Should we pull our troops out?

[Ace_Dragon]

I've been thinking about this for some time, and I've come to this conclusion. I believe that we should pull our troops out of every place they are stationed (Iraq, Iran, Iseral, Kosova, and wherever) and bring them all back to the States. There is a reason for this, If you think about it we're looking for all of these people in all of these countries and they have all went into hiding because of the U.S. influence. If we just withdraw our troops they will come out willingly because the threat to their lives would be gone. More imporantally though is the fact that our troops are spread so thin that if someone was to wage war on our soil we'd have no one here to defend us.


Tell me what you think.

[Micker]

while i do agree one some of these points of where our shoulds should come out of except for iraq. we pull out of there the people in that country are gonna lose it all everything they've gained and america loses its credibility

[Akiha]

hmm...i would say pull SOME troops out, but not all of them...if we show weakness, another attack could happen. Keep the enemies in line, and they wont do anything.

[Fect]

Guys, please keep the one liners out of the debate. And I don't want to see any bashing. That's just hurting yourself.

[Wolfman Walt]

So pulling our troops out of Germany, Japan, S. Korea, etc helps us how?

I think the thing you're forgetting is that these are soldiers - it's their job to risk their lives. It's not a matter if they'd be willing or unwilling, soldiers do as they're ordered (Normally). You also have to consider our allies in certain areas that you'd be suggesting removal from would be stragically weakened, such as S. Korea, or essentially crippled, like Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Delta]

Our soldiers do more then just fight and walk around military bases in other countries, they also offer humanitarian aid to countries that need it, their presence also can act as a reminder to countries planning to attack our allies that they're would be pissing off america too if they attacked this country. I also really doubt that if a military invaded the US (hasnt happened since the war of 1812, unless you count the civil war, we kinda invaded ourself :/ ) that we would be hard pressed to find troops to fight because we have troops overseas.

[Ai]

By "Our" Troops i assume you mean the stupid americans...Because the rest of the world is sorta dragged in along with them..

A conflict breaks out..

The UN sits around and trys to sort it out peacefully..

America comes around and blows the living hell out of the cockroaches in the place..

The rest of the countries wander along and try to rebuild..

America eventually pulls out after they have made sure every last bug is squashed...

The rest of the world is stuck there for at least another 30 years cleaning up..

Yea....I think you should pull american soldiers out now..It'll get ours home a hell of a lot quicker..

[Wolfman Walt]

By "Our" Troops i assume you mean the stupid americans...
I take offense to that.

The UN sits around and trys to sort it out peacefully..
Especially when no one decides to listen to them.

America eventually pulls out after they have made sure every last bug is squashed...
The rest of the world is stuck there for at least another 30 years cleaning up..
Strange considering we're still in Japan, Germany, South Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc, etc.


Yea....I think you should pull american soldiers out now..It'll get ours home a hell of a lot quicker..
By your logic, we're already the hell out since we leave as soon as everything's blown up and leave it up to other countries to rebuild.

[Ai]

...Indeed...

Sorry if you took offense at that..

Are you American btw? oh i see you are...

Let me appologise ....

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/BalrogRoke/lmfao.png

Now...

Why is America still in Japan...Oh wait thats it..Most countries have bases somewhere else in the world..Something about deployment..

As to America getting their people out...Yes they should..Most of the countries there in the majority of the people want to shove a ten foot pole up GB's ass...so according to Americas own Democracy they have mass voted for America to ...gtfo

[Luso Clemens]

Now... when I say We, I don't mean ME.
I think we should get out of Iraq, and any other country we're mussing about in...
It's only pissing people off at America, and sooner or later, we're going to have to pay the price, even if some people are innocent, it didn't matter when we went in...
So if any innocent people are knocked off here... I would say that's fair game.

I think France is VERY smart for refusing to join in.
but sooner or later, they WILL be caught in the crossfire...

IT'S LIKE A GANG SHOOTING! OR A DRIVE BY! SOMEONE GETS SHOT!

