the Hulk. The only reason he won't is because he is far too nice to kill others in the process. This match is either a draw, or a win for Goku.

Mugen

01-20-2007, 10:43 PM

*yawn* WHERE do you see a rule where you can`t use Gt hm? hm? there`s no rule against it and since it`s the same Goku stop complainin about it and regardless Goku can still instant Transmission and where do you get the fact that he can hardly lift up a building when he`s never even attempted to.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 10:57 PM

Yeah, but I just bet you that those FFVII fans are going to come here, and make their characters gods.

*waits for the posts about Materia, Jenova, and other bs*

This thread to far too broad. It would get hectic and confusing if it kicks off. People will be debating about different fights, and..yeah.. Its better that the fights are in their own seperate threads.

Insight

01-20-2007, 11:09 PM

yeah thats what i remember
he had a fight with kurei right at the end and the leader dragon was actually his and kurei's dad who had to chose who he would give his power too. in the end he chose recca.

niS: yeah berserk was another awesome anime and shame they ended it prematurely.

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 11:20 PM

I know ki =/= physical strength. However, fighters can affect ki by hitting with their hands and feet. The strongest people in DBZ and DBGT get pushed back while physically trying to hold back a kamehameha. Hulk, being magnitudes physically stronger than the strongest DBGT character, could easily deflect any ki blast thrown at him since he is physically stronger than anybody in DBGT land.

The sun > Goku's kamehameha in destructive power. Hulk > sun. Hence, Hulk > Goku's kamehameha; Goku can't win because he's not strong enough to beat the Hulk, via ki blasts or physical attack.

You're missing the point of "no dragonballs" and "no planet blowing up". It forces Goku to actually fight directly against the Hulk instead of finding ways to win without confronting him.

You might as well say Bulma > Goku because their friends could choose to wish Goku to be erased from existance. In a fighting debate, it doesn't work that way. It's to see who could beat who in a FIGHT, using their abilities against their opponent. It's not a debate of, "I win because my friends could revive me."

If you remove Goku's "nice guy" personality, then I'll remove the "Bruce Banner" side of Hulk, making him a whole lot stronger than before.

My reasoning:
Hulk strength >>> SSJ4Goku strength
Hulk strength >>> SSJ4Goku ki attacks
Hulk wins (logical)

How a debate should not go:
1) Goku blows up planet
2) Goku and Hulk die
[match should end in a tie at this point, but...]
3) Goku's friends arrive and revive Goku, so Goku wins

At most, Goku should be tying this match or losing.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 11:32 PM

lmao?

I know ki =/= physical strength. However, fighters can affect ki by hitting with their hands and feet. The strongest people in DBZ and DBGT get pushed back while physically trying to hold back a kamehameha. Hulk, being magnitudes physically stronger than the strongest DBGT character, could easily deflect any ki blast thrown at him since he is physically stronger than anybody in DBGT land.

Magnitudes? Not really.

The sun > Goku. Hulk > sun. Hence, Hulk > Goku; Goku can't win because he's not strong enough to beat the Hulk, via ki blasts or physical attack.

SSJ4 Kamehameha + Exploding planet > Hulk.
SSJ4 Kamehameha + Sun > Hulk.
Spirit Bomb + SSJ4 Kamehameha + Exploding Planet > Hulk.

Hulk can't sense energy, and is a dumbass. Goku could hide and charge up a Spirit Bomb(depending on where they're fighting, and if he can gather energy from his surroundings or not). The Spirit Bomb is charged, and he flies above it. Hulk tries to attack him, and he uses all of his energy to create a Kamehameha to blow Hulk into the Spirit Bomb.

SSJ4 Kamehameha + Spirit Bomb.

Hulk, now being hit by the Kamehameha & Spirit Bomb is blown down towards the planet they're fighting on. The planet explodes.

SSJ4 Kamehameha + Spirit Bomb + Planet Explosion > Hulk.

They both die. Draw, fight over.

You're missing the point of "no dragonballs" and "no planet blowing up". It forces Goku to actually fight directly against the Hulk instead of finding ways to win without confronting him.

You might as well say Bulma > Goku because their friends could choose to wish Goku to be erased from existance. In a fighting debate, it doesn't work that way. It's to see who could beat who in a FIGHT, using their abilities against their opponent. It's not a debate of, "I win because my friends could revive me."

Um, no. I was stating, that if you wanted to be cheap like that, then I could be cheap as well. And you apparently don't know how the DBs work. You can't wish for someone to be killed or wish them out of existance.

If you remove Goku's "nice guy" personality, then I'll remove the "Bruce Banner" side of Hulk, making him a whole lot stronger than before.

No one's removing anything. It is a fact that the SSJ4 Goku, before Pan brings him to his senses, doesn't give a rats ass about anyone.

