Prince of Tennis

[Tyekanik]

Most autistic kids don't get the kind of support L got.

It makes you wonder how many would be L's just go through life nonchalantly though.

[Rhea]

Like an Idiot savant? Nah the thing about that is that although they may be good in a certain aspect of knowledge they are usually very poor in another ie, recognising faces to names etc....

[KholdStare]

Oh still , Itachi would win

I hope you know that Orochimaru was weaker than Sarutobi at his prime. So all of the logic in your last post was disproven... so rather than just saying "Itachi wins", you should use logic other than

Orochimaru > Old Sarutobi
Itachi > Orochimaru
Itachi > Old Sarutobi

[teilwal]

Most autistic kids don't get the kind of support L got.

It makes you wonder how many would be L's just go through life nonchalantly though.

i always thought that it was kind of funny and sad that so many people love L(i do too..hes my absolute favorite character..) especially for his autistic qualities but in real life most people would avoid someone like him..as you said mowt autistic kids dont get the kind of support L got..

[Arei]

I know plenty of people downright freaked out by people with disabilities *slaps cousin* or those who act just a little bit "different"

L would have a hard time in the real world... though he isnt exactly in the "real world" anyway, the only thing the public sees is his brilliant mind at work, not his face or personality.

[ShinjiHirako]

No one's like L.
L is too smart too solve 3,500 cases.
He even has a successor.
He's too cool.
If someone was to solve cases that many...
Man.The L of the real world.

[Momentum]

^^ Seele Schneider :)

[Reneto]

if i thnk sasuke will win if in ishida`s there are the time limits to get the finals form

[Momentum]

^^ Rephrase please? Even in Sasuke's demon form, hes still screwed. I haven't been up to date with Naruto lately but Sasuke's demon form is nothing compared to Ishida's final form. Hell... Ishida wouldn't even need to go on final form... >.>

[Reneto]

are you sure, i think final form is so needed for her maximal power...and ...sasuke need saringan that`s from his family...........>>>>>>

[Seff vi Britannia]

are you sure, i think final form is so needed for her maximal power...and ...sasuke need saringan that`s from his family...........>>>>>>

Learn english and i i'll contradict your points.

PS, Ishida isn't a "her"

[Momentum]

are you sure, i think final form is so needed for her maximal power...and ...sasuke need saringan that`s from his family...........>>>>>>

Sorry but seriously I can't understand what you're trying to say here.

[BamBam vi Britannia]

Like so many have said ishida wins. I think this because of his pure speed! Maybe if ishida was half asleep or sumthing sasuke would have a chance but other wise 1 or 2 shots and sasuke wont exsist anymore

[h3h3h3]

I'd like to see Eneru kick some arse in Blue sea oh well discluding BB and Luffy.

[Reneto]

that`s i mean sasuke will be win if the ishida no take final form

[Momentum]

^^ Please state why??? Current state (manga wise) Ishida is faster and deadlier. Ishida can fire up to 1200-1300 per minute and hes fast enough to get himself some distance between him and Sasuke. Sharingan is useless. Why? Ishida doesn't use muscle related attacks such as punching. Yes he fires arrows but thats a totally different thing. And if needed he can use Seele Schneider for close combat. If you don't believe me, read the manga yourself or wait for other people to post here to see how strong Ishida is compared to Sasuke.

>.>...

[S-puff]

that part freaked me out

[Tobi]

Naruto would win this easily, one Rasengan or a Oodoma Rasengan would easily kill Ed.

[Liete87]

Thats right, Cowboy Bebop is re-airing on adult swim starting september 17th at 1:00 central

http://www.adultswim.com/schedule/index.html

For anyone who hasn't seen it nows your chance! :Domo

[silverwolf801]

wow really who hasn't seen this epic show of cowboys who eat bebops.

[DJ StarScream]

I haven't meh to bad it's at 1. I would never stay up that late. oh well there is torrents.

[Nood]

Does the fact that my country's animax have been airing it for about 4 years non-stop now make my country superior? :)

I could probably turn off the sound and say the dialouges by now.

[SoulReapa]

wow i cant wait to see it i just can wait

[silverwolf801]

hahaha you never saw cowboy bebop before

[Cleric]

If it's not in Japanese then it's not worth it . . , I'm like nood in that I've seen it so many times I could recite the lines by heart . . .

[silverwolf801]

why do you lie the english version is WAY better than the subbed

[Nood]

I saw it both subbed and with hungarian dub, amazingly I think cowboy bepop was the best hungarian dub ever made, as the VAs actually fit the character.
I heard some of the english but its not better...its worse then sub.

[Cleric]

I'm a purist when it comes to anime . . . the only anime I have ever liked dubbed was Hellsing and only because they used British accents . . .

There's just something about dubbed anime that makes it suck . . .

[silverwolf801]

I mean I dont' like all dubbed anime (bleach) but the majority of anime that I do watch is dubbed

[pylar]

I actually like the Cowboy Bebop dubbed, but that is cause Steve Blum's voice is pretty sexy.

I'm more excited because maybe AS has realized it should stop trying to make its own programming :P Sure, they're just going back to a standby... I mean, they had it for like three years straight. I'm sure Trigun will come back too :P But since Watanabe is my hero, I am excited :D Plus, its midnight central time zone, and I'm usually off by then and looking for something to watch on TV before I sleep. so even if I have the series and music memorized, I'm going to be watching it :D

[Joe Black]

In change of simply ultimate powers fighting, I'm in the mood for an 'intellectual' fight discussion.

So, who would win?
Yagami Light / Kira [Death Note]
or
Lelouch Lamperouge / Zero [Code Geass]

Lets face it, they both have a striking simularity; that they become a different personality after attaining their special powers. If it really came down to power, i'd say it'd end in a ridiculously funny slap fight or a battle of Gundam-like Nightmares.

what do you think?

EDIT: Assume not straight 1 v 1 battle; think they are in the same city and just want to kill the other.

[Tobi]

If it really came down to power, i'd say it'd end in a ridiculously funny slap fight or a battle of Gundam-like Nightmares.


Light in a silly slap fight?

o.o

Light runs into a building, locks the door, writes that guys name into his Death Note.

[Undying]

Are you talking about "part one" Light or "part two" Light?

In part one (L's life), Light was incredibly smart and could easily outmaneuver L (he managed to fool L to the point the latter thought of him as a friend).

If you are pitting "part one" Light against Lelouch, I think Light wins. Lelouch, although admittedly unbelievably smart and cunning, still has a way to go: he actually almost lost to Cornellia at their first encounter, and he mostly won through knowing the inner workings of the Britannian Empire.

Although it will be close, assuming Light has Ryuk to give him hints here and there, Light wings - Ryuk is more efficient than Lelouch's Geass.

If we're talking "part two" Light, when he was easily and cleverly beaten by Melo and Near, and when he miserably misjudged his co-workers to the point where he had to resort to the tricks of actually "removing surveillance" from the hotel room (as if that wouldn't arouse suspicion) and failing to notice that the papers were marked, then Lelouch wins.

Lelouch's Geass would be able to outdo Light's attempts at secrecy, and most likely Lelouch is at least as smart as Melo or Near.

In short, it really depends on which Light you're talking about.

If it really came down to power, i'd say it'd end in a ridiculously funny slap fight or a battle of Gundam-like Nightmares.
Wouldn't come down to that. Either Light will find out Lelouch's actual name (not Lamprouge, the real name) and kill him, or Lelouch would command Light to kill himself with his Geass.

Light runs into a building, locks the door, writes that guys name into his Death Note
We are obviously working under the assumption Light only knows Lelouch as "Zero" or doesn't even know his name.

[Lelouch]

You cant prove if an L exists or not... Its like trying to prove that there are aliens or sth. .no proof , no cookie >.>

[SoulReapa]

i dont think so

[SupraSpeed]

i like the dubbed version too, but i really never took the time to watch the subbed versions

[momo-taichou]

i love cowboy bebop actually..defintely top 10 anime for sure! XD... but i own all the episodes on DVD so there isnt a point for me to stay up :p

[Bladecatcher]

^ ME TOO!!
MAUHAHAHAHAHAHAH
...and the movie too =D

[Chikiru]

coolness i love cowboy bebop its the awesomness

[Kimochi]

maybe and maybe not.
doesn't mean L is too smart to be true doesn't mean it's not true. with the creation of God why not? maybe it's ridiculous to have such a smart guy but it may be possible.

[dawin45]

mai Yamane, Steve Conte and The seatbelts had done an amazing job with the soundtrack, and i still listen to the: rain, got to knowck a little harder, tank!,the real folk blues are amazing songs! 10/10 for the soundtrack there!I really think they should do a remeake of somesort with some new plot and storyline, cause cowboy bebop still rocks!

[Outlawz]

Are you talking about "part one" Light or "part two" Light?

In part one (L's life), Light was incredibly smart and could easily outmaneuver L (he managed to fool L to the point the latter thought of him as a friend).

If you are pitting "part one" Light against Lelouch, I think Light wins. Lelouch, although admittedly unbelievably smart and cunning, still has a way to go: he actually almost lost to Cornellia at their first encounter, and he mostly won through knowing the inner workings of the Britannian Empire.

Although it will be close, assuming Light has Ryuk to give him hints here and there, Light wings - Ryuk is more efficient than Lelouch's Geass.

