Prince of Tennis

[KholdStare]

Sauske does have it. He achieved the eyes a different way than his brother.

That is incorrect. There has been no proof to say that Sasuke had achieved Mangekyou Sharingan. He did not want to get it because said that would be exactly what Itachi would want him to do.

Kenpach-dono, please do not spam. You could have done the same thing I did and explained why he was wrong.

[99wattr89]

Kisame would rape him senseless.
Sasuke stands no chance whatsoever.

[99wattr89]

Kenpachi, definately.

[99wattr89]

This fight is just Ichigo vs. Byakuya again, since Inuyasha and Sesshomaru are powerless compared to them.

And in Ichigo vs Byakuya Ichigo wins.

[99wattr89]

Golden Cannonball would proably mess Satan up quite a bit, but it'd never hit him. And that's Don's only move...

So Satan would win.

[99wattr89]

I enjoyed it, but the end was a bit too surreal for me, it didn't match the rest of the series.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Lmao, Kisame has three times the chakra that naruto does.

(Neji says a 30% chakra kisame has about the same chakra as Naruto)

Sasuke will get anally raped.

[Vaizard]

Sasuke is stronger... you people dont know shit about Sasuke 2.5yrs later -_-

[XING]

kisame

[Vaizard]

Sasuke!!! Dammit!!

[Vaizard]

Ichigo Kurosaki wins! shunpo behind Sora , stab twice , dead , another option would be to just Getsuga Tenshou him :P

[Vaizard]

Sephiroth is someone I do NOT know , but Kenpachi would easily win without his eyepatch removed

[XING]

ichigo

[FullMetal Rebel]

Who keeps reviving these old threads?

Anyway the One Winged Angel wins.Masamune will be too much for Zaraki.

[Edgey]

^ If you don't care about other people opinions, then why make this thread, battle threads are made so people can share their different points of views and then compare the evidence to choose a winner, that's the basic idea.

And Kisame I think would be stronger because IN THE ANIME it said that strange clone Kisame was only about 30% of the chakra of the real Kisame, which Neji said is about the same as Naruto and we all know that Naruto > Sasuke in abilities, chakra, etc.

So Kisame FTW.

[Seff vi Britannia]

It took sixgates gai to beat a 30% Kisame.


So ask yourself.

Could Sasuke defeat Gai with six gates open?

the answer, obviously, is no.

[99wattr89]

Sasuke is stronger... you people dont know shit about Sasuke 2.5yrs later -_-
This is the anime.
In the anime Sasuke has not been shown to be strong at all yet.
Manga Sasuke might win, but anime Sasuke won't.

Look at what subforum you're in before you start talking crap.

[99wattr89]

Sephiroth is someone I do NOT know , but Kenpachi would easily win without his eyepatch removed
o_O

How can you tell when you don't know him?

[Shinkage]

Sephiroth's sword has insane reach, not too mention his speed (yes Zaraki is fast but I doubt faster than sephiroth)

It would be quite a fight but in the end Sephiroth would be the victor.

[zen]

Kenpachi's pure fighting will, is enough to defeat sephiroth it would be tough, But5 eventually ken-chan would win.

[Tobi]

Sephiroth+Super Nova = Roasted Kenpachi.

[Vaizard]

meh fine -_- fine fine Kisame would win -_-

[Vaizard]

true true

[Vaizard]

Meido Zangetsuha ? wtf? anyway , Ichigo's Getsuga would match Wind Scar , maybe not Backlash wave , but bankai could defeat that , Adamant Barrage , ummm not sure , but anyway if he goes Vaizard , its over

[April_San]

I think Ichigo would win cause hes faster

[Vaizard]

Can superman see Ichigo in his Shinigami form? Can he see ghosts?
Sigh.. in the anime arena rules , they say the opponents can see ichigo or any shinigami in shinigami form , please read the rules -_-

[Silhouette]

Vizard, you have to stop this. Not only did I post that this thread was already made, but its from forever ago. Please refrain from necro-bumping threads, thanks.

BTW: Sora can also "shunpo", and fights people that can as well, so Ichigo can't win with that tactic, unless in Bankai.

- The official unofficial Anime Arena moderator, Sessou.

[Vlad]

Ending was kind of fast, but very interesting too. Secret of the lay-line.

[Vaizard]

These dont work for me , but I managed to find a website that I DONT have to download weird crap and I can just watch it

[L]

You'll need the download of the Real Media Player (Classic). But if you found what you needed, then that's fine =)

[99wattr89]

Ichigo of course.
Now someone lock this thread.

[99wattr89]

Naruto has all his powers from the manga, but he cannot use the Kyuubi's chakra. So no going KN4.
Ed has his abilities as shown in the manga too.
There are plenty of different substances around for transmutation - rocks, trees, water, dirt, metal, etc.

[Ryohei]

So DeathNote 37 is the Last Episode ?
Im In Episode 12 BTW =)

[FullMetal Rebel]

Another thread from the DEAD!!!

Anyway I choose Sora,hell he can go circles around Ichigo,he has magic,he has his forms,he is basically a god compared to ichigo.

There is just too much he can do.

[Shadow_Strider]

It's been such a long time since I've played KH2, but does Sora have Stop/Slow magic, because if he does it would render Ichigos speed useless. Also saying Sora can't use his other forms while Ichigo can use Banki is really fair.

But if Sora has final form he would win, do to his arsanal of magics and abilitys, and he can use Cure.

[JJAB91]

Sorry if I spelt the names wrong but yeah take your pick. I know we have only seen Naruto with 4 tails so far but its 6 for this fight.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Jiraiya > Kakashi > Sasuke

4tails Naruto > Jiraiya

so

6 tails naruto > Kakashi > Sasuke

I don't know who the other person is, typo mayhaps?

[Draffut]

This is silly. I doubt naruto would survive to hit 6 tails. Plus this is not some battledome forum, crazy comparisons like these are stupid.

And if by "Hokague" you mean "Hokage". I can just say you mean 4th Hokage, who beat the full Kyuubi. So it's safe to assume he could beat a lower powered 6 tail, regardless of the fact that we have no fucking clue how strong 6 tails is.

In addition to all this, you are in the Anime forum, where 4 tails naruto has not yet been seen, nor the post time skip strength of Kakashi or Sasuke.

[Tobi]

At least you spelt Naruto correctly :/

[99wattr89]

Since we don't know which Hokage you mean and we've never even seen a 6-Tailed transformation, it's rather hard to say.

[Esca]

You've been bumping every graveyard thread yet YOU'RE telling HIM to read the rules? Well, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

[Anarchy]

Umm could someone tell me what that is. . . does it matter? Should I watch it? Is it any good?

[Miyagi Rikku]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6911

[Anarchy]

ok so it's a movie is it worth watching?

[Miyagi Rikku]

Not all likes it. I didnt even bother finishing it.

[Anarchy]

Alright, thank you, I don't think I'm gonna watch it.

[Tobi]

If it's the 4th, I reckon 6 Tailed Naruto would lose, since 4th beat the orignial 9 Tailed Kyuubi.

[Edgey]

Yes I agree with chih the 4th Hokage would pwn the lot of them and mainly for that reason stated above :)

[JJAB91]

No I meant the 3rd Hokage

[99wattr89]

If it's the 4th, I reckon 6 Tailed Naruto would lose, since 4th beat the orignial 9 Tailed Kyuubi.
It depends on if he can seal the Kyuubi when it's already sealed inside Naruto.

[Glitch]

It depends on if he can seal the Kyuubi when it's already sealed inside Naruto.
seal it why it should a lot weaker with only 6 tails. All they need to do is kill Naruto.

[99wattr89]

seal it why it should a lot weaker with only 6 tails. All they need to do is kill Naruto.
It depends on if they can.
Orochimaru couldn't hurt him at KN4.

[Draffut]

Orochimaru can't hurt him with Kusanagi. That doesn't mean naruto was impervious to anything Orochimaru had.

No I meant the 3rd Hokage

So you make a retarded comparison battledome type fight.

Put it in the ANIME section, and then mention things that have yet to happen in the anime (KN4)

Then make part of the comparison a man we have never really seen fight, and even at that you don't point out if you mean old or prime Saidaime.

Then you include Kakshi and Sasuke, neither of which we have seen really fight post time skip.

Jesus.

[punzada]

I loved the first death note live action flick, they did kind of drop the ball with the second one though, just tried to mesh too much of the story and it just didn't play right. I'd still say worth a watch though if you're a big fan of the series.

[99wattr89]

KN4 nearly killed Jiraiya, so thinking about it, I think KN6 would be too much for them.

But Naruto would never go KN6, he'd probably die from KN5.

[granamonkey]

I enjoyed it, but the end was a bit too surreal for me, it didn't match the rest of the series.


