Chad (Sado) VS Kurotshuchi Mayuri

[Rain]

Just curious. Mayuri seems one of the weakest of captains in battle. Could Chad win?

[Ollson]

No.....
Chad is nowhere near captain level, he wouldn't stand a chance.
In the manga, he's gotten stronger, it's not really known how much stronger though, so i can't really say if "manga-chad" could win.

[Rain]

No.....
Chad is nowhere near captain level, he wouldn't stand a chance.
In the manga, he's gotten stronger, it's not really known how much stronger though, so i can't really say if "manga-chad" could win.
Perhaps, but
Kurotshuchi Mayuri's Bankai has extremly low manouvreability. If it were used would Sado be able to destroy it and perhaps catch Mayuri off Guard?

[Ollson]

I doubt that Chad could destroy Mayuri's bankai.
Ishida's power when he destroyed Mayuri's bankai was immeasureable.
Immeasureable is a synoym for limitless.
Shinigamis has limits, Ishida when he took off his glove didn't.
And Chad's power is far from limitless.
And Mayuri is pretty fast aswell.

[Rain]

Yeah, i guess you are right. Mayuri would be the winner.

[natto]

It'd be extremely difficult for Chad to destroy Mayuri's bankai, and perhaps just as hard to avoid the captain's shikai. XD The poison from Mayuri's trident is pretty lethal as well.

[Rain]

Yeah. But Chad is strong he should be able to withstand the posion longer than an average Shinigami. But it would drasticly decrease his reaction speed and strength.

If hit, he would be Vulnerable to most attacks and get beaten extremly easy.

[SHiKaMaRi]

Sado is certainly strong and all, but Mayuri has a shikai that paralyzes and a bankai that poisons. I doubt Sado/Chad can win against the creepy clown faced captain.

[T_Ichigo]

Chad wouldn't stand a singel chance .. he doesn't even has shnuynpo which is a very useful skill .. Chad would just be paralyzed by that crazy clown head's poision hehehe. The level difference here is quite big

[natto]

And even though Chad's been training, he's nowhere near Supa!Quincy Ishida level.. >o> Chad's power doesn't exceed human limit while Ishida's, at that, definitely did.

[Miyata]

I doubt that Chad would even be a challenge for Mayuri because unlike Ishida, he has no super super-human powers, whereas Ishida, in glove release mode does. So maybe if Chad gets to that level but at the moment, I highly doubt it.

[rOyKiA]

Chad wouldn't stand a chance against mayuri, Ishda couldn't even get behind Mayuri and Ishda's faster than Chad..so definitely, Chad won't stand a chance (unfortunately)

[Winter-war]

first of all, you people who start these threads must be more specific. which chad are you talking about anime chad or the current manga chad, but if you are reffering to anime chad than he cant beat anyone on captain level

[Cloudarc]

yeah chad would get destroyed with the paralizing techings with mayuri's soul slayer and i dont think he would even make him go to bankai

[Ollson]

yeah chad would get destroyed with the paralizing techings with mayuri's soul slayer and i dont think he would even make him go to bankai

I don't even think he would get Mayuri to release his shikai.

[IcYxWiNd]

well chad is stronger than an averge shinigami,but no where near captin lvl,im talking about anime not manga,so i think chad would lose to mayuri

[akuma2486]

There is no way in Hell that Sado could beat Mayuri especially after he releases Konjiki Ashisogi Jizu. Once Sado breathed in the poison it would be all over, and Mayuri is almost as fast as Uryuu when he is using Shunpo.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Lets make this clear, manga Chad is captain level. He took a privaron espada to the cleaners. His reflexes also allows him to counter and keep up with high shunpo level movement. Not to mention, his shield can block an attack that makes cero look like crap without any damage. All of that and we haven't even gotten to the Left Arm of The Devil

[Momentum]

Lets make this clear, manga Chad is captain level.

Wasn't that much of a challenge for Noitara to beat Chad.

So who wins this fight? Mayuri. You never know... Mayuri might get a chance to stab Chad and paralyze him... and what if Chad forces Mayuri to use his bankai? Chad won't be able to resist the poison unless someone gives him an antidote which I highly doubt. "OH! Why don't you become my test subject instead?" ROFL Mayuri... xD

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Noitora would destroy most of the characters we consider powerful with ease. He's probably not the most powerful espada due to his boasting, but the pervert is clearly a high-tier espada. I'm sure he wouldn't claim to be the strongest if he wasn't near the top to begin with.

This fight could go either way in my opinion. Mayuri's shikai has a pretty broken technique. His bankai is even more cheap. In order to win, Chad would need to immediately go to full power and hit the mad scientist with his most powerful attacks. He might be able to pull a victory in such a situation. The Left Arm of The Giant would probably help him to avoid getting cut. His normal energy blasts or El Directo could blow Mayuri's poison gas away.

[Momentum]

His normal energy blasts or El Directo could blow Mayuri's poison gas away.

Although Chad can keep doing that... he'll eventually get tired and he'll be forced to suck in Mayuri's poision. He might even suck some of the poison while in the process of "blowing them away" xD

[Undying]

Why would he be forced to do that? He would blast the poison away and immediately move in for a decisive strike.

[Jay3205]

I don't think he can just blast away the poison. His attacks wouldn't help him blast away poison gas any more than a getsuga tenshou. If he does manage to somehow get close to Mayuri, he probably won't be killing Mayuri in one shot. Mayuri can shunpo as well; although he may not be the fastest, he is fast enough to dodge an opponent who was outside the range of his poison.

[Undying]

Chad can simply blast Mayuri from a distance with his Right Arm of the Giant.

[Momentum]

Why would he be forced to do that? He would blast the poison away and immediately move in for a decisive strike.

Chad can simply blast Mayuri from a distance with his Right Arm of the Giant.

