Do Ghosts Exist? [Archive] - Page 2

toxxin

10-14-2006, 08:52 PM

heheh
well yea, ok, I do believe in them. Why? I could be a jerk and argue the fact that well a lot of people do, so why not? I could also say proove they don't exist. In my experience, I have seen some things that make me wonder, too. Besides living in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada (also known as the Ectoplasm capital of the world) its almost normal here to hear about haunted buildings. Geez, we had the Mother Tuckers restaurant close down due to ghost activity. Cameras were set up and everything, it made the paper, tv news, ect. Plus a certain room in the Fort Garry Hotel, amung others. I also did some electrical work for a few nights in a haunted Archive building here. So yea, with all of this I could say yea I do believe in ghosts.

NikitaDarkstar

10-14-2006, 09:03 PM

Well yep I belive in them... seing an old steam train pass you in a place that havn't had any railroad track in oh.. 50 some years can make a believer out of most pepole.. especially when you start to look into what the hell it was you saw, realise "yup it was a train and no it's not supposed to be there." and then when you start to do some research, you find out some interesting stuff (derailing one winter morning, no surviors.. ok not exactly uncommon..) and then you ask around abit and find quite a few other pepole who have seen the same train along various places of that old railroad strech... so well I was slightly doubtfull before that. I mean I did admit it was a possibility, but well I honestly can't deny what I saw, or explain it in any other way so yhea.

Lady Ushio

12-10-2006, 11:53 PM

I believe that Ghosts exist in this world.I saw one of them when I was a kid.

I'll tell you my story.

I remembered when I saw it from my window - a white lady ghost who stood beside the tree during the middle of the night. I didn't have a clue what it was and who it was because I was just a little kid back then. When I grew up and told my family about it, they told me that I have seen a ghost.

It's true people.Ghost do exist.They appear because of their reasons.Some ghosts aren't in peace because they haven't finished their issues when they were alive.That's all I can say about this.

Malice

12-11-2006, 09:39 AM

Well they say that everyone is receptive to spiritual energy. What are ghosts? To put it simple, they are entities that consist of spiritual energy. If one can sense spiritual energy, you can sense them. I know it sounds weird. But I beleive there are unexplanable thngs in this world and the next, so yeah I can say I beleive.

Evanesque

12-11-2006, 09:52 AM

I think there was a thread like this before. I do believe ghosts exist. Seeing is definitely not believing. Ghosts are every where around us, there's even someone sitting right next to you. I think ghosts are souls that are trapped between heaven and hell...*shrugs*

It's scary to know that these beings are all around you *shivers*

Malice

12-11-2006, 10:21 AM

I think ghosts are souls that are trapped between heaven and hell
The place your thinking of is Purgatory.

shadow_of_89

12-12-2006, 06:05 PM

I have listened to a lot of theories regarding the existence of ghosts....
one if that of my physics teacher(a very well known high school teacher in the world) who implies that actually ghosts are beings or some sort who are a concentration of tachions (hypothetical particles that can travel faster than the speed of light) and who can pass through objects due to their speed and actually be in two places in the same time(quantum theory implies that one particle can be in two places in the same time but two particles can't be in the same place)......
another one is that ghosts are the impression left by a person in the surrounding area.....what they call i think remnant energy caused by strong emotions and can transmit these feelings towards the entire area.....that's why we have haunted houses because somebody there had a very powerful emotional reaction and so created a disturbance in the energy field and so imprinting these information in the walls and environment...just like u imprint a CD or better a tape...
another theory is that ghosts are represantations of someone's remnant energy(but not imprinted) left with a small degree of limited conscience feeded by the strong emotions that the person who died had in the past
For the moment i'm going with the tachionic thing maybe BC my teacher knows a lot and he can be helpful with his answers:D

Aelix

12-12-2006, 06:46 PM

*going along with the sciency answers*
I think that there is some other sort of ,uh, world in our world. that dosent make sense but ill explain it and its relevance.
there 2+ worlds im talking about, the Material world, the one we can see and interact in, and the Emotional world, the one where all our feelings poor out into.
The emotional world is where you can SEE pure energy and peoples emotions and auras. By aura i mean sorta their personality.
Im sure youve heard anger is red, pink is love, and all that color emotion crap. WEll, if a person is really loving, in the Emotional world their aura would be pink, assuming that pink is the loving color.

Now about how that relates to Ghosts.
your aura leaves a trace of where youve been and how yove felt over the years.
When a person dies, their trace is still there, like even though youve crossed a muddy path, your foot prints are still in the mud. and ghosts are simply the foot prints taht we see when the two worlds interact. like if you go into your dead gram-ma's house and you see her cooking, she might acually be makin a meal you had 20 years ago.

and teh Ghosts than can interact with our world, like the ones that leave "curses"?
no idea.

Actuall (im a Christian) i think those ghosts are just Jesus having some fun with us before the Apoclolypse.

revaar

12-13-2006, 04:26 AM

here's my science-y answer:

Energy can neigther be created or destroyed. when a person dies, their body still contains a large amount of energy, more than can be given off by decompostion. So, the remaining energy is released into the atmosphere and occasionally mainifests in what some would call a "paranormal" way.

over time, that energy either collects more from subsequent deaths in the area, or disperses into the flora and fauna.

just my 2 cents.

Que Sera Sera

12-13-2006, 04:52 AM

Well I have heard of a Painting of a girl and a boy that is "possessed" by a ghost. At anytime this "ghost" can come out. The family who owned it nearly lost their daughter because "Andy"(the ghost) said to the girl "I have something to show you" and led her to the roof and nearly killed her. Next at night the mother saw "Andy" too. then the father put up Motion detecting cameras around the painting. Over night it took a REAL picture of the ghost. And sold it.

The End.

THIS REALLY HAPPEN IN NORTH AMERICA

The Messenger

12-17-2006, 11:07 AM

Ghosts / Spirits can be simply defined as a dead person's life force (soul).

These are the souls that walk the ethereal plains of earth as they wait to be judged. Some souls display malignancy or hostilitly due to depression and intense emotions during the time of their deaths, others merely want to get in touch with the living.

Sal1981

12-18-2006, 03:44 AM

Do you believe in ghosts?Why?
Me I think that they exist cause for it's normal that ghosts exist(EX: Haunted houses) but what do you think
Our human brain has top-notch simulation software. We can identify a face, a human voice from any sounds or random appearances anywhere. A couple of wrinkles in the bed linnin become a smiling face, a whistling in the wind become inaudible voices.

I've always asked myself, if ghosts exists, they don't make it apparent.

The Messenger

12-18-2006, 04:13 AM

I've always asked myself, if ghosts exists, they don't make it apparent.

True, although I believe in spirits I myself havent experience a spectral encounter.
I dont believe in the saying "To see is to believe"

Lady1

12-20-2006, 05:42 AM

I believe in spirits, Ive never seen a ghost as such, like ghosts in the movies. But I have been in contact with spirits. (lol I sound like an idiot :D)

Guy

12-20-2006, 05:45 AM

Well, I believe ppl have spirits attach to them and that they enter heaven/hell afterwards. I don't believe in ghosts. I defy Feng shui and any other traditional Chinese way to prevent ghosts from getting to me, and nothing bad has ever happened to me before. Besides, I think scientifically, it is impossible? You can't really prove they exist with science, now can ya?

Lady1

12-20-2006, 05:48 AM

People do have spirits attached to them to act as guides through out life. though not everyone knows how to contact them and work with them.
"Ghosts" in the sense means to me that they are spirits come into focus or becoming more visual. It requires alot of outside energy or stuff.

Guy

12-20-2006, 05:50 AM

Meh, I don't believe in that. Astrology and feng shui and all are called "pseudo-science". I'm sorry if I offend anyone's beliefs, but in my AP science class, pseudo-science have been proven false and coincidental, therefore, I do not believe in ghosts.

Lady1

12-20-2006, 05:59 AM

thats fair enough. your entiteled to your belief as we all are. So do you believe in Spirits as beings who have passed or just spirits in the sense.

Guy

12-20-2006, 06:02 AM

Yeah, I believe in heaven and hell, but just not wandering spirits on earth.

-[ Chen ]-

12-20-2006, 07:05 AM

Yeah, I believe in heaven and hell, but just not wandering spirits on earth.

Actually we really can't said it by words... " not wandering spirits on earth " That might be true also not true...
The ghost festival there's really got ghost wandering on earth at night...I believe it..
If the people have low luck they will see...and of couse if you didn't do anything bad
the ghost won't find u lol

Guy

12-20-2006, 07:08 AM

Well, I was never affected by ghosts in any way. There is something call science, you know? Science can pretty much explain any phenomena that goes on.

-[ Chen ]-

12-20-2006, 07:16 AM

Science? =.=
This is the natural in earth...Even science can't find out of it lolx...maybe

Analog

12-20-2006, 07:26 AM

I don't think there are "ghosts" or spiritual powers or whatever you want to say out there. I have never been affected by anything "spiritual" or anything. It just doesn't seem that something like that is real to me. But I understand why some people feel that they are real.

Malice

12-20-2006, 01:46 PM

There is a reason some people can't feel them and it's simple. People whom can sense them are more spiritually powerful than others whom can't. I'm not saying that they're stronger or anything, I'm saying those whom can sense them have more capabilities to learn to manipulate their spiritual energies. Eg, Chakra, Ki, Reietsu, etc. Those whom possess extreme spiritual strength are usually related or are psychics. shamans, healers and energy manipulators and transferers. (which is what I can do. I have the unique ability to sense and absorb ambient negative energy. So I'm a manipulator, But am not a strong one.)

