Itachi vs. Aizen

[Miyata]

Since these characters are some of the strongest in theier relevant anime, who'd you think would win in a fight.

I'm going to put my money on Aizen 'cos afterall, he did stop Ichigo's Bankai with one finger, and that was the same Bankai that defeated Byakuya, but this is just a gut feeling because we haven't seen these two really fight yet so, who do you think would win?

[Hattori]

Um, Aizen. He'd just use his Bankai and totally obliterate Itachi.

[Undying]

Umm. Aizen, like, duh?>

[Kabane]

Aizen, its useless to argue.

[Miyata]

I see we have a pretty unanymous (sorry about the spelling) decision, but could you please state why you think that Aizen would obliterate Itachi, and why it isn't the other way round.

[Iro]

I can't say... I haven't seen Aizen's true power but I'm expecting that he'd be a very hard boss to deal with but as for Itachi he can probably trap Aizen under his mangekyou and slowly kill him but that would depend upon the situation. Im in favor of Aizen, he is unpredictable and has many surpises in store for his battles. So aizen it is...

[Night Prowler]

Aizen would pretty much pwn the hell out of Itachi, don't think the kid would get a chance to blink before Aizen decapitates him.

[Zenpou Tenshin]

I think itachi wold win because he's insane and can copy any move.

[Cloudarc]

hard to say i would think that aizen would win he seem so physically powerful and insanly fast and the both uses techinques that deal with messing with the mind and if things get bad aizen would use his bankai and we dont even know what that does and it could mean the difference of him losing or winning

[Hattori]

Perfect Hypnosis. Itachi kills himself.

[Undying]

Kyouka Suigetsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharingan. That's why.

[sniperz]

Perfect Hypnosis. Itachi kills himself.


tis the best answer so far.

[vejitto3]

aizen is definetely the looker between the two which is an automatic plus

[SHiKaMaRi]

Aizen.. more experience... Zanpaktou = Shikai + Bankai...
Itachi only has his sharingan and a few jutsu's.. Itachi = Dead.

[Kriceº]

before using the jutsu . aizen might haf killed him alrdy . besides .. the character of itachi always thinks hes the best , he might just let him use his bankai before using his jutsu ? hahas.. stupid itachi xPp.

[bleach_exile]

i say they both cant kill each other since aizen has a weird bankai and itachi has the strong sharigan
i say its a tie

[Lust]

maybe aizen win....cause i think he is fast..before itachi use his eye, aizen slash him and end of story

[Ryukuu]

From what i've seen, Itachi has his Sharingan up almost all the time. If he were to switch to mangekyu as soon as he realized he was in a battle with Aizen then it would be a good match. You are all forgetting, aizen's hypnosis doesnt work if you havent seen the ritual.

i would expect aizen, as overconfident as he is, to look itachi in the eyes and try to slowly explain how he would pwn itachi etc, and BAM. he's affected by mangekyu...

from what i've seen i'd put my money on itachi. i can't go with aizen coz there's not any real info on his combat skills other than insanely huge reiatsu (hard enough to stop a bankai with a finger), hypnosis based hand-to-hand and very strong kidou. he'd still look him in the eyes and be screwed

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Couldn't Aizen just force Itachi into an immobile state with his reiatsu? If ******* can't stand up to it, then I doubt an extremely powerful ninja can. He'd be at the traitor captain's mercy after that.

[Jay3205]

I think Itachi would win. All he has to do is use his genjutsu on Aizen, and there's really nothing Aizen can do to counter it. Since Aizen wouldn't know about Itachi's genjutsu and wouldn't have already hypnotized Itachi, he would at least look at Itachi before attacking, which is all that Itachi needs.

If they start off in any type of normal face off, Itachi could use genjutsu immediately through eye contact. After that, he can use that fire attack that's hotter than the sun to defeat Aizen's body. Aizen wouldn't be able to avoid it because he wouldn't know to shunpo/not look right from the start of the fight. He'd probably sense that Itachi is much weaker ("chakra"/"reiatsu" wise at least) and wouldn't immediately obliterate him... just like he didn't immediately obliterate Renji.

[Kalashnikov]

I dont know - i have to go with Itachi on this one. What's going to stop Itachi copying all of Aizen's techniques? including his Bankai?

[ToT]

The power of the bleach characters is way better than the power of those on Naruto.
For example they move around way faster (e.g When sasuke runs down the wall with chidori, well Ichigo would of just used shunpoo[dunno how you spell it] he would of killed gaara in 2 tics)

[Kalashnikov]

you cant really say that though - remember the speed that rock lee was moving at?

[ToT]

Hey is the only one able to move at that speed, well rare are those able to do like him, but he risks his life every time he uses that technique, whereas ichigo moves as fast with his bankai

[Kalashnikov]

the thing is - Sasuke was moving at Rock Lee's speed
and Itachi pwns Sasuke - Itachi shouldnt be underestimated because he does have the speed. Also - he can hypnotise Aizen, all he would have to do is look into his eyes =/

[bleach_exile]

maybe aizen win....cause i think he is fast..before itachi use his eye, aizen slash him and end of story

how can u say dat
dont u no dat ninjas can use clones and replacements technique
:eek13:

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

All the guys at Narutoforums said that Bleach characters will win 90% of the time against Naruto characters. They also agreed that there's no one who can take on Aizen in the Narutoverse. According to them, Bleach is on another power level than Naruto and One Piece is on a higher level than Bleach. I will agree with this assessment since even their most respected and best vs thread debaters think this is true.

[Momentum]

how can u say dat
dont u no dat ninjas can use clones and replacements technique

Oh and don't you know Aizen can hypnotize you and stab you at the back before you know it? Like Aizen said about his Kyoukasuigetsu "Even you realize you're under it, its impossible to escape it". Lets see Itachi "counter it" oh wait a minute thats not a genjutsu therefore Itachi can't counter it ;p

If Itachi uses his eyes too much he'll be like what?? SCREWED, he can't keep using his eyes against Aizen... Aizen knows heaps and heaps of kidou enough to beat Itachi... he could basically do the stuff that he did to Komamura, use his Kyoukasuigetsu and do Destructive Art 90: Black Coffin and full power... GG Itachi ;p

OMG lets see if Itachi can copy bankai... No, wait he can't Itachi doesn't use Reiatsu, he uses Chakra which are both different... ;p

[Akiia]

Lol, both of them can use hypnotic techniques but i state that Aizen definatly wins this due to the manga and him being The 2nd strongest Shinigami alive and leader of Hueco Mundo.

Ah and, nice reasoning .. i like the bit when u said itachi dont use reiatsu he uses chakra! :D

- Akiia

[Hunni3]

i think itachi culd have a chance of winning since his sharingan can see through any jutsu including genjutsu which is equal to total hypnosis no?

[Momentum]

i think itachi culd have a chance of winning since his sharingan can see through any jutsu including genjutsu which is equal to total hypnosis no?

I'll quote my own message... ;p

Oh and don't you know Aizen can hypnotize you and stab you at the back before you know it? Like Aizen said about his Kyoukasuigetsu "Even you realize you're under it, its impossible to escape it". Lets see Itachi "counter it" oh wait a minute thats not a genjutsu therefore Itachi can't counter it ;p

Like already said the hypnosis that Aizen uses aren't genjutsu... Genjutsu is a chakra based technique, Aizen and all other shinigami use REIATSU... Don't tell me that Shinigami can use chakra...

[HGFoMT]

I believe Aizen would win because if he could stop Ichigo(I believe he was in Bankai form) with one finger, he could definately beat Itachi, because we all know Ichigo is really strong. Plus I think Aizen is really fast too. I think we need a little more info on the characters though.

[Momentum]

I believe Aizen would win because if he could stop Ichigo(I believe he was in Bankai form) with one finger, he could definately beat Itachi, because we all know Ichigo is really strong. Plus I think Aizen is really fast too. I think we need a little more info on the characters though.

Hmm, more information would be really great but I think the information we have right now is sufficient...

[Lust]

...actually this thread sim ilar to the thread ichigo vs aizen...refer to it....aizen will win

[XV Barixn]

OMG lets see if Itachi can copy bankai... No, wait he can't Itachi doesn't use Reiatsu, he uses Chakra which are both different... ;p

I don't think the sharigan can copy shikai/bankai, since it requires the person's zanpakuto.

