Bounto Question

[kav2001c]

Weird question I was wondering about (maybe I missed something or...)

Correct me if Im wrong but the Bounto survived for however many years by consuming souls of dead humans
Then someone (Kariya?) figured out consuming living souls which was forbidden would give them alot more power

If thats true, why would going back to Soul Society help them in any way? (all the spirit particles in SS are dead after all...)
Wouldnt trying to absorb the albeit fewer spirit particles in the real world give them a much bigger spirit boost? (its not like there are so many Bounto that they were using up all the energy in the real world even)

[TwilightFlower]

By staying in the living world, they would have to rely on human souls for "food", if you will. In Soul Society, everything around them is made up of spirit particles, so they don't have to actively seek out new victims. Plus they can absorb more spirit particles at once. They can actually end up getting more power at once in Soul Society than on Earth. Besides, their goal is revenge against Soul Society. Sooner or later they would have had to go there anyway.

[razasharp20]

the entire arc doesnt make much sense which is why its being disregarded by many. If you dont understand something chances are u are in the majority. Hopefully this arc doesnt end up affecting the future storyline (as I think it will).:sad:

[buituyenjr]

cuz everything in SS is spirit particle while there're only some in the real world are spirit particle PLUS they can only absorb dead souls and can hardly absorb living soul. they can indirectly through bitto...
the entire arc doesnt make much sense which is why its being disregarded by many. If you dont understand something chances are u are in the majority. Hopefully this arc doesnt end up affecting the future storyline (as I think it will).
u think so?? so why are you here??

[TwilightFlower]

Actually the Bounto can absorb the souls of living humans without the aid of the Bitto. The first time we see Yoshino, she is attempting to do this and we see that she goes for the neck, which is where the idea of vampires sucking blood from their victims' necks supposedly comes from. However, the Bitto are designed to refine and concentrate the power they absorb from living souls so the Bounto have to do less work for more power.

[Kabane]

Weird question I was wondering about (maybe I missed something or...)
Correct me if Im wrong but the Bounto survived for however many years by consuming souls of dead humans
Then someone (Kariya?) figured out consuming living souls which was forbidden would give them alot more power
If thats true, why would going back to Soul Society help them in any way? (all the spirit particles in SS are dead after all...)
Wouldnt trying to absorb the albeit fewer spirit particles in the real world give them a much bigger spirit boost? (its not like there are so many Bounto that they were using up all the energy in the real world even)

It's not necessarily because the person is "alive" for the Soul to be ripe for eating. It's the amount of energy that remains in the body. When a human dies, slowly but surely the reiatsu, however much the bieng has, will begin to leave the body. The more "alive" the human is, the more reiatsu will remain in the body. Alive body = much reiatsu, Dead corpse = little reiatsu.

In soul society, everyone is dead, but the amount of reiatsu is mcuh greater than anything that can be found on earth. Thus, going to Soul Society where there is reiatsu everywhere and anywhere, would be most beneficial for a Bounto to absorb energy.

[rOyKiA]

Right,,and aside from what prophecy424 said. SS is the ideal place for the Bountos revenge to take place since the reiatsu is scattered everywhere, not to mention stronger.

Instead of relying on the humans or bitto for reiatsu they can just absorb whatever's around them like having a battery supplying them with infinite power. So if they get their ass kicked in SS they can just act like nothing happened after replenishing their spiritual power. Therefore giving them a higher chance of success.

[*Hollow*Ichigo]

ummm i think its because They want revenge for bringng them alive......because theres no point of living

[yellow flash]

The bounto needed the bitto because they could absorb many souls at once. Like when we first see Yoshino she is trying to absorb one human soul. While taking a drink from the bitto is like a concentration of many souls. However while in SS they don't necessarily need souls because everything around them is made of spirit particles. Nothing in the bounto arc is really that hard to understand. People just get in their heads "Fillers = Bad" So they don't bother paying as close of attention to the filler arc simply because it isn't in the manga.

[IcYxWiNd]

i think they could absorb spirit particles and living souls

[razasharp20]

cuz everything in SS is spirit particle while there're only some in the real world are spirit particle PLUS they can only absorb dead souls and can hardly absorb living soul. they can indirectly through bitto...
u think so?? so why are you here??


I just think that putting the Bounto up against Soul Society and making them as strong as Shinigami kinda weakens the whole concept of being a shinigami. if a Bounto can take out a Captain, it kinda cheapens the ridiculously hard battles that Ichigo fought in his first trip to Soul Society. maybe I'm being overly negative.:doindadom

[DestinyBlade]

Wait, lets back up and review so far:

1) the liquid from the bitto is basically refined and concentrated (supposedly tastes better, too)
2) the spirit particles in S.S. gives them a better chance of succeeding in combat and whatever else they do (like a built-in gameshark; sorry if thats not a good example)
3) Bounto can absorb souls like vampires drink blood supposedly
4) etc. blahblahblah, I know all of this just organizing what you guys all have said in one post.

Im not sure if they came to soul society for just revenge, though...

PS. NO spoilers to those who havent seen this (just in case)

[TwilightFlower]

When did a Bounto take out a captain? Vice-captains, yes, but they were in the living world at the time and have to limit their power while there. We haven't seen a Bounto defeat any captain so far.

[razasharp20]

When did a Bounto take out a captain? Vice-captains, yes, but they were in the living world at the time and have to limit their power while there. We haven't seen a Bounto defeat any captain so far.