If we're talking "part two" Light, when he was easily and cleverly beaten by Melo and Near, and when he miserably misjudged his co-workers to the point where he had to resort to the tricks of actually "removing surveillance" from the hotel room (as if that wouldn't arouse suspicion) and failing to notice that the papers were marked, then Lelouch wins.

Lelouch's Geass would be able to outdo Light's attempts at secrecy, and most likely Lelouch is at least as smart as Melo or Near.

In short, it really depends on which Light you're talking about.

Is it not amazing how much of a retard Light was made in part 2 just to hold up the silly good>evil BS? Anyway, Light wins, I always use first half Light, because the second half is just somewhat of a bad dream.

[Donut]

Pfft, Light is superiour to Lelouch.

All Lelouch does is saying things like: "Move from C4 to D6, hohoho" and uses his Geass.

[Outlawz]

Guts would win, because he's fucking Guts.

[Aleister]

w/the Berserker Armor, Gattsu all the way. Sorry Ikkaku fans, but seriously his bankai just doesn't impress me.

(all of this is assuming we drop the rule that only hollows and soul cutters can hurt shinigami of course)

[Aleister]

I don't mind the dub...I've seen both versions.

for me I only watch a few dubs, and normally only cause I'm watching them when I can't look at the screen to read.

I watch Bleach dub just because I really like Johnny Yong Bosch(Ichigo)'s voice.

[Gluiperd]

Cool that it's airing again. I just downloaden all eps in HQ. Almost finished watching. Spike is definetly the coolest character ever ^^

/me loves bebop

[Kuroudo]

This is a mismatch Ishida is the strongest non-shinigami/soul character in Bleach Ishida dosent have to go final form to beat the crap outa sasuke who i belive now has gone to not the dark side...but the emo side.

[Kuroudo]

Ichigo FTW Sure inuyasha has some pretty mountain slashing, Building Crushing moves but it dosent matter if he cant hit Ichigo + Inuyasha is slow as hell. If ichigo went bankai in the beginning of the battle he would just slash Inuyasha in like 1 second and then its over.

[cyberfields]

inuyasha is way tooo slow... ichigo's spiritual pressure would be worse than saying "sit". inuyasha would be down in less than a couple of seconds...if that...

[Outlawz]

InuYasha would bore Ichigo to death.

[Kuroudo]

InuYasha would bore Ichigo to death.

IF Inuyasha even had a SINGLE CHANCE of winning. it would be like this Inuyasha would get his arm sliced off by ichigo inuyasha would say Oh My god you cut off my arm and...its bleeding! and it hurts....and I love to state the obvious!

[EndlessSky]

I have the entire series on DVD, I love this show and was one of the first anime I ever watched.

I agree about the dub, its one of the few english voice overs I can watch.

Glad to see they are going to be airing it yet again.

[Kuroudo]

Wow this is a hard one. i never liked Kingdom Hearts but i know that sora can basiclly fly or levitate uses elemental magic and dual wields keyblades which are basicly just swords. Ichigo on the other hand is FTW mainly because sora cant catch up with Shunpo and Ichigo + Shunpo + Sword = Sora dead

[Silhouette]

Ugh. Necrobumpage.

Things you should know about Sora:

- He can also "shunpo". He does it at the end of the game, in the final battle. He's also used to fighting people as fast as most Bleach characters. (Xemnas, Marluxia, Larxene, etc.)
- He can slice buildings in half much like Zaraki, and is as agile - if not more - than Ichigo. Sora can run up and down buildings, leap from them, etc.


Just throwing that out there. Ichigo needs Bankai for this.

[Kuroudo]

Ikkaku.... he bows before battle and the shinyness created from his head blinds both tien and nappa stab stab with Houzikmaru=Pwned

[Kuroudo]

Ugh. Necrobumpage.
Things you should know about Sora:
- He can also "shunpo". He does it at the end of the game, in the final battle. He's also used to fighting people as fast as most Bleach characters. (Xemnas, Marluxia, Larxene, etc.)
- He can slice buildings in half much like Zaraki, and is as agile - if not more - than Ichigo. Sora can run up and down buildings, leap from them, etc.
Just throwing that out there. Ichigo needs Bankai for this.

Weird, everytime i go to a forum your always there aganist what i am voting for...werid. anywyas i didnt know about he could do shunpo but he is diffenintly not faster than ichigo. Getsuga Tenshou could destroy rows of buildings. his hollow side could atcually disentigrate them. Ichigo yes needs bankai to defeat sora but lately everyone has been using their bankai's. but ichigo in vaizard form =pwned

[Kuroudo]

Naruto is beneath my fav char ichigo yet he is above Edward Elric

Naruto<<E.E

[Kuroudo]

I Doubt Inuyasha would team up with Ichigo i also Doubt Sesshomaru teamed with Byakuya, Byakuya is a GOOD guy. but still this is just like 1 on 1 battles

Ichigo vs Sesshomaru=Sesshomaru Pwned or at least heavily injured (he cant die)

Inuyasha vs Byakuya=Inuyasha murderalized

Since Ichigo fought Byakuya and won thats pretty much decided but i dont know about Inuyasha vs Sesshomaru but my money is on him. in general i think Ichigos side would win.

[Kuroudo]

I thought the most annoying person in bleach was, Inoue or Kon wel not kon cus hes piverted not annoying. still go Don Kanoji cus i like bleach allot more than DBZ

[Kuroudo]

This is gonna be a tough one indeed. both are masters are swordsmanship yet Sephiroth has magic attacks and transformations. not to mention super nova Kenpachi however just wont die he is stubornn and dosent feel pain in battle. damn i cant decide T_T

[Kuroudo]

Well since the Goku vs god wasnt working out i tried a more reasonable one. In bleach Aizens goal is to kill the King of Soul society and become the new king. Aizen must have trained pretty hard to become the most powerful person in bleach so far.

[Kuroudo]

Cloud FTW Siegfried clearly cant jump as high as Cloud can + Cloud can swing his sword way faster and has special moves like Omnislash, While siegfried has a game combo like...X O X Square, Triangle

[Kuroudo]

This is really mismatched. Kenshin is like the most normal non-super powered anime character yet he is so freaking strong going shunpo in a single 8 slashing move. i dont underestimate a pirate with 3 swords but i thought the fact that the 3rd one was in his mouth was kinda gay.

[Kuroudo]

Uh...havent watched many vampire animes...all i know is that allot of them involve Blood Somthing in their title. anyways i say Saya from Blood+ but i dont know if shes really a vampire

[Kuroudo]

Okay well first of all the ORganization cant see the Gotei because they are spirts but since thats not really reliable, the gotei 13 would pwn them, Shunpo is just too fast for most of the members. Xenmas or whatever would be the only real challenge.

[Kuroudo]

Hitsugaya is the captain weve seen fight the most which is werid because he gets pwned allot ever since the espada attacked. but still roxas would loose to hitsugaya but he would need to go bankai. because if Roxas gets hit once he will immideniently freeze over then hitsu would just shatter him.

[Arei]

I saw the preview for this last night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Diary_(2007_film)

your thoughts?

[Kuroudo]

Ichigo FTW tottaly i mean Ryu is a normal human compared to Ichigo + Swords beat fists most of the time.

[Outlawz]

Alucard, since Hellsing is the only vampire anime I can think of that doesn't suck.

[Miyagi Rikku]

not a rip. :P i believe XD

[Nrvnqsr Chaos]

im a huge street fighter fan (i run the fc lolz) but ryu does not even compare to ichigo. even if he uses the sastui no hado(evil ryu), getsuga tenshou > hadouken, shinkuu hadouken, shin shoryuken, etc.

[Kuroudo]

so who WOULD win? luffy with 2nd gear? ichigo with bankai?goku with super saiyan? who knows?


P.S. sorry for mispelling kurosaki XP

Uhhhh you do realize no one has posted besides me right? anyways Monkey D. Luffy would be killed by Ichigo and Goku. But though i hate goku because hes Overpowered and DBZ sucks ass to me. Goku would defeat Ichigo in a 45 Minute battle of shunpo and clashing though Goku would not come out unscathed he would at least have some limb get cut with blood. Ichigo wouldnt get killed by Goku though.

[Arei]

Its probably not, but its so freakily simular >_> That Ursula girl is so freakin Light-ish

[Miyagi Rikku]

Well, most character descp revolve into beig greedy and yeah. x3

[Kuroudo]

This Forum has already been done but yet.

Shikai= Fair battle Ichigo cant use shunpo as good as bankai and does a weaker Getsuga Tenshou that would be a little bit weaker than Wind Scar or any other move (he has so many i forgot them all)

Bankai= Pwned, Inuyasha is doomed at this point Ichigo is going so fast he can create 8+ After images, not to mention Getsuga Tenshou can now Destroy rows of buildings and Shirosaki cant litteraly obliterate them to ashes. Ichigos sword can slice and dice Inuyasha.

[Kuroudo]

what if he use the back-lash wave and reflects the getsuga tenshou?????

Thats impossible Getsuga Tenshou is not a demonic move. Hollows are not Demonic as well. Spirts=Good Souls. Hollow=Good Soul that turned evil.

[Kuroudo]

ROFL WTF?!!!!!?!??!?!?!?!?! Renji cant get attacked by the snakes because he is basiccly a divine god to the snakes and baboons if they had a religon

[Kuroudo]

i dont really get this one. is this a Battle of the who smarter? or whos stronger? Well if its a battle of wits then probably the L kid would win however in battle L is doomed Kyoka Shikai= makes you wanna commit suicide

[Kuroudo]

Ninja can't fight shingamis.

