Are schools over punishing students?

[brolijc]

Are schools over punishing their students?

Today, I got punished and was detained in the principal's office for 12 hours, why? For talking in class, I understand that talking in class isn't right, but being punished for 12 hours is something not fair, to us students, and I'm not the only 1 being punished, another 10+ students were too.

I realized that some teachers or someone with power in the school can be biased towards a pupil and therefore everything the pupil did is wrong to him/her. I would give all of you an example. I know a group of people, they cheered in class as it was the last day of school before holidays, teacher made them stay back and brought them to the principal's office, in which they were detained for about 6 hours before the principal decide that they would have to come back from Monday to Friday during the holidays from 9am - 7pm for in house suspension, meaning they would have to stay in school for that period of time, do what? NOTHING. Reason for that punishment? Because they were DISTRACTIVE in class, for all I know, all they did were saying "WOO HOO" and boom, all punished.

More serious case, a girl got into a Girl's Home (something like a prison for teenagers) for drinking her teacher's water, and the teacher sued her for stealing.

Last point, it is unfair for the higher authority to only believe in what the teachers say instead of the students, in many cases, the teachers might be the one accusing the student. I'm not saying this always happens, but in some cases.

This kind of problem causes many students to hate school, like for my friend, principal made him do over 200 newspaper article reviews with each review minimium of 2 pages long, he couldn't take it after doing a few, he quit school. I've seen many cases similar to this.

A video regarding a teacher hitting the student
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JafPjTwpyas&mode=related)

Please debate

[Kootje]

Dude/Chick go to another school, are simply disobey, WTF detention in the holidays? What kinda school are you in, the worst at my school is suspention for a week and than you have to retake all those classes along the year. Hope for you, that the video of hitting wasn't your school, cause I would hit back( You get detention and other shit anyway) or change school!

[Akira Tsubasa]

that video was just wrong... seems more like prison then school, though if i student wants to study its their choice

[tortuegenial]

I think it's the school's or teacher's way of reinforcing power, they want to make it clear to the student's and to themselves that they have more power and that they are morally just.
In my opinion revolt or change schools, that is not how an educational system should work.

[brolijc]

if this happens to me earlier in the year or the year before, i would most probably had either rebel or change schools. the problem why i can't now is because of an important examinations i need to take at the end of this year. it is called the GCE O Levels, which is organised by Cambridge. If i rebel, i would most probably be expelled from the school, and of course the school would not let me take the examinations. and also i can't change school because i only have about 3 months left in school before the examinations, no school will allow me to enter just to let me take the exams.

Of course I can take the exams privately, not belonging to any schools, which makes me a private candidate. But the only hindrance is that the date to apply for being a private candidate is already over, so to apply, i would have to take the exams next year.

And so now the principal threatens and asked me what would I do if she stops my education and not let me take my examinations, and she says that she will give me an answer tomorrow whether i stay, or i leave the school.

And now i so regret that i did not switch school last year, was about to change but didn't because I didn't want to leave my classmates, I mean class is fun with them around, and it might be different in other schools.

Kootje: That video didn't happen in my school, because I'm the same as you, I would hit back. It's never right for anyone to hit anybody in the first place, unless you commited a crime or did something really badass, like robbing an elderly person or whacking up a small little kid

[Akira Tsubasa]

i go to a private school and still Teachers think they are so much better but punishments are relatively fair unless the hate you, i got a letter sent home because my shirt wasn't tucked in...

[brolijc]

Oh my god your school is so similar to mine. Once i got sent home because my hair was too long

My school controls everything, let me give you some examples.

