American Bleach

[Enraku78]

I'm sure I'm not alone here...Does the US really have what it takes to maintain the AWESOMENESS that is bleach? I mean, we all saw how Cartoon Network completely destroyed Naruto. They totally butchered everything. But then its clearly geared to the younger audience...its right there next to yu-gi-oh g/x and teen titans. If your an avid fan of Naruto, you were not impressed by Cartoon Network's version 2.0...hell, if your an avid fan your not even watching television, let alone CARTOON NETWORK. lol. Anyway...when i saw the ad for Bleach I was feeling kind of queasy about it. I'm feeling ups and downs because it could still be good ole classic bleach because it's actually Adult Swim and not Cartoon Network at all. Should we be forewarned?

::realizes she doesn't care much because she's bittorents all her eps::

[yellow flash]

To the all the people who don't know about bittorrent, Bleach is gonna be a smash hit. Because those people don't start off a show with the stereo type "english dubs = bad" They just appreciate it for what it is. The mind is a powerful thing. If you come into something expecting that you won't like it, Then chances are you won't like it. As far as the blood goes, Adult swim can definately handle it. Seeing as how it's not really that gorey. Compared to animes like Berserk , Gantz, and Elfen leid, Bleach is like a kiddy show.

[MoonCannon]

Well, you never know the outcome of this until the show actually comes out, as the featured Voice actors were quite fitting for the show, and like you said, Adult Swim is airing Bleach so we can safely say that about no scenes would be butchered at all.

Either way you are going to have to wait for the real thing to be aired or you can't really make a judgement. Afterall, there were some animes that turned out better then the original when they came to America, so we can only hope that Bleach will be a lucky one to do better(or the same) then the original.

[Buuhan1]

America didn't burcher Naruto, Narutards did with their complaining.

[StoneTitan]

Compared to animes like Berserk , Gantz, and Elfen leid, Bleach is like a kiddy show.


Hmm... you can't say that for sure when the serie is still ongoing, but no doubt the bleach anime ain't as bloody as the manga.
Looking at ZP Bleach might become more violent then we have seen this far.


Though if you want to see blood, i would advice taking a look at "Ginga Nagareboshi Gin" or "Ginga densetsu Weed" as Mangas.

There you see stuff like dogs tearing up stomachs of humans and eating the organs, later this dog im thinking about, lay it self upon the dead body, crushing it beneath it's weight getting blood and more in its fur.

[Avenger]

Well I am not intereted in dubbed anime.I don't know why but i don't like it except some really rare times like Berserk that fitted nice.I won't say anythink like if it is going to be good or bad.And even if it really is bad one think matters.There are many kids from 5-15 years old that don't have access to internet or don't know about anime and stuff and watch every week the new episode with joy and are happy.Cauze that's what anime is.Making people happy.We that don't like can contineu d/l it and never see it in TV and there won't be any problem.

[saber]

They just gonna ruin bleach like gundam seed destiny and naruto -.-

[InsanesnakeShinigami]

I'm looking forward to the dubs, because i've been blabbing about bleach to my friends for years, and I'm getting tired of burning them DVDs.

[TwilightFlower]

^ I know the feeling. I keep telling my friends about Bleach but they never get the chance to watch the subs. So I keep just telling them to watch the dubs when they air.

[Buuhan1]

They just gonna ruin bleach like gundam seed destiny and naruto -.-

Sorry, but you fail.

[Kabane]

heh.../moved to the subsection known as Bleach Dub.

[hasuke]

Hmm... you can't say that for sure when the serie is still ongoing, but no doubt the bleach anime ain't as bloody as the manga.
Looking at ZP Bleach might become more violent then we have seen this far.
Though if you want to see blood, i would advice taking a look at "Ginga Nagareboshi Gin" or "Ginga densetsu Weed" as Mangas.
There you see stuff like dogs tearing up stomachs of humans and eating the organs, later this dog im thinking about, lay it self upon the dead body, crushing it beneath it's weight getting blood and more in its fur.

he CAN say that for sure when the series is still ongoing. In bleach, no one dies. There's a little blood, thats it. It's not going to get more violent. If it did, it would have to become seinen, and it's not going to do that.

