Do Ghosts Exist?

[Sahiden]

Well, the creators of this thing think they do really exist:
Search for the Solidalliance Ghostradar on this page! (http://www.japaninc.com/newsletters/index.html?list=gw&issue=187)

I wonder if it could really prove the existance of ghosts...
I'm sure it can be influenced by other stuff as well.

It sure would be cool if it really did work.
But I seriously doubt this.

[dark_kitsune]

I personally think ghosts exist (my best friends old house was haunted) but i doubt that some gadget could prove it.

[Aboroth]

Well i may turnout as an Ignorant but i dont belive in ghosts if ghosts exist tht would mean that theres somekind of afterlife which i dont want to belive too afterlife could end up pretty annoying ;d hell/heaven eternal punishment or pleasant hm lets call it "life" while i dont got anything against this pleasant life the eternal punishment doesnt suit me at all and at this moment im not too happy bout thinkin in the reincarnation stuff damn im tired with this life who would've wanted another one ;d
and the flyin_hauntin_god_knows_what_ghost_version sucks as well so ill stay with a simple ignorant no i dont belive in ghosts ;d

[hyperion]

I personally don't believe in ghosts, but I have friends that do.

They were exploring this old abandoned factory downtown because it was supposed to be haunted. They were up on the roof and heard someone coming up the stairs. They looked at the stairwell and saw a guy running up the stairs towards them. They freaked and thought it was a security guard or crazy hobo or something. Well the guy is running at them full speed, gets to the doorway and just dissapears. So they're all standing on the roof afraid to go back inside the building so they can leave. After a while they all hold hands and walk back inside. One of them heard a noise and took of running. The rest all freaked out and ran after him. Eventually they made it out and drove away.

I'm not sure if this story is real or not. I know they went to the factory because they showed me pictures of them on the roof in front of the sign, but they could have made the story up. Though they did seem really jumpy when I talked to them the next day. Maybe they were just drunk and thought they saw a ghost.

[Darren337]

i would like to believe there is ghosts. it would be amusing (tho far fetched) if the afterlife as described in bleach was actually the way things were. i have had unexplained experiences that keep me from being a skeptic.

the most recent happened at my cousin's house. i was sleeping over and when bed time rolled around, he was already in bed (loser.) i went to ask him something before he passed out entirely, so i knocked and opened his door slightly. the room was dark and i thought he was whispering, because the doorknob was wrenched out of my hand and the door opened more than i originally pushed it. i could have sworn he was 3 feet in front of me and had opened it. i asked him why he pulled the door out of my hand and he said "what are you talking about, im sitting in my bed...." the door wasnt pulled out of my hand by science.

[noire]

i dont belive in ghosts or other stuff like that

i like stories like Bleach, but they are just not real

[Tammy]

i think ghosts exists

[Ryudell]

I dunnoe about ghosts, but my school is kindda spirited. I mean, there are spirits, no doubt about that. We do see them, sometimes. Sometimes they disturb us, sometimes they don't. Can't really help it when u hv a graveyard in the school field, can you? *shrug*

[Darren337]

ryudell: that has to be an interesting experience.

[Ryudell]

Interesting? Kindda. It creeped me out in the first few weeks but we got used to it. But it never crossed my mind to check if the're ghosts...it didn't seem relevant at that time ^^

[Sahiden]

Well, ghosts could exist. Then again, are hard to define.
Bleach could be true. It may seem far fetched because it isn't solid enough like religions. But I'm sure if you could put it in a universal matter, then mix it with a bit of religion and in the end put functionality to everything, that Bleach could be a possibility.
(consider this: Heaven and Hell isn't far fetched, just dumb Black-white afterlife... I don't call that really thrustworthy either. If it were to an expanded vision, but this or that is a bit too easy. Since life is built 100 times more difficult then... So what could possibly be better in such a world...)
I've never really seen a ghost or anything... So I really don't know what to believe.
I'll just keep it at my own beliefs.

[leafdeathstar19]

Cant say.. Its a secret!

[Darren337]

ah, the greatest secret of all.... is your dead girlfriend watching over you at this very moment, protecting you from the world's worst?

[Hinatetsu]

Ghosts exists! The nursing home where I used to work had them, I swear!

For now, brace yourself, I shall tell you a story.

I worked night shift in the hospice unit one day, and this woman, who ALWAYS sleeps all night, starting ringing her call light about 2 in the morning. However, this woman can't talk. So every time I went into the room she would point to the corner of this room and start freaking out. I couldn't figure out what she wanted and was getting very annoyed since I ended up going into her room like 10 times within a half an hour.

So the last time I left her room, I was really mad. It was then that the LPN on duty (who was enjoying herself by watching me get angrier and angrier) finally told me that that room was "haunted".

Every resident who was ever in that room saw the ghost of an old man's upper body floating in the corner. According to the residents who could talk, this man would just sit in the corner all night and watch them. I researched it some and found pictures of a man who died in that room five years ago who matched the description of this ghost. Apparently, no one opened the window when the man had died.

I have another story too about ghosts in the nursing home, if you want to hear it.

[Uzichida Cantameru]

Do tell, all the ghosts that are after me are bad ones, no joke thhey want me to die or sumtin. But when i was a kid i used to see like dead family and some angels etc.
Now the latest one i had seen is the grim reaper.
I was sitting on my couch looking out the window, i turn around cause i hear all this crap fall from my kitchen. There it is, a person in all black, holding a long a$$ stick type thing, about 6"3, and had red eyes, the eyes were the most tormenting thing ever. When i looked in them i saw death sadness and desapre*shivers* btw there was no face, hands feet, everything was coverd in its black cloak. Were the face is the only thing i saw were the eyes and smoke gently fuming out from breathing.
I looked away scared as heck and looked back to find it was gone. It happened 2 more times but im to lazy to type the stories.

Edit: heres a really bad drwing but it helps make an image.http://artpad.art.com/?ifgub41a1nb4

[Tanpaku]

that's one scary story Uzichida if it was like that. all of these stories are pretty interesting, lets hear more :redbiggri

the area i live in is supposed to be haunted everywhere. like the whole area is one big burial ground. but i have yet to experience anything paranormal all the time i've lived here.

[Hinatetsu]

I saw a ghost one night around 3 when I was walking around the abandoned floor in the nursing home. I was hiding from my supervisor because I didn't want to finish my paperwork and was on my way to the kitchen to steal some danishes when I walked past the office.

There was an old woman in a red sweater leaning over the copy machine. Freaky thing is though, this same woman looked EXACTLY like a woman who used to be in my care, but died. She even had the same clothes. It was...scary. I went back up to my unit and did my paperwork. The nighttime supervisor also saw this woman.

[Darren337]

creeptacular hina, thats reeaaaalllly freaky.

[Hinatetsu]

I'm not lying though Darren!

There's another one too!

One day around 11PM when I was working in the Special care unit, I SWEAR I saw one of my favorite residents walking down the hallway. Except she died the week before and when she was alive she couldn't walk. It was scary - I refused to go anywhere myself the rest of the night.

[Darren337]

hina your new name is karin. you are now karin-chan cuz you fit that all too well.

[Hinatetsu]

Karin? How do I fit the name Karin?

[Darren337]

seeing the ghosts of people you used to watch over. karin-chan... kurosaki clinic... come on.

[Hinatetsu]

ooOoooooooooooo! lol, I get it now. I'm such a moron. A moron with a mirgrane. >< I can't think.

[Darren337]

no hate, its all good. anyway yeah theres this one road that goes through some pretty desolate desert area east of where i live (san diego) and when you go out there you can just FEEL that theres sumthin out here. its sooooo creepy to you wonder what the hell is out there and you almost want to speed through. we keep going just for that rush. (btw ppl live out there)

[Hinatetsu]

*shivers* my BARN is like that. I don't enter it at night because I'm so freaked out. Come to think of it, my house is over 100 years old and is pretty spooky. Gah, NOOO! *runs and hides*

[Darren337]

i like creepy places. i feel at home. i guess thats why i still sleep over at my cousins house.

NOTE: my family is latin and it reminds me of a george lopez joke. "and mexican families always have a haunted house... one room, haunted... you got a house with 2 rooms, one of em's ****ing haunted."

[Hinatetsu]

Ah! A latino! *runs away* J/k. I used to be prejudice (because ALL the Mexicans I knew where dirty pervs), but now I like latinos too since I discovered that the ones I know where just jerks, period. And not like that b/c of being Mexican. >< *glomps Mexico*

Anyway, I like creppy places too - but sometimes you just hear things...

[Darren337]

hey im LATIN... hehehe. my mom's from guatemala, so im technically even more beaner than the mexicans. anyway, yeah a lot of MEXICAN mexicans (not the latins who are just called mexicans) are really perv-tacular. i hate going to TJ with my friends cuz i hate how the guys will walk by and grope a girl in the clubs, or stare at their chests. its so disrespectful and ruins the night for me.

anyway, yeah we havent made the "ghost town run" as we call it in a while, we've been driving up to the mountains to look at stars and snow and have fun on the winding roads.

[Hinatetsu]

Awww, I did say I used to be! Not anymore! You're not mad now are you Darren?

[Darren337]

never, hina! i understand it was a USED TO BE thing and i also know what you were up against and understand why you were a hater

[Hinatetsu]

Whew, good. I thought I offended you! ><

Ok, this is the last post, I gotta get some sleep - I need to get up for my first day of class in the morning.