But then Mayuri can also dodge Chad's attack and shunpo somewhere else and you never know might shunpo close to Chad so he can go for a stab... IF Mayuri uses bankai, Chad doesn't only have to deal with poison but also with Konjiki Ashisogi Jizou. The poison from Mayuri's bankai can only affect you if you are within 200yds. Chad can't simply keep blowing the poison away... Chad will eventually suck some of the poison. Mayuri doesn't really need to do anything... all he needs to do while in bankai is watch Chad blowing the poison away and laugh. I guess all Chad can do is run away as far as he can so the poison cloud won't be able to reach him but then again Konjiki Ashisogi Jizou will rush to Chad and attack him with sprout of blades that comes out of his neck. What if Chad blocks the "sprout of blades"? Don't forget Konjiki can simply puff a cloud of poison out that will definitely make Chad suck the poison.

[backwardsnemo]

i truly belive the captain would win, if you simply look at the battle between Kyouraku Shunsui and Chad, especialy since the 8th captain showed absolutly no dificulty in doging, chad could also never handle the combind ofensive of multiple high level officers as he has a fairly low raight of fire and Kurotsuchi Mayuriwould fight with Nemu and would use her as cannon foder while he can strik at Chad

[Undying]

Considering Chad's high level of power, I doubt he will have trouble in blasting through Mayuri. And Shunsui is stronger than Mayuri anyway.

[pero_renji!]

Mayuri wins hands down.

[VinScythe]

i truly belive the captain would win, if you simply look at the battle between Kyouraku Shunsui and Chad, especialy since the 8th captain showed absolutly no dificulty in doging, chad could also never handle the combind ofensive of multiple high level officers as he has a fairly low raight of fire and Kurotsuchi Mayuriwould fight with Nemu and would use her as cannon foder while he can strik at Chad
Mayuri is not the fighting type, he doesn't even like creating for better fighting skills like Urahara does. At this point, Chad could even outspeed him.

But to Shunsui Chad still falls under the radar. Shunsui's fingers would still cause enough damage for him to defeat Chad, his speed and shikai would be just enough to tie and defeat Chad. Kyouraku's winds could deflect most of his thrown fists, no doubt he has stronger reiatsu as well if he could barrier Nanao from getting her lungs crushed.

[Jay3205]

Even if Mayuri is outsped by Chad, the difference is not as dramatic as bankai Ichigo vs. Byakuya. Speed doesn't really mean much when you have no range attacks and can't fight in close range.

Chad's ranged attack can't be fired quickly and would be very easy to dodge from 200 meters away. Also, blasting attacks don't really work to blow away gases. Close range combat is out of the question due to the poison.

[VinScythe]

Even if Mayuri is outsped by Chad, the difference is not as dramatic as bankai Ichigo vs. Byakuya. Speed doesn't really mean much when you have no range attacks and can't fight in close range.
Chad's ranged attack can't be fired quickly and would be very easy to dodge from 200 meters away. Also, blasting attacks don't really work to blow away gases. Close range combat is out of the question due to the poison.
Are you familiar with La Muerte? spanning a vast area resonating with wind forces that carved a skull shape into a stone wall. I would guarantee that could deal away Mayuri's toxic cloud, crush/dent the incoming bankai float, plus Mayuri can't utilize the shunpo to dodge in that state. Mayuri has weak long range attacks, shooting swords could be stopped by Chads hands(possibly even broken by them). That hook from his ear proves very useless, Chad overwhelms him from long range, it wouldn't take much effort for his huge fist to break Mayuri a fissure into the ground.

[Momentum]

Are you familiar with La Muerte? spanning a vast area resonating with wind forces that carved a skull shape into a stone wall. I would guarantee that could deal away Mayuri's toxic cloud, crush/dent the incoming bankai float, plus Mayuri can't utilize the shunpo to dodge in that state. Mayuri has weak long range attacks, shooting swords could be stopped by Chads hands(possibly even broken by them). That hook from his ear proves very useless, Chad overwhelms him from long range, it wouldn't take much effort for his huge fist to break Mayuri a fissure into the ground.

Uhh he can't use La Muerte consecutively to get rid of Mayuri's poison right? A cloud of poison is not an object that you can just keep blowing away.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Chad should be able to take this very quickly. All he needs to do is just straight up blitz Mayuri and use La Muerte. Shunsui, who happens to be a senior captain, said back in SS arc that the result of being hit by one of his attacks would be really nasty. He is clearly a lot more powerful now. El Directo is probably on a different level of power than those attacks. Considering that La Muerte was revealed last, I'd say its his strongest attack of all. Mayuri would be done for if he got hit with that.

[VinScythe]

Don't forget back when chad first used El Directo he could only do it twice a day, suddenly a week later he was firing more than 3 times that amount consecutively.

He might not even need to use that move twice due to such collateral effects

[Jay3205]

It will be hard to "blitz" Mayuri due to the poison, and I doubt Chad can continuously use his most powerful attack to constantly blow away a cloud of gas. Besides, it's mainly due to being in Hueco Mundo that he's at his max power. Finally, Mayuri won't just sit there and take attacks... he is a captain and can shunpo. Though his speed his unknown, I doubt it's so slow that Chad can completely catch him off guard without him being able to react at all. Finally, a person who can get half his body blown away will probably not be killed instantly in one blow without his head being cut off.

[VinScythe]

Mayuri has extremely crappy shunpo, he couldn't dodge Ishida's arrows(and at the time Ishida showed shunpo similar but I would bet low than Byakuya) If he dodges them in bankai, his bankai being a seperate entity moving on it's own(and quite slowly), will get destroyed along with Mayuri's main method to attack (a defeat).


Now manga chad displayed his ability to keep up with a privaron(former espada) speed, easily setting him to right above the typical captain(mayuri included)

Mayuri cannot dodge many of new chad's attacks and certainly cannot live through that arsenal. The manga has set him to the level of bankai ichigo, you can't deny Mayuri will quickly drop from a few long range fists destroying his territory(and even isolating his poison in a pit) along with La Muerte once at the start, again as a finisher.

