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AzNrIcErZbOi
07-20-2006, 02:57 PM
I have thought of lots of things that have bothered me and here they are:
1. About how old is Hitsugaya?
He is NOT really 12 years old. Remember the flashbacks of Renji, Hinamori, Kira, and Hitsugaya? That was pretty long ago. So Hitsugaya is actually older then Ichigo? Wouldn't that mean that Ichigo is the "boy genius" prodigy thing?

2. What would happen if Ichigo dies?
Will he go to Rukongai and become a true shinigami? Or is it that since he already became a shinigami, he lost his chance of a second life?

3. When you're killed in human form, you become a spirit and wait for a shinigami to send you to Soul Society. What about Ichigo's mom and Uryuu's Grandpa? They died from hollow attacks (That Fisher thing ate his mom and hollows killed Grandpa Ishida). I don't think they would become a hollow because they were humans at that time. So, did Ichigo's mom and Ishida Uryuu's Grandpa go to Soul Society or become a hollow, like Orihime's brother?

4. What the hell is Ururu? Did Urahara make her? If he did, then she must be a mod-soul because Urahara can only create the gigai and mod-soul (for instance: Nova, Rinrin, Cloud).

5. Did Zaraki Kenpachi go to Shinigami school? He was pretty old in his flashbacks before becoming a Shinigami. So if he did go to the Shinigami school, he would've been middle-aged. That would make no sense because all the people in Shinigami school looked young. And if he did, I can also conclude that old people and middle-aged people would be in the schools, even though the flashbacks of Kira/Hinamori/Renji showed only teenagers.

6. If arrancars are hollows given shinigami powers by Aizen's ball thing, then what happens if you kill an arrancar using a zanpakutou? Will the arrancar go to heaven/hell (hollows are humans)?

Silhouette
07-20-2006, 04:13 PM
1. Hitsugaya's age? I think between 50-100. *shrugs*

2. Ichigo can't die. Ever. He is invincible. Haven't you seen his fights?

3. No clue. :/

4. I believe she is a mod-soul.

5. No. I don't believe he did. He only became a captian because he killed one.. Plus, I can't picture Kenpachi sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher, can you? o.O

Nicole
07-20-2006, 05:16 PM
1) No clue... Other than Ichigo, his classmates, and Rukia, no one else's age is revealed.

2) I think if he died, in human form, he'd go to rukongai. If in Shinigami form, he'd go wherever the other shinigami go when they die.

3) Not really sure... Although, if I recall correctly, Uryuu's grandpa was killed by shinigamis, not hollows.

4) I think she's a mod-soul.

5) No, Zaraki didn't go to shinigami school. He killed the 11th division captain becoming the next captain... Zaraki doesn't even have a zanpakutou.

gdo01
07-20-2006, 05:21 PM
3) Not really sure... Although, if I recall correctly, Uryuu's grandpa was killed by shinigamis, not hollows.
5) No, Zaraki didn't go to shinigami school. He killed the 11th division captain becoming the next captain... Zaraki doesn't even have a zanpakutou.
Uryuu was killed by hollows because shinigami let him be killed. Zaraki does have a zanpakutou and used it to kill the former captain.

As for Zaraki in shinigami school, I don't know. He had a shinigami uniform on when he defeated the former captain and could not have gotten inside Seireitei if he wasn't a shinigami unless he snuck in.

_mike_
07-20-2006, 09:01 PM
maybe he didnt sneak in, coz the shinigami already knew who he was. and how power hungry he is. so it is impossible for him to have snuck in coz they wouldve attacked him before even fighting the captain

AzNrIcErZbOi
07-20-2006, 09:28 PM
Updated. Added a manga question. Edited Question 1.