1) Hair - Fringe must not touch eyebrow, hair at back must not touch collar, no growing of sideburns, hair must not touch ear, girls with long hair must tie their hair up with either BLACK or DARK BLUE pins or hairbands, no dyed hair

2) Attire - Shoe must be 70% white based, pants must not be worn below the waist, no tucking out of shirts, no piercings for boys, girls only allowed to have 1 ear piercing on each ear, must wear socks which is bought from the school, the socks must cover the ankle, no wearing of high cut shoes unless socks is higher than the high cut shoes, no wearing of uniforms to play sports, no entering of class if sweaty, pants cannot be baggy, skirts must be worn at knee-length, skirts must be worn when leaving the school compound

They punished my friend for hugging his girlfriend in the MRT as one citizen tells the school about it. They believe what they do is right, they believe their teachers are definetely right. They once punished another of my friend because he was lying down on a bench at a place about 20 miles away from the school and the principal saw the student

[Akira Tsubasa]

no entering of class if sweaty u sure u just didn't make that one up, made me laugh so much LOL ur school seems worse, i left mine actually cos i'm going to college were non of these rules apply anymore since u were ur own clothes, i was only asked once to cut my hair but i was leaving like the next week so i just avoided the principal for that last week

[Kootje]

That suck, you should hope that you can take the examen and then switch schools! What's with the uniform thing aren't you free to choose what to wear, you can't even hug your girlfriend, those teachers are RETARDED, Ít's only naturel to hug someone escepecialy girl/boyfriend! After you've taken the examen, and passed it, rebel, you'l be changing schools anyway ;)

[brolijc]

Akira Tsubasa: No i'm not making that up

Kootje: Yes I will rebel, but it all depends in 8 hours time, where she will be giving me 1 of these 4 choices

1) Return to class, everything back to normal
2) Isolated, self-study
3) Expelled from school, no taking of examinaions
4) Stop coming to school, only come back to take examinations

I would personally choose either 1 or 4.

Anyway, please include debates about it as you post :) I'm afraid the mods will come and close this topic down as it is more on talking about me and people are saying what i should do. :)

[Akira Tsubasa]

well only four people have posted in this thread lol but however i do hate Teachers who get promoted like to Head of Sports Department and think they are like sooo clever when they only know about sports :sad: when say an amazing teacher left his post. It happened in my school and now he thinks he is oh so great making us do cross country all the time and if you don't do it, you have to do twice as much running... and when it comes to say organizing Soccer matches he just doesn't bother, all he likes to do is give out punishments to try and make himself look good,

back to the hitting or violence as a punishment is that legal in Korea or something? here in Britain i see none of it, though it did actually happen once in my school were like the most popular teacher in the school kicked some boys ass in a playful way and this boy got him sacked so the is another side to the arguement that some students can go a bit too far

[Nemesis0521]

Sent back for to long hair?! That principal can shove it cause I have long hair to my back and if he doesn't like he can finger himself!... But really schools are strict because they believe what they re doing is going to make you into th perfect adult and also are to lazy to handle punishments the right way so they try to scare instead. Even though thy are sparking mayham.

[Kootje]

Well in Holland hitting is also illigal, however there's one teacher at my school who hitted a friend of mine, only my friend hit back, another punch for him and a week detention! Also if you hang posters in our school, cleaning and detention and if it's about terrorism or something you get suspention=( All they do is get themselves in trouble, there's a point where students don't take it anymore, my opion Punishment sucks, not neccesary, doesn't help only makes students, mad,angre,depressed, sad etc.

[Exodus]

Some schools are really unfair on their punishing system. Like that 12 hour detention thing, that is just ridiculous, that is really half a day.

Though my school is really lazy about anything. If I talk, the teacher dosen't even notice.

[Rokusaburo]

School aren't overpunishing students. The youth these days is just f*cked up. Schools shoudl enforce more crap onto them. I remember when I was in Highscool.... Dope bags used to fly across the classroom while teach was giving class..... I even remember some of the students stripping for the teacher.... *no joke* I was one of em.

[SolBeowulf19]

I can understand it when people are punished for stuff like dealing drungs and using them on school grounds. But sueing for drinking a teacher's water, staying for a week after from 9 to 7 for something as small as going "Woo Hoo". That is something I can't understand. I mean, punishment is meant to be fair, and going further one could say " The punishment fits the crime." However, to be punished so harshly for something so small, that is not only unfair and unjust, but plain and simple stupidity.