I just finished it (ok, I watched it when I was 9, so I forgot most of it). I didn't think the ending was too surreal. I was expecting something like that. Reminded me of Rogue Galaxy (ps2 game) kinda ,with the ancients and all that stuff.

[Reco]

Outlaw star was one of the first Animes I watched. I watched it on Toonami at night. I would like to watch it again, so is it on Veoh or Youtube?

[Draffut]

Tsunade also suposidly nearly killed Jiraiya, that doesn't mean much.

[granamonkey]

All of them you can DL w/ Veohtv (beta). I think most of em I got from there site though (you choose from them, yahoo, or google). Some are dubbed, others arent, I got a mix lol. 1-4 was dubbed, 5-7 subbed. 9 and 10 were dubbed, then the rest were all subs.

[99wattr89]

Tsunade also suposidly nearly killed Jiraiya, that doesn't mean much.
Why not?
It means she was strong enough to nearly kill him...
And Naruto seems to get a massive power boost for each extra tail...
So if KN4 had enough power to nearly kill Jiraiya then KN6 would probably be ubeatable.

[Juujika]

Jiraiya > Kakashi > Sasuke

4tails Naruto > Jiraiya

so

6 tails naruto > Kakashi > Sasuke

I don't know who the other person is, typo mayhaps?

Thats wrong, atm i would say Kakashi is stronger then Jiraiya.

more like Kakashi (MK sharingan) > Jiraiya > Sasuke

in the end all we would need to know is can Kakashi tellport something with a large amount of charka as the 6th tails naruto would have. And seeing as kakashi didnt really comment on if it was hard to tellport deidera's bomb. I would say he wouldnt have any problem. But it would be a one shot kind of deal. If kakashi missed he wouldnt get a second chance.

[Ryohei]

All Of Them are My Favorite! =)

[DevilMacCry]

i hope they will create some ova for me which i can watch... maybe mit some new childs in the future but they should take mai and his brother in the movies!

[99wattr89]

Thats wrong, atm i would say Kakashi is stronger then Jiraiya.

more like Kakashi (MK sharingan) > Jiraiya > Sasuke

in the end all we would need to know is can Kakashi tellport something with a large amount of charka as the 6th tails naruto would have. And seeing as kakashi didnt really comment on if it was hard to tellport deidera's bomb. I would say he wouldnt have any problem. But it would be a one shot kind of deal. If kakashi missed he wouldnt get a second chance.
We've never seen any evidence that Kakashi is stronger than Jiraiya.
Jiraiya >>> Kakashi.

Kakashi needs time to teleport stuff, KN6 would kill him before he could pull that off.

[II Xion II]

We've never seen any evidence that Kakashi is stronger than Jiraiya.
Jiraiya >>> Kakashi.
Kakashi needs time to teleport stuff, KN6 would kill him before he could pull that off.

I agree with you. Although Jiriaya's gonna get 0wn3d by You-Know-Who (no, not Voldemort).

6-tailed Naruto would be beaten by Sasuke, Kakashi, and the Sandaime. Hell, Orochimaru wasn't having that many problems with 4-tail Naruto for that long.

EDIT: This HAS to be moved to the manga section!

[Draffut]

I still contend that this compairson is a rediculous notion to begin with, and should not be taken logically.

And no, Kakashi has nothing on Jiraiya.

[Juujika]

we havent seen Jiraiya go all out, till we do i still think Kakashi is stronger if not equal level.

[99wattr89]

we havent seen Jiraiya go all out, till we do i still think Kakashi is stronger if not equal level.
Even though all indications are that Jiraiya is far stronger?
Jiraiya is a lot stronger than Kakashi, however much you may wish otherwise.

[anubis24354]

If Kimimaro were not sick (and dead as it is), which do you think would win in a fight?

[XING]

uhhh it's to hard ummm kimimaro itachi i think kimimaro

[99wattr89]

Itachi of course.

The Mangekyou Sharingan would let him win in seconds.

[Juujika]

Even though all indications are that Jiraiya is far stronger?
Jiraiya is a lot stronger than Kakashi, however much you may wish otherwise.

Yea? and he heard Kakashi say naruto was stronger then him now doesnt make it true. We heard sasuke say he was stronger then Orochimaru when he killed him. Orochimaru was on his death bed and the only reason sasuke lived was due to his sharingan. We hear people claim there stronger then another person and visa versa but till we see Jiraiya go all out we won't know for sure.

The only time we seen Jiraiya fight somewhat serious was against orochimaru he got messed up due to not being able to control his chakra properly, he didnt preform any jutsu that would be above kakashi.

I honestly don't see how jiraiya is stronger then kakashi, the flash backs and the way orochimaru talked to Jiraiya made him seem weaker then orochimaru and yet itachi stopped him with a simple genjutsu. Why didnt itachi just do that and take naruto long before? well plot no jutsu kicked in.

No matter how you slice it, we need to see Jiraiya go all out before i'm willing to accept hes stronger then kakashi the copy ninja. Specially since kakashi developed his sharingan so well now.

[99wattr89]

Yea? and he heard Kakashi say naruto was stronger then him now doesnt make it true. We heard sasuke say he was stronger then Orochimaru when he killed him. Orochimaru was on his death bed and the only reason sasuke lived was due to his sharingan. We hear people claim there stronger then another person and visa versa but till we see Jiraiya go all out we won't know for sure.

The only time we seen Jiraiya fight somewhat serious was against orochimaru he got messed up due to not being able to control his chakra properly, he didnt preform any jutsu that would be above kakashi.

I honestly don't see how jiraiya is stronger then kakashi, the flash backs and the way orochimaru talked to Jiraiya made him seem weaker then orochimaru and yet itachi stopped him with a simple genjutsu. Why didnt itachi just do that and take naruto long before? well plot no jutsu kicked in.

No matter how you slice it, we need to see Jiraiya go all out before i'm willing to accept hes stronger then kakashi the copy ninja. Specially since kakashi developed his sharingan so well now.
Well if you want to ignore all the evidence because you want Kakashi to be stronger then that's up to you... :|

[Juujika]

Well if you want to ignore all the evidence because you want Kakashi to be stronger then that's up to you... :|

Its not ignoring Evidence, want to give me an example where Jirayia went all out and shows him superior then kakashi?

[99wattr89]

Its not ignoring Evidence, want to give me an example where Jirayia went all out and shows him superior then kakashi?
No. Find evidence for yourself.
I'm not doing it for you.
Because I've stopped caring what you think, as I implied in my last post.
</conversation>

[Juujika]

No. Find evidence for yourself.
I'm not doing it for you.
Because I've stopped caring what you think, as I implied in my last post.
</conversation>

well thats your choice but if your going to enter a debate then offer information to prove the other person wrong like i've done. You might want to learn how to hold a proper conversation before you pull the /end conversation.

[Draffut]

Itachi but not by much

Whats with all these Person X vs. Person Y thread recently.

[Neko Bam]

Ïtachi, it doesn't matter how strong you are, once you make eye-contact it's all OVAR

[Draffut]

Kakashi's MS sucks. it's extremely slow, and he can't even aim it well during it's slow usage

He can't copy any of Jiraiya's frog jutsu's (Which seam to be most of his best ones). Kakashi was just about inferior in every way to Kakuzu, which is a good reference point. Jiraiya has a grand title, being one of the strongest ninja to date. With just that as backing is proof that he is above someone who is just an elite jounin. Jiraiya has also shown expert ability at seals. And according to the Databooks, seals are the hardest jutsu to perform, the most powerful jutsu, and very hard to replicate. (He made a seal on the spot that was able to seal Naruto from going past 4 tails, and made it portable. Thats more Epic then anything Kakashi has done to date.)

Kakashi is tough, but he has not shown anything up to what Jiraiya has, or even Jiraiya's title. People need to get off the damn "ZOMG HE HAS SHARINGAN SO HE WINNNSSS, **** YOULOGIC!" bus.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[KholdStare]

Ïtachi, it doesn't matter how strong you are, once you make eye-contact it's all OVAR

Really? So you think Itachi could defeat the 4th Hokage, Sarutobi in his prime, and 9 tails Naruto?

[KholdStare]

Yea? and he heard Kakashi say naruto was stronger then him now doesnt make it true. We heard sasuke say he was stronger then Orochimaru when he killed him. Orochimaru was on his death bed and the only reason sasuke lived was due to his sharingan. We hear people claim there stronger then another person and visa versa but till we see Jiraiya go all out we won't know for sure.

The only time we seen Jiraiya fight somewhat serious was against orochimaru he got messed up due to not being able to control his chakra properly, he didnt preform any jutsu that would be above kakashi.