[saycheese]

ok..lets get some facts straight. whenever america "helps" another country, there is always a portion of land which they claim as their "base". with cetain cases like japan and korea, americans are welcome on a general basis, however much contravery has arisen especially in korea where there were numerous cases of sex offence by the soldiers to the locals that were ignored by the higher command, and even more so, these are cultures which you cannot get married if your not a virgin(litterally). this is due to the fact with the us attitude of "we're americans so we're better than j00" and "its legal in our country" which are causing alot of trouble and the troops are no longer welcomed there anymore, but with certain cases the country have no other choice. and guess what, if america loses control, these soldiers that are stationed at these bases are gonna get crucified.


I think the thing you're forgetting is that these are soldiers - it's their job to risk their lives. It's not a matter if they'd be willing or unwilling, soldiers do as they're ordered (Normally). You also have to consider our allies in certain areas that you'd be suggesting removal from would be stragically weakened, such as S. Korea, or essentially crippled, like Iraq and Afghanistan.

thats quite dehumanising saying its do-able because they're soldiers. soldiers DO NOT do things they are not willing to do. this has been true for the past 4000 years in history(nam is a good example.how many us officers do you think had a bullet in the back of their head which were found to be american?). and belive it or not, soldiers on average are more moral than your average joe. and above all, they risk their life for their country, and its occupants, eg you, not because its their job, nor their duty, but because they belive thats the right thing to do(there is no conscription, you dont have to be in there). their job is to kill when nessecery, and acomplish the mission, not to die for their country.

[Wolfman Walt]

...Indeed...
Sorry if you took offense at that..
Are you American btw? oh i see you are...
Let me appologise ....
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m21/BalrogRoke/lmfao.png
Need I remind you of the rules about flaming? While I understand your opinion may be anti-american, calling Americans stupid and then blatantly attempting to insult me isn't condusive to a debate environment. Please cease and desist.

Why is America still in Japan...Oh wait thats it..Most countries have bases somewhere else in the world..Something about deployment..
There's also training exercises that occur between forces, treaties, and other things that keep us there.

As to America getting their people out...Yes they should..Most of the countries there in the majority of the people want to shove a ten foot pole up GB's ass
Unsubstantiated statements does not an argument make.

...so according to Americas own Democracy they have mass voted for America to ...gtfo
How do you figure? While I do believe (last I checked) there was a majority of people who want an Iraq pullout, how does that equate to a pull out of all areas?

thats quite dehumanising saying its do-able because they're soldiers. soldiers DO NOT do things they are not willing to do. this has been true for the past 4000 years in history(nam is a good example.how many officers do you think had a bullet in the back of their head which were found to be american?).
I'm not dissagreeing with you, which is why I said "normally." Normally, soldiers are given orders which do not defy the laws of combat, code of conduct, etc. Under those normal circumstances, a soldier should do what he's ordered.

I was speaking interms of going where he's told, unless there are really....unique circumstances, a soldier will go where he's told.

but because they belive thats the right thing to do.
In my experience, that's not true. Alot of the soldiers I've worked with do do it because it's their job and because it's what they're supposed to do. While I do believe there are soldiers who do it because "it's the right thing to do" there are generally other reasons lying under it. A majority of soldiers join the military actually to get their college payed.

their job is to kill when nessecery, and acomplish the mission, not to die for their country
No doubt; but their job involves risk. Being in the military is one of the riskiest proffesions and it is part of their job description that they risk their lives; they don't call it "hazard" pay because the job is safe.

[saycheese]

In my experience, that's not true. Alot of the soldiers I've worked with do do it because it's their job and because it's what they're supposed to do. While I do believe there are soldiers who do it because "it's the right thing to do" there are generally other reasons lying under it. A majority of soldiers join the military actually to get their college payed.

yeh, they do do it to get their college paid. and you are right about the fact that most dont do it just because of "its the right thing to do", but they're not forced to do it either. its more like that they accept that killing apart of their job, but its not their job. thats the difference i was trying to state.