They just gonna ruin bleach like gundam seed destiny and naruto -.-

Sorry you can ruin what already sucked :3

[Exodus]

Well, you might as well watch the dubs anyways, because guaranteed there will be a lot of questions about it, and I know you don't want to be left out. Unless you are really against dubbed versions of shows.

BTW, I am not against dub.

[hasuke]

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[DragonBlade]

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[Kabane]

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[gdo01]

To anyone who cares: Adult Swim has set up a Bleach website. http://www.adultswim.com/shows/bleach/index.html

As predicted, *Asterisk and Life is Like a Boat are the opening and ending songs respectively and apparantly are going to be shown in their entirety on TV.

Also, the episode guide shows that soul candy has been left as being called Gikongan

[NinjaDuck]

thats what i like about adult swim, they leave the openings intacked. I am also glad they aren't overtranslating everything.

[Nen]

There is no way in hell Bleach is becoming a kiddie show, Naruto is already a bad show, let Bleach still be cool.

Bleach isn't a show for brats and annoying kids who don't even watch anime, they just sit for five minutes then bounce off the chair and run around.

Besides don't kids have Pokmon or Yigo? Or what ever its called? Let us Intelligent adults and teens have the good anime, who actually PAY for it.

[ShihouniYoruichi]

well i think it sucks that america gets bleach and trinity blood first and over here in australia we have to suffer with the english naruto!!!

[ShihouniYoruichi]

There is no way in hell Bleach is becoming a kiddie show, Naruto is already a bad show, let Bleach still be cool.
Bleach isn't a show for brats and annoying kids who don't even watch anime, they just sit for five minutes then bounce off the chair and run around.
Besides don't kids have Pokmon or Yigo? Or what ever its called? Let us Intelligent adults and teens have the good anime, who actually PAY for it.

lol that is funny

[Buuhan1]

well i think it sucks that america gets bleach and trinity blood first and over here in australia we have to suffer with the english naruto!!!

Goto the doctor, cause the naruto dub is perfect. I'll even pay for your trip.

[Bleachjunkie101]

well anime is anime....its different in america...but wut else isnt? it wont be as good as the jap. version but still very good

[Deathscyth Hell]

I'm sure I'm not alone here...Does the US really have what it takes to maintain the AWESOMENESS that is bleach? I mean, we all saw how Cartoon Network completely destroyed Naruto. They totally butchered everything. But then its clearly geared to the younger audience...its right there next to yu-gi-oh g/x and teen titans. If your an avid fan of Naruto, you were not impressed by Cartoon Network's version 2.0...hell, if your an avid fan your not even watching television, let alone CARTOON NETWORK. lol. Anyway...when i saw the ad for Bleach I was feeling kind of queasy about it. I'm feeling ups and downs because it could still be good ole classic bleach because it's actually Adult Swim and not Cartoon Network at all. Should we be forewarned?
::realizes she doesn't care much because she's bittorents all her eps::

1: If US companies like Viz can do an awsome job on dubbing once, they can do it again.

2: Naruto was NOT Butcherd. Don't you dare try and tell me Naruto was the same standard as One Piece! Naruto still has blood in it, has the majoraty of lines correct, has voices that fit the characters (not exactly, but still good) and still sticks with Cartoon Networks regulations. For what Viz could do with it, Naruto was a resonably good dub!

3: It's not Cartoon Network that butcher things. They just air stuff. It's 4kids entertainment who are the real anime destroyers. NEVER watch anything done by them.

4: Teen Titans isn't an Anime. It's an American animated show losley based on old comics with some anime "Styal" experssions.

5: Don't claim that if you are an "Avid Naruto Fan" you won't watch things on cartoon network. If you look at things right, you can see which are the good and which are the bad dubs. If you are a Naruto fan, you like what you like and can at least see how the dub can be good. It's not like One Piece where there is little to nothing that can be excuseable.

