Prince of Tennis

[EndlessSky]

I defiantly have to save Gungrave, it has some nice action and a interesting story and relationships. I think you would get more for your buck by buying Gungrave.

[skyoon]

Out of the two, gungrave was less crappy ;p

[Cleric]

It's a One Piece revival . . . I haven't seen One Piece spoilers here in ages . . . thanks Shinji ^_^ V,,

[Kurita77]

L: Light i finally figured out theres 0% chance you are Kira
Light: Damn now i feel bad for writing your name down.
L: What?
Light wait 15 seconds you'll see

[Kimochi]

L: I HATE SWEET STUFF?!!?
Light: WHAT?! i bought you all this..-.-
Ryuk: I HATE APPLES!!
Light: WATEVER!!

[Kimochi]

the author's is L ..
they do things the same.. so it's actually like him..

[Kimochi]

he's calm, boring, talks too much, his face is obviously evil..
he's individualistic in a way. always wants things his way..

[silverwolf801]

well i wouldn't be one of those people I would just grind my teeth and hand it back to the shinigami and turn around and start walking. There will be no holding on too it for me, the faster you get rid of it then less temptation for you.

[Hasianku]

Yes, if i still can go to heaven haha...just kidding...

My answer is "no". I don't want another people taking my life without giving me a chance to change, so i will not do the same thing to others too. THOUGH...i won't refuse an offer to become a death note user's gf plus advisor

[Sushi]

I would use it if my soul would not have to be sacrificed.
I care to much about myself to selflessly kill a bunch of people, even if they are bad.
My goal would not be to become God, but rather to just clean up the mess, so to speak.

[Greggle]

Claymore, Gutt's speed is limited to more human levels from what I've seen.

[Addiction]

I figured this would be more popular... O_o

[anubis24354]

I'm interested, I just don't know how the hell to blurr images, so I'd be passing a lot if I joined this. Since Askand hasn't posted a new pic, why don't you go again?

[Addiction]

Alright. I will.. And you can find distorted images online if you can't make them. I use my CS2 for mine...

I'll edit this when I finish it...

Edit: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4456/98462727hr3.gif

[Barbaroi]

Ukitake.

[Addiction]

That's correct. You post the next one.

[Barbaroi]

Pass. Don't have any sort of photoshop, just figured I'd guess it cuz it was quite easy.

[M_Ghey]

here is one:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5199/rawrkb8.png

hint: its from a non-shonen anime.

[Addiction]

I have no idea... O_o

[Barbaroi]

LOL wow, he looks drunker then crap... this picture made me laugh.

No idea.

[Kenta]

the picture is vague enough that it doesn't need to be distorted... XD

[M_Ghey]

not rly, its the main character.

u should know it, kenta.

[Insight]

it's Hachimaki from Planetes.

pass on my go.

[konakona]

I jumptih on Insights pass

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2764/rippledtg3.jpg

Too easy :O

[mangus14]

Guys you want inglish subtitiled wathing is site www.veoh.com your watching is here

[M_Ghey]

it's Hachimaki from Planetes.

pass on my go.
correct. :)

[Joe Black]

L: Justice can suck on mai balls.

[Kenta]

i can't wait for this chapter to be animated. it's totally awesome.

[Princess Gheyfu]

I jumptih on Insights pass

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2764/rippledtg3.jpg

Too easy :O

http://www.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=6095

Rebecca Miyamoto from Pani Poni Dash? xD

[Cleric]

Agreed . . . although being a climax chapter does make it harder to get in all the story . . . but there's always next chapter

[M_Ghey]

Definetly Gungrave. It's amazing until episode 19 or so, and is a very good anime overall.

Fate/Stay night is kinda mediocre, too many cliches and story isn't really all that interesting.

[konakona]

Indeed it is so

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3508/unrippledvg3.jpg
Unrippled version

UR TURN

[~Wonderwice~]

Indeed it is so
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3508/unrippledvg3.jpg
Unrippled version
UR TURN


GAH THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I KNEW DX
Pani Poni ftw

[Princess Gheyfu]

My image:

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h105/Tofu-Chan-00/Guess%20the%20anime/hahawut.png

HINT: It should be obvious to fans of Super Robot anime. :)

[konakona]

Faye Valentine? (prolly wrong)

Oh Super Robot, nvm then

:lol

[Princess Gheyfu]

Faye Valentine? (prolly wrong)

Oh Super Robot, nvm then

:lol

Lol, wrong. :p

[Cassie]

I believe that's Shitou Haruka from Rahxephon.

If I'm right, I will pass my turn.

[lmsanchez1314]

heck ya I'll use it! I mean, ...erm .... I've got to think about it first...

[Princess Gheyfu]

I believe that's Shitou Haruka from Rahxephon.

If I'm right, I will pass my turn.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Haruka_shitow_screenshot.jpg

Right, it was Haruka Shitow. ^^

[Phoenix-X]

i'll go then

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8809/fgdys0.jpg

[XING]

byakuya

[anubis24354]

That looks kinda like Byakuya.
Edit: I see I delayed too long :P.

[Souseiki]

Everyone i know who reads Death Note hates near.
I personally like L and Mello becuase Near was too...emotoinless?
What about u?

[Camron]

ubo wins this pretty easily.

ichigo is not faster than sound. if he was he would make sonic booms to indicate that he is faster than sound.

Shunpo is not instant teleportation nor faster than lightspeed if it was ukitake, shunsui, and yammamoto would have reached the outskirts of gotei 13 instantly and wouldn't have time to talk to each other.

[Camron]

Kurama wins... YYH characters are just more powerful than Bleach characters.

Hiei back in the saint beast arc cut a guy 16x in a split second. the same guy hiei cut could punch a 100 times in a split second, and the guy couldn't even get one punch out.

Kurama is a billion times stronger when S-class than a C- class hiei. Kurama could also kill ichigo in the first 2 seconds using strategy.

Yes ichigo could leave afterimages, but kurama disappeared entirely during his fight with sensui.

Disappearing >> leaving afterimages.

Disappearing means that ur opponent can't track ur movements anymore, while afterimages just overwhelms ur opponents senses but their eyes can still track u.

Disappearing is faster than Leaving afterimages.

that and YYH characters can destroy the whole planet only by powering up

[Camron]

Zealot(Starcraft)

vs

Ichigo full power no limit to his vaizard time.

who wins?

[Joe Black]

Wull, it has been a long time since I played Starcraft, but in these types of threads, I desire Ichigo's loss.

a Zealot for the Protoss is the most effective basic infantry soldier, equipped with an energy sword and shield. Although they have honor and loyalty to thier cause, yelling "My life for Aiur!", making them powerful soldiers, Ichigo would still have the speed and power to break through the energy shields and overwhelm his opponent.

Don't get me wrong -- the Protoss are a great warrior alien race, but they are still not a match for the depicted energy levels on Bleach. Lets face it, at maximum, a Zealot can kill only about three marines/zerglings.

Now, if it was dependant on swordsmanship, the Zealot would win.

[Camron]

^how bout the fact a zealot can turn itself into pure energy to strike at lightning speeds?

[Joe Black]

oh, i had forgotten about that. you do have a point then. now a question remains: is psionic energy more powerful than reitsu?

[Lelouch]

A normal Zealot would be toasted. Despite Protoss technology (shield armor is so pissing me off , when im zerg vs them) , despite their well honed fighting skills , despite their courage.. Ichigo is a Shinigami. And a powerful one that is.

Maybe Zeratul ( A Hero-Unit Zealot ) could go better against Berry-tan..Who knows?

P.S Is Starcraft considered anime/manga? Cause this is the manga/anime arena..

[Camron]

oh, i had forgotten about that. you do have a point then. now a question remains: is psionic energy more powerful than reitsu?

has reiatsu melted through 4 inches of neo steel armor like nothing? has reiatsu ever pierced through carapace that could withstand gauss spike rifles travelling at hypersonic speeds?

Psionic blades have gone through much more thicker and tougher materials reiatsu has gone through. the only thing reiatsu has successfully cut is concrete and other reiatsu material. now are u telling me normal concrete can withstand arclite tank blast just as good as zerg carapaces can?

A normal Zealot would be toasted. Despite Protoss technology (shield armor is so pissing me off , when im zerg vs them) , despite their well honed fighting skills , despite their courage.. Ichigo is a Shinigami. And a powerful one that is.
Maybe Zeratul ( A Hero-Unit Zealot ) could go better against Berry-tan..Who knows?
P.S Is Starcraft considered anime/manga? Cause this is the manga/anime arena..

provide proof first then claims. u don't even need zeratul to deal with ichigo.

[Joe Black]

^ source?

although i am quite pleased by your well-founded argument.

[Lelouch]

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=44568
indeed, the one I created.
EDIT:// without their tools to kill?
I would probably say Lelouch then -- he can pilot a Knightmare.

hmm...sorry i guess i didnt search that well -.-.. We can as well procced with deleting this thread.

[Camron]

^ source?
although i am quite pleased by your well-founded argument.

every tank in the terran forces is armored by 4 inch neo steel armor. Siege tanks also have a 120mm canon that fires supercharged plasma at its targets with precision.

The heavily armored AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tanks are renowned throughout the Confederacy for their cannons’ unrelenting barrages of plasma-charged doom and their stalwart emplacement/advance tactics. The Mjolnir Artillery Cannon is so powerful that the Tank must brace itself before deploying. Crew consists of a driver, gunner, and a commander/navigator.

every terran marine is issued a c-14 gauss rifle that fires 8 mm spikes traveling at hypersonic speeds, but zerg carapace has also been known to take on U-238 depleted uranium spikes


Marines are normally armed with C-14 Impaler gauss rifles that fire 8mm metal "spikes" at hypersonic speeds. Basic rounds are designed to provide maximum penetration against all armor types, but a number of specialized rounds exist. Of these, the U-238 depleted uranium spike is the most popular because it extends the lethal range of gauss rifles by up to 25%. To preserve ammunition usage and minimize power requirements, the rifle uses a capacitor system to fire in short, controlled bursts. This flexible sidearm can be used to target both air and ground enemies.

Zerg Carapace took on all those without instantly dieing. However psionic blades melted through zerg carapace like butter.

