Fight between Ukitake and Kyoraku, who would win??

[Yuki]

It's a question that came to my mind while reading other fights... Their zankupatohs are twins and that's very interesting... Why are twins?? Perhaps coz they have similar power??

Dunno, vote here to find out the truth!!

[TwilightFlower]

That's a really tricky question. They have been Shinigami for the same amount of time, so there's no immediate age advantage on either side. They both have the double blade, so the sword mathup is pretty even. They're both captains, so we can't really go into the power issue. Then there's the fact they would probably never want to seriously fight each other. We really haven't seen the abilities of either zanpakutou, so I really can't choose a winner out of the two.

[yellow flash]

Man I was actually just about to make this thread. Damnit. Anyway, If had to guess I would probably say Kyouraku. Yeah they were both the first captains in the Gotei 13, And they both have dual zanpahkutous, But Ukitake is kind of sickly. While Kyouraku is well rested from the many naps he takes. Based on appearances alone I would say Kyouraku's shikai is more impressive as well. Based on all of that my vote definately goes to Kyouraku.

[TwilightFlower]

Ukitake is sometimes sick but not always. It didn't seem to affect his performance when they were fighting Yamamoto. Besides, Kyouraku would be impaired by a hangover from the sake he always seems to have. They balance each other out.

[yellow flash]

How would you know if it affected him during his fight with Yamamoto? The only parts of that fight they showed was them standing there talking. Not to mention among people in my family, Long time alcoholics don't really get hangovers because they have such a high tolerance they don't get that drunk. Yeah if they have enough determination they can down an entire bottle of jack and get smashed. But many alcoholics just drink to satisfy their cravings and relax a little bit, Not necessarily to get drunk. And I know haven't seen Kyouraku that drunk in the anime or the manga. So I think it's safe to say he is a responsible drinker.

[TwilightFlower]

No, we didn't get to see that much of the fight between Yamamoto and the other two, but it's kind of hard to miss a guy coughing up blood. He wasn't doing that in any of the fight that we saw. He's not constantly sick. He has a constant disease, yes, but it doesn't affect him all the time. I still say the two are pretty evenly matched and at any one point, either one stands a goood chance of winning.

[IcYxWiNd]

i would say they are very close in terms of power and exp,but shinsui isnt sick and utikate is,so i would say shinsun

[TwilightFlower]

Don't underestimate Ukitake because he happens to be sick. He's still an extremely powerful captain and not to be taken lightly.

[yellow flash]

Of course Ukitake is powerful and could probably take down many of the other captains. But Kyouraku has been around just as long as is just as powerful. A little thing like an illness can give a distinct advantage to a healthy person when the two are so evenly matched to begin with.

[TwilightFlower]

I'm still not quite buying it. Ukitake is used to his illness by now. Barring any serious complication (i.e. life-threatening), I'm pretty sure that he could either work around it or just cope with it.

[natto]

They're pretty even, for me. Ukitate's disease may cripple him, but not to extent of hindering his fighting ability. :'D

[Yuki]

I also think that Kyoraku is stronger... Not much more but more strong... I think like you Yellow, Ukitake seems weaker coz he has a chronical disease with acute symptoms... But it's really a tricky question...

@Yellow-kun: Gomen na sai... I didn't want to stole you the idea... It's just a coincidence ^^

[BaronFel]

A tough choice, and if pressed to make a choice, I would say Kyouraku. Although, even Yamamoto said that Ukitake had a frail body, but in a fight that he could hold his own. I would still say the sickness has to take a physical toll to Ukitake.

