Hitsugaya's Bankai vs Renji's Bankai ?

[Azalea]

Seeing that Hitsugaya hasnt completely mastered his bankai and Renji still hasnt mastered his yet, who would win if they'd go one on one?

Hitsu's bankai is a dragon thing and Renji's bankai is a snake thing, almost similar

[Sanzora]

They may be similar and neither of them may have mastered their Bankais yet, but I would have to go with Hitsugaya's Bankai taking the cake. One thing Hitsugaya's bankai has that Renji's doesn't is an elemental advantage... Renji's Bankai depaends largely on its flexibility. If Hitsugaya were to disable that advantage by freezing it into place or limiting the passage it needed to get an effective attack, I think that could be a huge disadvantage for Renji

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

i also thinks hitsugaya will win... although his bankai is still pretty weak and he could not control it yet, he still could beat renji... in experience and how well they can control their bankai... yea n just like Sanzora said, just freezing renji's bankai in its place will cause renji a hella lot of trouble..

[Ryukuu]

I agree with the others, i think Hitsugaya's would win, because of the freeze special attack.. :)

Also,
Hitsugaya is a captain, Renji's a lieutenant. There's a huge skill-difference between them. Although, Renji's probably physically stronger, but Hitsugaya may be smarter.. Um.. :D


I voted Hitsugaya

[wr80]

They may be similar and neither of them may have mastered their Bankais yet, but I would have to go with Hitsugaya's Bankai taking the cake. One thing Hitsugaya's bankai has that Renji's doesn't is an elemental advantage... Renji's Bankai depaends largely on its flexibility. If Hitsugaya were to disable that advantage by freezing it into place or limiting the passage it needed to get an effective attack, I think that could be a huge disadvantage for Renji
Not to mention it's connecting with spirit energy so a destructive art like Byakuya did would confuse it's movements.

[T_Ichigo]

lol this thread is nonsense ... of course Hitsugaya would win, he's a captain and Renji is such a VC, and the level difference is quite big lol .. no more details, I think that's obvious

[Haidaes]

If there is nothing else to renjis bankai than beeing big and because of that the ability to crush things he will defnetly loose. If hitsu freezes his bankai he is already in a position where he is almost defeated. Disconecting the siongle segments wouldnt help him either. Tbh I think renjis bankai looks impressive but its weak ... if there is nothing else to it at least.

[Hotaru]

i think that ppl should really stop this sort of thng but i voted Hitsugaya anyway ^^"....

[chakra25]

This is an obvious fight... Hitsugaya will win. The level between a Captain and a Vice-Captain is big. Hitsugaya seemed alot quicker and skilled.

[Haidaes]

Well to just tell from the lvl renji is already captain lvl (at least in the manga) if you ask me. His bankai were just plain useless against byakuas bankai. But hitsu might be more expirienced I have to admit.

[Nicole]

I'd say Hitsu's bankai, for the freezing reason and the elemental edge it has to it.

Renji's pretty strong, I think. And when he fought against Byakuya, who I thought was a rather skilled, able captain, he didn't get his bankai not to long ago and had not a lot of mastery over it; whereas Byakuya had a pretty good mastery over his. Assuming Hitsugaya hasn't been a captain too long, and don't have complete mastery over his as well, I'd say him and Renji would be on equal levels in terms of bankai. Hitsugaya just has the elemental advantage.

It's hard to say, because Renji may just be staying in the 6th division to be Byakuya's subordinate, or for other reasons. I'd elaborate with manga details, but since this is the anime section, I'll refrain from that.

[Ai]

definatly Hits's win..

As was said before...once renjis bankai is frozen he can't do much..unless he uses his ritsui to melt the ice...which i doubt...

Once thats done Hit's can pick him apart...

[Gordon Freeman]

If renji's bankai would get frozen, renji can just scatter his bankai into parts (like he did against byakuya) then the ice would break..

But hell yeah, histugaya would win

[AznPoi]

OMG

The answer is obvious. Hitsugaya will win.....

[Mel_Luvz_Anime]

Well obviously everyone is correct, coz no arguments Hitsugaya would win... He's a Captain, and definitely has an elemental advantage coz Theres really not much else Renji can do when his Bankai Zabimaru gets frozen. Hitsu definitely has that type advantage but also the skills and experience that goes along with it, Renji, no matter how physically strong he may be he's not able to win against Hitsu and his fighting skills, even though we dont see much of it u can tell that he's quick to suss out a situation and adapt to it... well theres not much adaptation required if these 2 were to fight, coz Renji would get his ass frozen lol

[AzNrIcErZbOi]

"This is a mismatch, their bankai's should not be compared."