Alot of people think it's B%@&S&$&, but that's because they haven't opened themselves to it.

Guy

12-21-2006, 05:41 AM

-']Science? =.=
This is the natural in earth...Even science can't find out of it lolx...maybe

I'm sorry, but science explains every natural phenomena. Earthquakes do not happen because we did not sacrifice enough goats. The earth is not the center of the universe, as Galileo (I believe... or Copernicus? blah) proved to the church. If there are ghosts on earth, they will leave behind traces. Everything on earth but light has mass, so therefore, if ghosts exist, then they will have mass too.

DJ StarScream

12-21-2006, 05:50 AM

Most people woulnd't belive a ghost untell they have seen a ghost I belive in them I have seen them I've had my dead dog breath in my face They are really some protect you some watch over you and some just wonder wth you are and want to mess with you.

Lady1

12-22-2006, 06:43 AM

there are an endless range of spirits. including natures spirits.

Nu-J

12-23-2006, 11:47 PM

I believe in demons/angels not so much the whole ghost wandering aimlessly its kind of pointless, I believe that demons and angels can be seen by people either in their form or look like people. I was attacked once by a well a demon and i didn't see it, well its hard to explain anyways I believe certain things can happen to people at times in there life for better or worse by either side, like that one story on the news like 2 years ago so its been a while so I could be completely off or just wrong about the story, but this guy was in an airport and he had a heart attack I believe and the people were trying to help him, but didn't know what to do and some kid came up to them and told them his meds were in his bag. They grabbed it and turned around the kid was gone, they helped the guy and they said something to him about his son told them, and he said he didn't have any kids. Anyways, its basically up to you to figure it out if you do or don't. I do.

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 01:10 AM

ZOMG! Sessou returning to the Debate section?! LIEKWO!

Hmm.. I'm not going to read through all of these pages, so if I repeat someone's idea, then too bad! >: P

Some scientist say that ghost are just left over energy of the departed. There are types of stone that can absorb the energy of the living, or so some claim. This energy, when the conditions are right (natural happenings; storms, electricity, etc), is released in the form of the person from which the energy was taken.

Ghost that seem to roam around, at the same time, or in a pattern, are referred to as "residual(sp?) haunters". They don't seem to interact with the living, and appear to do the same thing each time they manifest, as if it is just a recording. These type, scientist believe, are just leftover energy. This is the most common.

Another type of haunting, are the ones where the ghost interact with the living. Moving objects, speaking to, and sometimes even hurting others. They have no set pattern, and tend to show up whenever they want to. They are believed to be the actual spirits of the dead. It's these kind of ghost that are unexplainable to scientist.

What does that have to do with my opinion you ask? Well, I don't believe in the whole stole absorbing thing, nor do I believe in any religion, but.. Ghosts make me wonder. I've seen them before, and have even felt/smelt them. I sometimes wonder if the ghost of earth are just in some sort of purgatory.. Not yet able to pass on because they are held captive by their past. Doom to repeat their deaths for all eternity.

Ghost are so common, that it is not right to question their existance(for lack of better terms). There is definately some reasonable explanation as to why people see them. Other than eye tricks and imagination..

Think about this. Why is everyone so willing to believe in demons, angels, and gods? There is no proof of their existance. Ghost however, we can see with our own eyes (sometimes).

Some people believe that demons can possess the living. I think that it is just the ghost. That, or it is being made up for publicity..

If I were Christian, I would say that the ghost are simply the lost souls who are in purgatory, waiting for their sentence. The good souls are the ones that attack no one, or the playful ones. The possessing, demonic-like ghost most likely got fed up with waiting, or were destined for Hell anyway. Meh. Who knows..

~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™

12-24-2006, 01:19 AM

Everything on earth but light has mass.

sounds, shadow, noise n some stuff that doesnt have mass too...

personally i think ghost exist... coz i seen n felt them b4. there was even once i camped in the forest n its a WW2 site, n i went around myself in the dark.. seen them too.

ppl only tend to believe ghost only after they seen them, but i cant blame them if they never seen one yet

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:30 AM

So are you classifying ghosts as sound, shadow, and noise?

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 01:32 AM

Ghost would be all of the above. They take energy to manifest themselves, which is why some say you get cold when they're around. They're feeding off of your energy.

Ghost seem to be able to transform and whatnot. They can be shadows, transparent figures, or even fully manifested-solid beings. And of course, they can be quite noisy when they want to.. -_-

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:33 AM

Any scientific evidence of this?

~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™

12-24-2006, 01:35 AM

So are you classifying ghosts as sound, shadow, and noise?

yeah like tas said, ghost can be sound (movin chairs, n stuff), shadow n noise yeah...

ghost can be light too, read somewhere bout balls of light or sumthing...

[edit] if there is would there be a debate on tis???

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:37 AM

So if I move a chair, I am making ghosts? Please clarify, and again, any scientific evidence?

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 01:38 AM

Any scientific evidence of this?

Nope. lmao. Just scientific theories and whatnot. Scientist must've put two and two together. You feel cold, then see a ghost. They must be taking your energy to manifest.

Some people see "shadow creatures", so ghost must be able to change into shadows. Actually, "change" is the wrong word.. "Hide" in the shadows sounds better..

{edit}What? No.. If you move a chair, then you are just moving a chair.. I don't get what you're getting at.. >.>

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:40 AM

Ah, what a shame. For me, no scientific evidence means I don't accept that as reality.

~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™

12-24-2006, 01:42 AM

there's no scientific evidence that there isnt ghost either...

n i mean as in chairs movin by themselves, nothing to do with u movin them

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:44 AM

there's no scientific evidence that there isnt ghost either...
n i mean as in chairs movin by themselves, nothing to do with u movin them

I thought you just said that there's no scientific evidence... if there really is, then please give me a link about a scientist that conducted research to proof ghosts' existence.

And as for moving chairs by itself, you sure it wasn't the wind or earthquakes, what not? Cuz that has never happened to me... or anyone that I know.

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 01:46 AM

@guyklc: It's just speculation and theories. There's no proof that god exist, and yet there's people out there that worship him. No proof that what you see before you is reality. Life can be a dream, or we can all be dead now. Maybe we're in hell?

And I have given "scientific" explanations. However, most explanations are more far-fetched than simply saying that they do/don't exist.

{edit}Obviously, if the chair is in a house, and the ground isn't shaking, then something moved it. That was just..nvm.

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:48 AM

So you're willing to believe in something that has no evidence of whatsoever, right? Not trying to be cynical or insulting, just making sure I understand you.

~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™

12-24-2006, 01:50 AM

ok here's one.. go look around yurself..
http://www.paranormalresearch.org.uk/gallery1/index.htm
n wait till u experience one yurself, then u'll believe in one... u know, got to those hunted places n stay there by yurself overnite. tried b4, n nvr wish to try it again

[edit] like tas said about gods... no proof god exist, but there's ppl who beieve in god

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 01:50 AM

No. I wouldn't believe in ghost if I haven't seen, felt, heard, and smelt them. And I don't expect you to magically believe in them without having your own experiences.

And another thing. Ghost are just too common and...I can't think of a word to say this, but they can't simply be imagination and make believe. You need to see one for yourself. Several things can be explained through common sense and science, but not everything.

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:54 AM

Very well then, you are entitled to your own beliefs, as I am entitled to mine. But just out of curiousity, I think it would be cool to meet one. How did you meet yours? I would like to meet one myself so that I can verify that they do exist.

~*StÓÑy RèL0ÂÐeD™

12-24-2006, 01:57 AM

lol, go to a WW2 mass killing site (there is quite a lot here) n stay there overnite by yurself... or those places with forests... or any places thats known for paranormal activities..

like yur school might have someone who hang herself in the toilet, u can go there at 11pm n sit in the 3rd cubicle n wait... (my classmate did that... u know wad happened)

Guy

12-24-2006, 01:59 AM

It is said that a girl was raped in my school's gym. I've been there before, but nothing bad has ever happened. I visit my grandfather's tomb when I have the chance, but nothing ever approached me.

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 02:01 AM

I think I first saw an actual ghost when I was 8..or somewhere around that age. It's one of the only things I can remember.

You know how animals are said to be able to sense the natural and supernatural? Well, my mom had 2 pet birds back at my old apartment. I woke up one morning, and they were going berserk. They were flying around the cage, chirping, and fussing. Their feathers were flying all over the place.

Being a kid, I think I told them to shut up a few times before I went over to see wtf was going on. When I got to their cage, I felt a chill down my back and glanced behind me. I remember seeing a white flash behind me. It didn't register in my mind at first, so I turned back to the birds, then my mind was like, "Wait..wtf?", so I turned back, and saw a white image (not in the shape of anything, just...a blur) go into the kitchen. This all happened within a few seconds. Oddly enough, the 2 birds died a few weeks later. Probably a coincidence though. Small birds like that probably don't live long anyway..

{edit}You don't always see ghost in "haunted" places. It's all about timing and the conditions I guess..

Guy

12-24-2006, 02:03 AM

Well, it's been rumored that when a nearby church that I live near was built, they took a picture. In the picture, a bright light could be seen. A lot of the church ppl say it's an angel from heaven. Do you think that's true then, if according to what you claim?

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 02:06 AM

What I saw wasn't really a light.. It kind of looked like a cloth or something.. Not sure.. Didn't see a face or figure.

As for angels, I don't necessarily believe in that stuff, but it's probably a flash from another light, or a reflection. Might even be a ghost. But an angel? Doubt it..