You actually believe that a moronic brute can beat someone with brains, and strength/speed/Ki energy that is nothing to shrug off?

{edit}lmao. Way to edit your post while I was posting.

SSJ4 Ki attacks can...forget it.

You say that it is either a draw or a loss for Goku. I say that it is either a draw or a loss for Hulk. Draw it is then?

Shingi

01-20-2007, 11:34 PM

Goku hands down wins this, just the fact that he can control his power > the hulk.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 11:37 PM

And Hulk supposedly has infinate strength. That's just ridiculous and illogical. Obviously, people should stop whining about DBZ/GT characters, and start complaining against American Comic characters.

davidn15

01-20-2007, 11:46 PM

the only reason goku doesn't blow up a planet isn't because he can't. it's because he's too good to do it and wouldn't want to hurt innocents

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 11:46 PM

Yes, I believe a moronic brute could beat somebody with strength + ki + intelligence. You know, the same way Fat Buu would've beat Vegeta before he self-destructed.

If SSJ4 Goku is one of the top strongest fighters in DBGT, then yes, Hulk is magnitudes stronger than him.

If SSJ4 Goku blasts Kamehameha at Hulk, what's stopping him from punching it straight back at him? Pretty much nothing. Wait, how'd he get behind spirit bomb in the first place? Of course, by "convenience-to-argument jutsu".

SSJ4Goku vs. SSJ4Goku's own attack= Goku is injured pretty badly

By repeating the "Goku blows up planet" argument, it's pretty much just another way to let Goku somehow win/tie without directly confronting the Hulk. What's to prevent Hulk from pushing back a spirit bomb? After all, Buu could push back a universal spirit bomb, and the Hulk is stronger than Buu.

As for being illogical, yes, many American comic book characters are. Pre-crisis Superman had no limit as well; he chose how strong and how fast he was. Hulk's unlimited strength is another one of those ridiculous powers, but he has them regardless.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 11:49 PM

I edited my last post, kinda like how you edited yours while I was posting mine. >.>

davidn15

01-20-2007, 11:50 PM

Why Goku Would Obviously Win
*Now obviously i'm not going into spirit bomb cuz he wouldn't have the time.
1. Goku is probably close to Hulks's strength.
2. His ki attacks would destroy Hulk
3. Goku can move at the speed of light
4. Hulk can't fly
5. Hulk can't go at the speed of light
6. Hulk can't do long distance well
7. If Goku can beat a guy who can regenerate from a cloud he can beat buu.
8. Finally...It's Goku

davidn15

01-20-2007, 11:51 PM

i just can't picture hulk winning

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 11:53 PM

1. Try not to double post.

2. Hulk can jump high and far, another random stupid ability.

3. I have a new enemy. Forget Sephiroth and Cloud. Hulk, your time has come.

davidn15

01-20-2007, 11:54 PM

as for goku being smart...that's so far from the truth...and this is coming from someone who's a big goku fan.

Jay3205

01-20-2007, 11:56 PM

I'd admit it to be a tie then.

{Edit}
About all these edits, this topic moves fairly fast recently. Sometimes I write a post responding to an argument, only to find more responses were slipped in between mine and the one I was responding to, so I make an edit to add or change some stuff around a bit to fit in the new stuff.

Hulk isn't the worst comic book character out there though. Doomsday is alot worse... he can revive unlimited amount of times and can't be killed the same way twice.

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 11:57 PM

Goku is the stereotypical anime main character. Intelligence-none, but when it comes to battle strategies, he is rather brilliant(when he's not being a brute).

Alright then...

davidn15

01-20-2007, 11:57 PM

Goku has battle experience, but he can be really dumb and not to mention how naive he's always been. Not to mention he's a grown man who can defend the universe but is still afraid of getting shots

Silhouette

01-20-2007, 11:59 PM

All of which have nothing to do with fighting. Hulk has the brains of a..well..he has none. He wouldn't be able to use Goku's naivity against him like Frieza or Cell.

Hulk "smashes", he doesn't use needles.

davidn15

01-21-2007, 12:04 AM

This is how the fight would go
Goku would start normal and after getting his but kicked, realizes that its not going to be as easy as he thought and goes super saiyan. Fights for a while...their well matched but goku still has trouble... so he just skips ssj2 and goes straight to 3. Goku kicks the crap out of hulk and walks away saying he doesn't want to kill him just stop fighting(thats the naivity). Since Hulk is spiritually weak he sneaks attack goku without goku sensing. Goku gets pounded into the ground. Hulk goes crazy and gains the upper hand once again. Goku goes ssj4 and this time decides to finish him off. Uses kamehameha blast a hole through hulk's gut. end of story.

