Byakuya vs. Gaara

[Exodus]

The battle between sand and sakura petals begins.

Who will win in an actual match?

[Seilin]

I think this is pretty hard to decide, but I would say Kuchiki Byakuya because Lee has beaten Gaara because of his agility and I think Byakuya would be just as fast as Lee when he does Shunpo. Since both of them could block and also attack using either sand or cherry blossoms, I think Byakuya would be in advantage since he could shunpo and attack Gaara with either spells/swords/or more flower petals.

[hajinmon]

I think Gaara would win. He has the sand armor and he can transform into the sand racoon thing. Also, I haven't seen Byakuya standing on the blades, so Gaara could just attack from underneath. If they could move, Byakuya would definitely win.

[SHiKaMaRi]

Tough decision here. Mm, I'll go with Byakuya. Byakuya can move with Shunpo fast, and while controlling Senbonzakura, he can send out Kido spells. Once Byakuya releases his other form of Bankai, Gaara will be defeated. In my opinion, anyway.

[Decado]

lol, this would be my type of fight (my nick ^^)
my two fav char from each anime...

hmmm.... i would think Byakuya would win. Although they'd both go at it with their sand/blades - Byakuya can still move using Flash Step.
He would finish Gaara... sadly.
And if they can't move - Byakuya doesn't ahve petals...jhe has blades!!! they can cut through the sand no matter how much defence gaara puts....and byakuya can attack from any angle with each individual balde. if gaara attacks from every angle with each indiv sand particle...byakuya would be like wtf just hit me? a bug?

[hajinmon]

I think the poll said who would win if they stood still.

[chiking1]

Byakuya would win instantly, if he got to move. This is kinda how it would go:
1) Byakuya scatters senbon zakura, Gaara uses sand to attack
2) Byakuya uses petals to block sand
3) Byakuya uses senbon zakura kageyoshi. Shunpos behind Gaara, and kills Gaara with the petals
4) Gaara dies
Yea, and that's about it....

[Baby-Pie]

Byakuya would win instantly, if he got to move. This is kinda how it would go:
1) Byakuya scatters senbon zakura, Gaara uses sand to attack
2) Byakuya uses petals to block sand
3) Byakuya uses senbon zakura kageyoshi. Shunpos behind Gaara, and kills Gaara with the petals
4) Gaara dies
Yea, and that's about it....

hehehe dats a nice way of ending the battle....and i agree that eventually byakuya would win but didnt the poll say "in a battle of standing still"?? so if byakuya uses shunpo then he would be moving and thats not what their asking...anyway i agree with you byakuya would definately win...bcuz his attacks would be more powerful than gaara's ultimate defence it would cut through it...

[xHitsugaya]

I think Byakuya would win

[Cloudarc]

Hmm in a battle of standing still i would say Byakuya cause he can probably keep doing his bankai probably without limit while gaara relies on chakra and will eventually run out and then giving Byakuya the chance to take him down

[Miyata]

Byakuya's Bankai would act as a shield just like Gaara's shield is the sand and we all saw how Rock Lee ripped Gaara apart so Byakuya and his Shunpo would kick Gaara's behind gack to Konoha.

[Hattori]

First, off, Gaara got the crap beaten out of him by Lee, who's a human. Byakuya, as a Shinigami Captain, is like ten trillion times stronger and faster than Lee with his fifth gate opened. Byakuya would just rip Gaara's head off with his fingers or something - there's absolutely no need to get senbonzakura involved. This is an utter mismatch.

[Damier]

Byakuya's Senbonzakuya blades will have a size comparable to grains of sand. It's just that rather than looking all sand-like, light is reflected off of the blades and projects the illusion of cherry blossoms.
Without moving, Byakuya would win. Byakuya's reiatsu alone would be enough to be impervious to Gaara's attacks.
If it was a free-moving battle, Byakuya would finish Gaara off in one attack using that specialised shunpo technique to get behind him and ... kill him (I was going to say destroy his chain-link and soul-sleep, lolol).

[Bleach47]

It's a tie of course.

[AznPoi]

Like what if Gaara just use the sand beneath Byakuya and held him in place??? Then who would win?

The cherry blossoms petals are used just like Gaara's sand. It is both an offensive and defensive technique.

As for Byakuya's petals being blades and will cut through the sand is kinda absurb. I mean then people who throws kunai knifes (which are blades) would penetrate Gaara's def also.

I personally like to think that if Byakuya was held in place, Gaara would win by performing Sand Coffin.

[Decado]

However, wouldn't the Senbonzakara blades contain reiatsu? they would penetrate far deeper than a kunai just thrown...
tho i have to admit Byakuya would be helpless against a Saboku Sousou...^^

since Gaara can create sand from anywhere...if they were standing still byakuya would get sunk - literally - like kimamaro... damn.
lol, can't decide b/w my two fav char...but i want Byakuya to win!! :P

[Zenpou Tenshin]

i think byakuya would win, because.......................he's stronger.

[Undying]

Finally a more intersting match than "Ichigo VS Goku"...

Well, let's see: we assume that both are quite capable of seeing each other, Gaara still posses his Biju, and both stand in an are that grants neither the advantage, yes?

All right. Gaara should be able to block Senbonsakura's shikai attacks because there are too little blades and they are too weak to penetrate him. He will not be able to, however, land a hit on Byakuya since the latter is faster and also has a more strategic thinking, which would most likely allow him to escape any and all attacks by Gaara (unless he plays the arrogant noble, again). This match, on this level, should be very much of a stand still.

Against the bankai, however, I believe Gaara would release his Bijuu's final form (the sand racoon) and therfore pose more of a threat to Byakuya. If Byakuya (and I'm sure he will) notices that the sand racoon's weak spot lies in the sleeping Gaara on its head, I don't doubt that he will make short work of the Kazekage.

In short, Byakuya.

[Hattemaker]

I think Byakuya would win because he can use kidou (and he is one of my fav chars. ^^). binding kidou + Senbonsakura = Gaaras Death

If it is a battle without kidou, then I think Byakuya would win, because I think he is alot cooler :biggrinki

[Vlad]

Hmm...Interesting match up. I go with Gaara, blades too small, they won’t be able to penetrate his defenses, and also Gaara can get sand any where, changing entire field in to a desert. If Gaara turns in to Giant Raccoon with out unlishing a demon, no blade would be able to get to him wile he is under such huge layer of sand, even Boss Frog with his giant blade had a hard time cutting through him.

Hmm...It's hard to tell over all.
If Gaara can get Byakuya with his rain of sand and turning ground in to sand, Byakuya will be dead. Like Gaara said "I drug him 100 miters under ground and will continuously increase presser of the sand”, even Byakuya can't survive with out oxygen and under such huge presser.

If Byakuya can get Gaara off guard, with many of his blades, few I doubt will be able to penetrate Gaaras sand defenses.
Gaara would be dead, maybe, if Byakuya will get him with his blades.
Also people keep forgetting that Gaara is a ninja he can make copies of him self and do some other tricks.

[Z-man]

I say Byakuya.