[Jay3205]

Mayuri has extremely crappy shunpo, he couldn't dodge Ishida's arrows(and at the time Ishida showed shunpo similar but I would bet low than Byakuya) If he dodges them in bankai, his bankai being a seperate entity moving on it's own(and quite slowly), will get destroyed along with Mayuri's main method to attack (a defeat). Mayuri could dodge Ishida's arrows... he simply chooses to block them. When Ishida first tries to shoot Mayuri, he thinks he hits him. He doesn't even realized he missed until Mayuri showed up on the same ledge as him and started talking. That is hardly a "crappy" shunpo.

Now manga chad displayed his ability to keep up with a privaron(former espada) speed, easily setting him to right above the typical captain(mayuri included)

Mayuri cannot dodge many of new chad's attacks and certainly cannot live through that arsenal. The manga has set him to the level of bankai ichigo, you can't deny Mayuri will quickly drop from a few long range fists destroying his territory(and even isolating his poison in a pit) along with La Muerte once at the start, again as a finisher. Chad's ability to keep up with a privaron espada shows he's perhaps stronger than Hitsugaya, and probably around average captain level. I doubt Luppi would've been promoted to 6th espada unless he had around privaron espada level, even if it was just to anger Grimmjaw. I don't see how Chad is on bankai Ichigo's level except for his strongest attacks maybe. Even then, Chad still has to deal with the poison, which is just not a one-time attack that can be constantly blown away. Poison is a gas... so it won't settle in a pit. Long range attacks don't seem to be difficult to dodge at all for anyone, unless they are ridiculously fast (bala or Byakuya's bankai).

[VinScythe]

Mayuri could dodge Ishida's arrows... he simply chooses to block them. When Ishida first tries to shoot Mayuri, he thinks he hits him. He doesn't even realized he missed until Mayuri showed up on the same ledge as him and started talking. That is hardly a "crappy" shunpo.
That first Ishida wasn't the one I was reffering to, that first Ishida couldn't have outsped any captain's shunpo, outdone any of their defences. Super Ishida displayed the speed right up to below byakuya's chin. That Ishida was also never missed a shot, his strength invoked Mayuri to unleash bankai. To that Ishida Mayuri never dodged, never blocked anything, he fell to that speed and power. Chad displays this greater speed now, definetely this greater attack power as well.

Chad's ability to keep up with a privaron espada shows he's perhaps stronger than Hitsugaya, and probably around average captain level. I doubt Luppi would've been promoted to 6th espada unless he had around privaron espada level, even if it was just to anger Grimmjaw. I don't see how Chad is on bankai Ichigo's level except for his strongest attacks maybe. Even then, Chad still has to deal with the poison, which is just not a one-time attack that can be constantly blown away. Poison is a gas... so it won't settle in a pit. Long range attacks don't seem to be difficult to dodge at all for anyone, unless they are ridiculously fast (bala or Byakuya's bankai).
Chad, Ishida and Ichigo both faced the similar level category privaron espada, it took Ichigo bankai and a little more scraping his limits to get through Ichigo's battle(Ichi was even emotionally stimulated cause of Nell, power bonus). It took all of Chad's new potential as well, MATCHING bankai ichigo at the very least(outdoing his power, likely not speed). One of Chad's new Directos will tear Mayuri's body in half like Super Ishida's arrow, and La Muerte will simply penalize him, poison will never reach him(he can easily step hundreds of meters away and unlike mayuri battle from afar). Chad can even fire his guns automatically appearing half-way his fist is thrown, before Mayuri releases bankai.

[Jay3205]

That first Ishida wasn't the one I was reffering to, that first Ishida couldn't have outsped any captain's shunpo, outdone any of their defences. Super Ishida displayed the speed right up to below byakuya's chin. That Ishida was also never missed a shot, his strength invoked Mayuri to unleash bankai. To that Ishida Mayuri never dodged, never blocked anything, he fell to that speed and power. Chad displays this greater speed now, definetely this greater attack power as well.
I doubt Chad is at Super-Quincy Ishida level.

Chad, Ishida and Ichigo both faced the similar level category privaron espada, it took Ichigo bankai and a little more scraping his limits to get through Ichigo's battle(Ichi was even emotionally stimulated cause of Nell, power bonus). It took all of Chad's new potential as well, MATCHING bankai ichigo at the very least(outdoing his power, likely not speed). One of Chad's new Directos will tear Mayuri's body in half like Super Ishida's arrow, and La Muerte will simply penalize him, poison will never reach him(he can easily step hundreds of meters away and unlike mayuri battle from afar). Chad can even fire his guns automatically appearing half-way his fist is thrown, before Mayuri releases bankai. El Directo and La Muerte are punching attacks, neither of which have any "extreme winds". To use them, Chad would need to go through the poison. Chad could try to blast from afar, but it would be extremely easy to dodge is "punch blasts" from over 200 m.

[jonat3]

I also doubt that Chad is super quincy level.

Yet, if manga chad could easily handle a release from a privaron espada, i don't see him having problems in blasting away Mayuri's bankai. It wouldn't be on the same level as Ishida, but Mayuri's bankai will still be blown away.

Still, Mayuri will win. Chad simply has no way to avoid the poison. You can't outrun air. Even Ishida's arrow that blasted through Mayuri's bankai was not enough to blast away the poison.

A draw is unlikely too. Mayuri was able to survive a hole in his body
the size of a toilet seat. And that still couldn't kill him. While Chad's power is far above that of Mayuri in destructive ability, i'm not confident Chad has what it takes to make an instant kill, because that's what's required to take down Mayuri. If Chad can't manage to kill Mayuri in one blow, he will simply run away by liqifying himself and Chad can enjoy dying by poison.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Manga wise, Chad.