'Night everyone! >:(

[Uzichida Cantameru]

thats why ur still on... u offended me though lol always arguing wth me >< jk

[Darren337]

....? uzi she was talking about offending me cuz of her comment about mexicans

[Uzichida Cantameru]

sigh* i know i said: u offended me though lol always arguing wth me >< jk
it was supposed to be a side note on our fighting ><

[Darren337]

yeah well it was too far to the side, you fell off man...

[Tanpaku]

lol, a topic about ghosts went into a discussion about mexicans and arguing

[Darren337]

yeah it happens, there are more mexican sightings then there are ghost sightings *shrug* thats just how it is... i guess you could look at it like aliens > ghosts *Hahahaha*

[Tanpaku]

haha, true true
but ghosts just seems cooler...as long as they're not trying to kill you

[Darren337]

yeah cuz ghosts dont float outside home depot looking for a job "TRABAJOOOO!"


hehehe, j/k

[dark_kitsune]

*and now back to our regularly scheduled topic....*

I live not too far away from Virginia City, NV (old west mining town). There are a couple of really old grave yards up there. So anyways, I was up there with my sister and some of her friends and we had a digital camera and it was the middle of the night. It was summer and the night was clear - no rain, falling leaves, etc. So we take some pictures of the headstones and stuff and when we got back home, loaded the pics onto the computer we discover that the pictures are FULL of floating white specs. It looks like a snowstorm in the images. There was nothing to cause this (dust, rain, whatever). Also - we enlarged one of the images to get a better look and some of the white specs look like faces. There's a couple that have distinct eyes and mouths.

Weirdest thing I've ever seen....and I've seen some weird stuff.

[Tanpaku]

hey, dark_kitsune, could you post the pics? that pretty creepy up if you can see faces on them. but those white specs sound like something i remember hearing about on tv.... can't remember the exact name at the moment

[dark_kitsune]

hey, dark_kitsune, could you post the pics? that pretty creepy up if you can see faces on them. but those white specs sound like something i remember hearing about on tv.... can't remember the exact name at the moment

My sister has the pictures - I'll ask her tomorrow if I can borrow them to scan.

[Darren337]

that is seriously trippy stuff, i love it!

[Ballistics]

I've remember stuff like that when I was younger really...in my house there used to be so many creepy things that happened...we used to have a lot of family living with here when I wasn't even born and most of them WOULD not for the love of god want to sleep in the our living room...why? haunted...And in my mother and father's room they have these cabinets and stuff and on some nights all the druaws ( don't know how to spell that crazy word) and the doors and stuff it has would just open and close quickly...like a poltergeist thingy...Growing up I didn't hear about that stuff cause they thought it would've kinda MAKE me see stuff...but I saw stuff in the living room none the less... the last one I can remember is of a little boy looking for a ball...and him looking at me...asking me to help look of it...

Well as a kid I feared the dark and what I saw in it…but then when I got my own room ( my brother moved out for a while) I stopped fearing it and started hating it…I cursed and tried to fight off what I saw…till it all went away…since then only 3 events have that have anything to do with spirits have happened. The First one was when my brother and I went to town for a while and left my folks here alone. As they where watching the TV in the night and then the lights went out and the TV went to that white stuff and then at first it was just a simple knock at the front door…they didn’t even say a word…then the door was being knocked even harder…my father then asked who it was…nothing…my father tried to look out from a window and then the walls started to move and the knocking sounded like a hammer trying to brake down the door…then a voice…”LET ME IN! LET ME IN YOUR HOUSE! OPEN THE DOOR AND LET ME IN” My mother being strong in the faith began to pray and the voice said “LET ME IN YOUR HOUSE AND IN YOUR SOUL! WORSHIP ME…” then nothing…the lights came back the TV to normal…Then I saw the Holy mother Mary one night…and my hatred to anything like that kicked in…I yelled and cursed at her…told her that she had nothing to tell me and to go and leave me. Then…the last one was in one of my dreams…I just fell in love with this girl and my mood has been always rage, chaos, and hate since I was little I’ve always been like that even when I loved and smiled and laughed…the demon in me could always be seen behind the mask…but with her I truly loved and got love back…I was happy for once…but then one night…as I slept a dream that was more then a dream…It was the Devil and me talking (not that I haven’t had these before) and in this dream something was wrong from the very start…he had his hands around my neck and yelling at me…”WHY ARE YOU HAPPY? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE WOMAN? IF YOU WON’T TO FEEL WHAT I WANT YOU TO FEEL THEN YOU’LL FEEL PAIN!” I woke up bleeding from my mouth, my nose, my ears, threw up a bit, red eyed, numb and cold, a rash on my neck, and a pain in my head like crazy…soon after I she broke up with me and life was the same cold, harsh, and lonely place like always…

Well there you have it amigos, I live because I refuse to die. Ballistics out…[B]

[Darren337]

well ballistics... i have no idea what to say, as usual, i have no clue how to follow up on one of your posts. those are all very interesting accounts

[Ballistics]

...well have you anything like that Darren? any kinda spirit action? like going to a house that has a famous ghost around a area and actuly be held down with the most kind've fear and pain in your heart? as she moves across the room hidning her face with a mask...that is until she notices you and comes up and takes off her mask right above you...and you try to look right in her eyes but...SHE HAS NO EYES! no face but you can feel she is mad...and then Flies right into you and then you black out...and don't wake up for a day or so...Nothing like that?

Well there you have it amgios, I still can't believe she got me. Ballistics out...[B]

[Darren337]

i already posted a couple of mine, and i feel its not worth my effort to re post or quote myself.

[Tanpaku]

wow... just wow. Ballistics, i'd be afraid to go into your house. that thing with the tv sounds like the ring already. now the movie wasn't that bad but if it were to happen in real life... jeez. i remember seeing an avatar of someone holding a bat and hitting that girl as she came out of the tv. you should find some preist to bless your house or something.

as for Darren... do you ever sleep? lol, it seems you're always on

[Darren337]

tanpaku: wouldnt you like to know. *hehehehe*

[Ballistics]

lol, a priest? no way...I fight em...do I win? sometimes I like to think I do...but I can really never win...we just have like a cross in every room, holy water always handy, and a bible and my hate...hey darren? what dessert? Mojave? Death Valley?

Well there you have it amigos, don’t even try to use ojigy boards, or anything like that around me…I might end up cursed again so I’ll brake and burn it all. Ballistics out…[B]

[Rhian]

I’ll contribute mine, it’s not really a ghost story but I do believe in the afterlife.

I was very sick at the age of 14, I had a high fever that did not go away for more than 2 weeks. I had countless injections and medications but it didn’t really help much. One day I was sleeping and I remembered having this “dream” that I was in a room floating and staring down at my own body, with people beside me but I couldn’t see their faces. I remembered being very afraid all of a sudden and started crying but I couldn’t move. The next thing I know is that I woke up in hospital, in the same room as my “dream” and my mom told me that I lost consciousness and they had to rush me to the hospital. I don’t know if that’s what you would call a out of body experience but it was very real and haunted me ever since. And you do become more sensitive to things that you cannot see -.-

[Ballistics]

yes, things like that are things I forget quicky...I've been the hospital most of my life...and I tend to shut down and forget everything...and that faceless thing...crazy...This life and the end of it truly speeks in a way everyone can understand...So everything went well Rhian? I just hope that didn't have a netive effect on you...

Well there you have it amgios, I wonder how it must feel to try to explane what the soul felt when the body gave? Ballistics out...[B]

[Rhian]

I wouldn't say it left a negative impact, more like it just makes me more sensitive to a point that i can sense how many people there is in a room before i went in and whether someone is lying to me. Sometimes it work, sometimes it doesn't it depends more on my concentration and i think everyone can do that if they concentrate hard enough. If you are really curious to know what it feels like in that "dream" well... all i can say is helpless and sad, maybe because i don't wanna die yet. I'm very curious now to know if anyone experience this too and maybe share it?

[Crimson_Stigmata]

Yes ghost do exist. I have seen a few and experience first hand at what they can do when they are really angry and want you out of their house. >_>"

Try sleeping in a haunted house. Not sure if it was ghost or a demon but I felt something grab my leg and pulled me off my bed.

Yeah that was fun.

>_<"

[omen]

Yes. Everything gets cold and you can't move or talk.

[Rhian]

getting pressed by them is no joke at all... I heard from my friend that chanting the Quran (sp? sorry... i'm not malay) will get them to release you but I'm not so sure about that since I'm not malay and he is and that's the only thing he knows >.<

[Tanpaku]

getting pressed by them is no joke at all... I heard from my friend that chanting the Quran (sp? sorry... i'm not malay) will get them to release you but I'm not so sure about that since I'm not malay and he is and that's the only thing he knows >.<

wonder if that would work on all ghosts?

i got a couple stories although nothing has ever happened to me. just stories i heard around here so i'm not sure if they're real or not.
anyone wanna share their opinions on the afterlife?

[Darren337]

i think its funny how people believe in the afterlife AND reincarnation. they have opposing beliefs. first, reincarnation is the idea that your soul takes a new form when your body dies. ok fine. they say thats just the way it is. sure, i can roll like that. but then people believe that god put us here to punish us for our sins and say we will remain until we cleanse ourself of sins. now tell me... why would someone WANT to be reincarnated while believing in god's idea of why we are here...? can you explain why i run into these hypocrites?

[Tanpaku]

heh, well if you look at it from one way it's not really contradicting. you are reincarnated as a spirit and that is god's way of punishing people. or you could even say you are reincartaed as a person with no memories of a previous life inorder to start over again and this cycle keeps going on until they are cleansed.