Byakuya has a sword and thats cool secondly he has speed. BYakuya can dodge anything that Garaa throws at him.Last of all Byakuya is an Adult and can probably endure more than Garaa so that about it.

[Hattori]

Look, there's no way Gaara would be able to even penetrate Byakuya's reiatsu, let alone damage him. This match is totally rigged for Byakuya.

[Abe]

I think Gaara would win. He has crazy defense with that sand protecting him, but Byakuya is probably fast enough to get past the sand but Gaara can also transform into a bigger monster and he also has the big sand barrier.

[TheWaterBearer]

I really think Gaara would win this one.Because of the strong base defense and that destruction move Desert avalanche.Come on now with all that pressure on his body.Byakuya woulded have the ablity to cast his spells,bankai etc.

[stardust_eital]

I think that byakuya would win with his agile speed along with his teniques he could definetly beat gaara. remember the battle wherein lee almost beat gaara. if that battle was between byakuya and gaara, gaara will sink along with his sand. he couldn't possibly beat byakuya

[sakashii]

I guess from what I've heard Byakuya would win..
But I think it could be a tie...?
Though it is true that Gaara was (well not completely) beaten up by Lee.. and you can't even compare Lee with Byakuya...

[Rain]

I think Byakuya. Gaara's sand would not be able to catch up with flash steps.

[Jaran]

Okay. You guys are being completely absurd here.

1) Gaara is a human. Humans #1 can't see Shinigami.
2) If Gaara was somehow in Spirit Form, I doubt that he would be able to even stand against Byakuya, due to the immense amount of Spirit Pressure that Byakuya possesses.
3) Even if they were standing still, one Kidou from Byakuya would lay Gaara flat. He would just release his shikai and use that to block whatever sand attacks Gaara sent at him.
4) If it came down to it, Byakuya would release Senbonzakura Kageyoshi upon Gaara. There is no way that he would be able to stand against that. I'm sorry, but the odds are overwhelmingly in Byakuya's favor.

[Silhouette]

@Jaran: *sighs* ...

Ok, when these matches are set up, and a Shinigami is in it, ..you have to assume that their opponent can see them. These are "dream" matches.

Think of it as them fighting in another dimension, where anything goes.. Otherwise, you'd have to not use Shinigami in these match-ups..which would suck.. :whatevah:

[5000]

Now you know Byakuya can Kick Gaara but!

[Rokusaburo]

Most Definetly Byakuya. Years of experience, and he keeps his cool which is the most important thing of all. Gaara is just too crazy and mentaly unstable. + The fact that Kuchiki has Bankai and yea... Self Explanitory

[Hollow Ichigo!]

byakuya.....no questions asked.........

[animalistic]

now this is an interesting match up, byakuya would pwn gaara with his bankai, but when gaara transforms i think that its pretty much over.

[HollowZangetsu]

It would be a really interesting match up but obviously Byakuya would come out on top. He's fast so Gaara sand wall won't be able to keep up. Byakuya can give devistating blows but with a sword so penetrating Gaaras Sand armor is a sinch

[Ian Altano]

It would be a close fight, but Byakuya would win, because Rock Lee almost defeated Gaara using his agility... Byakuya is even faster, Gaara's sand is just too slow...

[animalistic]

everybody seems to be forgetting the demon inside gaara...

[Silhouette]

Not really. That isn't even a factor..

Know this. Any Bleach character would massacre any Naruto character. And DBZ character would massacre anyone from any other anime.. This is the undeniable truth.

[HollowZangetsu]

Not really. That isn't even a factor..
Know this. Any Bleach character would massacre any Naruto character. And DBZ character would massacre anyone from any other anime.. This is the undeniable truth.

You are so right. Lol. Well kind of. Minor characters who are normal humans from dbz wouldn't massacre anyone. Basically, saiyans would massacre anybody.

[Silhouette]

Eh.. I'm sure that Tien, Yamchaa, and Krillin can take on a few Bleach characters.. :whatevah:

[Yuki]

A similar battle to the one Ichigo vs Orochimaru... A ninja can't face a shinigami with a bankai, and Gaara is not as strong as Orochimaru. There's more difference of power between them here...

Shire, Senbonzakura!!! ^^

[CurlyQ1989]

This is definitely a really hard decision... Garra and Byakuya both own my soul... and they are both amazingly strong... Garra's got the whole sand barrier going for him, but Byakuya has the speed... hmm... good question. ^__^

[AznPoi]

Finally a more intersting match than "Ichigo VS Goku"...

I lawled at that cuz I made it to steal this section's virginity.

Anyways, I forgot about Gaara's inner demon. However, right out from the gates I think that Gaara would have an upperhand until bankai release. Then he either has to transform into his Demon to even stand a chance or go into his "Ultimate Ultimate" defense and encase himself inside a ball of sand, but then he can't really attack when he does that...

As much as I love Gaara over Byakuya, Byakuya wins this round.

[Nrvnqsr Chaos]

obviously, byakuya dude, shunpo, senbonzakura, it would be an interesting fight, but even if gaara used his demon, byakuya could keep swinging swords till it friggin dies, even if gaara uses sand armor, byakuya could cut through it.




p.s. can't byakuya do the same thing as sabaku sousou but with zakura?

[aki kyuu]

Byakuya-sama wins...

[Icestorm]

This is asuming that gaara can see byakuya.. I think byakuya hands down.. as sessou said .. his speed would win it for him in the end.. way way way too fast.. seeing as though hes much faster than Lee at top speed...

Shinigami > Ninja
DBZ > Shinigami
God > DBZ

lol

[shaoxiong]

byakuya of course!
he owns

[Reklaw X]

Meh, Byakuya wins this one for obvious reasons

[Kriceº]

byakuya..gaara...actually. byakuya wins.. of cos . bcos this is club bleach. most will vote for bleach . =x

[randomguy94]

byakuya wud own gaaras azz in many wayz...

1)gaara wudnt be able to hurt byakuya becoz gaara dnt have soul slayer(zanpakto) and byakuya cn only be hurt by soul slayer since he is shinigami so obviously byakuya pwn gaaras ass badly.

2)use binding spell,shunpo behind gaara and use senbon sakura to tear him to peices

3)own his azz till he goes into shukaku mode and use white imperial sword to tear shukaku apart along with gaara

4)use binding spell,shunpo behind gaara and slice his head of for finishing blow

loads more ways but cnt be azzed typin down

[urusai!]

Byakuya. Gaara is still a kid...

[Deathscyth Hell]

Bayakuya. Garra's sand armour may be strong, but Gaara is week against high speed attacks. And considering how fast Bayakuya himself is with flash step, adding to that his bankai with hundreds and thousends if not millions of tiny blades swarming all around Gaara, Gaara wouldn't be able to react. Even if the full sand racoon demon thing was released, Bayakuya would be just to fast for him.

It would be one hell of a fight though. Simularly, if Ichigo faced Gaara there would be no contest with his Bankai.