One of them is captain, and the other is a VC..

[suteki_soulignited]

hey this is not fair...renji is just a fukutaichou...(& my lover too haha)hitsu is the 10th taichou..plus renji is starting learning his skills in bankai...youll see
hyorinmaru & zabimaru
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/wit_suteki/my%20renji/iwillprotectu4ever.jpg:doindadom

[SHiKaMaRi]

Like most of them said before, I strongly agree that Hitsugaya will win. With Hyourinmaru and his smartass brain, I don't believe that Renji can defeat Hitsugaya.

[Undying]

If you leave the owners of each bankai out for a moment, and ignore fandom thinking for a moment, you'll see this is either a draw or Renji's wins.

Hihou Zabimaru's range of movement is by far greater than Dai Guren Hyourinmaru's (seeing the Dai Guren Hyourinmaru is glued to Hitsugaya, so unless he moves the bankai is immobile), as well as its flexibility and manouverability.

Without the owner, Hihou Zabiamru FTW.

However, should we take the owners into consideration here, we must add their ability, speed, mnouvers and above all else, tactical and stratigical thinking. In this case, Hitsugaya would win, because he is a tacticl genius, and although Renji may very well be on his level potential wise (because neither has reached their peak, or anywhere near to it), and also, his monouverability and dodging ability is better than the bulky Hihiou Zabimaru's (unless Renji reveals he is way faster), since he's smaller (yeah, midgets are hard o catch, especially when they run around like vermin).

Hence, so far as we know, Hitsugaya will win, if you include the owners. Without the owners though, Hihiou Zabimaru pwnes.

[Exodus]

My vote will go to Hitsugaya.

I am sure he can find the flaw to Renji's tactics

[Dounick]

omg, htsugaya of course
hes a bloddy captain
and hes pwnage to boot :LOL:

[yumisan]

i pick hitsuguya's bankai.his a captain and i think he should have more experience in using bankai than renji.

[Haidaes]

If renji's bankai would get frozen, renji can just scatter his bankai into parts (like he did against byakuya) then the ice would break..

But hell yeah, histugaya would win

Eh I dont think so .. If you put some balls into an Icemassive like a glacier even if they are not conected they are still surounded by ALOT of ice.

@Undying .. umm ... what do you think would happen to Renjis Bankai after one of hitsus "frezze everything in front of you" atks ? Maybe the basic structure of hitsus shikai could own renjis bankai if it wasnt for the power difference bankai/shikai.
I dont see why renjis bankai should have more range .. As far as weve seen Hitsus bankai can frezze everything in its area of effect. I still think no chance for renji at all. Maybe if he would have something like cero that he could fire with zabimarus mounth , then he could at least try to counter an ice atk. Oh and i dont want to mention the millenium iceprison (only know this name atm , sorry)

[hellrockz]

renji bankai last longer but he canoot control it quite well and hitsu can though and he is a captain after all

[Undying]

@Undying .. umm ... what do you think would happen to Renjis Bankai after one of hitsus "frezze everything in front of you" atks ? Maybe the basic structure of hitsus shikai could own renjis bankai if it wasnt for the power difference bankai/shikai.
I dont see why renjis bankai should have more range .. As far as weve seen Hitsus bankai can frezze everything in its area of effect. I still think no chance for renji at all. Maybe if he would have something like cero that he could fire with zabimarus mounth , then he could at least try to counter an ice atk. Oh and i dont want to mention the millenium iceprison (only know this name atm , sorry)
Remember, Hihiou Zabimaru can smash through the ice easily, due to its sheer size. Imagine something the size of a mountain, with at least some momentum, crashin into something no bigger than a ten-year-old. Of ourse Hihiou Zabimaru can defeat Dai Guren Hyourinmaru, if the owners are not involved in the fight.

Now as for the Millenium Ice Prison, this attack evidently needs time to prepeare, and Hyourinmaru would be ice shards long before it can load the attack. Of course, that is all assuming Hitsugaya and Renji aren't fighting in it, and we only compare the bankai itself.

[DarkShadow]

Hitsugaya would win obviously. Hitsugaya seems to have mastered his bankai (though he needs a little more work), and Renji is still trying. Also that Renji is a VC while Hitsugaya is a Captian, there is some difference in power level between those two.

[Byakuya Teichou]

The difference in level between a vice-Captain and a Captain is evident that the Vice Captain does not stand a chance.

