Urahara Kisuke vs. Byakuya

[sonflour_@))!]

Sandal Hat all the way. He beat up on Ichigo without even breakin a sweat... and only lost a bit of hat...also we have yet to see his bankai, although he achieved it in 3 days!
BTW Yoruichi's shunpo is faster than Byakuya-bo's... I assume Kisuke is at least as quick or quicker than Yoruichi. Me thinks SandalHat would mop the floor with Byakuya...

I got a feeling Kisuke was one of the bigguns when he was in Soul Society. He might have even been somewhere close to the old guy... I've always seen him as the anti-Aizen. I can only hope that oneday the series will have those two showdown. Then we'd get to see the ultimate forms of both their swords. Now that would be a fight.

Dee

[Lincoln1587]

I'm with you all the way ^^^, Sandle hat pwns...
The guy's a genius... even if Byakuya was stronger, Urahara would just think his way out of it.

[Nrvnqsr Chaos]

urahara dude, without even breaking a sweat, he could wipeout the petals with his version of getsuga tenshou

[Miyata]

I think that since Urahara achieved Bankai in 3 days, that is a major factor. And the fact that we haven't seen his Bankai adds to the confusion. But from what we have seen, I think Urahara would win.

[Kriceº]

how to compare . no one even knows urahara's bankai .. how can we conclude on wad that haven't happened . this tread should be post later when urahara showed his bankai , then we can conclude . on byakuya VS urahara.

[Ian Altano]

Probably, Urahara won't even need his bankai: he's one of those 'nevergonnabedefeaten' characters

Byakuya pwns, but Urahara pwns even more!

[slave_car]

I reaaly dont know why all u ppl think so bad of Byakuya... i mean Kisuke is probably stronger but u shouldnt underestimate Byakuya either he isnt so dumb afte all... i think it would be a pretty tough fight ( around 2-3 episodes :PPP ),but it sure would be fun to watch :)))

[Silhouette]

I don't know if this indicates anything, or if this theory has been shot down, or w/e.. But when they showed Urahara in his Captain uniform, he had long sleeves, no? Most of the older, more experienced Captains have long sleeves..

So power-wise, Urahara might have an advantage, however, this doesn't mean he'll win. Who knows, Byakuya might be faster. Urahara might have more experience, although..Byakuya has a hell of a lot of experience as well.. Hmm.

People always bring in Urahara's brains. Byakuya isn't a dumbass. He might be a little cocky, but he's no fool. He most likely knows a thing or two about tactics, and how to face crafty opponents.

Like Krice said. We have to wait for Urahara to get into an actual fight before we make conclusions..

[Night Prowler]

psh, speak for yourself Sess, my conclusion is Urahara PWNS Byakuya.

I mean come on, they both have Bankai yea, but Byakuya's Bankai was liturally swept away by Ichigo, I personally think that Urahara would beat Byakuya just by stretching his Shikai.

[Megalomania]

Byakuya's intelligence...

He knows a bit, he was able to decypher Ichigo's bankai, he was able to see the weaknesses in Renji's bankai.

He's good at kidou, shunpo, and he is great at these, and uses them in combination well....

But really, this is all we've seen.

His sword is what really gets me.
He has a beautiful sword, and he's never sat down and thought, "Gee, I have solid matter, which can compact and expand, and move when I only think about it... now, what can I do with it?" - Which is the first thing I would do.
My shikai has a certain ability - 'how do I use this to my advantage', 'what situations would it be useful in'... 'what's the easiest, and smartest way to get in an attack'... 'can I fool the opponent into making mistakes with it' that kind of stuff. Really, if every shinigami hasn't at least done that, then they're not using their intelligence well...
The smartest thing I've seen (remembering that I only watch the anime) him do, is attack from multiple sides, and he even messed THAT up!

Shikai - he has it just flowing around wherever... in a certain instance, it flows head on to Ichigo, who downs them all in one shot.
As seen in the fight with Ranji's bankai, he has a decent amount of shards here.
I think I have used this example 4 or more times on this forum, but he should have some contricting the opponent's sword, and the rest attacking vulnerable points, which are hard to defend. Really, if he is holding the opponent's sword, then it's over.
But has he ever done this? No...