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 12:07 AM

i've seen what sakura can do after the time skip, orihime gets pwned badly. i barely doubt tsubaki will help. he'll probably get ripped to shred by kuna and shuriken. and as for orihime, a punch or two should do it

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 12:08 AM

Except Hulk can apparently regenerate.

The match has been decided to be a draw. Stop making it worse.. -_-"

davidn15

01-21-2007, 12:09 AM

are u serious he can regenerate? when did he get that power

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 12:15 AM

That's what I'd like to know. As if he wasn't ridiculous enough already, what with the infinate power and ability to breathe in space.

davidn15

01-21-2007, 12:17 AM

thats so messed. Goku would come up with something. I'm not sure what so i'll give up here.

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 12:35 AM

goku, naruto, and luffy. 50 bowls of ramen. discuss or vote or something.

personally, i choose luffy. the dude eats when hes sleeping O.O

davidn15

01-21-2007, 12:35 AM

goku hands down

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 12:36 AM

goku, naruto, and luffy. 1000 bowls of ramen. discuss or vote or something.

personally, i choose luffy. the dude eats when hes sleeping O.O

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 12:37 AM

goku, naruto, and luffy. all the ramen they could possibly make in the world. discuss or vote or something.

personally, i choose luffy. the dude eats when hes sleeping O.O

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 12:37 AM

lol...?

Well, before this thread gets pwned.. I go with Goku as well. Saiyans naturally have a larger appetite(sp?) than humans..

Then again, Luffy can stretch his stomach...right? Bah. Who cares..

davidn15

01-21-2007, 12:41 AM

goku ate out and entire restaurant as a 14 year old boy... now he would be ancient his appetite grew.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 01:02 AM

wow...........there`s no way one of these guys could possible win with all the food they eat so I`m gonna have to say tie. But if that option wasn`t there I`d pick Luffy

AznPoi

01-21-2007, 01:09 AM

I know ki =/= physical strength. However, fighters can affect ki by hitting with their hands and feet. The strongest people in DBZ and DBGT get pushed back while physically trying to hold back a kamehameha. Hulk, being magnitudes physically stronger than the strongest DBGT character, could easily deflect any ki blast thrown at him since he is physically stronger than anybody in DBGT land.

Wrong, physical strength has nothing to do with blocking Ki attacks.

Bleach lesson #2
Zaraki Kenpachi Vs Ichigo Kurosaki
Only when an opponent applies a stronger reiatsu/energy will you be able to cut to the opponent.

DBZ Ki concept
Often, you see them powering up and then the bad guys blow a billion Ki attacks at them, but they're unaffected by the blast at all. This proves that Ki attacks are just like Bleach's reiatsu.

Energy attacks come from the Chinese belief that everyone has a "chi" flow. And upon learning how to master it they will be able to do amazing feats.
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So the point is, Ki attacks is like a high intensity laser beam, just like that radiation cannon. NO MATTER how STRONG you are, if you get shot by a laser beam it will still cut you in half.

Seeing that the Hulk has no energy then he can't possibly block a Ki attack from any of the DBZ character.

I've won again WHOOT

Mugen

01-21-2007, 01:20 AM

I had a feeling something was wrong with his theory but didn`t know what.........well now I see that Goku is once again the victor in a long string of victory`s in the ANime arena

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 01:33 AM

Your ki argument doesn't make sense to me. There was no proof that physical power can't be used to push back a ki power. If physical power can't affect ki blasts, then how can ki affect something physical?

Besides, you even said that "everyone has a chi flow". Since the Hulk is a person, he has one also. Since chi = strength/speed in DBZ world (Gohan after drained of ki didn't have enough strength to move), Hulk would have a ton of ki. He just wouldn't know how to use it to do fancy tricks like flying or energy blasts. However, it would still be flowing through him and be in his hands when he blocks ki attacks.

AznPoi

01-21-2007, 01:43 AM

Your ki argument doesn't make sense to me. There was no proof that physical power can't be used to push back a ki power.

The proof is in the Bleach example. No matter how hard Ichigo tried to stab/cut Zaraki he couldn't until he focused his energy.

If physical power can't affect ki blasts, then how can ki affect something physical?

Do you live in reality? How can Ki affect something physical???
Ki is energy, energy affect reality. Fire burns wood, nuclear explosions (matter turned into energy).

Besides, you even said that "everyone has a chi flow". Since the Hulk is a person, he has one also.

Everyone does have a "chi" flow, but some is stronger than others. And I said that it came from the Chinese idea of chi flow. It's a belief, just like you some people believe there's a "soul". Obviously, American comics don't believe in "chi" so the Hulk gets no Chi flow.

Since chi = strength/speed in DBZ world (Gohan after drained of ki didn't have enough strength to move), Hulk would have a ton of ki. He just wouldn't know how to use it to do fancy tricks like flying or energy blasts.

Your Gohan example is flawed. He got the living bejesus beaten out of him and you expect him to move?????