Current anime, Mayuri.

[Momentum]

I also doubt that Chad is around super quincy level. It just sounds too ridiculous...

Seriously what can Chad do to counter the poison? Nothing. Either way Mayuri wins this. He'll basically liquify himself and escape from battle. Chad wouldn't have a clue that Mayuri can do that unless he'll blast Mayuri's head off in close combat which again is unlikely to happen.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Chad in the manga was up to par with sonido and even faster than a privaron espada, so he will naturally be up to the level of a captain's Shunpo, hence If Mayuri attempts bankai, Chad would simply teleport behind him, blast his head and its finished

also, liquifing oneself doesn't count as a win, but it also doesn't count as a loss to both sides, if you say before chad can hit him Mayuri can liquify himself then what's the point? he'll kepp on liquifing in front of chad proving that he is weaker, hence chad the potential winner.

but in the anime, uptill now, chad isn't even up to par with a measly arrancar, how can he then defeat a Taishyou?

Mayuri's posion isn't all that powerful, you just need to dispose of him quickly and escape the scene before the poison spreads through the air, in which Ishida did nicely but unfortunately did not escape the scene.

[Momentum]

also, liquifing oneself doesn't count as a win, but it also doesn't count as a loss to both sides, if you say before chad can hit him Mayuri can liquify himself then what's the point? he'll kepp on liquifing in front of chad proving that he is weaker, hence chad the potential winner.

Mayuri can't possibly liquify himself numerous times. It seems he only uses it if he gets beaten up really bad and what to escape from battle. Once he liquifies himself, it takes a few days to get back to his normal form so no Mayuri won't liquify himself numerously.

Mayuri's posion isn't all that powerful, you just need to dispose of him quickly and escape the scene before the poison spreads through the air, in which Ishida did nicely but unfortunately did not escape the scene.

It doesn't matter if the poison is powerful or not, it can still kill you. Before you try and kill Mayuri, you're going to have to go through bankai first which means Chad will have to breath the poison in which can give him disadvantage while fighting Mayuri's bankai.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Mayuri can't possibly liquify himself numerous times. It seems he only uses it if he gets beaten up really bad and what to escape from battle. Once he liquifies himself, it takes a few days to get back to his normal form so no Mayuri won't liquify himself numerously.


I Know that, I was just assuming even if that happened it would not make Mayuri the victor.

It doesn't matter if the poison is powerful or not, it can still kill you. Before you try and kill Mayuri, you're going to have to go through bankai first which means Chad will have to breath the poison in which can give him disadvantage while fighting Mayuri's bankai.

I also realize that, but you should notice that Chad's attacks is energy projectile based, so if he used a high-power attack he could pierce through Mayuri's Bankai and go through Mayuri a la Quincy final form.

[jonat3]

Ishida's arrow caused a considerable blast as well. And he's a long range fighter. AND he's got shyunpou like speed. He STILL got poisoned.

And it's not cause he stayed too long either. If it's true that the blast dissipates the poison, he shouldn't have gotten poisoned that quickly.

Thinking that an explosion or long range tactics is enough to avoid posion in 200 yards radius is just wishful thinking.

[dragonheart]

Chad don't stand a chance mayuri shikai is sick plus he aint even at captain level yet.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

@Jonat3, the only reason Ishida got poisoned is due to the "anime effect"..

one bad guy pulls out a huge powerful weapon, the good uber strong guy stands for a bit waiting for the bad guy to attacks and then unleashes an ultra-strong attack killing the bad guy in one blow.

if Ishida hadn't hesitated for one second after Mayuri's bankai appeared and just shot the arrow and immediately teleported away he would have avoided the poison easily before it even spread out in deadly amounts.

[Jay3205]

Regardless of whether the "anime effect" saved Ishida, he was still poisoned. Part of it was due to the fact that he was stunned that there even was a bankai, which causes everyone's reactions to slow down and/or wait to see exactly what they're up against.

Either way, Ishida was much stronger and much faster than any other character, including the current Chad. Chad only has like 1 truly long range attack, and it wouldn't be too hard to dodge from over 200m away.

[jonat3]

Yup, and Chad has no shyunpou. Considering the short amount of time it took for him to get posoned, Chad can't escape quickly enough with his speed.

[VinScythe]

I also doubt that Chad is around super quincy level. It just sounds too ridiculous...
What's so difficult to comprehend? current manga Ishida already outdoes his super quincy level, in speed with much more rapid shots(by a three fold), stronger and more diverse abilities, even better endurance without having armor. If Chad ties in comparison to that manga Ishida(as neither took the lead when fighting together), it's extremely reasonable Chad would be Super Ishida, or even more.
I doubt Chad is at Super-Quincy Ishida level.
El Directo and La Muerte are punching attacks, neither of which have any "extreme winds". To use them, Chad would need to go through the poison. Chad could try to blast from afar, but it would be extremely easy to dodge is "punch blasts" from over 200 m.
It' doesn't cause these 'extreme winds' but the force that Chad pummels with release such devastating effects. Directo can easily be shot from afar avoiding poisons up to hundreds of meters, once Mayuri's bankai is destroyed Chad will instantly step in(outspeeding Mayuri) and OHKO with la muerte. To which Mayuri has no Hierro, will be crushed into dust before he can stab himself.
Regardless of whether the "anime effect" saved Ishida, he was still poisoned. Part of it was due to the fact that he was stunned that there even was a bankai, which causes everyone's reactions to slow down and/or wait to see exactly what they're up against.
It wasn't that but the pure strategy of Bleach getting in a good plot, even after Mayuri told him about the poison Ishida stood with a serious look and waited for the noxious breath to come at him. He could have easily run away during that long delay and shoot many large blasts that would destroy the bankai, yet if he did that, that would be no interesting fight .

