woman descrimintation

[thousand sakuras]

should female discrimintaion be banned in countries other that America? If so why? If not why? SHouldn't all countries be equal? even for muslims it should still be practiced. women are very important in society. without them the human race would sease to exist.

1k Sakuras

[Mighty Aramir]

I understand your point of view, and almost share it. But the forced implantation of a behavior on an established culture can be tough, and may lead to a violent rebellion. I think and promote the idea of equality between genders, but in a society as the one we live in, its fairly impossible. Shame on us, but what can be done? a change from the roots, educate, and discuss this kind of subjects

[Shinigami_Josh]

how can you say that when men are also discriminated

hell ALL people are discriminated at some point for some thing, its a fact of life and to "outlaw" such a thing is a redundant and silly thing to do


oh we could live without women see vandread... lol :D

[MidoriSangatsu]

we actually could live with out women correct because they are the reason we are able to reproduce (OMG NO NEED OF WOMEN not correct at all) What a country wants to do is their choice no one can stop them sadly enough.

[Guy]

Well, we should promote not to discriminate ppl, but outlawing it won't do much good. People don't obey something just because it is the law... and plus, since such discrimination is rampant, it would cost a lot to issue police to track them down...

[toxxin]

I am against all discrimination, however what other countries do is their own business. We have no right to impose our views on them. Just the same way they have no right to try to promote their views on us (ie. communism, which would never happen)

[Tokoyami]

No wouldnt shouldnt push for it. But it would be the right thing to do to end dicrimination.

But how do u do that. U cant kill an Idealology without killing everyone with a different opinion than yourself, or your "group".

[Evanesque]

even for muslims it should still be practiced. women are very important in society. without them the human race would sease to exist.
1k Sakuras

What you said has offended me. How can you say that we muslim women don't have equal rights? Of course, we do! Perhaps you may have seen Islam being portrayed in such a way that you do not know what's what. You could've stated your debate without mentioning muslims in particular. Be careful with what you say.

Men as well as women in Islam have equal rights. When you look at it in a way, women are far better than men as they are not given any burdens. In certain cases it is mentioned that man receives more compensation money than a woman...this is due to the man's responsibilties being far more than a woman.

It is compulsory for him to take care of his family, to earn a good livelihood and bring up children in a safe and decent environment. Women only need to care for themselves (if they are alone).

If it is in a case of divorce or something which involves the woman needing to take care of the family, she is given enough for purposes.

What I'm saying may not be accurate but I'm saying the best of what I know. Please do not state anything in particular about anybody's religion especially if you are not fully aware of certain things.

Thanks.

And by the way, it's women discrimination not 'woman descrimintation'. Correct your heading.

[Shinigami_Josh]

what Evanesque just said remided me, i think youruchi sarah may be a muslim, tell her shes being discriminated, lol. she could kill people (here not rl)

and a law against discrimination is itself a form of discrimination and you cant make a general atitude ilegal

[Arei]

It would be nice to see gender equality in all countries and cultures, but sadly there is really no chance of that happening at all. Mistreatment of women is deeply imbeded into many societies, to try to extract that all at once would be a disaster. MAYBE something could be done over a long long loooooong period of time which would require effort on the part of the people, but again i'd be hard getting people to cooperate =P

And really in Islam, according to the koran, Mohammed gave women ALOT of rights and he set up laws for their fair and good treatment by their husbands. The man is always the head in pretty much all cultures, but the laws he established were meant to keep women from treated like objects and property but instead like human beings.
Unfortuneatly the veil and such things as women mistreatment and inequality come from traditions of the people and not the actual holy word of Islam itself.

[M_Ghey]

I am willing to accept the possibility that at some point in the future men and womenc will be truly equal, but I do not see that occuring any time soon. Arei's post is great at explaining why. In many religions, even Christianty, the man is the leader, the head of the household, and the woman just cleans and looks after the man's needs. Society has improved over the last 1000 years a so, certainly, but there is a long way to go.