First off there not even Ninjas okay. The whole ninjaness of Naruto died after the Chunnin Exams. the only thing still ninja is the word jitsu, Shurikens, Kunai and chainmail. and secondly Ukitake has the ability to control water and electricity combine them together to make lightning strike you allot. so Ukitake FTW also plz stop making these its obvious that everyone in Bleach can pwn everyone in Naruto

[Kuroudo]

If you are going to make a Naruto vs Bleach forum please make the Bleach Characters fight a naruto character that might be at the same level however thats really impossible because everyone in Bleach is allot stronger than the people in Naruto. Ichigo FTW also. the fact that his bone is harder than steel comes this.

Regular Bones <<< Steel <<<Kimi's Bones<<<<<Buildings in Soul Society

[Silhouette]

1. That's not true at all. Some Naruto characters can fight some Bleach ones.

2. How old is this thread? Is there any reason to necrobump this thread, then tell someone to stop making them? Its so old and dead that its not even funny..

Stop making these threads? No, more like stop reviving them. =_="

[Silhouette]

What? This is the first time I've ever seen you before in my life. CB is the only forum I'm even active in.

[Undying]

Is it not amazing how much of a retard Light was made in part 2 just to hold up the silly good>evil BS? Anyway, Light wins, I always use first half Light, because the second half is just somewhat of a bad dream.
It's almost painful, isn't it?
Pfft, Light is superiour to Lelouch.

All Lelouch does is saying things like: "Move from C4 to D6, hohoho" and uses his Geass.
He still pwn'd Britannia. And by the way, Lelouch is playing chess.

[Tablo.]

Umm... No.

But Ursula is slightly Light-ish. Beside, Light's actual goal is to "make the world a better place".

Is dominique supposed to be L? XD No wai.

[Silhouette]

Ok.

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=21095

1. READ THE RULES! All Shinigami CAN be seen.

2. All Org members can Shunpo.

3. Actually look at the posted vids before reviving year old threads.

[Kuroudo]

wow i didnt think anyone else liked Air Gear besides my friend who got all obsesed over it. anyways Renji FTW shunpo to the max

[Joe Black]

Street Figher II is awesome, but when faced with a "Death God" with unfair strength boosts (think about it, Ichigo attained BANKAI in freaking less than two sagas), Ryu would lose.

Not even Shin lvl.2 Akuma would have a chance; and Shin lvl.2 Akuma isn't exactly a featherweight contender.

[Kuroudo]

1. That's not true at all. Some Naruto characters can fight some Bleach ones.
2. How old is this thread? Is there any reason to necrobump this thread, then tell someone to stop making them? Its so old and dead that its not even funny..
Stop making these threads? No, more like stop reviving them. =_="

They can fight them but they wouldnt win unless its a bleach character like Sado, Inoue, Ishida but ishida is pretty freaking strong.

[Arei]

No XDD Dominique is in no shape or form L... THAT is for sure.

DN was the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this, though I guess with the lack of L its not really THAT simular...

It was too late at night to think about these things >_< sry, I just noticed it XDDD

[Kuroudo]

What? This is the first time I've ever seen you before in my life. CB is the only forum I'm even active in.

no i meant i havent replied to you i was just looking at the forum and i meant only Club Bleach. also how can you "see" me? i live in like New Jersey

[Kuroudo]

Ok.
http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=21095
1. READ THE RULES! All Shinigami CAN be seen.
2. All Org members can Shunpo.
3. Actually look at the posted vids before reviving year old threads.

I already said the fact that they cant be seen wasnt really counted.

[Silhouette]

I meant "seen" as in on CB, obviously. And I also live in NJ, not that that matters.

[/spam]

Bottom line: Ichigo wins, but I was just informing everyone.. again.. that it won't be a cake walk outside of Bankai. People underestimate KH characters because of the Disney-factor. Don't do that, people. :whatevah:

[Juujika]

@Pipo: when I was reading you post all I could think of was
*Pipo sings "This is why i'm hot, this is why i'm hot, this is why, this is why, this is why i'm hot" while posting*

^_^ BA chapter btw . . . now were finally back to the action ^_^ V,,
muahaha my secret to writing posts with alot of emotion, This is why i'm hot!

[Joe Black]

wull, there are simularities, but i wouldn't consider this to be a copy. There aren't any shinigami, the book doesn't have to be used to kill, and I don't think Ursula has a sick notion of 'purifying the world' like Light does. Not yet, anyways.

To grant any wish... that would be rockin'! but maybe it'll have unexpected consequences like the short story "The Monkey's Paw". thx for pointing it out! :D

[Kuroudo]

I think naruto'll go berserk with his 9 tails all out. I bet he'll be even stronger and faster than ichigo. And well, D. Luffy 'll die from a heart attack

Lol Luffy will laugh so hard for no reason he atcually dies from it. while Ichigo and Naruto fight. the thing is Naruto can beat the crap out of Ichigo if he can hit him. i mean Ichigo is so damn fast in his bankai Naruto cant catch him

[Kuroudo]

Kagome is hotter but Rukia is wayyyy better in the terms of combat.

[Kuroudo]

Who the hell is the other person? if i dont know who the other person is i immdiently vote the other guy, unless its Goku. besides IChigo ftw

[Kuroudo]

I think alucard would still win. Just because aizen could control him for some time doesnt mean he can kill alucard.alucard cannot die, so how can he lose?

He can make him commit suicide. i mean Aizen can make anyone do anything with his Shikai of his zanpaktou. also we shouldnt really do threads about people who havent fully revealed their fully power like Aizen hasnt even revealed his Bankai.

I mean you dont have to kill someone to defeat them. you just need to make them as good as dead. For Example: Cutting off all limbs and burying them far apart from each other.

[Gettles]

If it's not in Japanese then it's not worth it . . , I'm like nood in that I've seen it so many times I could recite the lines by heart . . .

Well, you are missing out. Because the Bebop dub beats the sub like a small child.

[Kuroudo]

I meant "seen" as in on CB, obviously. And I also live in NJ, not that that matters.
[/spam]
Bottom line: Ichigo wins, but I was just informing everyone.. again.. that it won't be a cake walk outside of Bankai. People underestimate KH characters because of the Disney-factor. Don't do that, people. :whatevah:

Lol disney was better when walt disney was alive.

[Kuroudo]

I dont care if Neo was stronger than Ichigo i hated that movie all the way. i fell asleep in the middle of the first one the storyline was just WAYYY to hard to understand. Ichigo FTW guns cant hurt a shinigami if you watched the Sealed sword frenzy OVA you would know that. and Neo being just as fast as ichigo? i think you are overestimating that Matrix nearly created the word "Slow-Mo" so when you think they are going fast they are atcually moving slow as hell ^_^

[cyberfields]

i would have to say neo... you remember wherever neo is his powers are... remember in the 3rd movie... the powers of the one are in the physical world and the matrix... i would think that neo and ichigo would start off at minimal strength and then eventually build up pushing other past their limits...


ps... Smith vs. Ichigo vs. Neo would be match of the ages...

[FullMetal Rebel]

This thread is soooo old. Anyway I choose Organization XIII. They can own the Gotei so hard it ain't even funny. I forgot all their names, but I'll try my best.

The guy with the guns can kill any of the Gotei in a heartbeat. The boss fight is evidence enough.

Axel can probably take most of them.

The dude with the 1000 lances, forget about it game over.

Xenmas, would destroy the whole of SS.

Okay well first of all the ORganization cant see the Gotei because they are spirts but since thats not really reliable, the gotei 13 would pwn them, Shunpo is just too fast for most of the members. Xenmas or whatever would be the only real challenge.

Have you even fought any of them? The organization XII are fast as hell.

[FullMetal Rebel]

First and fucking foremost. No retarded bullshit about "gameplay doesn't count" CRAP! I don't want to hear that BULLSHIT! Dante has all his weapons from all 3 games, and all his feats from the cut scenes. If you can't deal with that then, GTFO!

Ok to begin the damn thread.

Dante has all his weapons and styles from all the games,and Devil Trigger. Zaraki Kenpachi has everything he has done in bleach manga, none of that anime crap.

Dante is faster than Zaraki Kenpachi from what I seen with trickster, and Dante has Alastor which makes him faster. Stack Devil Trigger with that too.

In a battle of strength Dante has the Beowulf gauntlets to take the upper hand with ease.

Dante has the advantage with sword fighting. With weapons like Agni&Rudra and Cerberus being faster than Kenpachi's sword strikes.

Dante could use weapons like Agni&Rudra and Ifrit for special elemental attacks which Kenpachi lacks.

Or Dante could use Sparda to end it all.

Dante's tolerance of pain is just as much or even more than Zaraki's. Being shot in the head, then just spitting the bullet out, or the first cutscene from DMC3. Are just a few examples.

EDIT: Oh yea and Dante has his feats and weapons(if he has any) from the anime as well.

[Arei]

oh lord xD I was scarred by The Monkey's Paw in 7th grade.... scary shit there O_O

[Jay3205]

Zaraki is far too strong for Dante to handle, and there is evidence he has at least shunpo. Since VC level zanpakutou can't scratch Zaraki, nearly no conventional long range weapons would hurt him besides the tank gun and grenade/missile launcher, which can't be fired quickly or while moving.