[silverwolf801]

Byakuya would win instantly, if he got to move. This is kinda how it would go:
1) Byakuya scatters senbon zakura, Gaara uses sand to attack
2) Byakuya uses petals to block sand
3) Byakuya uses senbon zakura kageyoshi. Shunpos behind Gaara, and kills Gaara with the petals
4) Gaara dies
Yea, and that's about it....
ask yourself this though would Byakuya actually waste his time using his shakai or even his bankai for that matter

[Buuhan1]

I'm sorry to disagree with most but, Gaara. He holds the ultimate defense after all. Byakuya's cherry blossoms wouldn't even pierce it.

[Planeswalker]

ask yourself this though would Byakuya actually waste his time using his shakai or even his bankai for that matter

Gaara's defense is quite strong...even a Bleach character would have trouble without a good force behind it. Id say Shikai to be safe.

Although for the sake of pwnage....

The ability to pierce objects its judged by speed, sharpness and sometimes (probably not in this case) heat. Byakuya's bankai releases millions of blades that move faster than anything the Naruto world could ever dream of. Did we all see how fast Ichigo had to move to avoid them? Even with Bankai he couldent dodge them so he had to cut them. These blades are far more than a match for Gaara's sand which Sasuke's pathetic Chidori pierced =/

Bankai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chidori

Byakuya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaara

[Kapura-nui]

Id have to Gaara, mostly because of the demon-thing and the sand armor, with his mother's spirit er sumthin >.>

[SLVR]

To similar. But byakukya has exp I assume so i think hed win

[Night Prowler]

Byakuya would do what he did when he first met Ichigo,

Shupo-Slice-Shunpo, and even with Gaara's defence thing I'd say he'd be able to penertrate it without going Shikai.

[MazdaRxEight]

Gaara of course... asuming that he forces the demon out of him... can squash byakuya

[Yachiru>.<]

Actually i think it will be a tie..

[laughingman]

Gaara blinds Byakuya, then win.

[Planeswalker]

Are you all retarded? I suggest you watch or read Ichigo vs Byakuya again. His speed is like one million times anything Naruto has to offer.

Gaara has the ultimate defence? Oh so thats why Sasuke's weak ass Chidori got through it?

By the new rules this thread isnt even allowed to exist. You should all read them since most of you are disobeying them with your spam & such.

[Fatalis]

but the knives are not the same thing as Byakuya's "petals". the petals are a lot thinner (invisible to the eye), and therefore would be able to penetrate sand without bigger problems. And also, with the enourmous speed that the petals have (being able to catch up with ichigo in bankai, when he directed them) it would very easily go through the sand and slice and dice gaara:winking56 . Even while standing, Byakuya would win :headbang

[Silhouette]

No Bankai needed. A simple Demon Art technique would end this.

This match-up has been debated to death.. Winner. Byakuya.

Now, for the love of god.. Let this thread die?!

[AznPoi]

but the knives are not the same thing as Byakuya's "petals". the petals are a lot thinner (invisible to the eye), and therefore would be able to penetrate sand without bigger problems. And also, with the enourmous speed that the petals have (being able to catch up with ichigo in bankai, when he directed them) it would very easily go through the sand and slice and dice gaara:winking56 . Even while standing, Byakuya would win :headbang

The petals aren't invisible to the eye. They're basically normal cherry blossom petals with reiatsu in them so they're hard/harder than metal.

[shaoxiong]

byakuya will sure win.
bankai.. shikai..

[Mavvy]

Bleach vs Naruto threads are allowed. Explained in Rules.

byakuya will sure win.
bankai.. shikai..

That comment is not acceptable.
Now that you've said that. Explain why the bankai and shikai would beat Gaara.

Ex. Gaara's absolute defense would be penetrated easily by Byakuya's Senbonzakura techniques. Sasuke's chidori was able to penetrate Gaara's absolute defense. Sasuke basically just ran as fast as he could and shoved his arm through Gaara's defense. But think about how fast Senbonzakura's petals rain down on it's opponents. So wouldn't you think the petals would be able to pierce through Gaara's defense? The petals can barely be seen when Byakuya releases shikai. That shows how fast the petals are attacking you.

lol. Went a little overboard with my example. It doesn't have to be as long as my response. I gave a reason but that reason created other ideas to help me strengthen my reasons.

So I hope that helps when you want to reply and give a vote to someone. Seeing "Bankai beat him/her. Game Over" is very repitive and spammy without any reasons as to why the bankai eats him/her.

Try to have fun but also try to give at least 1-2 reasons as to why you chose that character. Thank you. ^_^

[darkthief]

Just invent some sort of game containing Bleach vs Naruto in it and play it out. see who wins XD

On the other hand. It's just like that thread "Samurai or Ninjas" thread debate thingy.

byakyua would win because he is a shinigami. Living things can't see death gods! Making Gaara unable to see byakyua. <i'm just saying this for fun sakes>

Btw most people in this thread wants this topic to die...

[Silhouette]

Samurai vs Ninja is entirely different than Byakuya vs Gaara.

Byakuya vs Gaara is a massacre.
A samurai fighting a ninja, however, would depend on the environment, the skill of both warriors, and if it was an ambush or just a plain duel..

[lonewolf1666]

Byakuya all the way even though gaara has control over sand byakuya could kick his ass in one hit with bankai

[slave_car]

although i like Byakuya i think he would get pwned hard if not even killed... but u realy must consider the fact that either they fight in the real world and Byakuya is a bit weaker or they fight in Soul Society and Gaara is stronger...

[Planeswalker]

^^ You make no point...please explain to me exactly how Gaara can win?

In the real world Byakuya did his special Shunpo catching an already fast Ichigo off guard.

The petals in his bankai are not petals...they are millions and billions of tiny blades made from a special metal. Now Im no scientist but metal is stronger than sand. Not to mention that they can move infinitly faster than Gaara's sand, Byakuya can actually control where they go (unlike Gaara) AND that theres an infinite quantity of them. Byakuya stated that they have no limit in multiplying.

And if they fight in Soul Society where is Gaara going to get some sand? He will have nothing but whats left in his gourd which is no where near enough.

If your going to make statements back them up.

[_senbonzakura_]

byakuya would win hands down....
gaara could not take even singe hit from senbonzakura

[StoneTitan]

To state why Byakuya would win:

1)Garaa can't see him nor touch or for that sake hurt him.

2)The spirit pressure of a Captain should be enough to give Garaa breathing problems.

3)Byakuya is way faster then Garaa.

4)A Razor is more deadly then a grain of sand.

5)Byakuya got greater controle over his petals then Garaa got of his Sand.

6)Byakuya is a heck of a lot faster then Garaa.

7)Byakuya don't need to do the "chanting" to ki-doh, Garaa needs to do that for his...forgot what's it called^^'

8)A Zanpakuto ain't cutting your physical as the primory, but your soul.

9)Shikai & Bankai...XD the chance of this being used would be quite a suprise.