[saycheese]

on a global scale, woman's rights are not being enforced, however in certain countries, discrimination is used as an excuse for fraud. thus, laws in devevloped countries should be moving towards equal work opportunities, pay and having laws which prevent the extreme feminists movement, while in developing countries, focus should be placed on changing he public's opponion and anti-discrimination laws. and so basically, as i see it, developed countries need to protect aginest abuse of discrimination laws while developing countries should be focused on removing the culture of sexism.

[Mighty Aramir]

As in everything, a balance must be found. But yet again history tends to repeat itself, and that is exactly whath is expected. Many years ago, the head of the house use to be female, and the father was only a money source.
Now the perspective has changed, the capitalist world we live in has given more importance to the male part of the family, forcing the female to struggle once again in to regaining its previous position, its head of family position. But this shouldnt be the case, having a leadership rivalry is senseless, instead of attempting to work together as complementary parts of the same, they rather fight for who makes more money.
Discrimination starts when similars ally themselves, men with men, woman with woman. So in a male pedominant environment a female who attempts to breaktrough and advance WILL be descriminated in every aspect possible. on the other hand, a male attempting to access a female dominating corportions will be, not only judged by his co-workes, but also WILL be treated as a traitor.
Now, what is the point of the debate, should it be banned?
IT CANT!! you cant ban a person from breathing, you cant ban his heart from pulsing, and you CANT BAN HUMAN NATURE!! This only leads to more trouble than solutions.

[dragoneyes001]

try reading the human rights some time all people are equal in every nation that is part of the United nations.

its up to the people around the world to uphold those rights for anyone who's not being treated acording to the laws set forth for them.

if people are not willing to speak out about inequality for themselves because of tradition or any other reason how can you expect the rest of us to support them the rights are there people need to at least be willing to voice any problems before they expect others to help establish better conditions.

[Mighty Aramir]

try reading the human rights some time all people are equal in every nation that is part of the United nations.
its up to the people around the world to uphold those rights for anyone who's not being treated acording to the laws set forth for them.
if people are not willing to speak out about inequality for themselves because of tradition or any other reason how can you expect the rest of us to support them the rights are there people need to at least be willing to voice any problems before they expect others to help establish better conditions.
Im sorry, I might have been misinterpretated. As i said before equality should be promoted!!! but as the world stands the only way to a solution is to change from the root, from the core. Instructing equality to childs since their first years, and all throughout their life. But an impossed and immediate change, thats whats messed up.
I apologize if misinterpretated, didnt mean to.

[bbnflpn]

women are discriminated in this contry too you know.

i am the queen of discrimination, being a handicapped woman, who is a pagan, and a mechanic. yah its hard. i have lost no less than 20 jobs this last 2 years alone due to my medical or religous background. and lets not even get started when i was activly working as a mechanic. only 2 places hired me, one at sears (who was kind enough to rehire me after 12 years as a sales person) and one at a bowling alley cause i was the only qualified person who applied for any job there (i was tired of getting turned down as a mechanic so i applied to work in the nursery) the only other place that hired me for anything mechanical was a auto parts shop, and they wouldnt let me work on cars even though i was physicaly able to at the time)

we have alot of stuff to get through be fore we can say all of us have equal rights no matter who we are. discrimination happens to alot of people for alot of reasons, and there is nothing that we can do but educate the idiots who are doing it.

[shadow_of_89]

I might be misunderstood.....but....u can't place and equal sign between men and women....women and men are totally different....they were made that....I firmly oppose the discrimination by any means but when it comes to doing labour there is no way that a (normal) women would be better than a man.......and women are better at some jobs.......Anyways any company should have a test policy and if u pass it u get employed no matter if you are male or female

[tortuegenial]

I agree with shadow_of_89, men and women are made in different specific ways, especially with consideration to strength. So some jobs are more fit for women and others are more fit by men. When it comes to this instance I don't think much discrimination exists here.....
However, in other areas, I think women are highly discriminated against and it also becomes hard for them to express these injustices because even though everybody is entitled to free-speech, the free-speech of men undercuts or limits the free-speech of women.

[thousand sakuras]

however tortuegenial, women and men make a balance. girls are peaceful, boys are mean. girls are weak, boys are strong. girls are smart, boys are kinda...dull. etc. but some exceptions are possible.