Undying
07-21-2006, 12:02 PM
Here you go... look for the blue text.
I have thought of lots of things that have bothered me and here they are:
1. About how old is Hitsugaya?
He is NOT really 12 years old. Remember the flashbacks of Renji, Hinamori, Kira, and Hitsugaya? That was pretty long ago. So Hitsugaya is actually older then Ichigo? Wouldn't that mean that Ichigo is the "boy genius" prodigy thing?
True enough. Hitsuagaya is older than fifty, but it is not known how old exactly. That makes him waaaaaaay older than Ichigo.
And for the second part of your question, yes, that indeed makes Ichigo the bot-genius. Bad luck that Hitsugaya was in Soul Society long before Ichigo was. But of course, it doesn't make Ichigo better than Hitsuagya in terms of Captainicy, because Toshiro became a Captain at such a young age (Soul Society standards), and while Ichigo has the power of one, he is no Captain. Hence it is Toshiro who is the boy genius and not Ichigo.
2. What would happen if Ichigo dies?
Will he go to Rukongai and become a true shinigami? Or is it that since he already became a shinigami, he lost his chance of a second life?
If Ichigo dies then Bleach ends. But in truth, should he die in his spirit form, then most likely he is already dead and will die permamently, because he is already a spirit. But if he dies while still in his human body, then he will just leave it and be in his spirit form.
Oh and he already is a Shinigami. It's just that according to the laws of Soul Society, he isn't one. Otherwise, he is a perfect Shinigami. Sword and all.
3. When you're killed in human form, you become a spirit and wait for a shinigami to send you to Soul Society. What about Ichigo's mom and Uryuu's Grandpa? They died from hollow attacks (That Fisher thing ate his mom and hollows killed Grandpa Ishida). I don't think they would become a hollow because they were humans at that time. So, did Ichigo's mom and Ishida Uryuu's Grandpa go to Soul Society or become a hollow, like Orihime's brother?
About Ichigo's mother, Masaki was eaten by Grand Fisher and became fodder to increase his power. Thus, her soul never reached Soul Society. Her soul was devoured and destroyed. You don't expect the food you eat to suddenly jusp at you, right? :D.
As for Ishida Soken, Mayuri states that he specifically made sure than he would be killed (or at least, his phisical body was dead), and took his soul to Soul Society in order to experiment on a Quincy.
Neither Kurosaki Masaki nor Ishida Soken became a Hollow or reached Rukongai. Both died, only different ways.
4. What the hell is Ururu? Did Urahara make her? If he did, then she must be a mod-soul because Urahara can only create the gigai and mod-soul (for instance: Nova, Rinrin, Cloud).
Sadly none knows. For now, Ururu is as much a mistery as how are the burgers in McDonalds are healthy.
5. Did Zaraki Kenpachi go to Shinigami school? He was pretty old in his flashbacks before becoming a Shinigami. So if he did go to the Shinigami school, he would've been middle-aged. That would make no sense because all the people in Shinigami school looked young. And if he did, I can also conclude that old people and middle-aged people would be in the schools, even though the flashbacks of Kira/Hinamori/Renji showed only teenagers.
As far as we know, he never entered the Shinigami Academy. We don't really know what happened to him - neither the anime nor the manga elaborates much on it, to the best of my memory - but I'd assume that he just challeneged the 11th Captain because he wanted a strong opponent, and because he thought that as a Captain he would have many strong opponents (because only someone really strong would be able to bypass all the other Shinigami, to his thinking. He never heard of stealth)
6. If arrancars are hollows given shinigami powers by Aizen's ball thing, then what happens if you kill an arrancar using a zanpakutou? Will the arrancar go to heaven/hell (hollows are humans)?
I wish we knew... I think that what happens to them is as to normal Hollows - they are just purified and go to Soul Society. Or maybe they are just like Shinigami, and just die.

I think this covers everything?