[jonat3]

It's unlikely that the poison will vanish even if Mayuri's bankai disappears. And even that's unlikely. Unlike Ishida's arrow, it's not a piercing attack. It was unable to blow a hole through a former espada. Instead, it just blew him away. If Chad's attack connects with Mayuri's bankai, the same effect will happen. Mayuri's bankai will be blown away, but unlikely to be pierced.

And for Chad to avoid the poison, he will have to shoot from 200 meters distance. It's abit ridiculous to think Chad is capable of such a long distance attack. He's not Ishida. And it gives Mayuri more than enough room to dodge. Both his bankai and himself.

If Chad ever has a hope of taking down Mayuri, he will be forced to fight close up. In other words, within 200 meters distance. But within that distance he will be immediately poisoned. Blasting away the poison won't do any good, cause if he shoots within the 200 meter distance, he will be poisoned before he even fires a shot.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

hmmm, maybe you're right, but since Ishida got poisoned anyways and was handed the antidote by nemu I will also hand that factor to Chad to make things even.

So Chad goes close range, inhales the poison, while doing so he blasts away mayuri's bankai and in a split second uses the sonido-like technique and blasts mayuri as well then takes the antidote, pretty much like Ishida's case and I think it is highly possible, Chad has the CAPABILITY to destroy mayuri, but not without consequences, so I added the antidote bit to even up the scales between Ishida's scenario and Chad's.

[Momentum]

LOL so what you're trying to say is someone will help Chad by giving him an antidote? Please its highly unlikely... Mayuri will of course tell Nemu to go away because she does get in his way when he fights. Mayuri can even kill her if he wishes to.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

@Shadow.sentinel, you don't seem to get my point, when I was saying that I was going to give Chad the antidote, it was to even the scales between him and Ishida, I'll explain more based on your post.

Ishida fought with Mayuri, pwned him and all BUT he got poisoned, ok, if this is reality world and with a standard scenario Ishida will most likely be dead BUT unlikely, Ishida was given an antidote from Nemu, that time, it didn't matter super quincy, uber quincy or even Ryuuken-strength quincy, he was going to die if it wasn't for nemu, so I gave chad the same post-poison scenario but it was he who decided what happened before the poisoning and that is beating mayuri.

We're talking the possibility of him defeating the bankai and Mayuri or not. we're not talking since everyone get poisoned they all die otherwise Mayuri would be the strongest bleach character there is with a bankai.

[VinScythe]

It's unlikely that the poison will vanish even if Mayuri's bankai disappears. And even that's unlikely. Unlike Ishida's arrow, it's not a piercing attack. It was unable to blow a hole through a former espada. Instead, it just blew him away. If Chad's attack connects with Mayuri's bankai, the same effect will happen. Mayuri's bankai will be blown away, but unlikely to be pierced.
The poison won't be there forever or over 10 minutes once Mayuri's bankai is destroyed, the poison will become heated rise and dissolve into the atmosphere. It did once Mayuri's bankai had vanished and was fleeing the area. With Mayuri's Bankai destroyed, he wont be capable of reverting it into Shikai and stabbing himself. The former espada had automatic Hierro to sustain him whole, and Chad didn't get hurt hitting it! Captains aren't guaranteed such defences, but only capable to nullify attacks if their reiatsu is much greater, Mayuri doesn't he will get cut open like an Adjucha hollow.
And for Chad to avoid the poison, he will have to shoot from 200 meters distance. It's abit ridiculous to think Chad is capable of such a long distance attack. He's not Ishida. And it gives Mayuri more than enough room to dodge. Both his bankai and himself.
It was shown as Chad crossed through the 8th divison barracks that he shot Directo in a straight path right onto the end of a hallway blasting away dozens of shinigami in line, Shunsui dodged it and saw it head a very long distance onto the sky, that definetely was over 200 meters.
Chad's Directo destroyed an 8th divison guard post containing an entire arena and gave Shunsui headaches about rebuiling it. His manga power having to grown to this level where every shot is now stronger than this won't give Mayuri and easy time dodging him, the landscape eventually getting in his way making it further difficult(not hard to spot the poison and shoot). Chad not getting tired for a very long time is bound to hit Mayuri's bankai and disrupt it with the massive craters and shocks he leaves creating an opening enough for a second Directo collision, Mayuri's bankai done in, Chad never stepping into poison territory.

[Jay3205]

^^ I'm pretty sure Mayuri did revert his bankai back to use liquid form. He did it after Ishida blasted away his bankai.

Anyways, dodging within a short distance would be difficult, but dodging from 200 m away wouldn't be too difficult. Also, Chad would have to attack Mayuri's bankai directly, since splash damage probably wouldn't hurt the bankai. If he's creating tons of craters in the ground, he must be attacking the environment. Besides, Mayuri's bankai can also move towards Chad, and Mayuri can also try to attack Chad or distract him separately as well.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

^^ no, jay, dodging from 200 m away is IMPOSSIBLE, DID YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THAT THING????? it has zero mobility sideways and can not shunpo, it is as good as dead meat in front of El directo.

Also, who told you of directo's speed? it might as well be as fast as a quincy arrow, also manga's directo is MUCH faster.

One more thing, when you see your most powerful technique falling before you (Mayuri's bankai) a big guy teleporting in front of you, and then the la muerte, you don't think "I can dodge this", you think "I am sooooo screwed".

I repeat, Chad manga wins, Chad anime loses bitterly.

[Jay3205]

^^ I severely doubt Chad is at super-quincy, so I don't think he'll be able to destroy the bankai or at least to the point where it is completely ineffective.