[Momentum]

I don't think the sharigan can copy shikai/bankai, since it requires the person's zanpakuto.

EXACTLY... And also shikai or bankai requires REIATSU which Naruto characters don't use or have... So no Itachi can't...

[Lust]

Zaraki Kenpachi using a tiny tiny portion of his reiatsu split a building around 200m high diagnoally in half in an instant. Remember this is using a tiny tiny tiny portion. Now he faced Ichigo in shikai at full power and Ichigo won but aizen can easily stop it. When has Itachi demonstrated that he could deal with such power?

On speed. Byakuya shunpo'd 200m behind Renji in an instant. This is his very basic speed. In the fight against Ichigo he was forced to move much faster and when ichigo dash toward aizen,aizen easily see the attack and counter it. When has Itachi demonstrated that he can keep up with this level of speed?

the idea credit to plane since its was his idea

[StoneTitan]

If Aizen were hit by that M_Sharingan he would likely be curious to what it might be able to do.
Itachi might end up in a room like Orihime

eventually Time would give Aizen the victory, if its under a sec or 100 years only time could tell.

[Jay3205]

I don't see why Aizen's speed comes into play so much here. All Itachi would have to do is look at Aizen, and Aizen would be caught in a disabling genjutsu. Itachi has little "reiatsu" and no zanpakutou, so Aizen wouldn't take him as a threat. He'd have no idea that he'd need to not look at Itachi and immediately shunpo out of sight. He would at least look at Itachi, which means he's already caught in the genjutsu. Itachi doesn't need to copy his bankai/shikai or even use his more advanced techniques.

It's true that Aizen "could" shunpo behind Itachi and attack immediately, but his personality is not the type to do that. He will most certainly at least look at Itachi. There's no doubt that Aizen could win in power vs power fight, but this most likely won't come down to that kind of fight.

[Momentum]

I don't see why Aizen's speed comes into play so much here. All Itachi would have to do is look at Aizen, and Aizen would be caught in a disabling genjutsu. Itachi has little "reiatsu" and no zanpakutou, so Aizen wouldn't take him as a threat. He'd have no idea that he'd need to not look at Itachi and immediately shunpo out of sight. He would at least look at Itachi, which means he's already caught in the genjutsu. Itachi doesn't need to copy his bankai/shikai or even use his more advanced techniques.

Itachi and none of the Naruto characters have no reiatsu. Like already said reiatsu and chakra are different. Aizen is like what? the main villain in Bleach, he won't be defeated by Itachi using mangekyou sharingan. Itachi also has a handicap, he can't keep using his eyes because he'll be really screwed... Why do you think Kisame kept reminding him not to use his eyes a lot?

It's true that Aizen "could" shunpo behind Itachi and attack immediately, but his personality is not the type to do that. He will most certainly at least look at Itachi. There's no doubt that Aizen could win in power vs power fight, but this most likely won't come down to that kind of fight.

Again Itachi still has that handicap... Once hes used his mangekyou sharingan hes going to have to wait a while for him to use it again (and Aizen once again won't be defeated by that). By the time Itachi gets to the point where he can use his sharingan again, Aizen would of defeated him... think about it...

[XV Barixn]

EXACTLY... And also shikai or bankai requires REIATSU which Naruto characters don't use or have... So no Itachi can't...

Oh shit, I didn't even realize you were sarcastic the previous time x_x

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Couldn't Amaterasu damage Aizen? It might not be able to kill him, but I think it has the potential to do some serious damage. Jay is right as well. Aizen is going to get caught up in Itachi's illusions if he just looks at him. The lack of reiatsu might actually be an advantage for him.

[Jay3205]

Itachi and none of the Naruto characters have no reiatsu. Like already said reiatsu and chakra are different. Aizen is like what? the main villain in Bleach, he won't be defeated by Itachi using mangekyou sharingan. Itachi also has a handicap, he can't keep using his eyes because he'll be really screwed... Why do you think Kisame kept reminding him not to use his eyes a lot?
I don't see what difference it makes between having reiatsu and chakra. They are practically the same thing... ability to do superhuman feats. You say Aizen won't be beat by Mangekyou Sharingan, but why not? There's nothing Aizen would know to do to avoid it, and his power wouldn't matter once he's caught by it.

Again Itachi still has that handicap... Once hes used his mangekyou sharingan hes going to have to wait a while for him to use it again (and Aizen once again won't be defeated by that). By the time Itachi gets to the point where he can use his sharingan again, Aizen would of defeated him... think about it...
Itachi's handicap isn't very applicable to this fight. In Naruto world, he always has to worry about teams of ninja to fight against, which is why he needs to be cautious with it. In this fight, he really only needs to use mangekyou sharingan twice. One time for the genjutsu to disable Aizen, then one time to use the fire technique to finish him off. Despite what limit he does have, he can use these techniques in succession. Kakashi can use his mangekyou sharingan twice in relatively short time, so Itachi definitely can do it since he has a natural sharingan and is more skilled than Kakashi. He may be exhausted afterwards, but it won't matter since his opponent will be dead.

[Momentum]

Couldn't Amaterasu damage Aizen? It might not be able to kill him, but I think it has the potential to do some serious damage. Jay is right as well. Aizen is going to get caught up in Itachi's illusions if he just looks at him. The lack of reiatsu might actually be an advantage for him.

If Aizen also released Destructive Art 90: Black Coffin with full power it could also do serious damage. Look at what it did to Komamura with only a third of its power released...

I don't see what difference it makes between having reiatsu and chakra. They are practically the same thing... ability to do superhuman feats. You say Aizen won't be beat by Mangekyou Sharingan, but why not? There's nothing Aizen would know to do to avoid it, and his power wouldn't matter once he's caught by it.

No, they are NOT the same.

One is physical energy(used by the living), the other is spiritual(used by the dead).

And the amount of the they last depends on the amount the user has. I've never heard of Reiatsu being drained quickly. Chakra is used up faster by what I've seen of the two shows.

Source from Reiatsu vs. Chakra thread...

Itachi's handicap isn't very applicable to this fight. In Naruto world, he always has to worry about teams of ninja to fight against, which is why he needs to be cautious with it. In this fight, he really only needs to use mangekyou sharingan twice. One time for the genjutsu to disable Aizen, then one time to use the fire technique to finish him off. Despite what limit he does have, he can use these techniques in succession. Kakashi can use his mangekyou sharingan twice in relatively short time, so Itachi definitely can do it since he has a natural sharingan and is more skilled than Kakashi. He may be exhausted afterwards, but it won't matter since his opponent will be dead.

I don't think Itachi will use it at the start of the match... its like using bankai at the start of the match... and I don't even think that he'll even get the chance to use it... So what you see someone walking towards you, threatening you and 'Tsukiyomi.' Look at Aizen he wasted three captain leveled shinigami like they were nothing... hes that powerful. So once again Itachi might not even get the chance to use it...

*EDIT* If Itachi damages Aizen really bad, Aizen still has bankai god help us if he uses it...

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Itachi is no fool though. I have no doubt that he'll realize right off the bat that Aizen is the most dangerous person he's ever faced. Taking this into account, it'd be logical if he tried to take him out as soon as possible. Black Coffin is very powerful, but even that pales in comparison to an attack that burns hotter than the sun. Heat of that level should be able to vaporize anything it comes into contact with.

[Silhouette]

Why is this thread even here? Ok, I'm not going to bother reading through all this, so forgive me if I repost something.

Bleach > Naruto. Especially one of the most powerful captains.

Sharingan doesn't copy the jutsu, it copies the hand signs to perform the jutsu, thus allowing the user to perform the jutsu as well - using the proper hand signs.

I don't know why people are under the impression that Aizen can hypnotize people by simply breathing. That isn't how it works at all. Its a Shikai technique, and it has to be released. Then, the victim has to view it. I don't believe its instant either.

It won't be a simple:
Itachi sees Aizen, and throws several kunai at him. Aizen "dies". Itachi is sliced in half moments later.
Aizen: ZOMFGWTF! I hypnotized you into thinking that I was standing there!!!!1112

Stop being stupid. People don't think when they use Bleach characters. Aizen doesn't hypnotize insects to squash them. He won't even need to unsheath his sword most likely. Itachi is top shit in Naruto, but against one of the "elder captains", he's nothing.