[James Cizuz]

every tank in the terran forces is armored by 4 inch neo steel armor. Siege tanks also have a 120mm canon that fires supercharged plasma at its targets with precision.
The heavily armored AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tanks are renowned throughout the Confederacy for their cannons’ unrelenting barrages of plasma-charged doom and their stalwart emplacement/advance tactics. The Mjolnir Artillery Cannon is so powerful that the Tank must brace itself before deploying. Crew consists of a driver, gunner, and a commander/navigator.
every terran marine is issued a c-14 gauss rifle that fires 8 mm spikes traveling at hypersonic speeds, but zerg carapace has also been known to take on U-238 depleted uranium spikes

Marines are normally armed with C-14 Impaler gauss rifles that fire 8mm metal "spikes" at hypersonic speeds. Basic rounds are designed to provide maximum penetration against all armor types, but a number of specialized rounds exist. Of these, the U-238 depleted uranium spike is the most popular because it extends the lethal range of gauss rifles by up to 25%. To preserve ammunition usage and minimize power requirements, the rifle uses a capacitor system to fire in short, controlled bursts. This flexible sidearm can be used to target both air and ground enemies.
Zerg Carapace took on all those without instantly dieing. However psionic blades melted through zerg carapace like butter.

"In aerodynamics, hypersonic speeds are speeds that are highly supersonic. In the 1970s, the term generally came to refer to speeds of Mach 5 (5 times the speed of sound) and above.

Mach 5, being 5 times the speed of sound is about 5000 feet per second. A 50 cal sniper rifle already shoots at that speed. Depleted uranium bullets, used by high armor piercing turret guns shoots out at 10,000 feet per second, as well as moves so fast through the air, that it literally com busts the air around it.

A 50 cal sniper bullet has the potential as well as few working guns which operate at a 5,000 FPS, as well as a full metal jacket. The bullets have a penetrating force to go through 8 layers of armor crimped steal. Also known as "dragon skin" which is plates of steal in hexagonal patterns laid over each other, to both absorb and distribute the force, it's rated in tests the highest ranking armor available today. It is equivalent to having 9 inches of armor grade steel, for a 8 layer skin, which is light, and only comprises around 2 inches thick.

Since you give no data on how strong "neo steel is" and also being only 4 inchs thick, and a 1 layer form, with no data on how it's laid out, it seems to be not that good. Also, a 8 mm spike at 5000 FPS would have much less penetrating force then a 50 cal sniper rifle. Also, there is much stronger bullets then the 50 cal, in fact in the US you can buy a barrette 50 cal sniper rifle for HUNTING!

Other then that, the best types of armor are multilayer and different kinds of material. In fact, some of the best armor you can find is below your feet, being dirt. Dirt absorbs in pact VERY well infact, not at the rate of high grade armor but will stop a 50 cal within 1-2 feet, as well as a depleted uranium shell bullet within 5.

We have seen ichigo, in his lower end of his power, in shikai, cut entirely through a object, basically the size of a mountain, with ease.

As for the PSI blades zealots use, even if they had the force to harm ichigo, which I doubt and we have no real good comparisons to go by. If ichigo can withstand forces which could slice a mountain in half, and all we seen on zealots is to cut through carapiese or 4 inchs of steel, whats the point in comparing?

The fact is, it would come to speed in the end. We know the marines are around the speed maybe 2-3 times faster then normal humans. A zealots moves at double the speed of a marine. Ichigo moves at basically hypersonic or greater. So whats the point in a comparison in 2 huge differences in power?

Now maybe if it was kerigan in zerg form she could kill ichigo, but not because shes strong but because shes hot. ;)

[Undying]

I think Cizuz pretty much summed up everything, including the speed argument I wanted to use (boo :<).

One thing though, Kerrigan in Zerg form, HOT!?

RELENT AT ONCE! :p

[Joe Black]

Who would win in this one on one battle of samurai?

Jack {Samurai Jack}
or
Mugen {Samurai Champloo}?

[Camron]

"In aerodynamics, hypersonic speeds are speeds that are highly supersonic. In the 1970s, the term generally came to refer to speeds of Mach 5 (5 times the speed of sound) and above.
Mach 5, being 5 times the speed of sound is about 5000 feet per second. A 50 cal sniper rifle already shoots at that speed. Depleted uranium bullets, used by high armor piercing turret guns shoots out at 10,000 feet per second, as well as moves so fast through the air, that it literally com busts the air around it.
A 50 cal sniper bullet has the potential as well as few working guns which operate at a 5,000 FPS, as well as a full metal jacket. The bullets have a penetrating force to go through 8 layers of armor crimped steal. Also known as "dragon skin" which is plates of steal in hexagonal patterns laid over each other, to both absorb and distribute the force, it's rated in tests the highest ranking armor available today. It is equivalent to having 9 inches of armor grade steel, for a 8 layer skin, which is light, and only comprises around 2 inches thick.
Since you give no data on how strong "neo steel is" and also being only 4 inchs thick, and a 1 layer form, with no data on how it's laid out, it seems to be not that good. Also, a 8 mm spike at 5000 FPS would have much less penetrating force then a 50 cal sniper rifle. Also, there is much stronger bullets then the 50 cal, in fact in the US you can buy a barrette 50 cal sniper rifle for HUNTING!
Other then that, the best types of armor are multilayer and different kinds of material. In fact, some of the best armor you can find is below your feet, being dirt. Dirt absorbs in pact VERY well infact, not at the rate of high grade armor but will stop a 50 cal within 1-2 feet, as well as a depleted uranium shell bullet within 5.
We have seen ichigo, in his lower end of his power, in shikai, cut entirely through a object, basically the size of a mountain, with ease.
As for the PSI blades zealots use, even if they had the force to harm ichigo, which I doubt and we have no real good comparisons to go by. If ichigo can withstand forces which could slice a mountain in half, and all we seen on zealots is to cut through carapiese or 4 inchs of steel, whats the point in comparing?

so u conclude that because ichigo can survive mountain cutting attacks because he has made them correct?

Ichigo's survival depends on one thing alone, his ability to pull out plot armor in the last minute.

Ichigo was cut by kenpachi's attack, kenpachi's attack at most cut a building in half.

building =/= mountain.

Ichigo was also cut by byakuya's attack, his bankai. byakuya's bankai never cut any mountains either.

unless u can show me someone who has a mountain cutting attack fail to cut ichigo u can't use ichigo's durability and basing it on his own abilities.

and if ur talking about mountains under urahara's shop u have to prove its real mountains and not just made of reiatsu.


The fact is, it would come to speed in the end. We know the marines are around the speed maybe 2-3 times faster then normal humans. A zealots moves at double the speed of a marine. Ichigo moves at basically hypersonic or greater. So whats the point in a comparison in 2 huge differences in power?
Now maybe if it was kerigan in zerg form she could kill ichigo, but not because shes strong but because shes hot. ;)

if ichigo moves at hypersonic speeds, he would have to break the sound barrier. to break the sound barrier u need to make sonic booms. show me a scan where ichigo makes a sonic boom to pierce the sound barrier.

Zealots can make themselves pure energy and attack at lightning speeds.

lightning > sound.

Sound > Ichigo.

zealot is faster than sound.

[Undying]

Yes but can they damage him? It's not really plot armour that defended Ichigo in most cases, it's the fact he has enough power to survive them.

Zaraki's attacks slice apart a huge tower in half, with a flick of a wrist - that's hardly the "most" of his attack. I think we can safely assume that Kenpachi's attacks have enough power behind them to cut a mountain.

As far as Byakuya's attack goes, he also sliced a building into tiny pieces with his bankai, and he has at least the same amount of power as Kenpachi, which means he could also slice a building/mountain in half.

As for sonic booms go, I doubt that the mangaka would bother drawing sonicbooms when they can just draw someone appearing and disappearing, but I believe that someone moving slower than sound couldn't leave several afterimages, eh?

[Kuroudo]

we dont need anymore proof, Kurama won (despite my efforts) so...someone lock this thread already. i must disagree with you than YYH Characters being more poweful than all bleach characters, The non-gotei 13 Espada -> Aizen, are very strong indeed. (Because of Aizens stupid hypnosis he can take care of anybody.)

Dont want to start a new thread here. so dont reply to this.

[James Cizuz]

so u conclude that because ichigo can survive mountain cutting attacks because he has made them correct?

Did I state that? Ichigo has produced MUCH stronger attacks then the one he used to split a mountain, and being blocked by the other enemy like nothing, then hit by them full force. As we know grimm jow can and does produce much stronger attacks then ichigo does, though not in a energy type attack but a pure blunt attack, and his attacks have caused him to make a creator.


Ichigo's survival depends on one thing alone, his ability to pull out plot armor in the last minute.
Ichigo was cut by kenpachi's attack, kenpachi's attack at most cut a building in half.
building =/= mountain.

Remember, this was before he gained bankai. Also, kenpachis attack at most cut a building in half? At most would mean he was using ALL his power and having trouble cutting the building in half. He flicked his wrist, and the building goes in half.

Ichigo was also cut by byakuya's attack, his bankai. byakuya's bankai never cut any mountains either.

Byakuya's bankai has stoped an attack which cut a mountain in half. I don't know if you know it, but if 2 forces hit each other, the one that stops the other, has more force.

unless u can show me someone who has a mountain cutting attack fail to cut ichigo u can't use ichigo's durability and basing it on his own abilities.
and if ur talking about mountains under urahara's shop u have to prove its real mountains and not just made of reiatsu.

SOUL SOCIETY IS MADE OF REIATSU, SO IS MOST TO ALL PLACES ICHIGO EVER FOUGHT. Was this just a joke, or are you serious? The strongest material in bleach is made of reiatsu.

if ichigo moves at hypersonic speeds, he would have to break the sound barrier. to break the sound barrier u need to make sonic booms.

Since we do not know how shunpu works, we do have a few things to go on. Shunpu moves the body "faster then an eye can track". An eye can track up to 3500 feet per second. Sound is 1000 feet per second. Not to mention thats NORMAL shunpu, which most vice captains can do, and what ichigo before using bankai could do, and better, and using bankai gaining 10x the speed.