^^ Finally, if Mayuri's bankai does fall and a big guy "teleports" in front of Mayuri, Chad will have poisoned himself by doing so. Also, Chad is probably not able to overwhelm Mayuri to the point where he can't even react. It was only recently that Chad became able to use shunpo, so I doubt he'll be outdoing captains with it. Also, the point at which his bankai fails is the point he'd slime away. Whether he chooses to show it or not, Mayuri is a captain and can do stuff besides use bankai.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

^^ first of all, Chad does not use Shunpo, he is not a friggin' shinigami nor does he do Hirenryaku of the quincy. I used the term teleport which you sarcastically put in quotations because his ability to TELEPORT does not yet have a name.

Secondly, who said that super quincy is the only thing that can destroy mayuri's bankai? Chad in the manga is clearly at captain level due to defeating a privaron espada which is more than what a captain can tackle also, matching sonido's speed of a privaron espada and exceeding it is equal or probably more than a normal captain's shunpo so we can deduct that he is above mayuri's level, hence can destroy/crush/oblierate/etc his bankai.

Also, he doesn't immediately liquify once his bankai is destroyed, he first stabs himself with ashishogi Jizou in the neck which, as any action in the world, takes seconds or generally, time, Chad CAN teleport to him before he swings the sword.

[Jay3205]

I realizes Chad doesn't "shunpo", but for all intents and purposes it's the same. Also, it takes much more than equal power to destroy a bankai. Ichigo doesn't destroy Byakuya's bankai even though they're roughly equal. Having an edge really doesn't give any bankai-destroying ability. Whether or not privaron espada are above captain level is still debatable. The only measure we have is Hitsugaya, who is probably the weakest of the captains.

Finally, Mayuri doesn't need to liquify immediately. Even if his bankai is destroyed, the poison will still be in the area leaving him enough time to liquify. Although Chad could attack in this time, he'd be poisoning himself in this time.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

1) Use spoilers when talking about the manga, you don't look like a newbie so live up to your appearance.

2)Hitsugaya is not the weakest of the captains, he just has bad luck with fights and is stronger than Gin, wanna debate GinXHitsugaya as a side topic? be my guest.

3)Privaron espada are previous (I'm letting it out since its already leaked anyways) espada, so their level is on par to espada, Hitsu said that Adjuchas are on par with captain, espadas are far more superior, defeat espada=far more superior than captain who couldn't defeat the espada, hence that person not equal to super quicy but on a close range could destroy a much weaker captain's bankai.

4)One more thing, you keep talking about poison this and poison that, **** THE POISON!!! If you care for it so much then please declare Ishida dead in the rest of this thread, IF IT WASN'T FOR NEMU HE WOULD BE DEAD, uber quincy, ultimate quincy or even admin quincy, he would be DEAD. since the poison factor was nullified in his battle, I nullify it as well for Chad's battle since we're comparing super quincy to manga Chad powers only and not the situation.

you've given me sore fingers, man! ^_^

[Jay3205]

Firstly, I don't believe Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin. I believe he is possibly close in power but weaker, and lack of experience puts him on a lower level of fighting capability. Since Gin and Byakuya became captains simultaneously, I would rate Gin close to Byakuya in strength.

Second, the current espadas are better than captains. I'm basing their strength against Yammi. Yoruichi non-shunko could take down Yammi fairly easily, and Soi Fong could match Yoruichi evenly, so I'm guessing Soi Fong could do similar damage to Yammi. If Soi Fong is average, then she should be as strong as the top privaron espada at least, so I'd rank privaron espada on the same level as average captain, which is around Chad's level.

Also, I don't see why the poison should be nullified for this situation. I don't believe blasting attacks are going to blast away a gas anymore than an arrow through mist; I also don't think the poison will immediately disappear upon the destruction of Mayuri's bankai, so Mayuri would have enough time to liquify himself before the gas evaporates.

[Hollow_Man_ct]

DAMN IT! WE'VE BEEN DEBATING THIS FOREVER! ok, I like heated discussions..

Firstly, I don't believe Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin. I believe he is possibly close in power but weaker, and lack of experience puts him on a lower level of fighting capability. Since Gin and Byakuya became captains simultaneously, I would rate Gin close to Byakuya in strength.

Oh? if you are matching a captain's strength by the time he joined then answer me please, If Ichigo joins now as a captain, would he be the B!tch of soul society? Gin is not close to byakuya in strength owing to that he joined close to him in time, no, niet, negative, that is not a measure.

also, Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin, if not than why did Gin use a lowly desperation move to counter Hitsu grabbing his arm? and please don't answer that by saying that Gin is low. instead the right answer is, HE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE DAMMIT!! he was caught by the arm and all that was thanks to the strength of Hitsu's Shikai in front of Gin's shikai, Hitsu Shikai>Gin Shikai, not by much but still stronger.

Second, the current espadas are better than captains. I'm basing their strength against Yammi. Yoruichi non-shunko could take down Yammi fairly easily, and Soi Fong could match Yoruichi evenly, so I'm guessing Soi Fong could do similar damage to Yammi. If Soi Fong is average, then she should be as strong as the top privaron espada at least, so I'd rank privaron espada on the same level as average captain, which is around Chad's level.

X=Y then Y=X yes? so if you say that soi fong is on par with Yourichi that means SF=YR, right? then when you say that Soi Fong is average, are you also saying that yourichi is your average everyday captain? hell no, take that back or Yourichi fans will eat your bones.

Privaron espada are above your average captain, want an average captain? I say, Mayuri, Komamura and Unohana. then Chad defeats them all.

Also, I don't see why the poison should be nullified for this situation. I don't believe blasting attacks are going to blast away a gas anymore than an arrow through mist; I also don't think the poison will immediately disappear upon the destruction of Mayuri's bankai, so Mayuri would have enough time to liquify himself before the gas evaporates.

after this post, PLEASE QUOTE ME! In this area, we have been disussing the poison thing forever, listen carefully, kay?

"Also, I don't see why the poison should be nullified in this situation"

BECAUSE IT WAS NULLED IN ISHIDA'S SITUATION, BY PURE LUCK! KT literally threw him a vial of antidote by an angel called nemu, WE ARE TALKING DIFFERENCE IN STRENGTH AND NOT IN SITUATION.