Win goes to Aizen. And for the love of all things logical... STOP MAKING THIS THREAD! This is the 5th Aizen vs Itachi thread I've seen. JUST STOP!

[Jay3205]

I guess it comes down to who decides to do what first. If Aizen decides to end the match before Itachi decides to use tsukuyomi, then Aizen wins. If Itachi uses sharingan first, then he'd win. Either way, the match would end in 1-2 moves.

[Silhouette]

Um. You do know that Aizen stopped Ichigo's sword with his finger, right? Ichigo and Renji weren't being hypnotized. So that was real stuff there. I doubt Itachi could deal with that.

[Kalashnikov]

Why is this thread even here? Ok, I'm not going to bother reading through all this, so forgive me if I repost something.

Bleach > Naruto. Especially one of the most powerful captains.

Sharingan doesn't copy the jutsu, it copies the hand signs to perform the jutsu, thus allowing the user to perform the jutsu as well - using the proper hand signs.

I don't know why people are under the impression that Aizen can hypnotize people by simply breathing. That isn't how it works at all. Its a Shikai technique, and it has to be released. Then, the victim has to view it. I don't believe its instant either.

It won't be a simple:
Itachi sees Aizen, and throws several kunai at him. Aizen "dies". Itachi is sliced in half moments later.
Aizen: ZOMFGWTF! I hypnotized you into thinking that I was standing there!!!!1112

Stop being stupid. People don't think when they use Bleach characters. Aizen doesn't hypnotize insects to squash them. He won't even need to unsheath his sword most likely. Itachi is top shit in Naruto, but against one of the "elder captains", he's nothing.

Win goes to Aizen. And for the love of all things logical... STOP MAKING THIS THREAD! This is the 5th Aizen vs Itachi thread I've seen. JUST STOP!


ok Tasogare - you have ended this thread -
everything you said there makes sense. If anyone else tries to go against it.....good luck....

[StoneTitan]

If Aizen also released Destructive Art 90: Black Coffin with full power it could also do serious damage. Look at what it did to Komamura with only a third of its power released...




Correct but you might actually be underestemating this skill... the 90's are know as "Eternal Destruction arts" and this is the soul we are talking about.

[Jay3205]

It won't be a simple:
Itachi sees Aizen, and throws several kunai at him. Aizen "dies". Itachi is sliced in half moments later.
Aizen: ZOMFGWTF! I hypnotized you into thinking that I was standing there!!!!1112

Stop being stupid. People don't think when they use Bleach characters. Aizen doesn't hypnotize insects to squash them. He won't even need to unsheath his sword most likely. Itachi is top shit in Naruto, but against one of the "elder captains", he's nothing.
I don't doubt that in a *fist/sword fight* Itachi would be owned, but I don't see Aizen avoiding tsukuyomi without sometype of fore-warning about what Itachi can do and how to avoid it. However strong Aizen is doesn't really matter if he's caught by tsukuyomi.

[Neku]

Tbh theres not really enough info on Aizen yet to really know, also really we havent seen Itachis full powers yet neither, still aizen would probably win but...

Edit f accidently clicked on vote itachi insted of aizen lawl...

[Momentum]

Correct but you might actually be underestemating this skill... the 90's are know as "Eternal Destruction arts" and this is the soul we are talking about.

No where near underestimating that... in fact I don't even know what you're talking about...

I don't doubt that in a *fist/sword fight* Itachi would be owned, but I don't see Aizen avoiding tsukuyomi without sometype of fore-warning about what Itachi can do and how to avoid it. However strong Aizen is doesn't really matter if he's caught by tsukuyomi.

Tsukuyomi requires a massive amount of chakra so I don't think he'll be able to use Amaterasu because it also requires a massive amount of chakra which will make Itachi vulnerable after using Tsukuyomi... so Itachi loses...

[Jay3205]

Tsukuyomi requires a massive amount of chakra so I don't think he'll be able to use Amaterasu because it also requires a massive amount of chakra which will make Itachi vulnerable after using Tsukuyomi... so Itachi loses...
Actually, he has already been shown to use tsukuyomi and amaterasu in quick succession. He used tsukuyomi on Sasuke, then amaterasu not even a few minutes after to escape (not enough time to regain any chakra). Either way, Aizen would be finished for all intents and purposes after tsukuyomi by itself. So... Aizen loses.

[Momentum]

Actually, he has already been shown to use tsukuyomi and amaterasu in quick succession. He used tsukuyomi on Sasuke, then amaterasu not even a few minutes after to escape (not enough time to regain any chakra). Either way, Aizen would be finished for all intents and purposes after tsukuyomi by itself. So... Aizen loses.

Once again Itachi WON'T be able to use tsukuyomi. Hes the main villain of Bleach and hes that dam powerful. Once the match starts, Aizen takes his zanpakutou out then Itachi will be trapped within Aizen's complete hypnosis (and this isn't bankai either...) Unlike Itachi it took him a while for him to use Tsukuyomi on Kakashi after all that fighting while Aizen on the other hand dodged Komamura's attacks after a few times then wasted him when he surprisingly showed up... See how Itachi toyed with Kakashi for a bit while Aizen wasted Hitsugaya, Ichigo and Komamura as soon as they tried to attack him...

[Jay3205]

Once again Itachi WON'T be able to use tsukuyomi. Hes the main villain of Bleach and hes that dam powerful. Once the match starts, Aizen takes his zanpakutou out then Itachi will be trapped within Aizen's complete hypnosis (and this isn't bankai either...) Unlike Itachi it took him a while for him to use Tsukuyomi on Kakashi after all that fighting while Aizen on the other hand dodged Komamura's attacks after a few times then wasted him when he surprisingly showed up... See how Itachi toyed with Kakashi for a bit while Aizen wasted Hitsugaya, Ichigo and Komamura as soon as they tried to attack him...
Wait, Aizen takes out his zanpakutou and puts Itachi under hypnosis. Is this before or after he looks at Itachi...

Once again Aizen WON'T be able to release shikai. Once the match starts, Itachi looks at Aizen and Aizen looks at Itachi, thus becoming trapped in the world of tsukuyomi (this is without using amaterasu either....).

If you believe Aizen will release shikai before even looking at Itachi, then it I guess it's reasonable for you to believe a random person would carry anti-bankai antidote to a fight with Mayuri despite not knowing anything about Mayuri's zanpakutou.

In a fight, looking at the opponent comes before drawing your weapon, in which case Itachi can already cast his genjutsu BEFORE Aizen draws his weapon. You keep saying Aizen will use hypnosis, but in reality Aizen would not get the chance to use it since he is the one who will be caught first... since SIGHT comes before FIGHTING.

For your next point... Aizen only counterattacked AFTER Hitsugaya and Ichigo attacked him. Of course it makes sense to counterattack someone that is attacking him... Itachi never lets anybody successfully attack him either. Your point doesn't really show anything... it is just common sense. You say Itachi only used tsukuyomi after fighting Kakashi for a while, but this does not mean he could not use it immediately like he did against Sasuke. By the same token, Aizen only attacked Renji AFTER politely asking him to put down Rukia when he could've just as easily killed him right there.

Next, Aizen's power doesn't matter if he's caught by genjutsu. He could be a million times stronger, he's still screwed if he's caught by tsukuyomi since he can not mentally defend against it.

Finally, Aizen being the main villain in Bleach doesn't mean anything to this fight. It simply means Aizen is able to beat Bleach characters. A weak mind controlling opponent could beat most Bleach characters also, just like a Kryptonite man would kill Superman but be lose to the average human.

[Momentum]

Oh ok so basically Itachi will use Mangekyou Sharingan who ever he sees even though they're very weak? He might even underestimate Aizen as a weak samurai and might think "Oh whats the point of using my 'special move' on someone who is very weak??" while Aizen, he doesn't care whether you're weak or not he's pure evil, I even think he has more hatred than Itachi...

You say Itachi only used tsukuyomi after fighting Kakashi for a while, but this does not mean he could not use it immediately like he did against Sasuke. By the same token, Aizen only attacked Renji AFTER politely asking him to put down Rukia when he could've just as easily killed him right there.

Err... Itachi toyed with them first... I don't even think he likes using his Mangekyou Sharingan straight away. He also knows its dangerous for him...