[SHiKaMaRi]

Its definitely a difficult decision, but in the end, I would go for Ukitake.
Like said before, both have been around for the same amount of time, and both are very powerful. Many people are underestimating Ukitake due to his sickess, but keep in mind that his sickness doesn't affect him all the time, only when he gets panicked, or something like that.
If i'm correct, Ukitake's hair had turned white three days after the illness had surfaced. In the academy, he already had white hair, meaning he already had his illness then, yet didn't Yamamoto say they were 'both equal' still?
If the illness affects Ukitake during the time in which he fights Kyouraku (which i doubt), of course Ukitake would lose the battle. If not, it would be no doubt that Ukitake will win.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Kyoraku, Ukitake seems serious most of the time, therefore this implies that he shows most of his potential in his fights and takes them seriously and with resolve, while Kyoraku has been mostly laid back and fights jokingly however strong the opponent ( watch Sado Yasotora VS. Kyoraku Shinsui ) so he has not shown ANY potential or resolve, imagine then if he shows any or becomes serious as Ukitake in fights, chad was taken down in 4 seconds, if he was serious chad wouldn't have even seen his face...

So, Kyoraku.

[SHiKaMaRi]

Kyoraku, Ukitake seems serious most of the time, therefore this implies that he shows most of his potential in his fights and takes them seriously and with resolve, while Kyoraku has been mostly laid back and fights jokingly however strong the opponent ( watch Sado Yasotora VS. Kyoraku Shinsui ) so he has not shown ANY potential or resolve, imagine then if he shows any or becomes serious as Ukitake in fights, chad was taken down in 4 seconds, if he was serious chad wouldn't have even seen his face...
So, Kyoraku.

I cannot be convinced with that. We've seen Kyouraku fight, but we've never seen Ukitake fight before. If Ukitake was to fight Chad, he might've been able to defeat Chad in the time less than what Kyouraku took. Kyouraku might not have shown any potential or resolve, but in most fights, Ukitake tends to hold back as well.

[Ollson]

I think that Shunsui would win.
He feels more like a fighter than Ukitake.
Ukitake feels more like an old wise man.
However, this assumption isn't really accurate, because Yamamoto also feels like an old wise man, and he's like the strongest Shinigami in ss.
But i'll still go with Shunsui.

[Lovekiller93]

'Old wise man'?! I just happen to pass by CB and saw this post. Its simple. Ukitake will win~
-tehee, i'm back for this hour~-

[Hollow_Man_ct]

We've seen Kyouraku fight, but we've never seen Ukitake fight before.

Oh? then my eyes must have deceived me when I saw a guy with white long hair running at a possesed Kaien of the 13th Division with sword first..

Also my point was, Ukitake already shows resolve in his fights while Kyoraku doesn't and they were both equal in strength, what would happen if Kyoraku had the same resolve as Ukitake, it maybe Shinsui's personality that's holding him back but if he overcomes that and suddenly goes serious, good-bye Ukitake..

[Lovekiller93]

Oh? then my eyes must have deceived me when I saw a guy with white long hair running at a possesed Kaien of the 13th Division with sword first..
Also my point was, Ukitake already shows resolve in his fights while Kyoraku doesn't and they were both equal in strength, what would happen if Kyoraku had the same resolve as Ukitake, it maybe Shinsui's personality that's holding him back but if he overcomes that and suddenly goes serious, good-bye Ukitake..

Geez! Shikamari just forgot that scene, be nice! Think about it. If your division member was in danger, obviously you wont be joking around and fight seriously. Kyouraku wasn't all that serious fighting Chad, he was relaxed and laidback actually. Also at that time, nobody else was involved in his (Shunsui's) fight, therefore he could take all the time he wanted.
But with Ukitake, Rukia was at risk of getting killed as well, and he was fighting his VC.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Geez! Shikamari just forgot that scene, be nice! Think about it. If your division member was in danger, obviously you wont be joking around and fight seriously. Kyouraku wasn't all that serious fighting Chad, he was relaxed and laidback actually. Also at that time, nobody else was involved in his (Shunsui's) fight, therefore he could take all the time he wanted.
But with Ukitake, Rukia was at risk of getting killed as well, and he was fighting his VC.

First of all, I am not nice ( maybe when I am in a good mood I am, but usually, no... ).

Secondly, Kyoraku did NOT fight his VC, Kyoraku Vs. Nanao-Chan? Jog my memory cause I seem to have missed that one..

Thirdly, Kyoraku was also laid back while fighting Yama-jii, that was including his OWN life, don't you think that should get him a bit serious?