[XanarkanD]

Don't claim that if you are an "Avid Naruto Fan" you won't watch things on cartoon network. If you look at things right, you can see which are the good and which are the bad dubs. If you are a Naruto fan, you like what you like and can at least see how the dub can be good. It's not like One Piece where there is little to nothing that can be excuseable.

thats funny, one piece isnt BAD per-se. but i agree, people like what they like and i dont like english naruto. But bleach is good, i dont want to watch it in english because i like it in japanese, it just appeals to me more ya know?

[Sinner Ichigo]

Naruto was butchered but does that mean Bleach will too? I dont think so beacuse Bleach airs on [as] not on Toonami but their is always the possibility.

[Master O]

People, the worst dub in the history of English dubbing of anime is by far:

ONE PIECE!

4kids did it. End of discussion...

[the ghost]

has anyone noticed that AS sped up the opening/ending?

[LegendaryXM90]

No...it's still pretty normal speed I think.

[Sado Yasutora]

Personally for me never having seen or heard of Naruto before the show I thought it was pretty fun to watch.

[Peons_with_gunz]

People, the worst dub in the history of English dubbing of anime is by far:
ONE PIECE!
4kids did it. End of discussion...
lol.... your right. Sounds like 3-4 poeple are all the characters.
Carton network has ruined things like Naruto, but they have also done well some other animas like DBZ. I don’t know about you guys but i always loved dbz and i watched it from cartoon network. I understand the dbz is a little different from the original but hey, i still liked it.

[Kapura-nui]

Yea Cartoonnetwork screws everything up...
but as far as Im concerned, Aswim has the 14 and older thing, so its not like they can screw it up so far...

(btw, Ctoon isnt rly so kiddy, IGPX has aton of swears...)

[Semprini]

cartoon network dosn't do dubs they merely show it (plus it is nothing compared to the garbage on toon disney *shudders*), unless it is their own in studio show.

[Nrvnqsr Chaos]

the worst dub? one piece, plain and easy. it was supposed to be for everybody and they made it for 4 yr olds. naruto is ok, coulda done better but its ok, the best anime dub so far is bleach, cuz adultswim took it

[the ghost]

@ least not every single one is bad.

[Infection]

Ok heres what I think people might no like the US Bleach because they have seen the Jap version and they know the voices are better in Jap. But the people who have never watched Bleach wont know the diffrence. They dont really ruin the show because most people who watch anime would know about these fan sites and would watch the Jap versions.

[the ghost]

Ok heres what I think people might no like the US Bleach because they have seen the Jap version and they know the voices are better in Jap. But the people who have never watched Bleach wont know the diffrence. They dont really ruin the show because most people who watch anime would know about these fan sites and would watch the Jap versions.
that is very true and i agree totally. those who don't know the characters by their japanese voice, they would think it is good. i have no problems accepting that fact. those who watch the japanese would always like the japanese one, because it's the original voices.

[Angel_shikigami]

Nothing can be worse than dubbed Naruto. HAHAHAHA. They slaghtered that one. I like the dub. I think they did a good job on it even though I don't think they cussed as much in the subbed, or maybe I just didn't notice :P I did have a bit of a problem when I first watched it but I think that was just me getting used to the new va's and stuff

[the ghost]

Nothing can be worse than dubbed Naruto. HAHAHAHA. They slaghtered that one. I like the dub. I think they did a good job on it even though I don't think they cussed as much in the subbed, or maybe I just didn't notice :P I did have a bit of a problem when I first watched it but I think that was just me getting used to the new va's and stuff
yup, everyone is bound to have a problem getting use to the dub, of course unless you've never watched the japanese version.

[silverwolf801]

i hate dubbed bleach hate it ahhhhhaahhhhahh

[Atrias]

Its kinda the same as with everything really... the thing that came first, or that you experienced first becomes the favoured thing and anything that comes after it can in no way match or exceed your opinion of the original... hence, pretty much all sequels sucking...