Kubo tite wouldn't put in a sonic boom, for a few reasons. Ichigo is a spirit, it's not needed, and it's a show.

Show me where in dragon ball z it shows a sonic boom, goku can move at the speed of light.

Also, an object does not have to make a sonic boom. Only bigger objects. As we know, 50 cal sniper bullets move 5 times faster then sound. They don't make a sonic boom.(They do, however you wouldn't hear it going by, just the sip of the bullet). Objects like airplanes make sonic booms. As for humans, a human might make a sonic boom somewhat loud but who can tell?

show me a scan where ichigo makes a sonic boom to pierce the sound barrier.
Zealots can make themselves pure energy and attack at lightning speeds.
lightning > sound.
Sound > Ichigo.
zealot is faster than sound.
Uhm.... What? Why then did protoss lose, against normal humans, or zerg?



Oh and undying, she is hot. Admit it. :D

Though I find nell in her released form hot, as well as a lot of stuff similar to that so yeah...

[Camron]

Uhm.... What? Why then did protoss lose, against normal humans, or zerg?
Oh and undying, she is hot. Admit it. :D

Because the protoss never lost to humans, the protoss and the terran confederacy were allies. They both lost to the zerg and was in bad condition when the UED came.

Protoss only lost to zerg because the zerg teleported their most numerous force right in auir. the home planet of the protoss, because of this protoss members went to run to shakuras using teleportation gates.

Ichigo was cut by kenpachi, thats a fact. kenpachi cut a building in half. now lets say that this building is infact concrete. just like any other concrete building.

Now its fair to say that the M1 rifle could penetrate concrete. It has been shown to be able to penetrate bullet proof glass. Now the M1 has an energy of 1,308 joules. So an energy of 1,308 joules is the minimum energy required to penetrate concrete and to cut ichigo, but ichigo powered up w/ bankai and vaizard. Yoruichi herself said that bankai increases ur power 5-10x. assuming it also increases ur durability 5-10x, Ichigo at maximum can take 13,080 joules in bankai. Assuming Vaizardification does the same(5-10x more power), then the most latest ichigo can take 130,800 joules at most.

If our rifles can reach 10,000 fps, its safe to say that the gauss rifles can at least reach double that, seeing as how the technology in starcraft is lightyears beyond ours. so that would make 20,000 fps as the muzzle velocity of ur standard gauss rifles issued to a terran marine. that means it can reach 6,096m/s

projectile mass in grams x (muzzle velocity in m/s)^2 / 2000

that is the formula for finding out the joules of a bullet. the bullet mass of a .50 cal BMG is 46.7 g. now its fair to say that the spikes used by terran should at least match that. so now we calculate the joules that is created by the gauss rifle.

46.7g x (20,000)^2 / 2000 = 9,340,000 joules.

If the M1 could pierce bullet proof glass, it could certainly pierce concrete. the M1 only produce 1,308 joules. Ichigo can take only 130,800 joules.

the gauss rifle should also be able to pierce concrete @ 9,340,000 joules.

Now the zerg carapace can withstand those bullets without dying. Meaning their carapace can withstand that kind of energy. The zealot could pierce those very same carapace. meaning they probably exceed that amount of energy output.

Ichigo can withstand 130,800 joules before getting pierced. Meaning he can't tank the zealots hits.

On to speed:

I concede that Ichigo is faster than sound, however how much more faster?

We can agree that the Gotei 13's court is as big as a city right?

lets say its the size of LA for the sake of argument.

LA is 1,214.9 square kilometers but lets round it up to 2,000 square kilometers.
Light travels at 299,792,458 m/s divided by 100 to make 299,792 km/s.

This means that LA measures 44 kilometers on each side of a box perimeter.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/K_Johnson23/square-1.jpg

If we put a / in the middle of that square it would make 2 right angled triangles.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/K_Johnson23/box.jpg

Now to find the lenght of the line in the middle(Hypotneuse) its

c^2 = a^2 + b^2

so we square 44 which is 1 936 we add them together which makes 3872. Squareroot 3872 and we get 62

assuming that the execution hill was dead center of Gotei 13 court, we divide 62 by 2. which gives 31.

This means that 31 km was the lenght Yamamoto, Shunsui and Ukitake had to travel to get from the execution hill to the outskirts of Gotei 13 court.

Now lets say it took shunsui and ukitake at least 5 seconds to get there. that means they were going 31 km/ 5 seconds. or 6.2 km/second or 3.8 miles/second.

A zealot is stated to be able to convert itself into pure energy for at least a few microseconds to attack at lightning speeds. The speed of lightning?

According to the book, "It's Raining Frogs and Fishes,"
by Jerry Dennis, lightning bolts travel at speeds up
to 93,000 miles per second. That's pretty darn fast.
What we see as a single lightning flash is actually
several lightning bolts that follow each other so rapidly
that our eyes see only a single flash.


93,000 miles/ second.

Now lets say that ichigo does have control of his reiatsu just as much as the most highest tiers of bleach does. Even then he would only go at the speed of 3.8 miles / second.

In the end. Ichigo could neither tank nor outspeed a zealot.

As for sonic booms go, I doubt that the mangaka would bother drawing sonicbooms when they can just draw someone appearing and disappearing, but I believe that someone moving slower than sound couldn't leave several afterimages, eh?

i could leave afterimages and im not faster than sound. hell anyone can leave afterimages. heres how:

1)hold out ur hand in front of ur monitor
2)Wave ur hand back and forth really fast
3)u should see afterimages of ur fingers.

[Camron]

we dont need anymore proof, Kurama won (despite my efforts) so...someone lock this thread already. i must disagree with you than YYH Characters being more poweful than all bleach characters, The non-gotei 13 Espada -> Aizen, are very strong indeed. (Because of Aizens stupid hypnosis he can take care of anybody.)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/K_Johnson23/Page04Shiraku.png?t=1195446401

sensui is the weakest version of an S class demon, he was an S- class, yet he can't use 1/5th of his power on earth because it wouldn't be able to contain his power. other words, he can destroy the world by powering up.

S+ class can defeat multiple S- class demons at once. Meaning they are exponentially stronger than S- class demons. S+ class demons was pretty much normal by the end of YYH.

[Jay3205]

Yoko Kurama at the end of YYH was S- class. Normal Kurama was A class, but he was capable of beating an S- class demon using skill and intelligence.

[Camron]

Yoko Kurama at the end of YYH was S- class. Normal Kurama was A class, but he was capable of beating an S- class demon using skill and intelligence.

he was mid S class i believe since he beat yomi's right hand man who was mid S class himself but arguin bout kuramas power level is pointless since even @ A class he is stronger than any bleach character.

[skyoon]

"In aerodynamics, hypersonic speeds are speeds that are highly supersonic. In the 1970s, the term generally came to refer to speeds of Mach 5 (5 times the speed of sound) and above.
Mach 5, being 5 times the speed of sound is about 5000 feet per second. A 50 cal sniper rifle already shoots at that speed. Depleted uranium bullets, used by high armor piercing turret guns shoots out at 10,000 feet per second, as well as moves so fast through the air, that it literally com busts the air around it.
A 50 cal sniper bullet has the potential as well as few working guns which operate at a 5,000 FPS, as well as a full metal jacket. The bullets have a penetrating force to go through 8 layers of armor crimped steal. Also known as "dragon skin" which is plates of steal in hexagonal patterns laid over each other, to both absorb and distribute the force, it's rated in tests the highest ranking armor available today. It is equivalent to having 9 inches of armor grade steel, for a 8 layer skin, which is light, and only comprises around 2 inches thick.
Since you give no data on how strong "neo steel is" and also being only 4 inchs thick, and a 1 layer form, with no data on how it's laid out, it seems to be not that good. Also, a 8 mm spike at 5000 FPS would have much less penetrating force then a 50 cal sniper rifle. Also, there is much stronger bullets then the 50 cal, in fact in the US you can buy a barrette 50 cal sniper rifle for HUNTING!
Other then that, the best types of armor are multilayer and different kinds of material. In fact, some of the best armor you can find is below your feet, being dirt. Dirt absorbs in pact VERY well infact, not at the rate of high grade armor but will stop a 50 cal within 1-2 feet, as well as a depleted uranium shell bullet within 5.
We have seen ichigo, in his lower end of his power, in shikai, cut entirely through a object, basically the size of a mountain, with ease.
As for the PSI blades zealots use, even if they had the force to harm ichigo, which I doubt and we have no real good comparisons to go by. If ichigo can withstand forces which could slice a mountain in half, and all we seen on zealots is to cut through carapiese or 4 inchs of steel, whats the point in comparing?
The fact is, it would come to speed in the end. We know the marines are around the speed maybe 2-3 times faster then normal humans. A zealots moves at double the speed of a marine. Ichigo moves at basically hypersonic or greater. So whats the point in a comparison in 2 huge differences in power?
Now maybe if it was kerigan in zerg form she could kill ichigo, but not because shes strong but because shes hot. ;)

A LOT of common misconceptions (and some blantant full-out untruths) in there, but nothing that would really sway the debate towards the zealot. Just FYI....

[Silhouette]

lmao! That's a good one, and I'm a hardcore Mugen fan and all, but Jack's got this. Why, you ask?

Mugen fights human people - most of which aren't even worth his time. I think he's only fought like five people in the entire series that could even match him; Jin, 2 of the 3 "Ugly Bros", Sarah (?), and Kariya.

That being said, he doesn't have to fight what Jack does. Which would be demons, robots (usually armies of them), people with guns/lasers, etc.

Samurai Champloo, for the most part, is down-to-earth fighting. Whereas Samurai Jack fights are more 'intense' and whatnot. IE, Jack leaping 30 ft in the air, or slicing through steel with one slash (which he does often, since most of his enemies consist of robots).

Mugen is tough, and his fighting style is enough to keep any down-to-earth swordsman on their feet. But Jack simply has more experience, and fights tougher foes. I'm sure Jack has fought opponents similiar to Mugen, in a sense that they're all over the place - since I think Jack has fought a few robots that had several arms or w/e.

And Jack's simply much tougher, once again, taking hits from mechanical creatures, demons (Aku), etc.

[Aina1]

i really like this show!
do u like the venus that is innocent?