Fourthly, nice sig! ^_^

[SHiKaMaRi]

Lol. Love'z sig is adorable... Anyways, what I think Love meant was that Ukitake was fighting his VC Kaien, not Kyouraku fighting Ise- I doubt that this would EVER happen.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

But maybe if they get married Shinsui would then fight a losing battle.. lol.

Also, Ukitake knew that he was not actually fighting Kaien and instead he was fighting the Hollow who had possesed Kaien and there was no way of retreiving him, so it wasn't much of a sacrifice in his point of view, which proves he is always serious.

[SHiKaMaRi]

I get what you're saying Hollow_Man, but I still disagree (I have nothing against Kyouraku). I find both equal in skills and intelligence, its just their personality that seperates them. I shall leave the debate part to Love... (She's a Ukitake freak) She'll be on shortly... I think.

[Miyata]

I think that both of these captains are pretty equally matched. Even Yamamoto refers to them as the next strongest after him so you can't really be sure about who is going to win. I want Kyouraku to win just because of the fact that hes lazy like me, but so far, the only way I can judge the winner of this battle, is by the personality of its competitors.

[TwilightFlower]

Just because Kyouraku can appear laid-back doesn't mean anything. He can appear laid back and still fight with resolve. His attitude doesn't hold him back. Neither does Ukitake's seriousness indicate that he is putting any more resolve or effort into his fights. They act that way naturally and they act that same way in battles. I don't see how it indicates that Kyouraku is so much stronger than Ukitake.

As to the issue with Chad, Chad was a ryoka, hardly a threat to a Shinigami captain. Ukitake would have gone pretty easy on him too. He probably would have said the same thing about not wanting to fight Chad because he wouldn't want to hurt the boy. You can't compare Chad's fight with Kyouraku to Hollow Kaien's fight with Ukitake. The power levels and emotion levels are different in both situations.

[Decado]

my gut says Kyoraku but my head says Ukitake...i don't know y really...just the way u see Ukitake handle his swords in the intro..and that he's more clever by what we've seen...

[Kazmiz]

Personally, I believe it would end in a draw.

[Kabane]

Kyouraku obviously. Ukitake's sickness does cripple him in the battle field. If you remember he had an "attack" when he battled w/ Kaien if you remember.

[Exodus]

I think Ukitake will start owning in the beginning of the match, then he starts coughing out blood. Shunsui will then aid Ukitake saying if he is all right, then Ukitake will cheap shot Shunsui, when he has let his guard down. Don't underestimate the sick people.

[SHiKaMaRi]

I think Ukitake will start owning in the beginning of the match, then he starts coughing out blood. Shunsui will then aid Ukitake saying if he is all right, then Ukitake will cheap shot Shunsui, when he has let his guard down. Don't underestimate the sick people.

ROFLMAO. Hilarious XD
But it's definitely true... Kyouraku would probably leave Ukitake when shiro-chan starts coughing out blood, and *bam* Kyouraku's out. Sick people rox~

[Kurai-chan]

^^probably Ukitake won't do that because he's such a nice guY! hmm. anyways.. i think Shunsui would win this match because i always have this impression that the lazy guys shouldn't be under-estimated. (like shikamaru in naruto, yoh in shaman king, etc.) he may equal Ukitake in terms of experience and power but we have never really seen Kyoraku become serious in a fight, hadn't we?

[Seilin]

I think Kyoraku is in advantage because Ukitake is sick. Like in Rukia's flashabck, he was only chasing Kaien and right when he want to follow more to stop the evil Kaien, he started coughing up blood. I think that is enough to say that he can hardly fight for long in a battle and even if they are in the same level, his sickness has already made him in disadvantage.

[patrickteng240]

I prefer Kyoraku ....... because Ukitake always sick.

