We live a memory?

[Jinzu]

Ok,
let's say, you're in the middle of an exiting dream, where you're being chased by a cop.......
then you're alarm goes off and you wake up,
not remembering even a part of that dream...
would that mean the dream never happened?
you don't remember anything and there is no sign of that dream ever happening, so did it even happen?
let's look back at let's say, a half year ago,
or, no...
8 months 1 week and 3 days.
do you remember what you ate that day?
no?
do you even remember eating something?
no?

did you eat anything that day then?
it totally blanked, you see?
we live now, and every second we look back into our memories, seeing what we typed just a second ago on this screen...
now, here's the question, do we see what we are seeing, or are we just experiencing a memory from a second ago? ^^

[DestinyBlade]

Hmmm... It's like chain of memories all over again... That could be a possiblity, though. I think it's something that triggers it. (ex. you dream of Fantasy land. you wake up, not remembering it. you go to disney-world. you see the castle and suddenly remember it.) Yep, it's something that triggers it, it's not just triggered by looking at something similar. You could be thinking something similar, or someone says something to you close to it.

Edit: I think we are seeing what we are seeing, but sometimes we view our memories through some sort of trigger. Sometimes we forget 'cause it's too far back in your head. Like that dream you mentioned.(sigh) the human mind is so complex to understand...

[Fect]

Here's another thought:

Suppose time is a circle, bending back on itself. The world repeats itself, precisely, endlessly.
For the most part, people do not know they will live their lives over. Traders do not know that they will make the same bargain again and again. Politicians do not know that they will shout from the same lectern an infinite number of times in the cycles of time. Parents treasure the first laugh from their child as if they will not hear it again. Lovers making love the first time undress shyly, show surprise at the supple thigh, the fragile nipple. How would they know that each secret glimpse, each touch, will be repeated again and again and again, exactly as before?...
In the world in which time is a circle, every handshake, every kiss, every birth, every word, will be repeated precisely. So too every moment that two friends stop becoming friends, every time that a family is broken because of money, every vicious remark in an argument between spouses, every opportunity denied because of a superior's jealousy, every promise not kept...



Do we live now, in the future, or in the past in dreams and memories? Or are they intertwined?

[Z-man]

Are you implying that the Matrix is real ?

[Avenger]

1)Dude sto watching matrix.
2)Human's memory capacity is limited.U may remember importand facts that happend 1 year ago but not details.But u can clearly remember what u did yesterday.I could give a further analysis but it is too difficult.If u want pm me and i'll tell u the details.

[Jinzu]

Yeah, well, i was supposing something like Fect...
(BTW: i only wached the matrix 43 timess...:pblow: , lol no)
The point is, are we sure of the fact that we live at all?
Maby we are at the exact same time floating somewhere, surrounded by darkness, in a coma-kind of state, viewing our memories, over and over again?

[Avenger]

I think therefor I exist.It is the least I can say to u.I am thinking to write this so I am here now.

[p0rkfri3drice]

LOLLLLLL This is hilarious, the theories people come up with.
Memories, dreams, deja-vu, all of that is all tied together somehow IMO. This is kind of interesting to think about and some of you might know what I'm talking about. But here's my experience of these things. I dream memories, sometimes. Sometimes, I will wake up from a dream and completely lose memory on what a was dreaming about. I sometimes dream events that have never happened, but end up happening. Deja-vu! duh. But ain't that an amazing concept? Humans haven't even touched on the general basis of a dream. But once we do, if we ever do, the answers would reveal much about life. Life is based on memories. I think dreams are something beyond our imaginations. Maybe we are living a dream... Maybe we live in our dreams and our life is just memories... And maybe the matrix is real.

[yellow flash]

I'm sorry I just think this topic is rediculous. This is like the classic "If a tree falls in the woods but no one is around to hear it, Does it make a sound?" Hell yeah it makes a sound! It's a loud ass thump since a tree just fell over. Anything that isn't happening at this exact moment isn't real? Well I have pictures in my cell phone to prove otherwise.

[p0rkfri3drice]

I'm sorry I just think this topic is rediculous. This is like the classic "If a tree falls in the woods but no one is around to hear it, Does it make a sound?" Hell yeah it makes a sound! It's a loud ass thump since a tree just fell over. Anything that isn't happening at this exact moment isn't real? Well I have pictures in my cell phone to prove otherwise.

Did you read what others said about this topic? Did you read the first post to explain the thread? Or did you just read the title of the thread and assumed? If you did or didn't, what I have to say is still the same: Your post was dumb and makes no sense to me in anything about the topic or anything about anything.

[Avenger]

p0rkfri3drice I don't think u know what dreams are that's why u are confused.Dreams are images of our desires,hopes,memories of events,somethink we like that the sub-consiousness show us while sleeping.If u see in a dream that u will miss the bus it is possible to happen.Your sub-consiousness makes u to.U are late cauze u do it yourself without knowing it.

[p0rkfri3drice]

p0rkfri3drice I don't think u know what dreams are that's why u are confused.Dreams are images of our desires,hopes,memories of events,somethink we like that the sub-consiousness show us while sleeping.If u see in a dream that u will miss the bus it is possible to happen.Your sub-consiousness makes u to.U are late cauze u do it yourself without knowing it.

I'll be straight out like you. Avenger, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Not one damn person on earth has proven wtf a dream is. Believe me, I'm not a 10 year old typing up random shit. I've researched the topic much more than you give me credit for =\, and the problem is you think you know. If I were to say, "Prove that a dream is a images of our desires, hopes, and memories of events," how would you answer that? From what I know, my dreams can be random as hell, like me as a kid being chased down by a statue that started moving. Yes, I did dream that before. That isn't a memory of any event that I know of, and it definitely isn't a hope or desire of mine.