On speed, Dante may be able to keep up, assuming his shunpo can be used like a captain. On strength, his strength his far below what it takes to win. Dante in raw strength is weaker than Beowulf, a character that can make craters in the ground with punches. He gets smacked around by low-level weaklings and can be injured by normal weaponry. Zaraki is leagues above Jidanbou, a character who can tear up large areas of stone with relatively little effort.

[Kitsune_Ghost]

Light Yagami. I like how he is smart, and he's not bad lookin either, and I can agree with him about getting rid of bad people to make the world a better place

[Joe Black]

yay for pie

I agree. Pie is awesome, therefore Rukia would win. Anyways, Rukia out-ages her by about a couple hundred years of battle experiance.

Shinigami speed would dodge the arrows, and if Rukia didn't want to dodge them she could use Kidou to block. It's sad to know that even though I don't have a bias when it comes to Bleach characters fighting other anime characters, Bleach characters tend to win about 99% of the time.

Anyways, I really don't care much otherwise. For example, wai would they even fight?

[Nood]

Well, you are missing out. Because the Bebop dub beats the sub like a small child.

Thats personal preference.
The "sub" is the original, so its not a question of the dub could be better or not.
Either way, if someone likes it in original or not its simply their choice, you can't say the dub beats the sub, when not everyone is native english anyway.

[Sleven]

L definetly.

He's just cool,. plus i like the way he drinks tea, for some reason, lol.

[Jay3205]

Rukia would win. Speed + magic spells = win

It's rare to see 100% agreement on any battle topic.

[Yuki]

My fav is Yagami Light. I love when he anticipates to everything. Imo, it's just pwnage :Domo

[Yuki]

Awesome chapter =O I'm itching to see how will Luffy and his crew fight Oz.

[Jay3205]

Agito would never stand a chance against any main character in Bleach, with the possible exception of Inoue. He's just a normal kid on skates. He's not nearly strong enough to hurt Renji.

If you'd read the latest Air Gear manga, you'd know that an old guy wearing AT from a low-skill team is able to outmaneuver Agito. If Agito was skilled enough to ride giant moving snakes, he wouldn't need to practice wall riding. Agito is likely the weakest of all the true kings. Renji takes this easily.

[Kuroudo]

i would have to say neo... you remember wherever neo is his powers are... remember in the 3rd movie... the powers of the one are in the physical world and the matrix... i would think that neo and ichigo would start off at minimal strength and then eventually build up pushing other past their limits...
ps... Smith vs. Ichigo vs. Neo would be match of the ages... If Neo got stabbed it would be over.....+ i dont think Neo can warp place to place without being seen (because hes moving so fast) sure neo can fly and go really fast but hes not as fast as Ichigo.

[Kuroudo]

This thread is soooo old. Anyway I choose Organization XIII. They can own the Gotei so hard it ain't even funny. I forgot all their names, but I'll try my best.

The guy with the guns can kill any of the Gotei in a heartbeat. The boss fight is evidence enough.

Axel can probably take most of them.

The dude with the 1000 lances, forget about it game over.

Xenmas, would destroy the whole of SS.



Have you even fought any of them? The organization XII are fast as hell.


Your Really underestimating the Captains.
yea, i just found out they can use shunpo. Besides guns cant hurt shinigami if you watched the Sealed Sword OVA you would know that. + if it was pre-aizen Gotei 13 they would instantly pwned by Tosen and espically Aizen and dont underestimate the 13 Court Guard squads they arent push overs they are as fast as the Organzation with the exception of Byakuya who is a master of shunpo. + They have Kenpachi he has no special powers but was able to beat a guy with a Cheap Bankai (elimnates 4 of 5 senses) and a fox guy that can use a gigantic sword to crush you and he beat them both! i dunno about Ukitake and Shunsui they would probably be in a draw though Shunsui can deflect a building crushing blast with his fingertip. SoiFong has that two-hit kill move so if she hits you twice it dosent matter who or what you are, you die. the organization is tough they can probably beat all the lieutenants one at a time except Renji who is near-captain level. But man Sephiroth is the hardest Boss in KH2 which means hes harder than Xenmas but Kenpachi can fight at the same level of Sephiroth in terms of swordsmanship. Wow this is a long post

[Neko Rae]

My favorite is Ryuk because he's the funniest and he likes apples. I like L too

[Kuroudo]

I never played DMC but guns cant hurt shinigami, (sealed sword Frenzy ova) so if he only uses guns hes screwed but if theres another weapon he uses then it would be even but he would pwned by the 3rd espada i think the first espada is the girl one.

[Kuroudo]

I heard somewhere that Vaan is gay i mean he wears an open shirt. anyways i dont really like either of them i only used Auron in FFX ^_^. But if i had to choose i had to go with Tidus because i never really got into FFXII

[Kuroudo]

Hmm chad has two arms now right? a big shield and a offensive one? i havent seen him in action with his new arms but i thought S-Cry-Ed was a werid storyline.

[Kuroudo]

My friend, what you are experiencing is fanboyism at its finest. Your friend realizes that even the weakest Bleach characters would rape the strongest One Piece characters, yet his fanboyism refuses to give in.
Let's go down the list, eh?
Ichigo's normal speed would run circles around Zoro. Ichigo in Bankai would run 30 circles around Zoro per second WHILE Zoro is running around.
And then there's Hollow Ichigo. The fight wouldn't go that far though. Hell, Ichigo won't even need to go Bankai. A simple Shunpo behind Zoro and slash would end this fight.
Either your friend is the biggest Zoro fanboy, or he's just...retarded. No offense.

Thats how i'd sum that up XD Zoro aint got anything on Ichigo one piece if below bleach in standard power levels

1. DBZ/GT
2. Bleach
3. Death Note
4. Naruto
5. One-Piece

PLEASE DONT REPLY ABOUT THAT LIST THIS IS ZORO VS ICHIGO NOT WHICH IS THE MOST POWERFUL LINEUP

[Kuroudo]

You have a point, spc corse of the points where the limbs of the gundams are connected... They don't look to be made of Gundanium...

Renji would be in a tough spot but would win. hed have to go bankai but since his bankai is slow hed have to disconnect them to attack him from far away however since its Gundamnion Alloy it woiuld be hard to break the only way renji can win if he is able to use Hiho Taiho (Baboon King Cannon) which would probably blast off a limb or two of the gundam. For Heero if hes in a gundam he would have a chance out of one=dead. The Twin buster cannon is enough to destroy Hiho Zabimaru but if he detaches them and uses shunpo to get away from the blast he can escape it however he would need to do this 3 times so that Wing Zero (If he was using it) would explode from pressure. In Gundam Wing he would be allot slower but it would take at least 8 shots in a row to destory the gundam on its own:Domo

[Kuroudo]

Okay KH2 Sephiroth his mainly based on his Swordsman ship if hao uses a sword or does melee most of the time he would loose but Sephiroth only has a pillar of flames attack and a Orbs of Darkness move if he was fighting FF7 Sephiroth or Origin Sephiroth he would eaisly win. Because he can transform due to jenova and lets not forget Super nova a move that destroyed pluto, saturn and jupiter.Hao would have a good chance but i dont really know much about Shaman King all i know that the ultimate shaman is Thrall from Warcraft ^_^

[Kuroudo]

You know if you read the title.

Rules: Goku cant fly into space and do a super kameha and he cant blow up the planet which is earth
Sephiroth cant clone himself or use Jenova to control Goku, He does not have Kingdom Hearts powers.

[Kuroudo]

If you mean full power then you mean 9-tails? depends if naruto is a killing machine or at least has some of his personality. Shirosaki has never been wounded and if he was he would be like Kenpachi and ignore it. His Getsuga Tenshou is 10x stronger than Ichigo's. Hes also psychotic and his about 2x faster than ichigo. but he never goes on the defensive

[Chikiru]

heero 4 evah hes way better than renji busides hes got a gundam and gundams own all dem other anime genres HEERO!!!!!!!

[Alerane]

http://www.sheezyart.com/view/1440517/

I thought it was funny, hope you all like :Domo

Edit: Oh, and it does have spoilers in it for those new to the anime

[Kuroudo]

heero 4 evah hes way better than renji busides hes got a gundam and gundams own all dem other anime genres HEERO!!!!!!!

Goku, Aizen two badass well maybe not goku really uber god-moding characters Goku-Can blow a gundam up with a single kamehameha
Aizen-Uses Kyoka Suigetsu he would then be able to use a spell like White Lightning or Black Coffin if his Reiatsu effected the sharpness of his blade then he would just cut Wing Gundam or Zero down to pieces.

[Lmon]

cool

[Lmon]

ouh its not working

[Outlawz]

He can make him commit suicide. i mean Aizen can make anyone do anything with his Shikai of his zanpaktou. also we shouldnt really do threads about people who havent fully revealed their fully power like Aizen hasnt even revealed his Bankai.
I mean you dont have to kill someone to defeat them. you just need to make them as good as dead. For Example: Cutting off all limbs and burying them far apart from each other.

That would be fine and dandy if you weren't facing an opponent that can regenerate. Aizen can cut him, but I doubt an normal un-purified blade like that will kill him.

[Alerane]

Oh, does your computer have flashplayer? That may be it

[Chikiru]

i love both i refuse to decide this is unfair but w'ever ^-^ tee hee

[Chikiru]

they would kill each other its equal i guess ;/ haaaaa haaaah hahahahah oops excuse me i um...yeah ...teehee?

[Chikiru]

ohh shiioooot i wish this battle was for real i would love it awesome YEAHHH oh um srry

[Starlight]

no. Ichigo wins this one. Even if the Tessaiga was allowed to work against a being that is not a demon Ichigo is faster, stronger, and has more will power. And that's just with bankai. The mask ends it all.