[Mighty Aramir]

Thats exactly the core of the problem, when you allow yourself be lead by stereotypes, and in fact woman are MUCH STRONGER than men, I bet you, or me, or any man for that sake, would be able to endure and stand the pain of giving birth, much less suffering once a month because of menstruation. Females ARE stronger, but they dont care about it, look at the beginning of civilization, we men thought it was better to move around chasing and killing animals, sure it must have been fun, always recurring to the brute force, but still, the female side of society, they tend to have more attachment to their things, they rather have a place of their own, so they used their minds, and planted trees, and made clothes, while we men were away, running butt-naked with spears chasing a mamut. Dont use stereotypes, females are better than men, in many ways, but what makes us different is the way we respond to things, we act in order to feel, woman on the other hand, have to feel in order to act. Females and males are not equal, much less in balance, but what we DO have, is the uttering need to complement each other. And thats the beauty of it, not acting like two different entities, but to live as one, complementing and helping each other.

[shadow_of_89]

Agreed.....Women IMO are stronger mentally and are able to put the base of society....that's the beauty of women.......they guide us and welcome us home with a smile but most of the times women have to face brutes that do not know a thing about feelings and love.....they don't have respect ...because of the complex of inferiority that men sometimes(always) feel and to eliminate that feeling they must impose ofer women with force:(....*sigh*.......

[Mighty Aramir]

I get what you mean, and part of that beauty and maybe not for them, is that no matter how bad they are feeling and how much problems they have, they always smile at you, and that smile, that maternal and caring smile, is certainly unachievable for us men

[toxxin]

However, in other areas, I think women are highly discriminated against and it also becomes hard for them to express these injustices because even though everybody is entitled to free-speech, the free-speech of men undercuts or limits the free-speech of women.


This statement is not true. At least not here in Canada. Women are treated as equals, and have just as much say (and in some cases, more) than men do.
Example; when was the last time you heard of a male activist voicing a loud opinion?

[Guy]

I think women are stronger than men in many areas, but I have to disagree with anyone who says women are stronger than men physically. It is not that I am a sexist, but science proves it. Women do not have testosterones. There is no way a normal woman can be stronger than a normal man because they lack this hormone. Now, like I said, I am no sexist, but science proves this.

[shadow_of_89]

Who said that NORMAL females are stronger than man?......Anyway i have a colleague that she may look normal and although she is approximately my height 1.69 and may look thin.. she was blessed with a strong body......she can lift more than i can and most of the guys in our class....

[bbnflpn]

I think women are stronger than men in many areas, but I have to disagree with anyone who says women are stronger than men physically. It is not that I am a sexist, but science proves it. Women do not have testosterones. There is no way a normal woman can be stronger than a normal man because they lack this hormone. Now, like I said, I am no sexist, but science proves this.
im sorry but both men and women have testosterone and estrogen. they use it in differnt amounts yes, some women have more testosterone than other women, and some men have more estrogen than other men. it does not have anything to do with sexuality either.

sure some men are stronger than most women. but there are plenty of women out there who can hold their own physicaly just as a man would.

i have done many things in my life, and there is nothing that i can not do other than a man (exept for produce sperm)

dont use that peeing standing up thing either i have done that plenty of times, and yes women do get erections they just get them to a smaller degree than a man does since our clitoris is smaller than a mans penis respectivly.

i have held a few jobs that were male dominated. i was a mechanic for many years and the only reason that i am no longer one is because i have a broken pelvis and can no longer do that kind of physical work any more since my legs are not able to keep up. but i did this work with the broken pelvis for years before it got too bad for me to continue.

there were alot of men who didnt think that i would beable to do the work but i was just as good as they were if not better, and after they got to know my skills they were very supportive and defensive of my ablilitys.

what makes things worse for me, and i did have this conversation with a lesbian who was more masculine than feminine. we came to the conclusion that feminine women are viewed as not able to do the work, and more masculine women are thought of as equals in this area. it was hard for me because i was a sexy feminine woman, who could hold her own with a wrench as well as keep up with their mentalality as well.

there are not many women who can hold their own wiht a man and keep up wiht them and still hold their feminity, alot of women feel that this is an either or thing, it is not. while i was doing this i was also working as a nude model and, i am also an excelent cook and craftswoman as well. (ok i can sew but only with industrial machines at this time). im also able to hold several kinds of conversation from all angles, with out bias for any reason.

i had to work hard for what i am. i am proud of what i am. and there is no person in this world who can tell me that i am not able to do any thing that i do not want to do because of my sex. that is a load of crap.