Guy

12-24-2006, 02:17 AM

Hmm.. interesting. You are skepticle of angels yet you believe in ghosts? Neither of them have scientific proof, yet, both have ppl claim to see them.

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 02:20 AM

Well I've never seen an angel. I've seen ghost, I believe.. Perhaps "angels" are just ghost who have the ability to manifest wings?

{edit}And if angels were to exist, then that would mean that God and Lucifer most likely do. I refuse to believe that.. When I die, I'll find out what's up. Psh. Until then, I will not worship unseen kings.

Guy

12-24-2006, 02:31 AM

Oh, so everything is true to your inductive reasoning, then?

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 02:38 AM

No.. "Angels" serve God, or that's what most people believe, correct?

If angels exist, as the god-serving beings many believe them to be, then they would have to have a master, no? But, if they were just another type of supernatural being, such as ghosts, with no ties to gods at all, then who knows. -_-"

(And on the topic of ghost. Have you ever heard ghost recordings? The supposed "voice of the dead"?)

Guy

12-24-2006, 03:09 AM

I refuse to believe any of these ghost recordings unless proven by science. And have u ever heard of pseudo-science? Many astrology and tarot reading stuff are considered pseudo-science, meaning fake science.

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 03:25 AM

Fake science, eh? lmao.

And how would you go about proving the recordings are true? You'd have to either be there when they are recorded, or put your trust into paranormal researchers..

Guy

12-24-2006, 04:19 AM

I am assuming u have no idea what pseudo-science is... very well then, I have no need of debating with a person who doesn't know what that means. it was proven in my high school science class. The textbook says it, my teacher says it, therefore, I do believe their words are more credible than yours, yes?

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 04:27 AM

Guy

12-24-2006, 04:31 AM

So, because they are teachers, then they know everything? Text books have been known to twist the truth as well. But I won't get into that here and now..
And I don't recall saying that what I post is the law either.
I asked a simple question. Not to offend you or anything. But I was curious on how you would go about proving the existance, or nonexistance, of paranormal activity when many scientist have failed to do so.

Oh yes, textbooks and teachers have been false before, but really, so can you. If you're really going to debate that everyone can be wrong, then there is no point to this debate. Some sources are more credible than others, really all I'm saying. I just suspect that you might not know what pseudoscience is because you didn't seem to take what I said about it very seriously.

shunten_satsu

12-24-2006, 04:39 AM

Silhouette

12-24-2006, 04:59 AM

lmao.. I was typing up a long response, but you basically summed it all up. =_="

All that typing for nothing.. I might just post it anyway. >.>

Guy

12-24-2006, 06:51 AM

There's something about the human mind that scientists have yet to figure out... individuality, self-awareness, and other things that would constitute a soul. That's why it's a pseudoscience; we don't understand it. Personally though, I think it's possible that a 'soul' with a reason to stay behind might end up doing so. But since the physical aspect is gone, it's hard to prove or disprove.

Actually, we don't name something pseudo-science because we can't prove it; that is like saying the theory of evolution is pseudo-science. It is pseudoscience because it is not actual science, but rather, based on something similar to science, like astrology is based on astronomy, and alchemy is based on chemistry. Pseudoscience have NO scientific evidence whatsoever. Don't believe me? Here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudoscience

bbnflpn

12-28-2006, 11:17 AM

i truly belive in ghosts, spirits, potriguists, ect.

i have seen them for most of my life. i was so scared by them that i turned off the ablility to do so. not that they were terrifiying spirits or anything.

i belive in a few types as well,

there are content spirits, who watch over their loved ones and return to summerland when ever they need to and when they are reincarnated they are unable to return.

tormented spirits, who are unable to return to summerland due to unfinished buisness, or they do not realize that they have passed.

temporary spirits, who only are around for a short time after they have passed, they are probably saying one last good bye before they return to summerland.

the spirit of memory, these would include items who have retained a memory of the past, its kind of like a psychic imprint.

and spirits who are afraid to return to summerland, for what ever reason.

i have had expirience with all of them. people, animals, and things that have some sort of spirit energy. there are also other types of spirits that are not considered living at one time but fantasy. like fairies, goddesses and gods, elementals, dragons, and other such so called fictonal beings.

what proof do i have, i dont only my word. they have come to me in several forms, by sight, smell, touch, sound and in my dreams or any combination there of. my cat seems to see them alot more often than i do and around samhain and beltane (halloween and may day) he gets really strange, these are the times of year that the veil between this world and the next is the thinest and they seem to come to visit alot around those times.

my most recent encounter, was this samhain, my grandfather died. he came to see us at the moment of his death, he freaked my cat out so badly that i almost didnt go out that night. i didnt know he died till early in the morning. he seemed to like to torment my cat (poor herbie) as herbie ran across the bed clawing my boyfreinds leg so badly that he still has scars from it. when we went out to nebraska for the funeral my shoe laces kept comming untied. these shoes dont normaly come untied so easily, and i would just be sitting watching tv or what ever. my sister said her boot laces (she wears combat type boots for work) which never come untied were not only untied but unlaced about 4 holes down. i realized that it was grandpa saying hi to us, as he would commonly sneak up on us and untie our shoes when we wernt looking. the house i was staying in was the one my grandparents lived in for years, my sister lives there now and my parents live next door on other property that the family owned. i stayed with my parents the first few nights, and while i was there somthing crawled in to bed with me and started to spoon me while i was takeing my nap. and then i moved to my sisters house. there when i was about 7 or so i saw the first ghost that i remember. a calvalry man and an indian, they were walking around a shed. (side note this area is the place where the battle that happend after the movie dances with wolfs had taken place so it is a battle ground) one of them came to visit me and floated over my bed while i was there this time.

i really do get werid around that place especialy since childeren of the corn was filmed across the street years ago. i didnt know this till a few years ago when i wanted to watch the movie, i decided against it so i would not be seeing that movie in my head when ever i go to visit my family. even though their are actual houses across the street now and not a feild.

HikariRuki4

12-28-2006, 12:35 PM

i believe too!!! (^_^)v
hahaha...
(Dunno why, but 'they' like to 'play' with me???)

Vampyrelord

12-28-2006, 01:07 PM

Not enough debating going on here, so I'll move this thread to the Lounge.

/me uses his amazing super powers to move the thread

Carry on.

hobbes24

12-28-2006, 06:46 PM

Rangiku_Matsumoto : well no one can have a baby fast enough whenever they're shoved into a human body again because they keep dying (prolly for lack of oxygen.. or water.. or a liveable place) so in the end we're all a bunch of souls without bodies flying around the unverse
lol sry i was having fun with ur comment
i didn't mean nething by it
has neone defined ghost yet or are we assuming theyre those things trapped/blinded behind the physical (the universe/our body)?
thats pretty crazy bbnflpn
i've heard of things like that.. pretty funny bout ur grandpa tho, maybe that happens in some people's lives and not in others, i don't think ive ever seen "ghosts", don't think id know what they were if i saw them cuz i guess their soul bears no likeness to their physical body.. i don't know if they exist, i think it would be silly of me to say i'm certain they do or that im certain they don't
u don't think ur seeing people do u? One of my friends kinda just told me one day that she sees people and they talk to her.. i didn't want to pry or nething, but she told me that they sometimes talked about icecream which i thought was awesome, but that would scare me to halfdeath

Guy

12-29-2006, 02:29 AM

Well, I don't care about anyone else's experience; I only care if science can prove it, and science clearly labels stuff like astrology and ouija boards as pseudoscience.

Asuka

12-29-2006, 06:14 AM

Of course, ghost exist, that's the only explantion for my watches always turning up missing when before I moved out of my old house.

bbnflpn

12-29-2006, 07:50 AM

you know faries are like that, they like to borrow things, and then return them some times years later.

sometimes if you ask for them back nicely they will return them, or if you offer them a trade.

xiaoshawn

12-29-2006, 07:57 AM

darkthief

12-29-2006, 08:25 AM

This is sorta like the mind/body problem. I think.
either your soul/spirits controls your body or it's just chemical reactions doing all the work.

When you die, your soul/spirit will move to another place. Otherwise, you stay floating around on land where some certain people might be able to detect you. Also known as "ghost"

bbnflpn

12-29-2006, 12:15 PM

I would go for a yes in this case, ghosts/spirits are commonly known to people, some people see them x) rather scary i should say, but its all in the matter of what you think, its up to you to believe whether they are there or not :lol
that depends on how you see them, how scary they are that is.

most of the time when i see them its very dark, i see them as blue shimmering aura type shapes. i use to think that it was a problem with my eyes, but i realized that it wasnt, i was actually seeing spirits and alot of them. the coolest one was one of my totems that visited. it was a lion cub that came and sat at my feet. he was trying to tell me something but i still had my mind turned off to messages (im working on it now) so i dont know what he was trying to tell me. my friend who was with me (we were in a dark circle for spirit communication) said that he was trying to tell me not to be afraid of something.

i very rarely see spirits in a full matter form, i saw one that freaked me out, he was walking on the side of the freeway with out a head. and today i saw 2 black cats walking about. they may have been real, but they looked like 2 cats that have passed that i use to belong too. i had been talking about them recently i guess they were saying hi. one of them decided that he wanted to try to be part of my car lol. (my spooky use to do the same thing)

Guy

12-30-2006, 02:28 AM

People sometimes "think" they've seen ghosts because they "want to believe" that they exist, and therefore, would invent all kinds of stories. It's simple psychology, actually. If you keep thinking to yourself that something is there, you would actually end up believing it.