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 01:44 AM

At first, this may seem like a stupid battle. Person vs Demi-God(and at short intervals, full god), but Cliff is not your average person. He's not even human actually. Super strength, speed, and stamina.

Anywho. Who do you think would win in a battle?

I think it would be a good battle to watch. Cliff's Max Shockwave technique could win it for him, unless Herc manages to deflect it.

Conditions:
- Battle is in the Colosseum(sp?).
- Herc is able to change into a god for short intervals like in the battles.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 01:54 AM

Who do you think would win this battle? The Flurry of Dancing Flames, or the Captain of the Black Dragon Brigade?

Me, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if the two of them became friends or something during their fight. They're so similar is sickening.

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 01:55 AM

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 01:58 AM

The battle of the large sword wielders. Who do you think would win?

Condition:
- Night time battle under the crecent moon. lmao. Gotta love the moon, eh? >.>;
- Open field arena.

Inuyasha:
- No help from anyone else, and don't bring up Kagome.. -_-"
- Has all of his abilities from the Manga in use.

Saix:
- No limits.
- He can go berserk, but since the moon isn't full, he probably won't be as powerful as he was when he fought Sora under the Kingdom Heart's Moon.

OR

Saix vs Sesshoumaru.

- One on one.
- Full moon, so Saix can go berserk with full power for short intervals.

Feel free to discuss either battle.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 02:01 AM

Chi is energy. Probably similar to Chakra from Naruto. If it is drained, you can still move, but you will feel very weak. And didn't Gohan get beat up before being drained of Chi? >.>

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 02:13 AM

I don't think Gohan was beat up. That kai on the sidelines paralyzed him, and the two henchman started draining him right off the bat (at least in the anime). I don't recall them ever really attacking him.

AznPoi

01-21-2007, 02:15 AM

In Bleach SS, everything is spirit particles. It was pure spirit vs spirit, so Ichigo needed to concentrate his spirit power/resolve to cut him. My point was that since ki can affect physical materials, physical materials can affect ki. Fire can be affected by wind, a physical substance. Nuclear explosions can be blocked by metal doors. Ki can be touched by people, so people can also touch ki. If a person can get hit by ki, they can also hit it back.

Ki is a made up form of energy so applying it to real life energy is invalid. In anime, the only way to block ki/energy is to get enough to push back at it. If we're going to start applying reality to this fight then the Hulk would have die in outer space or even in the core of the planet holding it together. Even DBZ has like more realism than the Hulk. Goku can still get burned by fire, have to hold his breath underwater, etc

FYI, it's reiatsu that Shinigami use. Quincies uses spiritrons which is another form of energy.

The "Hulk has no chi" argument is invalid. If I believed I didn't have an arm, I would still have one regardless. Hulk's chi is in him, but he wouldn't know how to use it to fly/shoot beams/fancy techniques.

Ok, "CHI" IS MADE UP, IT'S A BELIEF that many anime based it on. It's just like religion, if all religion is "true" then we'll all have to answer to Allah, Jesus, Buddha, Osiris, Satan, (maybe to a donkey, if you believe that is our creator) etc when we die or whatever. Americans don't believe in "chi" so the Hulk gets no "chi". If they did, then we'll start seeing "chi" in comics which apparently never happened.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 02:16 AM

Exactly. He was paralyzed. Chi or no Chi, being paralyzed would halt all movement, no? lmao, not that it matters anyway..

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 02:33 AM

AznPoi

01-21-2007, 02:44 AM

You say "chi" is the only way to push back a chi blast, yet you have no proof. You just showed a similarity between Bleach and DBZ, then you claimed their energy attacks are exactly alike. Byakuya uses a sword, and so does Kenshin! This proves that they're exactly alike!! No, that sort of argument doesn't work.

Erm... no??? It's because the animes stem from the same belief of "chi flow". Even Naruto is like DBZ and Bleach, when Naruto goes Kyuubi Kunai thrown at him just bounce off. Each just named it differently, Naruto = chakra, bleach = reiatsu, and DBZ = ki.

In all 3 of these anime, you see that they use it essentially the same. Such as the Bleach sword to the Naruto daggers that Asuma uses.

The DBZ anime shows plenty of times where a fighter blocked a chi attack merely by a hand movement, and no ki involved. Your speculation that ki is involved is only that... speculation in hopes to win a debate.

Secondly, yes DBZ shows plenty of fighters deflecting a chi attack with their hands. Then again... the only ones that does that are the ones with high amount of Ki levels. Everyone has a "ki" aura in DBZ so that's why they're able to do that. If you read the Bleach manga, you'll see Uruhara deflecting an energy attack from an arrancar then explaining that the only way to neutralize an energy attack is by applying the same/greater energy force back.