[shadow_of_89]

You have gained my appreciation and I hope only the best for you.....I've seen few women stand up like that and i'm glad that i've seen today a fine example......everyone should read this and think twice before making assumptions...

[Shaehl]

Female discrimination eh? I won't deny it's existence, but don't pretend that women are the only ones discriminated against. Men get just as much flak as women, just in different ways.

Try being a man in a divorce, for instance. 9 times out of 10 you get shafted. Or what about abortion? The father has absolutely no say in whether or not the baby gets to live or not, yet he still has to pay child support if the mother wants it and he doesn't.

A man get fired simply for making a bad joke if a woman is present when he does so. We can be charged with sexual harassment if we so much as look at a women the wrong way.

If a man and a woman get drunk and then have sex, the woman can claim it was unwanted and cry rape while the man's opinion on the matter is next to worthless.

In sitcoms and commercials, men are almost always portrayed as ignorant, sex driven, slobs. But if you aired a commercial making a woman look like an idiot, the feminazis would go crazy.

And really, where are women 'discriminated' against in the job market? In construction? It's like that for a reason you know. As a whole, the female population is physicaly weaker than men as a whole. Yes, there are, rarely, strong bodied females. However, that is the exception, not the rule. The average woman will have to work many times as hard to match the strength that the average male has naturally. It's not discrimination if a woman doesn't get a job in physically strenuous manual labor, it's common sense.

[bbnflpn]

thank you shadow.

i also acknowladge male discrimination, i have seen it for my own eyes. you have to realize what happend here, the women were being treated so badly in the job market that they had to stand up for them selfs, and i also agree that sexual harassment is out of control. i could have called sexual harassment on many people with the rules they have now but i havent, it wasnt nessisary. there are a few times however when i would have, 2 of them were male, and one of them was female (who was offended by my breast size) i know the difference betwen a joke and something other than a joke.

it is a sad thing when a man can not have his childeren in a divorce because the judges automaticly want to put them with the mother because of nuturing issues even though the mother may not be the best situation for the child.

men are now gaining rights in this area, as well as with rape issues. one of the reasons that males who have been raped are not comming forward is because they feel belittled by women who over power them. it does happen and i do know a few men who have been raped.

btw any sex that happens while you are intoxicated is considered rape no matter who calls it, even if it was consentual (at least in california)

[Analog]

Well if you want equality you must get everyone to accept and believe in equality. Bacause as it stands some don't feel that women are equal to men, which is the problem in achieving equality.

[omega255]

not just women, but nobody, whether they are handicapped, their religion, whatever, should be discriminated. it ain't fair on them.

[Nicole]

I was wondering if someone was going to put this up. I'll address a couple of issues here.

Societies and women.

I forgot what magazine I read this in, but I read a rather interesting article. I'm not going to mention any religions here and I certainly don't want to offend anyone. But apparently in India, men have to pay a dowry to obtain a wife, and they certainly want sons since they can work in the fields, man the household, etc. So when a man marries a wife, they expect a son out of her. However, this one woman was mentioning how her husband and her husband's family mistreated her because she continuously became pregnant with women. And everytime that they found out they were going to have a girl, they got her aborted. Apparently it was her fault that she kept baring girls. When actually it's the man who determines the sex of the child. So, because of this, there is a decline in women being born in these particular areas of India because no one wants girls, since apparently they're only good for breeding and are expensive because of the dowries (sp?) (and the dowry goes up for a girl who's either a virgin or can produce a lot of sons).

In a case like this, I certainly do not agree with this sort of discrimination. Women shouldn't be treated as if they are mere objects for breeding. That pretty much correlates a woman to a dog.