[Rokusaburo]

very true the words you speak Rock. But the fact is that, where i come from, drugs and sexuall acts are the main concern. and things like that should get punished in extremes. I remember in our anual spiritual retreat the cought 2 kids taking Pali (drug in form of a pill) much like ur average depresant and a couple having sex in the bathroom. Like yo.... U dont do that shit in a ****en spiritual retreat dawg

[SolBeowulf19]

Exactly. I agree. Those things do deserve extreme punishments. They are the things; by what I'm getting in your point of view, that are sliding due to the teacher's focusing on the most meaningless crap that really should get nothing more than a warning, slap on the wrist at most.

[Lex]

I wish we had more punishments in our schools here! We've had two incedinces with fights which left one boy dead! And a bunch of school girls that tortured mice to death before someone stopped them. We have no disipline...teachers aren't allowed to use corpral punishment...it's a disaster!
Though your case of talking isn't fair, I would rather have more punishments in schools in South Africa.

[brolijc]

Rokusaburo: Your school is lacking of punishments, whereas my school has TOO much punishment

Lex: Did they punish those students? If they don't, then it seriously is a school lacking of complete discipline.

In my school, they can just kick you out of school for any reasons the principal deem fit.

Once, these 2 groups of students from my school fought each other somewhere opposite the school, was discovered. All of them who were caught were given public caning in front of the whole school, then expelled, never allowed to enter the school premises again.

Then another one, got expelled because he has been oversleeping and slept through the time which he was supposed to spend in school.

Now my case, I'm in the risk of getting expelled. Because of the stacking of previous offenses I got. Which I thought was dumb, you see, in my school there is something called a Blue Form. If you did a really serious offense, you will have to fill up a Blue Form, get 3 of these and your gone, I have 2. Why?

1) Fighting (Both me and the person agreed that we both are in the wrong and let the matter rest, but the teacher says even if we don't want to do anything, they will do something)

2) Defiance (ALL JUST BECAUSE I DID NOT CUT MY HAIR WHEN THE PRINCIPAL CALL ME TO CUT IT, PLUS SHE RELEASED ME DURING THE NIGHT THE DAY BEFORE AND EXPECTS ME TO CUT IT)

[Lex]

Rokusaburo: Your school is lacking of punishments, whereas my school has TOO much punishment
Lex: Did they punish those students? If they don't, then it seriously is a school lacking of complete discipline.
In my school, they can just kick you out of school for any reasons the principal deem fit.
Once, these 2 groups of students from my school fought each other somewhere opposite the school, was discovered. All of them who were caught were given public caning in front of the whole school, then expelled, never allowed to enter the school premises again.
Then another one, got expelled because he has been oversleeping and slept through the time which he was supposed to spend in school.
Now my case, I'm in the risk of getting expelled. Because of the stacking of previous offenses I got. Which I thought was dumb, you see, in my school there is something called a Blue Form. If you did a really serious offense, you will have to fill up a Blue Form, get 3 of these and your gone, I have 2. Why?
1) Fighting (Both me and the person agreed that we both are in the wrong and let the matter rest, but the teacher says even if we don't want to do anything, they will do something)
2) Defiance (ALL JUST BECAUSE I DID NOT CUT MY HAIR WHEN THE PRINCIPAL CALL ME TO CUT IT, PLUS SHE RELEASED ME DURING THE NIGHT THE DAY BEFORE AND EXPECTS ME TO CUT IT)
One's awaiting trail for murder but he might get off on man slaughter, the other boy is still allowed to go to school and the girls got off completely with a tap on the wrist, I couldn't believe it! I was furious! They're just lucky I wasn't the one that caught then, then they wouldn't have to worry about the slapped wrists!:sad:

[Kurai-chan]

there are schools that are over punishing their students but not all of the schools are like that. just like in my case, we do not have a detention or some punishment that resembles it but once a student commits a serious crime (cheating,stealing,killing o.O?), the school would just kick him out. if he'd break a less serious rule, he'd have another 2 chances then after the third offense, *boom* also kicked out! hitting a student, however, is not allowed because the teacher/personnel could be kicked out of his position and banned from teaching forever(i think).