This is even better, listen. When you compare the boiling points of two different liquids you heat them up and see when they start to evaporate but on one condition, THEY ARE PUT IN SIMILAR CONDITIONS, HEAT, ROOM TEMPERATURE, VIAL TYPE, ETC.. you don't go boiling a cup of vinegar in your lab while your assistant is at the north pole screaming "HALLELUJAH!! I HAVE MADE A GREAT DISCOVERY! WHEN YOU HEAT WATER, IT FREEZES!! IYAYAYAYAYAYAYA" and then he dies from frostbite, but that isn't our case..

you understand what I'm trying to say? I compare their "Boiling points" by putting them in the same "Vial" (Sub Boiling pt. with strength and vial with situation if you haven't realized my illustration), Ishida gets an antidote, Chad gets an antidote, its easy as that.

and I didn't say that Chad would wait, you obviously aren't reading my posts carefully, I said he would Charge in immediately after getting the bankai outta the way (let's not say oblierate, let's say throw away/tackle aside with his blasts/etc..) and then Blast mayuri in the head, at the finish line, he would fine an elegantly placed vial of 1983 Bordeaux antidote with a label on it "Courtsey Of CB, Chad Vs. Mayuri Virtual Battle thread (Insert heart here)".

QUOTE ME IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS MORE, cause this is getting more specific.

[Momentum]

Ishida gets an antidote, Chad gets an antidote, its easy as that.

Is that for real or what? Its impossible for Chad to get an "antidote." He wouldn't know anything about Mayuri's bankai until he actually sees it. No he also won't pull a Soi Fong like during the Bounto arc.

he would Charge in immediately

That doesn't really sound like Chad.

[T_Ichigo]

Oh didn't remember that I once wrote on this thread for long long time ago, however, I just wanted to come by and say that Mayuri, the clown would win hehe ^.^

[pero_renji!]

haha, whoever said Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin, gimme a break. He is clearly the weakest of the captains in combat ability not saying hes weak, but weakest of the captains). And Gin is better than all of the espada for crying out loud. Lemme ask you, do you think Hitsugaya can beat Ulquiorra ? :D
And also, he said that the privaron are better than the average captain...WTF? If a mere privaron can own a captain, why would Aizen bother building an army to attack Soul Society? Then the espada could rape lets say Komamura with one attack ?

[T_Ichigo]

Erhm, I doubt that Gin is stronger than all Espadas, maybe ordinary arrancars, that is to say those with number ten above.
Sure, neither I believe that Hitsugaya is stronger than GIn, and he can't beat Ulquiorra, but I don't think that Gin can beat Ulquiorra either. I haven't seen this myself, but I believe that Ulquiorra would be able to dodge Gin's shikai attack without any problems, or maybe even with his bare hands (o.O).
And we still haven't what the other Espadas are capable of, which makes me doubt even more that Gin is better than Espada 10 :S

[Jay3205]

Gin with vaizard powers would probably be stronger than most if not all of the espadas. Some of my reasons are...

1) During SS arc, Gin talks like he could've stopped bankai Ichigo from sneaking up on Aizen. If normal Gin could stop/slow down bankai Ichigo, it shows he has quite a bit of strength.

2) Aizen picked Gin, and I doubt Aizen would pick someone who was weak. Any captain given vaizard powers should see a similar power increase as Ichigo when his hollow starts coming out.

3) Plot: The right hand man usually stays the right hand man. It's very unusual for him to be dropped to below a basic henchman position.

[sham16]

haha, whoever said Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin, gimme a break. He is clearly the weakest of the captains in combat ability not saying hes weak, but weakest of the captains). And Gin is better than all of the espada for crying out loud. Lemme ask you, do you think Hitsugaya can beat Ulquiorra ? :D
And also, he said that the privaron are better than the average captain...WTF? If a mere privaron can own a captain, why would Aizen bother building an army to attack Soul Society? Then the espada could rape lets say Komamura with one attack ?

Dude hitsu may be weak as of now considering the other captains but we still have yet to see other captains fight in full potential... I.e. Komomura and ichimaru gin... So I think its too early to call hitsu the weakest... But also consider that in due time he would be one of the strongest... An investment if you would like to cakk it,...

[Jay3205]

Oh? if you are matching a captain's strength by the time he joined then answer me please, If Ichigo joins now as a captain, would he be the B!tch of soul society? Gin is not close to byakuya in strength owing to that he joined close to him in time, no, niet, negative, that is not a measure.

also, Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin, if not than why did Gin use a lowly desperation move to counter Hitsu grabbing his arm? and please don't answer that by saying that Gin is low. instead the right answer is, HE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE DAMMIT!! he was caught by the arm and all that was thanks to the strength of Hitsu's Shikai in front of Gin's shikai, Hitsu Shikai>Gin Shikai, not by much but still stronger.I'm not saying a captain's strength is directly measured by strength, but it would be a good indication. The 3 oldest captains are the 3 strongest. Soi Fong, who has been a captain for at least a hundred years, is strong enough to keep up with/beat Yoruichi until you throw shunko into the equation (and also prevent Soi Fong from using bankai). Ichigo joining the captains now doesn't really count since he is the main character who makes large "jumps" in power and gets to uses secret training rooms/3-day bankai.

I doubt Hitsugaya is stronger than Gin. Gin could've shot the blade at Hinamori to quickly try to end the fight... not because he was put into a corner. After all, using cheap tactics doesn't mean you can't fight on your own. It means you're smart and know the easiest way to win.