[silverwolf801]

hmI have seen a few dubbed episodes on the Animenetwork. it was ok with the little girl and the guy in the mecha

[Kurai1]

i think joe is sexy . . . :D

[Aina1]

http://unmondemagique.free.fr/vampire/vampire_kaname.jpg

i put regular cuz no ones gonna know :3

[Aina1]

L: i love you Uryuk
uryuk: i love u too light *makes out*

i'd kill myself before this happens!

[Aina1]

a stare contest!
who wil win!

[konakona]

Kaname from Vampire Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_Knight)?

Isnt that a manga only?
ANNNDDDD wasnt it hitsugayas turn?

Edit: wtvr

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5920/munkyll4.jpg

Wuts monkeymans name? And no, its not shopped

[Icestorm]

Spamfest waiting to happen.

[Jay3205]

Mugen is just a normal guy with a ton of skill. Jack is basically superhuman in his abilities with skill to match. Samurai Jack would win.

[Sasukemb]

i would love to be a shinigami

[Sasukemb]

who would win. ichigo all the way

[Esca]

This isn't even a real match, Ogihci would decimate Luffy in less than a second.

[Camron]

luffy fought enel, lightning incarnate, without gears or powerups. Nightmare luffy is one of the most strongest forms of luffy currently.

luffy has both the strenght(lifting a big multi-ton gold ball); and the speed(Being able to catch enel), to decimate ichigo in this match.


Ichigo dies against luffy.

[Camron]

no bleach character can stand up to a YYH character.

[Silhouette]

^ That's so not true, but whatever.

Anyway, since this thread was revived for no reason.. I might as well throw in my 2 cent. Not much is known of Urahara, thus any match-ups made with him are fail, and cannot be rightly debated upon.

Unless its like.. Hulk or Supes vs Urahara. Then its obvious rape. Hiei's powerful and all, but we don't know what Ura's Bankai can do. It could be an uber-cheap 'auto-win' thing. But we don't know.

I think Jay said it best when he stated:

Off what we've seen so far, Hiei would beat Urahara. Depending on what Urahara's bankai is, he could pull off a win. However, going off the little we do know, the fight is in Hiei's favor.

[Camron]

^ That's so not true, but whatever.
Anyway, since this thread was revived for no reason.. I might as well throw in my 2 cent. Not much is known of Urahara, thus any match-ups made with him are fail, and cannot be rightly debated upon.
Unless its like.. Hulk or Supes vs Urahara. Then its obvious rape. Hiei's powerful and all, but we don't know what Ura's Bankai can do. It could be an uber-cheap 'auto-win' thing. But we don't know.
I think Jay said it best when he stated:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/K_Johnson23/Page04Shiraku.png?t=1195446401

sensui is s- class. the lowest category of S-class. Hiei, Yusuke, Yomi, Mukuro, Raizen's fighting buddies are S+ class. Raizen is on a class on his own when he was at his peak. the jumps from each class is remarkably far apart.

one S- class can beat 500 A+ class demons. it should show u just how much more powerful a mid s class is compared to a s- class, and also how powerful S+ class are.

if one S- class can't even use 1/5th of his power on earth because it'll destroy it, S+ class are much much more powerful.

Yamamoto released his shikai, and barely did damage to Seretei. Seretei is probably the size of a small town. Bankai increases power by 5-10x. Yamamoto's bankai can be a city buster at most.

Planet busting >> City busting.

YYH >>>> Bleach.

unless u pit botan against Ichigo.

[Silhouette]

I'm a fan of YYH, so I know all about their feats, but saying something like, "no bleach character can stand up to a YYH character.", is incorrect.

Your Botan vs Ichigo proves my point. Let's not forget about Kuwabara, or anyone (other than the main characters [Yusuke & co] or villians [Toguro Bros & co]) from the beginning of YYH through the first Demon Tournament.

Saint Beast vs Captain-class Shinigami/Espada? No contest. Those weakling demons that were pretty much fodder for Yusuke & Toguro's teams in the first Dark Tournament? No contest.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the main characters and their rivals, but saying that everyone in YYH is stronger than everyone in Bleach is a little much.

[Camron]

I'm a fan of YYH, so I know all about their feats, but saying something like, "no bleach character can stand up to a YYH character.", is incorrect.
Your Botan vs Ichigo proves my point. Let's not forget about Kuwabara, or anyone (other than the main characters [Yusuke & co] or villians [Toguro Bros & co]) from the beginning of YYH through the first Demon Tournament.
Saint Beast vs Captain-class Shinigami/Espada? No contest. Those weakling demons that were pretty much fodder for Yusuke & Toguro's teams in the first Dark Tournament? No contest.
I'm not disagreeing with you about the main characters and their rivals, but saying that everyone in YYH are stronger than everyone in Bleach is a little much.

point taken. i should've clearly stated the main characters and their rivals.

but kuwabara can take most if not all of bleachverse. his sword can cut through anything, in the end of the series he reached A class along with kurama and hiei during their fight with sensui.

[Undying]

We've already had enough of that discussion.

Ichigo/Ogichi win.

Luffy happened to be Enel's ONE weakness, which enabled him to beat him.

Certainly Luffy has more physical strength than Ichigo (lifting hundreds of kilograms of gold in the air with one hand), but he doesn't have the speed or defense to counter Ichigo, or Ogichi (who is stronger).

[Camron]

We've already had enough of that discussion.

Ichigo/Ogichi win.

Luffy happened to be Enel's ONE weakness, which enabled him to beat him.

Certainly Luffy has more physical strength than Ichigo (lifting hundreds of kilograms of gold in the air with one hand), but he doesn't have the speed or defense to counter Ichigo, or Ogichi (who is stronger).

Enel is lightning incarnate. Luffy was able to catch him

Enel > Ichigo in speed.

Luffy can catch ichigo.

[Esca]

We aren't talking about Ichigo, we're talking about Ogihci, which is a massive difference. Luffy, despite what he's done, is not winning this.

Excluding the fact that Luffy was Enel's one weakness and was lucky.

[Camron]

We aren't talking about Ichigo, we're talking about Ogihci, which is a massive difference. Luffy, despite what he's done, is not winning this.

Excluding the fact that Luffy was Enel's one weakness and was lucky.

Shirosaki is Ichigo. Ichigo is Shirosaki. Shirosaki uses Ichigo's reiatsu thus he can't have more reiatsu than ichigo. Shunpo uses reiatsu to determine speed. Ichigo has not been shown to be as fast as lightning.

Luffy has been shown to catch lightning(enel). Luffy should at catch ichigo because ichigo is not faster than lightning(enel).

[d19531]

what awaits the person who uses the deathnote? the person will not go to heaven or hell so are they being turned in shinigami???

and yeah I'd use it

[silverwolf801]

no i think they will go in betwwen into nothuing ness. I am only guessing I watch the dubbed version like everyone else

[Tiberian]

After luffy learned how to do 2nd gear and 3rd gear do you think he could beat Ao kiji now?
I think luffy could beat Ao kiji now, This 2nd gear that makes his body start to steam must make his skin hotter then normal so when he would hit Ao kiji the hits would hurt instead of shattering him into ice.
what does everyone else think?

I think you are 100% correct. Much like how Luffy beat crocodile with water and blood, Luffy's second Gear would probably be the counter to Ao kiji.

Of course i'm much more interested how Luffy will overcome Blackbeard eventually.... but thats another topic altogether.

[Tiberian]

I highly doubt it as his and Luffy's goals are not the same and won't clash, remember Enel isn't a pirate.In one Piece though, nothing is impossible. They could even use him in a filler anime arc, who knows. Even if they did meet again, Luffy would still be able to beat him, even if Enel became more powerful.

[Undying]

Enel was NOT striking at lightning speed when Luffy caught him (when he was, Luffy was HIT - and because he's rubber he escaped unscathed).

Ogichi is far stronger than Ichigo, just FYI (at this point in the anime/manga anyway).

[teilwal]

at first i thought 'theres no way i would use such a thing. i wouldnt even want to test it out.' but when i seriously imagined i had found a death note i think i would end up using it..the power and the temptation is just too great. i probably wouldnt go on a killing rampage like light did..(at first anyways)..but i would end up using it..im about 80% sure..theres the other 20% that i might hold out against the temptation and wait for the shinigami to show up and hand it back to him/her..

[James Cizuz]

EVERY THREAD LUFFY LOST TO ICHIGO.

Please just face it guys, he lost. In every way except strength.

Please just stop making these threads.

[Camron]

Enel was NOT striking at lightning speed when Luffy caught him (when he was, Luffy was HIT - and because he's rubber he escaped unscathed).

prove it. Enel is lightning incarnate. he is lightning.


Ogichi is far stronger than Ichigo, just FYI (at this point in the anime/manga anyway).

how can that be when he is ichigo and ichigo is him? just because he seems more badass to u doesn't mean he is stronger. He uses the same reiatsu pool as ichigo. thus he can't be stronger.

EVERY THREAD LUFFY LOST TO ICHIGO.

Please just face it guys, he lost. In every way except strength.

Please just stop making these threads.

and? just cuz 90% of the arena goers are blind bleach fanboys doesn't mean its true.

luffy has been able to catch a being that is lightning speed.
luffy outspeeds ichigo

luffy has carried a multiton gold ball.
luffy outstrenghts ichigo

one minor character survived a blast that had a blast radius of 5km or more and survived. Luffy is much more durable than that guy.
luffy outlasts ichigo.

[Undying]

prove it. Enel is lightning incarnate. he is lightning.
He *uses* lightning. He is capable of turning his body into lightning. Ace and Smoker a similar ability, but they do not move "in the speed of smoke" or "in the speed of fire". Enel does not *move* as fast as lightning when he uses regular movement (he used those Sky-battle techniques).



how can that be when he is ichigo and ichigo is him? just because he seems more badass to u doesn't mean he is stronger. He uses the same reiatsu pool as ichigo. thus he can't be stronger.

It's not who seems more badass -.-'.

I'll just quote Ulqiorra, whose power is far greater than Ichigo's:

"one minute his reiatsu is greater than mine (reference to when Ogichi is taking over) the next he is trash (regular Ichigo)".

