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For those that don't know what a lucid Dreamer is here it is, it's a person that can control their dreams fully. Just wondering if there are any other people out there that have this ability.
I'm interested to know so let me...and yes I am one myself.
EDIT: Well, 40 pages is more than I think I expected of this thread… but there have been questions and topics lost along the way, so to save us all time (you from searching for the answer, and us from answering the same questions :p), I’ve added some of the more frequently asked questions/amswers, as well as links to some of the more interesting topics that have been discussed. You will also find a list of resources toward the bottom of the post if you feel you would like to use some of the things that have helped people in this thread reach their goal of becoming lucid.
If you are – like me - someone that’s lucid, come share your experiences with us.
If you are here to learn, then good luck.
FAQ:
Q: What is Lucid Dreaming?
A: (This is the definition given by Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream)) A lucid dream, also known as a conscious dream, is a dream in which the person is aware that he or she is dreaming while the dream is in progress. During lucid dreams, it is possible to exert conscious control over the dream characters and environment, as well as to perform otherwise physically impossible feats. Lucid dreams can be extremely real and vivid depending on a person's level of self-awareness during the lucid dream. (ie, you control your dreams in any way you can imagine)
Q: Sometimes I dream things that really happen later on, like telling the future, but in my dreams. Is this a lucid dream?
A: No. This is another phenomena which we like to call precognitive dreaming (”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognitive_dreams”). It is quite different from lucid dreaming, but some people think that the two can be somehow connected.
Q: Can I learn how to become lucid?
A: YES. And don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise. It’s as hard as you let it be. And if you believe that you can’t do it, then believe us, you can’t…
Q: Lucid Dreaming Sounds weird… Isn’t it hard for normal people to learn?
A: On the contrary, it’s not weird at all! Most children up to about age 5 – 8 experience lucid dreams, but they grow out of it as their minds are narrowed by society. It’s just something that some of us forget :)
Q: How can I learn to be a lucid dreamer?
A: Well, the first step is to remember your dreams. Start with that, and go from there. Keep a dream journal (most of us have them) that you jot down your dreams in as soon as you wake up. If you can’t remember to begin with, just try holding the thought of ‘I remember my dreams,’ or something similar, in mind before you go to bed. From here you can follow more advanced techniques for recognizing that you’re dreaming (you laugh? You’d be surprised how important a question like ‘Am I dreaming?’ actually becomes…)
There are also books you can read, several techniques that you can follow, and websites/forums specifically designed to be support communities for developing lucid dreamers. All of these will be posted in a resources segment towards the end of this post.
Q: What do you mean dream names? Don’t you just call yourself what you do like when you’re awake?
A: Some of us like to have different names in our dreams. You feel like a different person, so why not use a different name?
Q: Sometimes I wake up and I can’t move… That freaks me out a little. Anyone know why?
A: This is a little annoyance known an sleep paralysis (http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html). It’s harmless really, just a little scary if you don’t expect it.
Q: I woke up and I can remember my dreams perfectly… why can’t I remember them later on?!?!?
A: Good question… The fact of the matter is that most dreamers struggle to keep their memories for very long. It’s been proven that dream recall is best 2-3 minutes after waking up, and that up to 70% of the memory of whatever happened in the dreamscape will be lost in the first 20 minutes of being awake! Even harder is trying to remember a dream after you’ve had another one… So our advice to those with journals: fill them in as early after your dream as you can!
Q: Isn’t Astral Projection the same as Lucid Dreaming?
A: That is constantly debated, some people feel the dreamscape and the astral plain are the same, some people believe you can use the one to get to the other. You decide ;)
Some other interesting topics discussed in this thread (I’m posting the first posts which sparked the discussions, read the posts after these for surrounding discussion):
DreamWalkers (http://www.clubbleach.net/showpost.php?p=806616&postcount=27)
Waking with Headaches? (http://www.clubbleach.net/showpost.php?p=865448&postcount=79)
Do you get hurt? (http://www.clubbleach.net/showpost.php?p=882492&postcount=91)
Do you wake up with wounds you got in your dreams? (http://www.clubbleach.net/showpost.php?p=887429&postcount=94)
Interesting Links to look at:
http://www.dreamviews.com/
http://www.luciddreaming.com/
http://www.ld4all.com/
http://www.lucidity.com/
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050805.html
The first 3 links also have awesome forums for Dreamer support – Dreamviews even has an adoption program! XD Dreamviews and LD4All also boast online chats.
Books you can read:
Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen Laberge – Laberge is the leading researcher in Lucid Dreaming and founder of the Lucidity Institute.
The Art of Dreaming by Carlos Casteneda
Creative Dreaming by Patricia Garfield
Lucid Dreaming (”http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming”) by Numerous Authors - you can actually download this book from Wikipedia, it’s a collective work written by some experienced and many aspiring dreamers
The resources that I’ve listed here are really only a few, and are ones that I know people have made use of and found useful. If you think there is something valuable that we should add to the list, feel free to PM it to me and we’ll add it ;)
Thats really interesting :p. I'm not sure myself if I am this type, cause I usually dont remember my dreams at all. I'm probably half and half.
emmasu
09-19-2006, 07:51 AM
can you explain abit more, what do you mean by controling, you are controling whats going on in the dream or you control what you are going to dream about?
Sometime I wish I could forget my dreams...try concentrating a bit before going to sleep...I'm really interisted to see if there is anyone else that has this ability...I feel like a freak sometimes!
You control everything in the Dream, your surroundings, yourself, anything. Put something in a dream, take it away...I've been at it for so long I can't really explain it to well...give me an hour and I'll get back to you, I have Plant science now.
emmasu
09-19-2006, 07:53 AM
so you are saying that you can control what you are going to dream about?
SHiKaMaRi
09-19-2006, 07:56 AM
..Well, sometimes I dream about what I want to dream... And I remember all my dreams, so... Half of that Lucid Dreamers thing you're talking about? *shrug*
You probably saying you like to dream something beforehand but you cant really control the outcome or current events?
choking
09-19-2006, 08:52 AM
i tried it but rarely... i dunno maybe it depends.. ^ ^
No...you guys don't get it. Once you're asleep and dreaming you can actually manipulate things around you. It's as if you're actually awake except you can do things you can't in the real world, am I even making sense?
Like for example...you're about to be hit by a car but you can stop it by thought before it actually hits you...I've never really had to explain this to anyone before...
Are any of you getting this?
Decado
09-19-2006, 09:14 AM
Yeah i got it from ur first post Lex. man that's freaky..... i wish i could manipulate my dreams...
good for writers eh...live ur story first by thought while dreaming. awesome tactic.
meh - i do that during daylight anyway :P
Icestorm
09-19-2006, 09:14 AM
I am the opposite.. I dont dream.. I havnt dreamt for 5 years.. all I can possible do is have nightmares.. and I always have nightmares.. imagine the most horrifying acts being done to you and your fully aware.. in this kiddies you dont wake when you fall off the cliff and are about to hit the bottom.. in my nightmares im impaled and fully aware.
EDIT: sorry i have had a dream in those 5 years.. it was once.. once haha and it ended so quickly.. sad
Ice you're part Lucid from what I can make out, nightmares also count as dreams...so you're aware...cool! There's someone else! I'm not a total freak! Next time you sleep try to control the world you appear in, fly or something. I thought you would have had nightmares with your history...still nice to know I'm not the only one.
Arrn-Car_Byakuya I wrote that poem one night when I was actually thinking about other Lucid Dreamers, I was hoping I could meet some others.
izzuru
09-19-2006, 09:39 AM
Oh..
i can...
n dats cool...
coz i can add in wat i wan...
but it always out of topic in d end...
coz i change it...
Xp
izzuru, glad to see there are quite a few of us...how often are you lucid? Some people have trouble keeping onto it...
emmasu
09-19-2006, 09:45 AM
No...you guys don't get it. Once you're asleep and dreaming you can actually manipulate things around you. It's as if you're actually awake except you can do things you can't in the real world, am I even making sense?
Like for example...you're about to be hit by a car but you can stop it by thought before it actually hits you...I've never really had to explain this to anyone before...
Are any of you getting this?
i know what you mean, well thats why i asked you from the first place, cuz i wanted to make sure that i know what you mean, well, i think i got that too, well, i can do that i my dreams, i can stop myslef from falling or sometimes being killed or something
well, i got something else, which is that i can wake up whenever i want to during a dream, well, in the dream if am going to fall or something like that, i would realize that am i adream and then i will try to wake up and then i would wake up
Icestorm
09-19-2006, 09:46 AM
Im aware.. and yet .. as much as I try to control it.. it just dominates me when that happens.. its like self conflict
izzuru
09-19-2006, 09:48 AM
lol.. everytime i dream???
i always change my dream..
but there's a few time i cant change...
like when my dead grandma appear in my dream to talk wif me...
other times i change when i wan...
from surrounding to ppl n stuff dat happens...
i can even change d main char...
hehe...
i can wake up n go back to dream if i want to...
Im aware.. and yet .. as much as I try to control it.. it just dominates me when that happens.. its like self conflict
I'd like to help but I've been ludid since I was 5, nearly 15 years. If you like I can give you the name of a person that is trying to become lucid...
izzuru! Wow! I'm impressed, not may people that I know are lucid dreamers can say that! So am I! Weird question, what do you call yourself there? I usually go by Lex if I don't go by Joram.
Icestorm
09-19-2006, 09:57 AM
ive be analysed by psychologists, psychitrists, priests, revrans and gypsies.. none of them had a clue.. im used to it.. the nightmares that is
Sometimes I can gain control of the nightmare.. but that is when I wake, that is what control is for me hahaha.. when im referred to it is by "him" or "he"
izzuru
09-19-2006, 09:58 AM
i can do dat since i dono when... im born???
i nvr really do anything but it just happen...
when i dream... my dream will change according to wat i think..
like sumtime i dream im in house... but i wan it to be in skol... so it change to skol..
i nvr discuss this wif others n i thought it is normal to do it...
wat do u mean by wat do i call myself??? where???
Ice I'm going to give you her name anyway, I usually work through my own nightmares, had some bad ones a few months ago...If she comes back on line it's Sanzora, Sanz, she's been trying for a few years now, getting really good. I'd like to help if I can.
izzuru, those that are lucid usually just call it the Dream World, you can occasionally meet other people there. Do you use a name when you're there or not? That's all I'm asking.
izzuru
09-19-2006, 10:21 AM
y do one wan to control his/her dream???
its not like u'll get something out of it...
it's just dream... dat's wat i think....
hmm... i dono wat's a dream world... so i cant answer ur question...