Yeah but seeing Byakuya and Kariya set to face off leaves me thinking they will eventually defeat or at least bust up a captain, considering how easily they have been handling the squads and lieutenants. Since Souls Society is all spirit particles Bounto are supposed to become stronger by absorbing them which i think would kinda nullify the strenght increase of a shinigami in SS.

[Gillies]

I think the Captains will be able to hold their ground. Here is a quick question. Why do you think the Bounto are getting help from the normal souls? Personally I think they are going to lead them into a revolution. Forcing the Shinigami to tip the scales of balance. Cause destruction in both worlds. What do you think?

[rOyKiA]

That's possible.....another possibility is that Kariya may be manipulating the normal souls in SS (forgot the word for normal souls)...you know, provide distraction therefore dividing the obstacles in their way and have more chances of creating destruction.

[ManjiSTP]

Well that's clearly the idea - Jin just wants to cause a bit of chaos. But it's really, really stupid though. Why the hell would shinigami give a crap about the riot of some tramps from Rukongai? Any shinigami worth his salt could Spell of Binding them all to the spot.

It's another ridiculous filler idea that a strong guy like Jin would recruit weak, regular souls to help him. That would be like Majin Buu getting 20 human bank robbers to help him fight Goku... :rolleyes:

The only way this silly plot could redeem itself is if Jin uses the Rukongai people as hostages after tricking them to go into seireitei with him. Even then, with his power he could have just forced them into Seireitei with him... What's more - why would he need hostages? These shinigami can move at the speed of light so a human shield is worthless. Oh, poor anime team - I feel deja vu from Dragonball GT.

[Fallen One]

I think this well affect the story line. Causing Byakya not to hate Ichigo so much. Thats all.

[kav2001c]

What exactly are the dolls for that matter?
We know they only work for the Bounto if the Bounto are strong enough to actually control them (the flashback scene shows Cain getting killed by his own doll because he wasnt ready yet... did Kariya do something wrong in the book or is he being so reckless that other Bounto will turn on him?)

I assume some of the Bountos story will make more sense once they find the one who did the experiments on them in the first place

I also have an idea that Kariya wants to modify the normal souls... give them dolls as well (I just have this idea he is forcing Bounto to quickly and thats why some died... which will cause someone (most likely Daruku & the German guy.. I forget name?) to turn on him

[TwilightFlower]

The dolls are similar to a Shinigami's zanpakutou. They are like an extension of the wielder's soul but with a distinct personality. And Cain's case was not Kariya's fault. Kariya's instructions were good. Cain, however, was too impatient and was not ready to take on the doll all by himself. Koga told him that he would supervise but Cain didn't want to tait for that.

I doubt very seriously that Kariya wants to give the normal souls dolls or any power at all, for that matter. If anything, he probably wants them as a distraction because the Bounto cannot be sensed like most Shinigami can. Therefore, a fighting human could pass for a fighting Bounto for a brief period (until the Shinigami easily defeats the normal soul and realizes what's going on). That would give the Bounto time to do whatever it is they went to SS to do. Kariya's agenda is rather shady at this point. We know he wants revenge, but we don't know what he intends to do to get it.

[kav2001c]

Kariya's motives seem *really* haphazzard (I assume due to either poor writing or the writers changing minds mid-arc)

Even in the beginning they seem to do a quite dedicated job of trying to kill the Quincy (who suddenly becomes the key their entire plan hinges on... pretty risky IMO)

They declare they want revenge on the Shinigami, power up, and go and hide out (some are in the bad part of town, Rukongai, others randomly wander the streets and get into fights to distract everyone while they blow up some buildings...)

Its just plain weird (Im *hoping* it isnt going to be some throwaway revelation... even if its filler Id rather they spent more time developing it than just trying to rush episodes out... even the core manga has started doing this as well though Im afraid the huge continuity errors are going to take the series down a notch...)

[ManjiSTP]

kav2001c: I totally agree with you, 100%. The whole thing is so disjointed and badly planned. I mean, why did they even spend about 10 or 11 episodes with Ririn and co. as the "bad guys"? Then, as you say, they had the Bounto want to kill the Quincy which bizarrely turned into them needing the Quincy...

I mean, "Hey mom, I'm gonna kill dad!"
"What's the- why what's he done?"
"What? I mean I need dad... To help me fix my car!"
Umm....

Then they had to think of a reason why they need Ishida. So they came up with that idiotic crap about his powers opening the portal - but gee, he doesn't have powers right now... I know! Nemu will give him a bracelet that returns them to him (I mean, she would have one, wouldn't she..? >_>), thus undermining any future manga events pertaining to his powers... :rolleyes:

Now the Bounto are just meaninglessly wandering around Soul Society. Why do they need a god damn distraction if they can't be sensed by the shinigami? It won't be a distraction anyway, because the shinigami can sense the Rukongai spirits so they'll know they're not Bounto - meanwhile Ririn, Nova or Cloud can just sense the Bounto... I mean seriously, was this written by someone who keeps going into and out of a coma, and never knows quite who they are?

Not to mention - the entire distraction thing is just bolted on - they already sneaked in and blew up that building, or attacked it or whatever they did... I must have been distracted by paint drying or something at the time...

[TwilightFlower]

I will be glad to see this filler arc end, just to see how they manage to wrap up this mess. They have so much random stuff to explain away. I'll be amused to see how they cover it.

[razasharp20]

heh whats funny is I bet a few episodes after this arc is over we will have completely stopped talking about the Bounto arc. Like this never happened. The'll be just a bad memory in time. Still love the show i just watch the old ones over and over:Domo