[Outlawz]

Luffy would most likely win, Naruto doesn't stand a chance.

[Chikiru]

chad chad chad tee hee chad would win always all the time [=^.^= buy kitty no legs meow me-WOW buy 2 for you and your friend] i aint telling where to buy them im srry i type spazzy things plese dont be offended

[Chikiru]

agito i love him hes awesome

[Jay3205]

Naruto with the full power of 9-T Kyuubi would completely own Ichigo. He would have superior healing and a natural chakra armor that is harder than diamond. (Normal) Kyuubi can level mountains with each of its tails. Vaizard Ichigo has not shown near that amount of strength, even using getsuga tenshou. Shirosaki has yet to be wounded, but he also hasn't faced any espada; a large part of his 'victories' consist of him launching a surprise attack. The only chance Ichigo would have is to run around and wait till the Kyuubi chakra kills off Naruto naturally.

[FullMetal Rebel]

This thread is soooooooooo old!

Anyway It is hard to choose here. Vergil can keep up with Ulquiorra, but Vergil has the reflex advantage for sure. vergil would take the cake in a straight up sword fight with Yamato being a KO weapon if it hits in the right place. Ulquiorra could get the upper hand if he released.

Until I see Ulquiorra's release, I'll have to go with Vergil.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Old ass thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway Kyuubi would destroy Ogichi.

[Tobi]

Hahah, that's funny xD

"I am a super star in a big big house and a big big car" xD!!!

[Tobi]

Anyway Kyuubi would destroy Ogichi.

Please post why.

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I would have to say Kyuubi, if Naruto were to go full nine-tails he would grow to the size of the real Kyuubi which is what, 100x bigger than Hollow Ichigo, Naruto nine-tails will gain every power the full Kyuubi has including any special attacks we obviously don't know about, Hollow Ichigo's strongest attack so far is the Getsuga Tenshou which I doubt will scratch Kyuubi.

Given the fact that Hollow Ichigo is faster than Kyuubi he will eventually get worn out and begin to slow down, one hit of the Kyuubi's attacks will damage him badly, a few more and he will be unable to fight any longer.

[Icestorm]

One problem being with the 9 tailed kyuubi naruto is the strain that naruto's body would be under at just holding that form.. when he had 4 tails out his body was being ripped apart by the kyuubi's chakra.. if naruto dies.. does the kyuubi?

But in my opinion hollow ichigo would just beat 9 tailed.

[teilwal]

L is probably one of the most unique characters I've seen.
I love the fact that he doesn't ever blink. Watch the entire series, he never blinks once.

He's intelligent, quite a good fighter, funny, unique. Everything about him is awesome! Even the fact that he doesn't change clothes! XD

But I don't like Light/Kira....

i think read somewhere..umm i think it was in the how to read 13..that the artist purposely never had L's eyes close while he was alive so when L actually died he made it a point to show him with his eyes closed..just thought it was interesting..

anyways..i really like light too because hes so brilliant but...in the end L pawns all! i wonder though.......a lot of people love L and would probably mob him if he was real(i would kidnap him and keep him all to myself in my basement..dont worry ill give him all the sweets he wants..heehee..*rubs hands*) but in real life people tend to shun the weirdos like people with autism which L shows signs of having..

[reaverofsouls05]

Ryuk is the best noone can beat Ryuk he is just hands down the best i mean L comes close but not quite

[Jay3205]

Hmm, let's see...

Vergil- blocked by normal girl weilding a normal gun; can be given minor injuries by normal weaponry (handguns); stamina declines heavily within 20 minutes to 1 hour of fighting; can use "normal" shunpo; transformation upgrades strength from 20%-100% (not exactly sure)

Ulquiorra- unreleased form is at least 2-3x stronger than Zaraki, who can chop down buildings effortlessly; faster than Ichigo, who can slash thousands of times in a few moments and leave multiple afterimages; can not be injured by getsuga tenshou (equivalent of small bomb or missile); transformation likely gives a power upgrade of 500%-1000%

Ulquiorra owns Vergil in every category. He'll take this victory.

[Silhouette]

I'm not going to read that mess, but Xigbar doesn't fire bullets, he fires energy. You should know that.

Org XIII > Gotei 13. NOW STOP REVIVING THESE OLD THREADS! Seriously, enough with this.

BTW: Sephiroth is weaker than the Org XIII. Play KH2FM, and you'll see that.

[James Cizuz]

Ichigo, obvious reasons you should know.

[James Cizuz]

Are.... You.... Serious? Last time I checked Sephiroth was defeated by a man moving at only a bit higher then human speed. Not a fan boy but, goku can move near the speed of light, this match wouldn't last a second.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Your Really underestimating the Captains.
yea, i just found out they can use shunpo. Besides guns cant hurt shinigami if you watched the Sealed Sword OVA you would know that. + if it was pre-aizen Gotei 13 they would instantly pwned by Tosen and espically Aizen and dont underestimate the 13 Court Guard squads they arent push overs they are as fast as the Organzation with the exception of Byakuya who is a master of shunpo. + They have Kenpachi he has no special powers but was able to beat a guy with a Cheap Bankai (elimnates 4 of 5 senses) and a fox guy that can use a gigantic sword to crush you and he beat them both! i dunno about Ukitake and Shunsui they would probably be in a draw though Shunsui can deflect a building crushing blast with his fingertip. SoiFong has that two-hit kill move so if she hits you twice it dosent matter who or what you are, you die. the organization is tough they can probably beat all the lieutenants one at a time except Renji who is near-captain level. But man Sephiroth is the hardest Boss in KH2 which means hes harder than Xenmas but Kenpachi can fight at the same level of Sephiroth in terms of swordsmanship. Wow this is a long post

For the love of god space that, didn't even bother to read it, paragraphs are your friend.

Org XIII > Gotei 13. NOW STOP REVIVING THESE OLD THREADS! Seriously, enough with this.

Didn't we have this problem before with a nub named "Vaizard". He is banned now anyway. +L needs to state in the rules to NOT REVIVE OLD THREADS!!

[Kitsune_Ghost]

Well, I would test it to see if it worked, then I would probably keep it in a safe place incase I needed it in the future. But I would never use it on a regular basis, or to kill anyone, cause there really is not anyone I hate enough....well, maybe Bush.

[FullMetal Rebel]

I would use it yessssssssss

Life would be sooooo good with one.

[L]

Just to note, I don't really mind bumping old topics in this forum (well, depends on the post-bump content). I dislike duplicate threads unless the previous thread was bashed to hell and back.

[KholdStare]

I think the answer to this is pretty obvious with the release of recent chapters. At the moment, Naruto doesn't stand a chance.

[crs010]

I wouldn't take it because I believe that it's is only up to God to judge one's death and not us

[Silhouette]

I hate necrobumpage.

L, these threads that this guys is bumping, they're from LAST YEAR. Its annoying to debaters to see threads they've debated to hell and back return with someone posting two irrelevant lines.

Let's say you fight hard to prove that Zaraki could indeed defeat Sephiroth, then all of a sudden some newb comes by looking for free post counts, and without even reading the past posts, reply,

"Sephroth pwn! Zrki is gayzor! LOLOLOLOL!!!111one!!!twothree!!!!1"

^ I hate that SO much. He is just reviving all of these old threads that have no need to be revived. He isn't even bringing up good points in them.

All I ask is that he friggin reads before saying what was already shot down.

[ichi-ichi-tactic]

Tobi will waste Naruto faster then Naruto got caught in genjutsu by Itachi.

[Juujika]

Awesome chapter =O I'm itching to see how will Luffy and his crew fight Oz. Can't wait till ep 325, Ace vs blackbeard is in the preview

[Tobi]

Ichigo, obvious reasons you should know.

So in other words, you don't know?

But in my opinion hollow ichigo would just beat 9 tailed.

Again, reasons would make everyones argument a lot easier.

[Tsuki Garyuu]

You left out Vergil's Devil trigger. Or better yet, him as Neo Angelo!:lol

[James Cizuz]

So in other words, you don't know?
Again, reasons would make everyones argument a lot easier.
Sigh, I am not going to make a argument for a retarded obvious question.

Naruto = Normal human(which means he can not even touch Ichigo, but lets forget that) hes a skilled ninja not much faster then the fastest humans. He can jump fast, and has a large amount of chakra. However the Kyuubi is just a large mass of chakra, from what we know it has power and speed but not even reaching sound speed, and the large mass of chakra is comparable to a menos grande gillian in power, not speed or strength. Taking into consideration the Kyuubi is smarter and faster, doesn't mean much. A low powered non-shikai Ichigo inflicts a menos enough to run. We know the power boost to shikai was humogous, and he can easily take a menos(right after urahara training) then take into consideration when he learns to fire the beam whenever he wants, and his speed is increased towards sound speed. Then he learns flash step, which is so fast the eye can barely track the movements, then the fact that when he goes bankai his speed goes up 10 fold, and his new techniques are up. With just shikai he wouldn't have trouble, bankai is just overkill, using hollow form would be a insult.

[Kuroudo]

Are.... You.... Serious? Last time I checked Sephiroth was defeated by a man moving at only a bit higher then human speed. Not a fan boy but, goku can move near the speed of light, this match wouldn't last a second.