Techniqually not...we're two really good friends that adopted each other as siblings. We've been calling each other sisters for just about a year now. She should be able to help you with some of the nightmares...I don't ever have trouble with them...I've learnt to make them go away! By the way, next edition is up if you want to read.
Z_Blitz
09-19-2006, 01:09 PM
Yeah, I've had several instances like this. In my case it just occurs to me that its a dream and that I'm actually asleep. The most recent one of those dreams involved me jumping off a 30 storey building and while jumping it just came across my mind that this is not reality, suddenly the whole environment changed and I got dragged to somewhere else, I can't remember the details, but I did control my dream even if it lead me to somewhere I didn't intend to go to in the first place :).
Kurai-chan
09-19-2006, 01:37 PM
whenever i dream, and i think of a thing or event that i want to happen, it would happen. so i am considered as a lucid dreamer, right? hmmm.. wait.. aren't all the people like that? i thought it's natural for us to control our dreams..
Decado
09-19-2006, 01:45 PM
whoa....hell no.
i can't...nobody i know... can control their dreams.
i wanna be like u guys!!!! >.<!!
DreamAngel
09-19-2006, 02:27 PM
Ooo, oo! Pick ME!!!
I can control my dreams, tho sometimes only. Arrn-Car, you find things online to help develop the skill. I fink Im like Lex's friend... Sanz? I tried to learn to control my dreams. U actually get books n websites n excersices n stuf th@ help.
One thing tho... I dunno if yo's will think me crazy or somfink but hav any of u other 'Lucid Dreamers' run into a funny group of ppl called... What was it... Dream Watchers, Dream Walkers, something like that? Dream somethin or otha... :p they're like... Fighters or somethin. I hear theres a group of them. I've run into a few in my dreams, and actually met one of them in real life! Anyone else run into them?
Random Havoc
09-19-2006, 10:45 PM
1) I'm not a lucid dreamer, but I think I may have one experiance where I was aware i was dreaming. Just once... out of millions of dreams possibly a billion I might have had since I was born. I've already spoken to Lex about it ocne in a debate thread I believe. If there is a way to exercise this ability I would love to, because I haven't really been able to remember my dreams for quite a few years now. Very rarely do I have a few memories and then they are gone by next morning. So if you have a linkor something, that would be great.
2) Not many people can control there dreams. To me that would be a great experiance. Just think even though it's not reality, it gives you the ability to do absolutely whatever you want... I can think of a lot of mischief!
3) Wait... Dream watchers... are they on a forum or something? Because the way you talked about them made me believe they can ENTER your dreams and talk to you... That's a freaky ability and I don't think I quite believe it.
Lucid dreaming is very possible! Trust me! I am very much aware of that!
Random Havoc, there's more or less 1% of the human populace that can naturally control their dreams, they're called Lucid dreamers. 1% of the human populace is about...70 million people around the world. Then you get people that train to become Lucid...like Sanz and Aeronolia, it is possible but it can take years!
As for the DW's...I have bad history with them and Aeronolia they are in fact called the Dream Walkers, they do exist and they're supposidly are the ones that keep order in the "Dream World". They can enter the Dreams they want that much is true but they stick their noses in where it isn't wanted!
I really hate those people.
Those are the so called 'good group', you get other people that enjoy to see you squirm in your dreams...nightmares and shit. If I recall correctly they call themselves...Night Stalkers...nasty shits!
Then there's another section that are just known as rogues, they do as they see fit! I reckon I can call myself one of those.
If anyone else knows anything about the D.W's or N.S, I'd like to hear what they have to say.
Kurai-chan, I reckon you're lucid...count yourself umoung the 1% of us!
crushed_petals
09-20-2006, 09:35 AM
zomg.. why does this lucid stuff remind me of the matrix? x.X
anyway.. most of the time i dont remmeba my dreams so i cant really tell if im lucid or not..
however, sumtimes wen im lyk half awake/asleep i can change my dreams but afta a certain amount of control. the scenes just keep replaying..
eurgh..
azumi149
09-20-2006, 10:24 AM
For those that don't know what a lucid Dreamer is here it is, it's a person that can control their dreams fully. Just wondering if there are any other people out there that have this ability.
I'm interested to know so let me...and yes I am one myself.
OMG... u too?!?
coz i am... and it's really weird... weird. :sad
Sanzora
09-20-2006, 02:10 PM
Hey, another person who knows about the Dream Walkers... Yeah I've met them. Controversial bunch of people that... I've met the Nightstalkers too unfortunately. Not cool...
Because the way you talked about them made me believe they can ENTER your dreams and talk to you... That's a freaky ability and I don't think I quite believe it.
Random Havoc, yes, that's exactly what they do... Enter your dreams. And it is possible if you look at various theories on brainwaves, connected conciousness and such. I've had it explained to me. Ever heard of shared dreams? Same concept except on a much more advanced and less coincidental level. :)
DreamAngel
09-20-2006, 02:13 PM
CCCCOOOLLL!!! I'm not Crazy :D
Ok, ummm... I can't rememba the book I read but I see there's a Google page advertised up there to do with lucid stuffies, so maybe check google out for a bit?
raisins
09-20-2006, 06:26 PM
O.o this is the first time i heard of such stuff... an eye opener for me ^^
i'm definitely not a lucid, i often forget what i dream of and my dreams are usually silly and doesn't make sense... i'm only sometimes semiconcious that i'm dreaming and wake up XD
so are these dream walkers real people iexisting in the world or do they only exist in dreams? do you guys see other stuff besides normal people?
rOyKiA
09-20-2006, 09:42 PM
I didn't know that there's such a thing called Lucid Dreamers...I mean it's the first time that I heard the name but I know that there are someone who can control dreams....I can't fully control mine, i think it's just instinct in my case...
... I had this dream where I was falling off a building..this often happens to me, before I automatically wake up when I felt that I was about to hit the ground but as this dream occurs the nth time I was able to tell that it's a dream and automatically I thought of another place and just like that I found myself standing in another place...
..the problem with this is I can't remember the second part of that dream, it's like as soon as I got myself off of the first scene and into the next one my dream is like turned off...what do you guys/gals think of that?
Random Havoc
09-20-2006, 10:07 PM
Can you possibly give me credible articles on this Dream Walkers? I still don't believe it, its eems totally sci-fi to me at the moment.
And yeah, if you have links to how to practice beinga lucid dreamer that would be awsome.
Lenne
09-21-2006, 12:35 AM
LOL, interesting topic!
able to control what you dream about in dreams? well, i for one dont think i am one of them^^; i can be thinking about something, and occasionally i dream about it, but other times i dream of completely unexpected things, like, thoughts of someone i havent thought about for the longest time or something.
SoundWave
09-21-2006, 12:54 AM
Umm.. I dunno about this.. But yea I can change stuff in my dreams.. I rarely remember what I dream about though.. it's just small fragments that I actually remember I guess.. It's really weird.. Cuz When I wake up I remember most of what I dreamt about, but after like 20mins it starts to fade away.. Once I dreamt that I was dreaming.. I can't remember everything.. It was really freaky.. I dreamt that I was lucky luke and that I wanted to wake up cuz I knew that I was dreaming, but for some reason I couldn't wake up.. something like that.. I dunno if I'm a lucid dreamer.. I can change the stuff I want to change.. I can't just manipulate something cuz I feel like it.. when I was a kid I used to have nightmares quite often, but not anymore..
izzuru
09-21-2006, 02:38 AM
I discuss wif my fren about dis thread yesterday...
n she told me she read about dreams before... she says we have different stages of sleep...
one of it is deep stage... when we r in deep stage... we r totally unconcious.. in dis stage.. we cant control our mind... we r disconnected from reality... n float in d dream...
usually... we cant control d dreams when we r in dis stage... we even cant remember it... if u do.. it's just a fragments of d dream... just a small part...
if u can remember ur dreams fully.... den u r in "light stage"... sumthing like dat... at dis stage... u can control ur dreams..
well... i dono if its true or not.. but i really dono about all dis.. dream is just a dream for me..
I see we have non believers here, I don't blame you. I had a hard time believing it too when I first heard about it. But I am as I have said, a Rogue Lucid Dreamer. As for the Dream Walkers, they exist in this world, they're people like us that dream to. They are just in various factions. I could tell you about the factions but I doubt any of you would believe me.
But here it goes anyway.
I know some of the factions in the Night Stalkers but I know more of the Dream Walkers.
Let's see, you start as a normal 'fighter' when you join, you get brought a letter and if you are able to read it you are considered Lucid and are entitled to join. After some years, or weeks, depending on your level you can make it up to the Task Masters, those are the ones that basically give orders to the 'fighters', then you have the Squad leaders, those are in charge of the Task masters and report directly to the the council of Dreams, those guys are supposed to be the strongest of the Dream Walkers, I totally disagree and Sanz knows why...hey Aneki? Those old farts run the joint while the big cat is out.
The leader of the D.W's is basically known as the Dream Master.
For the NightStalkers it's more or less the same except you fight for your position and they have another faction called the 2nd division, crappy bastards the whole lot, bad news if you ever meet any of them.
Their leader...good question...I don't know her name, usually she's called the Witch or my personel favorite, The *****! She's usually escorted around by two of the 2nd division, one guy about 20, my age and a girl about 18 or so...
You lot don't need to believe me, this is what I know from my experiance with being lucid for the last 15 years.
izzuru, your friend is right, that is how it works, but I don't know that much about it, when you're five you don't care much for that, you just find your dreams interisting and fun. You should ask Sanzora, she actually knows alot more about about that than me.
Random Havoc, are you kidding me? You think if I could find creadible papers on the D.W's I would have started this thread alot earlier?
If I could I would, until I do you'll just have to take my word on this.
izzuru
09-21-2006, 11:09 AM
hhmmm.....
u pull my curiousity high... how they choose d leader??? will d d.w. or n.s. die??? wat's their main duty??? how to find out if any ppl around u is a n.s. or d.w.???
how can i noe if im a lucid dreamer??? is there any law in d dream world??? can 1 kill other in dream???
sherenetms
09-21-2006, 03:06 PM
WOW~! Now that's kind of a puzzle. I never knew of this. And i doubt i understand. What's with all this Dreamland and Nightstalker and Dream Master? I dont quite understand. This thread caught my attention and spark my interest in it. I'm really keen to learn more. If it's ok, can someone please kindly explain to me in a more detailed manner?