Mangekyou Sharingan has a short range, about 0-5 meters. I think they'll be far from each other unless they're fighting... Thats the reason why Aizen will kill Itachi in a matter of seconds... If you think Itachi will run so he could get closer to Aizen in order to use his 'sharingan'... Aizen won't hesitate to kill him...

[Planeswalker]

the thing is - Sasuke was moving at Rock Lee's speed
and Itachi pwns Sasuke - Itachi shouldnt be underestimated because he does have the speed. Also - he can hypnotise Aizen, all he would have to do is look into his eyes =/

Fool...

If you want to talk about speed then why dont we bring up shunpo? That allowed Byakuya to move behind Renji from around 200m away in an instant. NO NARUTO CHARACTER HAS EVER MOVED THIS FAST. If you think I am wrong then provide evidence. This is Byakuya's normal speed. He was forced to move much faster against Bankai Ichigo, who was able to cut millions of Byakuya's tiny blades in an instant. NOW Aizen stopped bankai Ichigo with one finger. This was Aizen in base form! We havent seen how he fights at all! Not even in shikai, let alone bankai AND THEN hollow mask.

Itachi has no f***ing chance at all.

To anybody who says he does...provide solid evidence that he can even move as fast as Byakuya. If not Aizen slices him in less than a second.

[Jay3205]

If you want to talk about speed then why dont we bring up shunpo? That allowed Byakuya to move behind Renji from around 200m away in an instant. NO NARUTO CHARACTER HAS EVER MOVED THIS FAST. If you think I am wrong then provide evidence. This is Byakuya's normal speed. He was forced to move much faster against Bankai Ichigo, who was able to cut millions of Byakuya's tiny blades in an instant. NOW Aizen stopped bankai Ichigo with one finger. This was Aizen in base form! We havent seen how he fights at all! Not even in shikai, let alone bankai AND THEN hollow mask.

Itachi has no f***ing chance at all.

To anybody who says he does...provide solid evidence that he can even move as fast as Byakuya. If not Aizen slices him in less than a second.

Aizen blocked the attack of a mostly-dead Ichigo. We don't ever really see how Aizen fights in shikai because he always masks his movements. We can say we "saw" his fighting style when he attacked Hitsugaya and Komamura cause that's the closest we'll probably ever get.

Itachi does not need to move as fast as Byakuya. He needs to just have Aizen look at him, which is certain to happen, and the effect is instant. Itachi can win without moving at all since his sharingan can defeat Aizen.

[Planeswalker]

^^ Your last line is an extraordinarily dangerous comment.

Your assuming that Aizen will look into Itachi's eyes without slicing him first? Aizen fights with illusions. Itachi will be looking at a fake, while Aizen is watching from god knows where, not making eye contact because Itachi is focused on the fake.

And oh yeah. Itachi does need to move fast. Aizen moved from deep within central 46 to the excecution grounds in an instant. Dont disregard that.

[Lust]

i can see what will turn out from this debate between plane and jay,this thread will become like the one "ichigo vs itachi" in the end aizen will win because of his speed(agree on what plane say* and cunningness.

[Jay3205]

Your assuming that Aizen will look into Itachi's eyes without slicing him first? Aizen fights with illusions. Itachi will be looking at a fake, while Aizen is watching from god knows where, not making eye contact because Itachi is focused on the fake.
Itachi will not be hypnotized since he has never seen Aizen's release before. Hence, Aizen will need to release his zanpakutou first, which I assume he'll be looking at Itachi when he does this (as is standard in any face off). Hence, Aizen would be the one caught first since Aizen will not have made the fake yet.

And oh yeah. Itachi does need to move fast. Aizen moved from deep within central 46 to the excecution grounds in an instant. Dont disregard that.
Itachi doesn't need to move fast because his sharingan ability is near instant and requires no movement at all. Aizen can no more avoid it than all the other captains avoiding Aizen's release. And besides, didn't Aizen move to the execution grounds using some magical ribbon type object.

[Momentum]

Seriously Itachi can use it instantly but I don't think its in his personality... When he saw Asuma and Kurenai he could've just finished them off right there... he even knew they were going to be a threat... So I think Aizen will release his shikai first rather than Itachi using his Mangekyou Sharingan...

[Jay3205]

Seriously Itachi can use it instantly but I don't think its in his personality... When he saw Asuma and Kurenai he could've just finished them off right there... he even knew they were going to be a threat... So I think Aizen will release his shikai first rather than Itachi using his Mangekyou Sharingan...
Well, Aizen could've killed Hitsugaya right off the bat, but instead he let him go bankai and try to attack him. It doesn't seem to be in Aizen's personality either to immediately kill people (or even use his shikai) if he doesn't need to.

[Momentum]

Well, Aizen could've killed Hitsugaya right off the bat, but instead he let him go bankai and try to attack him. It doesn't seem to be in Aizen's personality either to immediately kill people (or even use his shikai) if he doesn't need to.

At least he raped Hitsugaya unlike Itachi toying with Kurenai ;p Itachi could've off finished her off within a few seconds if he wanted to before Kakashi will arrive...

When Hitsugaya confronted Aizen, he still had his sword in the sheath and WHEN Hitsugaya tried to stab, he still had his sword in his sheath... by the time he knew it he was slashed... he didn't even get the chance to see the release...

[Guy]

Aizen's reiatsu vs. Itachi: Itachi gets paraylze and is on the floor, unable to move.

Aizen's kidou vs. Itachi: Itachi gets fried.

Aizen's shikai vs. Itachi: Itachi gets hypnotized and kills himself.

[Planeswalker]

^^ Quite true. Aizen's reiatsu alone would crush the entire Narutoverse. People can argue about Sharigan and crap all they want, but what use is it if your being crushed to death? No Naruto character has the strength to stand up to the reiatsu of the strongest Bleach character to date.

Itachi will not be hypnotized since he has never seen Aizen's release before. Hence, Aizen will need to release his zanpakutou first, which I assume he'll be looking at Itachi when he does this (as is standard in any face off). Hence, Aizen would be the one caught first since Aizen will not have made the fake yet.

Assumptions are really quite useless. You can look at your opponent without making eye contact.

This is a speed issue so it will be adressed in my next bit.

Itachi doesn't need to move fast because his sharingan ability is near instant and requires no movement at all. Aizen can no more avoid it than all the other captains avoiding Aizen's release. And besides, didn't Aizen move to the execution grounds using some magical ribbon type object.

Your flaws are in bold. Shunpo is instant. Not near instant. Therefore you just gave Aizen the advantage in speed.

Using weaker characters as an argument for why Aizen cant avoid it is not an argument.

Even if some device was used, he still managed to cover that much ground, didnt he?

[Guy]

I would like to add that Aizen does not need to look at Itachi to crush him with his sheer reiatsu. Since Itachi won't be able to make Aizen look at him, he'll be beaten down on the ground. Then, Aizen simply uses kidou and Itachi is screwed.

[Silhouette]

Although I agree with you guys(Planes and guyklc), I'd like to say this.

- Reiatsu can't be used as an arguement when it isn't a Bleach vs Bleach match.

- Why does everyone think that that hypnotis Shikai of Aizen's is godly? It isn't. Its not instant, he would have to release his Shikai. Say the incantation and whatnot first, then he would have to do that ceromony thing, THEN Itachi would be hypnotized. And during all that, you think he's just going to stand there?

And also. He doesn't control the person. He controls what they see and hear(and sometimes feel). He can't make someone kill themself. Not directly anyway. Sure, he can make Itachi think he's running forward, when he's really running off a cliff, but that would mean that they would have to be by a cliff to begin with. Itachi would wonder why the cliff suddenly disappeared though.

Just throwing that out there. But yeah, Aizen pretty much wins.

[StoneTitan]

Basicly Aizen could hypnotis anyone in a way, way more suprime way then what you wrote.

For instance: he might as well hypnotis you to think your a midget.
In that case even though your mind might be alright, you wouldn't be able to move your arms, legs etc. remember he manipulates "Sight,Hearing,Smell,Feeling, taste and seemingly a 6'th"


How would Itachi win as a midget??? he would be handicaped.