[Darren337]

im talking about the people who WANT to be reincarnated AND cleansed and sent to heaven. those few are out of their right minds (if they ever had a right mind).

and who writes: BIBLE(<3)R on their plate (note thats BIBLE, a heart, and then the letter R. for you non plate translators, thats "Bible Lover.")

im sorry, but thats just annoying.

[Tanpaku]

ehh well i dunno. maybe they believe they did something wrong and want a second chance? otherwise it's like doublethink :p

[Darren337]

yeah thats my point. their odd inability to see the flaw in their logic makes them a reason for mass confusion for me. oh well, it matters not.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

i think its funny how people believe in the afterlife AND reincarnation. they have opposing beliefs. first, reincarnation is the idea that your soul takes a new form when your body dies. ok fine. they say thats just the way it is. sure, i can roll like that. but then people believe that god put us here to punish us for our sins and say we will remain until we cleanse ourself of sins. now tell me... why would someone WANT to be reincarnated while believing in god's idea of why we are here...? can you explain why i run into these hypocrites?

Humm reincarnation is mostly in asian religions. As for god punishing people when they die...umm well there is a place call hell, and purgatory. When you die and you have sins you go to purgatory so that you can get cleansed of your sins. Keep in mind these are sins that are small nothing big like murder, rape etc. If you got the big ones you get to go to hell.

Anyways as for souls that wander the earth, well I don't think god put them there. I think that they are bound to the earth because of strong emotions, or they have to complete a task.

I have pleanty of stories, but I rather save them for the camp fire. ^-^"

[Tanpaku]

is that so? *starts a campfire* :redbiggri

[Darren337]

crim: check the second post on the subject man.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

crim: check the second post on the subject man.

Do you know how reincarnation works? It sounds like you are confused?

You do good deeds are a human being, and when you die you get to be reincarnation as a person and good thing will happen to you.

If you do bad deeds as a human and when you die you get reincarnation as something bad like a roach. From there you have to keep doing good deeds untill all your sins are paid off in a sense.

So meh I think reincarnation is complicated. <_<"

[Darren337]

Do you know how reincarnation works? It sounds like you are confused?

You do good deeds are a human being, and when you die you get to be reincarnation as a person and good thing will happen to you.

If you do bad deeds as a human and when you die you get reincarnation as something bad like a roach. From there you have to keep doing good deeds untill all your sins are paid off in a sense.

So meh I think reincarnation is complicated. <_<"

i meant check my second post on the subject, you missed the part about how im confused with people who want reincarnation AND cleansing of the sould and going to heaven to happen AT THE SAME TIME. they want to be but in another body and in heaven.... in the same pass.... that doesnt work no matter what, last time i checked.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

i meant check my second post on the subject, you missed the part about how im confused with people who want reincarnation AND cleansing of the sould and going to heaven to happen AT THE SAME TIME. they want to be but in another body and in heaven.... in the same pass.... that doesnt work no matter what, last time i checked.

I did read your post, but I didn't think that you meant for all that stuff to happen all at one time. There is no way that could ever happen.

Reincarnation is a long process. So there is no way for someone to just zoom through or skip anything. >_>"

[Darren337]

I did read your post, but I didn't think that you meant for all that stuff to happen all at one time. There is no way that could ever happen.

Reincarnation is a long process. So there is no way for someone to just zoom through or skip anything. >_>"


thats my point... ive seen people who just dont get it, and thats what i was trying to portray... these, for lack of a better word, idiots....

[unleashthebeast]

In hinduism reincarnation is actually considered a bad thing, the ultimate goal is to break the cycle by believing and understanding that everything is Brahman (their version of God i guess) Its actually pretty crazy, but if you read through some of their stuff it can make sense.

[Darren337]

In hinduism reincarnation is actually considered a bad thing, the ultimate goal is to break the cycle by believing and understanding that everything is Brahman (their version of God i guess) Its actually pretty crazy, but if you read through some of their stuff it can make sense.

there you go, theres the background i needed. the people im talking about couldnt even give me that. anyway, yeah they believe in breaking the cycle while still WANTING to continue it. stupid? yes. i know.

[unleashthebeast]

there you go, theres the background i needed. the people im talking about couldnt even give me that. anyway, yeah they believe in breaking the cycle while still WANTING to continue it. stupid? yes. i know.

Yea, its pretty complex, try reading some of this shit, I had to for a philosophy course of mine. It basically is saying you HAVE to fullfill your duty in your life, but you have to also do it for no other reason but for Brahman, otherwise your stuck in the cycle of karma. Its also kind of wierd perspective on God, seeing as their basically saying he put us here as an experiment to see if we can return to him. Seems pretty sadistic to me.....

[Darren337]

actually i think it makes sense, but oh welll.... SO HOW BOUT THOSE GHOSTS, HUH?

[unleashthebeast]

I do believe in ghosts to tell you the truth, I swear the house I grew up in till I was in 6th grade was haunted. The craziest things would happen when I was by myself at the house, like lights wouldn't go on for me, and would flicker. Who knows tho, could've been bad wiring, never seemed to happen when the rest of my family was there tho.

[Darren337]

maybe the ghost was trying to materialize for you and the light made it impossible for you to see them *shrug* i want to SEE a ghost... i feel a presence from time to time, but never SEE them

[unleashthebeast]

actually a friend of mine from high school's mom was really into all that kind of stuff, like siances (sp??) and had a bunch of books on it. My friend always said I should come over and see if I didnt believe in the stuff.... At the time I didn't really want to get involved with the stuff

[Darren337]

how about now? are you interested?

[unleashthebeast]

I guess I could be, its pretty intriguing stuff... Who knows, maybe over the summer i could still see if the invitation is still open. His mom actually came to my high school before i graduated, for an extracurricular thing and she said she'd interpret our dreams for us if we wanted her too. That was fun, so this could be too.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

Calling the dead by use of witchcraft etc is considered a sin. Well at least that's what my mom tells me, plus all the nuns at catholic school. >_<"

Umm anyways yeah I think that calling the dead is something that is interesting but at the same time it could be dangerous. >_>" You could get posssessed etc...

My grandfather told me a story where there was a devil/demon that possessed someone in his village.

And there was this one old lady that was very pious and she went over to the house to exorcise the demon from the man.

She put garlic under the guys arms and mouth and hit him with a switch. And she was yelling and telling the demon to leave the guys body.

The demon left the body but he was still in the house and taunting her. It spat a whole bunch of blood in her face! So she ran around the house with a sword and just started slashing all over the place.

Somehow she managed to hit the demon and well it bleed. She lost track of it for awhile, but then she found a blood trail and followed.

It lead out to the forest and up some tree.

A week later she died. >_>"

True story! My grandfather was a teen when this happened and a lot of people came to see too.

[Darren337]

now that is seriously trippy.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

now that is seriously trippy.

I consider that lady the first Shinigami. ^-^" Even though she died I think she is in a better place. ^-^"

[Darren337]

hey man, death is only a transition, right?

[Crimson_Stigmata]

hey man, death is only a transition, right?

I wonder if anyone has a freakier story than mine?

And yes and no. Depends if you blieve in life after death. >_>"

[Ogrr]

Been a strong beliver in th' supernatural for quite some time, when me and me mates was younger, would seek out places thought ta be haunted just for grins an giggles, thought we was amature ghostbusters or something :face82: Now here's th' part that gets odd, we whent to a old church on th' coast of New Brunswick and split up inta 3 groups of 2, ta explore an such. Bout 3-4 hours later we all hook'd back up, but instead of our normal "scare" tactic's we all keep pretty mum bout that day. Me an me chum seen things that flitted in an out of th' corner of our eye's, look'd down a well and swore we seen somethin lookin back, among other thing's I been tryin ta forget.... That was 6 years agon, and in them 6 years we never talkd about it, we all drifted apart pretty much from that day, and the last time I fell asleep without a crusifix over my head I woke up with a pressure on my chest so heavy I couldnt breath, like something was sittin on me. I couldnt force my eye's open for fear o what I would see, an as sissy as it was, I even tried ta scream ta wake up th' honey sleepin beside me but I could barely get out a wimper....I aint never been so scared in my life....Ghosts? Mabee, Mabee not, but I aint takin anychances anymore. Somethings are best left unknown...an undisturbed.

[ShukuenShinobi]

I'm gonna start off by saying, that I am not catholic, and that this is my first post at the forums. ^_^; :doindadom

Anyhow, I do believe in Ghosts, very much so actually. For the past year or so, I have been able to feel spiritual presenses, disturbances, whatever you'd like to call them. (Believe that if you want too, not my matter.) I've had a few experiences, none that big.

Onces was with my friend downstairs. We both felt weird, then we felt a cold breeze brush across our skin. We ignored it, and continued to play whatever Video Game we were playing. A few weeks later, I sat downstairs for about an hour in the dark, alone, felt the breeze, and felt it stay in the area, I tried communicating, but failed miserably.

The other happening was a blue light in my kitchen for about 5 seconds, but that isn't related to the spirit in the basement, I know what the blue one was.

My beliefs are that, Heaven and Hell are non-exsistance. As is God. Well, God exsists, but as a feeling rather then a being. Basically, "God" is the force that bonds everything spiritually together, watches over everything, and keeps things balanced. Heaven and Hell are one, just one spiritual plane in which spirits go when they depart the normal plane. The spirits on Earth that take the form of ghosts are simply spirits who are tied to the Earth for reasons. Whether it be a connection to a person, a place, their own body, or having the desire to seek those who can sense them, and stay around them for company, as a living connection to physical realm.

