Stem cell research banned or passed

[Asthrun_Itiji416]

stem cell research in America has been banned by George Bush but what do you think:

Well i think it should be banned because in a way you are pretty much killing someone possible daughter or son, but that is my opinion what do you think should it be or not

[Delta]

I think it's kind of hyprocritical to claim to "value life" when you used to be the governor of one of the few states left in the county that has the death penalty, not to mention starting the current war, but thats debatable, the fact that Bush claims to value life and didnt do crap to end the death penalty when he was governor isnt.

[tortuegenial]

stem cell research in America has been banned by George Bush but what do you think:
Well i think it should be banned because in a way you are pretty much killing someone possible daughter or son, but that is my opinion what do you think should it be or not


Nope, I don't think it should be banned because the research is very useful and needed to treat a number of diseases such as cancer and damages to the spinal cord or other muscle damage.
It is inevitable that it is going to happen, in our day and age science is moving forward extremely quickly. Other parts of the world are going to excel in this field and leave the US and others behind, just the way the Arab world advanced in science when the European world (Roman Empire etc.) abandoned further research in science.
In my opinion it is only killing after or once the mind has been established in the embryo.

[Delta]

In fact, between 1995 and 2000 (the years Bush was Governor), 153 people were excicuted. (This number may be a bit high or low, but it's pretty accurate, I dunno exactly when Bush started, dun really have the energy to look it up right now, this (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/executedoffenders.htm) is my source if anyone accually wants to do the work)

[saycheese]

yer kno, ya'll should go to the sperm bank and donate all ur sperms & eggs, just so that ur not wasting life. i mean, u lose millions of sperm each time u ejaculate, and its not guarrenteed that even 1 will make a new baby, u also lose millions of sperms each day in ur very own testicles which are recycled back as neutrients. now, aint that a major waste of life? ohh, now lets have a look at the girls now shall we? as soon as a girl beings to have her periods, & up until shes in her 40+, she will produce an egg monthly. now how many babies do u think she'll have if every egg gets to be fertilised? and just for the record, the most amt of babies given birth by a single mother is 69. now aint that a major fkn waste of life? wow, i mean wow! do u realise we could concentrate more on doing sumthin to save lives rather than sit around and fantasising abt bugs bunny?

[Nameless_Knight659]

it is useful but if u think about it u r pretty much killing somthing that may have the opporunity to live. although i also see it the other way now that u mention it u can save another's life or help someone to walk again, what if that person has lived his/her life and is happy to be that way and die??

[saycheese]

^ wtf? ur not forced to take medication or treatment of any kind if u dont want to.

[Asthrun_Itiji416]

true but ur not forced to be an infertile person it natural and if the couple wants to have kids whos forcing them to do so the treament is their choice yes but what happens if the gov just takes it to do reseach isn't that morally wrong?

[Fect]

No 1-liners please. Thank you.

[Bi Ryu]

Like I've said in the past: The beliefs of the few should not surpass the beliefs of the many.

[saycheese]

true but ur not forced to be an infertile person it natural and if the couple wants to have kids whos forcing them to do so the treament is their choice yes but what happens if the gov just takes it to do reseach isn't that morally wrong?

i dont quite understand what ur saying here. especially the part highlighted in red. if ur trying to say that the govts are taking the eggs etc by force, then its illegal. but they arnt doin that. there are doners who are willing to donate, just like how there are people willing to try out new drugs for various reasons.

[Akiha]

personally, if the doner is willing to donate their eggs, why should it be banned..? the doner is willinggly participating and then we can use the stem cells to cure diseases. Nothing wrong with it as far as i can see...>.>

[chiking1]

personally, if the doner is willing to donate their eggs, why should it be banned..? the doner is willinggly participating and then we can use the stem cells to cure diseases. Nothing wrong with it as far as i can see...>.>

I agree with DreadRaven, because
1) the doner is WILLINGLY giving their eggs
2) fetuses (sp?) are not alive yet, so they do not count as a living creature
3) it could save people's lives

[mooks]

I think science is advancing much faster than our ethical understanding and tolerance...
Not only that but the possiblities of stem cell research are grossly misinformed by the media and it's excitement over such a controversial subject.
I'm not against stem cell research, but i think it should be postponed until society is able to ethically agree on certain situations...


If you think about it, every scientific marvel has managed to find it's place on the opposite side of it's intended purpose...

Gunpowder (more technology than scientific, i guess... or is it? i dunno, u tell me)
We all know the story of gunpowder

Nuclear energy was supposed to be the energy source of the future, and keep electricity ... but has become the most feared instrument on weaponry.

Plastic surgery was the supposed hope for the disfigured and injured such as burn victims... but has become a tool for inane psychological dependance for the rich and dissillutioned celebrities...

Genetically engineered foods was supposed to help farmers with harvests and feed the poor with it's low cost efficiency- as well as erradicate allergies and poisons on certain vegetation... But it has become a tool to keep third world countries in economic depravity by 'barcoding' and 'patenting' seeds with no yielding. Thus keeping the poor and dependant even more poor and more dependant through technicalities and loopholes within globalization trade laws.

Organ transplanting was supposed to be the greatest advance that would help the fatally wounded and untreatable causes... But it is now a black market business, where poor people in India and russia sell their organs or their childrens organs to a third-class medical drop out or self-taught surgeon as a last resort for a little money...

Stem cells... what could possibly go wrong?

[Asthrun_Itiji416]

i dont quite understand what ur saying here. especially the part highlighted in red. if ur trying to say that the govts are taking the eggs etc by force, then its illegal. but they arnt doin that. there are doners who are willing to donate, just like how there are people willing to try out new drugs for various reasons.
no what i mean is that those donations can be used for other times as in the doners can have a second chance if the fist fails, the gov can have somone sign a contract if there ever is one im not sure but that'll be fine.

[Hisaki]

The wording of the bill that Bush vetoed is crucial, and I believe he either did not read the bill properly, or he's just clueless. Or both.

The bill intended to fund the use of "discarded" embryos for stem cell research. Each year, fertility clinics build up a surplus of embroys from their clients, because the clients will usually specify a certain hair or eye color for their children, or a certain gender. A fertilized egg will be created through natural means between the couple, then extracted, and the egg will be cultured to produce many separate embryos with unique genetic configurations.

Of course, nothing goes right on the first try, and some of those embryos end up with combinations of traits that are unwanted, and the couple usually doesn't take them. The embryos are put into cold storage and reserved for future couples that may want them, but usually the couples want their own child, not someone else's, unless one or both members of the couple are sterile.

Of course, nothing biological lasts forever, so after five years... The embryos reach a point of decay where they can no longer develop into a human being. The end result?

Off to the incinerator with them.

So, Bush's lovely veto, and his boasting of how we have a "higher moral standard" than to be using stem cells?

He's boasting that we'd rather throw a miracle cure into the incinerator so we can remain high and mighty in our views instead of saving hundreds of thousands of lives.

Each embryo contains between 50 and 150 stem cells. That averages 100 each, for easy calculation. At least 1,000 embryos are discarded each year. On average, that's 100,000 people we could be saving.

But we'd rather be right, wouldn't we? We'd rather not admit that what we've said to be "morally wrong" for so long could, in some situations, be right.

So, let the incinerator burn. More fuel to the flames.

(Note: Naturally, I disagree with Bush's course of action, but I just had to be scathingly sarcastic.)