I'm not sure if i'm a lucid dreamer. However, i do know that I do control stuff in my dreams, but i also have dreams where i cant control anything. Most of the time i know and is fully aware of what is happening in my dreams. They often come and go depending on what i want...or in other words, it is as my dreams read what is in my mind and just made it the way i want it to be. Example, there's this time when i was dreaming that i was in an aeroplane and i was standing near the window. I thought of parachuting and immediately i'm wearing a parachute and the window i'm standing near turns into a door.
It's kind of funny and sometimes, irony, but it happens and until today, i still dont get why this happens. And even weirder, i sometimes experience déjà vu, especially for dreams that i cant control,...like what i dreamt before actually happened...and it's kinda scary.
@Izzuru : W. Chooi brought an article to school before, regarding what i discuss with you the other day during Bio class. One of her orals was about dreams. You should ask her for the article although i think you've known most of the contents. However, i cant find the article regarding the stages of dreams. It's in a magazine and it even comes with ways on how to interprete your dreams. I remembered reading it somewhere some time ago. And all this also affects the rate of our breathing and heart beat. The deeper you are in your sleep or in other word, the deeper the stage is, the slower your heart beat is. A person can also die while dreaming because the heart beat got so low it eventually stop beating in the end, although such cases are a true rarity.
@NOs: that is why sometimes it is advisable for people who want to analyze their dreams to have a notebook or paper and pen ready by their bedside so that they can record their dreams into it the moment they wake up.
Laughinmanrsx
09-21-2006, 03:09 PM
Im still a rookie. I can be conscious while sleeping though.
Nicole
09-21-2006, 03:36 PM
Hmm... for me it's very random. Like, if I'm having a nightmare for example, it'll dawn on me, in the dream, that I am dreaming, so I consciously do something to get myself out of the dream. (Kill myself, or wake myself up, or something). And sometimes I'll control my actions in the dream, but not the whole dream itself. It doesn't happen too often, though.
urusai!
09-23-2006, 03:42 AM
I don't know really. In most of my dreams, I am fully aware that I'm dreaming and therefore everything that I expect to happen happens... other times I can't so... *shrug*
Hattori
09-23-2006, 03:57 AM
I've done it once.
SlimsMcGee
09-23-2006, 05:15 AM
I have had many lucid dreams in my life. All of which I could always make my self fly, glyde, float, or drift. I guess this is a sign that if I could do anything abnormal in the world it would be to defy gravity..
Random Havoc
09-23-2006, 01:42 PM
Weather or not what your saying is true Lex, either way that is some crazy shit!! One major thing that spikes my curiosity is, what do you mean by "if you meet then, your in big trouble". How the hell can your dreams be... dangerous? Also, these "fighters", what are some of there tasks? If your basically on the job when your sleeping, hell doesn't that make sleeping just as stressesome as say real life? Or since nothing physical is in the dream world, you can't feel tired, pain, frustrated, etc. I would be very curious to know that.
Now here is a pickle of a question I have for you. Last night I had a dream. Now it doesn't help that I don't remember anything specific, but here goes anyways. I dreamt I saw someone that I thought looked familiar and somehow I realized I was sleeping. No pinching or some crazy thing happening to me to make me realize, I just somehow knew. (That is the second time in my life it's happened to me, twice this year). I immediately thought of doing something insane, next thing I knew I was flying. I don't think I had much control of what I was doing. I think I went up verticaly and I think everything looked as if it was the Grand Canyon or something. Then I landed saw someone else that seemed familiar and suddenly I though: "Wow, I can do anything, but I have no idea what to possibly do!!". At this point I think I either woke up, feel into another sleep, or osmething else I have no memories.
Now here's my question:
Am I a lucid dreamer for being able to control my dreams or did I dream about being able to control my dreams?
See the difference? This convo spiked my curiosity so maybe I was pondering too much on it and it stayed in my mind. And since I think dreams are a reflection of the state of mind, maybe I dreamt about this topic here.
So which is it, did I dream about being lucid or was I actually lucid? That's the pickle.
Sanzora
09-23-2006, 03:27 PM
Roykia, a lot of people find that when they gain lucidity, they struggle to stay asleep and wake up, so you could have the makings of a lucid dreamer ;)
Izzuru, your friend is right about the different dream stages. The deep sleep you talk about is known as REM. REM stands for Rapid Eye movement, and it relates to your eyes movement through interacting to what you see in your dreams. It is hard to learn to control your mind in this state, but it is possible.
An exercise for everyone wanting to learn how to lucid dream or even just clain that you don’t dream, start a dream journal. Even if something seems out of place or minimal, write EVERYTHING down. The more you try to remember, the more you will. All you need to do I go to bed with the thought ‘I will remember my dream in the morning.’ I started trying this and at first recorded minimal dreams that I had once a week. Now I can remember up to three dreams a night, one of which I normally control.
On the question of how to tell who’s a DW in reality, it’s hard. I recognized one from being chased down by him, except he didn’t recognize me (thank goodness…) He was/is a Nightstalker. Even told me so thinking I would take it as a joke. It’s odd…
Random Havoc, let me put it this way: your dreams are your unconscious and subconscious, which ultimately is what your consciousness relies on to function. It’s your mind in basically it’s raw form… If you run into a NS per say, and they don’t like you, they are in your subconscious universe. They kill you in a dream, the damage is a little more than physical because your mind takes the shock, so you can no longer function normally in a conscious capacity.
The book I read was ‘Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming’ – Stephen Laberge
Also, here’s a few links:
This site has some forums to help :)
http://www.dreamviews.com/learnable.php
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dreams-faq/lucid-dreaming-faq/
Interesting letter:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050805.html
One of the best:
http://ld4all.com
Good luck to anyone who wants to try ;)
sherenetms
09-23-2006, 04:56 PM
Ahhh...that clears things up. At least it's understandable now. I never knew about lucid dreamers until i came across this thread.
izzuru
09-23-2006, 05:48 PM
oh..
i get it now...
now i'm relly curious about it...
is there more info about it???
sephiroth454
09-24-2006, 07:23 AM
mmmm im sort of a lucid dreamer but it also seems like sometimes some of the stuff i dream comes true :eek:. Then again I dont realized that i dreamed it until it acutally happens in real life and then im like damn i knew this already
raisins
09-25-2006, 07:03 AM
*shivers*
from what i read lucid dreaming seems to be just aware of your dreams or controlling your dreams. but why would you meet other lucid dreamers? i've always thought dreams are like personal and what our mind thinks or dreams and somehow does not connect to another people. but here somehow it seems like dreams are juat one dimension where we enter when we dream.
Sanzora
09-25-2006, 05:07 PM
Sephiroth, look up clairevoyance, that's more along the lines of the whole 'De Ja Vu' concept. Glad the links cleared some stuff up
SlimsMcGee
09-27-2006, 07:02 AM
I know that I already discussed this, but has anyone else dreamed that they could just fly? Everytime I can do this, I am in total control of when I want to fly, the knowledge of what I need to do to lift myself from the ground, and even how high I can go before I will get too far off from the earth's atmosphere. The weirdest part about all of this is that I can actually feel it. It's too bad that the knowledge of what inertia I need to fly leaves me once I am awake. I have also astral planed before. But that is totally different, it is an out of body experience, where you slightly disconnect from your body and can see yourself and everything thats going on as you appear to still be sleeping. If anybody has done this before, please come out and discuss. I have a lot to say about it...
Sanzora
09-27-2006, 12:32 PM
You have a lot to discuss about the Astral Travel or the Flying thing? I have flown before, though not for very long periods of time. Lex does it often... Pity she's not around at the moment. :(
On a seperate note:
Will the bloody DW who's bugging Lex and I about this thread please ID themselves in front of everyone else so that you can explain what you actually do!!!
Alienor
09-27-2006, 10:20 PM
Hum... I used to be a lucid dreamer, btu somehow, these last years, I've been making less and less dreams overall and bad dreams in particular, to the point that I never have bad dreams anymore, and therefore don't feel the need to change the course of my dreams, so over a year or so, it stopped...
You people should try and read Dreamland, if you can read French. It's a french manga about people who while in their dreams overcome their phobia. They then become lucid dreamers called "travelers", and they gain a power linked to the fear they overcame... It's very interesting... Too bad it's probably not out where you are, we're only on volume 2 here...
Lalena
09-27-2006, 10:51 PM
Well, actually, I read about this phenomia a few times before, and will admit that I have done before in my short life. For example, I always had this same dream since I was six years of age, and I could control whatever I wanted inside of it, other than that instance, that's only lucid I've had so far.
SlimsMcGee
09-28-2006, 02:17 AM
Alienator reminded me of a french movie starring Ron Pearlman called city of lost children. This was, as well, a movie based on dreams. Is that some french thing, to be all about dreams. Or is this just two random instances of the same subject?
Icestorm
09-28-2006, 03:10 AM
Last night I had one of my normal nightmares in which I am tortured and such.. at this stage I was hanging from a clasp over a cliff with jagged rocks.. and the clasp was slowly coming undone.. normal enough scenario for me.. but then suddenly I was also aware of a dangerous presence in my dream, how you say? I have no idea I just knew.. and suddenly to my amazement the clasp was pulled up by my own dream and I was sat ontop of the cliff.. I saw a shadow and it seems as though he was trying to fight off my nightmare from consuming him completly.. my dream was warping itself in an attempt to 'kill' the intruder.. the ground its self shifting up to crush him.. all I could make out was a shadow of a person though.. and in the end it did indeed grab him in this giant fist and he was consumed into the ground.. I awoke then..
would I be right to asume that, that could have been another persons presence in my dream.. one of these "Night stalkers"?
Z-man
09-28-2006, 03:40 AM
Nope I can't but I wish I could. I always conplain to myself why I'm always scared at things that areen't scary on my dream. If i could I would be a God in my dream !!!!
dragoneyes001
09-28-2006, 05:37 AM
Sometime I wish I could forget my dreams...try concentrating a bit before going to sleep...I'm really interisted to see if there is anyone else that has this ability...I feel like a freak sometimes!
You control everything in the Dream, your surroundings, yourself, anything. Put something in a dream, take it away...I've been at it for so long I can't really explain it to well...give me an hour and I'll get back to you, I have Plant science now.
yup can do the same thing as well.
its also why i never have nightmares even though some of my past experiences should be causing them.
its pretty simple to create what you need according to where and when you are during the dream. your actually altering the content so it suites your purposes.
BeeCrest
09-28-2006, 07:21 PM
The closest I've come to controlling my dreams is knowing I'm dreaming, but I could never alter my surroundings.