It's quote simple, really. Ogichi is part of Ichigo's soul, true, but he uses far more of Ichigo's power than Ichigo does, hence he is stronger.

[James Cizuz]

prove it. Enel is lightning incarnate. he is lightning.



how can that be when he is ichigo and ichigo is him? just because he seems more badass to u doesn't mean he is stronger. He uses the same reiatsu pool as ichigo. thus he can't be stronger.



and? just cuz 90% of the arena goers are blind bleach fanboys doesn't mean its true.

luffy has been able to catch a being that is lightning speed.
luffy outspeeds ichigo

luffy has carried a multiton gold ball.
luffy outstrenghts ichigo

one minor character survived a blast that had a blast radius of 5km or more and survived. Luffy is much more durable than that guy.
luffy outlasts ichigo.

1. Enel has never attacked luffy at lightning speeds. Enel is lightning, though show one scan where he states, and it shows he is moving, and attacked at lightning speeds.
2. If luffy can move faster then lightning, then why did he have so much trouble with other people after that ark?
3. Lets use your logic. Shunpu is described as "flash step". Since we are using YOUR LOGIC, then flash means light, and he moves as fast as light. Light owns lightning. See how that logic sucks? So discard it.

Luffies weakness is swords. Ichigo uses a sword, and moves faster then him. How do we measure luffies speed? Normal marines move at human speed. While he was fighting them you could see the difference in speed. If they wanted to show luffy was fast, they would of made them still non moving, while he zipped and killed them all before one of them even got a chance to move. That being if he only moved at a fraction of the speed of lightning, he would. Until we see ichigo kill hundreds of marines, without one marine moving, he does not move faster then lightning, in fact he only moves a couple times that of a human, unless he is using his elasticity to propel him.

Luffy can lift a multiton gold ball. Fine, thats fine. Even though it strained him to hell. I don't doubt he is stronger in strength. HOWEVER, ichigo has stoped full on strikes from a captain, who with a flick of a wrist cuts a building. A captain who barely hit the building with the sword, more of the force from the slice across the side and through the air produced enough force to cut the entire building, like nothing. Kenpachi. Might not sound impressive, but to produce something like that, with a sword, and a flick of the wrist, we are talking pretty much impossible figures, upwards of a mass acceleration of the sword of around 1.5*10^5 with a couple tons of force also. Though really hard to measure, or interrupt.

Please just give the thread up, Luffy loses.

[Camron]

1. Enel has never attacked luffy at lightning speeds. Enel is lightning, though show one scan where he states, and it shows he is moving, and attacked at lightning speeds.

Enel turns into lightning when he fights. He is lightning when he fights. do u know how logia devil fruits work?


2. If luffy can move faster then lightning, then why did he have so much trouble with other people after that ark?

PIS


3. Lets use your logic. Shunpu is described as "flash step". Since we are using YOUR LOGIC, then flash means light, and he moves as fast as light. Light owns lightning. See how that logic sucks? So discard it.

hyperbole. Shunpo is not faster than light.

Enel turns into lightning. He is lightning incarnate. He is the personification of lightning. he explained that his devil fruit power turns him into lightning.


Luffies weakness is swords. Ichigo uses a sword, and moves faster then him.

Yes his weakness is cutting attacks but it doesn't mean that he can be instantly killed by it.

going by your logic any human with a knife can kill luffy. Ichigo going faster than luffy is unproven.


How do we measure luffies speed? Normal marines move at human speed. While he was fighting them you could see the difference in speed. If they wanted to show luffy was fast, they would of made them still non moving, while he zipped and killed them all before one of them even got a chance to move. That being if he only moved at a fraction of the speed of lightning, he would. Until we see ichigo kill hundreds of marines, without one marine moving, he does not move faster then lightning, in fact he only moves a couple times that of a human, unless he is using his elasticity to propel him.

Good job u saw PIS. Ichigo has shunpo, but does he always use it?


Luffy can lift a multiton gold ball. Fine, thats fine. Even though it strained him to hell. I don't doubt he is stronger in strength. HOWEVER, ichigo has stoped full on strikes from a captain, who with a flick of a wrist cuts a building.


made from spiritons. now tell me just how durable is spiritons?


A captain who barely hit the building with the sword, more of the force from the slice across the side and through the air produced enough force to cut the entire building, like nothing. Kenpachi. Might not sound impressive, but to produce something like that, with a sword, and a flick of the wrist, we are talking pretty much impossible figures, upwards of a mass acceleration of the sword of around 1.5*10^5 with a couple tons of force also. Though really hard to measure, or interrupt.
Please just give the thread up, Luffy loses.

until u tell me how strong and durable spiritons are those numbers mean jack shit.

Luffy still hasn't lost. U've yet to prove ichigo's superiority over luffy.

Luffy matched enel's speed and since then he learnt soru and gear 2 which augments his speed even more.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Ogichi>luffy

He is far stronger and faster than luffy could ever dream. Vaizard Ichigo got mopped across the floor by Ulquiorra at full passion and power. Ulquiorra admitted to being weaker than Ogichi.

That is self explanatory.

[James Cizuz]

Enel turns into lightning when he fights. He is lightning when he fights. do u know how logia devil fruits work?

Yes I do. You don't however. Enel never always went into lightning form, and when he was, he was standing still, shooting shit at luffy, which always hit, but usually didn't hurt him, and luffy only killed him when he was standing still. Not moving. Enel can move the speed of lightning, but what good does it do him if his opponent can not be hurt by lightning? Also, since lightning has no pushing force in itself, and can not carry objects, enel had to think of other ways, you know, such as using his normal body to do stuff, or use his lightning to melt the gold to luffy?

hyperbole. Shunpo is not faster than light.

Wow thanks for stating the obvious. Are you like... Slow or something? I said I was using the guys logic. Since shunpu is "flash step" by his logic, ichigo moves fast as light. Since enel is "lightning" he just HAS to move speed of lightning. No, it can't be that his bolts of energy, or attacks move as fast as lightning it has to be HIM right?


Enel turns into lightning. He is lightning incarnate. He is the personification of lightning. he explained that his devil fruit power turns him into lightning.

Scan where is shows enel moving overly fast, from say one side of skypeia to the other in a mere fraction of a second. Or a scan where enel surprises luffy with his speed. Luffy was caught by normal men in some cases, and if enel can't go overly faster then luffy, it does not mean luffy is faster then lightning, it means enel is slower then luffy. Though enel is not as fast as lightning.

Yes his weakness is cutting attacks but it doesn't mean that he can be instantly killed by it. going by your logic any human with a knife can kill luffy. Ichigo going faster than luffy is unproven.

Already proven ichigo is faster. If your going to argue, become an hero, and save us the trouble.

The whole thing that draws me to one piece is the fact ANYONE CAN KILL LUFFY WITH A KNIFE. Luffies skin is rubber, and anyone with even a simple sword could chop his head off, if he wasn't looking.

However ichigo has reitsu inforced skin, just as kenpachi does, and all shingami. Just that in itself lets ichigo be hit by anyone weaker with full force with a sword.



Good job u saw PIS. Ichigo has shunpo, but does he always use it?

No, however he uses it almost constantly in a fight. Remember, shunpu is a move which can be repeated and repeated one after another till your energy runs dry.


made from spiritons. now tell me just how durable is spiritons?
until u tell me how strong and durable spiritons are those numbers mean jack shit.

Irrelevant. Don't bring the whole "WELL IT'S MADE OF X AND X COULD BE A VARIBLE, LOL BUILDINGS COULD BE MADE FROM MARSHMELLOWS!" It's retarded and makes you look retarded for bringing it up. Spiritons are basically atom counterparts which allow shingami, and spirits to interact and basically move through the world withing going through physical objects.

If your wonder, even the real world is laced with spiritons, in all objects, just the majority is atoms. That allows shingamies and spirits in real world to destroy, walk on objects in the real world also. Without going right through them of course. Same with huecu mundo.

Wait just for the fun of it. One piece is made of one piece atoms, until you get a scan of how strong they are, no feat by luffy is impressive. Buildings could be made of marshmellows LULZ!!

Wait lets take that further, LIGHTNING IS NOT THE SAME AS REAL LIGHTNING, LIGHTNING IN ONE PIECE GOES SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW1!!!

See how annoying that is? Now don't repeat it ever in a argument.

Luffy still hasn't lost. U've yet to prove ichigo's superiority over luffy.

Luffy matched enel's speed and since then he learnt soru and gear 2 which augments his speed even more.
I have proven ichigo would kill luffy. Now screw off if you think otherwise. I hate fan boys who will only argue and try to bring in stupid points and feats to prove there argument, especially when the feats are nothing.

[Esca]

Once again, you guys seem to be forgetting that this is Ogihci vs Luffy, someone who is much more powerful than Ichigo. If you think they're (Ichigo/Ogihci) are on the same level, you either don't read Bleach, are stupid, or you really really don't pay attention to obvious facts that have been stated within the story.

[Klavier Gavin]

Anyway, Ogichi wins hands down. I don't think something made of rubber can actually kill Ogichi.

[drRick59]

I say Kakashi dut to the fact he probably has a way to counter Gai's speed

[drRick59]

i have to say Sarutobi due to in his priem he might have been able to access more jutsus then when he aged.

[Tobi]

Gai takes this, Gai has explained a way to fight Sharingan users (Episode 80 or something) By concentrating on their feet and hands. Plus, he has gates, and possible weights, which he could last a lot longer than Rock Lee, sure Kakashi has got some experience with Taijutsu, but Gai is just pure Taijutsu.

As for the Mangekyou Sharingan, is takes ages, plus Kakashi has a hard time aiming, take a look at when he used it on Deidara, he kept moving about and it only took his arm off, now if we have Kakashi try it on Gai, Gai is a lot faster than Deidara.

Gai beat an Akatsuki using his gates, where as Kakashi hasn't. And I think when Lee took his weights off, Kakashi admitted his Sharingan not being able to keep up with the speed as Shukaku had a hard time, an actual Jinchuuriki had a hard time keeping up with someone with incredible speed that has been trained with someone with a lot more experience.

[Gettles]

Mugen wins because Jack can only harm robots.