I honestly don't see how jiraiya is stronger then kakashi, the flash backs and the way orochimaru talked to Jiraiya made him seem weaker then orochimaru and yet itachi stopped him with a simple genjutsu. Why didnt itachi just do that and take naruto long before? well plot no jutsu kicked in.

No matter how you slice it, we need to see Jiraiya go all out before i'm willing to accept hes stronger then kakashi the copy ninja. Specially since kakashi developed his sharingan so well now.

You need somebody to go all out to prove to you that they are powerful? By your logic, the Kyuubi is weaker than Kakashi because we have never seen it go all out. Uchiha Madara is weak because we have never seen him in action. The fact of the matter is that Jiraiya is a Sannin and Kakashi is simply a jounin from Konoha. What exactly could Kakashi do against Gamabunta? It takes him way too long to bring out MS.

[T_Ichigo]

I say Itachi since I haven't seen what Kimimaro was capable of when he still wasn't ill. Kimimaro is strong indeed, but not that strong that it can convince me that he acutally would win against Itachi.

So well, Uchiha Itachi.

[Vaizard]

I reckon Itachi , not just because his Mangekyou Sharingan , if his Tsukyomi didn't land a hit , he would use Katon:Goukakyuu no Jutsu if he gets near , use Ameratsu in a tricky situation , anyway , Kimimaro cant match Itachi

[Lex]

I like Kimimaru to win but yeah, I think Itachi would still beat him to a pulp.

[Momentum]

Seems like Kimimaro can only fight well in close combat and Itachi is pretty much balanced so he'll have no trouble dodging Kimimaro's attacks but then again Itachi might find it hard to hit Kimimaro at the same time. Itachi sure knows a lot of jutsus that might help him and he can cast them within few short seconds and he also has the almighty MS. Itachi wins.

[Jay3205]

Kakashi would get owned by Orochimaru and his "killing intent", yet Jiraiya is around equal to (or above) full strength Orochimaru. Also, Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru and Kakashi, and Itachi doesn't have confidence to fight Jiraiya. It's pretty conclusive who's stronger.

If someone doesn't show his full strength, it's no reason to claim he's weak. I have never seen (pre-governor) Arnold Schwarzennager go "all out", but I wouldn't claim him weaker than the kid down the street. This situation is no different.

[Esedess]

Itachi by far, i like them both though so i don't really mind who wins or looses, but i'm leaning towards Itachi.

[Esedess]

Thanks alot! :)

Maybe you should put 10 at a time into RAR archives and upload then using, Mega and Sendspace, that way it would save bandwidth, time and posts of people complaining that the link does not work.

Just a friendly suggestion.

[6thEspada]

Kakashi would get owned by Orochimaru and his "killing intent", yet Jiraiya is around equal to (or above) full strength Orochimaru. Also, Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru and Kakashi, and Itachi doesn't have confidence to fight Jiraiya. It's pretty conclusive who's stronger.

If someone doesn't show his full strength, it's no reason to claim he's weak. I have never seen (pre-governor) Arnold Schwarzennager go "all out", but I wouldn't claim him weaker than the kid down the street. This situation is no different.
my point exactly itachi did not hesitate to fight three jounin from konoha all at once(kurenai,asuma, and kakashi) but as soon as he had seen jiraiya he fled like a lil biacth which proves that itachi feels jiraiya to be a threat and if im not mistaken pein himself said jiraiya has a dangerous chakra hinting on how powerful jiraiya may be and kakashi is a great ninja but he is nowhere near a sannin if kakashi couldnt even take on orochimaru when he was about to take sasuke(chuunin exams anyone?) then what makes u think kakashi stands a chance against jiraiya and believe me he wont have the title of sannin for no reason kakashi is nice but hes not great like jiraiya so jiraiya shits on kakashi anyday.....also kakashi gets worn out from using any kind of super strong jutsu like the MS and when he used the sharingan against zabuza because kakashi has low stamina so yeh theres many reasons as to y kakashi is not up to par with jiraiya

[Cleric]

My only complaint is the way the anime ended . . . I would have liked to see more . . . I think it would have been funny if they did like Full Metal Panic and made the 3nd season fumofu and then do a 3rd season where maybe the MacDugal brothers came back and started causing trouble and Gene, Malphina, and Jim had to fond the galactic layline again . . .just a thought though ^_^

[Livius]

Or the could have continued the story. When Gene and crew get to the other star system mentioned. the get a lead or something on why his dad's ship was attacked. and then the continue from there until Gene finds the one responsible.

[Cleric]

I thought it had something to do with trade agreements . . . but now that you mentioned it I don't think Ron ever said who contracted them to take Gene's father out . . .

[Livius]

all i remember is Ron telling him hthat he dindt know and that he just does the job for the money or something like that. I think that a plot hole O.o

[Cleric]

Have you read the manga?

Do you know if it goes into any further detail on the matter?

[Livius]

nope...
but im goona start when ever i get time. at least in the anime it is.
but there was a spin-off called Angel Links i think...

[Cleric]

From what I can find the manga is only 3 volumes long so I doubt it goes into any more detail than the anime . . . as for angel links, I'll see if I can find it anywhere and maybe d/l it and watch it . . . if I have time ^_^

[Livius]

it doesnt in volve the main characters at all. It takes place before the story (from what ive read) but it has secondary people like Fred.

[Cleric]

I looked it up on Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Links

it's only 13 episodes so I could watch the whole thing in one sitting ^_^

[Livius]

hmm well if you can find the episodes tell me :D
id like to see them too.

[Cleric]

Angel Links torrent (http://www.mininova.org/get/854712)

I'm not sure about a ddl though . . .

[Livius]

lol
its not even giving me an estimated time of complietion.
well i guess ill watch it whenever it downloads.

hope its good.

[Cleric]

It's only 2.85 GB . . . I'd give it a couple of days as long as there is someone seeding it ^_^

[Livius]

as long as someone seeds it is the problem.
i was downloading... a movie i think and it stopped half way and had no availability. i was pissed.

[Juujika]

You need somebody to go all out to prove to you that they are powerful? By your logic, the Kyuubi is weaker than Kakashi because we have never seen it go all out. Uchiha Madara is weak because we have never seen him in action. The fact of the matter is that Jiraiya is a Sannin and Kakashi is simply a jounin from Konoha. What exactly could Kakashi do against Gamabunta? It takes him way too long to bring out MS.

The Kyuubi its self is unbeatable. Naruto using the kyuubi chakra form is beatable still. Kakashi's sharingan is powerful and its strong enough to teleport massive amounts of space into another world.

You twisting what i'm saying, i'm not doubting Jirayia is strong, i'm saying if your going to compare one extremely powerful person against another person thats extremely powerful but we havent seen the jutsus hes able to preform then you cant be for sure to say well Jirayia owns all just because. I'd like to see Jirayia get serious before i put him on the top above other amazing shinobi.

And where did i say Uchiha Madara at all? I have no doubt hes strong if hes the offical leader behind the akatsuki, its a group of some of the most dangerous men in the naruto world of course he would be strong.

[JJAB91]

Your also forgetting the fact that we haven't seen Kakashi fight all out since episode 10 of the first series I mean he probably has become so much stronger since then.

[Draffut]

Kakashi isn't extremely powerful. He is pretty damn strong, but if he was anywhere near what you are saying, he wouldn;t have been righteously owned by Kakuzu.

His MS is overrated. the area it can teleport isn't that large, it is very hard to aim, and takes a logn time to do it. Nothing to impressivle against someone like Jiraiya who could kill him before he could finish focusing to do it.

JABB, we have seen Kakshi go all out. Read the Kakuzu fight.

[99wattr89]

I dont see wat you mean wattr , it's still a nice thread in comparison to my Byakuya vs Grimmjow thing
I mean that Ichigo and Inuyasha win, because Inuyasha and Sesshomaru aren't strong enough to effect the outcome, and Ichigo is stronger than Byakuya.
I wasn't complaining about the thread, if that's what you meant.

[Kenpachi-Dono]

to those saying the 4th beat the kyuubi that's incorrect..he sealed the kyuubi because it could not be outright beat

as far as the question

kakashi and sasuke wouldn't have been much of a fight for 6 tails naruto but Sarutobi would be a great one(if it's sarutobi in his prime) seeing as how he was labeled the strongest hokage ever i doubt 6 tails naruto would have been much of a challenge..although it would have been a interesting fight i'd say Sarutobi wins with his Death God sealing jutsu

[99wattr89]

i'd say Sarutobi wins with his Death God sealing jutsu
But that's what put the Kyuubi in Naruto in the first place.
He can't seal him, he's already sealed.

[KholdStare]

You twisting what i'm saying, i'm not doubting Jirayia is strong, i'm saying if your going to compare one extremely powerful person against another person thats extremely powerful but we havent seen the jutsus hes able to preform then you cant be for sure to say well Jirayia owns all just because. I'd like to see Jirayia get serious before i put him on the top above other amazing shinobi.