His Bankai. Even more petals, and with that, more options, more strategies.
Blanket the ground in 'petals' loosely. Hopefully, they won't all be visible, and therefore, the enemy won't attack the ground, trying to hit them.
But even if the opponent did attack the ground, it would leave him open.

Okay, so you have the blanket, now, remake your sword. Yeah, out of petals. Attack your opponent head on, and when he blocks with his ZPT, just have your sword bend around it, and stop his with a small selection of petals.
You could even just clash swords, and push, so he pushes back, then use the blanket to kill him.

From this, I tend to conclude that Byakuya has knowledge, but is bad at improvisation (He doesn't really change his strategy much...), and has little imagination.

[Hazerdous]

I think I have used this example 4 or more times on this forum, but he should have some contricting the opponent's sword, and the rest attacking vulnerable points, which are hard to defend. Really, if he is holding the opponent's sword, then it's over.
But has he ever done this? No...
His Bankai. Even more petals, and with that, more options, more strategies.
Blanket the ground in 'petals' loosely. Hopefully, they won't all be visible, and therefore, the enemy won't attack the ground, trying to hit them.
But even if the opponent did attack the ground, it would leave him open.
Okay, so you have the blanket, now, remake your sword. Yeah, out of petals. Attack your opponent head on, and when he blocks with his ZPT, just have your sword bend around it, and stop his with a small selection of petals.
You could even just clash swords, and push, so he pushes back, then use the blanket to kill him.
Damn, I'm the only one who thinks Byakuya would win? :D Well I'm a Byakuya-fan so maybe that's why. It really is hard to tell who would win since we haven't seen Urahara's bankai. But those of you who say that Urahara would win because he defeated Ichigo easily, you must consider the fact that he won Ichigo when Ichigo was still a real rookie. It was no big deal that he defeated Ichigo then. Urahara hasn't been in real action in some time either, so his skills might have rusted a bit.
Megalomania, Byakuya hasn't used those tactics you suggested because he has fought only against tough opponents. I don't think those tactics would work against powerful enemies, because when an enemy swings his/her sword with all strength, Byakuya must put atleast the same amount of strength in blocking that attack and I doubt that it would work with a few pedals. The more pedals -> the more powerful. This way holding the opponent's sword wouldn't work either. But yeah, it wouldn't be bad if he thought of some strategies.

[blueice760]

Sandal Hat would break a sweat but i think he would whip Byakuya

[Silhouette]

@Megalomania:

1. He usually finishes his opponent with his Shikai in one swift move, therefor, he does not need to waste his time on strategies. However, this does not mean that he doesn't come up with them.

Also, no one knows if he does have different tactics or not.. Ichigo's speed/power probably caught him off guard, and he was probably being stubborn as well by trying the same moves over & over against him..

2. Maybe there are certain things those petals can't do? Who knows..

3. The creator of the show might not be thinking what you are, meaning that neither would Byakuya..

@Night: So? We don't know how powerful Urahara is, but I doubt he'd be able to do what Ichigo did, while in Shikai. Psh.

[_mike_]

well if we look @ the manga part of the arrancar kisuke takes on the arrancar without even using bankai as opposed to hitsugaya "shorty", renji, ichigo and ikkaku

[Hazerdous]

But Hitsugaya's and others powers were reduced a lot ( if I remember right it was 80%?) when they entered Earth. Eventually they got to fight with their full powers. Urahara's powers aren't reduced on Earth, atleast I think so.
And the strength of each arrancar is different also. It might be that the one Kisuke beated was a weakling compared to others.

[Night Prowler]

@Megalomania:
@Night: So? We don't know how powerful Urahara is, but I doubt he'd be able to do what Ichigo did, while in Shikai. Psh.

Well in the manga
*spoiler*
He was able to to negate a Arrancars Cero with just the move him and Ichigo used, that would have to take alot of speed and power, and he also kicked about the same Arrancar just by using his brain and his speed.

So really Byakuya's petals would be blown away and using his great speed he would be able to rip into Byakuya easierly, saying that he trained and probably still trains with Yoruchi so he must have speed close to being equal to her and we all know how Yoruchi outsped Byakuya.