[brolijc]

schools like yours is rare. many teachers i know nowadays vent their angers and unhappiness on students. you see, i have seen it SO MANY TIMES that a student gets scolded like mad, gets into serious trouble just because he didn't tuck in his shirt and the teacher was in a bad mood when he/she caught him.

and now i just remembered another incident, this boy didn't return his library book in time, boom, kicked out of school. I was totally shocked when i heard this piece of news

[Kurai-chan]

what the? being kicked out just because he didn't return the book in time? that's too much! here, we'd just pay a little amount of money as a fine then everything will be alright. then in your case, your school is REaLLy over punishing the students and that's not right! but hey.. you can't really do anything about it because no matter what, you must abide with your school rules and regulations if you still want to stay there. :(

[rukia723]

wow, how retarted.

[yumisan]

schools teachers are sometimes to over reacting and i agree with that.in my school,canning is carried out to does who had done quite a serious crime.merits and demerits system is carried out with 100 points where by each wrong thing you do will be deducted according to the system..like 2 points deducted for not passing up the book and 30 points deducted when you hurt a teacher or a prefect.this system is still up to the teacher to gave you how much they want.the demerits marks that is stated is just a guide to teachers to give.there is a minimum and maximum points for it but you can earn back the merits point by doing good deeds which is extremely rare.the system helps the school to gave out warning or expelled a student.when a student get less than 20 points of merits.he or she will be expelled.
schools in my country don't really dare to expelled students because the parents have a higher position than the teachers in school.whereas us students have a lower position than the teachers.
well one thing i don't like about my school..is the teachers are telling lies and treatening us.once,this teacher treaten us to kick us off from out unit if we do not participate in the activites...and she was like a racist person..complaining that the unit is having to much indians,and less Malays.she treaten us alot and scolding people according to her wish.once she scold us by saying "don't think i'm your slave,i'm not your slave."
she said that and we was like damn angry.she told us that who do not come for the activity will be expelled from the unit and write your name in the paper but of course we are not that stupid and will work up together to boycott of the activity by everybody writing up there name in the paper to get out from the unit.that was the best part when the teacher got scared,because majority of us wrote our name and she starts turning the story upside down by telling us to get a letter if you're not coming.the teachers wont' punished us much but they will seeks their revenge by not teaching us well and skipping classes..afterall,they're the ones who is getting into big trouble because the 1st class people are smart enough,they send a annoymous letter to the principal about the issue or an official letter to the education department.by then,the teachers will be tossed up.

[Kootje]

When a teacher's in a bad mood, then you're screwed, I once got scolded big, *arogant bastard, shitface, even cancer* I just simply responded whatever and walked out of the clas =P Principal didn't believe and I got 1hour detention, where I was suposed to do math. That's about the worst it can get at my school, you can also get cleaning(the whole school =( ) for what I did, and worse you get suspend, second time you do something to be suspend, you get kicked out!

[SolBeowulf19]

schools like yours is rare. many teachers i know nowadays vent their angers and unhappiness on students. you see, i have seen it SO MANY TIMES that a student gets scolded like mad, gets into serious trouble just because he didn't tuck in his shirt and the teacher was in a bad mood when he/she caught him.
and now i just remembered another incident, this boy didn't return his library book in time, boom, kicked out of school. I was totally shocked when i heard this piece of news

I will say one thing: Your school is full of tyrant bastards who seem to like screwing with the kids and putting up bullcrap punishments simply because they can. I mean, is there any way that some-one could go to some higher power and get them to stop?

[Reklaw X]

wow, sometimes I think schools over-punish. But how else are they going to get kids to stop doing whatever it is they do that gets them into trouble if they don't make the punishments a little harsh.
(man I can't believe I just typed that being a 17yr old kid myself that hangout with the troublemakers of school. I should be agreeing that they overpunish)

[brolijc]

ok i decided to rebel against my school, ain't tolerating anymore. let me fill you in on what happened today.

The Vice-Principal called me into his office, asked me why I'm being punished and what am I willing to do to go back to lessons. So he say even if he send me back I will still get into trouble, he say i cannot behave myself 100% in the class, he say i won't dare to take the dare that if i misbehave again, i will be kicked out. Yet i say i take the challenge, he say no. Now this is bullshit, he asked me, i say yes, he say no. So in the end he asked me to beg the teachers so that i can go back to class, but no, I'm leaving.