Silhouette
07-21-2006, 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by _mike_
maybe he didnt sneak in, coz the shinigami already knew who he was. and how power hungry he is. so it is impossible for him to have snuck in coz they wouldve attacked him before even fighting the captain

Kenpachi is one strong guy. He doesn't strike me as the "sneaking in" type. He probably just casually walked in, killed anyone that got in his way, and casually defeated the captain. So what if they attacked him? He'd slaughter them.. Poor fools.. Didn't even know what hit them.. :whatevah:

AzNrIcErZbOi
07-21-2006, 02:43 PM
Kenpachi is one strong guy. He doesn't strike me as the "sneaking in" type. He probably just casually walked in, killed anyone that got in his way, and casually defeated the captain. So what if they attacked him? He'd slaughter them.. Poor fools.. Didn't even know what hit them.. :whatevah:

I don't think Kenpachi would've snuck in OR walked in. Think about it. How could he have entered Soul Society? Remember that there is a barrier surrounding it. Plus, he had on a shinigami uniform when he killed the captain. He either stole that or it was his or he took it from someone he killed.

I think this covers everything?

Well, those are really good answers for Questions #1,2,3. I think the rest are things that Bleach forgot to cover (The Zaraki Kenpachi one is obviously a plot hole -_-).

saycheese
07-21-2006, 02:54 PM
I have thought of lots of things that have bothered me and here they are:
1. About how old is Hitsugaya?
He is NOT really 12 years old. Remember the flashbacks of Renji, Hinamori, Kira, and Hitsugaya? That was pretty long ago. So Hitsugaya is actually older then Ichigo? Wouldn't that mean that Ichigo is the "boy genius" prodigy thing?
2. What would happen if Ichigo dies?
Will he go to Rukongai and become a true shinigami? Or is it that since he already became a shinigami, he lost his chance of a second life?
3. When you're killed in human form, you become a spirit and wait for a shinigami to send you to Soul Society. What about Ichigo's mom and Uryuu's Grandpa? They died from hollow attacks (That Fisher thing ate his mom and hollows killed Grandpa Ishida). I don't think they would become a hollow because they were humans at that time. So, did Ichigo's mom and Ishida Uryuu's Grandpa go to Soul Society or become a hollow, like Orihime's brother?
4. What the hell is Ururu? Did Urahara make her? If he did, then she must be a mod-soul because Urahara can only create the gigai and mod-soul (for instance: Nova, Rinrin, Cloud).
5. Did Zaraki Kenpachi go to Shinigami school? He was pretty old in his flashbacks before becoming a Shinigami. So if he did go to the Shinigami school, he would've been middle-aged. That would make no sense because all the people in Shinigami school looked young. And if he did, I can also conclude that old people and middle-aged people would be in the schools, even though the flashbacks of Kira/Hinamori/Renji showed only teenagers.
6. If arrancars are hollows given shinigami powers by Aizen's ball thing, then what happens if you kill an arrancar using a zanpakutou? Will the arrancar go to heaven/hell (hollows are humans)?

1. should be a multiplier of 10.
2. depends on how he is killed.
3. no, yes and yes.
4. no hard evidence yet.
5. no.
6. its a sprit, when a sprit dies, it becomes human.

Haidaes
07-21-2006, 03:17 PM
As for question four:

I think she isnt a modsoul , injuryies on her body do really hurt her and put her in danger , so she isnt just a mod-soul , for them it wouldnt matter at all.

All of Uruharas shop assistants are wierd. They are all super human and dont seem to be normal mod-souls.

ashiin
07-21-2006, 03:57 PM
As for question four:

I think she isnt a modsoul , injuryies on her body do really hurt her and put her in danger , so she isnt just a mod-soul , for them it wouldnt matter at all.

All of Uruharas shop assistants are wierd. They are all super human and dont seem to be normal mod-souls.

modsouls do feel pain... they just can't die

Undying
07-21-2006, 04:54 PM
As said, Ururu appears to be no more than is evident on the surface - a child with some sort of Spiritual powers.

But asking what Ururu is is the same as asking what Tessai or Jinta is. So far as I'm concerned, their all just weirdos.

And Kenpachi - well, I think it's likely he just barged in and challenged the Captain.