This is why in DBZ when they can't block something they go "UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <powers up>" then deflects it. Powering up = increasing their Ki

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Ok maybe you shouldn't criticize my "speculations" when yours make no sense.

A radiation inducing cannon can rip the Hulk apart, but a Ki attack strong enough to blow up a planet can't?

That's a really nice connection there huh?

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 02:55 AM

Planet-blowing ki attacks have been shown to be able to destroy planets yet not have enough power as a nuclear bomb. Hulk has survived nuclear explosions. Therefore, Hulk could survive something less powerful than a nuclear bomb. This makes sense...

Please leave Bleach "proof" to Bleach topics. DBZ is a different world. Asuma's' knives are pieces of metal that can be forged.

You're explanations still lack any proof that someone needs ki to deflect energy blasts. The androids had absolutely no ki, yet they are able to easily block ki blasts without damage. If they couldn't affect ki, there's no way Android 17 could've hurt Piccolo cause he would've never been able to pierce his "ki aura". Since he can, it's obvious physical strength can pierce/affect/damage/push back ki.

{Edit} On another note, the Hulk is also shown to be vulnerable to certain types of radiation. Perhaps this is why he was hurt by the radiation bomb.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 02:57 AM

Planet-blowing ki attacks have been shown to be able to destroy planets yet not have enough power as a nuclear bomb. Hulk has survived nuclear explosions. Therefore, Hulk could survive something less powerful than a nuclear bomb. This makes sense...

Let me get this straight. What you're saying is; although a ki attack can destroy a planet ten times over, it is less powerful than a nuke, which can only destroy a city or two?

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 03:04 AM

Goku's charged kamehameha during the Cell Games is said to be able to destroy the planet. If it had the power of a nuclear bomb, I would think the explosion would've killed Mr. Satan, his camera crew, and possibly Krillen because they were all near the battle when Goku did this.

A nuclear explosion is much hotter than the surface of the sun, yet DBZ's strongest characters die by merely getting close to the sun. If Goku's attacks had the power of a nuclear explosion, nobody in DBZ or DBGT would survive a kamehameha.

A possible explanation is that the planet destroying attacks go to the core of the planet, causing the planet to explode. This would make sense with the attacks shown in DBZ and would be consistent with the attacks they use.

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 03:08 AM

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:14 AM

@Jay: I know what you're trying to say, but consider this. Nukes, after exploding, give of extreme heat, ash, and radiation. Often resulting in a rain of radiaton or acid or something.. I need to read up on nukes. That's why it damages things below it.

Energy explosions are different. They explode, only giving off heat. The force of the explosion tends to stick in the sky, the residue usually dissipating after awhile. There is no rain of energy afterwards(unless its the attack's after affect).

The fact that the explosions don't kill people below them is because the type of explosion is different.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:22 AM

Axel.............the guy has nothing to live for in particular and can just kamikaze attack Albel Nox killing the guy...........but I agree they might become friends somewhere along the fight.

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 03:23 AM

Well, what I'm trying to say is that the heat (not the radiation or ash) is much hotter than the surface of the sun. If a pure energy explosion such as ki only gives off heat, then it apparently does not give off anywehre near as much as heat as the sun. Since the sun's surface heat is less than that of a nuclear bomb, it seems that a nuclear bomb produces more heat (thus power) than a ki attack capable of destroying a planet.

@sasukesan3112: Goku's kamehameha was aimed up, but the explosion did not only move upwards. It encompassed both fighters and expanded like a normal bomb explosion (i.e. somewhat circle-ish).

AznPoi

01-21-2007, 03:24 AM

Please leave Bleach "proof" to Bleach topics. DBZ is a different world. Asuma's' knives are pieces of metal that can be forged.

The Zaraki Vs Ichigo fight is too well known so I need no proof for that. As for the Uruhara thing
http://groups.msn.com/-bleach-/chapter194.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2101

Basically he said he "dissipated the energy attack by meeting it with a blast of equal power". This is showing how UBER Uruhara is because he matched the blast's energy exactly. If too much then he would have shot a blast, too little then the blast would have gone through.

Asuma's knives are unique because you have to put chakra in them to make them sharper. Making the link between Bleach and Naruto. Bleach and Naruto both obviously stemmed from DBZ.

You're explanations still lack any proof that someone needs ki to deflect energy blasts. The androids had absolutely no ki, yet they are able to easily block ki blasts without damage. If they couldn't affect ki, there's no way Android 17 could've hurt Piccolo cause he would've never been able to pierce his "ki aura". Since he can, it's obvious physical strength can pierce/affect/damage/push back ki.

If the androids have no ki then how were they doing ki blast???

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About the Nuke thing.

Again, ki/chakra/reiatsu is a made up form of energy. If it doesn't give off heat then so what?