[SHiKaMaRi]

Man, so many people are saying that... 'Because Ukitake is sick'
Though Ukitake might have coughed out blood halfway chasing Hollow Kaien, in the fight with Yamamoto, he didn't *I don't think he did anyway. Shouldn't there be blood at the side of his mouth if he did?*

[choking]

kyorako... its simple ukitake has the cugh thingy, which gives kyoraku an advantage

[TwilightFlower]

He doesn't always cough up blood. He is constantly sick, but it doesn't affect him all the time. Just because he coughed up blood when dealing with Kaien doesn't necessarily mean the same thing owuld happen in every fight he takes part in. He didn't seem affected by his illness when they fought Yamamoto and he wouldn't necessarily be affected in a fight between him and Kyouraku.

[Yuki]

Well, maybe u r right... anyway, Ukitake has been sick... His body and defenses have suffered more... And Kyoraku hasn't shown any piece of sickness... If we are considering their power as equal, we should consider also that point... So, in this case, Kyoraku have more probabilities to win... ^^

[Achilles]

Ukitake would win

[gerralin]

I think Kyoraku would win, he seems very powerful..

[SHiKaMaRi]

I really think that drinking so much sake has screwed up Kyouraku's brain o_o
One of the reasons why I went for Ukitake.

[Kootje]

Kyouraku wins since ukitake's sick, they both are the best! but they both have twin zanpakto right it's not like there zanpakto are twin brothers

[Zack_jenkins]

shunsui easily just because he is in better health.. i belive that in ukitakes prime (before the TB) he could have probably beat shunsui but now i give it to shunsui

[Draco]

I think that Ukitake has a better chance of winning due to the fact that he probably had more field work than Kyouraku, despite the fact Ukitake is ill

[Guy]

Wow, so many people judge Ukitake will lose because he is sick. Not a lot of people bring up the fact that Kyouraku is lazy and might fall asleep on the battlefield. I don't know who will win. They both have advantages and disadvantages. It would be a draw, probably.

[Draco]

That is a good point. Kyouraku is lazy and on the bleach ds game he does fall asleep

[HollowZangetsu]

I voted for Ukitake but that's just because i needed to pick one. Aside from the fact that Ukitake is sick all the time in straight power and skill it's hard to decide. They are too similar to each other and their moves are too unknown but if I wanted one to win it would be ukitake.

[VinScythe]

I always see Shunsui sticking up for Ukitake, from that I can assume he's gotten more action and experience(and more ass too) plus Yamma himself said Shunsui was better at the swords while Ukitake at the friends..

I really dont see how this lazyness or being sick crap would cause dramatic changes, Shunsui didn't slack(or fall asleep!) with Yamma to be doing as well as his kin who didn't cough blood in that match which lasted longer than Ichi vs Bya.

[L'Arc Enzeru]

hm... difficult but i choose Kyoraku, i know that just because Ukitake had illness i can't underestimate him but i think Kyoraku is just stronger although he's lazy....

[Lust]

hmm this is interesting since both of them have a really unique zanpaktou anyway...i think shunsui will win ukitake since he is ill but....i think he is hidding his strenght eventhought he was ill...

[Lirion]

I think it would be a draw or the one that get's that lucky hit wins. I don't think one of them is stronger than the other, but if Ukitakes illness kicks in then he's out of luck.

[Sinist3r]

toughie...cant say for sure cause u dont know the extent of each captain's powers and they are about even in power from what i have seen...the only disadvantage ukitake would have is if he suddenly becomes sick in a battle

[dragado123]

Uhhh i guess i would pick Shunsui because i mean even though he is lazy and all and the matter of fact that he's not always serious with alot of things doesn't actually mean anything during a fight. I bet you when he is fighting seriously he becomes majorly strong :) but then don't forget that Ukitake is sick so that would be a minus for him. So yeah that's why i pick Shunsui.

[nouscomd]

oh really difficult questions for me.. I am not sure but Ukitaki 'd win coz he seems more serious than Kyoraku..

[.Socio]

This is a tough one, Ukitake is sick but Kyoraku is lazy and hates fighting, if they were both serious, match to the death, i would have to say Shunsui Kyoraku, which is why i voted for him.

[koolspot]

Kyoraku shunsui. There is no info about their powers but ukitake is sick, and in a hot moment...