This summer was very unique for me since nearly every single night I could remember my dreams. Generally I'll remember a few dreams a week, but lose recollection within 5 minutes of waking up. What happens in my dreams seem to be random as well. Only on a few occasions have my dreams reflected what was on my mind during the day (minus those 4 FSN dreams I still don't get >_> ) I was also able to identify my REM (er, mostly) during the summer because for weeks I'd wake up at 3:00 - 4:00 am right in the middle of a dream. Once or twice I tried to control my dreams, but didn't get very far. I haven't bothered to concentrate on practicing ever since.
Fauthal
09-28-2006, 07:25 PM
For those that don't know what a lucid Dreamer is here it is, it's a person that can control their dreams fully. Just wondering if there are any other people out there that have this ability.
I'm interested to know so let me...and yes I am one myself.
Yes I am a lucid dreamer although I would disagree that total control is the definitive requirement. I have never achieved total control. You ask for a pie in the dreaming and your likely to get hit with one. Granted it's a level of control but there is always influence. ALso my day job has drained my ability steadily for years I haven't had a solid session in years come to think of it. It's nice though when I can wake up in one. Do you use a trigger? Anyway cool meeting ya.
dragoneyes001
09-29-2006, 01:05 AM
the trick i find to altering dreams the easiest is not to concentrate on the attempted alteration, in other words the less you force it the more likely your success as well as less chance of pulling yourself out of the dream state.
simply thinking something you'd like to be there would be a neat addition will result in almost instant change while thinking that some item must be there will probably wake you up.
but the more you do little changes the easier it is to get large ones to occur they all follow the same principle you just have to be confident enough to know that anything you want can be achieved.
lets look at the most common dream: "the falling dream"
say while your sleeping you become aware of your dream and your falling from some item with the smallest effort you can alter the dream to become directional flight through a fantastic maze of objects, by the time you realise it your not going down but in all directions at will. with a small amount of suggestion it can become a panoramic voyage. the limitations are those of your immagination.
the same can be done with any type of dreams.
Random Havoc
09-29-2006, 03:09 AM
You may call that the common dream, but honest to god I've never had such a dream before. About falling that is. And I used to be petrified of heights if it means anything.
dragoneyes001
09-29-2006, 03:35 AM
You may call that the common dream, but honest to god I've never had such a dream before. About falling that is. And I used to be petrified of heights if it means anything.
its concidered common because its the number one reported dream.
no other dream has as many people who have said to have had them.
Fauthal
09-29-2006, 03:29 PM
One of the easiest methods to achieve dreamscape changes or add items is to add a visual distraction to allow your ming to make the change. Such and waving your arm in front of your eyes. As your hand passes the changes small or large will be there it works the best. The fact is your subcon will always influence your change so you don't really get too specific or you will pull out of the dream. Too much Alpha activity will snap you out but too little and you can't stay awake. It's a sweet spot. I like flying in my dreams but I have to stay in that perfect zone. I usually can't maintain for too long. Also try throwing up a portal just like in a game and running through it. Think about where you want it to lead and you'll be there. Be warned you may also end up where you don't want to be. Bwahaha
Askand
10-02-2006, 07:27 AM
I used to have nightmares whereI was being chased by something. When I grew up I got the face of demons and monsters. until the weird nightmare where Satan got me and took my heart out the dream was so vivid that the pain woke me up. Since that dream I have some few more nightmares until it stops. I don;t know if I shut it down but I can feel myself incomplete sometimes. Am I a lucid dreamer?
I see this thread is getting alot of attention all of the sudden since I've been away, well...I also see Sanz can handle it quite well from here in case I don't manage to get back from having no internet!
I see there are quite a few of you that have the 'gift' of dream walking.
Sure you can sense another dreamer and what not during the day but you need to know them, as in have met them before. There's a guy in my varsity that is quite the pain when it comes to this...I know who he is in the Dream World, he calls himself Vallen but here I don't have a clue...but yeah, I stay away from him, too much bad blood between me and the other Lucid Dreamers.
Someone asked how they pick a leader...I don't know, all I know is that they are the strongest and are a force to be reckoned with...unless you know what you're doing.
N.S and the D.W's are facinating groups but I would suggest staying away from them until you actually know you're doing in the Dream World.
Go rogue, much more fun and you don't have the various jerks after you.
Oh one more thing, since I know for a fact that there is a D.W on this site I'd like a message to be carried for me to Midelle, LAY OFF OLD MAN, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU AND YOUR LOYALTY CRAP!
Anyway, back to anyone else who has something to say!
Fauthal
10-03-2006, 02:19 PM
I used to have nightmares whereI was being chased by something. When I grew up I got the face of demons and monsters. until the weird nightmare where Satan got me and took my heart out the dream was so vivid that the pain woke me up. Since that dream I have some few more nightmares until it stops. I don;t know if I shut it down but I can feel myself incomplete sometimes. Am I a lucid dreamer?
No brother but you have some serious issues. You are in dire need of some spiritual protection. Send me a private message we can talk about it some more.
Fauthal
10-03-2006, 02:47 PM
Hiya Lex,
Uh....I'm not sure about which clubs and societies your talking about per se. The astral realm is..mmm..pretty big. But I would say you've leapt right out of the "Lucid Dreamer" category right onto the full blown Astral landscaping category with nothing in between. LOL Just sayin' brother. Your clearly talented and have been active for awhile. I would actually love to discuss it more with you because my focus has gone to crud for the last five years. (sigh) Mundane jobs are scary. Anyway best of luck dream well. Oh and best advice to potential walkers from me anyway. Ditch the alarm clock whenever possible, and auto hypnosis basically implant a trigger in you mind every night before sleeping. Tie a word to an image, and tie both to the awareness that your sleeping and you want to take control. Don't think of waking up, think of being aware. When you realize your sleeping perform a specific action. I personally perform a physical motion and slam my hand on the surface, and freeze my current dream. Then I leave it through a door. This is a bit advanced actually but you get the idea. The reason it's advanced is not because it's complicated but the effect is huge. Freezing a dream is not easy it wants to keep changing. The dream is fluid and wants to change, it wants to move and your subcon is always feeding the fire. You focus will always waver so having an objective is sometimes critical. This objective can be small. I need to get back into the Astral directly, thanks for broaching the subject Lex. Maybe I'll see you there.
Brother? Oh boy here we go again, I'm a chick! The next person that calls me a boy...oh well, not too much harm done.
Fauthal, I like what you think, interesting, you seem to know more or less what is going on.
I got my Lucidity though suffering from Slow Sleep Insomnia, which I find worse than Insomnia.
I've sleep really badly, unable to fall asleep in the first few minute of closing my eyes, it takes up to two hours before I can finally shut down.
And I agree on alarm clocks, and mothers that put your light on!
You know the feeling when you suddenly wake up, that half sick feeling you get to your stomach or even a head ache? That's what happens when you get disturbed in a dream, minor brain disturbance, not fun.
Oh and Fauthal, we might already have met...depends on what you call yourself out there...
Fauthal
10-05-2006, 02:01 PM
[QUOTE=Lex]Brother? Oh boy here we go again, I'm a chick! The next person that calls me a boy...oh well, not too much harm done.
:o Well you have to admit; along with a male avatar and the unisex name of Lex your asking for trouble. Sorry though :biggrinlo. I doubt we have met, although it is remotely possible, there are a couple "events" I have attended before around this time of year but for the most part I haven't done much interacting...with er people. Looonnnnggg story that! Hoping to change that very soon I just need to kick someones but around the block first, and a small army, and the bindings. :/ grrrrr ( I have a headache)
P.S. Look for a rose garden
Lucki
10-06-2006, 07:44 PM
I LOVE LUCID DREAMING!!!!!!! Its soooo much fun ^__^ i only do that like one a month but woohooo when i can!!!! Like best dreams ever but with better graphics!!!!!!! mwahahahahaha
Its is sooo much fun escpecially choosing outfits and settings!!! also when you get to fly and throw someone around really easily, also when you just think hard you can create your own place or story to live, well the closest i shall get to my desires!! mwahahahaha FUN. Definatly good for releiving stress. I find if i do it to much or lose control things go really weird.
MasterWordSmith
10-07-2006, 09:37 AM
hehe, most people I ask about this look at me like im a demon xD
but yes, I can fully control my dreams. I've been able to do it as long as I can remember. And though i dont like to admit, being in control of your dreams as a teenager leads to...well you know xD
Lucki
10-07-2006, 10:01 AM
:o leads to????? dun dun dunn
Mercurius
10-07-2006, 10:02 AM
@lex: hmm..I cant't do it as good U say that U can control U're dreams...but normally I can control my dream always to some degree, and Sometimes (when I lay in a right position, atleast as far as I've understood that's when I get dreams or easier to dream, Usually when I awake I'm on my back) then I can control them fully...It's usually really fun ^_^
Megalomania
10-08-2006, 02:13 PM
All lucid dreamers: do you wake with headaches? A seeming fever? a pulsing forehead?
Do you feel short of breath? Are you sweating?
I'm just curious.
Lucki
10-08-2006, 02:26 PM
hahahahahaa when i wake up from a lucid dream i am fine, sometimes when i lose control of the dream or when it goes weird. i wake up in a really strange state where i cant actually wake up properly and i go to this thing where i am half awake but cant move. That may be just be though ^_^
Megalomania
10-08-2006, 11:52 PM
Is it your motor functions that are problematic, or your mental functions?
Problems when waking up? Not really, only when your Lucid Dream is disturbed, like an alarm clock, I thought we discussed this already? It messes with your head sometimes. Email me if you want more info, I got class.
2005120056@student.uovs.ac.za
I'm an expert because I've been doing this for 15 years! And I'm only turning 20!
sounds pretty interesting, but i was never aware of my dreams. not paying alot of attention altho sometimes its weird. i dream stuff that really happens to a later time. it's like having a deja-vu just kinda the other way around. i remember having seen places in my dreams where i have never been before in reality and yet it seems so familiar once i'm really there. i remember having seen people and heard what they've said.... however usually it's just fragments.
maybe it's just a coincidence tho
Devonian
10-11-2006, 03:00 AM
I am also a lucid dreamer, I have been fully aware of my dreams for my entire life, or at least as far as my memory goes anyway. Though I've only been able to fully control my dreams since I was 8. Though I have had the precognition dreams since I was about 10 not knowing so until later. Precognative dreams are a lot like what deto describes. For example when I was 14 and just starting my German classes in high school I had a dream of looking out upon a Bastion looking above was an overcast sky, below lay a small town. To my left was a sign though I could barely make out the pictures on the sign, than in the dream I looked behind myself to see a castle. Though I didn't know what the dream was until when I was 18 my last summer before college, my family and I took a trip to Germany. More specifically Nurnberg in Bavaria at Kaiserberg. Kaiserberg being the name of the castle, I stood in the exact same location the main bastion of the castle, on the exact same overcast day the sign was describing the types of rocks in the region mainly the sand stone that was used as a foundation for the castle, and the nearby granite used in its construction, and every detail was the same as in my dream 4 years earlier down to the temperature, and breeze. I have several of these dreams that come true in real life almost exactly the same as the dream beforehand, and to similar to be mere coincedence.