And where did i say Uchiha Madara at all? I have no doubt hes strong if hes the offical leader behind the akatsuki, its a group of some of the most dangerous men in the naruto world of course he would be strong.

You just said again that you would like to see Jiraiya in action before you can place him above "other amazing shinobi." In your other post you said that you would see Kakashi and Jiraiya as equals because you have never seen Jiraiya fight. I know you have never mentioned Uchiha Madara. The reason I mentioned him is that you say you need to see somebody in action before you can judge their strength. Does that mean that you will consider Uchiha Madara on par with Kakashi until you see him fight? Absolutely not.

Itachi himself said that he could not defeat Jiraiya and very quickly ran away when Jiraiya arrived. Why did he not do the same with Kakashi? Because Itachi knew that he could defeat Kakashi. In fact, Itachi and Kisame were taking on 3 Jounin at the same time. 3 Jounin of Konoha lost to Itachi and Kisame and Itachi said to Kisame that it didn't matter how many reinforcements they brought to fight Jiraiya: the result would be the same, both of them dying.

And 4 tails Naruto is more than enough to destroy Kakashi. Yamato was chosen to be Naruto's team leader for the specific reason that he could suppress the Kyuubi. If Kakashi could defeat/suppress it, then why is Yamato there?

[Kenpachi-Dono]

But that's what put the Kyuubi in Naruto in the first place.
He can't seal him, he's already sealed.
actually the Death God sealing jutsu is a variation of the one that put the Kyuubi inside naruto..look at the differences..the 4th used the jutsu to seal the kyuubi inside of person..the death god jutsu seals the user and the victim inside of the death god..so if it was the same one then the kyuubi would never have gone inside of naturo but would have been locked in eternal combat with the 4th inside of the death god's stomache

[99wattr89]

actually the Death God sealing jutsu is a variation of the one that put the Kyuubi inside naruto..look at the differences..the 4th used the jutsu to seal the kyuubi inside of person..the death god jutsu seals the user and the victim inside of the death god..so if it was the same one then the kyuubi would never have gone inside of naturo but would have been locked in eternal combat with the 4th inside of the death god's stomache
No, it's the exact same jutsu. Sandaime said so. The reason why it had a different effect has not been explained.

[Kenpachi-Dono]

there have been plenty of jutsu's used in naruto that peopel have said were others but it was pretty evident that they were variations of them..for example sasuke's raikiri..everyone knows that is kakashi's jutsu yet sasuke made a variation of it that expnad throughout his whole body..there have been plenty of instances where people use variations of jutsu's but give credit to the original user..which is what happened in this case

[JJAB91]

The whole thing with the souls fighting in the death gods stomach in my opinion is a load of crap.

[99wattr89]

there have been plenty of jutsu's used in naruto that peopel have said were others but it was pretty evident that they were variations of them..for example sasuke's raikiri..everyone knows that is kakashi's jutsu yet sasuke made a variation of it that expnad throughout his whole body..there have been plenty of instances where people use variations of jutsu's but give credit to the original user..which is what happened in this case
He didn't say variation, he said it was the exact same jutsu.
When someone uses another's jutsu it still has the same basic effect, only the power varies.

[Kenpachi-Dono]

it's common sense..if it was the same exact jutsu then it would have the same exact effect..the raikiri(chidori) for one..when kakashi first taught it to sasuke it was the same exact thing until sasuke made a variation of it

[Kenpachi-Dono]

this is a tough one actually..I'm giving it to Kimimaro with his cursed seal at the 2nd level..only reason Gaara lived was because he was sick..i doubt there are many people who could beat him in that form

[Momentum]

this is a tough one actually..I'm giving it to Kimimaro with his cursed seal at the 2nd level..only reason Gaara lived was because he was sick..i doubt there are many people who could beat him in that form

We haven't seen Kimi's curse seal at full capacity and I don't think were never going to get the chance so we can't assume that it'll be 'godly.' He still can't do much once hes caught in Itachi's genjutsu. Besides Itachi won't be as careless like Gaara.

[99wattr89]

it's common sense..if it was the same exact jutsu then it would have the same exact effect..the raikiri(chidori) for one..when kakashi first taught it to sasuke it was the same exact thing until sasuke made a variation of it
And what if the Kyuubi couldn't be contained in the Death God?

We were told the jutsu was the same. The end.

[99wattr89]

this is a tough one actually..I'm giving it to Kimimaro with his cursed seal at the 2nd level..only reason Gaara lived was because he was sick..i doubt there are many people who could beat him in that form
The Mangekyou Sharingan would finish him off before he got to attack.

[silverwolf801]

Itachi hands down. i don't watch naruto and I still know that he would win

[Kenpachi-Dono]

people keep talking about the M. Sharigan like it's the most powerful jutsu in the world..shadow true we did get a taste of what his cursed seal could do so if he was at full capacity the power the cursed seal could emit would be way more than what he showed..and to say the M. Sharigan would finish him off before he got a chance to attack it crazy..#1 we don't know the full ability of Kimi..we don't know how genjutsu affects him or anything of that nature so how can u assume that it would finish him off

[Kenpachi-Dono]

if the kyuubi couldn't be contained by the death god then it wouldn't have worked if the 4th used that same technique too..what part of this do you not understand? the 4th's sealing technique sealed the kyuubi into another object(much like the technique chiyoba used on Gaara except she didn't die)...the sealing technique used by Sarutobi sealed Orochimaru's arms(soul) into the death god's stomache along with sarutobi's soul..there's no way Sarutobi used the same EXACT sealing technique as the 4th..the evidence is clear..if he used the same exact one then we never would have seen the power of the kyuubi and naruto would be a weak ass genin probably working at the raman shop or something

[Kenpachi-Dono]

and before u think anything i'm not tryna flame u or some at you any sort of way..i'm just stating the evidence that has been shown

[anubis24354]

Besides, as Guy told everyone, all he'd have to do is watch Itachi's feet to be able to avoid the M. Sharigan. Just thought I'd throw that in.

[99wattr89]

if the kyuubi couldn't be contained by the death god then it wouldn't have worked if the 4th used that same technique too..what part of this do you not understand? the 4th's sealing technique sealed the kyuubi into another object(much like the technique chiyoba used on Gaara except she didn't die)...the sealing technique used by Sarutobi sealed Orochimaru's arms(soul) into the death god's stomache along with sarutobi's soul..there's no way Sarutobi used the same EXACT sealing technique as the 4th..the evidence is clear..if he used the same exact one then we never would have seen the power of the kyuubi and naruto would be a weak ass genin probably working at the raman shop or something
We don't know how the technique works, perhaps it lets the user choose where to seal the target.
All we do know is that Sandaime said it was the exact technique Yondaime used to seal Kyuubi.
You can't argue with it, he said it.
I'm not going to debate this any more, it's what he said, so, yes, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it's still true. It's the same jutsu, he said it was.
I'm not going to keep reiterating that, so let's just leave it here.

[Kenpachi-Dono]

tell me..when Sarutobi used it..did u see or hear him say where he wanted to seal the person's soul? no..it was a variation of the technique

[99wattr89]

people keep talking about the M. Sharigan like it's the most powerful jutsu in the world..shadow true we did get a taste of what his cursed seal could do so if he was at full capacity the power the cursed seal could emit would be way more than what he showed..and to say the M. Sharigan would finish him off before he got a chance to attack it crazy..#1 we don't know the full ability of Kimi..we don't know how genjutsu affects him or anything of that nature so how can u assume that it would finish him off
I'm not an Itachi fan, but no-one is immune to genjutsu and you can't avoid or dodge the Mangekyou Sharingan.
Not looking at Itachi's eyes is a load of rubbish, he can cast genjutsu without using his eyes and trick you into looking right at him.
Plus he has two other special abilities that it gives him, both extremely powerful.
People talk about it being the most powerful ability because it is.
It's completely overpowered and at the moment it's virtually unbeatable.
If you read the manga you'll know that Kimimaro was nothing compared to Itachi.
Itachi has incredible speed and many powerful techniques, Kimimaro only has direct attacks. Completely worthless against a genjutsu user.

This is why I hate Itachi, he's stupidly overpowered. And an ass.

[Momentum]

people keep talking about the M. Sharigan like it's the most powerful jutsu in the world..