One interesting thing I'd like to bring up is that the ancient Chinese believe that only weaklings can sense ghosts. Those with truly powerful spirit energies will send ghosts running away. Ghosts attack people because the victims are usually too weak spiritually to fight off ghosts. The strongest types will never see a ghost because the ghosts would all flee in terror sensing the enormous spiritual energy from the individual from miles away.

So... I guess in conclusion, I'm either too strong spiritually, or it's all pseudoscience.

M_Ghey

12-30-2006, 02:43 AM

I definetly do not believe in ghosts. I believe in science and facts, not in the supernatural, and the existence of ghosts has never been fully proven and does not quite make logical sense, therefore i cannot find any persuading reason for me to believe in such things.

Guy

12-30-2006, 02:46 AM

Lol, finally, somebody else who agrees with science and facts!

M_Ghey

12-30-2006, 02:54 AM

Yes, i was actually surprised at the number of people that said they believe in ghosts, it is over double the number of those that said they don't.

bbnflpn

12-30-2006, 06:21 AM

its not weather your weak in a sensitive way or not, really is that you are tuned in to a different fequency.

spirits will try to communicate weather you like it or not, you may or may not hear what they are trying to say. because you are tuned out so to speak you will not hear them. i tuned my self out for years and years, but finnaly i couldnt ignore it any more.

i still wonder what those spirits are saying that cant hear when i try to go to sleep, it comes across as a loud buzzing noise.

hobbes24

12-30-2006, 07:34 PM

doesn't science just point to a logical conclusion?
science != fact?
im not sure if the "afterlife" could make much logical sense to the living since understanding usually comes from experience
possible explanations shouldn't be ignored and considered refuted because nothing can be proven of the afterlife
(do you think, master aizen, that science is separate from religion?)

Guy

12-30-2006, 08:54 PM

This arguement is not about the afterlife; this is about ghosts. And hobbes24, have you read my posts stating that stuff like ouija board and necromancy are both considered pseudoscience? I even gave a link to define it for you guys.

M_Ghey

12-30-2006, 09:04 PM

(do you think, master aizen, that science is separate from religion?)
Yes, i do believe that science is not tied to religion in any way. Science deals with finding out how and why things happen, with gathering data, with making theories into scientific laws. Religion is based on faith, that is irrefutable. If you do not believe in something you have not seen, then you are not religious. Faith is something that the person believes in that has not been proven. Since religion is not science, people can have faith in anything they find plausible, which explains the multitude of religions in existence.
doesn't science just point to a logical conclusion?

A logical conclusion in science is a theory. Theory is not the base of science. Once a theory, a logical conclusion, is tested and re-tested, it can become scientific law, therefore fact. A lot of science does deal with theories, but the science concerning ghosts is not even theoretical. The existence of ghosts is majorly opinionated, so there is no science involved, and since science cannot prove the existence of ghosts, and their existence is unlikely and illogical, therefore i do not believe in them.

hobbes24

12-30-2006, 09:27 PM

no doubt at all that there aren't things we can't see/understand because we are trapped inside the physical? (didn't word that very well)

M_Ghey

12-30-2006, 09:38 PM

I am assuming that you are saying that we cannot see/know about some things because we are, like you said, trapped inside the physical. Here is my take on it. I cannot say that there are not such things, since there is no proof that they don't exist. But there is also no proof proving their existence, and i do not like just assuming that something random might possibly exist somehow, so i do not believe in unexplained assumptions like that, but i do not deny the possibility of them existing.

Guy

12-30-2006, 09:40 PM

It's true there are many things that fall outside of our comprehension, but ghosts and all have been proven false with pseudoscience. Plus, if ghosts exist in other forms, then we would learn about that in science class.

Glitch

12-30-2006, 10:11 PM

Frozensolid

12-31-2006, 01:29 PM

well i used to believe that they didnt exist like master aizen said that there was no proof that they did or didnt exist but one day(think i imagined this crap or i dreamt it>_<).

Well i was about to sleep and saw everything i saw turn red and then i saw something blue walking in my room O_o the odd thing was that it only happened once when i had migraine so i still think i imagined it but i dont know if i was asleep at that time :/

hobbes24

12-31-2006, 11:01 PM

heh
i remember seeing a little alien thing walking towards me whenever i was really young and nobnody else could see it (late at night.. i guess someone was sick cuz my whole family was up)
that doesn't nor ever has meant much to me and doesn't correlate at all to the argument or any argument inside me mind.. scared me a little then i went to sleep, guess i didn't care.
(side note) i agree, btw, master aizen, that is the way i feel, and there are a lot of people (or so i assume) who claim to have had personal experiences, whether psychological or real, so its either something in which i lack understanding or something in which they lack understanding.. assuming that they are the side who lacks understanding because i don't understand is too much like everybody else for me to be comfortable with
that make any sense?
(and not just because it too much like everybody else)

toxxin

12-31-2006, 11:23 PM

Science and facts only take us so far. Without those scientists who ran on FAITH in the first place, they would never have gone the distance to PROVE any facts.

Guy

01-01-2007, 04:34 AM

Yeah, you're right toxxin. Before science was well-developed, people all over the world believed in ghosts and the supernaturals. Now, because of science, we've proven these archaic faith to be false.

bbnflpn

01-01-2007, 06:33 AM

if you think about it there is proof, its just how you interpret it.

when they use temputrure, infared, electric voice pheonom, and use them to look for ghosts, they will show their presence there. but people will say oh its only a draft or a trick of the light.

even on the pagan board that i post on, they are alittle sceptical to photographic evidence. like this pic that i took at a party. im gonna link it cause it is rather large in format.

this pic was taken with witnesses, who were standing next to me while i took it, there was no flash of a bug anywhere when it was taken. but when the digital came out it clearly showed that there was somthing there. i beilve that it is a fairy, the baby whos face it is over seems to atract them when we did our full moon circle for that month we did a 1 card flower card divination and his card was the only one that had fairies on it (i forgot what card it was though)
the board that i posted it is a pagan board some of them said yah it is, some said its a bug reflection.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/bbnflpn/personal%20photos/fairy.jpg

here is a link to the rest of the pics that were taken that day. they are all of large format, and you can see orbs (balls of light) in alot of them as well as the fairy pic. the ones that they really show up in are of the ones with my friend who is spinning poi (fire spinner) i also took video of that day which can be found in my youtube account, but you cant see them at all (i had no external light sorce so all you see is the fire spinning)
http://s34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/bbnflpn/personal%20photos/

Guy

01-01-2007, 07:18 AM

Interesting pictures, but unfortunately, don't you think they could be a problem with the camera, lighting, etc.? I've seen a picture of a newly built church, and you can see a flash of light in the picture in the shape of an angel. The church goers say it really is an angel to commemerate the building of the church. Are you saying angels are now on earth too?

Also, would you please read the past posts I had on pseudoscience? I don't feel like retyping it all. To summarize it, I do believe science has label it as pseudoscience, no? And if ghosts are real, then how come we don't learn about how to communicate with the "otherly" world in school? In fact, this infrared device you talk about to show ghosts exist... it's not even mentioned in any science textbook I've ever read before. Why is that?

bbnflpn

01-01-2007, 07:44 AM

there are classes in spirit communication, just not in regular school.

i read them but i was pretty tired, but i will go back and re read them.

and just because im pagan doesnt mean that i dont belive in angels. to me they exist just as fairies and dragons do. i have angels that watch over me as well. they dont communicate with me as often as regular spirits do.

people fear what they do not understand, and that is why the progression of science in earlier times was so slow. it was even considered a crime to do an autopsy on a woman because they did not understand their bodies (since most men were drs at the time and they had labled most of the midwifes as witches and killed them.) the people who dared to discover things did so in fear and underground so that they were not also labled as sick, twisted or witches.

just as fear stops us from doing things, fear also drives us to discover new things as well.

with the spirit world its hard because we have not found a way to commuicate with them effectivly on a mass scale (ie not alot of people can or want to do it) there are people who do not want to understand them because they are either stopped by fear, or their beliefs do not let them exist in their mind.

oh and there was nothing wrong with the camera, no other picture came out that way, since. these pics were taken around beltane (the time when the fairies come out to play) you will see by the date (in d/m/y format) if you were to go to my main bucket and look at the pics i have uploaded with the same type of date stamp (my halloween pics have the wrong year on them but they were taken this year) there is no other strange anomoly or photo issues in the pics.

M_Ghey

01-01-2007, 08:56 PM

Well, we cannot randomly seek to connect with the spirit world and things of that nature, when only a small percentage of people claim to have seen something somewhere. There was never any solid evidence, and without solid evidence, it is useless to even try to comprehend things. I mean, it is illogical to assume that something exists because a few claim so. That way, the yeti exists, and so does the monster of Lochness(sp?), even though the existence of both is almost laughably impossible.