[Luso Clemens]

Need I remind you of the rules about flaming? While I understand your opinion may be anti-american, calling Americans stupid and then blatantly attempting to insult me isn't condusive to a debate environment. Please cease and desist.

Hmm... Well, Walt... I'm american, and I wasn't really offended by what he said, nor did I sence any anamosity in it.
Some americans ARE stupid.
His opinion isn't ANTI-American, it's HIS opinion on our barbaric actions.
Everyone has a right to express their feelings.
Now, Walt, just cause he's not in american doesn't mean he doesn't get freedom of speech~!
Like my dad said the other day... "It's wrong, It's like they're trying to bomb them back into the stone age!"

There's also training exercises that occur between forces, treaties, and other things that keep us there.

They can find someplace else to hold their training...
There are plenty of other places IN AMERICA, ON AMERICAN SOIL where they can hold training camps.


How do you figure? While I do believe (last I checked) there was a majority of people who want an Iraq pullout, how does that equate to a pull out of all areas?

Now... I said OTHER countrys too... so I hope you weren't counting me for the "Iraq only" thing <3

[Wolfman Walt]

Hmm... Well, Walt... I'm american, and I wasn't really offended by what he said, nor did I sence any anamosity in it.
Some americans ARE stupid.
But not ALL americans are stupid, that's why it's a generalization, and that's why it's offensive. He was calling you stupid too; or didn't you get that?

Now, Walt, just cause he's not in american doesn't mean he doesn't get freedom of speech~!
Freedom of speech is a myth, especially on a forum that has rules limiting your speech. One of these rules is "no flaming," and I'd appreciate it if he kept xenophobic attitudes out of things. He could get the same point across ("I believe Americans should get out of Yadayadaland because I do not think they have a right to be there.") without calling me, you, and a good majority of the forum members here stupid.


There are plenty of other places IN AMERICA, ON AMERICAN SOIL where they can hold training camps.
They don't train our soldiers there as in bootcamp, that belongs the various camps already here, like NTC in California. If you're referencing what I was talking about, I was talking about co-operative training excercises with other countries. Notice how I said "between" forces.

its more like that they accept that killing apart of their job, but its not their job. thats the difference i was trying to state.
Right - we're not dissagreeing here, when I said "It's their job to risk their lives" I should have said "Amongst other things" as risking life and limb IS a part of their job, but they do so much more.

[Luso Clemens]

Yes, I DID get it.
And I wasn't offended.

Wolfman... when I add the ~ I usually mean it in sarcasm.
Yes, I know, Freedom of Speech is DEAD.

Excuse me for misunderstanding that last bit.

I'm only trying to jangle you, that's all... I don't even know if I made any good points XD

[Ai]

ZOMG...Oi American Hero...check it...

http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/00000852.jpg

I rest my case..Pull out before the rest of the world finally begins to get the clue..

[Wolfman Walt]

So you can use the "Img" tags to put something up. Wow. You must be talented - what does equating America to the third reich have to do with anything in this topic? Make a point, boy, don't just put up an image or a quote and go "HAY, CONNECT THE DOTS." That's not how a debate works. A debate works where you state your position and then use evidence to back up your argument, you don't just put up images to whatever webcomic is popular just because it's the latest inweb meme. Also, there's alot of fact that comic has wrong - but that's saved for a different topic. If you don't like America and feel that it's equavilent to third reich Germany, go make a topic on it or atleast somehow equate it to an argument. So if you're resting your case, this is an awful place to do so as you've proved NOTHING.

Yes, I DID get it.
And I wasn't offended.
So then, if it's alright with him to make that statement, it's alright for me to make the statement, "All Tasmanians are fucking ingrates; although it shouldn't be their fault since their island is so inbred that we shouldn't expect anything BUT fucking ingrates. Still fucking ingrates who have never contributed anything significant to the world"? That's a generalized statement and isn't really that different from what our friend here said. It's perfectly acceptable to say that?