Anyhow back to the topic at hand there have been times when I've expierenced everything mentioned on this thread, and indeed I must ask has anyone actually remained in a dream after getting killed within that same dream? Because this has happened to me at least 2-3 times to my recollection.
I had a weird dream this morninig I was working in a brown building the second of a pair the inside was like an organism spongy tissue and clear fluid I assumed was water. Within this building I was being trained as an agent. To get into my classroom I had to scan three barcodes one on a sign one on a badge and the last on my forearm. Once inside the classroom we sat in theatre style on padded chairs the type you'd find at you local convention center or for college students your student union building. However I'm not in school right now. Anyhow a screen was running and the video playing had us match certain things from the screen to our manuals or textbooks. I wasn't paying much attention to the trainning video, instead I was talking to woman in the seat behind me in a low whisper almost. It didn't make any sense, because at that point I was in the third person witnessing these events. Unfortunately half way through the lesson myself and the woman I was talking to were called out of the room, and onto the roof of the building. Which I had to transform into a flat surface from the pyramid it had been when I entered the building. So we both leave the room and scan the three bar codes again to do so, than we get into the elevator and it takes us from floor 25 or 26 to the roof, we exit to find two people on the roof other than ourselves. an older woman with a riding crop and one of those old fashioned WWI style general's uniforms the ones with the ridiculously rounded pants. the man is in normal suit and tie and leaveas as soon as myself and the woman from the same class as I are near the middle of the roof on the right side. The old lady in the WWI uniform walks up to me and both of us stand at attention, than the old lady takes the riding crop and whips me with it sayiong where is the case we know you know where it is. I answer: I don't know (I'm now in the first person while this happens.). The old lady than hits me three times repededly with the crop, and I can feel the crop hit me though there are no whelts on my skin, and I hear the crop make contact with me. Than the old lady says don't you play stupid with me. and she hits me again, than she draws a pistol points it me and says tell me or you die. I say again I don't know anything about any case,so the old lady begins pulling the trigger and suddenly an akwardly shaped object zooms out of the sky and lands, and there are two strange looking animals in it. One jumps out and bits the old lady's pinky the old lady drops the pistol and tries to shake the animal off. I simply raise my hand like I was grasping and invisible basket ball sized sphere. the animal lets go of the old lady's pinky and leaps back into the object it emerged from and attacks the other animalboth animals pull out some sort of gun and shoot each other both disappear in a cloud of smoke, and next thing I know I'm forced out to third person again, and am on a radio saying that the old lady needs a class 5 anti- extraterrestrial parasite prolitheration shot, and saying I have captured an alien ship and two alien weapons intact. Than I turn to the woman from my class and start explaining sherlock holmes style how elementary it was to know that the aliens were hostile and that the old lady was a double agent for some rival organization. After that it is black for a few minutes and I wake up.
So my qeustion is was anyone else present in the building, the class, or the woman that I was talking to. Or did anyone witness these events in the third person? If so please tell me.
However does anyone else find this as weird as I do? Well anything in this particular dream.
:eek13:
dragoneyes001
10-11-2006, 03:05 AM
All lucid dreamers: do you wake with headaches? A seeming fever? a pulsing forehead?
Do you feel short of breath? Are you sweating?
I'm just curious.
nope never have any of those issues with simple dreaming.
Cheryl
10-11-2006, 05:30 AM
Lucid Dreams? I've never heard of that term before. But I've had dreams before in which I am aware that I AM in a dream, and try to do things I'd never ever do. Like jump in the air and fly. And acquire shoes that allow you to jump REALLY high. Because I love to fly! :D Um. In my dreams, I mean. And there was once I was in a dream and suddenly I realised that WHOA I'M DREAMING RIGHT NOW! It's very cool XDD
Megalomania
10-11-2006, 08:38 AM
How long do you lucid dreamers sleep for, and how long would you say your dreams are?
Sanzora
10-13-2006, 10:25 AM
However does anyone else find this as weird as I do? Well anything in this particular dream.
:eek13:
Lol. Nothing is ever wierd in a dream sense my friend...
On headaches when waking, sure I have then sometimes, though as Lex says it's normally when I was interupted in the middle of a dream.
Arekkusu
10-13-2006, 12:08 PM
I dream every night. Sometimes very immersive dreams too. I can control my dreams if I realize I'm dreaming, but usually in my dreams, no matter how absurd the situation, it feels like it's real.
I have a very active imagination, so I reallllly wish I could be a lucid dreamer. Is it possible to train yourself to be able to?
Sanzora
10-13-2006, 06:56 PM
I have a very active imagination, so I reallllly wish I could be a lucid dreamer. Is it possible to train yourself to be able to?
In fact it is :) Look a few pages bac and check out some of the links I posted... I think it was on page 2 or 3
Lucki
10-13-2006, 07:51 PM
does any other lucid dreamer lose control and get hurt???
Elise Lenne Fevout
10-14-2006, 05:44 AM
I wish I could do that, be a lucid dreamer; but my dreams are some sort of mixed and clashing predictions of what's to happen in the near future. I know that I'm dreaming but I can't control myself in my dreams, sometimes I really do feel as I did in my dreams [i.e. as though I've been kicked in the shins, I'll wake up with the area a bit pink], I just watch from afar as I feel "myself" going through the events and different happenings.
TenkiStar Owns You
10-14-2006, 03:23 PM
I have had very few, isolated incidents of lucidity in the past and unfortunately, haven't been having / remembering my dreams much these past two years. I had one experience with astral projection a couple of years ago which left me very curious, however it hasn't happened again. I remember in that dream I was laying on my bed and opened my eyes to see an object (kinda looked like a small round shield) with some sort of complicated sigil on it. It seemed to act as some sort of mental key because at that point, I felt myself leaving and started floating up to the ceiling rather quickly. Once I hit the ceiling, however, I panicked and woke up, feeling a bit disjointed. Haven't been able to remember the key-design or have a similar experience since. I definitely do want to study lucid dreaming and astral projection, but haven't been able to find the time in everything... I'd like to hear more about the experiences of dreamers here... perhaps chat in PM?
Oh and a side note for all the dreamers and those interested in lucid dreaming, check out the movie "Waking Life". I think you might find it of interest. :)
Sanzora
10-15-2006, 10:52 AM
Xaimai, yes, I have gotten hurt in a dream from losing control. My question, do any other Lucid Dreamers bring wounds to the waking world?
@Tenkistar, thanks for that movie suggestion. Sound like something I deffinately have to check out!
Lucki
10-15-2006, 12:07 PM
OMGSH yess totally ouch!!!!! i found blood on my neck, a bruise on my hand and once i woke up not being able to breath because i had a blanket wrapped around my neck and i was pulling it. That isnt way way way weird is it???
Munky
10-16-2006, 12:25 AM
NOTICE: What I am about to tell is TRUE.
When I was like 10 years old, I dreamed about sucking someones blood through their neck. Vampire like dream... guess what? The next day I woke up finding my mother and sister screaming when they found me on the kitchen floor with dried up blood on my shirt coming from my mouth.
That is no lie.
I cant control my dreams, but somehow I can sometimes bring em to real life
Icestorm
10-16-2006, 08:49 AM
nope never have any of those issues with simple dreaming.
your crazy if you think that lucid dreaming is simple. Lucid dreaming is anything but simple.. its very complex as i have found out in a short time.. according to both sides of the walkers im a prodigy.. and they want me on there sides.. that in itself is bad
Evanesque
10-16-2006, 12:59 PM
For those that don't know what a lucid Dreamer is here it is, it's a person that can control their dreams fully. Just wondering if there are any other people out there that have this ability.
I'm interested to know so let me...and yes I am one myself.
Are you talking about day-dreaming or the normal dreaming when asleep? Day-dreaming can of course be controlled, well I know I can control it.
I guess it is possible to control night dreams, maybe if you are a light sleeper.
There are people who are partially asleep, meaning part of their bodies are asleep while the other's are awake and fully aware of what is going on...such people are those who sleeptalk and/or sleepwalk. They may also be able to control dreams, or so I think.
candyb3ar
10-17-2006, 12:37 AM
i have been able to on occassion its not a usual occuring thing i can do though
TenkiStar Owns You
10-17-2006, 01:22 AM
I've actually been practicing being more aware of my dreams since this thread came up and I'm really surprised at how much of a difference there is. I had stopped remembering the majority of my dreams a while back (about a year and a half ago), but now I seem to remember at least one a day. I have some moments where I'm verging on lucidity like I realize it's a dream but usually that consciousness either slips away or the entire dream does before I get to really enjoy it. But hey, progress!
I was wondering, amongst the dreamers here, is there anyone who can pull other people into lucidity? I remember reading about that online and I was wondering how exactly someone would work that?
Sanzora
10-17-2006, 09:26 AM
Hey Tenkistar, well done on the progress. See, told yo's it works ^_^ Key word: Focus. If you ever feel the dream slipping awaay I find that closing your eyes and taking a deep breath normally helps, or try holding onto something like an 'anchor' of sorts. A major problem with the first few times is that one normally gets excited at the fact of controlling a dream, so if you calm yourself down and focus on the experience rather than get hyper about it you'll stay in control longer :) Also, try focusing on something you would like to do before you go to sleep. When you gain lucidity, do it! This also helps because if you gain lucidity without a goal you're sort of 'What now?', and that can very easily lead to your being sucked back into the dream.
On someone pulling someone else to lucidity, it is posible, though I myself don't know how to do it... Maybe email Lex? I think she might be able to help.
Sorry I haven't been around to chat to any of you on this but I see my sister is doing a fine job! Thanks Sanz, you're a life saver. I will read all of this when my tests are done and get back to all of you!
BTW, Ice, well done! You're getting better, just hang in there, the N.S and the D.W's can only bug you so much before you snap and wipe them out!
Sanzora
10-17-2006, 03:13 PM
Sorry BTW, Ice, well done! You're getting better, just hang in there, the N.S and the D.W's can only bug you so much before you snap and wipe them out!
Lol! Why does that not seem to sound as encouraging as I think you mean it to...? :p
Devonian
10-18-2006, 01:53 AM
How long do you lucid dreamers sleep for, and how long would you say your dreams are?