Or what if Aizen Hypnotis Itachi to think both his arms and legs have been cut, and hist being burned in a state where he can't move???(In other words: Use Itachis spc on him but just improved)



For the Rituel of the Release, it can be done in seconds if not fractions of 1...
Remember you can skip the incation once your able to use Bankai.
In this case its a question how fast can Aizen darw it.

[Jay3205]

Assumptions are really quite useless. You can look at your opponent without making eye contact.
When you look at opponent, you look at their eyes as well. Sharingan's effect doesn't require the opponent to stare dead into their eyes. Guy learned to fight against it by looking down at the feet. If Aizen has Itachi's full body in view, he'll be affected by it. True, Aizen could just for some reason decide to close his eyes, turn around, and then use his reiatsu to crush Itachi, but this is very unusual and is by no means ordinary. Ordinary = facing your opponent before you fight them, like every fight in Bleach.

Your flaws are in bold. Shunpo is instant. Not near instant. Therefore you just gave Aizen the advantage in speed.

Using weaker characters as an argument for why Aizen cant avoid it is not an argument.

Even if some device was used, he still managed to cover that much ground, didnt he?
Shunpo is nowhere near instant. There is obviously time between the disappearance and reappearance of the user. If shunpo is instant, everybody would have the same shunpo speed, including bankai Ichigo, Yoruichi, and Renji, and nobody would ever avoid Byakuya's shunpo attack since an *instant* attack can't be avoided.

Although Aizen did use some device to teleport, the time spent twirling the ribbon around himself is more than enough time to plan to use Sharingan's abilities on him.

For the Rituel of the Release, it can be done in seconds if not fractions of 1...
Remember you can skip the incation once your able to use Bankai.
In this case its a question how fast can Aizen darw it.
Again... Aizen wouldn't have hypnotized Itachi since he'd be caught first. Regardless of how fast Aizen can release his sword, Sharingan can be activated by thought, which is much faster. Someone who can just look at you and kill you is much more dangerous than someone who needs to draw their sword to kill you... at least in a one-on-one match.

[Momentum]

If Aizen has Itachi's full body in view, he'll be affected by it. True, Aizen could just for some reason decide to close his eyes, turn around, and then use his reiatsu to crush Itachi, but this is very unusual and is by no means ordinary.

Full body in view huh? So does that count as long range? Tsukuyomi has a very short range about 0-5 meters, I don't think they'll be that close to each other unless they start fighting... As for Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu, it doesn't matter if Itachi is near or far... He'll still be trapped in Aizen's hypnosis... (and I even bet you think Guy had Itachi in full body view but still had no effect, you only think that because the camera or whatever was focused at Itachi's feet)

[themicahman]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! this is the funniest post ever!!!!!.....Itachi is strong in naruto and he will stay very strong in naruto...but in bleach i think like maybe not Inoue or Chad but after them anyone could beat itachi in bleach. Itachi is strong in that show...in bleach very weak...not meant to be in that type of show. in oter words thats kinda like having SS4 Gogeta fight Naruto, or something stupid like that. there is a big diff in these 2 animes.

[Jay3205]

Full body in view huh? So does that count as long range? Tsukuyomi has a very short range about 0-5 meters, I don't think they'll be that close to each other unless they start fighting... As for Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu, it doesn't matter if Itachi is near or far... He'll still be trapped in Aizen's hypnosis... (and I even bet you think Guy had Itachi in full body view but still had no effect, you only think that because the camera or whatever was focused at Itachi's feet)
Well, they would be about to start fighting, so 5 m does not sound like such an unreasonable distance.

As for your last statement, I don't know exactly what you mean. I am referring to the fact that Kakashi wasn't looking directly into Itachi's eyes, yet he was still hypnotized even while trying to resist with his own Sharingan. If the full body is in view, then the eyes will be in view also which allows the hypnosis to work. Also, someone stated that the only way to avoid the hypnosis was to look ONLY at the feet, which Guy is the only skilled enough to do.

[Momentum]

As for your last statement, I don't know exactly what you mean. I am referring to the fact that Kakashi wasn't looking directly into Itachi's eyes, yet he was still hypnotized even while trying to resist with his own Sharingan. If the full body is in view, then the eyes will be in view also which allows the hypnosis to work.

Reason why Itachi was able to use Tsukuyomi was because Kakashi was within the 5m radius.

Also, someone stated that the only way to avoid the hypnosis was to look ONLY at the feet, which Guy is the only skilled enough to do.

Oh ok then how come Kurenai or Asuma didn't fall into the technique? At least one of them would've fell into Itachi's technique which didn't happen...

[Jay3205]

Reason why Itachi was able to use Tsukuyomi was because Kakashi was within the 5m radius.
That's not the point. The point is, Itachi was able to use it despite not having direct eye contact.

Oh ok then how come Kurenai or Asuma didn't fall into the technique? At least one of them would've fell into Itachi's technique which didn't happen...
He was already able to easily beat Kurenai and Asuma using martial arts and ninjutsu, and using the technique on Kurenai, Asuma, AND Kakashi would've left him completely drained and defenseless if anybody else showed up. Kakashi was really the only one giving him a major problem.

[Momentum]

That's not the point. The point is, Itachi was able to use it despite not having direct eye contact.

No they were looking directly at each other. Then Gai's theory of looking at your opponents feet is completely useless...

He was already able to easily beat Kurenai and Asuma using martial arts and ninjutsu, and using the technique on Kurenai, Asuma, AND Kakashi would've left him completely drained and defenseless if anybody else showed up. Kakashi was really the only one giving him a major problem.

Don't forget about Kisame, he was with him. Kisame was fighting Asuma and Kurenai was fighting Itachi so no he didn't go two on one.

[Jay3205]

No they were looking directly at each other. Then Gai's theory of looking at your opponents feet is completely useless...
Looking at each other =/= direct eye contact (such as staring contest from a distance). Gai's theory of looking at the opponent's feet isn't useless, and it is not really a theory. He avoids Kakashi's sharingan by looking at the feet, so it is proven to work. If Itachi's sharingan is stronger than Kakashi's, then that just puts Aizen in an even worse position in the fight.

[Tatsumaki]

Can't pick. They are both to strong >.<

[Bankai_Kratos]

Depends on whether or not Aizen looks into itachi's eyes.

If he doesnt have enough information on him, and ends up falling for the mangekyou, then its done.

To clear up the earlier point, kakashi DOES look into itachi's eyes, just with his own sharingan. However, it is not powerful enough to resist the Mangekyou, and so he falls under the genjutsu. Gai's theory about looking at the feet is perfectly fine for Mangekyou. Other genjutsu can be used, just not as strong. And as is shown later in the manga, Itachi pwns Naruto and Kakashi using only 20% of his strength through a fake body.

Case and point, if Aizen makes eye contact with Itachi he will either

A. Go through 72 hours of being stabbed and die

or B. Be engulfed by flames hotter than the surface of the sun and die.

[Momentum]

When Hitsugaya confronted Aizen, he still had his sword in the sheath and WHEN Hitsugaya tried to stab, he still had his sword in his sheath... by the time he knew it he was slashed... he didn't even get the chance to see the release...

I want to bring this back up. Almost as instant as 'Tsukuyomi.' Histugaya never saw the release and even Komamura. So that meant that Aizen knew they were coming so he used "Kyouka Suigetsu" to hypnotize them with fake Aizens. And so like Planeswalker said Itachi will be focusing on the fake Aizen.

[Bankai_Kratos]

<_<

Itachi doesnt NEED to focus on the real Aizen. If Aizen is unaware of mangekyou's power, and he looks into his eyes, it will automatically just happen

[Momentum]

Itachi doesnt NEED to focus on the real Aizen. If Aizen is unaware of mangekyou's power, and he looks into his eyes, it will automatically just happen

Ok, then therefore the real Aizen won't feel anything because we all know that Itachi is focusing on the fake one and then by the time you know it Itachi will be slaughtered. Fight Over GG Itachi.

[Jay3205]

Ok, then therefore the real Aizen won't feel anything because we all know that Itachi is focusing on the fake one and then by the time you know it Itachi will be slaughtered. Fight Over GG Itachi. Again, you are assuming Aizen has somehow mystically hypnotized Itachi without every looking at him. In truth, Aizen could be attacking the "real" (tsukuyomi) Itachi for 3 days straight while the real Itachi is burning Aizen with the power of the sun.