Vegeta's big bang attack like could be seen from outer space. It was like 5% of the Earth when they zoomed out. No nukes today have that power.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:27 AM

@Jay: dude........the androids automatically kept gaining ki at a constant rate what kind of BS did you see??

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 03:28 AM

hold on, ima draw a diagram for you k? just wait a bit

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:30 AM

Artificial Ki most likely. In other words, straight up energy(i.e. laser beams, etc.)

@Jay: Yes, heat-wise, I guess you can say it's weaker. However, when you say that the Hulk survived the radiation blast.. Didn't he lose his legs, and regenerate them? He only survived through regeneration.

Wait, what am I doing.. *sighs* Draw, yada yada. Why am I still here? -_-"

*makes a Radiation vs Ki/Chi/Reiatsu/Chakra/Spirit thread* >.>

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:32 AM

But in doing so, he'd kill himself. lmao. We don't want another Goku vs Hulk here, eh?

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 03:32 AM

Urahara's equal power blast only shows that he used equal power. It makes no mention of using equal reiatsu. For all we know, he could've had Chad punch the blast with exact force and create the same effect.

As for the androids not having ki, I don't know they can use "ki" blasts. Perhaps they are using their energy generators to generate plasma/electricity/any other form of energy. Either way, it is stated that they have no ki by Goku and co., which is why they can not be sensed and leave no "ki aura trails" when they fly quickly.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:35 AM

lol Sol would take this battle battle.........Sol eliminated a whole species (Dinosaurs) by himself and He`s just too fast, and too strong for Axel to take him on.......and don`t forget that Sol can activate his Gold form If he had to........and that would result in total rape

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:35 AM

@Azn: As Jay said, its all about force with that. It has nothing to do with using Reiatsu/Ki/Chi/Chakra.

You can deflect anything by hitting it with equal force. Meaning, if Goku shot an energy beam at me with his pinky, I can deflect it by throwing a rock at it with an equal amount of force that the beam is flying at.

That's just an example. Obviously, the rock would get vaporized, and me with it..

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:37 AM

Gold form, eh? I need to get caught up with these GG characters. I haven't actually played any of the games, but I have read a truck load about em.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:39 AM

Oh god not another one of those again..........Well Axel is also pretty quick qith the footwork as well while Albel isn`t the fastest person in Star Ocean (that award goes to Nel) he has alot of strength so this fight is actually pretty evend out.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:40 AM

@Taso: Axel is just Lucky he`s not going against Holy-Order Sol in this arena match >_>

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 03:42 AM

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1351/beam18aa.png
^here cell's upper body is being blown clean off, which is how cell was origanally "finished" before he regenerated"
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8629/beam22do.png
the kind of blast your talking about is a blast that blows on contact. like whats shown above. hope this helps

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:42 AM

Nel? Fayt is the fastest, ...in game that is. Nel is pretty slow for a kunoichi. >: /

Albel is pretty quick with attacks. Axel is too, but.. Something tells me that his Chakram would be blocked by an Aura Wall or Hand of Doom.

Axel flings his Chakrams foward, and Albel uses Hand of Doom, to knock them both aside. He then follows up by hitting Axel in the chest with Palm of Destruction. Lather, rinse, repeat? >.>

AznPoi

01-21-2007, 03:44 AM

Power in this case is reiatsu. All Shinigami pour reiatsu into their swords, this is why a Captain class sword can cut through just about anything. Uruhara used his sword to dissipate the attack, meaning poured enough reiatsu in it. Otherwise, Uruhara's sword would just be a piece of metal.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:44 AM

^ well that`s a pretty cheap tactic but Albel could just do that.But If Axel creates a wall of fire around them and Disappears into the flames and creates a hit and run tactic he could beat Albel

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:46 AM

Was Sol stronger when he was in the Holy Order? *hasn't read/seen anything GG related in a long ass time, and has forgotten a lot..*

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:47 AM

Could, possibly..

But to counter that, Aura Wall would be effective. That is, if Albel has good reflexes. If not, then game over.. -_-

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:49 AM

In that case, he used his Reiatsu to increase the "force" of his block to match the "force" of the blast.

What I'm saying is, anything can be blocked by putting up an equal force to it. Sometimes, characters use energy to power up the force they can have. Thus matching the force of the oncoming attack, and blocking it.

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:50 AM

So this is actually a pretty even match those two got going there eh? Well this is pretty much a fight where one is waiting for the other to slip up then It`s game over for that person...

Mugen

01-21-2007, 03:51 AM

@Taso:.........stronger than you could ever Imagine. Once you`ve played XX Slash (Imported of course) and see his story you`ll just see how insanely powerful he is (he actually showed his true gear form once where he sports some demonic wings!)

Jay3205

01-21-2007, 03:52 AM

@sasukesan: Actually, watch the episode or an amv of it on youtube. The second diagram is more of what actually happened.