This is what I believe in anyway, as far as Ghosts and Spirits are concerned. I simply just know and feel too much to believe that they don't exist, regardless of your religious beliefs.

[montoven]

yes ghosts do exist, I have seen to many to say otherwise , i also think the reasons for staying as a ghost rather than moving to the next plane are as great and varied , as the reasons to go.

[Kaylana]

I beleive in...something. I'm atheist so I don't suppose they'd be ghosts or spirits by anyone's definition, but I do think there's some large science that man hasn't explored yet that includes auoras, ghosts, and telekineses (I'm a skeptic, and this 'undiscovered field of science' thing is just how I cope with the fact that I've seen all 3 and none are logical). I have had two direct experiences with that kind of thing, one where I saw my friend's house ghost and then I just used to have prophetic dreams, where I'd dream up to a day at a time, usually a week or so before it happened. But then I sort of stopped remembering any dreams at all until last spring, and now I nullify all things supernatural. My aura is inhumanly smooth, my friend's house ghost avoids me, my friends who do accurate divinations for other people can never get mine right, and this one guy who, according to everyone else, was telekinetic, couldn't do anything until I left the room (though I'm thinking my friends may be playing along with a prank here).
So....um...yes. I beleive in ghosts. Unfortunatley, I can't see them anymore because they stay as far the hell away as they can. A little creepy, huh?

[unleashthebeast]

I think I might know exactly what you are talkin about kayla

[JM2000]

I believe "ghosts" exist. But not the type that everyone is thinking that hunts people. I believe that certain spirits are still on this earth.

[phishy]

I had to register just to respond to this thread.

Ghosts are not real.

Its all in the human mind, Humans have become too smart and are thinking about things that nature really doesnt intend them to.

To me, when a person, and any kind of animal dies... it just dissapears, it doesnt think it doesnt have a brain anymore, its out of existence , theres no other "life"

You guys think too much

[Darren337]

I had to register just to respond to this thread.

Ghosts are not real.

Its all in the human mind, Humans have become too smart and are thinking about things that nature really doesnt intend them to.

To me, when a person, and any kind of animal dies... it just dissapears, it doesnt think it doesnt have a brain anymore, its out of existence , theres no other "life"

You guys think too much

you watch anime and imagine TOO little.

[Tanpaku]

heh, this thread has really gotten interesting while i was away

first let me say this, if ghosts exist in another plane around the earth and there is no heaven or hell then they are bound to walk the earth until the planet is destroyed. and then what? do people really have spirits or are we just hollow shells walking around? and if we have souls what about the conservation of energy and matter? proving the existance of ghosts would change everything about science. maybe ghosts exist, maybe they don't but no one has undenyable proof yet. skeptics will always disaggree unless you have some amazing proof.

as for Kaylana, that's pretty interesting. maybe you're like ichigo and can confuse others' senses :LOL:

i've always wanted to go on a successful ghost hunt but it just isn't happening

[s4kur4]

Yeh i think ghosts r real~! my aunties use to can see them in the hallway, also i heard that my dad's friend's dad-whos like realli old could see them and when he walks, he doesn't walk straight coz he dodges them eheheh funni
Also i heard that people who r usually pure (ie; kids) can see them and i also heard that if ur walking in a group with 3 ppl, you can see ghosts because ur 3rd eye is opened, but u all can see it when one person in the group already has it opened..!! hmm yeh these r what i hear from ppl^^true story i think, but u may not think so

[Crimson_Stigmata]

heh, this thread has really gotten interesting while i was away

first let me say this, if ghosts exist in another plane around the earth and there is no heaven or hell then they are bound to walk the earth until the planet is destroyed. and then what? do people really have spirits or are we just hollow shells walking around? and if we have souls what about the conservation of energy and matter? proving the existance of ghosts would change everything about science. maybe ghosts exist, maybe they don't but no one has undenyable proof yet. skeptics will always disaggree unless you have some amazing proof.

as for Kaylana, that's pretty interesting. maybe you're like ichigo and can confuse others' senses :LOL:

i've always wanted to go on a successful ghost hunt but it just isn't happening

I like your Priest avatar. From Ragnarok Online? Magus Exorcist ^-^"

Anways I haven't really seen a real live exorcist. Although I do have some uncles that have been to a few. It says that the are pretty creapy.

Anways there is a NBC special on tonight. I think it's called "Dealing with the devil."

It's a real live exorcist caught on tape. So I would ecourage everyone to watch it. ^-^"

I know I'am going to. ^-^ although the actually exorcist isn't about ghost, but it's still cool. I think this proves the life after death thing, for the people that don't believe that there is a hell. >_>"

[Tanpaku]

thanks :) . yeah, it's from ragnarok. character creators are fun to mess around with.

heh, that show sounds interesting. i'll have to watch it, or at least part of it.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

thanks :) . yeah, it's from ragnarok. character creators are fun to mess around with.

heh, that show sounds interesting. i'll have to watch it, or at least part of it.

Meh that was the worst exorcist I have ever seen/heard. >_>"

My mom told me that she saw a real live exorcism when she was 11. She was in Catholic school at the time, and her team leader spent three days at this place where usually boys stay to become priest or something. So basically it's an all boys Catholic school or something. >_<"

Anways her team leader and the rest of the team leaders that were staying in that wing of the building were all possessed. Priest and nuns didn't get any sleep. It got so bad because one girl would start screaming and wailing and then the rest of the girls would all start going off too. There were like 10 girls in that wing and all 10 were possessed.

The priest and nuns there tried everything to calm them down but it was no use. The girls would just scream like crazy like they are being choked or something because breathing was very shallow.The priest and boys that were staying at the other side of the wing would try to hold the girls down. That didn't do any good because the girls would just kick all of them to the other side of the room. It seemed as though they had super human strength.

The priest and nuns decided that it was best if all the girls were to go home, so the send a notice out to their parents that the girls were going to go home early. They sent for a cart puller? Not sure what to call it in english but basically it's like a cart where you sit in and some guy pulls it.

Then when the girls got home their family members would stick garlic in their armpits and stuff. Then they would just start wailing like they are in a lot of pain. They also wipped them with a special kind of switch that is used for expelling demons.

Anyways my mom's team member happen to be in the same village that she was in so she went to vist her.

While she was there she witnessed the exorcism. Her family members would whip her with the switch and ask her if she knew where she was, and how she got there.

She would answer "What are you talking about? I had to run all the way here!"

That's where it started to get creapy, because it seems that the demon followed the girls home. ^-^"

Then after about a year passed by the girl got better, but her dad got possessed. >_>"

Her dad would refuse to eat and sleep and stayed away from sun light. He would just face a wall and would sit there all day. They had priest come to try and talk to him but it was no use. Her dad ended up dying a few months after he got possessed. She also died shortly after at the age of 23. T_T"

[Tanpaku]

O_o there's so much in this world that is unexplaned and most of it will probably remain that way. just gives people more reasons to be afraid of the unknown.

[Ballistics]

Crazy...people died due to such things...I don't know what to say...

on that stuff about bringing up the dead...I advise not to it...My old high school friends who were all into that stuff kinda made me do some of that stuff...It was Odd...We would get six pincles, two people are needed...and then we would hold them so the points touch the erasers like |_| that and then the two people put the two together...

I know there some fancy stuff where you call out a dead persons name and ask them questions and then the pincels would start to bend out or in, out meant no, in ment yes...I think ( i kinda forgot ) anyway it WORKED and they where having fun with this from of witch craft...( oh yeah no crosses or thinking of anything else other then the questions and the dead) then it was my turn...with the crazy dood...he wanted to speek to the devil and I being me at that time, I didn't care...I remember asking, "are you real?" It said yes...then I asked, " Are we crused?" and it stated to move to the yes again...then I broke the pincles I held...then burned them...then lost my mind for a while... Girls didn't talk to me much from then on, Started to hate god and the devil, and my eyes still get all teary when I'm in a church...and to this day I'm kinda tanted by a little evil...I just can't be at peace...So again...Its not good to mess with evil...if your not ready for it it can kick your ass before you know what happened...

Oh yeah and today in my nap time I had a dream... huge cintapeds and a huge white sword in front of me thats all i remember...

Well there you have it amgios, The wall of fate is built from pain...fear....fury...sarrow and joy...till its tall enough to reach its end. Ballistics out...[B]

[Corgeta]

ghost's i would have to say yes i have never done any of those Magic thing's or stuff to summon dead like that but when i was little about 12-14ish went to one of my mom's old frined's house and there was this Huge Barn that was like Halfway Burnt down and stuff used to be part of a like house and stuff rest all got Burnt in flame well back to Story lol i was walking around and i seen a snake was playing with it for a while then i walked in to the barn and i seen like a Blue/grey/darkish person siting at the vary back looked like a little girl crying it was i would say 5-6 year's of age or little more or less it's been a few year's and i sat there got my mom and told her she went and looked and seen it to but after my mom did we went to move in closer and the ghost disapperd.

then when i was 10 i was liveing in a Aparment 2 room's 1 bathroom Garadge and stuff well i was sleeping in my room one night and felt like some thing was Tuging on my and in my dream i walked out side and seen General Gordge Custerd and he told me not to go in to that room then i walked back in to house walked in to grandma's room and i was siting there telling people not to go in there and a remote contorl car drove in to the room and my sister called it and she ran out saying saten was in there and since that dream i didnt walk in to that room for 3 week's but after i started to walk in there i had some pet's Iguana and stuff any pet i ever had died in that room every time i brought a new one home it died and shit i dont live there now but ya werid.

then at my Cuzin's house mom woke up said she could see red eye's every were looking at her and she grabed me and drove off and then right after she did some one died in there.

my life has been vary werid like since those age's i have been able to like sense and see shit even tho alot of people do not Baleive me but ya but alot of stuff has happend those are only a few thing's dont want to get in to more plus alot people dont think can under stand what i am saying becuase of my spelling and grammer sorry all :(

[Hinatetsu]

This is so cool - I'm inspired to look for ghosts again! ><

[Crimson_Stigmata]

This is so cool - I'm inspired to look for ghosts again! ><

Well according to my mom, ghost are suppose to be friendly. It depends if the person was good or not that makes them evil and turn into demons.