10)Oh did't i forget to mention that even if Garaa could live up to all of that would his "Reiatsu" even be enough to cut Byakuya??? or would it be more like him hurting himself:rolleye09

[slave_car]

first of all nobody knows how strong is Gaaras Reitsu... because its not the main thing in naruto ... but surely it cant be weak, he does have a demon inside him after all... and the thing about speed i think i read in some of the urlier posts that they should be standing still ( if not sry my bad , then Gaaras chanses are close to nothing) so no moveing means no Shunpo...
as for catching Ichigo off guard ... comeon man he was so much weaker then, it would be a surprise if he eaven saw him for a second...
like it or not thats what i think... :)

[Silhouette]

To state why Byakuya would win:
1)Garaa can't see him nor touch or for that sake hurt him.
2)The spirit pressure of a Captain should be enough to give Garaa breathing problems.
3)Byakuya is way faster then Garaa.
4)A Razor is more deadly then a grain of sand.
5)Byakuya got greater controle over his petals then Garaa got of his Sand.
6)Byakuya is a heck of a lot faster then Garaa.
7)Byakuya don't need to do the "chanting" to ki-doh, Garaa needs to do that for his...forgot what's it called^^'
8)A Zanpakuto ain't cutting your physical as the primory, but your soul.
9)Shikai & Bankai...XD the chance of this being used would be quite a suprise.
10)Oh did't i forget to mention that even if Garaa could live up to all of that would his "Reiatsu" even be enough to cut Byakuya??? or would it be more like him hurting himself:rolleye09

1, 2, 3, 6, & 8 don't apply here..

@slave_car: I'm sure his reiatsu is strong, but nowhere near as strong as Byakuya's. I'm sure that Byakuya is older than Gaara's demon, meaning that his power/reiatsu/experience/control > Gaara's demon..

And also, Ichigo wasn't that fast in the beginning. He was strong, but not that strong. And even if Byakuya's power was cut down, he is still far stronger than Gaara..

[Planeswalker]

first of all nobody knows how strong is Gaaras Reitsu... because its not the main thing in naruto ... but surely it cant be weak, he does have a demon inside him after all... and the thing about speed i think i read in some of the urlier posts that they should be standing still ( if not sry my bad , then Gaaras chanses are close to nothing) so no moveing means no Shunpo...
as for catching Ichigo off guard ... comeon man he was so much weaker then, it would be a surprise if he eaven saw him for a second...
like it or not thats what i think... :)

What? Did you just say that Gaara has reiatsu? Because your dead wrong. Reiatsu and Chakra are VERY different things. Reiatsu is spirit energy while chakra is body energy. No Naruto character has reiatsu because it is an invention of the Bleach universe.

As for speed...Byakuya was looking down at Renji from a building at least 400 meters high from ground level. In an instant he was behind Renji. This is at completely normal speed. HE wasnt even trying just like with Ichigo.

Gaara cannot move that fast and his defense was penetrated by Sasuke's chidori. Byakuya's defense easily protected him from Ichigo's bankai blast.

Who are you trying to kid? Gaara stands no chance in hell.

[slave_car]

I'm sure his reiatsu is strong, but nowhere near as strong as Byakuya's. I'm sure that Byakuya is older than Gaara's demon, meaning that his power/reiatsu/experience/control > Gaara's demon..

excuse me but how can u be so sure of this... u dont know how old the demon is so pls dont say things like that... and what does age have to do with this 90% of the characters in Bleach are older, much older, than Ichigo yet his Reitsu is many times grater than most... it depends on either talent (natural potential, Gods gift or whatever) or training... or both
and i think a demon has pretty good potential don't u?

.................

first of all i know the difference betwen Chakra and Reitsu... and by the way every soul has a Reitsu... as i recall nobody ever saied that gara doesnt have a soul so that means he has Reitsu the only thing is its not used in that world so it isnt measured or spoken of so u cant say that his Reitsu is weak or strong, not to mention that he hasn't got any, u can only speculate and as it seems to me the facts i layed out suggest that he has a reitsu and a not so weak one dont u agree? if not please explain...

[Silhouette]

Ok. Ichigo can also get sliced in half, and still live. He's the main character, he can do shit like that.

Byakuya beats Gaara, just accept it. Stop trying, j00 failed.

[Planeswalker]

first of all i know the difference betwen Chakra and Reitsu... and by the way every soul has a Reitsu... as i recall nobody ever saied that gara doesnt have a soul so that means he has Reitsu the only thing is its not used in that world so it isnt measured or spoken of so u cant say that his Reitsu is weak or strong, not to mention that he hasn't got any, u can only speculate and as it seems to me the facts i layed out suggest that he has a reitsu and a not so weak one dont u agree? if not please explain...

Can you prove that Gaara has reiatsu? I dont recall anybody ever saying that he has a soul. I dont recall any character in Naruto referring to the existence of souls at all. If not then you have no arguement. Give me an example of Gaara specifically referring to or using reiatsu otherwise your speculating far worse than I am. My arguement is simple. We havent seen him use it or any Naruto character refer to such a thing in any way so they dont have it. prove that he has reiatsu you will find that it is a hard task considering its an invention of the Bleach universe, just as Bleach characters dont have chakra the Naruto characters dont have reiatsu.

Do you know what reiatsu is used for? Its like power levels in Dragonball Z. It flattens people literally. It can be manifested into destructive attacks, like chakra but far more destructive. Kenpachi manifested a tiny bit of reiatsu and in an instant cut a 400m high and about 100m wide building diagnollay in half. In an instant...Byakuya's bankai releases millions and billions of tiny blades that can do similar things.

Your arguement is pathetic. Your arguement is basically saying "Well no character has said he doesnt have reiatsu so therefore he does" when in actuality that simply proves that it does not exist.

Prove me wrong noobie.

EDIT: A demon is no stronger than an oversized hollow. A Menos Grande could take Gaara's demon easily and captains of Soul Soceity can take those Menos Grande easily.

[slave_car]

the fact that they dont mention it doesnt mean it doesn exist it mearly indicates that they unaware of its existance... and why should the thing that no naruto character ever mention a soul exclude the posibility of its existance? im only takeing facts from our world... who has ever proven the existance or nonexistance of a soul .... and yet many ppl think it does exist and some denie it...

sry but i`ll finish this a nother time i have some things to do... bb

p.s. Sessou pls if u dissagree at least try and explain it... not just force it on to others...

[Silhouette]

Explain it? You're kidding. I've made...like..2 essays on the last page about my view on this topic. :whatevah:

{edit}Meh. Ok, so I didn't post 2 essay-like posts, but still.. I've explained it, and so has Planes, and not to mention..everyone else in this thread. Excluding the "OMFGWTF! BANKAI!" posters..

[San-chan]

Me-Byakuya My cuz-Byakuya My cuz's bro-Garaa No comment.

[Planeswalker]

the fact that they dont mention it doesnt mean it doesn exist it mearly indicates that they unaware of its existance... and why should the thing that no naruto character ever mention a soul exclude the posibility of its existance? im only takeing facts from our world... who has ever proven the existance or nonexistance of a soul .... and yet many ppl think it does exist and some denie it...


YOU MISS THE POINT!!! o_O

You say they are unaware of its existance but you dont prove that it actually exists in the Naruto universe at all. Screw th stuff about the soul. The existance of reiatsu has been proven in Bleach. Now prove it in Naruto or you have no case.

Gaara looses. Accept it.