I'm not Muslim nor Islamic, and I do appreciate the current advances in the Middle Eastern countries in terms of giving men and women equal rights. I'm certainly not going to be the ignorant American who demands that every country out there lives by our ideals and culture. And really, when you look at it, how long did it take for us to stop enslaving people? For us to give even our own women rights to work and to vote? It took a long time. It's futile for us to go to another country and demand them to suddenly abolish all terms of discrimination. It won't happen overnight.

Abolishing discrimination is pretty much the same as world peace. It will probably never happen. Everyone out there is different. They think different, they practice different cultures, and they all have different ideals and beliefs. And as long as everyone has these things, they are not going to agree. If everyone agreed and followed the same cultures, then this might be possible, but it's never ever going to happen.

But before I go off onto more tangents, do I believe that every country should stop discriminating women? To an extent, I believe so. In the scenario that I stated above, I believe what is being done there is utterly disgusting.

In a case like in Saudi Arabia, however, I believe that what other countries and cultures do is their business, and what we practice over here in America is our own business. Now, if it ever came down to aborting babies because of their gender, I will probably have an issue with that. (And don't dare put up a discussion on abortion in here, since that's not what it's about) Again, though, we can't just force our beliefs on people like that. It has to take it's own gradual flow.

But yeah, since the time of old, in any sort of society, hierarchy was determined by strength. Naturally, at that time, men were probably stronger than women. So that's probably where the ideals of "women are lower than men" came into play.

And yeah, I agree, we couldn't live without women. Er... I suppose if we found a way to create artificial eggs and sperm, it could be different. But I think that men would go insane and the human race will just eventually die. :)

Men vs. Women

Wow. I don't even know where to begin with this one. Well, physically, men are naturally stronger than women. Naturally, men are supposed to have more testsstorone in their bodies than estrogen, and vice versa for women. This is more about the biological level. The testosterone gives the man a deeper voice, more muscles, facial hair, and probably a few more choice things. Really, I don't like to think it has anything to do with the genitals. I say this because after watching quite a few programs on gender change, the women took shots of testosterone to lower their voices, give them facial hair, and make them look more... well... manly. Estrogen on the other hand probably has the opposite effect. There are probably more deeper effects of these chemicals which I'm not too sure on.

And someone may or may not have mentioned this already, but each person is made different on the chemical level. So it's safe to assume that each person has different amounts of testosterone and estrogen in his/her body as opposed to the next person.

Mentally... well... everyone's brain is made different. It's foolish to say that a man has a set, specific way of thinking and a woman has hers. Not all men are mean, and not all women are super sensitive. Yet at the same time there are differences between their brains.

A study was done a while ago, and it pretty much proved that at the chemical level, women naturally can think of more things at one time than men who generally can only focus on one thing at a time. According to the study women have more, quicker processes crossing the corpus callosum of the brain (a string of nerve fibers connecting the right and left sides of the brain) than men do. I forgot by what margin exactly, but it was a significant enough number to say there is certainly a difference. But as such, each person has a different amount of processes crossing the corpus callosum. Just that men's are generally lower than women. It's a very interesting subject.

This is probably why most women are into the clerical field. Because they can talk on the phone, type, write, and do whatever all at the same time. When men generally have to do one thing at a time. However, this doesn't hold true for every man and woman on earth. Some woman can't multi-task, some men can, but the majority of women do indeed multi-task better than men when you really look at it.

Also, sexually, because of the shape of this generation, women are probably becoming nearly as sex-driven as men are. This generally happens after they lose their virginities. But yeah... men generally rejoice at losing their virginities while women want it with someone they love. Again, this is a pretty grey area and differs from individual to individual.

Intelligence wise, well, this study (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050120_brain_sex.html) might interest some people.

It studied the brains of men and women stated that out of the two primary tissues of the brain (grey and white matter), men thought more with their grey tissues while the women thought more with their white tissues. This is mostly linked with intelligence, though.

The grey and white tissues have different sorts of intelligences. The men have 6.5 times the amount of grey matter then women, and women have about 10 times more white matter than the men.

These tissues may hold a plethora of areas to excel in. Like how men may be better in math than women, and women better in English than men are.