So basically ghost are plus

and people that do bad deeds IE kill people and die, turn to ghost become demons.

So evil people are minus and become hollows. ^-^"

[Darren337]

yeah thats how i always viewed ghosts. every species/medium has its friendly and its unfriendly and ghosts (and aliens and bigfoot probably) have its friendly and unfriendly versions.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

yeah thats how i always viewed ghosts. every species/medium has its friendly and its unfriendly and ghosts (and aliens and bigfoot probably) have its friendly and unfriendly versions.

I like it how you can use everyday knowledge and compare it to bleach and vice versa. ^-^" That's just hot. ^-^

I'm sad, no one relpied on my demon exorcist post. T_T"

[Darren337]

you mean your mom's story? thas just creeps man. all that needs to be said about that

[Crimson_Stigmata]

you mean your mom's story? thas just creeps man. all that needs to be said about that

Yes that one! I was afraid that it was too long, or people were scared of the wall of text. I tried to make it into short paragraphs so it would make peoples' eyes bleed. >_>"

I'm going to ask my grandfather if he has any demon stories. ^-^"

[Darren337]

man i read it and i was like: "im sooooooo staying out of religion!"

lets see what gramps has to say *woot!*

[Crimson_Stigmata]

man i read it and i was like: "im sooooooo staying out of religion!"

lets see what gramps has to say *woot!*

Well from what I have gather, I think other religons do similar thing. For example Buddhist monks also have incantations to expell demons from people. However my mom says it's not as effective as garlic and the switch. >_>"

Demons hate garlic, and the switch really hurts.

Garlic makes my eyes kind of water and getting hit by any kind of switch already does hurt. So meh ^-^"

[Darren337]

let me clarify my stance: "im so staying the F*** out of ALL RELIGIONS!!!" hehehehe

[Tanpaku]

well said Darren.

Crimson_Stigmata, i read your thing. that previous post was kinda refferring to it. that's just messed up how people die after being possessed. scary....

also, good job on relating this to bleach. heh, bleach could actually be true.

[Corgeta]

true i mostley say every thing is true has to come from some where a dream but then dream's can be real to. consireing like Dragon's people do say they are not real but if they are not real why do u have so many Legend's and pic's of stuff and story's and shit about them i would say it would be a Fariy tail from one like town/contuery but then almost every single place had stuff like these Japanise's and Chinze's do English with knight's and shit Russsin's almost every Cultre has stuff like this so it's True lol.

p.s sorry for Rambleing on i tend to do that when i start talking about stuff i think about every single day i think about ghost's demon and stuff

[Tanpaku]

i agree, i've always believed that everything has had some truth to it. or rather, every lie is made up for a little truth.

[Darren337]

what if we found out that the bleach take on life/death/after life/and so on was the most accurate way to describe it? what if there was actually shinigami? what if you had a chance to become one?




what would you do?

[Tanpaku]

hmm, interesting. yeah, i'd become a shinigami. could use a change of pace around here.

[Darren337]

i would become a shinigami because i enjoy making balance around me as it is.

[Corgeta]

hmm i would but i would be a rouge kind of one lol and they tell me what to do let's go

[Crimson_Stigmata]

I would be a Shinigami/Quincy hybrid. ^-^"

Be totally hawt. ^-^"

[Corgeta]

lol :LOL: :LOL:

[Crimson_Stigmata]

lol :LOL: :LOL:

What's so funny?

I even have a bracelet with a cross on my hand right now. Umm it's on my right hand though. >_>"

[dark_kitsune]

so would you have the shinigami hakama/kimono and the quincy glove and bow? That would be a kick ass combo - yeah, hawt. :redbiggri

[Porkchop Express]

I would be a Shinigami/Quincy hybrid. ^-^"

Be totally hawt. ^-^"

That is quite ingenious.. I'd blatantly copy crimson

[Crimson_Stigmata]

so would you have the shinigami hakama/kimono and the quincy glove and bow? That would be a kick ass combo - yeah, hawt. :redbiggri

I think it would something like shinigami hakuma/kimono but reverse colors. So instead of the black it would be white, and where ever it's white it would be black.

Not sure about the glove though...maybe my ZanpaKutou is a bow. ^-^"

[Sahiden]

hmmmmm... I taught about that a lot. But I had to do a lot of backstage work in order to let everything make sense. Just to imagine a few cool things like such for myself. In the end it all became so big I decided to just make a story out of it. And so I have worked on with the story of Sahiden.

I'm planning on creating part 1: Vale Ethare, in a simple RPG with something like RPGmaker (just untill I know how to create my own engine) But especially battle system is a big problem at the moment. I'll probably have to create an own system there ayway.
Well, it's totally not about Sahiden though. (Sahiden isn't even mentioned till part 3.)
Right now the story has already 3 big chapters (I'm probably going to divide each chapter in smaller pieces since part 1 and 3 are BIG, all the other chapters are smaller and still need a huge lot of work.)
Part1: Vale Ethare (This one still needs a lot of work... The beginning and end have already been decided. All the rest is still under construction. Any ideas are accepted at the moment)
Part2: Naetell (shortest piece uptill now, he's not very important untill chapter 5)
Part3 prologue: Sahiden, alive and kicking (really short, about Sahiden before the actual story, before he even will be named Sahiden Ethare)
Part3: Sahiden Ethare, Student Shinigami Extraordinaire
(pretty big piece with a less fortunate ending. Will be very important to the story though.
A lot still has to be done. I'm trying to get a pretty accurate image right now with how Shinigami school would be. A lot of crazy ass training exercises is one thing. Oh yeah Sahiden will be in the Top grade class for Elite but he isn't really elite himself. So he'll get into trouble with that anyway. Teachers will hate him and other students will pick on him. His skills seem vastly inferior compared to the others. But I'm really still dearching for some good conversations and events here. Mostly details since the plot has been decided here.)
Part4: Sins and edges
(Sahiden's schoollife continues, but now at an even higher level. Sahiden gets selected for special team training. During this part Sahiden will mostly feel down but a lot stronger than before. At the end of the chapter he'll have to go on his first mission. To investigate a certain place during a war causing a great inbalance due to forbidden weaponry (energy dispersion weapons).
Sahiden will learn there that stealth isn't his best point and fighting beam weapons with a sword isn't easy. He'll get his ass kicked. But, he'll do some pretty impossible things for his level. He actually ends up beating the entire army positioned there, but only finds himself lying on the ground in the end with a strange unknown sword in his hands, without a single memory on what happened. The sword vanishes at that time. After that we'll follow Sahidens graduation and his first missions, he'll have to work alone for the time being though. At the end Sahiden will end up being annihilated to save his friends: more than death beyond death, he'll end up in the great void where his soul will consumed forever.)
Part5: Everything and nothing
(The story picks up with Sahidens friends setting out on a journey to get him out of the Void, They'll succeed in this quest.
Sahiden will join a tournament for the greatest Shinigami fighter, No soul kills are allowed. Vale will join in this tournament as well. Unfortunatly Naetell will get his chance here, ruining Sahidens afterlife on the road. Sahidens friends and Vale will persue Naetell but stand little to no chance when Vale has to return to attend to important bussiness back home. In the end Sahiden will seal himself completely with Naetell in order to stop him.)
Part6: Void Blade (not gonna tell this part)
Part7: Betrayal and war (The First Shinigami made a deal with an alien race in order to have permission to inhabit a galaxy and create a homeworld for themselves. Yet these aliens now claim their teritory back. A war arises between the Shinigami and this race creating great inbalances in the Universal system. Sahiden can't make it in time and has to see the whole thing pass)
Part8: Void, Sin and... depression ( a Free for all match between Naetell, Sahiden and Vale for the Sake of the Universal system, supreme beings sure can be troublesome when you cause trouble... They'll have to do a mission for the Supreme Balance afterwards, the loser gets the least power enhancements while the winner gets nearly supreme power, temporally powers though.)
Part9: Rebuilding and rebalancing
(The Shinigami have to rebuild everything after the war, yet missions and guidances have to be done as well. As well as some serious pest control.)
Part10: Naetell: good, evil or just a bad personality
(Sahiden tries to find out more about Naetell, so he'll have to spend a lot of time with him. Not too easy after what those two have done to each other. And what is Naetell hiding anyway.)
Part11: Nyot (not telling)
Part12: The Ethereal Edge (not telling)
Part13 to unknown size are still being created. A lot still has to happen but I simply don't have the next chapter in line. I do already have some pieces on further story twists and turns though.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

^
You could really make that into a manga I think it would be neat. Making a video game takes too long >_>"

I like your ideas though. ^-^"

Oh and one more thing....paragraphs are your friends.