Well it depends, with me in addition to being in complete control of my dreams usually. I am in close to complete control over my depth of sleep, and the amount of time I will sleep. Though right now I work evenings and so I am able to sleep usually about 10 hours, and I can be dreamming for that entire time and have to ease myself out of my dreams when I want to wake up or they will last 8 hours and the rest will be deep dreamming which I can't fully recall yet. Though anytime my dream doesn't last the entire time it will be a black void if I try to remeber what happened.
In regards to getting hurt sometimes I wake up with unexplaneable scars, bruises, or scabs the next morning which worn't there when I went to sleep. Though more often if I get injured in my dreams the pain from the injury will be with me the next day, but no marks are present.
I had another dream last night involving many people so if any of you wish to know about it, or compare expierinces if you were possibly there PM me or ask for my e-mail address
Late Splinter
10-18-2006, 02:27 AM
I can’t control my dreams, but I can bring my dreams into the real world for a short period of time. My dreams are completely opposite to lucid dreaming, because I’m unable to differentiate between the waking world and the dream world. This normally occurs when I come out of a dream. I hallucinate and see things that aren’t there. It scares me sometimes, but I learned to ignore it.
I saw someone asked about carrying injuries across...don't have the name with me at present and I'm short on time at the moment.
Yes you can carry wounds over but I haven't had a serious one before, nose bleeds, bruises and various cut, each varying in depth.
I find that is a serious wound it stays with you alot longer in the Dream World than in the Waking world. As anyone could tell you who has seen me hanging around there, I still have scars from a fight I had almost 4 years ago. Though not much damage was done here I find it difficult to see through the eye on occasions.
Askand
10-21-2006, 02:57 AM
Well guys I need help on this one if someone can pm me I would gladly answer since it confuses me. I been dreaming these last few weeks. Seems nothing important, but in this week can remember if yesterday or the day before. I was getting a nightmare someone was trying to catch me. Yeah I know the same thing. I got awake like always I find myself in danger but the next time I felt asleep I was on a town and suddenly I decided to walk, it was like these old places in Europe, then when I was going to cross the street and old chevy passed with the same guy who was following me in the previous nightmare. I barely heard him saying "Ah I found you I want you with me, come here". I just run but it seems my legs weren't working properly, I was slow, and by the amount of fear I felt was the distance the guy was from me. The greater the fear the shorter the distance. I then desist on running and I was walking, then I just heard him crackling and laughing and muttering at the same time. Like he was really searching for me. Once I thought of give up and letting him get me, but I was so terrified that I kept walking until I got so feed up that I got angry and then in the precise moment I woke up. Strangely, when I decided to go back to sleep again I felt the man's presence like if he was waiting for me to catch me. I had to woke up seriously. I washed my face and stay like 10 minutes awake before I went back to sleep. *sighs* Is the first nightmare in months. I really need some help. I havent dream anything else that I can recall of. Thanks in advance.
*bows respectfully*
Megalomania
10-21-2006, 03:12 AM
Anyone who says they they carry injuries across, should think about what they're saying.
Unless they bite their lip, and make it bleed, there isn't any room for cuts and scrapes.
I used to believe that there was a degree in lucidity in dreams, but now, because most people have claimed that they carry physical effects across, I don't believe in it one bit.
Honestly... it's like you're trying to tell me that you can turn into a lion. :(
Sanzora
10-21-2006, 10:35 PM
Anyone who says they they carry injuries across, should think about what they're saying.
Unless they bite their lip, and make it bleed, there isn't any room for cuts and scrapes.
I used to believe that there was a degree in lucidity in dreams, but now, because most people have claimed that they carry physical effects across, I don't believe in it one bit.
Honestly... it's like you're trying to tell me that you can turn into a lion. :(
I don't know about anyone else in this thread, but I have no reason to ask you to believe in me. :) You're saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's quite possible... And here is my arguement why:
Effectively, the brain controls everything in your body: breathing, blinking eyes, the healing process, everything. In sleep, you are unconscious, but in effect you are even more in synch with your brain than when you are awake because you don't have the limitations of reality dictating to your brain what it should experience next... When you receive a cut in reality, bonds are broken between your cells that force them to seperate, the brain registers that and automaitically sets healing processes into motion. Now, when you receive a wound in the dream world, your mind experiences the full on blow and experiences it as real. It feels real, you can feel it, touch it, see it, smell the blood, so what's to say it isn't? your brain has experienced something by the use of the normal 5 senses, so it's just as real as reality. And so chemical processes are set into motion and the wounds can manifest. Like Lex says, the wounds that manifest in reality may not be as severe or as deep, but they are there.
Late Splinter
10-22-2006, 04:14 AM
That reminds of a eye opening quote someone said to me– “If our perception of reality is based on what we see, smell, hear, taste, or touch. Then reality only exists in our mind.”
Getting hurt in your dreams sound absurd, because that would imply that your body injures itself thinking it’s hurt. When you’re injured in real life, your body doesn’t purposely hurt itself, so why would it in your dream?
blanc.lait
10-22-2006, 07:06 AM
Going little far there. For example in your dream, if you are getting burnt by a oversize frying pan, your body temperature will rise slightly. Why is that? Person knows he/she is burning.. but where is he/she gonna get burned? There is no source.. and therefore injuries across dreams are impossible.
Everything that happens during dream, the impact is not the same. It's very small and weak. people can't gets hurt physically or mentally from a dream.
lol dreamworld sounds pretty weird...
Askand
10-23-2006, 03:39 AM
I may seem to differ with you guys. I got a dream where I was able to get awake by feeling pain. When I woke up I had to hold my chest because the pain was so imbearable. I didnt had scars or wounds physically but if the dream you are having is so real maybe the body can react and produce the hormones that may cause pain, sorrow, or any other feeling that we might have. It's like an involutanry response to an abnormal sitaution where your body becomes aware of the danger ans uses it's sources to keep you safe.
That's my theory so far
Megalomania
10-24-2006, 11:27 AM
I don't know about anyone else in this thread, but I have no reason to ask you to believe in me. :) You're saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's quite possible... And here is my arguement why:
Effectively, the brain controls everything in your body: breathing, blinking eyes, the healing process, everything. In sleep, you are unconscious, but in effect you are even more in synch with your brain than when you are awake because you don't have the limitations of reality dictating to your brain what it should experience next... When you receive a cut in reality, bonds are broken between your cells that force them to seperate, the brain registers that and automaitically sets healing processes into motion. Now, when you receive a wound in the dream world, your mind experiences the full on blow and experiences it as real. It feels real, you can feel it, touch it, see it, smell the blood, so what's to say it isn't? your brain has experienced something by the use of the normal 5 senses, so it's just as real as reality. And so chemical processes are set into motion and the wounds can manifest. Like Lex says, the wounds that manifest in reality may not be as severe or as deep, but they are there.
I'd read up on neurology, and basic biology before posting something like that again. :p
Not saying it was a bad post, because in theory, that could work.
But it's just a theory.
In theory, if I flap my arms hard enough, they might displace the air around me so well that I could fly... but no, that isn't going
What's wrong with your theory is that there are more realistic experiences than dreams which do not harm you.
Look at some hallucogens... you could believe that your hand is missing... but your brain doesn't chop it off, does it?
My friend had a sickness that made him believe he had lost 2 legs in a war. He has never been out of the country, and he's 14 years old.
Did the illusion cut off his legs?
2 years later, and they're intact.
Askand, that would work, if the brain was using neurotransmitters, but that would only affect hormone based functions.
Pain is not one of these. It is electric.
If it was chemical, we would have no motor reflexes.
Now, I'm a little more believing of Lucidity, because I experienced it a little myself.
In a dream, I
1. Realised I was in a dream.
2. Made one choice.
That's pretty much it though, nothing roundbreaking. The choice wasn't even very interactive. Dangit.
Sanzora
10-26-2006, 02:03 PM
I'd read up on neurology, and basic biology before posting something like that again. :p
Not saying it was a bad post, because in theory, that could work.
But it's just a theory.
In theory, if I flap my arms hard enough, they might displace the air around me so well that I could fly... but no, that isn't going
What's wrong with your theory is that there are more realistic experiences than dreams which do not harm you.
Look at some hallucogens... you could believe that your hand is missing... but your brain doesn't chop it off, does it?
My friend had a sickness that made him believe he had lost 2 legs in a war. He has never been out of the country, and he's 14 years old.
Did the illusion cut off his legs?
2 years later, and they're intact.
Askand, that would work, if the brain was using neurotransmitters, but that would only affect hormone based functions.
Pain is not one of these. It is electric.
If it was chemical, we would have no motor reflexes.
Now, I'm a little more believing of Lucidity, because I experienced it a little myself.
In a dream, I
1. Realised I was in a dream.
2. Made one choice.
That's pretty much it though, nothing roundbreaking. The choice wasn't even very interactive. Dangit.
Ok, I can admit when I'm wrong, so I will: according to what you have said I will admit my theory sounds lame, but if seeing is beleiving, I can still prove to myself and one or two people that know me that I know I have in fact brought injuries out of a dream...
Well done on the lucidity btw ;)
Silhouette
10-26-2006, 08:58 PM
My dreams are entirely random. I have absolutely no control over what happens.. The environment & people randomly change in seconds.. I have no idea what's going on. Sometimes, I'll have a full dream, but more often than not, it's random.
However. I realized that I can exit a dream when I want to. I only do this in nightmares. I found that if I close my eyes real hard in a nightmare, that I would wake up. Usually, you wake up just before you die or w/e, but I can wake up when I want to. I haven't done this lately, so I don't know if I still can, or if I just haven't needed to.
I used to run in my nightmares. Run from monsters, murderers, demons, ghosts, etc.. Now I just fight them. So, I guess the eye trick is no longer necessary for me.
I'm a very lucid dreamer, my dreams are either of scary random creation (the majority of them, and they can be outrageously random to just like a movie, they're very vivid and realistic) On occasion I'm also making commentary on my dreams while I'm still asleep, its quite strange but funny xD
In those cases where my mind is awake while I'm still dreaming I sometimes am capable of controlling myself/whoever is in the dream to some degree.
I just wish I knew why I've had so many dreams of the end of the world, random crazy alternate universes, twisted versions of reality, and those very serious/realistic/like a movie/detailed sensual or action dreams over the years O_o
What scares me the most is the times when I've been caught between sleep and awake. One time I started dreaming right when I closed my eyes, then I tried to get up and the dream vanished and everything went black and I thought the air was being sucked outta my lungs and I was being pulled back, then it ended and I was awake again o.o That was very creepy :sad
And those falling sensations... I've had them forever... I must jump up or something because it really feels like I'm falling, I feel like I bounced back onto the bed X_X
Megalomania
10-29-2006, 11:27 AM
Ok, I can admit when I'm wrong, so I will: according to what you have said I will admit my theory sounds lame, but if seeing is beleiving, I can still prove to myself and one or two people that know me that I know I have in fact brought injuries out of a dream...