Regarding my examinations, I just found out that once you are registered, the school can't do ANYTHING to stop you from taking the exams, so I'm already registered months ago, and they aren't gonna threaten me with that exam shit

[MissChapina]

I dont know what kind of school u are going to..because those kinds of things are terrible punishments and I dont know what u can do in a situation like that.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

my teacher too... u know one innocent day i wasnt doing anithing at all... n one of my classmates was just so evil.. she lied to the teacher tt i did i dont know wad the s*** she said... but i was almost HAULED in and almost got a caning for "outrage of modesty".... wadever for, i dont know... well after much aruging i was let off... but they threatened if i did anything wrong, even not doing my homework, they will cane me...MAN, WTH?!?!? WAD DID I DO??!?!? all thanks to my evil classmate...b&#@$

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heard of a school tt does not allow u to defend yurself in cases like this???

[p0rkfri3drice]

i found this thread very interesting. here's an insight on my school. kids get into fights everyday. its normal. happens everywhere: cafeteria, the classroom, hallways, outside the school, in gymnasiums, and even bathrooms. it would be a rare day if there was no fighting. its in the center of gangbang grounds. kids swear at teachers and get away with nothing but a grudge with the teacher. teachers will get hit by the students. kids smoke dope at lunch. it takes 3 fights to get expelled. detentions only 30 minutes long for most violations. kids have been caught with guns in their cars. there is much more detail, but that is my high school.
talk about not enough punishment.

[I)ante]

Oh my god your school is so similar to mine. Once i got sent home because my hair was too long
My school controls everything, let me give you some examples.
1) Hair - Fringe must not touch eyebrow, hair at back must not touch collar, no growing of sideburns, hair must not touch ear, girls with long hair must tie their hair up with either BLACK or DARK BLUE pins or hairbands, no dyed hair
2) Attire - Shoe must be 70% white based, pants must not be worn below the waist, no tucking out of shirts, no piercings for boys, girls only allowed to have 1 ear piercing on each ear, must wear socks which is bought from the school, the socks must cover the ankle, no wearing of high cut shoes unless socks is higher than the high cut shoes, no wearing of uniforms to play sports, no entering of class if sweaty, pants cannot be baggy, skirts must be worn at knee-length, skirts must be worn when leaving the school compound
They punished my friend for hugging his girlfriend in the MRT as one citizen tells the school about it. They believe what they do is right, they believe their teachers are definetely right. They once punished another of my friend because he was lying down on a bench at a place about 20 miles away from the school and the principal saw the student

More serious case, a girl got into a Girl's Home (something like a prison for teenagers) for drinking her teacher's water, and the teacher sued her for stealing.

Ok, what kind of fascist school are you in?! You shouldn't have to put up with this crap, at all..! Sueing someone for taking what you got for free. Thats just fuxd up.

And you have to wear 70% white based shoes?! Wtf? Those are some strict clothing codes. I'd quit that school a long time ago if I were you.

[p0rkfri3drice]

haha. i thought the same thing, but i figured that its just a different system and standards that where i am from. where exactly is this school, does anybody know?

[I)ante]

haha. i thought the same thing, but i figured that its just a different system and standards that where i am from. where exactly is this school, does anybody know?
Probably somewhere in the deepest darkest corner in hell...!

And even if it's different from my school, it's still wrong. Yeah, my school not strict at all. Most punishment we get is yelling. So I think that our school should be more strict, but those rules we've heard so far, they're just ridiculous.

[nikuwadoko]

yes they are. but I don't know for all schools. I have experienced such a situation where I was punished without justification.

[Kzimask]

If your in North America and thinking your punishment in Detention or w/e you get is bad, just go visit S.Korea or Japan, China etc... You get 'beaten' up by a teacher with Meter Stick or some sord of other type of long stick. I meen I actualy got 5 hits just for whispering to my friend next to me when I was in grade 1... But luckly I live in Canada now...

[p0rkfri3drice]

in vietnam, it used to be that if you bustin in school, you get hit with a bamboo meter stick to your backhand. but most of the time, they dont tolerate it and expell you immediately.