MS is pretty powerful. Tsukoyomi is strong enough to weaken Kimi then he can do whatever he wants while Kimi is lying on the ground with a seizure or something.

shadow true we did get a taste of what his cursed seal could do so if he was at full capacity the power the cursed seal could emit would be way more than what he showed

When Kimi released his seal, I wasn't surprised at all. Didn't look much to me. We can't keep assume or guess what Kimi is capable of. Only reason why I keep saying Itachi because I've seen him fight a couple of times but with Kimimaro, it seems like we're never going to see him fight because hes dead unless someone uses a forbidden jutsu and brings him back to life but thats HIGHLY unlikely. And please don't say that "if only Kimi wasn't sick or bla-bla-bla..."

and to say the M. Sharigan would finish him off before he got a chance to attack it crazy..#1

I didn't say that MS would obliterate Kimi before he could touch Itachi.

we don't know the full ability of Kimi

Exactly.

we don't know how genjutsu affects him or anything of that nature so how can u assume that it would finish him off

Tsukoyomi... GG
or... perhaps Itachi can use a basic genjutsu then he can toy with Kimi.

[99wattr89]

tell me..when Sarutobi used it..did u see or hear him say where he wanted to seal the person's soul? no..it was a variation of the technique
Sandaime said it was the exact technique Yondaime used to seal Kyuubi.
You can't argue with it, he said it.
I'm not going to debate this any more, it's what he said, so, yes, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it's still true. It's the same jutsu, he said it was.
I'm not going to keep reiterating that, so let's just leave it here.

Read my post or don't reply to it.

[Arei]

WATCH IT

I thought it was pretty good, enough to warrant getting the DVD, but thaaaattsss just me >__> I loved seeing an awesome manga brought to life and I think they did a good job telling the story in the limited amount of time even if it was a bit different at the end. Its still worth watching, but if you're not sure download it first (since unless you live in Japan you cant exactly rent it <__<)


Oh, they have the first DN movie on Netflix (why not the 2nd, i dunno)

[Draffut]

there have been plenty of jutsu's used in naruto that peopel have said were others but it was pretty evident that they were variations of them..for example sasuke's raikiri..everyone knows that is kakashi's jutsu yet sasuke made a variation of it that expnad throughout his whole body..there have been plenty of instances where people use variations of jutsu's but give credit to the original user..which is what happened in this case

Seals have never been shown to have varing effects. Ninjutsu's like Raikiri or Kage Bushin can, becuase of chakra capacity, nature manipulation, and form manipulation.

None of these can be done to seals. a seal is a seal, and if it does somethign else, it's a different seal, and therefor jutsu.

The one that Saidame used is the same as the one Yondaime used. There are 2 explaination for this as of right now:

Saidame's a dirty liar. Yondaime actually used a completely different seal. despite the fact that they look the same. (Very unlikely)

Kyuubi, being a demon monster of near unlimited chakra, cannot be fully consumed by the Death God. SO the Death God ate the 4th, and what he could manage of the Kyuubi, and sealed what remained of the Demon Fox in Naruto. This differs from Orochimaru in that, Saidame was not strong enough to get Orochimaru's whole body. The Deaht God itself was not strong enough to get the entire Kyuubi.

So as Kyuubi regains his power, the seal weakens, and Naruto can release more tails, and access more of the Kyuubi's chakra. (Very likely)

Itachi himself said that he could not defeat Jiraiya and very quickly ran away when Jiraiya arrived. Why did he not do the same with Kakashi? Because Itachi knew that he could defeat Kakashi. In fact, Itachi and Kisame were taking on 3 Jounin at the same time. 3 Jounin of Konoha lost to Itachi and Kisame and Itachi said to Kisame that it didn't matter how many reinforcements they brought to fight Jiraiya: the result would be the same, both of them dying.

Please read the manga, not the anime. In the manga, Itachi never staes that they would lose no matter how many reinforcements they get.

All he states is that if he fought Jiraiya, it would be a tie at best, both dieng. and Kisame cannot beat him.

After they run frm the frog stomache jutsu, Kisame implies Itachi could actually win the fight. Though Itachi doesn't agree or disagree.

And 4 tails Naruto is more than enough to destroy Kakashi. Yamato was chosen to be Naruto's team leader for the specific reason that he could suppress the Kyuubi. If Kakashi could defeat/suppress it, then why is Yamato there?

Becuase Kakakshi was fucked up from using his MS twice. He couldn't get out of bed.

Anyone could have supressed Kyuubi with the seals Jiraiya made. Yamato was introduced specificially so he could be used for Naruto's speed Kage Bushin training in later chapters.

[Twister1352]

I think the fact that jiraiya made the seals to supress the kyuubi shows that he is extremely powerful. (I'm responding to an argument earlier made that said kakashi was at the same strength of jiraiya which I think is wrong)

[anubis24354]

To be honest, the main reason why I pitted these two together is exactly as stated above, we really can't know what Kimi is capable of. I was just curious as to how people would speculate.

Even though a couple of people think it'd be a clean sweep, personally I think it'd be a hell of a match up. And to be honest, even though I voted for Kimi, I'm not really 100% either way, I just think he'd somehow pull it off.

[Vaizard]

I dont see wat you mean wattr it's still a nice thread in comparison to my Byakuya vs Grimmjow thread ,
EDIT: this was deleted before
NEW MSG : Oh sorry , but you say Ichigo and Inuyasha win because Inuyasha and Sesshoumaru arent strong enough to ... Oh I see
Second Edit : Very sorry Legend

[Glitch]

Sarutobi in his prime was most likely the most powerful in Naruto period (if not the most then the 2nd after the 4th). He should be able to take on 6 tails Naruto with out the help of Kakashi and Sasuke IMO. It's not even the full Kyuubi, it is only has 6 Tails representation and it's trapped in Naruto's body. That means is alot weaker then the original and it's causing damage to Naruto the more chakra it releases at that level.
With the added help (what little help they can offer) it shouldn't be that difficult to defeat 6 Tails Naruto. There are a couple of varibales like we haven't seen 6 Tails Naruto yet and we don't know how powerful he is. At the same time from what we have seen from 4 Tails Naruto...Orochimaru may not have been dealing serious damage to him be but he wasn't dealing serious damage to Orochimaru either.

All he states is that if he fought Jiraiya, it would be a tie at best, both dieng. and Kisame cannot beat him.

Since Jiraiya would have tied killing Itachi (dieing in the process also), the same Itachi that fought Kakashi and won, it's obvious Jiraiya is stronger then Kakashi. Remember that Itachi and Kisame choose to run when they encountered Jiraiya at the inn. While Kisame thought they could win Itachi wasn't so sure.


Kakashi's MS sucks. it's extremely slow, and he can't even aim it well during it's slow usage

He can't copy any of Jiraiya's frog jutsu's (Which seam to be most of his best ones). Kakashi was just about inferior in every way to Kakuzu, which is a good reference point. Jiraiya has a grand title, being one of the strongest ninja to date. With just that as backing is proof that he is above someone who is just an elite jounin. Jiraiya has also shown expert ability at seals. And according to the Databooks, seals are the hardest jutsu to perform, the most powerful jutsu, and very hard to replicate. (He made a seal on the spot that was able to seal Naruto from going past 4 tails, and made it portable. Thats more Epic then anything Kakashi has done to date.)

QFT.

Kakashi surely doesn't have anywhere near the ammount of Chakra that Jiraiya has seeing has any advanced Justsu he uses and he is out of commission for a week. Jiraiya summons Gamabunta and still goes on to fight and use even more Justus.

[L]

The message was deleted because it was irrelavent to the topic. Try to reply with a counter next time, please =)

[Draffut]

Since Jiraiya would have tied killing Itachi (dieing in the process also), the same Itachi that fought Kakashi and won, it's obvious Jiraiya is stronger then Kakashi. Remember that Itachi and Kisame choose to run when they encountered Jiraiya at the in. While Kisame thought they could win Itachi wasn't so sure.


I agree with the guy I quoted before, I was just pointing out Jiraiya isn;t as strong as the anime made him out to be. though he is still really fucking strong.

[timmy9296]

I finished watching episode 20 and I want to speed things up by reading the manga but i'm lost i don't know in what chapter im in can someone help me? thx:Domo

[Kenta]

A bit quicker this week.

http://rs72.rapidshare.com/files/52362347/One_Piece_469_by_Makhan.rar

[KholdStare]

Please read the manga, not the anime. In the manga, Itachi never staes that they would lose no matter how many reinforcements they get.
All he states is that if he fought Jiraiya, it would be a tie at best, both dieng. and Kisame cannot beat him.
After they run frm the frog stomache jutsu, Kisame implies Itachi could actually win the fight. Though Itachi doesn't agree or disagree.



Kisame:
アナタならどうにかこうにかやれる相手でも私じゃあ分かりませんよ・・・
I don't know about me, but I'm pretty sure that you could have handled him.

次元が違う。
He's good.

Itachi:
ああ・・・
hmmm
やり合えば二人共殺されるか
We would either both be killed or
よくて相打ちというところ
It would be a draw.