Guy

01-01-2007, 10:09 PM

*-randomnes-*

01-02-2007, 12:51 AM

Yeah, I believe in heaven and hell, but just not wandering spirits on earth.
yeah, i would have to agree with you there, cuz a heaven and hell is where they would belong, not on earth.

hobbes24

01-02-2007, 02:51 AM

bbnflpn

01-02-2007, 03:24 AM

When you have the time and energy, please go back and read all my posts on pseudoscience. I will take everything else you say into consideration, but until you can refute what I said about pseudoscience, then I will not believe in ghosts.
i will later tonight i was alittle out of it last night.

im not trying to make any one belive in spirits if they dont want to. its my opinion that they exist. as far as the science of things people will dispute the proof and claim its somthing else.

bbnflpn

01-02-2007, 08:37 AM

ok i have gone back and read your posts about pseudoscience, really all you say is that it is, and link a devinition of what it is. no real proof. im not disagreeing with you that is what it is, because well it is. but i guess since alot of the books i read deal with spirit issues, and deal with the spirit community regularly as well as use divination techniques, and have the abilitys of an empath and telepath its true science to me in a way.

ill use the example of divining (aka dowsing with 2 rods or a Y shaped stick, this can also be done with a pendulum). this is the art of using 2 sticks to find water, oil, gold ect. from what you say its pseudoscience, but it has been prooven on a decent scale that it truly works, but no one knows why they have come up with theories but no real concrete evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divining

i use a pendulum on a regular basis, to find things, ask directions to somewhere, determining the sex of babies,

the same would apply to tarot divination, it gives accurate readings as to whats going on in a persons life reguarding the question they asked, i do alot of tarot, i never ask the person what they are thinking about while they shuffle the cards. and then after they choose their cards, i read for them, and answer their questions know about events, people and other interesting things in their lifes. my uncle who is a devout christian said that he does not like tarot because it is so scarily accurate and he doesnt know why.

Guy

01-03-2007, 06:54 AM

then wouldn't heaven, hell, and earth have to be separated by some sort of "space" (means of separation)? and i don't think we can understand the way heaven/earth/hell exist, so existing in one might not mean not existing in another. this is just (maybe not even close to what im thinking), but in the general direction of understanding posthumous existence
is a picture used just to prove to other people that paganism is the true religion?

You're right, there is no scientific proof that heaven and hell exist. I have three reasons why I believe they do exists (although some are biased, forgive me)

1. I refuse to accept the fact that evil people like Hitler just die. They have to go to somewhere where they can suffer for an eternity. The same applies to good people like Mothera Teresa (sorry, this is biased).

2. Science cannot prove as of yet what truly happens when you die. Sure, you stop living, but do you just lay there decomposing? What about your spirit?

3. Unlike divination and necromancy, science has not yet labled religions like Christianity, Judaism, and other religion that has heaven/hell concept as pseudoscience.

ill use the example of divining (aka dowsing with 2 rods or a Y shaped stick, this can also be done with a pendulum). this is the art of using 2 sticks to find water, oil, gold ect. from what you say its pseudoscience, but it has been prooven on a decent scale that it truly works, but no one knows why they have come up with theories but no real concrete evidence.

Dowsing has worked, no doubt about it, but it could've been pure luck. Dowsing has also failed miserably in other times.

Oh, I hope I have not seriously offend anyone. I am passionate about debating, but I know religion is a sensitive topic. Sometimes I forget about that and may seem too harsh, so I'm sorry if I had sound too harsh.

bbnflpn

01-03-2007, 10:18 AM

i agree that dowsing has been unpredictable. i guess it depends on the skill or talent of the deviner

you dont have to worry about offending me, because your opinion is yours not mine, we can share our opinions and discuss the differences but in the long run we know we will not sway the other to our way of thinking. we can discuss the differences in opinion and even take what the other says and think about it a bit. but in the long run, untill there is actual bonified proof you say you will not belive. it is still fun to discuss.

actually i dont see this as a religous type thread at all. we are disucssing spirits. sure spirit theroy differs from different types of theology, that is not what is questioned here, what is questioned is weather or not they actually exist and the proof there of.

as for the heaven hell thing, i belive in an after life, not nessisarily heaven and hell so to speak. i belive that what we do in this life will reflect how we will live our next one, and learn the lessons we needed to learn previously. i also belive that the pains we carry are passed on.

things i belive happend to me some differnt past lifes. (baised on my medical issues)

i was tortured a few times i guess you can say. i know in one i was burned at the stake, this i saw, it would explain why my skin feels like its on fire for no reason all of a sudden.

i was also put on the rack, and pulled 4 ways by horses, this would explain why my arms and legs are partialy dislocated all around. i have had 8 surgerys to correct my legs.

i was also axed in the face some how (i dont know if it was murder or a battle wound) this is reflected every time i get a migraine i can feel it over my left eye from my forehead to my cheek and it was deep.

those i have no proof of only my own reasoning.

past lifes i know i have had, by visions dejavue

i was a southern sympathiser close to one of the heads of the confederates, i saw for years this vision of me in a carriage going down an oak lined drive, with soldiers marching to one side of me in a feild going up to a plantation type place. at the time it seemed like just a dream, but when i lived in mississippi we went to see jefferson davis mansion and it all came back to me, when we went in i knew where every thing was and some of the history. i had never been there before.

and then the burning incodent which brought me to the path that i am now on. i was burning, with my hands tied behind me with people yelling at me that i was a witch and to burn in hell. i thought to my self am i, i am arent i.

my visions are not often, the telepathic ones are kind of freaky. there are times when i think i had a conversation with a person and i really didnt, but it seemed real at the time. this has happend on more than a few times, and the people look at me and wonder why i knew some stuff. or i will just start talking to them about what they are thinking for no apparent reason. this apparently freaks people out.

M_Ghey

01-03-2007, 08:07 PM

Lots of people can say things like those, but since they cannot prove it completely using a logical method, things like that will remain unscientific, and so people who don't have visions and don't believe in ghosts have absolutely no reason to believe in them, llike me.

bbnflpn

01-03-2007, 10:15 PM

yup, well sooner or later we will beable to prove them in a logical way to people who do not see them. or beable to awaken those who can not see them.

im getting ready to take a basic spirit communication class, it should be interesting, it will awaken my sight so to speak. and then i can better understand. who knows i may get messages from people over the net, it takes me along time talking to some one to beable to empathicly sence them over the net. maybe this will cut down that time.

Silhouette

01-03-2007, 10:51 PM

You're right, there is no scientific proof that heaven and hell exist. I have three reasons why I believe they do exists (although some are biased, forgive me)
1. I refuse to accept the fact that evil people like Hitler just die. They have to go to somewhere where they can suffer for an eternity. The same applies to good people like Mothera Teresa (sorry, this is biased).
2. Science cannot prove as of yet what truly happens when you die. Sure, you stop living, but do you just lay there decomposing? What about your spirit?
3. Unlike divination and necromancy, science has not yet labled religions like Christianity, Judaism, and other religion that has heaven/hell concept as pseudoscience.
Dowsing has worked, no doubt about it, but it could've been pure luck. Dowsing has also failed miserably in other times.
Oh, I hope I have not seriously offend anyone. I am passionate about debating, but I know religion is a sensitive topic. Sometimes I forget about that and may seem too harsh, so I'm sorry if I had sound too harsh.

1. So, just because they are evil, they have to be punished after death? Things don't work out that way. Death is the great equalizer. It doesn't matter who you are, or what you did. Death is your reward.

2. You believe in spirits, but not ghosts? They are basically the same thing, no?

3. No offense to any highly religious people here, but I feel that religion is just mythology. Religion won't be labeled as a pseudoscience, unless it tries to use science to justify it's existance.

And even if several, highly respected scientist come out and say that religion is a pseudoscience, people would just ignore them. Religion and Science don't mix.

I don't believe in Heaven/Hell for several reasons, but I won't get into that now.

@Everyone: I don't see what the big deal is. You either believe in ghost, or you don't. We'll find out what happens when we die. Until then, worry about significant things, such as; going through school/college, finding a job, getting rich and rubbing your money in the faces of your teachers or parents. Yeah, stuff like that.

Guy

01-04-2007, 02:07 AM

1. So, just because they are evil, they have to be punished after death? Things don't work out that way. Death is the great equalizer. It doesn't matter who you are, or what you did. Death is your reward.
2. You believe in spirits, but not ghosts? They are basically the same thing, no?
3. No offense to any highly religious people here, but I feel that religion is just mythology. Religion won't be labeled as a pseudoscience, unless it tries to use science to justify it's existance.
And even if several, highly respected scientist come out and say that religion is a pseudoscience, people would just ignore them. Religion and Science don't mix.
I don't believe in Heaven/Hell for several reasons, but I won't get into that now.

1. Wow, I said that was a personal belief and that was biased. Lol

2. No, I do not think spirits and ghosts are the same. I believe spirits go to either heaven or hell, while ghosts are merely things that wander on earth. Like I said, no scientific evidence prooves what happens when you will die, so I'm free to believe what I want to.

3. You can completely distrust science. Nobody is forcing you to do so. You can go ahead and state that the world is flat. I don't care what you think. If you read my link about the definition about pseudoscience, it clearly stated that stuff like divination or contacting spirits of the other world has been proven false with no factual scientific data.

M_Ghey

01-04-2007, 02:41 AM

There is no use debating differences between spirits and ghosts, since thet are based on faith, belief. Science does not support either one, so idon't see how an argument like that can even be won. What this thread turned into is a debate between people who believe in science and people who believe into the supernatural. Since I want actual proof of something until i bellieve it, in my head, the nonexistence of ghosts is obvious. But that is only because i am a logical and scientific person.

Guy

01-04-2007, 02:53 AM

Yeah, ok, you can disregard my previous post. I've already reasoned things out with the word, "pseudoscience".

Lust

01-04-2007, 03:55 AM

...hmm but ghost exist man...

eiChi

01-04-2007, 10:49 AM

yep. i agree with Kay. ghosts do exist. it just depends on d situation or the person that the ghosts wana show to.

Silhouette

01-04-2007, 11:38 AM

@aizen: This isn't just a battle between science and supernatural. Apparently, religion is a thing on its own. So; Science vs Supernatural vs Religion? -_-"

And it has nothing to do with being logical and scientific. If you see them for yourself, you will believe.

