The Best Martial Arts (in your opinion)

[iQing]

There are many forms of martial arts.

I know some of you might say that it is about the skill not the style, and luck/situations have to take into consideration. I understand.

but for this discussion
letz just focus on the form factor
assume everyone is highly skilled and had advance training.




OK, which form is the best in your opinion?
you can state Mixed martial arts if you like.

i am surprise that MMA quite neglet kung fu / chinese martial arts.
I heard that many martial artists who learn various arts choose to use taichi/kung fu as their primary fighting system. but hell it lacks in MMA ????
MMA uses a lot of judo but in real life hua yuan jia alone pawned a group of judo elites with kung fu, solo handed.

I heard muay thai is powerful but I also notice in professional fights between kungfu and muay thai, the kungfu guys won... I mean professionals where both sides are highly skilled n trained.. We can compare forms in amateur fights.



IMO I think the best combo for me is triple gems of shaolin + advance TaiChi pushing hands. here arfe the reasons :


triple shaolin killer moves :

martial QiGong + Dim Mak + Grabbing

1)
the martial QiGong used in shaolin is a form of iron shirt where they practice infusingg Chi to organs and tissue. the advance fighter can shield themselves from cuts and pieces from various weapons. Physical hit cannot harm them, even in vital parts like neck and groin.

2)
Dim Mak
it is a skill of hitting various pressure points precisely causing unconsciousneess, numbless and various side effects, including death.
no matter how giants size is the opponent,.
a stirke at the right point at the right time will cause death

3)
Grabbing
the chinese use grabbing to lock opponents of twist+break their joins.

Jet Li in fearless used dim mak, taichi pushing hands and grabbing to overcome hercules o brian the giant fighter.


TaiChi advance pushing hands can lift people up or using opponents attack to strike back, taking little effort, just need some skill to spin off direct punchs and kicks.


I think that is the best combo
with internal and external martial arts

MMA doesnt have internal martial arts component.
Iron shirt QiGong itselfs provide the ultimate defense and with Qigong offence, it will be death for the opponents.

why the hell a group of judo elites cannot pawn huo yuan jia?
IMO he uses advance QiGong martial arts . when one qigong master rooted on ground, he cannot be moved, yet being thrown. therefore judo cannot deal damage to QiGong/internal martial artist.

[Kriceº]

Grabbing :o
Twist and break their joints!

[iQing]

Grabbing :o
Twist and break their joints!


yeah

i read that muay thai lost to some of the wushu/chinese martial arts fighter because of grabbing.

muay thai cannot work in too close combat

[toxxin]

I have always been a fan of kung fu, and have studied it for just under 2 years. I'm pretty sure that the MMA doesn't use it though because it is a very deadly art. The MMA group is for sport, little competitions such as cage fight matches (UFC). Kung fu is a bit too violent for that, as most advanced blows/techniques are to finish the enemy quick, usually in deadly ways.

[Malice]

I know I'll sound unfair here, but I'm going with Jeet Kun Do. (the style Bruce Lee invented.)

[Night Prowler]

I'm going with JKD aswell out of the three Martial Arts I've done (Karate, Thai Boxing and JKD) this is my favourite.

Also being a big Bruce Lee fan helps sway the decision :P .

[SoundWave]

Awww fark it!!!!.. I wrote a shitload of stuff, but I'm not doing it again..(got logged out)

Imo it is Daido Juku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daido_Juku).. (click the link and check it out if you dunno what it is)

Myeah it's both offensive and defensive and one of the fundamentals is realistic combat without compromisng your own safety(hybrid martial arts).. I dun really know how they're holding out in MMA though, but I've seen a couple of fights and was very impressed..

I dun believe in the chi mumbo jumbo.. so I'll stick with Daido Juku for now..