Taking facts from our world? When have we ever used reiatsu? At the very least in Bleach its a fact that souls exist whereas in our world it questionable.

[slave_car]

kk i`ll acept... but i still think that some things go without saying... but np if u dony think my arguments are good its ok... although i think i made some pretty ok points... but it was nice argueing with u ppl... u should make another imba thread and i`ll wote for the weaker and we can debate some more... i realy need to have a polite fight with someone once in a while ty ppl :D

[Dark Zero]

well to be honest its a tie. gaara when he is kazekage is even with Byakuya jus because he is older and has more experience. note: Shukaku is the weakest of the tailed beasts so even with that when gaara was younger it won't help at all.

[Planeswalker]

^^ You should read posts

EDIT: A demon is no stronger than an oversized hollow. A Menos Grande could take Gaara's demon easily and captains of Soul Soceity can take those Menos Grande easily.

^^This includes everything from Shukaku to Kyuubi

[Kriceº]

obviously byakuya would win .. no more commments .

[Kenta]

byakuya wins. his reiatsu alone can blow away the sand and together with bankai, white emperor, and his arsenal of kidou spells mean an early exit for gaara.

[Shigure-san]

No-one is able to beat Byakuya!

[Silhouette]

... Again with the irrelevant comments? *glares at Shigure* *sighs*

[Psychostar]

This time I'm going with the shinigami. Gaara is very strong, using the sand to cover him and all that, but I don't remember whether he uses the sand to attack (like Crocodile in one piece). On the other hand, byakuya uses his senbonzakura to protect himself and also to attack.
Both abilities are awesome, but it looks like that Byakuya's one is more offensive.

Well, it's just my opinion.

[FatalShadows]

Theres only once thing i can say,obviuosly Kuchiki-Taicho would win Gaara does have skakaaku(how do u spell it?:D) but still i say kuchiki-taicho would just use bankai and bang,good bye Gaara!
sorry Gaara fans!
I am a 6th Division fan so of course i would vote on kuchiki-taicho!

[Achilles]

lol. hard choice.
but byakuya pwnes I think..

[Vaizard]

I must go with byakuya ..

[Hits-whata-ya??]

Can Gaara even see him?
Shunpo = pwnd roflmao ftw

[Que Sera Sera]

Shunpo to evade

Bankai to pwn

Byakuya wins. Yay!

[Seff vi Britannia]

Gaara - perfect defense...

Gaara would be more likely to win in all honesty... seonbonsakura couldn't penetrate Gaara's shield due to it's nature.. in fact, the only thing that penetrated Gaara's shield was the chidori, and that was pre-timeskip.

But because Byakuya is standing still and Gaara can attack from beneath him (thus bypassing SKY) then gaara wins.

[diamondedge]

Rock Lee successfully bypassed the sand due to his speed. I believe that Byakuya is WAY faster than Rock Lee. One quick slash in the right spot and there's no defense that would help. Byakuya is too fast to allow Gaara to build up his ultimate defense. Plus, he could blast him away with kidou any time he pleased, since Gaara doesn't move around at all. If something like n00blet Sasuke chirori can hurt Gaara through that so called "ultimate" defense, then I see no reason why even simple byakurai (that even Rukia can do, heh) couldn't blast the holy jesus out of him. After timeskip things would probably be little more interesting, but still not enough to turn the tables.

Bleach crew > Naruto crew so this thread fails, but Byakuya still wins.

[Seff vi Britannia]

BUt if they can't move, then Byakuya can't use his speed, or chidori. So he can't penetrate Gaara's perfect shield (the one he used on deidara, not the lee one.)

[Silhouette]

I'm going to strangle you ficking newbs. For each necro-thread I see, I'm slicing off a fuggin finger.

Byakuya wins obviously. Shikai is all it takes, if a simple Kido spell won't do it.

Bleach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto.

Those petals in Bya's Shikai aren't just blades, obviously, they're his reiatsu also. Byakuya's Reiatsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasuke's Chakra.

If you're going to argue against that, then don't even bother posting in this section.

*gets knife to start cutting off some fingers*

[Seff vi Britannia]

Senbonsakura isn't concentrate. if Byakuya could use WIS tthen it would penetrate the shield, but he can't.

i would say Chidori has more destructive power than SKY.

Chidori has made holes in peoples chests, SKY just causes scratches..

[99wattr89]

Byakuya wins with the greatest of ease. :|

Bleach Captains >>> Any Naruto Character.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Byakuya wins with the greatest of ease. :|
Bleach Captains >>> Any Naruto Character.

o rly.

Kyuubi.
Yamata no Orochi.
Hokou.

:)

[99wattr89]

o rly.
Kyuubi.
Yamata no Orochi.
Hokou.
:)
Ya. Rly.

Byakuya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto Characters.

And I'm not going to argue with you about whether Byakuya can take those people, this topic is Byakuya vs. Gaara.

[Seff vi Britannia]

They're not people.

And Byakuya is THE most overated Bleach character - bear in mind he's only really a low middle tier captain, ie, redundant in the current manga setting.

And those three would give Ichigo a run for his money xD

[Silhouette]

Yeah, no.

It doesn't scratch people, it dismembers them. Its a thousand blades, that's enough to slice someone enough to fit them in a matchbox. >.>

Its also not one blade slicing at a time, its all of them.. within an instant. Gaara's shield wouldn't last.

He'd also have to attack to win. You think any of Gaara's moves can hurt Byakuya, let alone kill him? Uh, no. Sand Coffin/Burial most likely wouldn't work, what with Reiatsu and Kido.

[Braveheart]

Kuchiki Buyakuya would win, no doubt about it.

[Mikado]

Since Gaara went level up, and is way more powerful now.. a sword can't cut sand.. so to bad. Gaara wins.

[XING]

ummm i think it is going to be gaara

[Silhouette]

You people post without reading, and it bugs me out. -_-"

I'm not even going to bother explaining something that should be common knowledge on a BLEACH forum. I'm not expecting fanboys/girls, I hate those, but come on.. Zanpakuto are NOT just swords...

[Guy]

This topic is weird. The title didn't say they are "standing", but yet, in the poll it does say they are standing still.

Anyways, for starters, it would be interesting to see if Gaara can even stand up to Byakuya's reiatsu. Byakuya's reiatsu>=Zaraki's reiatsu.

Number two: Bleach power gap>>>Naruto's power gap. Honestly, the only Naruto character I can think of that can stand a chance against some Bleach characters is Kyuubi.

Number three: Hakuteiken>>>Lee's taijutsu. Pretty much the only real reason why Lee lost was because he screwed himself by using a powerful move that ultimately causes self-destruction.

[zen]

I totally agree, bya is way to strong how could gaara even see byakuya, byakuya is way to fast with shunpo he is rediculous and assuming gaara can even look at byakuya without fainting from his reitsu anything gaara would do would be blocked easily, think about bya's bankai, the zanpaktou's would penetrate the sand bya would end it with ease. He probabaly wouldn't even need shikai.

[UryusPetBunny]

i'm not even gonna bother saying what I think about this......... people would just keep piling up on the argument.......... they both belong to their respective shows, they will never fight a real battle.......... so why waste time?