He was Advent Children Sephiroth he didnt do any magic just sword fighting im talking about FF7 Sephiroth who can transform and stuff

[Kuroudo]

Light might win...just because all he has to do is know Ichigos name and his face and write the name in the book. He doesn't actually have to face him in combat. If so, maybe Ryuk can slow him down a bit.
As for Ririn...would she even be affected by the Death Note? *ponders*
Note: This is my experience of only watching a few episodes of Death Note, so I'm not sure if things change with Ryuk and Light later on.

Um Ichigos shinigami side is basiclly already dead so you cant kill him with that book if its meant to kill humans like dat. Does Light have any other powers?

[Kuroudo]

In racoon city two enemies 1 gun store you choose.
Rules
Flood and Zombies cant infect each other.

#1 Flood combine their immunesystem with the host making it immune to all diseases including the T-Virus and G-Virus
#2 Since the Zombies lost all intellect, the flood sees them as non-sentient.

Las Plagas from RE4 are in this as well as Nemesis and Tyrant
2 Juggernaut forms are on the side of the Flood
4 shotguns are in the gun store flood can use them.

[Tobi]

Sigh, I am not going to make a argument for a retarded obvious question.
Naruto = Normal human(which means he can not even touch Ichigo, but lets forget that) hes a skilled ninja not much faster then the fastest humans. He can jump fast, and has a large amount of chakra. However the Kyuubi is just a large mass of chakra, from what we know it has power and speed but not even reaching sound speed, and the large mass of chakra is comparable to a menos grande gillian in power, not speed or strength. Taking into consideration the Kyuubi is smarter and faster, doesn't mean much. A low powered non-shikai Ichigo inflicts a menos enough to run. We know the power boost to shikai was humogous, and he can easily take a menos(right after urahara training) then take into consideration when he learns to fire the beam whenever he wants, and his speed is increased towards sound speed. Then he learns flash step, which is so fast the eye can barely track the movements, then the fact that when he goes bankai his speed goes up 10 fold, and his new techniques are up. With just shikai he wouldn't have trouble, bankai is just overkill, using hollow form would be a insult.

Naruto with the full power of 9-T Kyuubi would completely own Ichigo. He would have superior healing and a natural chakra armor that is harder than diamond. (Normal) Kyuubi can level mountains with each of its tails. Vaizard Ichigo has not shown near that amount of strength, even using getsuga tenshou. Shirosaki has yet to be wounded, but he also hasn't faced any espada; a large part of his 'victories' consist of him launching a surprise attack. The only chance Ichigo would have is to run around and wait till the Kyuubi chakra kills off Naruto naturally.

I think that would completely over-throw your reason. Getsuga Tenshou is the powerfullest attack we've seen Hollow Ichigo do, I suggest you read Jay3205's reason.

[Jay3205]

^^Actually, I didn't. If memory serves, Vergil's "transformation" gives him roughly a 20%-100% upgrade. If you DT with him, he gets stronger but not dramatically so... it is not on the level of the 5-10x increase of bankai. Nelo Angelo is significantly slower. Aside from teleportation, his speed is like Zaraki without the ability of shunpo.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zZYfb6m7z9s

That's a video of Nelo Angelo. As you can see from his life bar, normal rocket launchers hurt him, and he is very slow except for a few moments when he dashes for an attack. That is hardly on the level of anything bankai Ichigo does, let alone Ulquiorra.

[Jay3205]

However the Kyuubi is just a large mass of chakra, from what we know it has power and speed but not even reaching sound speed, and the large mass of chakra is comparable to a menos grande gillian in power, not speed or strength.Where do you base the assumption that Kyuubi is comparable to a menos in power. I've yet to see any solid means of comparison, and I've yet to see an Espada or Aizen level a mountain using 1/9 of his power.

Also, I've never seen any shinigami move even 100 km/h without shunpo, so I don't know how Ichigo before knowing shunpo is at the speed of sound. Vaizard Ichigo's only new technique is possibly cero and just a rehashed getsuga tenshou.

[Mikado]

I would take it, and then forget about it. I wouldn't be able to sleep with a death god next to me ..:S

[Juujika]

I kind of have the feeling Black beard is either gonna become a shicibukai or hes gonna kill off alot of the marines Logia based users like the three admirals and smoker then he'll face white beard. Luffy will have to fight black beard down the line for shanks i think.

[Kuroudo]

I hate necrobumpage.
L, these threads that this guys is bumping, they're from LAST YEAR. Its annoying to debaters to see threads they've debated to hell and back return with someone posting two irrelevant lines.
Let's say you fight hard to prove that Zaraki could indeed defeat Sephiroth, then all of a sudden some newb comes by looking for free post counts, and without even reading the past posts, reply,
"Sephroth pwn! Zrki is gayzor! LOLOLOLOL!!!111one!!!twothree!!!!1"
^ I hate that SO much. He is just reviving all of these old threads that have no need to be revived. He isn't even bringing up good points in them.
All I ask is that he friggin reads before saying what was already shot down.

Hey i realized you necrobumpage is like your most used word in forums. anyways most of us are too lazy to search of this thread was created already -_- but yea someone would say "Sephroth pwn! Zrki is gayzor! LOLOLOLOL!!!111one!!!twothree!!!!1" if they were a newb you are right.

[Kuroudo]

Luffy would most likely win, Naruto doesn't stand a chance.

Why? Also Naruto even though hes a annoying character his Shuriken Rasengan is uber strong as well as his 4-tailed form is pwnage. Ichigo in bankai is the shiz Luffy cant hit him if he extends his arm to block ichigo from running heill just cut if off!

[Kuroudo]

That would be fine and dandy if you weren't facing an opponent that can regenerate. Aizen can cut him, but I doubt an normal un-purified blade like that will kill him.

Thats why i said he can make him commit suicide. Can he drown? because just making the enemy see the blade once is enough to intiate Kyokya Suigetsu

[Neko Bam]

I wouldn't take it because I believe that it's is only up to God to judge one's death and not us

It's actually the same for me, and power also corrupts. If politicians get corrupt, then how corrupting would the power to judge over life or death work?

[Jay3205]

I think Ichigo would win. Ichigo is too fast for either of the other two to hit him, and I believe Luffy is vulnerable to blades and explosives (getsuga tenshou). Naruto wouldn't be a threat without at least 3-4 tails, and I doubt he'd live long enough to gain that many tails.

[Kuroudo]

I'm inclined to say Hao will win. Hao's Spirit of Fire alone has power that's extremely far above gillian menos grande. If I had to estimate, I'd put it at least around Grimmjaw's power. Adding the Great Spirit on top of that would be too much for Ulquiorra to handle.

Uliquora is like 30x stronger than Grimmjow theres a big difrence from 6th and 4th espada +Uliquora is a vasto lord! He is also able to beat the crap outa Ichigo.

[Kuroudo]

Ulquiorra would pwn basicly everyone in FMA even homonculus who can regenerate one cero-one too much science infulenced world-then there are none.....

[Kuroudo]

Cloud FTW or as I heard someone in german call him Karaude

[Kuroudo]

Both Master of Illusions...
Itachi doesn't need eye contact for Mangekyou Sharingan to work, If you've read the manga, you'll understand. I'm going with Itachi (strange, huh?) Itachi has a large range of attacks, Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Dojutsu, etc. Itachi's speed is also insanely fast, so...
As for Aizen, he has Kido, his zanpaktou's Shikai and Bankai, Shunpo and that's about it, I think. In terms of speed, Aizen might be faster, but in terms of the variety of techniques, I'm going with Itachi.
So ... Uchiha Itachi.

The problem is Itachi gets tired using his Illusion move however Aizen can make it last for weeks and dosent get tired at all. However i dont think Aizen needs Kyokya Suigetsu to defeat Itachi, One Shunpo Sword Slash or a Black Coffin spell will kill him. (1/3 Knocked Sajin unconcious full power could kill someone)

[Kuroudo]

I haven't really seen Aizen in action, but I think Itachi will win, because Aizen's hypnotism depends on his zanpakuto, while Itachi, just depends on his eyes.

And what about his Zanpakuto? it barely uses Aizens Reiatsu while Itachis takes soooo much chakra.

Oh and sorry about double post to those who are underestimating Aizen or think Itachi will win please watch these videos.

Aizen vs Renji & Ichigo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCVzlGsZP4

Bleach: Epic Battles: Aizen vs Hitsugaya (well, not SO epic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPni-qpKw00&mode=related&search=

[Outlawz]

Why? Also Naruto even though hes a annoying character his Shuriken Rasengan is uber strong as well as his 4-tailed form is pwnage. Ichigo in bankai is the shiz Luffy cant hit him if he extends his arm to block ichigo from running heill just cut if off!
Jet Gatling gun could take care of Naruto. And with jet Gatling gun, Luffy doesn't have to physically touch Ichigo.

[Esca]

Don't double post and stop reviving old-ass topics.

[Outlawz]

Thats why i said he can make him commit suicide. Can he drown? because just making the enemy see the blade once is enough to intiate Kyokya Suigetsu

You terribly underestimate Alucard, like it would just be that easy.

[Spike Kuchki]

Hey Aizen is clever I mean he caused a lot of chaos in the soul society. So he can defeat Alucard in a flash.

[Alex26]

I would use it for personal purposes >:x

[Kari]

I would use it too. I'm not sure if I would use it as wisely as Light though.

[Lelouch]

Aizen unseathes --> Aizen Shounpos --> Aizen kills Itachi. --> Die itachi-fans..