Ok, I lied. Jakes takes this easily. He's been shown to be able to dodge bullets with ease, take down mutiple opponents in fractions of a second, and is super human in just about everything. Mugen is completly outmatched here.

[Sesshomaru]

Kakashi wins here, Gai don't know to beat Kakashi xD

... from they duel, Kakashi always go as winner because Gai lack self-esteem against Kakashi...

[Sesshomaru]

I hope you know that Orochimaru was weaker than Sarutobi at his prime. So all of the logic in your last post was disproven... so rather than just saying "Itachi wins", you should use logic other than
Orochimaru > Old Sarutobi
Itachi > Orochimaru
Itachi > Old Sarutobi

Agreed... Itachi wins

[B-Eazy]

Orochimaru was scared of Itachi. Even though in his prime the Third was much efficient ninja he would probably be bested by Itachi or he would have to use the same jutsu he used to fight Orochimaru

[Lelouch]

Itachi has powerful Eye-techniques , amazing speed and probably bruttaly efficient ninjutsu. He is a force not to be taken lightly , that much is sure.

Sarutobi on the other hand , was praised to be the one who knew all the Konoha Jutsus. In the Orochimaru Vs Old Sarutobi fight we see him doing some nice taijutsu moves , so we come to the conclusion that he is powerful in melee combat ( until proved otherwise , he is stronger than Itachi in taijutsu). Also , he is seen to be using fire , and earth jutsus in the same time , and in a very high level. He hasnt shown Genjutsu thus far , but i strongly believe he can use them , definetely not as perfectly as Itachi would , but stil above average.

So we have this :
Sarutobi > Itachi in Taijutsu
Sarutobi ( in his prime of course ) = Itachi in speed in my opinion
Itachi > Sarutobi in Genjutsu. ( Much to his Sharingan)
Sarutobi < / > / = Itachi in Ninjutsu . I would say Sarutobi has better ninjutsu , because he is supposed to know every one of them..But stil Itachi is worlds apart from normal ninjas , so i kinda leave this up to you to decide.

[Lelouch]

While it is stated , that Kakashi has won Gai more times , than the opposite , i believe Gai would be the victor. His amazing Taijutsu , and Speed ( he must be as fast a Lee x2 or something -.- ) would be a perfect counter for Kakashi's Mangekyou. Besides he has demonstrated a way to fight on equal grounds with a Sharingan-user in general (focusing on enemys hands , and feet ). Kakashi certainly is powerful , and he is very good in Taijusu but he cant be compared to a pure-taijutsu-ist like Gai.

Gai wins.

[kurosakitjs]

Kakashi, Gai is only good in physical combat.

[D3v]

Kakashi. Gai is fast and an awesome Taijutsu user but Kakashi has more tricks up his sleeve. Moreover, he is a great Taijutsu fighter himself even if not as good as Gai. He knows more jutsus and has Mangekyu Sharingan as an ace which if served right will end the fight right there.

And where exactly has Gai fought "on equal grounds" with a sharingan user? All we got from that Itachi scene was that Gai was probably better at fighting a Sharingan user than Asuma and Kurenai. Doesn't mean he can actually survive against a sharinigan user. If you recall from the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, sharingan opponent is the worst thing to have for a Taijutsu only fight since he can not only see your moves, he can actually predict them and plan the counter attack in advance.

About the gates, Gai can open more gates than Kakashi in all probability but Kakashi has a more complete package so he takes this fight.

[OutLawBankai]

yea so i was doing my normal googling stuff and i saw that the 1st movie came out on the 1st of sep in japan, just wounder if anyone has seen it yet and was it any good etc also if anyone has a link 4 a download 4 it.

[Princess Gheyfu]

I've seen the first 5 episodes and dropped it. Too cliche and ugly for me. :<

[Lelouch]

Kakashi. Gai is fast and an awesome Taijutsu user but Kakashi has more tricks up his sleeve. Moreover, he is a great Taijutsu fighter himself even if not as good as Gai. He knows more jutsus and has Mangekyu Sharingan as an ace which if served right will end the fight right there.
And where exactly has Gai fought "on equal grounds" with a sharingan user? All we got from that Itachi scene was that Gai was probably better at fighting a Sharingan user than Asuma and Kurenai. Doesn't mean he can actually survive against a sharinigan user.

1) Gai is pure Taijutsu. The fact that you believe Kakashi could be as good as him in TAIJUTSU is pure fiction....

2) What can his Mangekyu possibly do now? It takes a long time for him to stabilize after he uses it. And a lot more time to aim. In addition he couldnt even aim Deidara in the hear or something , to one-shot kill him. Hitting someones with Gai's speed is out of the question.

3) He has been called ''an experienced and (-->)DANGEROUS(<--) Jounin " by Itachi , the one who has the strongest Sharingan. Besides , Kakashi is Gai's rival for years. It was stated somewhere that they have fought many times. Inspecting ones ability , slowly hinders it power dude. Its only natural that his many fights against a Sharingan , would boost him tremendously in such a duel. While i was wrong on the ''equal grounds'' part , you cant deny that the Sharingan isnt that useful against him.

I would also like to Quote Tobi , to further strengthen my opinion.If my arguements are not enough , then read his.
Tobi:
"Gai takes this, Gai has explained a way to fight Sharingan users (Episode 80 or something) By concentrating on their feet and hands. Plus, he has gates, and possible weights, which he could last a lot longer than Rock Lee, sure Kakashi has got some experience with Taijutsu, but Gai is just pure Taijutsu.

As for the Mangekyou Sharingan, is takes ages, plus Kakashi has a hard time aiming, take a look at when he used it on Deidara, he kept moving about and it only took his arm off, now if we have Kakashi try it on Gai, Gai is a lot faster than Deidara.

Gai beat an Akatsuki using his gates, where as Kakashi hasn't. And I think when Lee took his weights off, Kakashi admitted his Sharingan not being able to keep up with the speed as Shukaku had a hard time, an actual Jinchuuriki had a hard time keeping up with someone with incredible speed that has been trained with someone with a lot more experience."

[Kuroudo]

Anyway, Ogichi wins hands down. I don't think something made of rubber can actually kill Ogichi.

Yea, James was sayin "Ichigo" in all those lines, but it goes like this.

Ogichi/Shirosaki > Uliquorra > Ichigo > Nightmare luffy.

and i quote the awsome Uliquorra of the espada.

"one minute his reiatsu is greater than mine the next he is trash ". - Uliquorra Schiffer 4th Espada.

Ogichi/Shirosaki is ichigo with allot more reiatsu and power and with a berzerker and a Muahahhahaha i will tottally kill cuz i think its fun! attitude. luffy loses, end of story.

[D3v]

1) Gai is pure Taijutsu. The fact that you believe Kakashi could be as good as him in TAIJUTSU is pure fiction....

You quoted me and still didn't read what I said? Where exactly did I say that Kakashi is "as good as him"? I said that Kakashi is great Taijutsu fighter himself. That was just to mention that though he is obviously not on the level of Gai, he is not a total n00b either.


2) What can his Mangekyu possibly do now? It takes a long time for him to stabilize after he uses it. And a lot more time to aim. In addition he couldnt even aim Deidara in the hear or something , to one-shot kill him. Hitting someones with Gai's speed is out of the question.

Again, read my post. I said if its used right, it will end the fight. I think everyone agrees that Kakshi's use of MS in any fight is a double edged sword. It can kill the enemy in the best possible scenario or make him lose the fight in the worst. Still, the fact that he has that option means that thats one more thing which Gai will have to take into account when fighting Kakshi.


3) He has been called ''an experienced and (-->)DANGEROUS(<--) Jounin " by Itachi , the one who has the strongest Sharingan.

Wait what?He never said that. He simply told Kisame not to take him lightly because of his appearance, which is THE most general advice anyone can give to someone who is about to fight a jounin.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/143/11/


Besides , Kakashi is Gai's rival for years. It was stated somewhere that they have fought many times. Inspecting ones ability , slowly hinders it power dude. Its only natural that his many fights against a Sharingan , would boost him tremendously in such a duel. While i was wrong on the ''equal grounds'' part , you cant deny that the Sharingan isnt that useful against him.

That cuts both ways, actually that goes more against Gai than Kakashi. Sasuke was able to match Lee's speed and technique(rather he even improved Lee's technique) in just a few days after only one fight with him. What makes you think Kakashi can't do the same, that too when Kakashi is a much more experienced and powerful fighter than what Sasuke was back then? Thats the most obvious weakness of Taijutsu, once someone starts to keep up with the speed and sees through the attack, it puts the pure taijutsu fighter in a total disadvantage.

Now think about Kakashi's arsenal of 1000+ jutsus and his sharingan eyes, and it becomes clear who has the advantage.


I would also like to Quote Tobi , to further strengthen my opinion.If my arguements are not enough , then read his.
Tobi:
"Gai takes this, Gai has explained a way to fight Sharingan users (Episode 80 or something) By concentrating on their feet and hands. Plus, he has gates, and possible weights, which he could last a lot longer than Rock Lee, sure Kakashi has got some experience with Taijutsu, but Gai is just pure Taijutsu.

Read above..


As for the Mangekyou Sharingan, is takes ages, plus Kakashi has a hard time aiming, take a look at when he used it on Deidara, he kept moving about and it only took his arm off, now if we have Kakashi try it on Gai, Gai is a lot faster than Deidara.

Read above..


Gai beat an Akatsuki using his gates, where as Kakashi hasn't.

When did that happen again? Oh you are talking about when they all were fighting against a 30% chakra copy? Oh then Naruto took out Itachi when a mere Kakshi's bunshin was just holding him still, that too with that retarded Omoeda(whatever) Rasengan!


And I think when Lee took his weights off, Kakashi admitted his Sharingan not being able to keep up with the speed as Shukaku had a hard time, an actual Jinchuuriki had a hard time keeping up with someone with incredible speed that has been trained with someone with a lot more experience."
Read tha chapter again when Sasuke is fighting Gaara. Sasuke matched Lee's speed in just a few days after being trained by Kakashi. Doesn't say much for the speed boost now does it?