[Guy]

I totally agree, bya is way to strong how could gaara even see byakuya, byakuya is way to fast with shunpo he is rediculous and assuming gaara can even look at byakuya without fainting from his reitsu anything gaara would do would be blocked easily, think about bya's bankai, the zanpaktou's would penetrate the sand bya would end it with ease. He probabaly wouldn't even need shikai.

Uh-huh, good points, and to add on to my points, I can't believe I forgot an important point: Can Gaara even kill Byakuya? Ogichi's getsuga tenshou couldn't even kill Byakuya; instead Byakuya still had the endurance to call out hakuteiken. That means, for Gaara to kill Byakuya, he would need an attack power STRONGER than Ogichi's getsuga tenshou to pierce through Byakuya's defence. Gaara is not that strong.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Being squished by tons of sand would do the trick, methinks.

Byakuya needs WIS to break Gaara's shield, they are both standing still so he can't use it, therefore Gaara wins.

[Guy]

Being squished by tons of sand would do the trick, methinks.

Byakuya needs WIS to break Gaara's shield, they are both standing still so he can't use it, therefore Gaara wins.

What's WIS? And no, Gaara has NEVER shown us he is more powerful than Ogichi's getsuga tenshou. You are totally overrating Gaara, but that's not really your point. Your goal is just to severely underrate Byakuya. Byakuya's reitasu will force Gaara to the ground. Hakuteiken will shatter Gaara's defense (unless you wish to give me bull that Lee's taijutsu>hakuteiken) and wipe Gaara out.

[Seff vi Britannia]

White imperial sword..

And Lee never broke Gaara's globe shield... (the one he used on Deidara)

And Byakuya's Reiatsu is "meh". It managed to scare Ganju... Kenpachis forced Ganju to the ground.

And proove it would force him to ground. Because i say Gaara > Ganju. And it didn't force Ganju to the ground.

Pink candyfloss versus giant chunks of demon-reinforced sand.

I know who my money is on.

[Mikado]

Crossing universes = Bad.

[Guy]

White imperial sword..

And Lee never broke Gaara's globe shield... (the one he used on Deidara)

And Byakuya's Reiatsu is "meh". It managed to scare Ganju... Kenpachis forced Ganju to the ground.

And proove it would force him to ground. Because i say Gaara > Ganju. And it didn't force Ganju to the ground.

Pink candyfloss versus giant chunks of demon-reinforced sand.

I know who my money is on.

You pick only some of my points and argue back. It doesn't change the fact that Ganju did said Byakuya's reiatsu is greater than or equal to Zaraki's. Honestly, what more proof do you want? Ganju met both of them, and in all honesty, Zaraki had NO control over his reiatsu. That means his reiatsu is constantly leaking out at its peak. Byakuya keeps his reiatsu under control.

Byakuya's hakuteiken will crush Gaara's defense. Proof to me otherwise. Gaara has NOTHING he can kill Byakuya with, because Gaara does NOT have an attack that is stronger than Ogichi's getsuga tenshou (and make that WAY stronger, since Ogichi's getsuga tenshou didn't even brutally hurt Byakuya).

[Seff vi Britannia]

Remind me what Hakutaiken is?

And can i point out that if someone has 9999 hp, and i do 1 damage to them with each attack, they will eventually.

of course, Gaara does more than 1 damage and Byakuya dosen't have 9999 hp.

Explain to me how your precious will survive being crushed by several tonnes of sand?

Your point about Byakuya's reitsu is null. It didn't force Ganju to his knees. Are you suggesting Ganju could defeat Gaara in a fight?

[Guy]

Remind me what Hakutaiken is?

Hakuteiken is Byakuya's most powerful attack. It compresses ALL senkei sword into one and forces it into one powerful attack. Mind you, it is as powerful as Ichigo's full swing at that time, and if Ichigo's was stronger, than it wasn't much stronger, otherwise, Ichigo would've killed Byakuya.

And can i point out that if someone has 9999 hp, and i do 1 damage to them with each attack, they will eventually.

What's your point here?

of course, Gaara does more than 1 damage and Byakuya dosen't have 9999 hp.

Of course he does, if you bring Bleach into Naruto's world. Weren't you the one who said the power levels in Bleach and Naruto are totally different? Byakuya's defense is definitely high, surviving a Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou attack.

Explain to me how your precious will survive being crushed by several tonnes of sand?

My "precious" will survive because Gaara's "godly powerful sand attack" couldn't even kill Rock Lee, kthnx.

Your point about Byakuya's reitsu is null. It didn't force Ganju to his knees. Are you suggesting Ganju could defeat Gaara in a fight?

Ganju is way weaker than both Byakuya and Gaara. However, there is nothing to suggest that Gaara can stand up to reiatsu. I don't recall anyone in Naruto being completely breatheless because of other's chakra. On the other hand, in Bleach, Ganju had a hard time standing up in Byakuya's presence. And mind you, Ganju isn't that weak. He beated Yumichika, the fifth (but technically fourth seat) of the 11th division.

[diamondedge]

Look, bottom line is that Byakuya wins, no matter how you turn it.

Gaara's techniques are way to slow to scratch Byakuya and besides manipulating the sand, Gaara has nothing, while Byakuya has very wide range of skills.

Seff, drop it. We all know you are doing it just for the sake of pissing people off. Your "arguments" are so weak that it hurts my head.

[Guy]

Look, bottom line is that Byakuya wins, no matter how you turn it.
Gaara's techniques are way to slow to scratch Byakuya and besides manipulating the sand, Gaara has nothing, while Byakuya has very wide range of skills.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about Byakuya's kidou that raped Renji in his bankai form.

Seff, drop it. We all know you are doing it just for the sake of pissing people off. Your "arguments" are so weak that it hurts my head.

Lol, he even voted for Hitsugaya in the "Byakuya vs. Hitsugaya" thread.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Byakuya-sama wins with ease.For god sakes Gaara can't even fight,without the sand he is totally helpless.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Head hurting is my new tactic.

And hakuwhaty = WIS. He cant use WIs because theyre tsanding still.

and Gaara never hit Rock Lee with a full coffin.

Standing up to reiatsu is strength. Again, are you implying Ganju is stronger than Gaara?

And Diamothingy, "Gaaras techniques are too slow"

THEY ARE STANDING STILL, LOL. :<

If they could move then Byakuya obviously wins. But they can't. :3

Night night my mudkips.

[Guy]

Head hurting is my new tactic.

And hakuwhaty = WIS. He cant use WIs because theyre tsanding still.

And why can't he do that? Hakuteiken doesn't require shunpo. It just requires him to compress all the swords into one.

Standing up to reiatsu is strength. Again, are you implying Ganju is stronger than Gaara?

What makes you think Gaara can stand up to Byakuya's reiatsu?

Also, you forgot the fact that Byakuya has kidou; he raped Renji (a vc in his bankai mode) with just kidou. Plus, you failed to show me any proof about Gaara posessing a move stronger than Getsuga Tenshou. Byakuya survived a getsuga tenshou, how the hell can sand be stronger than getsuga tenshou? You seem to continually avoid this point.