[don kon]

Hitsugaya's would win renji still hasn't mastered his bankai but if he did it would be a draw.

[Undying]

Evidentaly everyone who has posted in this thread ignores me. You hurt my feelings.

[Snuffle]

If you leave the owners of each bankai out for a moment, and ignore fandom thinking for a moment, you'll see this is either a draw or Renji's wins.
Hihou Zabimaru's range of movement is by far greater than Dai Guren Hyourinmaru's (seeing the Dai Guren Hyourinmaru is glued to Hitsugaya, so unless he moves the bankai is immobile), as well as its flexibility and manouverability.
Without the owner, Hihou Zabiamru FTW.
However, should we take the owners into consideration here, we must add their ability, speed, mnouvers and above all else, tactical and stratigical thinking. In this case, Hitsugaya would win, because he is a tacticl genius, and although Renji may very well be on his level potential wise (because neither has reached their peak, or anywhere near to it), and also, his monouverability and dodging ability is better than the bulky Hihiou Zabimaru's (unless Renji reveals he is way faster), since he's smaller (yeah, midgets are hard o catch, especially when they run around like vermin).
Hence, so far as we know, Hitsugaya will win, if you include the owners. Without the owners though, Hihiou Zabimaru pwnes.


Lol Undying finally someone that is'nt mesmerized by Hitsugaya! I would also say that renji's bankai would have a good chance as long as he could keep up with hitsugay, and I doubt hitsugaya is as fast as Byakuya.

I wish people would stop saying there such a huge difference in power between Captains and Vice captains. Renji is probably at or near captain level, considering he has bankai and all. At one point all the captains were VC or lower, how do you know when they make that transition? Saying they make some sort of huge power leap in a instant is pretty dumb IMO.:rolleye09

[Snuffle]

Evidentaly everyone who has posted in this thread ignores me. You hurt my feelings.

Dont say that, Im backing ya up here! Plus ya gotta figure all the little youngen's just love hitsugaya. You know how those arguments can be.:whatevah:

[gdo01]

Lol Undying finally someone that is'nt mesmerized by Hitsugaya! I would also say that renji's bankai would have a good chance as long as he could keep up with hitsugay, and I doubt hitsugaya is as fast as Byakuya.
I wish people would stop saying there such a huge difference in power between Captains and Vice captains. Renji is probably at or near captain level, considering he has bankai and all. At one point all the captains were VC or lower, how do you know when they make that transition? Saying they make some sort of huge power leap in a instant is pretty dumb IMO.:rolleye09
Well I suppose that a Captain has to have reasonable control of their bankai in order to become Captain. If I was Yamamoto, I would not let Renji become Captain until he could control the massiveness of Hihiou Zabimaru or else it could cause a lot of unnecessary collateral damage and could hurt Renji himself. A bankai itself increases your power to captain level but that means nothing if you cannot control the power. I believe that once a vice-captain reaches bankai, he/she has to have the confidence that they can control it before they decide they want to become captain. That's why Renji asked Ikkaku to take over 3rd, 5th, or 9th squad instead of suggesting himself. Ikkaku has control of his bankai and can therefore easily become a captain if he wished, while Renji would have a hard time convincing the other captains of his control of his bankai.
So I voted for Hitsugaya. He's a captain for a reason unlike Renji who has not asked to become a captain despite the fact he could.

[Nodin]

Whats with all the Hitsugaya vs Fandom? Yes Hitsugaya will win he is Caption and Renji is VC. Hitsugaya has had his bankai longer. Does that make you HAPPY?! :face82:

[chiking1]

IF you're comparing bankai... then you can't compare THEM, because right now Renji would get pwned... but if they had the same strength, i'd say RENJI, because Hitsugaya can't get close enough to hit him with his sword.

[Nicole]

Haha. I'm a huge Renji fangirl and I even said Hitsugaya would win. And remember, Hitsugaya can use all the water in the air.

In terms of time, not knowing how long Hitsu's been a captain, apparently during the Soul Society arc, along with Ichigo, is when Renji achieved bankai. Hitsu's already a captain at the time, so he probably achieved bankai before that, giving him time to master it and stuff. I just don't feel that Renji has the mastery level comparable to Hitsugaya to win. Though knowing Renji, he'd put up a pretty damn good fight.

In a non-bankai fight... Renji would have a lot more of a chance and possibly win, but we're not comparing that at the moment.

[firebug]

Hitsugaya was seconds away from defeating Gin, another captain class enemy who *did* have size and experience on his side; and he did it WITHOUT using Bankai.