[Z_Blitz]

Wolfman Walt.

This is your first warning. GJ on earning it =/.

This thread is on the brink of being closed because of the excessive sharp language in it. I would recommend everyone to mind their language else I will recommend a ban for users who don't do so.

[Panzergraf]

I was going to post an appropriate image, but it looks like I need to spam some more first <_<

Anyway, what good will pulling the troops out do?
Iraq would collapse on itself in less than a week.

[hasuke]

Why was my post deleted :{? because it wasn't pertaining to this debate? Sorry.


I think we should pull troops out because my misinformed ass beleives they've been there long enough. Thats my opinion on that.

(now really, when there's cussing on other boards, why make a big deal out of it on here, where people are BOUND to get insanely overzealous about their views and opinions?)

[chiking1]

I think the US government is already pulling their troops out. However, this will take awhile because the countries hate them, and focus bombing US ships. Also, when the troops arrive back in US, they get billed and have to PAY for their ride back. I think that it is extremely unfair that they have to pay for their ride back because they are fighting for their country, and risk their lives.

Back to the topic. Yes, I think that the United States should pull their troops out, because most of the casualties are either troops, or normal people.

[Wolfman Walt]

Also, when the troops arrive back in US, they get billed and have to PAY for their ride back. I think that it is extremely unfair that they have to pay for their ride back because they are fighting for their country, and risk their lives.
Do you mind if I ask to see a source on that, I hadn't heard that yet and it's interesting since I didn't have to pay for my ride back home.

Back to the topic. Yes, I think that the United States should pull their troops out, because most of the casualties are either troops, or normal people.
Er - what else is there? Well I mean...there are animals, but still.

[yamiX000]

Personally I think we should pull our troops out and let them collasp and destroy each other...with one difference we (america) wont be sitting in the middle loosing soldiers......Becuase I see 3 options for America.....
A. Pull troops out let dumb country destroy itself
B. Keep troops there and continue loosing them while country still keeps being dumb
C. Just send an army and take the effin country and say "Too bad you people counldn't manage it properly so we'll just take it"

And I would go with A...:)

[grieversangel]

People need our help somewhere and all that's being done is nothing. The troops should be taken out and put to some use and help others!

[mind_fissure]

Personally I think we should pull our troops out and let them collasp and destroy each other...with one difference we (america) wont be sitting in the middle loosing soldiers......Becuase I see 3 options for America.....
A. Pull troops out let dumb country destroy itself
B. Keep troops there and continue loosing them while country still keeps being dumb
C. Just send an army and take the effin country and say "Too bad you people counldn't manage it properly so we'll just take it"

And I would go with A...:)


A. your forgeting its not a country we are protecting it is the people. by pulling out thousands will die.

B. we keep troops there until they can defend themselves

C. even if we took the country it would not stop them. if any thing it'd piss them off more. its not a country it is the people, and other people in that country are attempting to free themselves from the dictatorship that was forced upon them, while others wish to keep that dictatorship.

[ichigo547]

I really don't see the point of them staying there anymore. We keep losing troops the more they stay there.

[Wolfman Walt]

I really don't see the point of them staying there anymore. We keep losing troops the more they stay there.

I don't remember any troops being lost in Japan or Germany here recently due to wartime casualties.

[SolBeowulf19]

When it comes to looking for people who would try to do us harm and tracking them down, then I'm a bit...undecided on the matter. I mean, we have to keep someone from doing us harm, but we don't need to be sending so many people down there to look for them. At least I don't think. But when it comes to stuff like interfering in the fight between Lebanon and Israel, then we should pull out. We should not interfere in the affairs of those who have been doing what they're doing for so long.

[Shinomori]

I never condone pulling out early.

Aside from that statement, I'd do it. At this point, there's hardly anything more we can do to completely ruin our reputation, so we might as well stop killing our own people for something we now know to be completely false.