Head hurting is my new tactic.

You have succeeded. My head hurts so much from your bullshit. Power levels in Bleach are totally different from Naruto. Gaara has NO moves that are more powerful than a getsuga tenshou (a move powerful enough to blow up mountains, apparently, as you argued in the Sesshoumaru vs. Ichigo thread). Saying otherwise is incredible bullshit that drags my IQ down.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Er, it's hardly controversial. Just because YOU might think Byakuya is "teh shit" it dosen't mean we all do.

(actually it is controversial because CB is populated by fanboys, but w/e)

Guy. He can't use WIS because it's a close range attack. And the fighters are standing still.

Gaara is stronger than Ganju, who stood up to Byakuya's reiatsu.

Simple math.

And your "power levels" thing, yeah, i agree with it. But when both fighters are standing still and one can't get past the others defense, the winner is obvious. If Goku stood still and let Naruto hurl rasengans at him forever, Naruto would win. Battle conditions here are favourable for Gaara.

[Vaizard]

Listen up , Byakuya's Senbonzakura would dazzle Gaara , he'd be like " What the hell are these flowers? , Why'd they appear all of a sudden ?? " , then before he knows it , he's all cut up

[Seff vi Britannia]

Senbonsakura just scratches people - it's the worst attack ever. It isn't deadly until it gets to anhiliationscape, lol.

On the other hand, Gaara's desert coffin has actually killed people. So if we want to get into that "destroying a mountain" thing, Guy, then i'll say desert coffin is stronger than senbonsakura kageyoshi. And in all honesty it is - it's a garunteed kill if it fully hits and the person under it dosen't have a bijuu that could blast it to bits.

So like, yeah.

[Jay3205]

The author of Naruto (Kishimoto) stated that nobody in Naruto is faster than a bullet fired from a gun. After watching the distances Byakuya travels, it is easily surmised that he is as fast as a bullet if not faster. Gaara could not react to slower-than-a-bullet Lee, so there is no way he can react to the speed of Byakuya or his bankai. There isn't really much arguing against that point since the author's statement pretty much concludes how fast Naruto ninjas are.

Some other points against Gaara is that his shield can apparently be pierced more easily than punched through. For instance, normal ninja spikes from an umbrella can pierce and stick into his shield... a forcefully thrown petal sword should do more damage.

Also, if Gaara has to be still, his attack options are limited to basically nothing (no jutsus). If the combatants can move, then Byakuya could just use the lightning spell and pierce the sand like Chidori did.

[99wattr89]

Senbonsakura just scratches people - it's the worst attack ever. It isn't deadly until it gets to anhiliationscape, lol.

On the other hand, Gaara's desert coffin has actually killed people. So if we want to get into that "destroying a mountain" thing, Guy, then i'll say desert coffin is stronger than senbonsakura kageyoshi. And in all honesty it is - it's a garunteed kill if it fully hits and the person under it dosen't have a bijuu that could blast it to bits.

So like, yeah.
You seem to think everyone who diagrees with you is a fanboy... -_-

You're a Gaara fanboy though.

Gaara cannot win. Senbonsakura would go through Gaara's sand like butter. It's only sand.

Senbonsakura could cut solid steel, it's all just reiatsu.

Gaara cannot win. You are trolling.

[Guy]

Er, it's hardly controversial. Just because YOU might think Byakuya is "teh shit" it dosen't mean we all do.

(actually it is controversial because CB is populated by fanboys, but w/e)

And just because YOU might think Gaara is "teh shit" doesn't mean we all do.

Guy. He can't use WIS because it's a close range attack. And the fighters are standing still.

Who says they're standing at a distance? And hakuteiken fires out reiatsu, overwhelming reiatsu that can match up with the reiatsu that is fired out from Ichigo's getsuga tenshou.

Gaara is stronger than Ganju, who stood up to Byakuya's reiatsu.

That may be true, but you really think Gaara wouldn't be affected by Byakuya's reiatsu at all?


And your "power levels" thing, yeah, i agree with it. But when both fighters are standing still and one can't get past the others defense, the winner is obvious. If Goku stood still and let Naruto hurl rasengans at him forever, Naruto would win. Battle conditions here are favourable for Gaara.

Oh come on, Goku is just gonna stand there and let Naruto kill me? I mean, is it even possible for Naruto to even "scratch" his skin?

Besides, Byakuya's kidou raped Renji in his bankai form. Why can't he use that? Kidou=long range.

On the other hand, Gaara's desert coffin has actually killed people. So if we want to get into that "destroying a mountain" thing, Guy, then i'll say desert coffin is stronger than senbonsakura kageyoshi. And in all honesty it is - it's a garunteed kill if it fully hits and the person under it dosen't have a bijuu that could blast it to bits.

WIS, yeah, it fires out reiatsu, and if you disagree otherwise, rewatch the Byakuya vs. Ichigo fight. Kidou can probably blast it all off... and frankly, it doesn't matter if the sand is stronger than SKY. An attack needs to be stronger than Getsuga Tenshou to be able to overwhelm Byakuya's defense.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Lal, i don't think Gaara is "teh shit", i think he's an emo.

Anyway, it seems i am outnumbered by idiots here -.-

You're assuming to much, Guy.

"An attack has to be stronger than Getsuga Tenshou to pierce Byakuya's defense"

Seriously, Ichigo could have killed Byakuya as soon as he went bankai with a mere slide of his sword across his neck. So Ichigo's sword is stronger than getsuga tenshou? =\

And how do you know it must be stronger than Getsuga Tenshou? Are you implying that Getsuga Tenshou is the WEAKEST attack that can possibly pierce his defense? So you're implying that Byakuya has better defense than the fourth espada, because Getsuga Tenshou forced Ulquiorra to go serious. (two hands is probably serious for Ulquiorra..)

.... i don't want to think about how you worked that one out....

99wattr, yes you're right, i am trolling, whatchoo gunna do about it biatch? exactamundo. So, here's some mudkips, off with you and let the grown-ups play. Go get some more posts or something, i dunno.

[Guy]

Lal, i don't think Gaara is "teh shit", i think he's an emo.

Anyway, it seems i am outnumbered by idiots here -.-

Or maybe we geniuses are being drag down by an insane person here...

You're assuming to much, Guy.

"An attack has to be stronger than Getsuga Tenshou to pierce Byakuya's defense"

Seriously, Ichigo could have killed Byakuya as soon as he went bankai with a mere slide of his sword across his neck. So Ichigo's sword is stronger than getsuga tenshou? =\

A head shot is always more dangerous than some cut to the shoulder. Honestly, it is! If that's not the case, then explain how come in Bleach, nobody aims for the head, and if they do, how come they always miss? Jay3205 will gladly explain this better to you if you need it, because he once owned me in a debate about that.

And how do you know it must be stronger than Getsuga Tenshou? Are you implying that Getsuga Tenshou is the WEAKEST attack that can possibly pierce his defense? So you're implying that Byakuya has better defense than the fourth espada, because Getsuga Tenshou forced Ulquiorra to go serious. (two hands is probably serious for Ulquiorra..)