[Neve]

Well...you can measure the cycles of REM and non-REM sleep to check whether dreams are happening can you not :D?

But seriously, you can suppose whatever you like. Suppose that the world was only created yesterday (Suzumiya Haruhi ^^). Suppose that the world is only a hallucination. Suppose that we don't exist. Suppose that you don't exist. You can be as cynical as you like about the world, but the chances are, it still exists, we still exist, you still exist, time isn't repeating in endless circles, we weren't created yesterday, our memories are real, and everything's just as boring as it was before =D. (not that I'm insulting you by calling you a cynic - it isn't by any means a bad thing).

[yellow flash]

Dreams are not necessarily experiences or desires. They are more like metaphors of things we think about and not meant to be taken literally. For example p0rkfri3drice's dream of being chased by a statue that moved was probably a fear he had about something that troubled him, something he wanted to get away from but couldn't. It doesn't have to be anything we hope for or a desire or anything like that. But obviously it is a manifestation of our thoughts. How could it possibly be anything else?

Oh and p0rkfri3drice, My comment made perfect sense and was completely relevant to this thread. As asking if what we are experiencing now is just the memory from a second ago is the same basic principle to the tree falling over in the woods. However I do believe you when you say that it made no sense to you. Unfortunately that just means you were to slow to comprehend. Then you wonder why you have negative 52 rep points. Get a clue.

[p0rkfri3drice]

LOLOLOLOLOL pwhahahah i have -52 rep points cuz we was testing how low it can go. we discovered the red tick!
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but uhhh..i'm not going to take that one offensively. if you meant it that way, you can feel free to send me a PM!

*back to topic* to my dream of the statue chasing me; i'm not sure i remember the events that were happening around the time i dreamed that, but you could well be damn right that something was troubling me. so i do believe that might be true. however, i think dreams are much more complicated than we take them for, just as when people thought the earth was flat! my point being was that no one fully understands the concept of a dream yet, and that it actually might connect to our lives in some way that we do not know yet. *that is all*

[chiking1]

Dreams are not necessarily experiences or desires. They are more like metaphors of things we think about and not meant to be taken literally. For example p0rkfri3drice's dream of being chased by a statue that moved was probably a fear he had about something that troubled him, something he wanted to get away from but couldn't. It doesn't have to be anything we hope for or a desire or anything like that.
Yea, I believe it's something like a metaphor too. Also, scientists have discovered that what we hear, smell or feel when we are sleeping also affects our dreams. For example, they had a person sleep, then played calm music into their ears, and the person had a 'sweet' dream. However, the next time they did it, they played the noise of a firetruck, and the person claimed they were dreaming about fire before they woke up.

[Jinzu]

Guy's, you better think before you start claiming wise shit like: i think therefore i exist....
for example, if you're just a foetus, and you're not born yet,
and your brains are not yet fully developed, you don't have thaughts, only random desires and instincts, do you yet exist?
if based on the definition of a human being:
no, you do not exist as a person, therefore, you have no rights...
but could someone kill a foetus and get away without a punishment?
i don't think so?
so why the hell can you step on an ant, and nobody would even care?
and imangine you ARE that unborn child, not even in a human-like shape:
can you actually dream?
for deams are based on memories, if you don't experience anything,
can you deam?
forthen, do you exist?

[Jasper]

Watch out for the language Jinzu. I'll issue you a warning at this rate.

In regards to your first post about the dream thing... Its only normal that you don't remember a big part of your dream that might even be quite important to make everything that happened to you sound sensible. That is mainly because when dreaming the unconscious part of your brain is what is responsible for presenting those images to you during your sleep. Normally that part only functions when you aren't conscious i.e. sleeping, and argueably drunk.

Back to the topic. I think that we see what see normally and live our lives normally. It is when time passes that you begin to think that what you saw is a memory, you LIVED the memory, yet you don't live it right now until its time passes :). Well at least thats how I'd like to think of it.

[Random Havoc]

here's the question, do we see what we are seeing, or are we just experiencing a memory from a second ago? ^^

Based on this specific question and nothing else in this debate, let me ask you: Does it make a difference no matter what the answer is? That's something else for you to ponder on.

[Jinzu]

well, actually it does make a difference,
see, every time we make a choice, we base it on what has happened and what would happen...if somebody lives in second earlier then another,
and in that second, he should gain important knowledge, then it MAKES a difference... :P (not that there's a chance of that happening within the nubmbers 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :p

[Clarion]

I would recommend that some of you look into the movie "Waking Life" as it is indirectly related to this post. It's about philosophy and lucid dreaming as well as constructions of reality. As a warning, it's not for people with ADD but is truely inciteful.

ww.imdb.com/title/tt0243017/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_life

[SylvanSatyr]

I'm not saying I remember all of my dreams but sometimes I'll remember a dream and then the more I think about it the more it slips away from memory. some of them I experiece deja vu and suddenly remember some of it but not all of it. another thing about memories is details aren't always important and the more dramatic things are the more etched in the brain they become. I'm not saying that things like that can't be forgotten but I see it as something that's harder to forget. also, not even really caring about something might have something to do with it.

[pooh_bear_winnie]

eek!! this is getting more and more confusing. if the world we're looking at right now isnt real.. then what is?? to us, to our senses, everything around us is real, our expiriences are real. (dreams are another thing) so is the matrix real? sometimes i think this doesnt really matter, why think about the meaning of life (its 42) when you could be eating at mcdonalds??