It gives people a chance to give their eyes a break. Staring at a block of text really hurts my eyes. I'm sure this true for other people as well.

So remember paragraphs! ^-^"

[unleashthebeast]

yea, that would make a really manga, but damn if that was made into a game, I'd buy it. Too bad I wouldnt be able to finish it very fast because it seems very long and involved, which I like, but I'm always busy as hell.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

yea, that would make a really manga, but damn if that was made into a game, I'd buy it. Too bad I wouldnt be able to finish it very fast because it seems very long and involved, which I like, but I'm always busy as hell.

If it was made into a video game it would at least take a year to be completed. It might be faster if there are other people working on it. >_>"

[unleashthebeast]

True, but I really wouldnt mind waiting a year for a really good game

[Darren337]

waiting a year is such a short period for a good game. really games usually take longer than that from beginning to shipping date.

[Sahiden]

Well, I can't do any grafics work. My wrists only are able to draw curves...
So I can't draw even if I wanted to. If I got someone( or more) to do drawing and stuff I could do anything really.

I really want to build my own engine actually. RPGmaker is too primitive and limited. But I guess I'll need to learn how to write engines first. But, I'm only 17 now and I'm gonna do Programming in college (funny, my present school has that just as a name.), I'll probably go for university-level programming after that.
(Master programmer just sounds TOO good)
That's 4-5 years at best. So, I'll probably try getting a first version of Part1 with RPGmaker.

And yes I do know what paragraphs are... I just lacked time to create them since that usually is the last thing I do.

I have thought about getting this to manga or Anime... But as I said: I can't draw anything. So I pretty much failed doing that.
(If I ever make it into a full-fledged RPG I swear I'll get Anime cutscenes in it.)

At worst, this will become a book I'll write.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

Well, I can't do any grafics work. My wrists only are able to draw curves...
So I can't draw even if I wanted to. If I got someone( or more) to do drawing and stuff I could do anything really.

I really want to build my own engine actually. RPGmaker is too primitive and limited. But I guess I'll need to learn how to write engines first. But, I'm only 17 now and I'm gonna do Programming in college (funny, my present school has that just as a name.), I'll probably go for university-level programming after that.
(Master programmer just sounds TOO good)
That's 4-5 years at best. So, I'll probably try getting a first version of Part1 with RPGmaker.

And yes I do know what paragraphs are... I just lacked time to create them since that usually is the last thing I do.

I have thought about getting this to manga or Anime... But as I said: I can't draw anything. So I pretty much failed doing that.
(If I ever make it into a full-fledged RPG I swear I'll get Anime cutscenes in it.)

At worst, this will become a book I'll write.

You should try to draw free hand with some vector programs. It's basically just drawing with curves etc. >_>"

[kat]

I believe there's something in my room. Sometimes whatever is in my room would jump and walk on my bed while I'm half asleep. I have a feeling there's more then 2 in my room. It's kinda creepy.. It would walk slowly starting from my feet and towards my head. I would try to open my eyes but can't... by the time I open them it's gone.

[Darren337]

now thats creepsville, i wanna see that!

[kat]

It happened last night. They don’t bother me every night. I tried to do something about it but it’s just not working. One time there was someone sitting on my bed. I couldn’t see her but for some reason I just had this feeling it was a woman.

[Darren337]

do they "feel" hostile or are they just sort of there? do they scare you at all?

*intensely curious*

[kat]

the woman that sat on my bed feels like she was watching over me. the one walking and jumping on my bed feels hostile. they haven't done anything to me and i hope they don't. i share the room with my sister and she told me one time i screamed out for help. that night i know i said something but i can't remember what it was. she woke me up after that. strange thing is they don't bother her but she did say she heard something once. they always scare me.

[Darren337]

well i wish the best of luck to you, i bet the woman is the hostile one's mom. it just sort of feels like that kind of situation.

[kat]

thanks. i just wish they would go away.

[Darren337]

you dont like ghosts? *thinks* i guess i would understand, i mean since that one hostile one could get you whacked out in the head. do you think you would be scared if it was just the woman?

[kat]

yeah the hostile one scares me to death. when that one is around it takes hours for me to go back to sleep. if it was just the woman i think i would be ok with. she makes me feel safe.

[Darren337]

hmmm, well try to get in touch with the woman, see if she knows anything about the hostile one. it could just be a little boy jumping all over the bed cuz he's hyper *shrug*

[kat]

the one that's jumping might be a kid but the one that's walking slower towards my head seems more like an adult. i wish i could talk to the woman but i don't know how. even if i knew how the problem is she only appeared once. i don't know if she's still around. i haven't felt her since that night.

ok i should go to bed. that's if i can. i think i kinda scared myself telling you this. good night

[Darren337]

dont be scared, you probably wont even run into them tonight. adn if you do and you cant sleep, just come talk to us, i'll be on a while. (im west coast too, so its just as late for me)

[kinonai]

I know it's stupid, but when I go in my room at night (no matter how many lights are on), I always have this feeling that someone is watching me. So then I look around and no one is there...but I can feel them. There is something in my room. I really cannot describe this in a way that won't make me sound like a quack, so I think I'm going to stop right there ;).

[Tanpaku]

while i'm all for believing in the super natural sometimes things really are just feelings and nothing more. maybe you could get some expert to check it out? or try and find proof somehow.

[Darren337]

i always have the lights out in my room, and i have masks hanging on the walls. if someone is watching me, they can watch from the masks, so i may look back at them.

[kinonai]

It probably is just me, but on the other hand, it still really feels like there is someone there. If there is something there, I doubt that it's bad though...otherwise it probably would have killed me by now, haha. I'm just going to conclude that I am a crazy person and leave it at that ;).

[Darren337]

who knows, you could be right about there being a ghost or two in your room. i dont think my house is haunted since the original owner sold it before anyone died. the house is about 65yrs old i think, and ive lived my entire 19 years of life in here.

[kinonai]

This house is only four years old, although I think that this moved with us >.> (again, my wild imagination).

[Darren337]

*shrug* well whatevr it is, bp/cb is on your side.

[Tanpaku]

bp/cb is gonna become ghost busters haha. hmm i'm not sure how old my house is, maybe 20 years. i know my grandparents built it. a relative died in one of the rooms but i have seen no signs of a haunting.

this whole area is supposed to have sprits around though. night marchers and stuff which steal people's souls.

[Darren337]

you guys are lucky, you have ghosts...

[aya724]

I wish there were... i dunno what the term is in English, but in japan there's a belief about the existence of *shugorei*... a ghost/spirit that watches over and protects you, who isusually a family member. My grandparents own a Buddhist temple back home in Japan, meaning there are epitaphs and tombstones in the BIG back yard / mountain that they have...

[Darren337]

i think when i die it would be an interesting experience to be one of those ghosts that watches over people

[Kiechi]

Shouldn't this be in the debate section?

On topic: I don't believe so. It's got more to do with psychology than anything else.

[Darren337]

we're not exactly debating the existance of ghosts, we're questioning at sharing relevant experiences.

[Kiechi]

we're not exactly debating the existance of ghosts, we're questioning at sharing relevant experiences.

My bad, should of read the previous 15 pages.

[Darren337]

hehe, thats cool, do you have anything else to add?

[Seriph]

On the Topic, off the current topic:

My take on ghosts...etc.

First some theory: magnetic, light, and all EM waves can operate in a total vacuum, 0 matter, absolute zero, as a wave - not a particle. How do you effect things in "our world" (I’m calling it 3rdD from here on) without having anything to effect / or existing in 3rdD? Sting Theory.

Lets suppose those EM waves, aren't entirely in 3rdD, kind of like an iceberg of sorts, most of their "true nature" is in a different dimension, that simply has a well defined effect on our 3rdD.

Ok now to my 2 possibilities for ghosts: (Yes I do believe in them)

1. They are full on sentient entities existing in a separate dimension with an effect on our reality, similar too but clearly different from EM. Do I think they are people that have passed away? Most likely not. Some of you probably question why they can be seen in a semi-physical form then and almost always appearing human. Same Theory as EM: thoughts, the ideas and stuff in your head that can’t be well defined, must exist somewhere, so what if they share some cosmic real estate with the G-Dimension (Ghosts), maybe even the same dimension as ghosts. This would allow these entities to craft them selves in the human form by observing thoughts. Without having to "see" you in 3rdD - maybe they can only “feel” you or your effect in their dimension.

2. They are human. At least they used to be. But what you are seeing is a residual image, of a powerful event. Think of it like a recording. If thoughts, and emotions, have a dimensionality to them, then they will effect our, or other realities somehow. If an event of extreme thought or emotion takes place, it leaves a mark in the reality, an "echo" if you will. That explains ghosts who ignore people, and the repetitive actions of some ghosts.

Ok that’s my 2 cents, enjoy your day.

[asian]

going on topic!

i talked to my friend kevin a week ago and he told me that one night he was in his room with the dogs and nobody was home, and they have like a gate bolted tot the wall at the top of the stars so the dogs can't get in right? so he hears pounding and he thinks its thedogs but they're all in his room. and so he hears louder pounding and then something ripping. so he waits a little bit and looks in the hallway and the gate on the top of the stairs was ripped out of the wall and put by his little brothers room.

another one! one night my friends little brother (same friend) was home alone watching tv and he dad juust left to go somewhere. well he heard the door close and someone run up the stairs and he thought it was his dad. until he realized his dad just left...and his dad was in a motercycle accident and can't run...

crreepppyyyy >.< scared the asian out of me, i couldn't sleep that night.