[Lmon]

Aizen

[Kuroudo]

Ichigo would have trouble aganist her but if he was near death Shirosaki comes out and pwns her. If not He would go vaizard multiplying his power and speed by 8. Getsuga Tenshou in vaizard form was able to severly injure Grimmjow

Is Teresa the main char? if not then she should go up aganist the strongest guy in bleach......Aizen Sosuke

[Kuroudo]

You terribly underestimate Alucard, like it would just be that easy.

I havent watched Hellsing..but all i know is that hes immortal and from the fans it seems to me hes the most powerful character in the show lke Aizen in Bleach. but still there is no way to escape Kyoka Suigetsu at least so far.

[Kuroudo]

Jet Gatling gun could take care of Naruto. And with jet Gatling gun, Luffy doesn't have to physically touch Ichigo.

If it shoots bullets theres a problem Shinigami cant be hit by bullets as revealed in Sealed Sword Frenzy when Renji had a shotgun and shot the bad guy 3 times having no effect.

[Outlawz]

I havent watched Hellsing..but all i know is that hes immortal and from the fans it seems to me hes the most powerful character in the show lke Aizen in Bleach. but still there is no way to escape Kyoka Suigetsu at least so far.

You should probably stop right there.

[Outlawz]

If it shoots bullets theres a problem Shinigami cant be hit by bullets as revealed in Sealed Sword Frenzy when Renji had a shotgun and shot the bad guy 3 times having no effect.
Have you even read OP?

[Kuroudo]

You should probably stop right there.

I dont have as much free time as i did in the summer school brings allot of stuff upon me. Might be able to finish the series by my birthday in novemember how many episodes?

[Kuroudo]

Chirpotians can regenerate any part of their body i was watching it one day when this guy shot one in the head with a revolver blew 75% of its head off it came back and regenerated its whole head in 5 second and i was like HOLY #$#@!!!!!!! so yea chirptians and chevaliers in my favor.

[Kuroudo]

Damn hardest choice of my time in this forum both are my favorite characters i cant choose which one really. but Ichigo would win.

[Outlawz]

I dont have as much free time as i did in the summer school brings allot of stuff upon me. Might be able to finish the series by my birthday in novemember how many episodes?

Can't remember exactly, but I know it's under 20. Watch the OVA's and read the manga.

[Silhouette]

Aizen? Strongest? LAWLZ!

Anyway, I was trying to avoid this thread, but it was dug up, so what the hell, eh?

The main difference between the Shinigami and Claymore, is that the Claymore don't have supernatural defenses.

Yeah, Defense types can regenerate limbs and such, but they're dead if sliced in half or decapitated. Raki cutting Ophelia (the 4th strongest Claymore at the time) shows that even weak, insignificant humans can harm Claymores.

With Shinigami, their reiatsu is like a natural shield. Thus they can withstand far more punishment when fighting weaker foes.

With that out there, Teresa would surely lose. Ichigo can most likely slice through buildings at this point. If Claymore can be cut by weakling little boys with a sword, then someone that can slice a building down will surely kill them in a few blows.


That doesn't satisfy you? How about this:

Saw what happened to her with Priscilla? Same thing would happen here should she actually put Ichigo against the ropes.

Teresa moves in the for kill, then all of a sudden, a white mask forms on his face, Ichigo vanishes, and Teresa falls in a pool of her own blood. She can obviously be caught off guard.

Though she's the better swordsperson by far, she isn't used to fighting people as fast as Ichigo, whereas Ichigo is constantly fighting opponents with at least his level of speed (if not higher).

Not to mention the fact that Ichigo likes to DBZ-play it.

Ichigo: ZOMG! You're stronger! Good thing I get stronger every time I fight! 10th Release!

[James Cizuz]

Teresa can not touch Ichigo(being of mortal world) but negating that they also said, Irene did that her flash sword was greater then Teresa's, and that she was only strong because of what she can sense.

As we see, Ichigo full force attack against kenpachi at the couldn't even cut him, now after Ichigo gaining control, bankai, and much more speed, he would basically be un-cutable to Teresa(other then the fact her sword would go right through him like a ghost).

[James Cizuz]

I dont have as much free time as i did in the summer school brings allot of stuff upon me. Might be able to finish the series by my birthday in novemember how many episodes?
Don't watch the anime at all. Alucard can be killed, by only humans, not monsters. The anime only goes till episode 6(volume 2 of manga) then goes off on own story for 7 episodes. It's a bad story, unless it's manga. In manga Alucard is not fast at all, he does have some weird tricks, and absorbs whoever he kills and gains their power. He does have an entire army at his disposal, as well he is near-immortal. Basically it works like, he can regenerate his body as long as he has power, and his power + the literally millions he absorbed give him unbelievable power. However he is slow, can be tricked, and can only be killed by a human. Humans, normal humans can kill him. Aizen is as we know at the least 2x stronger then a normal captain, take into consideration he is probably much more stronger. He has incredible speed, as well as a cheap ass shikai, and probably a cheaper ass bankai. Alucard would end up losing in a land slide, he is a favorite character of mine. One of them anyway.

[Iro]

I would use it because im soooo evil! bwaahahahahahahahaha!

[yespossible]

Just found out that there were extra cut scenes and wanted to share with DNF, my bad if people already saw it... ( Its not fan-made)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcqef5-r-LQ&mode=related&search=

[James Cizuz]

Where do you base the assumption that Kyuubi is comparable to a menos in power. I've yet to see any solid means of comparison, and I've yet to see an Espada or Aizen level a mountain using 1/9 of his power.
Also, I've never seen any shinigami move even 100 km/h without shunpo, so I don't know how Ichigo before knowing shunpo is at the speed of sound. Vaizard Ichigo's only new technique is possibly cero and just a rehashed getsuga tenshou.
Where does he level a mountain? Seriously, where. I know what your talking about, and it's a small hill. I've read both manga up till now, and for your information, most vice captain and up shingamis move at the speed of sound. Oh, and what we seen of the kyuubi throw the telling of legends only compares him to a menos. As for naruto with 4 tails he doesn't show much.

Now lets get onto speed. What you need to remember about bleach is, wait for it.... ALL FIGHTS ARE SLOWED DOWN TO SHOW THE FIGHT. Take for instance in the anime, the 11 second fight with grimmjow takes around 4 miniutes(actual shown) for his mask to break. In that 11 seconds he moves a awful far distance, and as we see moves a lot. What happened in the 4 miniutes was really what happened in 11 seconds. The whole fight lasted around 40 seconds including the other guy showing up to help ichigo. Shunpu is the ability of flash step, or moving so fast the human eye can not track the movement. If your wondering, a normal human eye can not track the movement at around Mach 3. So we know when ichigo uses shunpu(which he shows he is faster then most who use it) he has no limit to how long or how many times he can use it. This is in the byaukia fight. Now take into consideration he split a giant mountain himself apart with shikai(at byaukia fight to). In manga he just defeated grimmjow, keeping the mask for over 11 seconds, breaking all barriers on his speed, power, and can use getsu tensho limitlessly. Even at shikai his feats are amazing. Kyuubi is not, we seen and heard tales of it throw the manga, and it's not impressive. It is impressive for the set for naruto, but not for bleach. Also we know that naruto does not has all the kyuubi sealed inside him, only the yang while the ying was taken and destroyed by the forth. So yeah.

[yespossible]

hmmm, a scene from episode 38 sp? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRH3hiqYqmg

[Outlawz]

Don't watch the anime at all. Alucard can be killed, by only humans, not monsters. The anime only goes till episode 6(volume 2 of manga) then goes off on own story for 7 episodes. It's a bad story, unless it's manga. In manga Alucard is not fast at all, he does have some weird tricks, and absorbs whoever he kills and gains their power. He does have an entire army at his disposal, as well he is near-immortal. Basically it works like, he can regenerate his body as long as he has power, and his power + the literally millions he absorbed give him unbelievable power. However he is slow, can be tricked, and can only be killed by a human. Humans, normal humans can kill him. Aizen is as we know at the least 2x stronger then a normal captain, take into consideration he is probably much more stronger. He has incredible speed, as well as a cheap ass shikai, and probably a cheaper ass bankai. Alucard would end up losing in a land slide, he is a favorite character of mine. One of them anyway.

Aizen obviously isn't human. And the anime isn't that bad, the manga is superior for sure, but the tv series wasn't that horrible. Not to mention the OVA's are pure win.

[Outlawz]

why should they fight he's going to become one of the nakama :P
No, he wont. Why the hell would Aokiji join the SH's?

[MezzoDragon]

Ace has a better chance at defeating Aokiji than Luffy. First, Ace has the elemental advantage. Second, Luffy has never defeated Ace in a fight.

[Silhouette]

Wrong and wrong. Shinigami can be seen and touched, as says the rules. He can also be cut, as the rules say as well.

I was just stating the fact that Claymore are capable of being wounded by weaklings, so someone as powerful as Ichigo would kill her in a few hits (since he most likely won't go for a one-hit kill shot unless Ogichi mind rapes him).

[cyberfields]

well considering your baisised post before mine... neo got his blinded yet he still managed to nagivate a ship and climb out alive and face a machine main frame without falling to his death... i believe if neo was stabbed he would heal... he would make it so... or he would take ichigo with him...

JUDO CHOP!!!!!!!!!!

[cyberfields]

i think it would end in a stalemate.... both would run out of energy... chad would run out of spiritual energy and the alter power would eventually fail...

[Esca]

I'd have to say Kazuma, it's over once he goes final form. Reasons are the same as Kyouka.