Snuffle
07-21-2006, 05:25 PM
I wouldnt call Zaraki "middle-aged" in any of those scenes, or even now. He was probably fairly young in those flashbacks. He just looks older because hes so scarred and toughened by a hard life. I'll bet he did go to shinigami school, though he probably tore through it much quicker based on his skill with a sword. Then he went to work for 11th division, decided he was better than his captain, and challenged him.

l'irrépressible
07-21-2006, 06:11 PM
OK.....so does tht mean kenpachi doesnt know shit about kidou zanjutsu n stuff? he just use his raw power to kill?
he's seriously handicapped if it wasnt for this single super power...

Snuffle
07-22-2006, 07:13 AM
OK.....so does tht mean kenpachi doesnt know shit about kidou zanjutsu n stuff? he just use his raw power to kill?
he's seriously handicapped if it wasnt for this single super power...

Aye I guess thats the point. He has massive reatsu and skill in sword fighting, but I doubt hell even attempt to use kidou. Probably the same reason why he hasnt been able to achieve shikai or bankai. Hes got alot of catching up to do.

gdo01
07-22-2006, 07:21 AM
You think he can use flash steps (shunpo)? He seems to be all power no speed or finesse. Classic tank/meat shield in rpg games.

~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™
07-22-2006, 11:18 AM
if zaraki can flash step, he wouldnt use it aniway... to him, t would be "so cheap without any good strength and is only for the weak to win" or someting like that...

buituyenjr
07-22-2006, 12:15 PM
1. probably old, ppl dont grow up in soul society do they?
2. shinigami (he's "sub-nigami" now), but yeah if he die in shinigami form he'd vanish 4ever.
3. undying said it all
4. urahara's student?
5. he dunno how to use spells, i bet... he just joined the heck in 11th squad and messed up there
pm kubo tite and ask him, i dunno about this much

*Hollow*Ichigo
07-23-2006, 08:08 AM
you can age in the soul society den ow did hitsugaya get to be a kid! if u saw the flashback he was a kid!!with hinamori!

hellrockz
07-23-2006, 11:25 AM
actually...is isshin a ex-shimigami??? everywan saes so....and was he a captain in addition

Snuffle
07-24-2006, 01:58 AM
"]Yes Isshin used to be a shinigami captain, because he wears the white captains robes in the manga. Yes Zaraki can flashstep, he did it in his fight with Ichigo.

Zanga
07-24-2006, 04:38 AM
I don't think it was sunpo, just him running really, really fast.....even in the OVA, Zaraki would shunpo'ed to where Yachiru said Baishin was and was able to run with a train equally so yeh...

buituyenjr
07-24-2006, 06:37 AM
hey add this question:
most of the shinigamis have to transform in to "soul form" to use their zampakuto (ichigo, hitsuyaga, rukia, renji...) but some doesn't need to do that (Urahara Kishuke) or Vaizardos (Hirako, Hiyori...) so why is this so messy? how to do the other guys get a visible zampakuto without having to trasform?
sorry if you think this is hijacking...

6. the arrancars probably go to hell, i guess... up to now none have died... except the one that yamii killed by "testing" his recovered hand...

AzNrIcErZbOi
07-24-2006, 02:22 PM
hey add this question:
most of the shinigamis have to transform in to "soul form" to use their zampakuto (ichigo, hitsuyaga, rukia, renji...) but some doesn't need to do that (Urahara Kishuke) or Vaizardos (Hirako, Hiyori...) so why is this so messy? how to do the other guys get a visible zampakuto without having to trasform?
sorry if you think this is hijacking...
6. the arrancars probably go to hell, i guess... up to now none have died... except the one that yamii killed by "testing" his recovered hand...


Urahara is in his "soul form". Hirako and Hiyori are in their "soul form". Hirako is the only vizard that goes in a gigai (I assume). He never fights in his gigai. If you ever notice, there are pauses between Hirako and school and Hirako talking to Ichigo.

Response to Answer 6: Why would the arrancars go to hell? Arrancars are hollows given shinigami powers. Hollows are humans that unwillingly become a hollow. The hollow side dominates over them. If you kill the hollow, then the human spirit goes to heaven.

how to do the other guys get a visible zampakuto without having to trasform?

What?