[Tsukasaa]

Ok here is a problem that happend between my friend and the teacher. First day of school, we just got back from summer vacation. We were told to tell the class about our summer. My friend was the first up. Over the summer she went to the hoover dam. The first time she said the word dam the teacher took it as "damn" and slapped her, then said dont say that word infront of me again. She tried to tell him that she used the word "dam" instead of the bad word. He slapped her again, this time she fell to the ground, as her father opened the door. since her back was facing the door to our class room, her father did not know it was her. he said "here is my daughters bag". Hearing her dads voice she spun around and left her dad in shock, after she pointed to the teacher and said the words "He slapped me"
He tackled our teacher and yelled for some one to get our principle. After her father calmed down and the principle got to our class room, the teacher explained that she had said "i F***ed my boyfriend and our principle beleaved him. Even though everyone in our class said what really happened, he only trusted the teacher, not even her father. 2 years later he is still teaching there.

Teachers have too much power. Because they teach they are known to be "smart and trustworthy" people. They are always concidered right, weather they actualy are or not. even if the vote is 26-1 If that "1" is a teacher then usualy there is not even a second thought. Its very said, they are harming our future generations, rather then helping.

[p0rkfri3drice]

Its very sad, they are harming our future generations, rather then helping.

those teachers, anyway. i am curious to find out where all of you live, so we can relate to the differences, because this is what makes this topic discussable. where i am from (america), such things never happen. i hear of it all the time, so it isnt suprising to me as it is to some other people that have never heard of this. like i said before: at my school, its the students who beat up the teachers.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

Last time i was watching a documentary and i saw two science teachers harassing a Girl as a punishment the two teachers were also seen using illegal drugs... I say that the teachers today are more undisciplined than the students!!

[p0rkfri3drice]

=\ not all teachers. dude, a lot of teachers out there are nuts. but you cant be saying all teachers out there are messed up and undisciplined. there are a lot of great teachers out there. just not the ones mentioned in this thread, apparantly

[Analog]

damn that sucks, i would have left that school if i were you

[Cassie]

Throughout my time in school, I have never met a teacher who wronged any student like what many of you have said. I have complete respect for all of my teachers, for they were all wonderful. I really feel sorry for what you guys have to put up with, because the duty of teachers is to educate and set an example. Teachers who wrong students unfairly are definitely not justified, and shouldn't be teachers. They're a disgrace not only to the education system, but also to society.

[ChansteR]

Hmm, glad I live in US since hitting a student is against the law over here. If one teacher hits a student, that student can basically sue or get that teacher arrested for assault. Also, those principles that only trust in teachers are failures as the leader of the school. Also, I dont see how the parents of those students would accept such a thing and as for Tsusakaa's latest story of friend, if I was that dad, I would sue or have that teacher arrested for assault and since you have 26 witnesses in the class, there is no way you could lose.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

Actually only private school teachers follow that law and Public schools have undisciplined teachers...

[Mavvy]

I heard of beating kids in different countries but I never heard of keeping students in the principal's office for like 12 hours or like having students come for a week spending most of their days time in the school during holidays. I mean... who would want to watch kids do nothing over the holidays at school. Thats pretty stupid. Unless someone was really desperate for some money then they would watch over the students. Cheering a little on the last day before holidays...I don't see any harm in that.

Yeah...seriously...I'm really glad I live in the US also.

[Seilin]

Wow, it is kind of hard to believe your post. 12 Hours detention? That is something I have never heard of. The longest detention I have heard of was only 2 or 3 hours and the longest one I had was only 30 minutes. Maybe it is different in USA, but that is quite harsh and on the video, well, it was a way of discipline for some or should I say most asian countries. Like China and I think Japan too, the parents used to let the teachers hit their child because they believe that teachers could make their child smarter.

I thought there are laws in those countires now that disciplining students like that are illegal, but I'm not really sure since I don't live there or anything. I wonder if that teacher in the video got sued or anyhing. Well, if in korea, hitting students are illegal.

[chiking1]

After reading your post, I feel really lucky that I'm in an international school in China. First of all, hitting, or any violence done by the teacher is not tolerated. And people RARELY get detentions, and usually, you would miss out on class, and go to the principle's office for a day, instead of coming in on vacation days.