@AznPoi: Yea, Urahara used reiatsu to increase his power enough to neutralize the attack because he isn't physically strong enough to do it. Shinigami swords can be broken using just strength. As Chad breaks into SS, he beats many unranked shinigami, and some of their swords are shown as being broken (I'm pretty sure). A captain's sword is also breakable; it's just that not many people have the strength or skill to do it in combat.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 03:52 AM

But Sol left the Holy Order, right? I was asking, was he stronger while in the Holy Order, and lost some power after leaving? O_o;

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 04:08 AM

Since Mugen couldn't make the cut, let us take it to the next level. Samurai X characters are a cut above Samurai Champloo what with their special attacks and whatnot.

- Both smokers. Bad habits ftb(for the badass, although I hate smoking..).
- Both silent killers.

Now, seeing as how they are both "intense", and think nothing of killing their opponents. Who do you think would win in a battle?

Note:
- I'm pretty sure that Saito could slice through bullets and missles with his Gatotsu styles? >_>;
- Saito is faster most likely, and has more power in his special attacks.
- Fro most likely has stronger single strikes.

Nrvnqsr Chaos

01-21-2007, 04:17 AM

ok, i just watched an amv, even though i was pretty sure that it was a clean hit.....so anyway, how did the z-fighters and the camera crew survive? when the kamehameha was fired, they were pretty far from the spectators so all they felt was a huge wind(note the saiyan field of vision is a bit beter than a normal humans). so how did goku survive the explosion? check out this pic first:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/268/proof2kk.png
saiyans already get enough heat in ssj as they're engulfed in what seems like bits of flame. and also the aura seems to expand in this pic, dunno why :p

p.s. cartoons dont have to make sense. take looney tunes for instance. no sense but still friggin hilarious

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 04:28 AM

Hm. I'm just reviving this thread to see what the newer gen has to say about it.

Before, someone commented that Byakuya is screwed because he has Renji as a partner here. If anyone has a suggestion as to who I should add to be his new partner, feel free to state 'em.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 04:42 AM

Ryu from Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie vs Heihachi.

Who would win in a battle of the martial artists?

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 04:46 AM

Hrm. I forget the necessary events for Inuyasha to turn full-demon, so I can't bring that into account. Also, even if we were to speak of Backlash Wave, I thought it only backfired Youki (demon energy), meaning it wouldn't work on Saix anyhow...

Well, Inuyasha can't teleport, which gives him a huge disadvantage to begin with. Wind Scar can annihilate a hundred demons in a swipe...so the blast radius is pretty huge, but even then, teleporting prevents any damage on Saix's end.

Kongosouha (adamant barrage) goes through barriers...but I don't know if Saix's berserk mode could be considered a barrier that protects him. That would mean the adamant shards could pierce him, but like I said, we don't know about the whole barrier thing, so we'll just ignore that. Even if we don't ignore it, that magic word pops back up: teleportation.

Saix's attacks would be defended by the Tetsusaiga's sheath, but it can be broken, so that only buys him so much time...if he were to defend an incoming blow with it while Saix wasn't berserk, then sure...he could really tear into him with his sword. Provided Saix doesn't teleport.

And Inuyasha also has another form of the Tetsusaiga that has dragon scales around it, that he got in the manga recently, but I don't know the abilities of it. I'll bring that into account in my next post...

And you know what? Saix is just faster than Inuyasha anyway, so we don't need to keep using the teleportation as sure-win. He could just nimbly dodge Inuyasha's attacks just as easily as he could teleport. Oh well, Inuyasha is dog food. He didn't need any handycaps as he was boned from the beginning anyway.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 04:56 AM

All righty then.

New fight: Byakuya and Ichigo vs Hiei and Kurama.

GO! >.>;

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 05:26 AM

Wow, I dunno about this one. I'm thinking Afro, because of the reach he has with that katana (might as well call it a nodachi...), and he doesn't lose any speed because of it's size. He could defend at a good speed (remember when he blocked the arrows?), but I don't know if he's fast enough to dodge outright. Saito would have trouble getting inside to deliver a killing blow, and Gatotsu is powerful alright, cutting through stone and whatnot, but then again, Afro cut through a robot. Metal is toughter than stone.

It'll be a cool fight nonetheless. Maybe they could have a draw or something...

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 05:29 AM

Saito also cuts through swords and large, massive wooden doors. Yes, metal > wood, but those doors were pretty damn thick. And he did this with deep cuts on both legs.

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 05:33 AM

You guys do know that Kyo has already officially beat Iori in the storyline, right? Also, take into concideration that they basically fight eachother in EVERY king of fighters game. If Iori had won any of those fights, Kyo would be dead. What does that mean you ask? It means that Kyo has beaten Iori about...what...13 times now? Well, however many KOF games there are, that's how many times he beat him.