This is even better, listen. When you compare the boiling points of two different liquids you heat them up and see when they start to evaporate but on one condition, THEY ARE PUT IN SIMILAR CONDITIONS, HEAT, ROOM TEMPERATURE, VIAL TYPE, ETC.. you don't go boiling a cup of vinegar in your lab while your assistant is at the north pole screaming "HALLELUJAH!! I HAVE MADE A GREAT DISCOVERY! WHEN YOU HEAT WATER, IT FREEZES!! IYAYAYAYAYAYAYA" and then he dies from frostbite, but that isn't our case..

you understand what I'm trying to say? I compare their "Boiling points" by putting them in the same "Vial" (Sub Boiling pt. with strength and vial with situation if you haven't realized my illustration), Ishida gets an antidote, Chad gets an antidote, its easy as that.This really isn't relevant since we're comparing who would win in a one-to-one fight. It isn't about who needs to survive due to plot reasons. This "boiling point" example is like saying Aizen can't kill Hitsugaya because if Hitsugaya comes close to dying, Unohana/Inoue will just come and heal him.

and I didn't say that Chad would wait, you obviously aren't reading my posts carefully, I said he would Charge in immediately after getting the bankai outta the way (let's not say oblierate, let's say throw away/tackle aside with his blasts/etc..) and then Blast mayuri in the head, at the finish line, he would fine an elegantly placed vial of 1983 Bordeaux antidote with a label on it "Courtsey Of CB, Chad Vs. Mayuri Virtual Battle thread (Insert heart here)".I realize what you are saying. Unfortunately, that's not a way to argue. Why don't we just have Renji fight Ichigo, but give Renji the perfect anti-Ichigo zanpakutou that allows him to win. It's pretty much admitting that Renji is screwed unless you give him outside help.

[Lust]

well chad cant win mayuri IF in the current anime but if in manga...mayuri ass are so pawn by chad's new power

[Momentum]

While in shikai, Mayuri MIGHT be able to pierce through and disable Chad's left arm which can give him a big disadvantage...

[T_Ichigo]

LoL Gin doesn't has vaizard power and probably he won't acheive them either.
The assuming that Gin has vaizardpowers is not appropiate on this debate.

[Jay3205]

Well, pretty much everyone assumes that Mayuri has no sword skills whatsoever, which is why bankai is used for the debate. If Mayuri does have sword skills, then a cut on a leg/torso would cause immense pain and limit his mobility, making him very easy to defeat.

[sweeter]

Hmm. This is actually hard.

Hm.


If Mayuri senses that he's going to lose, wouldn't he just use that self-liquifying technique? He probably thinks he's too valuable to die, honor be damned.

So I think it'll be a tie.

(:

[Bathala]

freaky mayuri can juz combine his shikai wit shunpo to paralyze chad's whole body so i think mayuri can win

[smach]

wow, i'm amazed at the fact that a mayuri/chad thread even reached 2 pages...

a simple explanation would be: arrows are deadlier than fists.

a kinda detailed one would be: ishida's arrows are deadlier than chad's fists.

you can try using your fists against someone who uses arrows but it's inevitable that you would lose.

[Lust]

hmm also....the posion can finnish chad off...since chad attack only work if he is near...meh mayuri cheap bankai own melee opponent

[smach]

yea but i got one question forya. what is this melee everyone keeps talking about? :o

[Momentum]

Melee... Chad's punches of course. We all know that hes got a few long range attacks too but they don't look that useful.

[Lust]

yea but i got one question forya. what is this melee everyone keeps talking about? :o

melee equal near range,that mean pretty near and like what shadow say

[sanguis]

Mayuri would win easily and he would use Chad's arm in some experiments too.

[smach]

Mayuri would win easily and he would use Chad's arm in some experiments too.lol what if he exploits chad's abilities and chad somehow gains hollow abilities on the rest of his body? :o

[Mougly]

That would be sexy...

[VinScythe]

We know from chad that he doesn't take his time in combat, nor that it lasts too long, he attempted to rush by captain Kyouraku.

We also know that Mayuri enjoys to toy with his victim, subdoing them in pain and torture, even when he decided to just make away with the Quincy of Ishida instead of capture he still prolonged with his ego to vanish him.

What's the bleach situation going to be?

Mayuri takes chad as a joke, just trying to evade his punches instead of drawing bankai. Chad suddenly outspeeds Mayuri and pummels him to the wall with his strong new fist powers(WHICH INFACT ARE STRONGER THAN ISHIDA'S ARROWS, I HAVEN'T SEEN AN ARROW COMPLETELY DEMOLISH A STONE WALL), that fist isn't a cut he can just pull out a shot to recover from, that fist will break his back, shatter somes limbs, it will dig a grave to him in the wall. Mayuri won't easily get out or draw either, however Chad will instantly punch the crap out of him till he is no threat anymore. No dealy gas will appear, no stabbing himself into a liquid, Mayuri's attitude will just expose him to that short of a defeat.

[Lust]

imoa,let see...i dont think so vin....let see he will release his poison first without doin anything yet like bankai or whatsoever

[Momentum]

Mayuri takes chad as a joke, just trying to evade his punches instead of drawing bankai. Chad suddenly outspeeds Mayuri and pummels him to the wall with his strong new fist powers(WHICH INFACT ARE STRONGER THAN ISHIDA'S ARROWS, I HAVEN'T SEEN AN ARROW COMPLETELY DEMOLISH A STONE WALL)

Arrows aren't suppose to wipe out things, they're only suppose to pierce. I've also never heard of Chad actually being "faster" than someone. All I know of what his right arm can do is increase his reaction time not his speed. These are totally different.

[smach]

that's coz Vin is using facts from the manga where chad actually has stronger powers. maybe he's right, maybe he isn't. either way i'm tired of chad/mayuri talk at the moment so i'll be back some other time...

[Jay3205]

So, basically Mayuri loses because he did not fight seriously?

There's no proof that Chad can indeed outspeed Mayuri. I haven't seen an arrow destroy a stone wall, but then again a normal arrow can't even pierce Mayuri's shikai. A stone-wall destroying blast can apparently not get past the hand of Shunsui.