Also, the girl got sued for drinking a teacher's water? The seniors in my school stole all the toilet paper in bathrooms as a prank, and got away with it!

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

yep... i got my 2nd one... it isnt much this time...not unlike the one i almost got public caning for doing nothing... but tis time wel my teacher gave me extra detention n homework.... FOR TAKING 2 MINS TO GET MY HOMEWORK OUT OF MY BAG... who gets detention for that!?!? she also accused me that i didnt do my homework... well guess wad??? i got punished all over again.. tis is noot the 1st time my damn teacher is picking on me... i think its due to the 1st incident tt she seemed to hate me....

[brolijc]

OK some new infomation regarding my school. I have already stopped attending school due to request of my parents, they didn't want me to go for 12 hours detention everyday so they told the principal that i will stay home instead. Which means I will be dropping out of school. In which, I had to go to school and sign a contract to say that i drop out, HOWEVER, they changed the drop out issue to a suspension issue, meaning the school suspended me and said that I wasn't the one who chose that, it was what the school decided. And because of all these stuffs 3 weeks of my time is wasted, not attending school and stuffs.

And so, i have a project which i have to do in school as only in the school do they have the facilities for me to do my project. But the vice principal called me today, told me that i will only be allowed to come till this Friday to finish my project, after that i don't come back. The dateline is 22/8 but now i only have till 18/8, but to be more exact, its 17/8 as on 18/8 no one will be in school due to the school musical. they wasted 3 weeks of my time and now they expect me to finish my project in 3 days when others take like weeks or months to do!?

And due to the detention issue which happened about 3 weeks ago, it got onto the newspaper as i wasn't the only one who was punished and some student wrote a letter to the press. Lucky for the school that the name of the school was not mentioned in the article.

For those who want to read the article i have the link to the article here
Link (http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/printfriendly/0,4139,111180,00.html)

People who are living in the same country as me please spread this around and do tell them my school is Fairfield Methodist. And yes, I'm studying in a Christian school, and some of the people i know was shocked in knowing that my school, which is a Methodist school, has teachers and principals like that

What the principal said in the article is not true, i don't remember her spending time with us, we didn't take the letter positively and lots of other stuffs. The school WAS AFRAID that i might drop out, in my country. You have to protect the student's interests in studying and you can't just expel any students for a minor reason like that. I'm still deciding whether i should blow up the whole matter and let the whole of my country know about it, what school and what do they actually do in my school

[mthegreatone]

my god, it doesn't get more fucked up than that. did your parents bother researching the reputation of the school before enrolling you in it, in terms of teacher/student interaction? most of my high school teachers were not only laid back but good/effective teachers as well so i had a blast when i was in high school.

[ChansteR]

Actually only private school teachers follow that law and Public schools have undisciplined teachers...
no actually, public schools follow that law, since it was created for public schools, private schools as well.

[brolijc]

my god, it doesn't get more fucked up than that. did your parents bother researching the reputation of the school before enrolling you in it, in terms of teacher/student interaction? most of my high school teachers were not only laid back but good/effective teachers as well so i had a blast when i was in high school.

the school wasn't like this when i went in, my elder brother was from tha school, but graduated 4 years before i even went in, so at that time it was considered good because the current principal only came in 2 or 3 years after he left

[Kibe]

i got a dirty look during sowing class... because i got off my seat and groaned... *baka* and she shouted at me and i said "umm miss? i was getting off my seat"
and she kept giving dirty looks all class... and i give her glares.. hee ee

@stone: i feel you *hug*

[StoneTitan]

What the...!

Talk about overreacting teachers. For something that small as talking in class... thats a hard line they do.
Did't the teacher win, when he/she sued the student for drinking the water?
Here the student would just not care or they would take water from a "place where you wach hands"(can't remember the word atm:sad:)


The thing about hitting the students, for something as small as that no way is that acceptable.
In some way i could understand it back, when my dad went to school thx to the stuff they did't.

Stuff like:

Throwing firecrackers into the teachers room
Placing needles at the teachers chair
Blowing up "place where you wach you're hands" so a small gaiser appears
Screw the teachers table so lose that it falls apart from a small hit
Throw food at there books & notes
Hang the teachers up at the railings
etc.