Well done on the lucidity btw ;)
Don't worry about it, and thanks...
I have had a few, but again, I've only been able to make one choice...
They seem to also revolve around a girl I like... (no, not in that way, I'm past that stage of puberty and maturity... :p )
Hmmm, I'm confident that my fixation with this girl is making me dream... (usually I don't.... that dream I told you about was the first in around 6 years...)
But is she giving me a degree of lucidity? Or is the fact that I haven't dreamt for so long trying to redeem itself with Lucidity...
Or is it just co-incidence...?
It's too hard to determine :p
Sanzora
10-29-2006, 06:01 PM
I think it very well could be co-incidence, maybe just all the thinking about dreams is what triggered you dreaming again ;) Studies have shown that everyone has around 3-4 dreams per night, remembering is the problem most of us face. (And this time I have researched it, there is a college in America where they study things to do with dreams. :) The doctor studying it is an author of one of the books on Lucid Dreaming that I recommended)
The times I have multiple dreams in one night and remember them are always the ones that scare the living daylight out of me/scar me for life X_X
Looks like we have a full blown war here between Sanz and Megalomania, so let ma say this again!
Right in the beginning of this thread I said you don't have to believe what is being said by tha various dreamers that come here to talk. I have personal experiance in most of the things you lot are talking about, call me crazy if you must but I have woken up with bruises and often a bleeding nose, which I never use to get, and I often run into those that call themselfves the Night Stalkers, N.S and the Dream Walkers, D.W...so I say again, believe what you want to believe, I know it is real for I have seen it with my own eye.
Arei, you need to calm down a bit, unless you are actually being threatened in a dream you are quite safe, if you're lucid you must have some control, calm down and use it.
The best of me comes out when I'm pushed into a corner, so I say calm down, think about the situation and think of a way around it, either avoiding or fighting it! Do the best you can.
Askand
10-30-2006, 01:03 PM
Well sometimes I run from my enemies on the dream others is like getting into a weird movie. If I feel so threathen that I can't run I begin to get angry. TO the point that I really turned into a very infuriated and confront the thing is threaten me. Usually is like a wake up call for me since in that moment when I'm about to fight is when I woke up. Since the last the big dream with Satan I havent had anymore big dream where I feel physical pain. Only fear.
Silhouette
10-30-2006, 01:26 PM
I always feel pain in my dreams. It's weird. How does your body know what a gunshot feels like...if you've never been shot before. Same thing for being stabbed with a sword..
Decado
10-30-2006, 01:41 PM
^ as above - same
well the pain u feel is prob only wat u think it'll feel like - so ur sensory perceptions emulate it. if we've never been pierced by a blade we never really know if the feeling is absolutely equivalent to the dream.
but i know wat u mean..
ie/ when i slip and fall in my dream and hit the ground, i get the same feeling of the hit to my side shoulder area as i would when i was awake. however obviously the feeling lasts only long enough to feel it as an after-affect...
It's interesting most of you people feel so strongly. True most people don't know what it feels like to be shot or stabbed but your mind has an idea of how it might feel.
Been shot and stabbed several times and each time it is agonising in the dream but not once in the waking world have I felt such pain. I have no idea how to actually explain it except to say it's in your subconscious
When I was going to a bad time of dreaming I got into a habbit of hunting people in the dreams. Not that I really wanted to but my lucidity was shot because I was on sleeping pills. Some how I had gotten it into my mind it was alright to hunt and devour humans, a few very strange nights I must say, but what got me was that I really got annoyed when they managed to escape me. Strange nightmares on wanting to be a werewolf, hey, not all of us can control it all of the time!
Silhouette
11-01-2006, 08:46 PM
lmao. Yeah, I used to be a murderer in my dreams.. *coughs* Couldn't really control it, and yes, it did piss me off when my prey got away from me.. =_="
Captain Hitsugaya
11-04-2006, 02:33 AM
Here is my dream logs:
2001-Present
Mostly in my dreams I can control the ability to fly multiple times, but some nights its hard, takes a lot of mind power it seems but I still can pull it off. I'm too lazy to control to my whole dream, I would like to see how my dreams goes when I have them, So the only thing I control is flight to explore my dream world.
Around 2003-2004
One of the weirdest dreams I had, and I couldn’t control anything not even flight. I was walking in a dark ally; The sky was red, gloomy clouds with millions of different numbers and ancient runes flying around. It defies all the normal dream physics I had, with the floor in all degrees, While I was walking the ground flipped and some voice saying something in an unknown language. Following with few numbers in English. After that the voice continues and said “let see if you remembers, prepare to wipe everything you see and hear from this dream.” Then I forced myself awake to write down half of those numbers 3 out of 6 I remembered. (Out of dream world: I bought a lottery with those 3 numbers with my random picks got 4th place)
Around 2004
Another weird dream, I couldn’t control anything. In a dark room a weak voice called out the following phases “Kill me please, my life is too painful to continue any further” after that I had in my hand a gun like weapon, and I granted the person’s wish and shot it in the head. (Out of dream world: I woke up and got out for school I saw an ambulance parked at the build I lived in and pushed someone into the ambulance on a stretcher..
I dont think I've ever had a dream about being shot or stabbed o.o When I "die" in my dreams it always is falling/being sucked into some never ending darkness where I feel like my soul is being sucked out of me o.o I usualy wake up at this point, it really frightens me o.o I think I'd rather be stabbed/shot in my dreams then go through that because it feels so real =X
I have the falling sensations alot and one time I remember falling down a cliff and really feeling like I was hitting against stuff and having the wind knocked out of me =X
Dying is a bad idea to do in a dream, it affects you subconsciously. Pain's pain, you get use to after a while, you eventually get use to saying to yourself, it's a dream, I control my pain, I can force pain on someone else to survive.
Captain Hitsugaya, well I must say you are so far one of the few people here that keep dream diaries, I bow to you.
I've been keeping one on randomn dreams for only 2 years, I have seperate one for a continoius dream I've been having for four years.
Dairies really help a newbie Lucid Dreamer, espesially if your getting lucid for the first time. You can maps areas, buildings and even people. I once had a dream where the road was blocked but I couldn't get around it, I spent the whole night trying to find a way around it. When I came to that dream again, recently, I knew which way to take to get around the blocked road, try it out. Trust me it helps.
Captain Hitsugaya
11-07-2006, 10:50 PM
Yep, the diaries are stored in my head.
What kind of dreamer are you if you dreamed that someone died in your dream and it happen in real life also?
konberry
11-11-2006, 04:17 AM
not sure...mmm... I've had experiences where I reconnect with those I know who passed away.. I felt kind of bleak and odd when I saw my old piano teacher in my dream and we were having a seemingly normal lesson... she passed on several years ago..
hmm... to answer the question at the beginning of this thread, umm I CAn sometimes control my dreams.. however, it seems that I was better able to control my dreams when I was younger, in order to face my fears... Now, I just dream... dreams so vivid sometimes.. that I just wake up suddenly with my heart beating fast and feeling emotionally disoriented from whatever I happen to be dreaming about.. I recently dream alot about being in helpless situations where my emotions take over and I can't take control at all, hence adding to the helplessness. So, I guess I lost my lucid dreaming ability over time.. though I might still have a bit in me.
toxxin
11-12-2006, 10:36 PM
My buddy is a lucid dreamer....he's read books on it for a few years now and has been practising it for a lil over a year. He's quite knowledgabe on the issue...I'll try to get him on this page sometime.
Hunni3
11-12-2006, 11:38 PM
im not sure if i can control my dreams or not. but when i was younger i remember if i thought really hard about something i wanted to dream it would come true. for example. i had a really big crush on this guy that use to bully me. lol. ummm ya so one night i was like dream about phillip i repeated that lline a couple of times and in my dream he was there. i could also control the clothes i was wearing but thats all the detail i will give the rest is kinda fluffy. hahaha .
i tried to follow the above a couple of weeks ago but i end up with completely blank dream. its like a black room. or sometimes i feel like falling but i wake up and i still feel like falling its weird. instead of having a blank black dream i had a dream where all i saw was a white space. a white space and two dark figures. i realized who they were when i woke up.
my dreams are strange. some of them happen like a few weeks later and i realise ive seen this before or felt is before or i know exactly what someone is going to say and what they would say if i told them i dreamt this.
Sanzora
11-13-2006, 11:46 AM
@Konberry, It's not unusaul for children to control their dreams. But they are a lot more open to the ideas of wanting things to be real. As adults, we are so preoccupied with other distractions that reality and logicality take over. If you excercise it though, lucidity can return. Check out some of the links I posted earlier in the thread.
@Hunni3: What you are referring to (the fact that you dream things before they happen) is called precognisence, and has a bit to do with esp. ;) Have a look at it, else I will try find some info on it and PM it to you if you'd like.
Hey Sanz! You know I've been able to control my dreams since I was five! But then again I'm considered a freak by most people so no use boasting.
Captain Hitsugaya, again you with the interesting questions! I know how you feel on those sorts of dreams, though I've never dreamt of people I know dying there were cases when I dreamed something and it came true.
Aneki help me out on this one, I think the term is Dream Seer...not too sure but it does happen but don't ask me to explain...it's one of those things I try to ignore.
Keeping diaries in head...? I don't think I'd be able to...I dream at least 320 days out of the year, that includes days when I don't sleep at all or just don't rememeber...I'll stick with my diary thank you very much!
Ronin36
11-25-2006, 07:19 AM
Wow... I'm amazed. I thought that stuff like this was just make-believe. I respect how in depth you all are on your dreams and stuff. Personally, I can't say I'm a lucid dreamer. There are a few times I can change my dreams, but on the whole it's like watching a movie that I don't always remember watching. I'm actually jealous. You're not a freak, Lex. You have an advantage over the rest of us. You don't just imagine what you want to, you dream what you want to. You have an entire world, no universe (maybe bigger) to screw around in. I am in total and complete awe. No joke.
Askand
11-26-2006, 02:24 AM
Well that depends sometimes is cool until you get chased. Is not cool to feel someone is trying to get you. But thanks for the feedback. *Bows respectfully*
gena87
11-27-2006, 01:39 PM
I have a question. What is a lucid dreamer?
Ronin36
11-27-2006, 11:26 PM
I have a question. What is a lucid dreamer?
Look at the first post and you might understand. As a piece of advice to you gena, read the first post of any thread and it will explain what's in the thread.