Well, then, if Getsuga Tenshou couldn't kill Byakuya, then logically, you must use an attack stronger than getsuga tenshou to kill Byakuya. Also, Byakuya CAN survive an attack to the vital organs; Gin shot Shinsou at Byakuya's heart and he didn't die. Byakuya has incredible endurance.

Btw, you ignored my kidou point... AGAIN. And you should read Jay's post:

Some other points against Gaara is that his shield can apparently be pierced more easily than punched through. For instance, normal ninja spikes from an umbrella can pierce and stick into his shield... a forcefully thrown petal sword should do more damage.

Also, if Gaara has to be still, his attack options are limited to basically nothing (no jutsus). If the combatants can move, then Byakuya could just use the lightning spell and pierce the sand like Chidori did.

[diamondedge]

Just what has Byakuya vs Ichigo fight got to do with Byakuya vs Gaara? :rolleye09

And Byakuya standing still? Don't be a fool. Even the the thought of Byakuya simply getting consumed by the sand he can overrun with eyes closed and one leg tied is completely ridiculous.

[Guy]

Acceptance is the first step to a cure Guy! i'm proud of you ^___^;

Really? Well, I'm proud of you, because you finally admit you're the insane one here, because I clearly said "we" (referring to me, Jay, dia, etc.) are being dragged down by one insane person here.

Erm... i take it you're refering to the lightning strike? This is a bit vague, i'll assume you are. Well heres the thing. Ichigo got Byakuya straight off the dot, Byakuya had to wait for Ichigo's bones to break (and he had to use his second form bankai.) The point is, had either Ichigo or Byakuya gone for killing blows, Ichigo had the earlier oppurtunity. Therefore, any point you make about that lightning shot is completely void, because- Ichigo could have killed Byakuya FIRST. And you can't hurl lightning at somebody when you're dead - i'm sure i could debate this if you wished.

Ahem, I thought we were talking about the fact that they CAN'T move...? Anyways, even if they can move, Byakuya is way too fast for Gaara. Byakuya's kidou raped Renji, are you going to tell me Gaara's defense is greater than Renji's?

Do me a favour, list how many main characters have died in Bleach. Rukia and Chad don't count - we don't know if they are dead.

Of course, other than that, none. That's why there are no fatal headshots in Bleach.

Byakuya's heart is in his stomach? Meh. I always thought the heart was higher up than where he got hit. I guess the anatomy proportions are wierd in Bleach... KT needs to go back to biology class. in any case, he would have died if he hadn't been healed.. =\

That's only after he got seriously f'ed up by Ichigo's final clash. And mind you, Ichigo would've died as well if he wasn't healed.

Er, no... he got hit, what, three times and collapsed?
(Ogichi slash, Ogichi GT, Ichigo final attack)
Then one more, Shinsou, and he needed healing from the fourth. Lol. That is fucking 1337 endurance, seriously. Especially since the Getsuga Tenshou didn't get past his defence, as you pointed out earlier.

I know, fucking 1337 endurance! Considering an attack from Ogichi would wipe out captains like... Zaraki and Hitsugaya in one hit.

I'm not arguing against Jay. Or is your name Jay?

Jay is AGAINST you. The fact that you do not argue against Jay means that you have nothing to counter with?

[Tobi]

Byakuya would shunpo around Gaara then slash him a few times until death, he wouldn't need to use Senbonzkura Kageyoshi.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Really? Well, I'm proud of you, because you finally admit you're the insane one here, because I clearly said "we" (referring to me, Jay, dia, etc.) are being dragged down by one insane person here.

I see you understand sarcasm

Ahem, I thought we were talking about the fact that they CAN'T move...?

We are.


Byakuya's kidou raped Renji, are you going to tell me Gaara's defense is greater than Renji's?

Gaara has a perfect defense shield that Deidara couldn't blast through, Renji has... er, no defensive moves.

Of course, other than that, none. That's why there are no fatal headshots in Bleach.

Because it's a shounen. laaaaame :rolleyes

That's only after he got seriously f'ed up by Ichigo's final clash. And mind you, Ichigo would've died as well if he wasn't healed.

Er. No. Byakuya was in a far worse state than Ichigo. If you remember, Ichigo had strength to attack Aizen. Byakuya kinda..limped towards Rukia and got owned, again.

I know, fucking 1337 endurance! Considering an attack from Ogichi would wipe out captains like... Zaraki and Hitsugaya in one hit.

Proof please :)

Jay is AGAINST you. The fact that you do not argue against Jay means that you have nothing to counter with?

I'm arguing with you, not anybody else.




@ Wattr, You don't understand sarcasm either. Let me lay this down for you, nice and simple.

I am arguing that Gaara would win, because i believe he would. And while i have a certain... distaste for Guy, which i have no doubt is mutual, at least he is bothering to debate with me instead of going "YOURATROLLYOURATROLLYOURATROLLYOURATROLL"

If debating my opinion is trolling then so be it... not sure which forum you came from though. And too stupid to understand OUR arguments? Ha! you give me something that isn't incoherent bable with the word TROLL in it, and i might bother trying to understand it. And you say i should get a well-deserved banning, yet you called me "the most retarded person you have ever known". I think you need to read the forum rules again.

Well, i'm done with this thread. If the combatants move then Byakuya obviously rapes Gaara... and what we have otherwise is a standoff, because we're both sttuborn.

ciao all.

[Guy]

I see you understand sarcasm

Surprised, eh?

Gaara has a perfect defense shield that Deidara couldn't blast through, Renji has... er, no defensive moves.

I'd call a giant snake/dragon or w/e the hell Renji's bankai is a great defense. It's a huge... something, and it shouldn't be easily toyed down.

Because it's a shounen. laaaaame

Indeed.

Er. No. Byakuya was in a far worse state than Ichigo. If you remember, Ichigo had strength to attack Aizen. Byakuya kinda..limped towards Rukia and got owned, again.

Limped? What the **** were you watching? Byakuya shunpo'd from a distance to defend Rukai from a KILLING blow.

Proof please

Shikai Ichigo had the power to knock Zaraki out. Bankai Ichigo, even with his uber-charge attack, couldn't knock out Byakuya. Now, are you arguing that both Zaraki and Hitsugaya can survivie a getsuga tenshou? If so, no sane person who watches Bleach will agree with you.

I'm arguing with you, not anybody else.

Oh, and why's that?

[L]

Any further flaming/name calling in this thread will result in a warning. Drop it or take it to PM (although, be careful of what you say there). Thanks =)

[Guy]

mmmm gaara

I'm not a mod, but I seem to see you posting short posts in A LOT of places. Please note that this is not allowed and is considered spam.

[Jay3205]

I still think Byakuya would win. If Gaara did manage to hit him, that would end it, but Byakuya's speed > bullet speed > Lee speed > Gaara's sand's speed. Lee without weights could've killed Gaara if he had a sword to stab him with instead of just punches. I don't see why Byakuya couldn't do the same. If not, Byakuya could just binding kidou Gaara and eliminate all his more deadly hand-movement-requiring jutsu. Any Bleach captain could take out any non-demon Naruto character on the basis of speed alone.