(Some back then had deals with the teachers like this: If you don't come to class, then i don't write you as missing(both happy))

for stuff like that i could in some way understand Teachers being as strickt as they were back then.



I'd say you took the right decision not to stay at a school like that.

[sto67]

this type of disciplining is cultural and varies from countries. in australia we are pretty lax with the rules and everything, and in my school life i have only ever seen 2 people be suspended from school and 1 expulsion.

laws are pretty much the same as in america though, if a teacher hits a student they will be faced with so much legal action that they would be buried in paperwork.

asian countries are a bit fucked up imo with regards to education. they have too high expectations of their students and their teachers are a bit nutty to boot. but yeah, thats part of why i like australia ;)

[p0rkfri3drice]

but then why do asian countries excel in education? but then again, maybe education isnt everything =\.

[Seren]

Asian schools excel at education because a) it's not nearly a big societal taboo to be the smart kid there and b) the whole society focuses on intelligence. And yeah, it's that different from a lot of western curricula.

As for schools in general- it really depends. For my entire K-12 education, I only spent two years in a standard American high school. (I had to do two senior years for HS because I moved to the US after my junior year and my credits were wonky). For kindergarden and half of my first grade year, I was in a magnet school, and then for the second half of my first grade year to my junior year, I was in a DODd school in South Korea. A bit different.

While 12 hours of detention is stupid in ways that can't quite be put into words, at least here in the US, there is a need for discipline. Nothing physical, but a lot of the children here are completely out of control. I went to one of the good schools, and I lost my temper one time because some of the teens were smoking pot in the outside lunch area, and I had to take a drug test for a job later that day. There was one incident where a five year got so out of control that she was handcuffed, as the only alternative would have been physical violence (the child was hitting the teacher, other students, cursing, etc). Girls have been caught having sex in the bathrooms at my old school, two boys were accused of rape when they hadn't raped anyone (the girl later admitted it was consensual sex), etc. There's a complete disregard for taking personal responsibility. I'm all for creative freedom; I had bright dyed hair, funky clothes, and piercings AND tattooes in my last year of public school- but there has to be some sort of discipline maintained, too. It's a matter of sorting out priorities; the punishment must fit the crime. Speaking out in class merits a 'don't talk out in class' or at worse, maybe an hour of detention.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

but then why do asian countries excel in education? but then again, maybe education isnt everything =\.


why??? coz their government imposes strict laws on edu tts why.... and yes, i think edu isnt everything...for example??? look at bill gates

[Kzimask]

Heh, if a teacher over punish me such as beat me up or give me 2 week of detention for doing something is not much of a big deal, Im definaly going to complain to my princaple and work things out...:toocool:

[SentByGod]

unbelievable..and i thought back when i was in middle school my school had a lot of rules..

that you tube video with the teacher hitting the student is just wrong. Since you said there's isn't much time till school ends..it sounds horrible enough already with all that hair not touching the collar for boys etc..

that sweat rule is the worse..

[kaede822]

i came from a chinese school back in high school as well as in grade school.. well, of course, unlike the traditional Filipino schools, our school is more strict. they have zero tolerance for misbehaviors.. little stuff like not being able to finish school activities or homework would mean physical punishment.. i had my share of those as well... anyway, in a way, that has taught us the importance of discipline... the training was rigid and it paid of in excellent performance in inter-school academic contests.. our school is probably the best performing school in our province/island.. although when i graduated from grade school they abolished that kind of punishment since it was against the Child abuse act of the country :D

[Kzimask]

I heard couple of students in country in asia commited a suicide because she/he didnt want to see teacher and they were forced to goto school my their parents... Oh and I saw a photo of some student who got beaten up badly by a gym teacher... it looks like 'she' was beaten up by some nasty gansters. lol....

[yellow flash]

All schools are different. I know there are quite a few extreme cases I have read in this thread (many of which I believe are fictitious) However I believe that depends entirely on the school and the individual who is doing the punishing. Yeah there are some whack jobs out there working for schools who are into sadism and take pleasure in tormenting students. But those individuals are few and far between. If your situation has been taken to an extreme then I suggest you take it to the school board.