Why does everyone think Bankai is an I-win button?

[firebug]

It isn't. Bankai has failed to do the job on many different occasions.

Discuss.

[Akiha]

because bankai is a sign that a shinigami is releasing their full power, almost ensuring a victory in a battle.

but youre right, it isnt an "I-Win" button.

[SumDumGai]

because bankai is a sign that a shinigami is releasing their full power, almost ensuring a victory in a battle.
but youre right, it isnt an "I-Win" button.

Because it increases their power by 5-10x. 'nuff said

[lordsmish]

Yep but if the person there fighting against is already at that sort of strength then your screwed.
Take the buyaka battle ichigo in shikai got badly beaten by him then ichigo went bankai it suprised him but he still almost lost until hollow came out

[FreedoM]

I don't really think it's a "OMFG BBQSAUCE Bankai time you n00b! You're deadz0r!" I think it's more of a last resort to fight with the enemy on the same level. Well, that's just me.

[IcYxWiNd]

i dont think bankai is an instant win,it jsut means ur using ur full power

[nikuwadoko]

bankai looks cool, it just looks cool. it's not a measure of power. a shinigami needs to know how to use/control it properly. especially Renji.

[Hitsugaya Tōshirō]

It's not really an I-Win button, but more of a true full power and therefore gives higher confidence to the user that they MIGHT win...

[firebug]

I've seen plenty of people use the justification

"So and so has bankai, so they'd beat so and so EASY"

No...its really not that easy. Bankai has failed to defeat the opponent (who wasn't using bankai themselves) on at least FIVE occasions:

Hitsugaya vs Aizen - Hitsugaya uses bankai and loses...badly
Zaraki vs Tousen - Tousen comes close to winning but screws up
Renji vs Byakuya - Renji gets obliterated, lol
Ishida vs Mayuri - See above
Ichigo vs Aizen - lol, gg

The only times where bankai has made a difference has been in fights where another bankai was present. The fight between Ichigo and Byakuya was fairly epic...so I can understand why people think that bankai is such a big deal.

But the above poster said it correctly - if a person is already 5-10x more powerful before Bankai, then it simply evens the playing field. If the person is even stronger than that...bankai may not even make a difference at all.

Aizen's shikai is more powerful than most people's bankai...go figure.

[SilverCross]

who said it was an instant win? thats crazy talk...as been said, we'v seen people lose many times now with it.

[Abe]

Who ever thought there bankai was an I-win button is a little to cocky.

[Caesar]

nobody said that bankai gives you the win of the fight.. take a look at the manga..

[Tsukasaa]

pushes red button with Bankai writen on the top, "That was easy"

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

yea...havin bankai doesnt mean u will win...like hitsu used bankai n aizen beat him without using his bankai....

[buituyenjr]

who said that bankai is sure for win? what if bankai vs bankai?

[Nicole]

I think it's a last resort (or in some character's cases to show off or something) in a battle. Or it means that they go at full power to attack the enemy. I certainly don't see it as a "OMG this peron's going to win now because they went bankai".

[Cheryl]

I agree...using bankai doesn't mean that you're definitely going to win, but at least you'd be going at your full power.

[firebug]

Go to any ___ vs ___ thread, and you will inevitably see the justification "____ would win cause of bankai", or some equally thoughtless drivel.

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[TXPanda]

It isn't. Bankai has failed to do the job on many different occasions.
Discuss.


remember there are different levels to bankai as well.. and who knows.. there might be a sankai down the road :)

it isnt ment to be an I-win button.. its a "oh crap i need to use everything i have" button :)

[chiking1]

it isnt ment to be an I-win button.. its a "oh crap i need to use everything i have" button
lol i agree with that... Also... if you are like... 'bankai level' person you'd be fighting OTHER 'bankai level' people... so both of you would have bankai.

[~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™]

unless u go around bullying other ppl ewho doesnt have bankai.... n bakai doesnt mean u will win...zaraki defeated the previous 11th squad captain...who have bankai....

[sniperz]

yea it sounds as if zaraki seems overpowered for his high STR and moreover DEFENSE OF BLooD.


BAnkai as i win button? it depends i guess. coz its a finisher blow. lets take an example KING OF FIGHTER's game u choose any character's finish blow, do u think it'll always KOed your opponent? that depends on ur skill/experience/wise attack.

so if we say for Bleach's Bankai as a i-win, it have to depend if its strong/tough/fast/absolutely a winner's final blow. then its explained.

moreover some bankais by captains doesnt mean he can own.look at hitsu's bankai. baishin/aizen pwned him real bad including gin. (losing position,without bankai of coz but same result)

so it depends. like ichigo/kenpachi(superb defense of blood),byakukya beaten renji.

tats wat u expect

[SumDumGai]

Yep but if the person there fighting against is already at that sort of strength then your screwed.
Take the buyaka battle ichigo in shikai got badly beaten by him then ichigo went bankai it suprised him but he still almost lost until hollow came out

Actually Ichigo's bankai put him on a much higher level than Byakuya, Senbonzakura couldn't keep up with him, and when he let himself get caught he striked away every single blade, he had many chances where he could easily kill him, but the thing that almost made him lose is that he was fighting too long in his bankai that he hasn't mastered and it started destroying his bones in his body because he couldn't yet handle it that long. It wasn't the power or speed of his Bankai but it was that his body couldnt handle using Bankai that long since he only had it for an hour or less.