Sorry, but that seals it in my book.

[Azalea]

If you leave the owners of each bankai out for a moment, and ignore fandom thinking for a moment, you'll see this is either a draw or Renji's wins.

Hihou Zabimaru's range of movement is by far greater than Dai Guren Hyourinmaru's (seeing the Dai Guren Hyourinmaru is glued to Hitsugaya, so unless he moves the bankai is immobile), as well as its flexibility and manouverability.

Without the owner, Hihou Zabiamru FTW.

However, should we take the owners into consideration here, we must add their ability, speed, mnouvers and above all else, tactical and stratigical thinking. In this case, Hitsugaya would win, because he is a tacticl genius, and although Renji may very well be on his level potential wise (because neither has reached their peak, or anywhere near to it), and also, his monouverability and dodging ability is better than the bulky Hihiou Zabimaru's (unless Renji reveals he is way faster), since he's smaller (yeah, midgets are hard o catch, especially when they run around like vermin).

Hence, so far as we know, Hitsugaya will win, if you include the owners. Without the owners though, Hihiou Zabimaru pwnes.

Undying I love you! It seems your the only one who fully understands why I made this thread :D

[jemz09]

Hitsugaya's a captain, his skills is ranked as captain level so whether or not he mastered his Bankai, he'll win against Renji who also havent mastered his Bankai. Also who knows when Hitsugaya acquired his Bankai? Maybe a lot of years before Renji acquired his.

So even if he still hasnt mastered his Bankai but he acquired it a looong time ago, he's still at a advantage since he knows how to use it properly. Unlike Renji who uses it instantly after acquiring his Bankai.. >.>

[*Hollow*Ichigo]

"no comment" Hitsugayas WOULD DEFINETELY WIN!!! renji has no experience controling it seen from the battle from bakuyaka's bankai....

[buituyenjr]

vice capt cannot win captain right? plus hitsugaya can freeze the snake of renji

[*Hollow*Ichigo]

yea but his reitsu is strong enough to break through ice and his bankai is invulnerable supplying it with the rite amount of reitsu...but hitsugaya wins his bankai IS THE SHTTTT!!!!

[Azalea]

Well maybe renji could win if he survives until hitsugaya's petals are gone :D

[IcYxWiNd]

htis would win

[Zanga]

Hitsugaya was seconds away from defeating Gin, another captain class enemy who *did* have size and experience on his side; and he did it WITHOUT using Bankai.
Sorry, but that seals it in my book.

I'm sorry, when did Hitsugaya actually make Ichigmaru go serious? All I remember was Gin smiling the whole damn fight, Hitsugay wouldve lost if Gin went serious.


But Hitsugaya would win for once against Renji so yeh.

[Telvanni]

I don't believe that these 2 should be matched at this Time we have yet to even see more than just increased power from renji so hell he might soo be able to hit someone from halfway across the world we just don't yet know the true extent of either blades so it's kinda pointless to even compare them yet

[Reklaw X]

I've gotta go with Hitsu, he has the experience over Renji with his bankai.
And he is still a captain. Even if he is the weakest captain.

[IcYxWiNd]

lol if renji became a captin then he would be the weakest lol.

[kaede822]

Renji hasn't totally controlled his bankai yet... i mean, he's not yet used to it and he hasnt developed much of his skills with his bankai... although yeah, hitsu might not be as strong... but i think he knows his bankai form more since he has had it for a longer time

[Aerys]

Obviously, Hitsugaya will win.

It's been explained already the large power gap between a captain and vice-captain.

[Bi Ryu]

Hitsugaya most likely trained his bankai in the same fashion as many of the other captains, taking him 10 years likely, instead of 2.5 days like Renji. also there are 2 weaknesses that are easy to take advantage of in Hihou Zabimaru:

1) it's incredibly slow and difficult to maneuver, esp since he still wields it like a normal sword (or at the very least, like his shikai)

2) it is completely dependent on Renji's movement, if he is bound, he's SOL

however, the main weakness Daiguren Hyorinmaru has (that someone would try to take advantage of) is time.

[Ti1301]

zabimaru = FROZEN STIFF

[rukia723]

I agree with the others, i think Hitsugaya's would win, because of the freeze special attack..

Also,
Hitsugaya is a captain, Renji's a lieutenant. There's a huge skill-difference between them. Although, Renji's probably physically stronger, but Hitsugaya may be smarter.. Um..


I voted Hitsugaya
same