[Momentum]

Again, you are assuming Aizen has somehow mystically hypnotized Itachi without every looking at him. In truth, Aizen could be attacking the "real" (tsukuyomi) Itachi for 3 days straight while the real Itachi is burning Aizen with the power of the sun.

Of course... Hitsugaya and Komamura never got to see the release so I guess Aizen can release his Kyouka Suigetsu that fast... maybe... almost as instant...

Ok here I got good info from bleachportal.net which I should have done ages ago...

SHIKAI:
Kyouka Suigetsu is one of a kind. Aizen has used its Shikai, I think, but due to its power, nobody knows what it really looks like.Y'see, Kyouka Suigetsu gives Aizen the power of 'complete hypnosis'. As long as opponents can see him, he can hypnotize them into seeing or believing anything he wants them to. There's no way to get out of it once it's on you, and even if you know it's going to happen, there's no way you can see through it. The only way to get around it is not to look at Aizen or the blade *at all*, which makes fighting him a lot harder.

The only way to get around it is not to look at Aizen or the blade *at all*, which makes fighting him a lot harder.

Something we must think about...

[Jay3205]

Of course... Hitsugaya and Komamura never got to see the release so I guess Aizen can release his Kyouka Suigetsu that fast... maybe... almost as instant...

Ok here I got good info from bleachportal.net which I should have done ages ago...
It's assumed that since they have been around for quite some time, they have seen Aizen's shikai sometime in the past. After all, Hitsugaya was already under hypnosis when he thought Aizen was stuck on the wall. Pretty much anybody of any rank already had been hypnotized... Aizen did not instantly unleash it.

The only way to get around it is not to look at Aizen or the blade *at all*, which makes fighting him a lot harder.Once you are already hypnotized, the only way to get around it is to not look at Aizen or the blade *at all*. Since Itachi has never seen Aizen before, he is not hypnotized, so this doesn't apply.

[Momentum]

As long as opponents can see him, he can hypnotize them into seeing or believing anything he wants them to.

Opponents... Not really specified on which kind of opponents...

After all, Hitsugaya was already under hypnosis when he thought Aizen was stuck on the wall.

Yeah... so he didn't see the release but was still hypnotized...

Once you are already hypnotized, the only way to get around it is to not look at Aizen or the blade *at all*.

So therefore Itachi won't be able to use Mangekyou Sharingan on him then...

[.Kozmic]

Fool...

If you want to talk about speed then why dont we bring up shunpo? That allowed Byakuya to move behind Renji from around 200m away in an instant. NO NARUTO CHARACTER HAS EVER MOVED THIS FAST. If you think I am wrong then provide evidence. This is Byakuya's normal speed. He was forced to move much faster against Bankai Ichigo, who was able to cut millions of Byakuya's tiny blades in an instant. NOW Aizen stopped bankai Ichigo with one finger. This was Aizen in base form! We havent seen how he fights at all! Not even in shikai, let alone bankai AND THEN hollow mask.

Itachi has no f***ing chance at all.

To anybody who says he does...provide solid evidence that he can even move as fast as Byakuya. If not Aizen slices him in less than a second.

Actually the fourth hokage moved faster by using the flying thundergod technique that practically teleports him.

[Momentum]

Actually the fourth hokage moved faster by using the flying thundergod technique that practically teleports him.

Fourth Hokage is dead :S That technique is only unique to the Fourth Hokage... And besides we are talking about Itachi here moving faster than Byakuya not Yondaime... So ignore Yondaime...

[Jay3205]

Opponents... Not really specified on which kind of opponents...
This is Club Bleach's summary of how it might work. It is somewhat believable, but it carries no more weight than anything you or I say. Since Aizen directly states that the release must be seen, that is the only 100% valid info. It seems you're just taking snippets of secondary sourcesto help your argument...

Yeah... so he didn't see the release but was still hypnotized...
The point is that he did see the release.... Aizen even states how his zanpakutou works, and that the RELEASE must be seen. Since it's a shikai ability, it makes sense that the SHIKAI must be seen. Since Aizen did a ceremonial release, chances are everyone saw it at that time, including the captains. Just because it isn't shown on screen doesn't mean it didn't happen; it's implied. What you're saying is akin to saying "Byakuya never trained a day in his life because it's never seen."

So therefore Itachi won't be able to use Mangekyou Sharingan on him then... Therefore, Aizen will not have hypnotized him already... so Aizen will be the one caught in genjutsu.

I hope I don't have to argue against any more theories that directly go against the show/manga...

[Momentum]

Itachi can use it whenever he wants to but bleh I still don't think Itachi will use unless its absolute necessary... I've never seen him use at a start of a fight... Why not use it against Sasuke when they start fighting at the motel? Why not use it against Kurenai at the start so they can gang up on Asuma? Why not against Naruto when they met the motel? They knew Naruto would retaliate so why didn't he use it? He sure doesn't use it whenever he fights. "Hmm... I see someone walking at me taking a sword out... You know what? MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN! HAH! NO MATCH FOR ME! heh...

[Guy]

Dude, Aizen's reiatsu would smash Itachi to the ground from miles away. Itachi wouldn't even know what hit him.

[Momentum]

Dude, Aizen's reiatsu would smash Itachi to the ground from miles away. Itachi wouldn't even know what hit him.

Hell that could be true... By the time Aizen sees him Itachi will be lying helplessly on the ground...

[Lust]

reitsu can like frighten ppl ex...hantarou and that shiba dude tremble in fear when he met kenpachi so this conclude,itachi cant move and getting to be pawn by aizen

[Jay3205]

reitsu can like frighten ppl ex...hantarou and that shiba dude tremble in fear when he met kenpachi so this conclude,itachi cant move and getting to be pawn by aizen I'd hardly call Hanatarou and Shiba warriors. If Itachi feels pressure, he could simply use Sharingan.

[Momentum]

I'd hardly call Hanatarou and Shiba warriors. If Itachi feels pressure, he could simply use Sharingan.

Use Sharingan? What can Sharingan do to help him in that kind of situation?

[Jay3205]

Use Sharingan? What can Sharingan do to help him in that kind of situation? He can use its genjutsu ability. Nobody in Bleach has ever been so overwhelmed by reiatsu that they were unable to move at all or look at the opponent.

[themicahman]

the only naruto peeps who would stand a chance against a shinigami are itachi kakashi and maybe sasuke.reason:they have sharingan, what can sharingan do to a shinigami you say, it can do exactly what it does to a shinobi, it can figure out how and what exactly they are doing instantly,example ichigo uses bankai, Itachi uses sharingan and is one step ahead of ichigos great speed. a faulty in what somoene said mangekyou wouldnt work on seated shinigami.the shinigami are extremely intellegent... there minds would easily be able to escape the mangekyou especialy somoene like zaraki kenpachi or tousen who cant see lol. so there are many flaws in many all of your theories.

[Christopher11]

Clearly the Naruto Characters aren't on par with the Bleach Characters... So I would have to say Aizen would defeat Itachi.

[StoneTitan]

How would Itachi ever know if Aizen have released??? or for that sake what a release can do...(Aizen could have released the zanpakuto the moment he draws it, and wit the skill make it look normal)


Also for the attack Itachi use that is hotter then the surface of the Sun... How wide is that attack? also is it just flames or is there something in it?

Acording to memory the Surface of the sun ain't as hot as one would think...
Around 5-6000 C, in comparison Lighning can be at 15000 C.
(Still the attak sounds like it'll likely hurt)

[Jay3205]

How would Itachi ever know if Aizen have released??? or for that sake what a release can do...(Aizen could have released the zanpakuto the moment he draws it, and wit the skill make it look normal) He wouldn't know if Aizen "released", as he would just think he's seeing Aizen draw his sword. By the same token, Aizen really wouldn't know he's in any sort of genjutsu either.

Also for the attack Itachi use that is hotter then the surface of the Sun... How wide is that attack? also is it just flames or is there something in it?

Acording to memory the Surface of the sun ain't as hot as one would think...
Around 5-6000 C, in comparison Lighning can be at 15000 C.
(Still the attak sounds like it'll likely hurt) The attack is pretty much just black flames. Although the sun isn't as hot as lightning, Yamaji's zanpakutou with the "strongest attack power" appeared to be far less hot than the sun (nothing melted, at all).