But back to the original topic, like i said before if you're going to be confident in a fight it will be when you boost your power 5 or 10-fold, the people in the fights shown are trying to kill eachother and not get killed, they're not going to lack confidence and spirit, so you can't blame someone for having confidence when they multiply their power, you should worry if they don't because it wouldn't be believable.

[DarkShadow]

Bankai as an "i-win" button..i don't think so...ppl who believe that are too cocky. Even if you use bankai, it dosen't do you any good if you don't know how to control it very well (or haven't mastered it)...ex: Renji vs. Byakuya

[falxx]

Bankai shows how cool you are...(or your soulslayer)...No guarantee for winning...

Ichigo's Bankai is really cool...like Zangetsu... Also Hitsugaya's Bankai is really cool with that wings on his shoulders...

Tousen's bankai is gay... Mayuri's bankai is like what expected from such a worm... etc...

[Silhouette]

*walks in* BANKAI! *everyone dies* I win! *walks out*

HAH! Kidding. Like others have said before, it depends on:

- The Bankai ability - What it does. (attack/defend/slaughter.. >_>)
- The Opponent (their speed/strength/stamina/bankai)
- The user's experience with the technique (How long they've had it, how much they practice with it, etc..)

I-win button? If you're that strong, maybe..

Yamamoto: BANKAI!
Everyone else: OH SNAP! Book it! *runs away*

lawl..

[TXPanda]

Yamamoto: BANKAI!
Everyone else: OH SNAP! Book it! *runs away*
lawl..


well think about it this way.... if everyone just bankai'd right in the begining of the fight the whole series would be over in 1 year.. unless there was filler everywhere....

bankai IS an uber move... but its an uber move for that specific character.

if hanataro ever got a bankai you can bet the farm that it wont even come close in power to the other chars.


you want an I-win button here ya go... Aizen Bankai = u ded

[Mercurius]

Of course it isn't and I dun think there are ''A LOT'' people who think it is, I mean


Byakuyawith Bankai - got pwned by ichigo

renji with bankai-got pwned by byakuya

Crazy 12th Captain guy with Bnkai- got pwned (altough but jusst) by Ishida

renji with Bankai- got pwned by stupid little filler musquito's of Kariya

Ichigo with Bankai - got pwned by aizen's FINGER

touzen with bankai- got pwned by Kenpachi

Komamura's with Bankai - got pwned by Aizen (annoying aizen)

Hitsugaya with bankai- got pwned by Aizen (again ...Aizen Pwning somebody...is getting a bit cliche isn't it..)

...So who dares to say that Bankai is an ''I-win'' machine after looking at this...

[mthegreatone]

because bankai is a sign that a shinigami is releasing their full power, almost ensuring a victory in a battle.
but youre right, it isnt an "I-Win" button.

case in point when Ichigo tries to slice Aizen up.

[Zachron]

Bankai shows how cool you are...(or your soulslayer)...No guarantee for winning...

Ichigo's Bankai is really cool...like Zangetsu... Also Hitsugaya's Bankai is really cool with that wings on his shoulders...

Tousen's bankai is gay... Mayuri's bankai is like what expected from such a worm... etc...

Bankai, is like your shinigami wang. Bigger is better, but it's not the size that counts but how well you use it. lol. And if I had a bankai, it would come with a cappuchino machine.

[Exodus]

I think people think Bankai is a I=win button because when a person first uses bankai, you are thinking, woah, what is this, a new technique, can't beat that.

[hasuke]

It isn't. Bankai has failed to do the job on many different occasions.
Discuss.

Because back when bleach was fresh and new, it WAS pretty much an I Win button. Sure, Mayuri lost to Ishida, but he still woul dhave won had Nemu not given Ishida the antidote (and do you know how many Shinigami had to have died because of Konjiki Ashisogi Jizou's poison?)

Zaraki lucked out agaisnt Tousen, but there was no way in hell he would have made it against Komamura. Kukojou Tengen Myu-o is way too fucking huge and powerful for even Zaraki to stand against. He'd have to make like hell to attack Komamura and hope Tengen wouldn't crush him.

Senbonzakura Kageyoshi SCREWED Renji up big time. Hihiou Zabimaru failed because Renji just freshly learned it, and with something that huge and cumbersome you need practice to use it efficiently.

Ten Sa Zangetsu gives that insane speed boost, which wouldn't really require too much training to use right. Against other slow opponents, and even some skilled ones, it IS an I Win button. (Super speed + Kuroi Getsuga spam, anyone?)

Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi is uber powerful as well, given that it can cause any of those swords to strike down in the blink of an eye.

Dai Guren Hyourinmaru seems pretty useless though. Though I can't quite remember what it's ability was (just freezing stuff and the crystals are a counter)

Either way, Ban kai, back in the day, were the strongest moves, almost gauranteed to net you a win. Of course, now with these "Super Hollow-jins", Ban Kai are about as useful as Shi Kai.

[SilverD]

Like Hasuke said, it WAS. Almost every fighting anime suffers from this condition. First the bad guy is stronger, then the good guy learns an "ultimate technique" that lets him PWN the bad guy (or at least fight evenly) but after awhile, he'll have to come up with something else for the next antagonist.