[Alerane]

I liked Near, mostly because he was a great strategist, and planned ahead for almost any situation

[Phoenix-X]

They probably didnt like Near because he is almost smart as L and he is too childish. He plays with Lego. Well he smart as we all can see. Maybe the writer made him sound too smart. Maybe that why people didnt like him

[James Cizuz]

Yea, James was sayin "Ichigo" in all those lines, but it goes like this.
Ogichi/Shirosaki > Uliquorra > Ichigo > Nightmare luffy.
and i quote the awsome Uliquorra of the espada.
Ogichi/Shirosaki is ichigo with allot more reiatsu and power and with a berzerker and a Muahahhahaha i will tottally kill cuz i think its fun! attitude. luffy loses, end of story.
I said ichigo because ogichi is ichigo.

Ogichi is not more powerful then ichigo, most people don't get that ichigo does not have full control over his body, can not release his full power, or fight at his full speed, ogichi can use all the traits to the max, mainly because he works from the inside and can unlock full "access" to them, where in if ichigo used them, it would exhaust and break his body down.

Example, first time ogichi makes a appearance, ichigos bones clearly snapped under the pressure of moving as fast as he can.

But yeah..

[Kuroudo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/XXXG-00W0K.gif


VS

http://miotd.com/images/20070704.jpg

Pilot for Wing Zero is Heero and pilot for God/Burning Gundam is Domon.

Wing Zero Custom info (note CUSTOM, no shield)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Zero_Custom

God Gundam/Burning Gundam Info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Gundam

[Harvey Dent]

Burning would win only because of the Mobile Trace System in the cockpit. Heero is good but he can't pilot it with such precision and skill due to a technical flaw. Plus Domon is a Martial Artist so since the God Gundam can react to his every move he pretty much has this one beat hands down. The only advantage Heero and Wing have is the air really.

[Kuroudo]

this has nothing to do with the thread but, i overkilled domon in Dynasty Warriors: Gundam. that sucka couldnt lay a finger on me. but thats a game like i said nothing to relate to the subject.

[Shaftronics]

In space, Wing Zero has the advantage in mobility. Under gravity, there's still no challenge. The God Gundam isn't made for flight. Wing Zero is.
And, Domon needs to strategize and think.
Heero? The Zero system does that for him. All he does is pick an option and pilots the thing accordingly.

[James Cizuz]

Depends on pilot.

[Sher0uz]

*scene when light and misa are holding each other for a long ass time*

Ryuk: so.....uh.....nice weather we're having eh?
Rem: dont even think about it.

[ninjabot]

Actually, it doesn't depend on the pilot. Gundam Wing is a Real Robot series, and the Gundams on that series are limited to actual giant robot limitations (reaction time, ammo, pilot skills, etc.) The G Gundam series is a Super Robot series, thus the characters have DBZ style super moves and god-like strength. Heck, Domon and Master Asia kicked a building...an ENTIRE BUILDING into the sky without even using their gundams, and their strength is used through there Gundams. Domon even has a Kamehameha-esque energy blast called the Sekiha Tenkyouken. If he punched the Wing Zero once, he would shatter it into pieces.

Burning Gundam wins.

[Harvey Dent]

Actually, it doesn't depend on the pilot. Gundam Wing is a Real Robot series, and the Gundams on that series are limited to actual giant robot limitations (reaction time, ammo, pilot skills, etc.) The G Gundam series is a Super Robot series, thus the characters have DBZ style super moves and god-like strength. Heck, Domon and Master Asia kicked a building...an ENTIRE BUILDING into the sky without even using their gundams, and their strength is used through there Gundams. Domon even has a Kamehameha-esque energy blast called the Sekiha Tenkyouken. If he punched the Wing Zero once, he would shatter it into pieces.
Burning Gundam wins.

Not to mention that it has a Hyper Mode (Super Saiyan) There's no possible way the Zero System could predict the moves of the Burning Gundam.

[Kuroudo]

alright alright, the battlefield has been changed to space, because of Burning gundam/God Gundam's "DBZness" this will give Zero advantage, since Burning is already uber.

the whole the gundam moves when you move in the cockpit in the G gundam series was kinda "not" gundamish.

Wing Zero = Mobile Suit Gundam
Burning Gundam/God Gundam = a bigger version of you, except with guns armor and some special moves.

Zero System is the ultimate combat A.I in gundam,

show me where Zero could not predict the moves of the enemy.

btw: would Burning gundam survive a hit from the Twin Buster rifle? though i doubt he would stay still for that long.

[Shaftronics]

If he punched the Wing Zero once, he would shatter it into pieces.


May I add even when Gundam Wing SELF DESTRUCTED, the frame was still mainly there?

Maybe that'll tell you how fuckin' durable Gundarium Alloy was in that era.

[Silhouette]

*sighs* I thought this fight was pretty much over, so I decided to sit back... but alas. I haven't watched either series in a hell of a long time, so yeah..

Its a lot harder to predict the moves of a Gundam that's being moved like a person. As in, they move to move their Gundam, which is different than moving switchings.

Part of predicting the movement of a Gundam is knowing how its controlled. You'll know that say, a normal Gundam being moved to punch would have to go through several movements. Since G Gundams are piloted by moving around, it cuts down the amount of wasted movement - making it harder to predict.

Once again, Domon is a martial artist, so his Gundam is also - in a sense. Not to mention his Hyper Mode, which was already brought up - which increases the power and speed of the G Gundam.

Back to the martial arts aspect. I'm pretty sure that - given the timeline of G Gundam - Domon was trained to fight armed opponents. Meaning that he - in his Gundam - could more than likely disarm Zero.

That out there, there's also Burning Finger (why they didn't call it Burning Hand is beyond me), which is even stronger in Hyper Mode. Then there's also the Sekiha Tenkyouken... and Hyper Mode again...


Wow. That was pretty much rambling. *shrug* I'm too lazy to reread what I typed. So TAKE THAT! >: U

[edit]

May I add even when Gundam Wing SELF DESTRUCTED, the frame was still mainly there?

Maybe that'll tell you how fuckin' durable Gundarium Alloy was in that era.

Or you can say that the self destruct system failed at life and everything? I kid, I kid.

Maybe all Gundams are that durable? >.>

[Kuroudo]

so the fights in space now, Burning Gundam wasnt built for space battle and wing zero was built for aerial/space battle, the twin buster rifle is useless unless of course he can somehow destroy Burning gundams, boosters, arms, legs.etc But can the beam saber be disarmed? were talkin about plasma, super hot plasma in gundam, beam swords is the most powerful cutting substance, it eaisly cuts though mobile suits and gundams with ease. Domon only uses martial arts and two vulcan machine gun (which i thought were useless) i doubt he can block a plasma strike with his hands, Hyper mode may be able to. but in space Wing zero has the manuverability and speed advantage, so maybe he would get a Single buster shot in?

but i am sure that Burning God Finger (or whatever) is strong if not stronger than plasma swords, because it is able to literally burn though the alloy. Domons ultimate attack is a ranged version, (kamehameha but its a ball instead of a beam?) It is a 1-hit kill as most plasma > weapons are in Gundam. but its ranged so it will be easier to dodge in space.

a funny thing, the whole burning finger thing =

I stick my middle finger at you and you autmatically get engulfed in flames, now THAT is true power.


btw: the Wing Zero + gundams, (Deathscythe Hell, Talgeese III Epyon, Heavyarms Custom, Naraku gundam (or sometin). distengrate when destroyed. Wing zero is still intact its arms, left leg and its head were destroyed, the main body and right leg remain.

[Shaftronics]

I'm aware. If the older variant had that much armor, why not its predecessor? And no matter what, I'd say a rifle made for firing high-intensity beams will last longer than a pair of golden fists firing a kame-hame-ha-esque attack. <_<

[Silhouette]

Um. Correct me if I'm wrong - because my memory on both anime is rather foggy - but didn't Burning Gundam fight in space anyway? Just because it doesn't have wings, doesn't mean it can't fly... Most Gundams are built for air battles anyway.

And changing the scenery of the fight just to make Zero win is rather lame, though I doubt it helps him as much as you guys are trying to say. Because, once again, B Gundam can fly and whatnot.

Beam Sabers have handles, which can be grabbed. It can also be dodged. Hyper Mode would definately block a beam saber, not to mention his special attacks in Hyper Mode would be more than enough to destroy most Gundams.

Also remember that this is a fight between pilots technically. If Heero dies within the cockpit, then its pretty much game-over, no?

In short, with the much faster reaction time given by the type of controls they have in G Gundam, not to mention power-ups and whatnot, I think Domon has this fight.

[Kuroudo]

I'm aware. If the older variant had that much armor, why not its predecessor? And no matter what, I'd say a rifle
Talgeese I
v
Wing Zero (Unfinished)
v v v v v
Sandrock Shenlong Deathscythe Heavy arms Wing

The powers of Wing Zero were split up into the 5 gundams, Wing being the overall, Sand rock being melee power, Shenlong being melee combat, Deathscythe being melee and stealth, Heavy arms being ranged combat.

Um. Correct me if I'm wrong - because my memory on both anime is rather foggy - but didn't Burning Gundam fight in space anyway? Just because it doesn't have wings, doesn't mean it can't fly... Most Gundams are built for air battles anyway.

Yes and no God gundam did fight in space, though it was built more for ground combat as the gundams in G Gundam were built for earth combat due to its purpose to fight for their country in a competion on earth (i forget what the winner gets?) Shining Gundam was an outdated gundam that was used in the fights before G Gundam, Burning Gundam/God Gundam was in production while Domon was fighting the other countries.

And changing the scenery of the fight just to make Zero win is rather lame, though I doubt it helps him as much as you guys are trying to say. Because, once again, B Gundam can fly and whatnot.


sry, i havent watched G gundam in so long, i forgot how strong they were.


Beam Sabers have handles, which can be grabbed. It can also be dodged. Hyper Mode would definately block a beam saber, not to mention his special attacks in Hyper Mode would be more than enough to destroy most Gundams.

Gundam Wing Zero has two beam sabers, idk but they seem to be more powerful than the average beam saber all beam sabers in the Mobile Suit gundam series and Gundam Wing series have purple sabers. only Epyon, Naraku and Wing Zero Custom have Green sabers. Beam sabers are enough to destroy a gundam, hyper mode is not needed, as its just an addon to increase speed and attack power. Forgot about the hyper mode version of the God finger ranged so now thats

Twin buster vs God Finger ranged Hyper mode.