たとえ人数を増やしたとしても変わらないだろう
It wouldn't matter if we went in with more people or not.

Kisame:
ラーメン屋でやっと見つけてはいいが・・・
We're lucky to have finally spotted him at the Ramen shop but

お守り　が　あの“伝説の三忍”とは
His guard is one of the "legendary 3 ninja's."
彼が相手では“木ノ葉のうちは一族”も“霧の忍び刀人衆”の名もかすんでしまう
Having him as our opponet would make us look like nothing.*1

Itachi:
ああしかし・・・・
hmmm, but....
どんな強者にも弱点というのがあるものだ・・・
No matter how strong the opponent is there is a weak spot.


This shows that Itachi feels that it would be a draw at best. It does not matter what Kisame said because if Itachi himself, who knows his own power better than anybody else, knows that he can't defeat Jiraiya, then what use is Kisame's quote? Kisame is from a completely different village. Itachi grew up in Konoha and knew the power of the Sannin.

Either way, the point still stands. Kakashi is nowhere near the power of Jiraiya because Kakashi was completely destroyed by Itachi and that would not be the case if Jiraiya fought Itachi.

[Draffut]

I have never seen that translation of it before. You have the scans?

Mine are back home stateside, I'll see what I cna find later.

[Tobi]

Why would you want to speed it up?

http://www.onemanga.com/Death_Note/

[timmy9296]

Because I want them i start going to the gym, i have soccer practice and i have to study :S

[Edgey]

This would be one hell of a fight...

But I think Itachi would win mainly because he does have the Mangekyou Sharingan and once Kimi gets trapped in that there is no way out for him, but then again Kimi could turn it around with his speed and stap Itachi in the eyes or something, this is quite hard, but then again we haven't seen Kimi in his prime so I'm going to have to go with Itachi.

[Cleric]

This weeks chapter was somewhat better than last weeks . . . it's setting up for a pretty big battle so I can't wait for the next chapter . . .

[ninjabot]

Well...here's my take. Anime: Jiraiya>Kakashi>Sasuke>Naruto. Manga: Sasuke>Jiraiya>Kakashi>Naruto.

I'm sure no one wants to hear my reasoning for the anime victory, you wanna know why Sasuke defeats a sannin. Err, another sannin I mean. Let's do it systematically.

Sasuke vs. 6-tail Naruto. More like Sasuke vs. no-tail Naruto. Sasuke suppresses Kyuubi. Shunshin+Chidori=dead Naruto.

Sasuke vs. Kakashi. I used to think Kakashi's wealth of jutsu were enough to win this fight, but I'm not so sure anymore. An actual challenge, though if the latest Naruto chapter is any indication, Sasuke is infact faster than Kakashi (I say Itachi's faster than Kakashi. Agreed?) Sasuke's able to take Itachi by surprise without hiding, using Genjutsu or upgrading to CS2, and that's even with a stronger Sharingan than Kakashi. Forget charging up that Susano-o,

Sasuke vs. Jiraiya. Well...Jiraiya won't be sick like Orochimaru this time (but come on...if i pick on a bed-ridden Mike Tyson, he'll still K.O. me in one blow, sickness or not. Orochimaru could've easily defeated Sasuke if his arms were'nt pierced, but seeing as though Sasuke crippled him, he gets the credit for the victory). Jiraiya has an un-perfected Rasengan, normal human limitations as far as chakra capacity, but extraordinary battle skill. Though from what we've seen, no effective anti-sharingan abilities. Summoning Gamabunta would lead to a quicker loss, as Sasuke will mind-jack him the same as he did to Manda and use him to off Jiraiya.

Sure, he could trap Sasuke within the toad mouth...Amaterasu burned through it, and I'm sure Amaterasu beats Chidori...but CS2 black Chidori? Or Chidori-current charged Kusanagi sword? Hmm. Then there's CS2, which Oro said was stronger than 4 tail Naruto (though that could've been just to anger Naruto more...) If 4 tail was too much for Jiraiya, then so is Sasuke. Not to mention 4 tail Naruto is a brute while fighting, using no strategy. Sasuke is a genius with 4-tail destructive power.

Then there's Genjutsu. Jiraiya would most likely escape/see through Sasuke's illusions, but not Orochimaru's special "I'm literally inside your head" jutsu. Orochimaru defeated Jiraiya once before (or atleast it's implied when Jiraiya states why he didn't want to be Hokage) and this seems to be his strongest technique, so this is why I say Sasuke has the edge. He's basically a younger Orochimaru with a Sharingan, so everything Oro used against Jiraiya that worked in that fight + Sharingan makes for a win for Sasuke.

Or maybe it would come down to a "that jutsu" situation. We've seen neither character's "that jutsu". Or, maybe Jiraiya knows a kekkei genkai sealing method? Rest assured he's not fast enough to hit Sasuke with it though.

Yeah for now Sasuke wins until Jiraiya does something earth-shatteringly powerful.

[Vaizard]

Itachi would win ,
Facts : Orochimaru vs Sarutobi , Sarutobi lost because he used up too much chakra , also , if Orochimaru fought Itachi , Itachi would win , because Orochimaru is weaker than Itachi. If Orochimaru ( who is weaker than Itachi ) fought Sarutobi and won , Itachi could do the same easily

[99wattr89]

Itachi would win ,
Facts : Orochimaru vs Sarutobi , Sarutobi lost because he used up too much chakra , also , if Orochimaru fought Itachi , Itachi would win , because Orochimaru is weaker than Itachi. If Orochimaru ( who is weaker than Itachi ) fought Sarutobi and won , Itachi could do the same easily
It's Sandaime in his prime, not Sandaime as an old man fighting though.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Itachi would win simply because of the sharingan can read movements.Since Kimmimaro is a close range fighter I don't see him overcoming such a disadvantage.Itachi would just predict every move in his comfort zone.

[Draffut]

One of the greatest animes ever made, and I didn't see a topic on it. Very surreal and cerebrial.

If you have watched this incredible (and slightly dated) show, please let us know your opinions!

[teilwal]

at first i was :eek: then :cussing: HELL YES I WAS PISSED!!! i was so sad too...i couldnt stop crying and fuming for a couple of hours:madfire: ...i mean i kind of guessed he would probably eventually die in the end..but that was THE END..not in the middle of the series! :10: and to REPLACE him with a wannabe :angry: L isnt replacable..ugh..i couldnt bare to watch or read the series for a while..then i got curious and unwillingly crawled back but death note simply isnt the same without L..beautiful L..T.T..:sad

[teilwal]

what do you think death note wouldve been like if their positions had been switched? meaning what would it have been like if L had found the deathnote first and had decided to purge the world of criminals and become the god of the new world he was going to give birth to and light had been the one trying to track down this killer, L? i wonder what kinds of moves each of them wouldve made in their perspective roles..?
i know this kind of speculation can only go on until a certain point but i just thought it was interesting and wanted to know what my fellow death note fans thought...:lol

[Artemis]

I would figure that L wouldn't go crazy like Light did.
He would've studied it, and perhaps use it for other means rather than killing criminals.

Think about it, if L reacted in any other way, he wouldn't be L anymore. And I doubt he'd be as great or as intelligent if he was different.

[Tobi]

The Death Note automatically makes you paranoid and afraid I think, or something along those lines, so I would guess L would go crazy as Scorch said.

[Bamboobie]

Sasuke is stronger... you people dont know shit about Sasuke 2.5yrs later -_-

That's because we only saw him once. I didn't get spoiled, I already knew all the stuff you spoiled.


I think Sasuke would win. He has fire jutsu, and lightening (it's kind of related to fire). Although Kisame is an ANBU, Sasuke probably learned so many new things from Orochimaru. It's almost like a Sannin against and Akatsuki, because Sasuke was taught by a Sannin. Oh, and Sasuke has the Sharingan, he would be able to tell what Kisame moves would be. He'd be able to dodge and counter them all.


We know virtually nothing about Kisame except that he has a lot of chakra. So, I'm saying Sasuke.

[Ravenair]

oh i was very pissed, especially since they killed him off relatively early on, and then we were left with mello (never liked him) and near (who was better than mello IMO but nowhere near L's level), and tbh L: was my favorite character and the only person in the series who could ever hope to be Light's true rival

[SuchHorrors!]

I cried when L died. Then i backed away from the computer. Then i stopped watching Death Note for about a month. I was really pissed afterwards but i got over it and finished the anime lol. I know i'm really wierd aren't i?

[zen]

I was happy as hell when l died, he deserved it. Plus me personally I never liked him.

[Tobi]

Not really pissed, as relieved, they had the progress the story somehow and to kill of three major characters (L, Watari and Rem) seemed like the best strategy.