[StoneTitan]

The attack is pretty much just black flames. Although the sun isn't as hot as lightning, Yamaji's zanpakutou with the "strongest attack power" appeared to be far less hot than the sun (nothing melted, at all).

Either that is corse of Him having somekind of controle over what is hurt, or i need an explination to this attack from Kubo or someone else.(Yamma's)

But remember this, the release did't burn off quite an area, just not so noticable in the anime... The blade is actually so hot it scorches the sky makeing the clouds dissapear.

Now either that is a wide area with high temp, or a smaller area with Extremly high temp.


Anyway can we really be sure that M...Sharingan would kill Aizen if it hit him?
Didn't Kakashi survive, or was therre some tricky part in that one?

[Momentum]

He can use its genjutsu ability. Nobody in Bleach has ever been so overwhelmed by reiatsu that they were unable to move at all or look at the opponent.

Yeah like use Tsukuyomi from afar? Dude that won't even reach Aizen. Remember it has a range of 0-5 meters. And yes there were a few people that collapsed due to reiatsu like Chad, Inoue, Ishida and Ganju (and possibly Hanatarou). They were victims of Gin's reiatsu force alone.

[Lust]

He wouldn't know if Aizen "released", as he would just think he's seeing Aizen draw his sword. By the same token, Aizen really wouldn't know he's in any sort of genjutsu either.
by the time aizen realese his sword,that is the time itachi bein hynoptise,like you say he SEE aizen take out his sword...so he will got hynoptise and got pawn

[Jay3205]

by the time aizen realese his sword,that is the time itachi bein hynoptise,like you say he SEE aizen take out his sword...so he will got hynoptise and got pawn
By the time Aizen released his sword, he would have already SEEN Itachi, which Aizen would be in the hypnosis.

Yeah like use Tsukuyomi from afar? Dude that won't even reach Aizen. Remember it has a range of 0-5 meters. And yes there were a few people that collapsed due to reiatsu like Chad, Inoue, Ishida and Ganju (and possibly Hanatarou). They were victims of Gin's reiatsu force alone.
Well, I suppose if they were in a "Bleach style" face off (i.e. being 20-30 meters from your opponent while talking to each other), then Itachi would be screwed. If it were Naruto style (i.e. chuunin exam style face off), Aizen would be in trouble.

[Lust]

>_>
By the time Aizen released his sword, he would have already SEEN Itachi, which Aizen would be in the hypnosis.
well to think logically,aizen would just shikai(it did happen really fast ex like he fighting with hitsu) and see itachi and itachi look at aizen equal both been hynotise >_>
Well, I suppose if they were in a "Bleach style" face off (i.e. being 20-30 meters from your opponent while talking to each other), then Itachi would be screwed. If it were Naruto style (i.e. chuunin exam style face off), Aizen would be in trouble.
distance does matter but usually ppl fight in near battle but in aizen case,he wont be that stupid to go agaisnt his enemy without knowing his specialty,of cause he will use his blade and created a fake one to fight

[Jay3205]

well to think logically,aizen would just shikai(it did happen really fast ex like he fighting with hitsu) and see itachi and itachi look at aizen equal both been hynotise >_>
Aizen didn't "release shikai" instantly against Hitsugaya. Hitsugaya was under hypnosis already, so Aizen didn't need to instantly release it. He could've pulled it out the moment Hitsugaya went bankai or already had it out before Hitsugaya arrrived.

If you assume that they approach each other and for some reason assume that they'll need to quickly eliminate the opponent, I would assume Sharingan would be activated first since an eye change is practically instant while drawing the sword would be slower. Even if they did get hypnotized at the same time, Itachi's abilities all take place in a second while Aizen's can't collapse 3 days worth of attacks into the same second.

distance does matter but usually ppl fight in near battle but in aizen case,he wont be that stupid to go agaisnt his enemy without knowing his specialty,of cause he will use his blade and created a fake one to fight I wouldn't go so far as to say he won't be so "stupid" to approach a foreign opponent. He's probably never met an opponent who he couldn't beat, so he probably doesn't worry about being killed in battle. Anyways, I'd be willing to bet Itachi's Sharingan gives him some resistance to hypnosis. Even though genjutsu =/= zanpakutou technique, hypnosis is practically the same thing. To say his Sharingan wouldn't be of any defense is like saying chakra won't work on a shinigami because shinigami are spirits.

[Lust]

hmm
but then again,to enable to use sharingan,there got a distance for it....normal eye cannot see something more than few feet...thus becoming a weakness ex..everytime itachi use his sharingan all of his opponent is really near him,like itahi vs sasuke...near,kakshi vs itachi also near and etc while meanwhile aizen never go near his oppoennet so when itachi go near to aizen he will be hynotise,since a person know bankai can release their sword without even saying the name and also even a slight sword been reveal also can hynotise and like i say...he is cunning,of cause he will use the fake one(his sword illusion) to take on his place 1st

[Momentum]

Well, I suppose if they were in a "Bleach style" face off (i.e. being 20-30 meters from your opponent while talking to each other), then Itachi would be screwed. If it were Naruto style (i.e. chuunin exam style face off), Aizen would be in trouble.

Well I suppose Itachi will be trying to get close to Aizen since hes a Naruto character and he'll fight in Naruto style (i.e. chuunin exam style face off) so he'll be able to use his Mangekyou Sharingan effectively while Aizen on the other hand can already hypnotize Itachi no matter how far they are. Then a simple kidou from Aizen will be enough to beat Itachi...

If you assume that they approach each other and for some reason assume that they'll need to quickly eliminate the opponent, I would assume Sharingan would be activated first since an eye change is practically instant while drawing the sword would be slower. Even if they did get hypnotized at the same time, Itachi's abilities all take place in a second while Aizen's can't collapse 3 days worth of attacks into the same second.

I can't imagine Itachi using 'Tsukuyomi' while hes approaching or running to Aizen... It just sounds wrong...

To say his Sharingan wouldn't be of any defense is like saying chakra won't work on a shinigami because shinigami are spirits.

In fact Sharingan is pretty useless when it come to Aizen's hypnosis... Why? It can't be countered... unlike genjutsu techniques, Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu is impossible to escape from. He even also said that himself.

So Itachi wins for the sake of having Mangekyou Sharingan? Well its totally up to him whether he wants to use it FIRST before Aizen makes a move but I highly doubt that will happen... He might end up underestimating Aizen at first... :P

[Emperor Knives]

Itachi only needs to look into Aizen's eyes once and he can pretty much burn up his insides with Amaterasu. On the other hand Aizen has his "complete hypnosis" technique. I think this match would be a draw.

[Momentum]

Itachi only needs to look into Aizen's eyes once and he can pretty much burn up his insides with Amaterasu. On the other hand Aizen has his "complete hypnosis" technique. I think this match would be a draw.

LOL ROFL! Amaterasu doesn't have the ability burn people's organs. When have you ever seen Itachi use Mangekyou Sharingan at the start of a fight? No never...

[Emperor Knives]

Amaterasu is an MS technique that allows the user to create jet black flames that could pierce through almost any material. Itachi used this against one of Jiraiya's frogs to try and burn it from the inside. Itachi used MS immediately against Kakashi during they're first encounter if I remember it correctly.

[Momentum]

Amaterasu is an MS technique that allows the user to create jet black flames that could pierce through almost any material. Itachi used this against one of Jiraiya's frogs to try and burn it from the inside. Itachi used MS immediately against Kakashi during they're first encounter if I remember it correctly.

Yeah pierce through any material but not starting from the inside of something... just because he used it in Jiraiya's frog doesn't mean he can burn people's insides... And NO Itachi didn't use MS immediately against Kakashi... >.>

[Psychostar]

I think Aizen wins because i don't see his bankai and I supose that is very strong, but Itachi is very strong, too

[ninjabot]

If Sharingan lets one reverse Genjutsu, then I'm sure he could reverse any effects of Aizen's hypnosis. Also, shikai or bankai would be sealed away the same way Sasuke sealed away Kyuubi. Atleast that would make sense to me.