But as I mentioned before, you are seeing more and more women entering colleges, getting professional jobs, etc. So it's safe to assume that women have developed the same amounts of intelligence to get into these areas. It may not be the same types as men, but these types of intelligences combined are making women be on the same level as men in terms of their capabilities in the fields of work they want to get into.

It may have been different mentally when women had their mindset that they were inferior to men. Maybe women back then fell into the stereotype that they are weak and needed to be taken care of. Nowadays, at least in America, more and more women are entering college, more and more women are making careers for themselves. Perhaps, because of this, women have gained more confidence, and thus don't really put themselves into the mental stereotype of "I'm so helpless, please save me"

They probably have gained confidence knowing they have the abilities to get into different fields and lead more equal lives alongside the men. In fact, America has fallen into this ideal as it generally requires two incomes (man and woman's) to lead a comfortable life and be financially stable.

But yeah, this is a very interesting subject, and I can't wait until I take a Gender Psychology class. :)

[Guy]

im sorry but both men and women have testosterone and estrogen. they use it in differnt amounts yes, some women have more testosterone than other women, and some men have more estrogen than other men. it does not have anything to do with sexuality either.
sure some men are stronger than most women. but there are plenty of women out there who can hold their own physicaly just as a man would.
i have done many things in my life, and there is nothing that i can not do other than a man (exept for produce sperm)
dont use that peeing standing up thing either i have done that plenty of times, and yes women do get erections they just get them to a smaller degree than a man does since our clitoris is smaller than a mans penis respectivly.
i have held a few jobs that were male dominated. i was a mechanic for many years and the only reason that i am no longer one is because i have a broken pelvis and can no longer do that kind of physical work any more since my legs are not able to keep up. but i did this work with the broken pelvis for years before it got too bad for me to continue.
there were alot of men who didnt think that i would beable to do the work but i was just as good as they were if not better, and after they got to know my skills they were very supportive and defensive of my ablilitys.
what makes things worse for me, and i did have this conversation with a lesbian who was more masculine than feminine. we came to the conclusion that feminine women are viewed as not able to do the work, and more masculine women are thought of as equals in this area. it was hard for me because i was a sexy feminine woman, who could hold her own with a wrench as well as keep up with their mentalality as well.
there are not many women who can hold their own wiht a man and keep up wiht them and still hold their feminity, alot of women feel that this is an either or thing, it is not. while i was doing this i was also working as a nude model and, i am also an excelent cook and craftswoman as well. (ok i can sew but only with industrial machines at this time). im also able to hold several kinds of conversation from all angles, with out bias for any reason.
i had to work hard for what i am. i am proud of what i am. and there is no person in this world who can tell me that i am not able to do any thing that i do not want to do because of my sex. that is a load of crap.

I never said women are physically weak. I said that men are stronger than women physically because men have more testosterones. I'm sorry, but this is SCIENCE. Science is FAR MORE accurate than your inductive reasoning. I had several teachers that had confirmed this. Your proof of knowing some women stronger than others is merely an inductive reasoning.

I feel sorry for your broken pelvis, but really, that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. If you can quote where I said women are incapable of doing things compared to men, please do so. I said men are physically stronger than women, but that doesn't mean in all the cases.

[bbnflpn]

you said

Originally Posted by guyklc
I think women are stronger than men in many areas, but I have to disagree with anyone who says women are stronger than men physically. It is not that I am a sexist, but science proves it. Women do not have testosterones. There is no way a normal woman can be stronger than a normal man because they lack this hormone. Now, like I said, I am no sexist, but science proves this.

you are stating that women do NOT have testosterone. and that is a false statement. women and men both have testosterone and estrogen. it is science as you said.

i was only correcting you on that part. sorce http://www.usdoctor.com/testtwo.htm

Testosterone is recognized as the hormone of desire: it makes muscles for boys and turns them into sexually functional men. But testosterone is very important to a woman, too. She produces increased amounts of this hormone in her puberty, because testosterone is the precursor to estrogen. Without testosterone, there would be no "woman."

[Mighty Aramir]

As Elocin said, we all have different chemical compositions, making us all different. In the way we react, and the way we think and the way we feel. And the levels of testosterone ans estrogen varies from male to male, and from female to female. therefore attempting to discriminate or judge someone just because "we males produce more testosterone" its senseless.