[Darren337]

scared the asian out of you... thet never gets old *hahahaha*

[asian]

it did! then i was sleeping, or trying to and i heard a knock at my door, and my dad was sleeping cause i could hear him snoring, and my mom was at work. it truely scared the asian out of me, i was white for the rest of the night.

[Darren337]

well things like this happen.


there was a black comedian on comic view, forgot his name but i remember this:

"dont any of you in the audience go to prison, aight? naw im serious, prison changes you man.... it really does. how many of you been to prison? yeah then you know how it changes you... i mean look at me, i used to be white..."

[Tanpaku]

haha, funny stuff asian

as for Seriph, just making sure i understand this. you're saying that ghosts are some type of entity that is able to assume the shape of a person's thoughts or memories? that 2nd theory makes sense sorta. it also explains why ghosts tend to stay in the same place. but what about those other ghosts which interact with people?

and on another topic, are ghosts and spirits the same thing?

[Darren337]

since he's barely in here, i can tell you that you are essentially correct in your interpretation of seriph.

[Kiechi]

Hm, alot of asians on this forum?

[Sahiden]

Well, I made a small theory for my story, since it handles about it anyway.
(I don't like a story with too many gaps)

The world is built on 3 fields of existance: the first is ours, the physical world.

The second is the spirit world, or Spectral world.
The 2 worlds are the same, but in the spectral world everything is built in energy layers.
However, in the spectral realm building a new entity is impossible. Since in order to create an entity you need matter.
Matter also has it's own energy inside it. This energy is visible in the Spectral world and this creates the buildings and such there.
This realm is not the realm the complete spirts dwell in. Ghosts do reside here and this is the working territory of low ranked Shinigami. The Shinigami here are usually the type who had both initial courses: Guidance and Basic Combat, but lacked the ability or power (or just no longer wanted to go on studying) to take higher courses.
The inhabitants of this world are spirits, who do not know they are spirits or who are bound to something in life.
There are spirits who want to watch over their children or family. Or spirits who just cling onto life as long as possible.

These spirits can see the physical beings but, they cannot interact with them by normal means. Also they can only see the inhabitants of the first realm if they want to see them. Usually these spirits can't manifest their energy correctly and therefor are bound to their place of origin for as long as their energy reserve lasts offcourse. When they lose all their energy they become a lost spirit, also know as Hollows.

The spirits can however create a small window of interaction with the physical world if they focus and want it hard enough.
(Ghosts that make things move or give people the feeling something is there)
Some spirits haunt other spirits, seeking their energy to prolong their time there. Or the ones who know: to become a full spirit in this realm.
Full spirit existance is an effect recieved when ones energy reaches a certain level. On top of that their energy control must be at least minimal. (like: moving things in the physical realm on own will, not just coincidential or in great need.)

From that point on they reach a new form, they no longer can become a hollow by energy loss and can see the energy pillars. (explained later on)
When completely drained from energy, these spirits will simply stop existing in any of the 3 realms and end up in the eternal void. That's the catch offcourse to their new form. But their energy regenerates automatically as long as their energy level doesn't reach 0.
Every action does take energy though. The more activity they have, the lower the rate of regeneration and at a certain point, energy decline.
Every spirit does have a maximum of energy and cannot exceed that amount.
Being active includes being awake, so after a while (a lot longer than physical beings since physicals need a lot of energy to function) they need to sleep.
Basically they function the same way as physical beings do. Only they don't need any food.
Not many spirits of the second realm reach this form though.
Spirits who are in this form can start training to have more energy control.
(to make the energy they lose when being active less. The perfect energy control is impossible to archieve, which would mean that they lose no energy when being active)
Or they can try to find new ways of manifesting their energy in the physical realm.
So spirits live in the same world, just a diffirent realm.

The third world is the Energy world.
The home to most spirits. Matter doesn't have any effect on this world. It can be seen as another dimension.
The so-called higher beings reside in this realm and most spirits end up being there as well.
This is the also the realm where Shinigami live.
This realm consists of matter-like materials used for building stuff. Yet this isn't matter. This substance is know as Energy matter. It cannot be brought into the physical or spectral realm in pure form. Neither can it be modified in one of those realms.

Special attributes and even events can be placed into things created from energy matter. Magic is a common thing in this realm and can be invoked on will here.
To use magic in the other 2 realms would mean:
a) high level energy control and manifestation ability as well as mastering the energy conversion ability.
b) use of energy matter in the form of magic stones to channel and convert energy. After use the guidance stone loses it's energy capacities and disperses, the conversion stone on the other hand seals a bit of energy recieved and remains intact, and may even become stronger as it is being used.

In this realm all of the energy pillars are visible.
An energy pillar is the point where energy connects itself to matter. The pillars run through all 3 realms. Energy from the energy realm is transported from the pillars directly into Energetical Matter Components in the physical realm. This is also know as Creation energy.

The creation energy can be used for many applications. For example: with the use of Creation energy, a soul can materialise in the physical realm.
Creation energy can be converted into any particle of any realm.
The pillars are used by Shinigami in order to shift between worlds without using their own energy.
Things are also transported between worlds this way. Like weapons.


That's the basis for all I can think of now.

[Darren337]

that was quite a write up there, sahiden... i like your theories.

[Sahiden]

It's all just for the sake of my story.

[Kiechi]

Well, I made a small theory for my story, since it handles about it anyway.
(I don't like a story with too many gaps)

The world is built on 3 fields of existance: the first is ours, the physical world.

The second is the spirit world, or Spectral world.
The 2 worlds are the same, but in the spectral world everything is built in energy layers.
However, in the spectral realm building a new entity is impossible. Since in order to create an entity you need matter.
Matter also has it's own energy inside it. This energy is visible in the Spectral world and this creates the buildings and such there.
This realm is not the realm the complete spirts dwell in. Ghosts do reside here and this is the working territory of low ranked Shinigami. The Shinigami here are usually the type who had both initial courses: Guidance and Basic Combat, but lacked the ability or power (or just no longer wanted to go on studying) to take higher courses.
The inhabitants of this world are spirits, who do not know they are spirits or who are bound to something in life.
There are spirits who want to watch over their children or family. Or spirits who just cling onto life as long as possible.

These spirits can see the physical beings but, they cannot interact with them by normal means. Also they can only see the inhabitants of the first realm if they want to see them. Usually these spirits can't manifest their energy correctly and therefor are bound to their place of origin for as long as their energy reserve lasts offcourse. When they lose all their energy they become a lost spirit, also know as Hollows.

The spirits can however create a small window of interaction with the physical world if they focus and want it hard enough.
(Ghosts that make things move or give people the feeling something is there)
Some spirits haunt other spirits, seeking their energy to prolong their time there. Or the ones who know: to become a full spirit in this realm.
Full spirit existance is an effect recieved when ones energy reaches a certain level. On top of that their energy control must be at least minimal. (like: moving things in the physical realm on own will, not just coincidential or in great need.)

From that point on they reach a new form, they no longer can become a hollow by energy loss and can see the energy pillars. (explained later on)
When completely drained from energy, these spirits will simply stop existing in any of the 3 realms and end up in the eternal void. That's the catch offcourse to their new form. But their energy regenerates automatically as long as their energy level doesn't reach 0.
Every action does take energy though. The more activity they have, the lower the rate of regeneration and at a certain point, energy decline.
Every spirit does have a maximum of energy and cannot exceed that amount.
Being active includes being awake, so after a while (a lot longer than physical beings since physicals need a lot of energy to function) they need to sleep.
Basically they function the same way as physical beings do. Only they don't need any food.
Not many spirits of the second realm reach this form though.
Spirits who are in this form can start training to have more energy control.
(to make the energy they lose when being active less. The perfect energy control is impossible to archieve, which would mean that they lose no energy when being active)
Or they can try to find new ways of manifesting their energy in the physical realm.
So spirits live in the same world, just a diffirent realm.

The third world is the Energy world.
The home to most spirits. Matter doesn't have any effect on this world. It can be seen as another dimension.
The so-called higher beings reside in this realm and most spirits end up being there as well.
This is the also the realm where Shinigami live.
This realm consists of matter-like materials used for building stuff. Yet this isn't matter. This substance is know as Energy matter. It cannot be brought into the physical or spectral realm in pure form. Neither can it be modified in one of those realms.

Special attributes and even events can be placed into things created from energy matter. Magic is a common thing in this realm and can be invoked on will here.
To use magic in the other 2 realms would mean:
a) high level energy control and manifestation ability as well as mastering the energy conversion ability.
b) use of energy matter in the form of magic stones to channel and convert energy. After use the guidance stone loses it's energy capacities and disperses, the conversion stone on the other hand seals a bit of energy recieved and remains intact, and may even become stronger as it is being used.

In this realm all of the energy pillars are visible.
An energy pillar is the point where energy connects itself to matter. The pillars run through all 3 realms. Energy from the energy realm is transported from the pillars directly into Energetical Matter Components in the physical realm. This is also know as Creation energy.

The creation energy can be used for many applications. For example: with the use of Creation energy, a soul can materialise in the physical realm.
Creation energy can be converted into any particle of any realm.
The pillars are used by Shinigami in order to shift between worlds without using their own energy.
Things are also transported between worlds this way. Like weapons.


That's the basis for all I can think of now.

What is a "Shinigami"?

[Darren337]

What is a "Shinigami"?

alright i have a serious question for you? why are you here?

[Kiechi]

alright i have a serious question for you? why are you here?