[Jay3205]

Where does he level a mountain? Seriously, where. I know what your talking about, and it's a small hill. I've read both manga up till now, and for your information, most vice captain and up shingamis move at the speed of sound. Oh, and what we seen of the kyuubi throw the telling of legends only compares him to a menos. As for naruto with 4 tails he doesn't show much.He doesn't need to level a mountain. We know his strength is enough to level mountains and cause tsunamis. I don't know why you compare him to a menos, as all menos do is walk around and shoot ceros. When you say "compared to a menos", exactly what are you comparing? Descriptions of Kyuubi's strength put him far above anything a Bleach character has done. And where do you get that vice captains move at the speed of sound? Aside from shunpo, their natural speed seems to be slower than no-weights Lee.

Now lets get onto speed. What you need to remember about bleach is, wait for it.... ALL FIGHTS ARE SLOWED DOWN TO SHOW THE FIGHT. Take for instance in the anime, the 11 second fight with grimmjow takes around 4 miniutes(actual shown) for his mask to break. In that 11 seconds he moves a awful far distance, and as we see moves a lot. What happened in the 4 miniutes was really what happened in 11 seconds. The whole fight lasted around 40 seconds including the other guy showing up to help ichigo. Point being? The anime is extended to 4 minutes b/c they have a time slot to fill up. The manga represents it more accurately, and there is no hint of them being in any sort of constant mach speed fight. Also, not ALL FIGHTS ARE SLOWED DOWN TO SHOW THE FIGHT. That's just an assumption based on filler animation.

There are clearly times when characters are using shunpo and times when they aren't. It can easily be known based on the time it takes smoke to clear and the time it takes for them to move away that they are not always in mach speed.

Even at shikai his feats are amazing. Kyuubi is not, we seen and heard tales of it throw the manga, and it's not impressive. It is impressive for the set for naruto, but not for bleach. Also we know that naruto does not has all the kyuubi sealed inside him, only the yang while the ying was taken and destroyed by the forth. So yeah.What "amazing" shikai feats does he have? Getsuga tenshou is not nearly enough to level a mountain. Vaizard Ichigo's getsuga tenshou is not nearly enough to level a mountain, and that is his most powerful attack. Given that normal ice attacks from a weak character are shown to be able to hurt an espada, I severely doubt Ulquiorra has a stronger defense than diamond. You've said Ichigo is amazing while Kyuubi is not, but so far the actual feats show that Kyuubi is stronger and has better defense than Ichigo by quite a margin. Being able to run around really fast means nothing if Ichigo can't scratch his opponent. With Kyuubi's large size, it'll only be a matter of time before Ichigo is swatted down like a fly.

[cyberfields]

ichigo... yet again the spiritual pressure would come into play... all movements would slow down... leaving naruto to do jitsu very slow and would allow ichigo time to kill... then luffy would be a sitting duck...

[FullMetal Rebel]

For gods sake this section needs a fucking mod. All these old ass threads from the sands of time being bumped!

FMR is the unofficial enforcer of this place!!

Just look at the fricken post dates on the post! This thread was made in March!!


Judging from the post this thread got personal. That is what happens when Cloud and Sepphy are threatened. People need to get over these guys, They are a FRICKEN DECADE OLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Here we are a whole DECADE,and people still think these guys are the best thing to happen to gaming.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Ulquiorra- unreleased form is at least 2-3x stronger than Zaraki

Make that 10000000000x

Zaraki, who can chop down buildings effortlessly;

Dear God, Dante and Vergil have proven time and time again that pure raw strength don't mean a damn thing. Look at what happened to Beowulf.

faster than Ichigo, who can slash thousands of times in a few moments and leave multiple afterimages;


I know Ichigo can slash that fast, but show me a scan of him leaving afterimages. If it is anime it ain't even valid. Even if Ichigo or Ulquiorra is that fast, it don't even matter. Vergil caught bullets on his O-Katana,Yamato that is light years faster than them both. He would see Ulquiorra coming.

can not be injured by getsuga tenshou (equivalent of small bomb or missile)

Proof?
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The two are pretty even at the moment.

[FullMetal Rebel]

and there is evidence he has at least shunpo.

What? Where? This has been discussed to death in the bleach manga section, and in the end we concluded that Zaraki CAN'T shunpo.

On strength, his strength his far below what it takes to win. Dante in raw strength is weaker than Beowulf, a character that can make craters in the ground with punches.

Dante has his gauntlets:)

He gets smacked around by low-level weaklings and can be injured by normal weaponry.

I wouldn't call the first scene in DMC3 being injured by normal weapons. On the other hand we have Zaraki who dropped dead from a noob shinigami.

Since VC level zanpakutou can't scratch Zaraki, nearly no conventional long range weapons would hurt him besides the tank gun and grenade/missile launcher, which can't be fired quickly or while moving.

Dante has plenty of long range weapons that can hurt Zaraki. Range is Zaraki's undoing, Zaraki won't survive a shot to the head.

Zaraki is far too strong for Dante to handle

Zaraki's lil rusty zanpaktou against Dante's dozen's of weapons, don't think so. He would dance circles around him with Agni and Rudra. Sparda Sword is game over.

[SLVR]

bout time they put up something new. Inuyasha is so ghey.

[Kurita77]

Its obvious that Kazuma would win. He wouldnt even have to go stage 3 all he would have to do is go stage 2 and hit him with a shell bullet burst and its over. Chad would have a chance if it was stage 1 Kazuma but would still lose.

[Dr. Walker]

Hmmm...

Kazuma; he's more or less a wild animal in battle, and he's faster. Plus, his second form gives him something of an aerial advantage, which already pins down poor Chad.

[Dr. Walker]

:<

Alucard was drawn to be practically indestructible. His power also more or less knows no limits, where as Aizen's power is plagued by the fact that he reached his limits.

I think its obvious who wins: Aizen. :3 He's got the hairgel.

[Dr. Walker]

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[Tobi]

Hmm, since I've only played DM1 (And that was a few years ago) I'd say Dante would easily win this, Zaraki is raw power but Dante has loads of things that Zaraki lacks, Devil Trigger which is basically Ichigo's bankai, 2 hand guns, strength gauntlets, elemental attacks, loads of sword play techniques, Dante is probably faster than Zaraki.

[Undying]

Zaraki is far too strong for Dante to handle, and there is evidence he has at least shunpo. Since VC level zanpakutou can't scratch Zaraki, nearly no conventional long range weapons would hurt him besides the tank gun and grenade/missile launcher, which can't be fired quickly or while moving.
Gunstinger + loaded shot (demonic energy) would hurt Zaraki, I should think. Artemis should also have enough energy in it to hurt Zaraki (hey, it hurt Beowulf!).
On speed, Dante may be able to keep up, assuming his shunpo can be used like a captain.
Agreed.
On strength, his strength his far below what it takes to win. Dante in raw strength is weaker than Beowulf, a character that can make craters in the ground with punches.
And after taking that punch head on, he was barely hurt :whatevah:
He gets smacked around by low-level weaklings and can be injured by normal weaponry.
Royalguard - Ultimate. Zaraki will try to hit him and instead heal him.
Zaraki is leagues above Jidanbou, a character who can tear up large areas of stone with relatively little effort.
Ichigo hasn't shown to be able to life huge masses of stone, either. But Ichigo took out Jidanbou with relative ease, before hew as even vice-captain level. I'm sure Dante is around vice-captain power at least, considering he did beat Vergil, who easily sliced Beowulf apart (Beowulf I think is much of an equal to Jidanbou, except he's also got the special light-based attacks).

[JJAB91]

Is it just me or does this just seem like one big Dante worship thread? Seems like a flame war waiting to happen.

[Undying]

Is it just me or does this just seem like one big Dante worship thread? Seems like a flame war waiting to happen.
How about rather than attempting to spur the flame war and spamming, you'd give reasons as to why you think this is just "Dante worshiping" and Zaraki would win?

[Tsuki Garyuu]

here we go again....

[Undying]

Ulqiorra will take Vergil apart =\. While Vergil is indeed very powerful, I doubt his Yamato can even pierce through Ierro, even if Ulqiorra was standing there and not doing anything.

Als,

He blocked a Vaizard-mode Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou that practically obliterated a tower from Las Noches, and wasn't even slightly hurt or phased.

Also, Vergil doesn't have any weapons aside from Yamato - and that sword is certainly not enough to slice through Ulqiorra.

And to Ulqiorra's weapon arsenal, we can add Cero, Gran Rey Cero, Bala, release 9with currently unknown effects)
I know Ichigo can slash that fast, but show me a scan of him leaving afterimages. If it is anime it ain't even valid. Even if Ichigo or Ulquiorra is that fast, it don't even matter. Vergil caught bullets on his O-Katana,Yamato that is light years faster than them both. He would see Ulquiorra coming.
Oooh, he caught bullets with Yamato. Certainly an impressive feat... but both Ulqiorra and Ichigo are WAY FASTER than mere bullets, even those fired from Ebony&Ivory.

As for Ichigo "leaving afterimages"...

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/163/13/

I think it's pretty clear. Even during gameplay, I haven't seen Vergil perform anything near as impressive. Sure his DarkSlayer style is very impressive, but it's not nearly enough to keep up with Ulqiorra. In terms of power, Ulqiorra is far above Vergil.

And Ulqiorra has far more techniques than Vergil. No, this isn't Zaraki. Zaraki has nothing beside swordplay an