For people who watch the english dub first (and then find out there are over 100 extra eps already available!) they'll probably not like the japanese subbed original... especially if they have little or no experience in watching subbed anime.

Personally I watched both within such a little time and had no preconceptions about either (I've never seen an episode of Naruto - yet - dubbed or not... dont kill me!) and love both... and I eagerly await the release of the latest dub and the latest sub.

I look forward to finding out how and when it's gonna make its way to the UK... if at all... other than you-tube theres no way I can watch the dubs here... sadness.

Sorry for bumping an old thread.

[blackshadow]

Sometimes im just sick of Adultswim or anyother connection in the tv world to stop dubbing animation show into american style cuz they totally screw with the show main concept and alter all the voices and leave out anygood parts that you could just see on Bleackportal. i mean the whole idea was al right but when i first say the bleach 1 i didnt like it at all it didint give the feel of the japanesse feeling to it.

[Gettles]

Sometimes im just sick of Adultswim or anyother connection in the tv world to stop dubbing animation show into american style cuz they totally screw with the show main concept and alter all the voices and leave out anygood parts that you could just see on Bleackportal. i mean the whole idea was al right but when i first say the bleach 1 i didnt like it at all it didint give the feel of the japanesse feeling to it.

Umm... have you even seen a dubbed episode? Or are you just a delusional fanboy who just has his panties in a knot that Bleach has acquired a mainstream audience?I don't recall any changes to anything.

[Atrias]

Can't see any changes to the Bleach show in the US dub myself... sure, translation wise some phrases are bound to be slightly or even completely different, but the only thing I can say that I noticed clearly wasnt in the dub was Kon's "Nice Angle!" comment... which is just blatant.

[blackshadow]

Umm... have you even seen a dubbed episode? Or are you just a delusional fanboy who just has his panties in a knot that Bleach has acquired a mainstream audience?I don't recall any changes to anything.

Yea i have seen them and no i dont have any panties on i only wear them when is kinky day so HA!

[sakashii]

I'm not quite sure...
I mean they normally mess around with the story line, but they might not.
Though it is good for those who don't know Bleach well as they can watch it without having the trouble of downloading etcetc. and for those people who don't have access to the internet so on.

[Gettles]

Yea i have seen them and no i dont have any panties on i only wear them when is kinky day so HA!

Ahh. So delusional fanboy it is.
Thank you for answering my inquiry.

[blackshadow]

No problem i like being a fanboy.

[HalfdeadBleach]

I love the english viz version but some of the best lines are gone, like when Uruhara fisrt meets the black cat the viz version fails compared to the japaneese one

[Gettles]

I love the english viz version but some of the best lines are gone, like when Uruhara fisrt meets the black cat the viz version fails compared to the japaneese one

Are you saying that you didn't like Urahara's "Who's my fuzzy little trouble maker? who's your daddy?"

[Kagebu]

What's so great about saying "upsy daisy!" five times in a row? I had a good chuckle with the "who's ya daddy?" line.

[Sarteck]

To the all the people who don't know about bittorrent, Bleach is gonna be a smash hit. Because those people don't start off a show with the stereo type "english dubs = bad" They just appreciate it for what it is. The mind is a powerful thing. If you come into something expecting that you won't like it, Then chances are you won't like it. As far as the blood goes, Adult swim can definately handle it. Seeing as how it's not really that gorey. Compared to animes like Berserk , Gantz, and Elfen leid, Bleach is like a kiddy show.
I agree. For example, I've never seen the naruto dub, yet I enjoy naruto a hell of a lot, except for the constant commercials. To boot, Adult Swim has only ONE interruption per program. :3

[LilithShadowson]

I wish people would stop blaming Cartoon network for what happened to Naruto and One Piece.