I'm very logical and scientific, and I don't go around saying that every flash of light is a ghost. I disprove many of my "encounters" with reasoning. Ghostly moans? Perhaps it's just the wind. Stomping/foot steps? Well, I live on the second floor of an apartment with thin walls. You can practically here people's beds squeek around here. >.>

@guyklc: You can stop flashing that word around. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. Yeah, you can call ghost hunting a pseudoscience, but that doesn't mean that ghost themselves don't exist.

Kimochi

01-04-2007, 11:45 AM

ghosts are wondering souls that cannot go thru to the other side... since they are souls in us of cuz there are ghosts.. if ppl still duunn believe.. die first nn c fer urself..

Silhouette

01-04-2007, 11:52 AM

lol. I like to think of it as ghost being similar to Heartless/Nobodies from Kingdom Hearts. Strong souls continue to roam around the realm of the living, whereas the weak souls.. Well, they just cease to exist.

Kimochi

01-04-2007, 12:01 PM

oo.. strong souls continue to roam as they can survive.. yea..
one thing is science doesnt prove ghosts exist but it exist cuz they are wondering souls.. no scientific way..

Lust

01-04-2007, 08:25 PM

and sometime science cant explain certain thing around us so there is no prove ghost never exist....

MetroidManiac

01-04-2007, 08:37 PM

NO, just. no.

Silhouette

01-04-2007, 08:50 PM

Hm. Care to post why you believe that? Because that would be considered as spamming. kthx.

Luso Clemens

01-04-2007, 09:06 PM

:/
Hmm...
I've seen a few things and heard some stuff when I was little... always scared the hell out of me, but I don't know if they were ghosts...
Used to see big shadows in the corner of my room in the middle of the night, they'd grow and stuff...
But then, I was just a little girl, so It was probably a figment of my imagination.

Then I would see things in our yard when I'd look out the window from our kitchen.
I went out one night to get something and I seen this eye just looking at me from between some bars.
It freaked me out so bad I ran into the house screaming, all the way to my mom and dad's room...
My dad got out his gun and was like "WHAT?! WHAT IS IT?! WHAT'S WRONG?!"
:/ Naturally because I was scared so bad I could only stutter...
It looked like this guy's eye...
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f195/Asheth/albert-fish-1.jpg

T_T Evil Albert Fish...
He ate little girls and stuck pins inside of himself...

Couchptato10

01-04-2007, 11:28 PM

haha ya i think they do, i've seen a whole bunch of videos and pictures to make me a believer, it's really amazing. maybe there really is a soul society o.o then again maybe not lol

Lincoln1587

01-04-2007, 11:41 PM

I definately believe in ghosts... but I dont think they are really "ghosts". If you believe in the whole parallel dimension theory, then ghosts really dont seem that impossible. One theory of the parallel dimension theory is that gravity in our universe is so much weaker than other forces because it is being "leaked" to us from another dimension that is very close to ours. If that universe somehow formed like ours, and they were intelligent beings living there, why couldnt there be small glimpses of those people leaking to us? After all, when someone sees a ghost it never lasts very long and usually completely disappears after a few seconds, where would it be able to go if not to another dimension?

Guy

01-05-2007, 05:15 AM

@guyklc: You can stop flashing that word around. That doesn't prove or disprove anything. Yeah, you can call ghost hunting a pseudoscience, but that doesn't mean that ghost themselves don't exist.

Lol, OK, fine, but just saying that proves you don't believe in science. Go ahead. I don't spend time arguing with people who don't believe in science. Therefore, everything you say to me is innocuous.

Silhouette

01-05-2007, 11:39 AM

@Lincoln: Then how do you explain seeing the ghost of departed relatives? People that look similar to them from another dimension? Possible, but what about when they know your name and everything?

@guyklc: I do believe in science. But what science can't prove/disprove isn't automatically non-existant. -_-

Kimochi

01-05-2007, 03:21 PM

science cannot prove.. ani supernatural stuff..

M_Ghey

01-05-2007, 08:54 PM

I do believe in science. But what science can't prove/disprove isn't automatically non-existant. -_-
No one was saying that it is nonexistant, really. If you are a person of science, you are not goping to believe in something without any proof of its' existance, but you also cannot prove that it doesn't exist, either.

Silhouette

01-05-2007, 08:57 PM

Actually. A lot of people are saying that ghost don't exist. W/e, I'm not here to convince people. But I have seen them, and thus have proof. Well, not physical proof, but.. >.>

bbnflpn

01-05-2007, 09:28 PM

i also belive in science, but i also know that there are things in this world that we cant understand at least not yet and those things are labled pseudoscience.

we cant know everything. and time happens.

The_lone_sprit

01-05-2007, 09:29 PM

Actually i am psychic but I can't tell you much but the answer to person on 9 there is something like soul socity its called a court I can't tell you anymore its forbbin for me to tell anymore.

bbnflpn

01-05-2007, 09:34 PM

lone i also know that, from a friend who has died 4 times, it was pretty interesting what she said happend who was there ect. and yah i dont feel its right telling people about what happens either. no one has said it was forbidden but i know its a no no

The_lone_sprit

01-05-2007, 09:42 PM

Well Yea ...I know its big no no they will get on to me if I Tell any more that because i have spoken to them and I am connected to spirit world but i can't tell you why.

bbnflpn

01-05-2007, 09:47 PM

cool, you dont need to explain to me :toocool: i understand. i have never been told by them not to discuss it, i know they know i have the information, but i guess they know i wont tell people about it, i think the person who gave me the information knew i was suppose to have it if you know what im saying.

Lincoln1587

01-05-2007, 11:11 PM

Wow... just wow to the 2-3 posts above me.. what are you people smoking? lol...

Anyways..

@Tasogare: I have no idea how they would know the information they do.. the only logical thing I could think of is that maybe the parallel dimension is more technologically advanced than us, and have learned how to break the barrier between dimensions and watch us, even try to communicate with us. As for the poltergiests(spelling?) and such.. maybe the people in the alternate dimension are drunk? I really have no idea, my theory sounded reasonable untill you brought that up. lol

M_Ghey

01-06-2007, 01:12 AM

Guy

01-06-2007, 02:17 AM

@guyklc: I do believe in science. But what science can't prove/disprove isn't automatically non-existant. -_-

Time to visit the handy dandy website for definitions! dictionary.com! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pseudoscience

And cuz some people are too lazy to click on it or read it properly, here:

any of various methods, theories, or systems, as astrology, psychokinesis, or clairvoyance, considered as having no scientific basis.

And for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

As it is taught in certain introductory science classes, pseudoscience is any subject that appears superficially to be scientific or whose proponents state is scientific but nevertheless contravenes the testability requirement of the scientific method

Science that is still in debate is not known as pseudoscience, but rather, frontier science. Pseudoscience has already been proved groundless, from the links that I provided. So yes, scientists basically agree that all forms of pseudoscience are groundless in terms of having scientific values, therefore, by saying "just because science proves it wrong doesn't mean it does not exist" means that you do NOT believe in science.

Silhouette

01-06-2007, 02:40 AM

I know what it means.

And you can't "believe" in science really. Science is fact. You can choose not to follow science, but come on.. It's hard to debate about this kind of stuff with religious people. No offense. >.>;

Bottom line. Some people have experiences, some don't. Whether you choose to believe without seeing is up to you. If and when you have an encounter, that can not be explained through science, maybe you'll become a believer.

Guy

01-06-2007, 02:49 AM

I know what it means.
And you can't "believe" in science really. Science is fact. You can choose not to follow science, but come on.. It's hard to debate about this kind of stuff with religious people. No offense. >.>;

I know, so why is it so hard for some people to admit that ghosts have been classified as pseudoscience? You're saying religious people refuse to accept science, and yet, at the same time, you're not accepting the fact that ghosts have been proven false when it was labled pseudoscience.

Bottom line. Some people have experiences, some don't. Whether you choose to believe without seeing is up to you. If and when you have an encounter, that can not be explained through science, maybe you'll become a believer.

Lol, I guess so, eh? Well, just quoting myself.

One interesting thing I'd like to bring up is that the ancient Chinese believe that only weaklings can sense ghosts. Those with truly powerful spirit energies will send ghosts running away. Ghosts attack people because the victims are usually too weak spiritually to fight off ghosts. The strongest types will never see a ghost because the ghosts would all flee in terror sensing the enormous spiritual energy from the individual from miles away.

So... I guess in conclusion, I'm either too strong spiritually, or it's all pseudoscience.

Jay3205

01-06-2007, 03:50 AM

I'm not really a believer of ghosts. Then again, I'm one of those people who is really scientific. If ghosts readlly did exist, I don't understand why no solid proof shows this. Almost anything detected by a human's senses should be detectable by a machine.

I've seen documentaries where people who can somehow feel/see/sense ghosts are taken to a "haunted" house. The ghost that they supposedly see/feel/sense is quite different than the ghost that should be expected, given the events that happened in the house (i.e. the person said the ghost was probably a young girl who was drowned when the actual event was the hanging of a teenage boy). I think ghosts are just tricks of the mind.