God finger hyper mode has more than enough power to destroy a large wall in the Devil Gundam combined with the Neo-Japan colony. However Twin buster rifle had always enough power to destroy an entire colony as seen in the last episodes.

made for firing high-intensity beams will last longer than a pair of golden fists firing a kame-hame-ha-esque attack. <_<

so Twin Buster rifle vs Domon's super special giant gundam DBZ style ball attack?

Twin buster rifle = two forces with the ability of destroying miles if not the entire colony. This is questionable is why that the Buster rifle could not destroy the bunker in Endless Waltz with 1 shot? btw: that movie may or may not be cannocial all i know is that the Angel, White and blue design is canon. It fires a single (3max) long beam of energy, not being released all at once, slows down the amount of time that the beam fires.

Domons Super ranged ball of DBZness attack: (i swear that attack with rain at the end of the show was uber mega cheesy) so God Finger is a x2 version of the Burning finger of Shining Gundam, the ranged version is a x3 of the God Finger but in a ranged, spherical form. It is capable of burning though a colony, with a power similar to the Twin Buster rifle but in a shorter time and faster of releasing of the energy, which would cause the ball to dissipate its energy faster than the Twin Buster rifle, it has nearly the same power level of the Twin buster but it is a smaller scale (about the size of a gundams waist is the atcual size of the ball)

So if the Twin Buster rifle and the ranged God finger fired at the same time we are talking about. Which is truly more powerful?

Force of Twin Buster Rifle --------> X <-------- Force of God Finger Ranged


Also remember that this is a fight between pilots technically. If Heero dies within the cockpit, then its pretty much game-over, no?

Heero is a tool, he lives to fight he believes he has no meaning in his life but to fight. He does not care for his safety only for the safety of others. Hes like a robot, he says creepy things like when him and Relenna went to a school on a colony he said "the next time i see you, i'll kill you". The only time Heero was kinda normal when he was by himself. but in combat he says things like "mission complete" "enemy targeted" and stuff like that.

[QUOTE]In short, with the much faster reaction time given by the type of controls they have in G Gundam, not to mention power-ups and whatnot, I think Domon has this fight.

Wing Zero is faster than God gundam in space, as god gundam is faster than wing zero on earth. Zero System and Heero's reacation times are, idk im not sure about Domon but i can say that since they brought "Ki" into G Gundam he can probaby sense his enemies coming.

[Shaftronics]

with the much faster reaction time given by the type of controls they have in G Gundam

Just so you know, Domon will feel pain when the Gundam gets hit. ;D

[Kuroudo]

Just so you know, Domon will feel pain when the Gundam gets hit. ;D

Forgot about that, the only part that isnt hurt is the head. unlike the Eva's, if your head is exploded you get an uber migrand, ouch.

If domon is hit by a force able to destroy an entire colony, that will hurt him plenty.

[M_Ghey]

ill wait for all of them to be out probably, and watch them all since im a NGE fan.

*waits for Nood to come in and flame NGE*

[Blue]

Are they live action?

[.Rik-uh-shey]

Are they live action?

No, really the only difference is a gloss effect and the artwork looks a little more up to date.

[Damascus]

Hey y'all, I started a Death Note fandub on the Voice Acting Alliance website. I'm going to need a huge cast what with extras and all, so I'm spreading the word. :3

http://voiceactingalliance.com/board/showthread.php?t=28236

[Tobi]

Wow awesome, make sure you get someone with a strong English accent for Watari since he grew up in England.

[Kimochi]

Kira MUST sound deep too.. since he's evil..

[Kenji]

Near's mah fav :D.

He's smart
He's like 12
and He doesn't care

They probably hated him because he makes them look dumb *Huggles Near doll*

[Kenji]

Light: Hah dumbasses they spelled killer wrong!
Light: What if the Death Note could give life?

[Guts]

Claymore, Gutt's speed is limited to more human levels from what I've seen.

That is pretty obvious, but you should know Guts in his berserker armour has already surpassed human level (as describe by Grunbeld in volume 26)



And his speed wasn't that slow either. we all know he has a very powerful reflexes and he uses stragey to fight beside pure skills and brute strength.


To say at the very least, Guts is obviously stronger than Clare in first 3 volumes of Claymore.

[The_Irving]

Okay, well a normal zealot would be massacred. They don't nearly move as fast as a Bankai-Vaizard Ichigo. If the zealot could land a hit, it would win, but Ichigo's just too fast, and he could also OHKO a zealot. Maybe if this was Fenix, Zeratul, or even Tassadar.

[EndlessSky]

The Belgian newspaper Het Belang van Limburg reported on November 24 that the police have no concrete leads in the two-month-old case of body parts found near notes linked to the Death Note manga. On September 28, two hikers found a human torso and two thighs in Duden Park in the city of Saint-Gilles. Police later determined the shaven parts came from a Caucasian male individual. No identification or personal effects were found on the body parts, but two pieces of paper were found nearby with the same message in Roman capital letters: "WATASHI WA KIRA DESS." This is an apparent misspelling of the Japanese phrase "Watashi wa Kira desu," or "I am Kira (Killer)," that is used in Tsugumi Ooba and Takeshi Obata's Death Note suspense manga series.

The Belgian press have nicknamed the case "Mangamoord" ("Manga Murder" in Dutch), although the police officials emphasize that they cannot rule conclusively that the case was indeed murder. They also note that they have found no further connection between the manga and the case, despite the two notes. The circumstances of the real-life case were not similar to those of any fictional portrayal of death in the manga series.

Other leads in the case have also been fruitless. No missing person was reported whose description matches the body parts. The only potential witness that has come forward was a jogger that said she saw a blond man lying down in the area where the body parts were discovered. However, she could not provide any more clues. The police initially concluded that the apparent victim was still alive no more than 48 hours before the hikers' discovery, but later acknowledged that the body parts could have been preserved by freezing, long before being left at the scene.

The police also initially hypothesized that this could be a prank by medical students, due to the almost surgical precision with which the body parts were cut and the discovery's timing, which coincided with the beginning of the school year in Belgium. However, the faculty of the medical department of the Free University of Brussels indicated that it would be improbable for missing parts from classroom cadavers or the moratorium to have gone unnoticed. The police have not ruled out the possibility yet.

The police also hypothesized that this might be the work of a psychopath, particularly since there were five unsolved murders of women in the Belgian city of Mons (Bergen in Dutch) between 1996 and 1997. However, there have been no similar incident since September, and the police have not announced a concrete link with the earlier cases in Mons.

Taken from

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-11-27/police-reach-dead-end-in-belgian-manga-murder-case

[The_Irving]

Well that's just morbid. Somehow, I'm leaning towards the psychopath theory.

[Miyagi Rikku]

I think there was already a similar thread for this topic.

[EndlessSky]

Whoops, I think you are right, feel free to delete it then.

[Bamboobie]

..I think he's a 'hot' head inside, but he was careful about what he let get through to the outside. He had an image to uphold.

Whenever L would suspect Light as Kira, Light would get really frustrated on the inside.

[T2G]

got to admit: after seeing ep. 26 and L's death and all... the introduction of Near and Mello felt a bit fillerish... but as i kept watching and following the new 'mini'plot, i started to like their personalities (episode 37 _O_ )...

but still... there's only 1 true L ;)

[Shadow Glare]

It is an old anime but its still going on, slowly, but it still is.

its a shonen sentai anime all about the zodiac and constellations of greek mythology (a very basic description)

it has its shonen moments like usualy (their dead..no they aint they come back and win etc lol)

just wondering if anybody has an interest in this anime or know about it as much as I do here?

[Seiya]

I love Saint Seiya, ever since I was a kid, in fact I am currently working on a fan website, it is over at http://www.SaintSeiyaFans.com

Me and my friend, are hoping, to make it the biggest saint seiya fan website, and hopefully to continue our great series :) and raise interest in the usa :cool:

[Shadow Glare]

well..sweet.

if you get it up and running ill be happy to join :D

[inuichigo]

InuYasha might be even to Ichigo if Kagome, Sango, and Miroku all helped and InuYasha was in youkai state, but InuYasha would probably kill Kagome, Sango, and Miroku first. :sad

[ninjabot]

Ok, I remember the Buster Rifle being labled as the strongest AC Gundam weapon in gundam history, so we'll give it the win over Sekiha Tenkyouken. Good thing there's Burning Sekiha Tenkyouken, and if that's not enough, "Hyper-Mode Sekiha Tenkyouken". I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Hyper-mode Burning Sekiha Tenkyouken...

Anyway, Burning Gundam also has a beam sabre, and we forget his other super moves. Burning Shadow, inwhich his goes all shadow clone jutsu on his opponent, making 10 copies of himself. Burning Slash, where he channels ki into his beam saber to deliver a super powered slash. He used it to cut Neo Nepal's gundam to pieces with one strike. Burning Field Dash where he uses the glowing ring behind his back to propel him at high speeds like a rocket. I'm almost positive there are more moves I'm forgetting, but those are enough to seal the win.

[badboychris91]

For some reason everybody thinkgs Adult Swim is going to show 37 episodes of death note making the return of bleach like in july!

-thisis not the case-

Only 17 episodes of Death note have been baught by Adult Swim and it is already on episode 7!... so bleach will return in 10 weeks at the end of february maximum!

dont worry.. the wait isntas long as you think

i personally am not going to watch the subs because i love the dubbs too much!

hope i cleared things up for people!

[nx6]

Do you have a source for that? 'Cause I don't think Adult Swim would be dumb enough to buy half a series as lauded as Death Note.

[Barbaroi]

Actually if you check Wikipedia it stops showing english airing dates at the 17the episode, leaving the other 17 episodes set for sometime (unknown) in 2008. Based off that, I could say that he's probably right, but I guess that's not exactly complete proof, but it does say something. I believe he's right though based off what I've seen.

[Princess Gheyfu]

It's because WIki follows the schedule on adult swim's website, which stops when DN reaches ep 17. It's not that DN will stop at 17, not at all, it's that [as] still needs to update their schedule.