[FullMetal Rebel]

I would have with Kisame.

If this was the manga it would be game over for Kisame.Sasuke is a lighting specialist after all.

[Lelouch]

If L , had the Death Note , and decided to use it , there would be no criminal. He would be successful :) You gotta agree Light fanboys , that L surpasses Light , Mello , Near in every possible way. He just didnt have the wtfuberPAWNED note or , in near / mello's case the info they had.

[Lelouch]

Lights actor REALLY DOES SUCk. he is the most horrible , japanese actor EVER . But stil the movie is quite good. 7/10 for the movie . watch it.

[Aizen_sama]

The movie is ok, but very long. Its has a lot of different parts then the normal manga. Watch it, if you want

[Aizen_sama]

If L had the death note, the story would be completely different. It wouldn't be call death note anymore. More like study note lol

[Novoxis]

A no holds barred fight between the ultimate shaman warrior Hao with his guardian at his highest level (absorbed spirit king) and Ulquorra, Bleach's uber cool and super f***ing powerful Arrancar. Who do you think would come out on top?

[Gettles]

I would have with Kisame.

If this was the manga it would be game over for Kisame.Sasuke is a lighting specialist after all.

The only lighting attack he has shown is a close range strike where he would have to deal with the fact that Kisame was able to match Gai and his charka eating capabilities.

[99wattr89]

I would have with Kisame.

If this was the manga it would be game over for Kisame.Sasuke is a lighting specialist after all.
In Naruto lightning is good against ground, not water.

[FullMetal Rebel]

In Naruto lightning is good against ground, not water.

So your saying if Sasuke used his ranged chidori on Kisame's ocean thingy,Kisame wouldn't be fried fishy?

That's common sense,and that hasn't been stated yet.


The only lighting attack he has shown is a close range strike where he would have to deal with the fact that Kisame was able to match Gai and his charka eating capabilities.

I said IF it was manga.

[Vaizard]

That's because we only saw him once. I didn't get spoiled, I already knew all the stuff you spoiled.
I think Sasuke would win. He has fire jutsu, and lightening (it's kind of related to fire). Although Kisame is an ANBU, Sasuke probably learned so many new things from Orochimaru. It's almost like a Sannin against and Akatsuki, because Sasuke was taught by a Sannin. Oh, and Sasuke has the Sharingan, he would be able to tell what Kisame moves would be. He'd be able to dodge and counter them all.
We know virtually nothing about Kisame except that he has a lot of chakra. So, I'm saying Sasuke.
You mean AKATSUKI , After Sasuke takes some damage, he'll go 2nd Cursed Seal Level 2x chakra or something , Black Chidori , so he might win :rolleye09
Also , I agree to the sasuke tought by Sannin , also the Sharingan , would sasuke be able to copy Kisame's jutsus like Kakashi?

[99wattr89]

So your saying if Sasuke used his ranged chidori on Kisame's ocean thingy,Kisame wouldn't be fried fishy?

That's common sense,and that hasn't been stated yet.



I said IF it was manga.
I'm telling you what was stated in the manga. If you want to argue, argue with the author. Not me.

[FullMetal Rebel]

I'm telling you what was stated in the manga. If you want to argue, argue with the author. Not me.


Therefore it stands Lighting>water.If Sasuke used his ranged chidori on any of Kisame's water jutsu.He is a goner.

[Kenta]

T_e1lB6j6lM
lol, this gives off some killer loli vibes.

1oREA_TY9hc
^Haruhi and Yuki are possessed. :Haha

[Bamboobie]

You mean AKATSUKI , After Sasuke takes some damage, he'll go 2nd Cursed Seal Level 2x chakra or something , Black Chidori , so he might win :rolleye09
Also , I agree to the sasuke tought by Sannin , also the Sharingan , would sasuke be able to copy Kisame's jutsus like Kakashi?

Yeah, he has a full Sharingan now. He should be, if not better, able to copy what Kakashi could copy. Kakashi only has one Sharingan eye, Sasuke has two. Sasuke should be able to copy no problem.

[Artemis]

Entertaining.
The person who assembled the spoof-intro did a pretty good job.
Even managed to imitate majority of the scenes really wall.

Second one was just odd.

Maybe because I can't actually understand Japanese without those holy subtitles. :)

[Vaizard]

Oh yeah probably , so he could do like any jutsu that Kisame does except that Shark Jutsu he used against Gai?

[ShinjiHirako]

Well, How the hell Light revealed his Death Note to the Japanese Police when Mello stole the Death Note from them?

[ShinjiHirako]

In the Haruhi and Yuki part,Is that the scene where Light explains about his Goals?
And I would like to see it in subbed version.

[ShinjiHirako]

L wouldn't do that.
And if tries L to kill murderers, He will kill them with a meaning so that he won't become suspicious.

[ShinjiHirako]

zxaaoTYLEMo

A bunch of kids that made a dn parody.
They're pretty good.

[Tablo.]

L: *puts bread on knife*

LOL, THIS IS THE BEST DN I'VE SEEN!

The Last Moron XD

[FullMetal Rebel]

Oh yeah probably , so he could do like any jutsu that Kisame does except that Shark Jutsu he used against Gai?


That shark jutsu was anime filler anyway.Sasuke could K.O. Kisame in 1-hit by copying Kisame's water prison,then using one of his lighting jutsu. Sasuke easily takes this.

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[Vaizard]

Stop Thinking Manga. It Says [anime] Please Stick To Anime And Not Manga

[Cleric]

My Angel Links D/L finished in 90 hours . . . but I prolly won't have time to watch it until Friday or Saturday . . .

[Kenta]

yeah, that was him declaring his objective.

[Jay3205]

I'm inclined to say Hao will win. Hao's Spirit of Fire alone has power that's extremely far above gillian menos grande. If I had to estimate, I'd put it at least around Grimmjaw's power. Adding the Great Spirit on top of that would be too much for Ulquiorra to handle.

[Arei]

That first thing totally does not fit and the 2nd.... OMFG that is a random crossover

[Arei]

YOU KILL MY WIFE

NO I DONT I STEAL YOUR DAUGHTER

L is a freakin stoner xDD

[Arei]

Light's actor is buttass ugly, and Light is suppose to be an attractive character

L on the other hand >____> *fans self*

[anubis24354]

That was absolutly hilarious. Hell, even people that have no clue what DeathNote is would find that funny. I think the best part was when "Kira" opend the door and said "Hey, guy beating up my brother, what's your name?" LMAO at that.

[Miyagi Rikku]

The Last Moron

"Murder case again? **** off... bastard"

XD rofl

[mugentyper]

He surely can not match with Ao yet. If he can freeze a far distance of the ocean than luffy steam can not do dmg. We all saw ao touch the ocean water and the ice was milessss long. Maybe naruto will learn more about the gear and use it to his advantage later on when he more exp with his new fighting tech.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Stop Thinking Manga. It Says [anime] Please Stick To Anime And Not Manga


Heh,My bad:rolleye09

I keep forgetting.................................

[Vaizard]

I would forget too , if I was a manga reader , Though this is anime , Uchiha should be able to beat Kisame with his blade , ( everyone forgot ? remember? at Shippuuden Ep1. , Sasuke tried to kill Naruto with it ? )

[FullMetal Rebel]

He was pretty fast on ep.1 too.

[anubis24354]

You know, considering the lack of screen time Sasuke has gotten so far in the anime, it's pretty much an impossible comparison. As far as the anime goes, as of right now Sasuke really can't stand up against Kisame (then again, the anime only showed Sasuke very breifly, so who knows?). This would be a better match up to place else where so that Sasuke and Kisame could be more appropriatly compared. I read the manga and it's really hard to think of any way to compare them without either stating something that hasn't been shown in the anime yet or without refering to pre-time skip Sasuke.

[Alex26]

That shark jutsu was anime filler anyway.Sasuke could K.O. Kisame in 1-hit by copying Kisame's water prison,then using one of his lighting jutsu. Sasuke easily takes this.

I believe you need to know how to manipulate that element to at least use that jutsu. Last time i checked, Sasuke only knew 2 elements, raiton and katon. :3

And I agree with above poster, anime sasuke havent shown any abilitiies besides his "godly" speed so we cant compare him with kisame yet...

But fear not, anime watchers will get more than enough sasuke soon enough, to the point of getting annoying >.<

Kisame > Sasuke for the time being :face82:

[Vaizard]

This is because the producers want the next time Sasuke appears to be sudden , also , if they show alot of him , he'll just turn into a character with a bunch of fanboys and fangirls

[ShinjiHirako]

I'm kinda disappointed but Mello rocked!
Even though he can't surpass L, he rocks!

L was killed by a shinigami.
Light was not a formidable opponent for L.
He can't kill L w/out the shinigami and the deathnote.