[Guy]

you said
you are stating that women do NOT have testosterone. and that is a false statement. women and men both have testosterone and estrogen. it is science as you said.
i was only correcting you on that part. sorce http://www.usdoctor.com/testtwo.htm

Ah, forgive me that I said they do not have testosterones. However, fact is that science explains that normal women cannot be stronger than normal men. Of course, there are always exceptions.

[bbnflpn]

actually they can, alot of women are just as strong as men but they dont belive that they are because people should view them as weaker, or they never tried to lift anything other than a keenex.

i didnt grow up that way, if we were not sick or injured we did all the same work. in the garage, yard, bus, house, lifting pulling pushing.

the only thing i got out of was the lawn mowing cause of my legs. but i assure you that i was just as strong as a man if not stronger in some cases and i barley weighed 100 lbs, yet i could lift alot more than i weighed

[Nicole]

Hmmm, I can agree with you on that one point, bbnflpn. However, naturally I believe men are physically stronger than a woman. That's not to say that if a woman were to work out that she couldn't keep up with the men. But if you have a man and a woman who never worked out doing the same work, I think the man would be stronger than the woman. This is because of a man's increased amounts of testosterone as opposed to the woman's.

[bbnflpn]

i do agree that men tend to be stronger dont get me wrong on that, and you get what im saying about women not realizeing their strength.

me im not as strong as i once was. because of my body not being able to keep up with my self. i am glad that i had the surgery done, (i would have been in a wheel chair by the time i was 30 if i didnt do it this was all due to a birth defect btw) i am 31 now, and even though i have minor relapses when i do need to use the chair, i do not have to be in it all the time, and i can live a some what normal life.

i miss the days when i could do things with out worry, i liked to do physical work, it was wonderful. but alas, my body says no.

i made it a point to not let any one tell me that i could not do something cause i was a girl. and i have accomplished much in my life, i cant do the things i want to do any more but i did get to do them at one time and that makes me happy. i do miss riding horses and working on cars. at least i can be somewhat useful in the fact that i am now back at sears working as a sales person. i just started, i am a bit nervouse about the whole thing since i have worked there before and there are guys that are still there from the 12 years ago when i was a mechanic, i hope they dont mess with me too much about not being a mechanic any more. i know they wanted me to come back and they asked me when ever they saw me after i left.

[Muja]

I don’t understand these people why would u discriminate a woman. I love Woman, I love woman. I do not wan image it without them. I do not want to lead to the direction of being gay (Nothing against them at all, I just don’t get it why they choice a man’s hole instead of a woman’s pussy). Anyway I’m muslim too. Don’t worry about where I live man they got as much right as men here, they spank me the whole time I’m getting tired of it. Can someone help me here please. But sometimes it depends on the family. It all ends on what kind of people that woman is living with. Not only with muslim families but the world it self.

[Anubisrage]

Lets be clear, people will do some things wheter u want them too or not.
And I do believe some women need help because the are being oppressed.
But women are not helpless, if a woman needs to, she can accomplish anything... Women are not some THING living near men, they form the basis of our society.
A man works so he can feed, dress, please his family and wife.
without women, there would be no real pleasure in life, no real goal for a man, thus making his life dull.
Women have the power to choose, if they think that they are being oppressed or descriminated against, they will do something about it eventually.
So I say this, treat ur wife, girlfriend, fiance, or just a girl u know or just seen with the respect and love she deserves, and this problem will vanish into thin air...

[Xferox 02]

different culture have different ideas, but yeah i totaly agree that all mankind should be equal regardless of your religion or culture. people should feel free to express them self as long as they dont harm other people. equalty is the #1 rule to human survival. lol with out man woman cant survive either, but my point is that woman are as important as man too, one cannot exist with out the other, but discrimmination against the other sex is not equality.

[Asaki Mika]

Yah you're right. I am very much in favor with your brilliant idea! ^_^.
God had created us equally so therefore we are all equal in the eyes of God but I understand the fact that we are only human. But it doesn't mean that we are given the authority to discriminate women. The world must not be unjust! A man must be a gentleman towards women and we must love our neighbors as we love ourselves.