Anyways, I must report that I'm getting in to this. I went to my public library and found a book on how to become a lucid dreamer. I'm looking forward to trying it tonight despite what you guys say can go wrong.
Askand
11-28-2006, 12:06 AM
Hey Ronin! Which book is can you at least let us know the name and the author of the book?
Please?
No one is warning you off Ronin36, if anything I want to encorouge people to do this. I think it would be a great achieviment if all people could do this and one more peice of advice. Even though there are people born with the ability ut doesn't make them more superior than you. You do the best you can and no one will down upon you. Each person that can pierce the the dream world has a right to roam there and be equal to those born of the power.
I wish you the best of luck but watch your back.
Dragor84
11-29-2006, 10:40 PM
nope i cant controll my dreams when asleep. but i by concentration i can decide what i want to dream and sometimes i dream about something and few days later that thing is happening.
Miss M
12-01-2006, 08:56 AM
ohh... I control my dreams most of the time...
especially when it goes wrong... then I dream miracles or something... ^^
I do it all the time when I dream something scary... *shivers*
TenkiStar Owns You
12-01-2006, 11:11 AM
From your experiences, how does stress affect the lucidity of your dreams? Since the last time I posted some progress here, my life's been falling apart and it seems that my sleep reflects it. Not only is it not restful (I wake up exhausted a lot, regardless of how much I've slept), but I find that I'm not remembering my dreams anymore and if I do, it's very vague and disconnected. I haven't been able to gain even the slightest bit of lucidity this past month. Does this happen to any of you guys? Is there anything I can do to lessen the effect stress has been having on my sleep and progress with dreaming?
Malice
12-01-2006, 11:22 AM
From your experiences, how does stress affect the lucidity of your dreams? Since the last time I posted some progress here, my life's been falling apart and it seems that my sleep reflects it. Does this happen to any of you guys? Is there anything I can do to lessen the effect stress has been having on my sleep and progress with dreaming?
I know this'll sound weird but have you tried a meditation and some breathing excrcises before going to sleep?
Not only is it not restful (I wake up exhausted a lot, regardless of how much I've slept), but I find that I'm not remembering my dreams anymore and if I do, it's very vague and disconnected. I haven't been able to gain even the slightest bit of lucidity this past month.
Do you mean sleeping a dreamless sleep or have just woken up with no reccollection of the prrevious night? I suffer that all the time. In fact I havenn't had a dream for a long time.
TenkiStar Owns You
12-01-2006, 11:32 AM
I know this'll sound weird but have you tried a meditation and some breathing excrcises before going to sleep?
Do you mean sleeping a dreamless sleep or have just woken up with no reccollection of the prrevious night? I suffer that all the time. In fact I havenn't had a dream for a long time.
Meditation helps me fall asleep faster but it doesn't seem to do anything to improve the quality of my sleep or dreams. I'm not sure if it is indeed dreamless, because many people that think they don't dream actually do but have no recollection. I think that I'm either sleeping too shallow (not reaching the right wavelengths for dreaming) or just not remembering due to something related to the stress. As for you, there's a website that was recommended earlier on in the thread somewhere that has exercises that might help you actually remember your dreams
Malice
12-01-2006, 11:39 AM
I would rather leave them as forgotten everytime I dream it's bad. As with your problem, it could also be a minor psychological thing that just needs to be repaired or removed. ( I mean no offense in this post.)
TenkiStar Owns You
12-01-2006, 12:12 PM
Lol, no offense taken, hun... well unless you're referring to a lobotomy there :p Of course it has to be in one way shape or form psychologically related as any psychological problem is based off of abnormalities in neurotransmitter levels and that would probably have a visible impact on sleep as well. I know my serotonin's gotten messed up because my fibromyalgia (it's like chronic fatigue but with lots of pain, directly related to low serotonin) is flaring up and I've been experiencing a bit of depression again, but I don't remember what relationship there is between serotonin and dreams or restful sleep. I should probably find my old Neurobiology textbook and look it up. But I firmly believe that there has to be something I can do, besides medication and stuff, to remove this block... just need to find it.
Malice
12-01-2006, 01:17 PM
You're an intelligent one. aren't you? thats good.
hollow kitty
12-01-2006, 01:22 PM
I have really crazy dreams *just ask Araharu LOL he gets to hear about all of them* and in my mind while I am asleep, I am thinking of what I want to happen next in the dream and it does if I don't wake up. Sometimes the dreams I have are dark and I wake up mad or sad depending on what it was about, but sometimes they are great and it makes the entire next day bright. I take dreams more serious than most people. I don't try to analyze them or figure out a deeper meaning, but they definetly do affect my mood the previous day, and often longer. Am I a lucid dreamer??
Malice
12-02-2006, 03:51 PM
You know Dreams also can contain secret messages or urge. e.g Ambitions, With fulfilment, etc. Your dreams may be trying to tell you something through your subconcious. and blockages from dreams may be a result from prolonged exposure to stressful situations.
ermm.... so a lucid dreamer is when ur the first person like ur acting the dream rather than watching it? don't u wake up evry now and then?
No, a lucid dreamer is a person who sees their dreams very vividly and is able to control what happens around them at all times, if they are strong enough. They could be in the dream themselves or just watching it from afar, one time I was sitting and having coffee while watching a huge battle of Chaos beast play before me...it was interesting to say the least.
Sanzora
12-05-2006, 03:04 PM
From your experiences, how does stress affect the lucidity of your dreams? Since the last time I posted some progress here, my life's been falling apart and it seems that my sleep reflects it. Not only is it not restful (I wake up exhausted a lot, regardless of how much I've slept), but I find that I'm not remembering my dreams anymore and if I do, it's very vague and disconnected. I haven't been able to gain even the slightest bit of lucidity this past month. Does this happen to any of you guys? Is there anything I can do to lessen the effect stress has been having on my sleep and progress with dreaming?
Stress very deffinately has an effect on dreams, lucid or otherwise. I think that Malice's suggestions of meditation and Breathing are probably two of the best things you can look at to help. I've sent you a PM asking a few specific questions to try and help.
And Ronin, GOOD LUCK ^_^ Just ask if there's anything I might be able to give advice and/or help with
Ronin36
12-06-2006, 04:34 AM
Okay, I'm back...
I just read a book on lucid dreaming, and it's pretty cool. I still haven't had a lucid dream, but I'm definitely close.
In clarification for all those confused people, a lucid dream is when you can think and make decisions in a dream. You don't have to be the subject of the dream (as Lex explains above), you just have to realize you're dreaming and in doing so gain access to your brain. It is actually possible to change a dream in this way.
For anyone else who would like to become a lucid dreamer, some methods are suggested:
1.Record your dreams (preferably in writing) immediately after waking up from a dream while you still remember it. After doing this for awhile, you will remember what was in your dreams well. Then, while in a dream, you'll do or see something and because you remember your dreams say "hey, this must be a dream!" and become conscious in the dream. This can also be done with outrageous things like flying. You can't fly and you realize that.
2. (Add-on to 1) To help this work, take about three hours a night out of your sleep schedule for everyday but one in a week. Then, on that last night sleep as long as you can. Because your brain knows how many dreams you missed and how much you are supposed to dream, it will compensate and on that long night, you will have a long dream, providing more opportunities for you to realize you're dreaming.
Note-this can also be a tool for consistent lucid dreamers to have long dreams and do what they want without being interrupted by being awakened.
3. Warning - This is the hardest. Try to think the entire time as you go to sleep. I know it's hard to think and fall asleep at the same time, but if you can manage to do it, you should be able to retain your consciousness during your dream, giving you a lucid dream.
Also, here are some fun things about people and dreams.
>People sleep in 90 min cycles with the dreams at the end. The more continuous cycles one goes through, the more time in each cycle that will be dedicated to dreaming.
>It has been proven that people dream in real time.
>All lucid dreamers report dreaming in color, although it's not proven.
>All animals in the world dream except for the australian anteater (poor guy)
>All who have experienced it say that sex is better in dreams than in real life ^_^
lol Good luck to anyone who, like me is trying to become a lucid dreamer.
Oh, and the book I read is: "Stop Sleeping Through Your Dreams: A Guide To Awakening Consciousness During Dream Sleep" by Charles McPhee copyright 1995 - yah it's old, but it's good
Sanzora
12-06-2006, 07:08 PM
Wow Ronin. You really did your homework ^_^ You have a lot more patience than me. The book I read covered this also, but I didn't type it all out :p
iQing
12-07-2006, 10:49 AM
i am keeping a dream journal now
i mmight get some books on this topic
such as this
http://www.amazon.com/Conscious-Dreaming-Spiritual-Path-Everyday/dp/051788710X/ref=cm_cr-mr-title/102-4055069-7517761
I notice delta meditation (with brainwave entrainment) and putting a chi generator under my pillow helps me in remembering dreams
Ronin36, all I can say is wow! As Sanz says you have done your homework, had I known about these book earlier I might have been alot stronger by now...you mentioned something of the lack of sleep of assigning differant hours for sleep to improve the quality and quantity of Lucid Dreaming, I can vouch for that! It does work believe it or not.
I suffer from a stange insomnia that most people don't know about, it's called Slow Sleep Insomia, you sleep but you take about an hour or longer to fall asleep, where a normal person would be alseep within seven minutes, it has it's disadvantages though...
And it is very important to keep a dream Diary, trust me, been doing it for a while!
Fauthal
12-08-2006, 03:39 PM
Ok looks like we have some real talent around here. I have a proposition for those of intermediate to advanced skittles. I have been out of practice so I would consider my current skillz at intermediate, it's like falling off a bike so I am getting my mojo back but wouldn't mind some friendly astral contact. OK some of you may or may not be familiar with the term Astral Plane but it is something you've already experienced think of it initially as shared dream space. At least thats the anteroom to the Astral. The further into the astral realm you are the more managing your space becomes. During dream, and specifically during dream control, you toggle back and forth between astral and inner worls. If you can connect to a single individual outside of yourself you usually pull them into your space, or move into theirs. You end up with a co-creation but they may not have the recall to remember or the ability to go lucid. I use this alot to get information from people because in their dream they will not lie (unless they are lucid). So an initial astral space is basically the shared dream. I KNOW Lex is quite capable there and has mucho authority and there are others. Personally I have been more fixated on reattaining my flight control , and detroying some personal demons. ANYWAY, the point to this post is to query if anyone is interested in building a minor sphere? What that is, is a sacred and co-created space built on the dream. And yeah me I know how to do this, though one of my motivators is not to be a big shot, it's because I want HELP and to improve. Staying in the right