Cartoon Network jsut playst he shows they don't have a hand in any of the editing. So stop blaming them sheesh

[Atrias]

Yeah you can't bame Cartoon Network, they only decide what to air and pay the production team for the rights to do so. Sure, you could say that Cartoon Network sucks for puttin on an inferior product to the original, but thats your own individual taste speaking and not that of the american viewing public who would not relish the thought of watching - for example - Bleach in Japanese with fansubs on their TV.
Its all about the money and sufice to say english dub Bleach is a more certain winner than the original \ sub version and naturally preferable to not doing it at all (which obviously generates no money) hehe.

Sorry if I strayed off the point... meh!

[Nu-J]

Ok so they change the lines from the sub version and english version? Did not know that, are they big storyline lines, or is it just a word here or there?

[silverwolf801]

I prefer the subs because the dubbed voices are not good enough for me

[warp:routine]

Ok so they change the lines from the sub version and english version? Did not know that, are they big storyline lines, or is it just a word here or there?

No, they change some of the storyline, though not much.

The reason for this is that there are things in the Japanese culture that we would not particularly understand, small subtle actions between characters and little things like that. They change some of the lines to 'make more sense' to americans.

The general storyline is intact, however some of the interaction dialouge bwtween the characters changes.

[FullMetal-Guitarist]

No, they change some of the storyline, though not much.
The reason for this is that there are things in the Japanese culture that we would not particularly understand, small subtle actions between characters and little things like that. They change some of the lines to 'make more sense' to americans.
The general storyline is intact, however some of the interaction dialouge bwtween the characters changes.

An example of this is when they were giving Kon his name. They actually used the Japanese word for soul "Konpaku" to explain his name, which I was quite impressed with. Ichigo said, "because Kon is short for Mod Konpaku, which is what you are." Of course in the English version, Kon suggests calling him "Mod" instead of Kon, and in the Japanese version Kon wants to be called "Kai" because Ichigo says calling him "Kaizou Konpaku" is too long. In the English version the humor is lost on this line... in Japanese Ichigo says "Kai sounds cool... therefore it pisses me off!" LOL... still one of my favorite lines in the series after 100+ episodes.
Anyhow, I think they've done a great job with the dubs. It still doesn't compare to the Japanese version, but it holds its own. Great acting, good character choices. The voice for Kon took a little getting used to... but overall they've done a great job.

[Xferox 02]

Well to answer the naruto part, i dont think they messed it up until my friend told me that the person who dub naruto is a girl ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[millsholla]

Well to answer the naruto part, i dont think they messed it up until my friend told me that the person who dub naruto is a girl ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

yeah...his voice gets a little pitchy at times nd u can tell its a gurl...but as far as bleach goes in america i think its holding up well...i still prefer the japanese versions but i still tune into the dub versions just to compare...nd to hear if certain characters voices are good...don kannoji is funnier in japanese lol

[Gettles]

Well to answer the naruto part, i dont think they messed it up until my friend told me that the person who dub naruto is a girl ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Females to the voices of young males is pretty much par for the course. Its very common (The person who does Naruto's Japanese voice is also a woman.

[jhina]

lol, if only US companies would not edit the $@#% out of all the anime they get this goes for most US production companies, STOP EDITING, just translate and record then ship wow, what a concept?

[gdo01]

lol, if only US companies would not edit the $@#% out of all the anime they get this goes for most US production companies, STOP EDITING, just translate and record then ship wow, what a concept?
Those who watched the Milk Chan dub will tell you that that approach also doesn't satisfy people.

[Gettles]

lol, if only US companies would not edit the $@#% out of all the anime they get this goes for most US production companies, STOP EDITING, just translate and record then ship wow, what a concept?

Ok, tell me. What edits are you talking about? Of the episodes of Bleach that have aired at this point, how many edits did you see?
I believe it is somewhere is the vacinity of zero.

[Xferox 02]

just dont give me the pichy japanese cartoon voice and i'll be fine

[candyb3ar]

im sorry i really frown upon the dubbed series ever since i heard renji voice...i almost dies in shock but i decided to call up my bf so he could hear too...:)

[Kagebu]

Then just frown on Renji's dub, not the whole series. Nothing is going to be absolutely perfect and meet everyone's expectations. You know what they say, "You can't please everybody all the time."