I think only one can surpass L.
He is the villain in the BB Serial Murder Case in L.A.
That Guy was a succesor of L.

[Twinky]

human cant compete with a god, no matter how L tries he cant keep the shinigami from killing humans even if it waesn't light's choice to kill all criminals, if those killing didnt involve a human such as light the L would just be nothing but another human leaving for disposal

[teilwal]

I'm kinda disappointed but Mello rocked!
Even though he can't surpass L, he rocks!

L was killed by a shinigami.
Light was not a formidable opponent for L.
He can't kill L w/out the shinigami and the deathnote.

I think only one can surpass L.
He is the villain in the BB Serial Murder Case in L.A.
That Guy was a succesor of L.

the BB Serial Murder Case in L.A...thats from the novel right? did you read it in english? i thought it was suppose to come out in english in feb 08..although ive been looking for and english version online i havent been able to..if you know of any links mind helping me?

[Ryuzaki]

^lol
I'd have to agree with Arei. L looks like...well...L!
And Light looks nothing like Light..

I actually watched this movie at the Anime Expo 2 months ago, so I stayed and finished watching the whole thing for 2 hours. But it was pretty good. It had it's funny and good parts in it.
It's no where near as serious as the anime though...and they change up a lot of things too... like the ending..>.>

But watch it, but only only after you watch the series though. If you are finished with the series then watch this movie.
I'd rate it a 7/10.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

This is one of the most classic battles on the internet. It's only proper that the anime arena is graced by its presence. I put my money on Superman for the following reasons: he's actually FTL (faster than light), he can move celestial bodies (moons or planets), and he has feats backing his hype up. Superman has reached the Sun from Earth in seconds (it takes light from the Sun 8 minutes to reach earth), punched people through Earth, caused a world to fall apart in an all out fight, moved planets, survived getting thrown into a red star (the kind that drains his power), escaped a double black hole's gravity, threw a neutron star, and flew to the end of the universe.

On the other hand, Goku is one of the most wanked characters in fiction, but he doesn't have much in the way of canon (meaning from the manga) feats to put him anywhere near Superman. Unless someone can prove that DBZ characters are actually anywhere near lightspeed or have the physical strength (READ: PHYSICAL STRENGTH AND ENERGY BASTS ARE NOT THE SAME THING) to fight Superman, my stance on this won't change; However, I don't expect any DBZ fan to provide any actual evidence going by previous Superman vs Goku threads I've seen.

Just to be fair, I'll help prevent DBZ supporters from making some common mistakes. First, Funimation created the line with Picolo saying Raditz is lightspeed. He says no such thing in the subs or manga. Second, Vegeta destroying the insect planet on the way to Earth is anime filler. Finally, Super Buu's dimension destroying scream is filler as well. Have fun kids.

[SupraSpeed]

depends on if goku can get ahold of kryptonite or not.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Goku gets no kryptonite.

[Decado]

This was already done ..
going by previous Superman vs Goku threads I've seen.

eh.. ok.

Goku wins with ease anyway. Instant Transmission would excel Superman's speed.
Superman has reached the Sun from Earth in seconds
Yet he doesn't seem to move at the same speeds while on earth? Otherwise he'd be almost omnipotent.

Goku's energy blasts can wipe a galaxy. Won't even have to touch the man of steel.

Anyone facing Goku will lose. He just has to raise his spirit power for most ppl to disintegrate them

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

IT exceeds Superman's speed? I'd like to see you try and back that statement up with a scan. Going by Goku's description, he transforms into a mass of light, which makes him light speed. Superman has proven time and time again that he's FTL. Not to mention, Goku goes back to being slow after he exits Instant Transmission. Look at his fight against Super Buu when he saved Gohan's ass; It took him two seconds to throw his destructo disk. Kal-El could kill him a million times over in that timespan.

Here Superman flies passed the borders of the universe.
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=su3uo8.jpg

It's clear to me that you don't read comics. Unlike the Flash, Superman doesn't have the luxury of the Speed Force, so he would seriously mess Earth up if he went lightspeed or faster on it. Goku's energy blasts can wipe out galaxies? :Haha I bet you can't post a scan or clip supporting this blatant example of fan wanking. Kid Buu's biggest energy bast was only a planet buster, and none of the other celestial bodies in the solar system were effected. Try again. DBZ characters can't even bust stars going by their feats.

Edit: I fixed the picture link.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Goku uses sprt bom n dstrois soopeerman.


Er, i'd put my money on SSJ4 Goku versus Superman....

Superman is nothing special, judging from the movie.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Why would you want to use SS4 Goku? That poor guy needed help lifting a skyscraper. He's also not canon like Broly.

Superman from the movie isn't canon. We're talking about Superman from DC comics. His feats totally destroy anything seen in Dragon Ball Z.

[Decado]

I bet you can't post a scan or clip supporting this blatant example of fan wanking
FFS mate, STFU with your insults and Relax. It's a comic battle -.-


Kid Buu's biggest energy bast was only a planet buster, and none of the other celestial bodies in the solar system were effected.
I went by the fact that Freiza, whose power level is minuscule compared to Goku towards the end, could destroy a planet with his finger. Without powering up.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Don't worry, I'm perfectly calm. I also fail to see how "blatant fanwanking" counts as an insult. NF is a lot more vicious than CB though, so I apologize if it came off as harsh. No harm was intended.

DBZ is wildly inconsistent, so using logic doesn't really work. Roshi had a power level of 139 and he blew up the moon. The farmer with a shotgun had a power level of 5. He's only 27.8 times weaker, so wrecking a city should be no problem for him. We both know he can't.

Perfect Cell's and Super Saiyan Gohan's Kamehameha battle is another example. They were both going all out, but their clash only made a crater a couple hundred meters wide. Freeza, with his casual death ball, totally annihilated Planet Vegeta. Logic and DBZ just aren't the best chums.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Oh well, if it's comics then i don't know.

But judging from Superman returns, Goku would rip him in half. :)

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Unfortunately, most people are only familiar with movie or cartoon Superman. Both are nothing compared to Superman in the comics. His greatest strength feats involve insane stuff like towing multiple planets and throwing a trillion ton neutron star.

Here he throws a multi-trillion ton neutron star.
http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2mw9.jpg
Here he tows multiple planets.
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superboytowingplanets1400026uv.jpg
Also take note that this is before he became Superman. He's still Superboy in these two scans.

[Lex]

GOKU!!!!!Have to stick up for the Saiyan, DBZ fan!

[sanguis]

Yes, L would kill only the most major criminals and he would do this by writig natural causes of death; L isn't obsessed with power like Light so he wouldn't try to make the world acknowledge him.

[Silhouette]

Okay, all this thread is is something to glorify Superman. You start a fight, then take away all of Goku's feats, throwing them off as "fan wanking?", and anime add-ons.

News flash. Who read the DBZ manga? When people talk about DBZ, they talk about the anime. {Edit: Also note that this is the ANIME Arena btw.}

And the Superman you're using isn't canon. No characters used in comic fights nowadays are canon. Want to know why? Because as the years go on, more and more artist whip crazy shit out of their asses to buff up a character.

Take the original Superman. THAT'S what should be used in fights like this. With each incarnation, the artist feels they have to up his power in order to be recognized. The original Superman would be raped by Goku in 3 seconds.

Flying to the end of the universe? Bullshit. Escaping two blackholes? Also bullshit. You want to talk about DBZ not having logic? And you're a comic book fan? What? They're getting to the point now where its just stupid.

Not to mention the fact that these two fighters are entirely different. Superman is a roid-raging monster that gets stronger with each incarnation. He uses phsyical strength and speed.

Goku uses energy and speed. He can't lift buildings? So what? He can destroy planets. Whereas Superman can move them. Big deal? They're both pretty much doing the same feat. Its just a different method.

I'm not a fanboy either. I actually like some comic series. Superman is my least favorite though. There's not even any point in reading the comics unless you want to see the next amazing feat.

What!? Superman just moved the entire universe with his right ass cheek! OMG! AMAZING!

Psh. I'm not flaming you btw, I'm flaming the "Man of Steel". Why is he even called that anymore? Steel's got nothing on him.

And as for Goku. Everyone knows that Vegeta > Goku. >.>

{edit}

Instead of putting Goku vs Hulk and Superman, or any other character as ridiculous as they are, why not have them fight?

Superman vs the Hulk?

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

The true aim of my thread is awareness. Most anime forum members are woefully ignorant of just how powerful Superman is. I'm just supporting a side that's generally not well represented on this kind of site.

I've met plenty of people (I've started reading it myself) who have read the DBZ manga now. You can easily find the whole scanlated series online if you know where to look. It's DBZ except without the extra baggage and a