So yeah, I think it's safe to say that Kyo wins. Again.

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 05:35 AM

'Fraid I don't know who Cliff Fittir is. Sorry. So, I say Herc wins, lol.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 05:36 AM

lmao. Another case of, "I'm far more powerful and much cooler than you, so why do you always beat me?!" syndrome. This happens all the time to the badass rival and/or anti-hero.

They never even had a draw before? O_o;

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 05:38 AM

Against the rules! FOUL! lmao.

Cliff Fittir is from Star Ocean: Till the End of Time.

Check out Youtube to see what he's capable of. Max Shockwave is basically a Kamehameha-like attack, yet he does it with one hand. >.>

{edit}Btw. SO:TtEoT characters, power-wise, are around Bleach level. Fayt, the main character, can destroy alien warships with his Ethereal Blast. However, he passed out the first time he used it. >.>;

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 05:43 AM

Actually, Kazuya was tossed in the volcanoe, and killed. Heihachi was tossed off a cliff. Anyway, Ryu wins, as his Satsui no Hadou was not taken from him for this particular brawl. Teleportation and Shungokusatsu FTW. Even without, I give it to Ryu due to the unblockable Denjin Hadouken, or the Shin Shoryuken. And we didn't eliminate Marvel vs. Capcom Ryu either...or super Ryu as I call him. More speed and power from him...yeah, Ryu's got this.

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 05:54 AM

Well...actually, no he wasn't...kinda. I mean, here's the thing: Sol in GGXSlash is not using Fuenken, which is why his fire attacks aren't as explosive/big. He relies more on fighting skill than overpowering his opponent, that way, he won't have to unlock his hard to control gear powers. When he has Fuenken, he can just amp his magic to incredible levels without haveing to tap into his gear power. That's why he has massive flame attacks in his original form. So...it's like this: Since neither form of Sol is using their full strength, you could say his strength now is equal to his Holy Order strength. Sol with Fuenken is stronger than Sol without it though. And he got Fuenken while he was still IN the Order so...yeah.

재

01-21-2007, 05:55 AM

oh ok, so that Old man was actually his Dad?
sounds interesting, haven't watched all, but I watched the last episode, and I got all the manga up until Recca fights the 4th Dragon in human form
that fat guy.. idk his name xD

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 06:12 AM

Oh snap! How could I forget!? Also, I just bought Star Ocean 2 today, though that has nothing to do with this...at all. Anyway, when Herc goes God, he becomes invincible, no? Hmm...if Cliff can last a round of pounding from his God Mode, then he can probably end it with a full-on assault. I was thinking of re-buying the game, but I remember why I never beat it. Awesome battle system but...

Me:"...the hell!? THAT'S the effin' plottwist? LAME."

Maybe I'll just watch the ending on youtube. Yeah, I see Cliff winning this one possibly.

Silhouette

01-21-2007, 06:20 AM

LMAO! Yeah, the plot twist was so lame, but the battle system, characters, and moves kept me playing it. Its also quite challenging. I still haven't beaten Lenneth. I'm just too lazy to level up enough. -_-"

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 06:29 AM

Not only have they never had a draw, but the first time Kyo defeated Iori, Iori lost his Yagami flame for like...months. He wandered around, cursing Kyo for making him lose his edge. Sad really...

You want a REAL rivalry, make a Ryu vs. Ken thread. Atleast Ken has legitimately beat Ryu before.

Also, since when is Iori cooler than Kyo? Badass doesn't a better character make. I mean, I did say earlier that my favorite chars are normally the rivals...but that's because they have more ambition or drive than main characters, not because they're the anti-thesis or because the main character is usually sickeningly optimistic or cocky (friggin' Ichigo...). Also, everytime a main character beats a rival because of their "hidden power", "main character wins all the time power", "powerful evil persona", or "magic bloodline", I die a little more inside. If you want me to respect you, win a fight with your own skill and power, not your friggin' X factor. Hence, I hate the following:

Ichigo
Sol(probably most of all)
Iori
Sometimes Naruto
Jin (Tekken)
Yusuke(was cool until the whole demon heritage bs)
Probably more...

Sorry for the rant...

ninjabot

01-21-2007, 06:41 AM

Well, I completely forgot about that...I was gonna say for Afro to take his legs out, but then there's Zeroshiki (Gatotsu Zero Style). How about Afro's sixth sense dodgeing thingie from episode 3? I mean, the Afrodroid (lol!) wasn't moving at Saitoh speed when he was attacking, but still. It had his fighting data, so it could predict his movements. I'm thinking he lures him in with the closed eyes stance and pulls a Kenshin (dodge to the side while pivoting, hitting Saitoh in the back of the head with his blade). Then again, Kenshin was faster than Afro.

Man, this is hard...