FSFH49

01-06-2007, 03:53 AM

I personally dont believe in "ghosts"

Rukongai

01-06-2007, 04:11 AM

because i have not had an encounter with ghosts in my life i would say that i do not believe them.

bbnflpn

01-06-2007, 06:02 AM

@ lone spirit and bbnflpn: that is the problem with what you guys are saying, there is noproof that can be tested and approved by scientists. It is the same as me saying this: I once saw this dragon, and i followed it into the cow's nest, and then i was able to change weather with my mind because of the easter bunny's blessing. I know it sounds like i am being a dick, but i am not trying to be. It is just there is no use trying to prove stuff to people who believe in science without proof. This proof can't just be pictures or unreliable videos, it needs to be scientific law.
where in our discussion did we say that there was proof, we didnt, i have said all along that what i have said there is no proof of it. the information we discussed is somthing that some people may know about, not every one will know this, nor will they be privvy to that information. it is somthing that people who have had near death experiences have had, and even then not all people who have had near death experiences will experience the same thing. the person who gave me the info has literally died 4 times, as in she woke up in the body bag as they took her to the morgue.

the only time i have said that there was proof was that people try to pass off that proof as somthing else refering to infared, electric voice phenomona, tempruature changes and all the other things that ghost hunters use to look for them.

Silhouette

01-06-2007, 07:15 AM

I know, so why is it so hard for some people to admit that ghosts have been classified as pseudoscience? You're saying religious people refuse to accept science, and yet, at the same time, you're not accepting the fact that ghosts have been proven false when it was labled pseudoscience.
Lol, I guess so, eh? Well, just quoting myself.

Ghost haven't been proven false. -_-

And as for religion.. Don't even get me started on that.

And as for that quote. That's nonsense. Psh. Then again.. That would explain why more kids see ghost than adults. Or so they say.

M_Ghey

01-06-2007, 07:55 AM

where in our discussion did we say that there was proof, we didnt, i have said all along that what i have said there is no proof of it. the information we discussed is somthing that some people may know about, not every one will know this, nor will they be privvy to that information. it is somthing that people who have had near death experiences have had, and even then not all people who have had near death experiences will experience the same thing. the person who gave me the info has literally died 4 times, as in she woke up in the body bag as they took her to the morgue.

the only time i have said that there was proof was that people try to pass off that proof as somthing else refering to infared, electric voice phenomona, tempruature changes and all the other things that ghost hunters use to look for them.
Herein is the problem, isn't it? You say that you see things like that and know people who also are in contact with the supernatural. I think that you just think that you experience things, and i do not believe in it because it is unscientific. Unfortunately, the argument goes nowhere, since the only evidence i can present to support my point of view is the fact that there isn't any to support yours, and that's not really evidence.

Malice

01-06-2007, 08:16 AM

I'm now getting very interested in this topic now. Discussing the wandering spirits that reside here on earth. about 10 year ago I lived in a house that had a Fox soul under the house. you could feel it's presence. I liked the spirit. How can I say this. It's presence cheered me up cause I knew I wasn't alone. What did I call it again.....Shinumi I think.

Lust

01-06-2007, 09:21 AM

you name it???.......that means you seen it b4 and interact with it?

bbnflpn

01-06-2007, 10:50 AM

Herein is the problem, isn't it? You say that you see things like that and know people who also are in contact with the supernatural. I think that you just think that you experience things, and i do not believe in it because it is unscientific. Unfortunately, the argument goes nowhere, since the only evidence i can present to support my point of view is the fact that there isn't any to support yours, and that's not really evidence.
right, and i said i wasnt trying to sway anyones tendencys torwards either way. all i know is that i have been seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling and have had them comming to me in dreams since i can remember. so much so that i tuned them out and tried not to belive them. after a while i started listening to them again. my senses have been dulled but i can still feel, hear, smell, and see them. im gonna take some mediumship classes so i can learn to communicate with them better even if its on a small level.

its hard to belive in somthing that isnt there even when its trying so hard to make you notice them.

sometimes they protect you and you didnt even know they have done it, some times they just want to be acknowladged, sometimes they have messages that need to be passed on ect.

i apparently had been doing this for some time in a way since i am apparently telepathic at times, i will talk to people for no reason, them with horror on their faces because i thought i heard them talking to me asking me a question something as simple as where is this street to a total stranger, to people i know pretty well asking me about their problems. sometimes i would appear in my bosses office for no real reason and have very strange conversations with her, and when asked about them later they never actually happened. or the weridest one was that i thought i had a conversation with a store owner about putting up a flyer in their store, but what really happend was that another friend of ours had asked him the same question, she looked like me but he was remembering the conversation. i thought it was real, the conversation happend with a friend standing next to me, the same friend who was with the girl who looked like me when the conversation happend.

another friend i know i had a conversation with, told me about how he was recovering, i told him i know we talked about this when i first met you, he said um i never told anyone abuot this ever (with in our group) i told him about the conversation, when it happend, that we talked about his na pin ect, he said he had never worn the na pin around us.

sometimes i wonder what really happend and what was a vision because after they happen they seem just as real as if they really did happen.

its not easy knowing the things i do, and its not easy to belive them my self at times, but alas there is a reason why i have this gift why i dont know, do i want it not really, do i want to learn to control it yes, do i want to know what my reality is and what is in my mind hell yes. do i want to stop seeing scary things yes, do i want to stop seeing that werid shadow person who comes in my room and watches me when i sleep, yes, do i want to see him no, do i want to know why he is there and what messages he wants to give me, definatly (maybe then he will leave me alone)

Lust

01-06-2007, 11:47 AM

hmm let see my brother got possess by a ghost well that ghost like to study and according to my aunt(she can see ghost) that ghost is a student well every midnight it will possess my bro and do silly stuff

Silhouette

01-06-2007, 12:46 PM

lmao. I find that very hard to believe. Seeing them is one thing, but being possessed by one on a daily basis. rofl?

Guy

01-06-2007, 07:37 PM

Ghost haven't been proven false. -_-

*sighs* looks like somebody hasn't been reading my posts on pseudoscience again....

And as for religion.. Don't even get me started on that.

Why are you avoiding this? There are such things as prophets, you know? Muhammad, Abraham, so on. They claim to have talked with God before. So you don't believe them, but someone says they've talked to a ghost, you believe them?? Wow, utter hypocrisy.

And as for that quote. That's nonsense. Psh. Then again.. That would explain why more kids see ghost than adults. Or so they say.

Way to go, for insulting traditional Chinese beliefs. LMAO, when the Chinese belief in ghosts, you say that's nonsense. Your words are contradicting each other, I suggest you start talking sense before embarrassing yourself any more.

Silhouette

01-07-2007, 12:25 AM

*sighs* looks like somebody hasn't been reading my posts on pseudoscience again....
Why are you avoiding this? There are such things as prophets, you know? Muhammad, Abraham, so on. They claim to have talked with God before. So you don't believe them, but someone says they've talked to a ghost, you believe them?? Wow, utter hypocrisy.
Way to go, for insulting traditional Chinese beliefs. LMAO, when the Chinese belief in ghosts, you say that's nonsense. Your words are contradicting each other, I suggest you start talking sense before embarrassing yourself any more.

*sighs* I've read every one of your post. None of them have proven ghost to be false. Just because the ways that people search for ghost may be fake, doesn't mean that the ghost themselves are.

I'm not avoiding it really. Everytime I get into a religious debate, I end of offending people. And I'm not a moron. I don't believe every story I hear, which I've said before. I've seen ghost, but I haven't seen gods. You've seen neither, so as far as you know, neither of them exist, right?

I didn't insult them at all. It would make perfect sense actually, which I said in my last sentence.

I'm not the one embarrassing myself. I'm also not the one repeating the same things over and over.

There is no point to this at all. You don't believe in ghost. Who cares? I don't believe in angels, demons, gods, etc. Who cares?

When we die, we will know the truth. Until then, just believe in whatever the hell you want to. I could've sworn I've said that several times, apparently you are the one skipping over posts?

Guy

01-07-2007, 12:42 AM

*sighs* I've read every one of your post. None of them have proven ghost to be false. Just because the ways that people search for ghost may be fake, doesn't mean that the ghost themselves are.

Lol, ok, but let's just say these ghosts really do exist. How do you prove them, scientifically? If you continue to fail at doing something (in this case, proving ghosts' existence), then shouldn't that tell you that what you're pursuing is false... or at least, suspicious and falty?

I'm not avoiding it really. Everytime I get into a religious debate, I end of offending people. And I'm not a moron. I don't believe every story I hear, which I've said before. I've seen ghost, but I haven't seen gods. You've seen neither, so as far as you know, neither of them exist, right?

Quite true, you can say that. I don't know about God (because science hasn't labled praying as pseudoscience, and I'm agnostic) but if what you say is true, then when god talks to you, you'll believe that God exists? You won't think that you were drunk or hallucinating or anything? I'm not saying you were intoxicated when you claim to see ghosts, but I'm saying that inductions made out of personal experiences have a chance to be false.

I didn't insult them at all. It would make perfect sense actually, which I said in my last sentence.
I'm not the one embarrassing myself. I'm also not the one repeating the same things over and over.

If you are shameless for believing in an improbable belief, then I guess you're not embarrassing yourself.

There is no point to this at all. You don't believe in ghost. Who cares? I don't believe in angels, demons, gods, etc. Who cares?
When we die, we will know the truth. Until then, just believe in whatever the hell you want to. I could've sworn I've said that several times, apparently you are the one skipping over posts?

If that were the case, you wouldn't have been debating against me all this time. Why bother wasting your time debating against me, then, if you don't care in the first place? But I guess... when we die, we'll find out.

Then again, I guess I can just be arrogant and say that I'm too strong spiritually. :Haha

Silhouette

01-07-2007, 01:09 AM

Lol, ok, but let's just say these ghosts really do exist. How do you prove them, scientifically? If you continue to fail at doing something (in this case, proving ghosts' existence), then shouldn't that tell you that what you're pursuing is false... or at least, suspicious and falty?