Because I like bleach. How does not being familiar with terminolgy such as "Shinigami"? question my existence on this forum? I assume it's a japanese word, and I'm assuming your not jap, so I hardly think your anyone to judge someone because they don't know the meaning of "Shinigami".

[Sahiden]

Shinigami means Death God...
We use the word Shinigami rather than Death God because it sounds better.

[Kiechi]

Shinigami means Death God...
We use the word Shinigami rather than Death God because it sounds better.

Thanks for clearing that up Sahiden :redbiggri .

[Seriph]

haha, funny stuff asian

as for Seriph, just making sure i understand this. you're saying that ghosts are some type of entity that is able to assume the shape of a person's thoughts or memories? that 2nd theory makes sense sorta. it also explains why ghosts tend to stay in the same place. but what about those other ghosts which interact with people?

and on another topic, are ghosts and spirits the same thing?

Pretty close, imagine what would be a world, where our thoughts, and dreams are objects of some sort. That particular theorey suggests, the ghosts exist in or are a part of that same world. They wouldn't be human, but to us either by "effect" or intentionally they appear somewhat human, maybe they are a more "ultimate" kind of life form composed more of some kind of ethereal energy, and what we are expecting to see (a human, a relative) is what we see, eitehr by us projecting it, or them reading and actually being that. This also would help to explain things like telekinesis. If thoughts have a dimension to "exist" in, they then can effect other dimensions in someway.

{Darren is right, I'm not on here constantly, so excuse my late replies } :redbiggri

[chibiishida♥]

nope no Ghost's

the end =3=

[Kiechi]

nope no Ghost's

the end =3=

Have you got evidence to back this up?

[Tanpaku]

nice long theory you got there Seriph. you're making a lot of huge assumtions but i like it. heh, it would make a good story at the least.

[Darren337]

most theories are based originally on fact and then create assumptions to define a path that the theory is headed upon.

[Kiechi]

Pretty close, imagine what would be a world, where our thoughts, and dreams are objects of some sort. That particular theorey suggests, the ghosts exist in or are a part of that same world. They wouldn't be human, but to us either by "effect" or intentionally they appear somewhat human, maybe they are a more "ultimate" kind of life form composed more of some kind of ethereal energy, and what we are expecting to see (a human, a relative) is what we see, eitehr by us projecting it, or them reading and actually being that. This also would help to explain things like telekinesis. If thoughts have a dimension to "exist" in, they then can effect other dimensions in someway.

{Darren is right, I'm not on here constantly, so excuse my late replies } :redbiggri

Wow, alot of assumptions. "Would explain telekinesis" - How do you telekinesis is real?

[Tanpaku]

how do you know it isn't real?
anyway this is a thread for opinions so people just share whatever they feel like talking about. (that is also the reason why we tend to stray off the topic so often) assumptions are opinions.

[Kiechi]

how do you know it isn't real?
anyway this is a thread for opinions so people just share whatever they feel like talking about. (that is also the reason why we tend to stray off the topic so often) assumptions are opinions.

Because it hasn't been proved. Unless your willing to prove me wrong?

[ZeroWind]

I do believe in ghosts.Acutally there is another theory that states that ghosts do exist but in a different dimesion altogether. In life there exist 3 dimensions: 1-D,2-D,3-D. We exist in the third dimension and we move at a pretty moderate speed. The 2nd dimension has a slower speed and the 1st dimension has a very slow speed. In theory there is said to be a 4th dimension where ghosts exist. In this dimesion the beings move at an insane speed. Because of there speed the beings can cross over to our dimension and stay there for some time until they slow down and return to the 4th dimension. Because they move so fast they seem transparent because their speed allows them to move through walls and stuff because their molecules are moving at such an intense rate. I am not sure if this theory is true scientifically but I believe it to be true.

[Tanpaku]

Because it hasn't been proved. Unless your willing to prove me wrong?

nor has it been disproved. it is one of those things which still remain unknown so people could just give their opinions on it and not worry about being right or wrong. personally i tend to be a bit skeptic when i hear about things like telekenisis since many of those who claim to have powers are frauds but it could be possible. i'm sure there are some true cases out there.

and Zero, i always thought about that high-speed molecule thing but not for ghosts. if a person could get their molecules moving fast enough then they should be able to pass through objects. that theory is ok but it doesn't explain the ghosts which repeat their actions.

[Kiechi]

nor has it been disproved. it is one of those things which still remain unknown so people could just give their opinions on it and not worry about being right or wrong. personally i tend to be a bit skeptic when i hear about things like telekenisis since many of those who claim to have powers are frauds but it could be possible. i'm sure there are some true cases out there.


I know what you mean but what I'm trying to say is if it has not been proved, then it can't be considered "true" reguardless if there is living proof out there that hasn't been found yet.

[Sahiden]

Moving fast alone won't make you able to pass through a wall. You have to see not get your or the walls energy level disrupted. Alse you or the wall would become instable and desintegrate. Basically: moving through it would disrupt it's normal order. Thus creating imbalance in both your molecules and the wall's, so you'll both end up corrupted and in pieces.
If you could shield your own energy from the wall's energy particles, then you could move through. You would have to desintegrate and reintegrate though.
Which is virtually impossible for beings bound to matter.

Don't directly point the theory therefor to the garbage can, because it would be possible if you have full control over both your molecules and energy.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

Hm, alot of asians on this forum?

Ummm for sure I only know of four asian people on the boards. And I happen to one of them. ^-^"

[aya724]

^ I hope i'm included in those 4 ~ (what kind of asian? me=jpn)

[Crimson_Stigmata]

^ I hope i'm included in those 4 ~ (what kind of asian? me=jpn)

No sadly you aren't in my list of known asians. But now I can add you so that makes 5. ^-^"

Humm I'm a mix asian, so not really true to any of the asian groups.

French Grandpa is Viet and French
Japanese Grandma full blown Japanese
Vietnamese Grandpa side
Chinese on My dad's Grandma side
Vietnamese Grandpa dad's side

Humm....so...not sure how that all adds up, but it seems more viet than anything else. I have light brown eyes...from the french side I'm guessing.

Yeah >_>"

[Darren337]

No sadly you aren't in my list of known asians. But now I can add you so that makes 5. ^-^"

Humm I'm a mix asian, so not really true to any of the asian groups.

French Grandpa is Viet and French
Japanese Grandma full blown Japanese
Vietnamese Grandpa side
Chinese on My dad's Grandma side
Vietnamese Grandpa dad's side

Humm....so...not sure how that all adds up, but it seems more viet than anything else. I have light brown eyes...from the french side I'm guessing.

Yeah >_>"


i'd day at that point you're just asian... hehe.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

i'd day at that point you're just asian... hehe.

Yeah but Ayako-chan asked what kind of asian. >_>"

[Darren337]

a mutt. *shrug* thats about as close as you can get unless you describe it all over again.

[Crimson_Stigmata]

a mutt. *shrug* thats about as close as you can get unless you describe it all over again.

Blah I don't have time to elaborate...I have to go now...class gonna start soon. >_<"

[Kiechi]

No sadly you aren't in my list of known asians. But now I can add you so that makes 5. ^-^"

Humm I'm a mix asian, so not really true to any of the asian groups.

French Grandpa is Viet and French
Japanese Grandma full blown Japanese
Vietnamese Grandpa side
Chinese on My dad's Grandma side
Vietnamese Grandpa dad's side

Humm....so...not sure how that all adds up, but it seems more viet than anything else. I have light brown eyes...from the french side I'm guessing.

Yeah >_>"

Do half asians count?

[Darren337]

any amount of asian should count. like the rice in my stomach from panda express and the bleach in my mind should make me an asian *hehehe*

[Crimson_Stigmata]

any amount of asian should count. like the rice in my stomach from panda express and the bleach in my mind should make me an asian *hehehe*

>_>" Panda express what's that?

Sorry I don't go out to eat much...>_<"

[aya724]

Kev-kun's family structure is cool!!! ur definitely Asian~~ but a cool mix, u should be proud~

ppl ask me where i'm from only bc i've lived in too many countries.. but im purely Japanese by blood (altho i may not seem it).

Kiechi>> sure half-asians count!! (< what kind?) so would that make 6?

[kinonai]

Ohhh Panda Express!!! There was one in the mall in Indiana when I lived there...so good...

[Darren337]

panda express is a quick and wonderful chinese food restaurant. they cook in a traditional manner and offer a large variety of favorites like orange chicken, beef n brocolli, and many others.

[ZeroWind]

I think I might order that now.

[Darren337]

i wonder if ghosts like panda express.

[ZeroWind]

Let us go into the fourth dimesion and find out

[Tanpaku]

i wonder if i'm in that count of asians too.

anyway mm... panda express. they have those just about everywhere here. it's good but there are also better places. the orange chicken and fried rice... yum

[Crimson_Stigmata]

panda express is a quick and wonderful chinese food restaurant. they cook in a traditional manner and offer a large variety of favorites like orange chicken, beef n brocolli, and many others.

If it's traditional I can imagine a bunch of MSG added to the mix. >_<"

[Darren337]

hahahaha yeah cuz we all know how much they love using spice from the MSG tree, yeah?

[Crimson_Stigmata]

hahahaha yeah cuz we all know how much they love using spice from the MSG tree, yeah?

MSG is more for flavor enhancing. >_>" Evil it is...that's why I always cook at home. I don't like the junk that people put into stuff...

Even water isn't safe at resturants now...people spitting in it...and putting their utilities in it...(guy utilties.) >_>"