Just one major flaw doesn't ruin the whole thing. Just grin and bear it, and maybe if you stick with it, it will redeem itself.

[Zack_jenkins]

well i started out watching naruto on adult swim then moved to watching subs.... i heard alot about bleach in my time watching naruto and figured i would check it out.... i did and it completely blew naruto out of the water... but back to subject... the dubs arent that bad if you dont mind a few changes... i personally only watch anime because it airs on adult swim... if i ever start to really like an anime ill branch out and start with subs but just to be sure i even remotely like it i always watch the dubs ..... i mean dubs arent a bad thing its just that that do wut they can with what little they have... i mean there is some content they edit out becasue the places they air it are directed towards kids of the ages 12-15 (or even younger) so they try to keep it clean ... if they had the leeway that the japanese have when making an anime i bet that people would be watching dubs alot more... but they have to filter and change and rearange everything to make it ok to air in america... its kinda like taking out a few pieces of a puzzle of course its not going to be perfect but i dont think it would hurt to lose one- two pieces... all im saying is that its hard to air something froma different country here because of the people here... at one time there was even talk of the president banning all anime here in the states becasue he felt the dubs to be too violent.... soo if you have an economy where the smallest sight of blood is a reason to shut something down you have to make do

[Blekblek]

Well to answer the naruto part, i dont think they messed it up until my friend told me that the person who dub naruto is a girl ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
As someone said, the Japanese version also uses a woman for Naruto's voice. It's common. Hell, did you know that Orochimaru's (Japanese) Voice Actor is also a woman? Hah, that ought to mess with your head.

Anyway, back to Bleach... no, don't like the Dubs. I'm sure I'd like it if it was the first thing I had seen rather than the subs. But... I don't know, English doesn't seem to suit the style of most anime.

Dubs seem to serve a purpose, anyway. Some people seem to find it impossible to read and watch at the same time. Hell, I know some dyslexic people who need the dubs. So, sure, I don't think they're as good, but they're important enough that I don't think Dubs should be banned or suck or whatever like others seem to think.

[tenebrusmke79]

I am one of the very few people in the world (US) that does not mind any of the dubbed versions (nor do I mind the "mess-up" of Renji).

I am someone who can take things in stride, and I have watched all the episodes in the subbed version, and while the Japanese voices are great, there's potential that the English dubs will be too. One never knows about these things, even though people pretend to know and they spout off at the spigget.

[lovehouse.MOON]

Imo the Bleach dubs aren't an atrosity to the originals, as was the case in dbz where blood, cursing, over-exaggerated fighting grunts, music, were seriously altered.. Even the aspect of dying was removed and replaced with being sent to another world.
Even the show airing won't change the fact I watch it in subs though. :D

[SnowManZero]

subb's are most likely better then the dubb's, but the fact that you don't hsve to focus on the bottom of the sceen while looking at the whole thing put's it in perspective and makes for a better watch, I reckon.

as for the Bleach sub's, they are one of the best dubb's Ive ever heard, and I've seen more dubb'd then subb's.

Renji's VA, while not perfect, does suit his character, I reckon. if you can think of someone else, then you have a right to critisize it.

I'm just glad that 4(go screw yourselve's)kid's didn't get this. it would end up being a 5 minute show consisting of what was said, heavily edited to make it seem cool and up with the time's and with no fight shown due to the blood and certainty of death.

[Atrias]

I would agree that the Renji voice is cacked up above and beyond all the Bleach characters so far, which considering he is a central character - certainly within the fillers and beyond - could pose a problem to many hardcore fans dropping off. I just hope he improves within later eps which, seeing as all of the Team Urahara voices have improved immensely since ep1 ect I think we could see.

Overall I still feel they have done an amazing job with the dub and I still can't really think of anything in translation, scripting, voicing or editing that I am unhappy with and that they could have changed.