[Momentum]

^^ He can't reverse Kyouka Suigetsu. Aizen stated that even you realize you are under hypnosis, its impossible to escape from it. Also it is a shikai technique not a genjutsu. As for sealing away shikai and bankai... it really sounds ridiculous ... I'd really like to see Itachi try and seal those away >.>

[Jay3205]

^^ Part of the reason that it's "impossible to escape from" is that nobody else has any mind-altering abilities, hence they have no defense at all against it. Itachi, on the other hand, does as do all Naruto characters to some degree.

As for sealing away shikai/bankai, it seems pretty impossible. After all, Itachi can't seal away kunai, so why would he be able to seal away a sword? That situation is more akin to surpressing the hollow side of Ichigo, but it doesn't really apply to Aizen.

[zarakiscars86]

with wut weve seen...AIZEN without breaking a sweat

[Momentum]

Part of the reason that it's "impossible to escape from" is that nobody else has any mind-altering abilities, hence they have no defense at all against it. Itachi, on the other hand, does as do all Naruto characters to some degree.


Itachi might not be able to do anything about it because its Aizen's shikai that is doing it, not Aizen himself... Hypnosis is also something that you can't get out of like you can't hurt yourself in order to get out of the genjutsu.

[ninjabot]

Should've clarified that a bit more...shikai is the awakened form of one's zanpakuto, a power-up that needs to be brought about by the user's will. Yes, his sword would be there, but the actual ability of the zanpakuto wouldn't, as Aizen wouldn't be able to break through the seal that Itachi used to bind whatever Aizen's zanpakuto avatar is. For a better example, imagine Itachi fighting Ichigo. He could seal away Ogihci the same way he sealed away Kyuubi, thus stopping him from powering up anyfurther in the same sense of how Naruto wasn't able to pull out Kyuubi.

Itachi can't seal away tangible objects like kunai, but he can limit ones power by stepping into their mind and dispersing it the way Sasuke did. Aizen will still have a sword, but that's all it'll be. A sword.

[Momentum]

Should've clarified that a bit more...shikai is the awakened form of one's zanpakuto, a power-up that needs to be brought about by the user's will. Yes, his sword would be there, but the actual ability of the zanpakuto wouldn't, as Aizen wouldn't be able to break through the seal that Itachi used to bind whatever Aizen's zanpakuto avatar is. For a better example, imagine Itachi fighting Ichigo. He could seal away Ogihci the same way he sealed away Kyuubi, thus stopping him from powering up anyfurther in the same sense of how Naruto wasn't able to pull out Kyuubi.

Itachi can't seal away tangible objects like kunai, but he can limit ones power by stepping into their mind and dispersing it the way Sasuke did. Aizen will still have a sword, but that's all it'll be. A sword.

If you say Itachi can "seal" Aizen's zanpakutou... its still impossible, it just wouldn't work... There isn't any chakra to seal within the zanpakutou or Aizen himself and he can't do it because chakra and reiatsu are once again different... It seems chakra can only be seen, not be felt while reiatsu can be felt but not seen.

[Lust]

also itachi have no skill that can seal him except his eye BUT aizen can seal him from moving but his high reitsu :p

[Hinagiku]

Aizen has been alive way longer than Itachi, so he's had more time to master his techniques. He would win for sure. Itachi wouldn't even notice when he was being sucked into the illusion. Aizen has shown that he can stop Bankais with little effort. I don't think that he would allow himself to be pulled in by any Tsukuyomi attack or Mangekyou illusions either, he would have enough experience with illusions (his Zanpakutou's ability being Perfect Hypnosis) to know how to avoid it.

[lvramire]

one word...BANKAI

we've seen Itachi in action and he was even scared of Jiraiya when he was wounded.Frankly he did'nt impress me that much or do you mean to imply that Jiraiya can beat Aizen...?

also that black-flames technique is overrated."as hot as the surface of the sun"=not very hot at all.we use temperatures 3x those in industrial processes.

we have'nt even seen Aizen at possibly 1/4 of his strength and we've oonly seen him swat flys.Why does no one mention the bankai? Does'nt it multiply your strength by 10x or something?

[Lirion]

I don't think Aizen even have to use his shikai to beat Itachi. Aizen is probably way faster than Itachi and would kill him before he can use his Sharingan.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Well, if Aizen looks Itachi in the eye for even a nanosecend hes done for.

[Momentum]

^^ Well Kakashi would just collapse after seeing Itachi again wouldn't he? Like I said before he won't use it immediately after seeing an "enemy."

And ffs I don't see this thread going anywhere anymore. People please just stop reving this thread and just let it die...

[deng1234]

aizen is purely weak if he was to fight itachi.... first aizen uses illusion the uchiha clan official power is to make illusions and copy movemenmts.. if aizen created an illusion the sharingan could see right through it even if aizen was to turn into his bankai form itachi's mangyouken sharingan would just paralize aizen the sharingan illusions are real and cruel aizen just makes you see things and attack ones he catches myou like what he did to hutsuguya when he got stabbed but was just another iluusion created by aizen

[Momentum]

^^ FFS I tell you FFS stop reving the freaking thread. You just reposted something so read the past posts.... >.<

Ok I'm being a hypocrite...

copy movemenmts

Copy movements... tell me thats also copy techniques right? Sharingan users copy the hand seals which allows them to use the jutsus. Don't see Aizen using hand seals and plus if Itachi was to copy a kidou, he will require reiatsu.

if aizen created an illusion the sharingan could see right through it even if aizen was to turn into his bankai form

Aizen's illusion is not a genjutsu. Also hurting yourself won't help you to get out of the illusion.

Let me quote my own message...

In fact Sharingan is pretty useless when it come to Aizen's hypnosis... Why? It can't be countered... unlike genjutsu techniques, Aizen's Kyouka Suigetsu is impossible to escape from. He even also said that himself.

Seriously this thread isn't going anywhere anymore. Everyone just keeps reposting the same thing all over and all over again...

[wr80]

Wow lets all argue over 2 completely different shows, If you want the real facts, Itachi can't even SEE Aizen since he is a soul not a human being. Right there this fight isn't even fair, so let the topic die this isn't even a real fight.

[Momentum]

The rules stated the shinigamis have to be visible or else Aizen wins with HARDLY any effort.

[Yanniv]

Aizen uses shikai on Itachi without looking at Itachi.

He then proceeds to trick him (Itachi) into thinking he has Aizen with his eyes.

Aizen then appears behind him and slices his head off.

[wr80]

Ok even if he can see him, Reaistu alone will crush Itachi seriously guys stop wasting time here, let's put up real fights

[Jay3205]

Sharingan is practically an instant ability. Itachi has shown somewhat of an ability to "force" people into tsukuyomi if they are somewhat looking at him. Aizen, who does not know about this ability, wouldn't just show up backwards and avoid looking at Itachi. Hence, even from the start, Aizen is at a disadvantage as Itachi can just have his eyes open to "instantly" win while Aizen would need to move to win.

[Silhouette]

How is it possible to still be debating about this fight?

Look, Tsukuyomi "transports" the mind of the victim into Itachi's "world", right? I'm only watching the dub anime, so I've only seen this used on Kakashi and Sasuke...

Aizen, as well as all Bleach characters, have ridiculous stamina. If Kakashi can withstand being stabbed with katana for a week was it? Or as it a month? *shrug* Anyway, Aizen would have no problem with it. Sure, Kakashi passed out shortly afterwards, but he isn't Aizen.

No, I'm not an Aizen fanboy, and I happen to think he's highly overrated, but think about that. Bleach characters get sliced in half and still live... there isn't much Itachi could do to Aizen... not even in his mind.

[II Xion II]

Itachi would lose badly. I would be willing to bet he would lose against the Fifth Espada. I mean the guy can hardly see and has a severe limit to his Mangekyou. Aizen has none of that, has the inescapable Kyouka Suigetsu (though if Itachi goes blind, then he might stand a shadow of a chance), a bankai, and enough spirit pressure to crunch a handful of Espada into a sardine can.

[iDont]

I personally think Itachi will win. People are forgetting that he doesn't have to use Tsukiyomi to put you into a Genjutsu. There are many different Genjutsus he may know than just his Tsukiyomi one. As seen in the Anime, when Itachi pointed at Naruto, he was sent into a Genjustu with out even knowing it.

[deng1234]

Perfect Hypnosis. Itachi kills himself.
How is that gonna be possible..

[Mavvy]

/Tread Closed.