Not at all. It's all about chance really. Let's say you're in the ole West, searching for gold. You can search for gold your entire life, and not find any. Does that mean it doesn't exist? People have seen/touched gold before. Maybe you just suck at searching? Maybe you aren't using the right equipment or methods? :eek13:

Quite true, you can say that. I don't know about God (because science hasn't labled praying as pseudoscience, and I'm agnostic) but if what you say is true, then when god talks to you, you'll believe that God exists? You won't think that you were drunk or hallucinating or anything? I'm not saying you were intoxicated when you claim to see ghosts, but I'm saying that inductions made out of personal experiences have a chance to be false.

Not exactly. Religion and Science are entirely different. Praying is a method of..well.."showing respect". Just so happens that people don't know who they are respecting, or even if that being exist.

And even if science were to label the worship of a god as pseudoscience, what would that do? Nothing. People pray when they are in rough times, or if they want something. >_>;

Which is harder to believe in? A spirit, whom refused to pass on for whatever reason after their body perished?

Or some grand, magnificent being that created the universe and everything in it, and controls what happens and how they happen. Some being far more powerful than even the most powerful anime character. A being capable of creating miracles, and twisting our fate and destiny like it was a wire?

And even if there was a god, he would never speak to me, unless it were to just tell me that I was going to Hell. And even then, he would most likely send an angel or something? Or just drop me there, eh? :whatevah:

If you are shameless for believing in an improbable belief, then I guess you're not embarrassing yourself.

Psh. And people used to believe that the world was flat. People believe in Big Foot and the Tooth Fairy. Hell, little kids believe in Santa. Some fat guy that can slide down chimneys smaller than his face. Is believing in ghost really that improbable?

If that were the case, you wouldn't have been debating against me all this time. Why bother wasting your time debating against me, then, if you don't care in the first place? But I guess... when we die, we'll find out.

Why does anyone debate about anything? Everyone will always have different views and opinions. Boredom perhaps? :whatevah:

Then again, I guess I can just be arrogant and say that I'm too strong spiritually. :Haha

Or maybe they just can't stand your terrible, terrible odor? PWN! Kidding. >.>

Commander Lazy Pants

01-07-2007, 01:38 AM

hmmm, do ghosts exist

as others hav said, not having personal interaction with them i couldnt support it whole heartedly

but many events of the unexplainable type (as you shall soon learn, i twist the english language in ways only others can shake their heads at) do give a bit of support to the existance of ghosts

although i am skeptical, i do try to keep an open scientific mind (physics major, woooooooo!) towards this, so i dont want to completely decide YESSSS! or OMG NO!!!, id rather sit here on my fence and let the facts pour in til the truth is found

but then again we wont kno the real answer til after die, assuming we are conscience afterwards (unlike before our birth, which we cannot remember)

then some one can come back here and haunt all the non believers

@tasogare:

theres NO SANTA??!!!

T.T
*prepares noose*

Guy

01-07-2007, 01:42 AM

Not at all. It's all about chance really. Let's say you're in the ole West, searching for gold. You can search for gold your entire life, and not find any. Does that mean it doesn't exist? People have seen/touched gold before. Maybe you just suck at searching? Maybe you aren't using the right equipment or methods? :eek13:

Um... gold has already been proved to exist... in fact, science classifies it as an element! So... gold isn't a good example, although I understand what you mean.

Not exactly. Religion and Science are entirely different. Praying is a method of..well.."showing respect". Just so happens that people don't know who they are respecting, or even if that being exist.
And even if science were to label the worship of a god as pseudoscience, what would that do? Nothing. People pray when they are in rough times, or if they want something. >_>;
Which is harder to believe in? A spirit, whom refused to pass on for whatever reason after their body perished?
Or some grand, magnificent being that created the universe and everything in it, and controls what happens and how they happen. Some being far more powerful than even the most powerful anime character. A being capable of creating miracles, and twisting our fate and destiny like it was a wire?
And even if there was a god, he would never speak to me, unless it were to just tell me that I was going to Hell. And even then, he would most likely send an angel or something? Or just drop me there, eh? :whatevah:[/QUOTE]

Neither one of them are easy to accept, at least for me. Science has yet to prove God exist scientifically (although prophets have claim to talk to God) but the chances of proving ghosts do exist are very slim, considering all the methods of contacting with ghosts have been proven false.

Psh. And people used to believe that the world was flat. People believe in Big Foot and the Tooth Fairy. Hell, little kids believe in Santa. Some fat guy that can slide down chimneys smaller than his face. Is believing in ghost really that improbable?

Aw come on! They're little kids, of course they believe in anything. People used to think that the world is flat is because they were stupid, and had no scientific way to answer some things. It's just that I thought in an era where everyone is well-educated, I was surprised to find out that grown-men still believe in stuff science has already disproved. Blah, w/e. :P

Why does anyone debate about anything? Everyone will always have different views and opinions. Boredom perhaps? :whatevah:

I agree about the "boredom" part. I sometimes debate if I'm bored, but I don't think you should debate something unless you are truly passionate about it. Also, debates are for learning why there are people who are against a certain type of view.

Or maybe they just can't stand your terrible, terrible odor? PWN! Kidding. >.>

Lol, in any case, I'm just glad I never believe to see a ghost. Hmm... or maybe my "terrible" is the source of my spiritual powers. Hmm... I pwn the ghosts with my smell, lmao, j/k.

Zack_jenkins

01-09-2007, 06:29 AM

i strongly belive they do because i belive when you die you linger to observe all your loved ones and help them through guidance without them knowing it

♥ Tess

01-14-2007, 06:11 PM

never seen one...
but i won't doubt their existence just yet

Xferox 02

01-14-2007, 06:12 PM

if i see one i'll be sure to tell the president

Arelen

01-14-2007, 08:28 PM

I don't think they exist but I'd like them to. I'd like to be one.

♥ Tess

01-14-2007, 08:44 PM

but if ghost do exist...
then bleach is probably based on a true story :P

Arelen

01-14-2007, 09:01 PM

It would be funny if it was. But Bleach is just too unrealistic. Even if there is ghosts the story of Bleach could never happen

Xferox 02

01-14-2007, 11:17 PM

i wonder what american shinigami cloth style would be like

Silhouette

01-14-2007, 11:56 PM

Sweatsuits? US Army outfits? Who knows..

And by the looks of it, you're banned. lol?

Malice

01-15-2007, 05:58 AM

but if ghost do exist...
then bleach is probably based on a true story :P
Not likely there is only death in the forms of deities and immortal gods. Shinigami are not technically immortals. They can still die (somewhat). Beside the robe wearing, Scyth wielding skeleton version of death is good enough for me. Bleach is a fictional story based on the actualisation that ghosts exist. In which they do.
After watching lots of anime like GITS and Bleach, you really do get thinking about the human soul and if it does exist..

I'm sorry if that dissappoints you.

Lust

01-15-2007, 07:41 AM

well it does exist....if you don believe it then,,,wat to do;)? try and go haunted place and stay at there then ya believe

ちい~ちゃん

01-15-2007, 07:46 AM

lol i think its you own opinions if they do or not. To me they do i think i saw one once when i was little. it was all white like a shadow. :_: scares me when i think about it. dont really know if i did or not i guess. but if they do then it would be to bad cause that just means that the after live is real. or they can just be shadow of peoples minds.

Lust

01-15-2007, 07:51 AM

hmm ghost ghost....yes i did heard not saw one like 3 yrs ago...its eleven pm and i am sleeping suddenly i heard a frickin weird noise(like blackboard been scratch noise) i wake up but i cnat move.....all i do ispray that hope it over soon(the only thin can move is my eye) and it was spooky.....god after that day i never close my light when i am slepping well now i got over this trauma anywayXD

Lucki

01-15-2007, 09:36 AM

dont know if i believe in ghosts, but the only times i would possibly believed is when at home i saw a black shadow, then my brother saw it the next day, and i saw it again with my friend, its kinda like a moving silhoette but its probs the light, and also the time my antique music box started playing by itself, that creeped me out but it could just be beacause its old, then there was the time i saw a man walk past my bedroom into my bro's room, i presumed it was him but did think he was dressing weird as it was like a brown leather jacket and i was talking for ages to him from my bedroom, yet when i went in no one was there.But i was probs daydreaming. i used to have a victorean dolls house in my room, quite often when i turned around i could see a little girl playing with it, again that could be in my head since i did dream about the girl and the dolls house.

bbnflpn

01-15-2007, 11:15 AM

shadow people can be scary,

i have a few that hang around at times, im still not sure what they are, people either think they are bad or good depending on their thought

for the most part mine are benign they just watch me sleep.

Lady1

01-15-2007, 11:28 AM

edit:- @ bbnflpn, sounds like youve got gardians, but I only thinks its around either 3 or 4 around you. They dont give me the impression of being bad. Just watchfull. (sorry just giving my opinion)

@ Xai - LOL if you dont believe than you should, youve been shown enough examples.:)
Anyway I remember my first ghost like experience. When I was little and we used to go over no my nanny's (grandmothers) house on the weekend I used to sleep in this room and in the middle of the night Id wake up to a whole lot of kids laughing. this went on for ages and ages and when I finally asked nanny about it she said that (cant quite remember) but it was either the ground under the room or the room itself used to hold a bunch of kids (might have been an orphanage) and yeah that was the noise I kept hearing. another one again at my nannies house, midnight or so again and I walked into the lounge room to wake nannie up and there was this guy dressed kind of like a cowboy I wasnt really awake and it was most likely my imagination but nannie did say there was someone like that around the house. so yeah thats my first as such ghost experience. I more hear them then see them.