[_mike_]

yes but when they got to full power, the arrancar used their version of bankai, or released shikai or sumthin...and gave them a run for their money.

[Night Prowler]

Emm no they didn't the Espanda ended up the retreating, anyway we're not here to talk about that, I was just giving examples of Urahara's Powers and Speed and Ichigo couldn't match upto the speed of one of the Espanda with his Bankai, and Urahara could kick about one without breaking a sweat.

[Askand]

My two Cents

Both of them are powerful. Urahaha may have the advantage of experience since he achieve his bankai in less time and had been doing it longer. That we havent seen it yet is another story. But the guy is really powerful. 12th div guys we pawn.*Grins*

About Kuchiki He is well experience also but he is too overconfident sometimes. Having a same attack and underestimating his opponent could be some of his flaws, but the guys is not a quitter. So he can pawn also.

But between the two of them I choose Kisuske. For experience.

[sonflour_@))!]

Kisuke all the way. Personally, i think Yoruichi could probably take Byakuya on as well. Him being a young buck and all.

[Sesshomaru]

Byakuya is very powerfull, one of the strongest, but Uruhara is show some power of his, but maybe that was that, why didn't he go with ichigo to soul society to fight... and he was scientist, he is just good in trening noting more...

[Megalomania]

@Megalomania:
1. He usually finishes his opponent with his Shikai in one swift move, therefor, he does not need to waste his time on strategies. However, this does not mean that he doesn't come up with them.
Also, no one knows if he does have different tactics or not.. Ichigo's speed/power probably caught him off guard, and he was probably being stubborn as well by trying the same moves over & over against him..


The fact that he didn't think ahead, and think "Well... there's bound to be someone who can kick my butt, so I'll prepare..." kinda makes me shudder.

And looking at the way Byakuya fought Kariya, it doesn't look like he's learnt anything...

But yeah, he's probably just stubborn... which in this context, is just silly.


2. Maybe there are certain things those petals can't do? Who knows..

Well I'm pretty sure that they can make any matter, by altering their concentration...
But yeah, maybe he can;t micromanage them all that well...

[Chaos_Overlord]

Urahara would win. Even though Byakuya might have smarts on his side alot of people in this thread seem to have forgoten that Urahara was the former head of technolgy. He would have something ready as an escape plan or to finish his enemy once and for all.

[xizx]

yeah, as i see, only those who are byakuya fans are voting for byakuya. since im not a byakuya or a kisuke fan, my opinion would be more unbiased.

For me, Urahara would defenitely win. Mainly because of his experience and also because of his power. we can make guesses through context clues that urahara is stronger than byakuya. some reasons have already been posted above.

[Kriceº]

Just merely because Urahara is one of the "never got beaten characters".

[Night Prowler]

Byakuya is very powerfull, one of the strongest, but Uruhara is show some power of his, but maybe that was that, why didn't he go with ichigo to soul society to fight... and he was scientist, he is just good in trening noting more...

Watch the Episode where he opens the portal to SS again, you'll see why, and how do you know that hes only good at training when you havent read the manga and seen him fight.

Really Urahara is one of those "never been beaten" characters and he's gonna stay like that unless he goes up against another "never been beaten" characters then it will be interesting.

[FatalShadows]

So many people sayin kisuke would win!:(
Thats not true i think,you've seen how strong Kuchiki is when he gets into battle gear!
heck,i bet he was holding back thats how ichigo beat him!and i bet ichigo can beat kisuke now that hes alot stronger than he was before...

[Lady Ushio]

I place my bet on Urahara to win for this match. But if when it comes to looks, Byakuya wins for sure... eheh...

[yunlik]

Would win Urahara. In fact, the fight would be very balanced now. But if they fought back when Urahara had all his power, Byakuya would have to pray for his life.

:D

[maelstromb]

Stalemate ~~ And why ? Its just they're both captain level!
I mean Urahara have his Benihime (Crimson Princess) And Byakuya have his Senbon Zakura (Thousand Cherry Trees) ...... They both good at attacks ... A total draw match if you ask me.

[Kabane]

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