[sto67]

hapkido for the win. ive done taekwondo and hapkido and have fought kung fu and karate people as well.

karate just sucks balls to be honest lol weak strikes with no particular emphasis on any style or form.
kung fu is strong, but somewhat limited by style imo, only strong people can get good at kung fu. i have respect for kung fu people though due to the physical training they go through and the wide array of techniques they implement.

taekwondo focuses on powerful kicks and that is the major strength. there is a kick for pretty much every situation and if kicks dont work then there are strikes to complement it. however there is no grappling arts so if you get grabbed you are in trouble.

hapkido is by far the best martial art imo. it is a complete martial art in the fact that it includes strikes, kicks, grappling and weapon arts. it focuses on the philosophy of flowing water in that all techniques gain its power from being smooth and flowing. technique can overcome strength and its true, i am not the strongest in the class but when i execute my techniques correctly i can bring down my instructor.

and chi isn't just imaginary imo. physical strength has little to do with chi. chi is pretty much the combination of how good your technique is and your determination to throw that strike. the more determined you are for that strike to hit, the more powerful it is. you might just think you hit harder and faster but its not. slow strikes can hurt just as much as quick ones and it isnt because the person is stronger, its the intent that they put behind that attack. its also not restricted to any one martial art.

[iQing]

chi hit is literally like neji jyuuken
Neji is created out of inspiration of chi and dimmak.

[SoundWave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4iIJ2_e3pM

...... hmmm

[iQing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4iIJ2_e3pM

...... hmmm


doesnt look like dim mak at all... maybe his own version of energy arts?

[Arei]

I've only trained in tae kown do, its worked for me, I win in sparring often because I kick like a horse xD my arms are probably the most tender part of my body (im seriously) so I try to do whatever I can so my arms aren't hit hard, but i'd sacrifice them to protect my face xD

In some unknown martial art program I did for about 2 classes as a trial I learned a few things about grappling, but probably not at the most useful level lol. Currently it would be my last resort if I kick to the head didn't work.

I would like to learn hapkido but I seriously doubt its taught anywhere around here. I learned tae kwan do at my old gymnastics place during the summers at my grandparents, that was the only formal tae kwan do dojo i've ever found, well there was one but with traffic it was too far away to get there on time after school.

All of the other places are karate, or even more common are those crappy places that are a "mixture" of random martial arts, which I just call "half-assed karate", thats basically what it is. Theres no real name for it because its not pure karate or tae kwan do and the ranks are beyond confusing.

Now I would like to learn Caeporia... THAT looks so cool *_*

[iQing]

this is applied to the combo i mentioned
an extreme application of QiGong in martial art
called iron shirt QiGong
body and internal organs are strengthen greatly with Chi
so that a person becomes a tank.
go to amazon.com and get a book on iron shirt qigong by mantak chia :D

video demo :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4El4ea4hTak

heres another video. iron shirt applied to the throat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz94wiwx2hI&mode=related&search=


question :
can hapkido , daido juku and melee weapons take down a QiGong grandmaster?

[Arei]

To answer your question iQing, I think it depends (when using weapons against a master of another martial art) on how good of a fighter YOU are. Honestly even if your skills are at a very high level you could probably get brought down by a grand master in QiGong. You probably need to be a grandmaster yourself in the arts you mentioned above, then the rest probably has to do with each opponent's skill level/intuition/style/etc. Least, thats what I think xD

[sto67]

ive read up a bit on qigong and from what i have read it seems like it is just a method of breathing which helps control your body's circulation and blood flow. i dont doubt it contributes to a better usage and understanding of chi, but i do not believe that it will make somebody a "tank".
it will help them take blows so that it doesnt hurt as much, but thats about it. its not magic that will make somebody super strong, it just makes them more tolerant to pain.

[Cleric]

I'm all for Aikido b/c it allows someone small to take down someone big relatively easily ^_^ V,,

In my opinion all martial arts styles are nothing more than an advanced study in physics . . . mass, velocity, surface area, kinetic energy, potential energy, etc. . . . if you understand the basic laws of physics taking someone down is no problem at all ^_^

[thousand sakuras]

since i have a strong belief in chivalry and peacefulness i don't really fight...but this one time i got picked on by a bully...reffering to my religion...i instantly crusaded with my judo...^^

[rei]

i like jet li's he pwns in kiss of the dragon. for a gurl like me its most suited because its cqb type of fighting

[Asaki Mika]

For me.. the best martial art is the Filipino martial art which is arnis ...^^
either defensive or offensive^^.

[Lex]

I enjoyed Judo but there was no fun in it really! I'm now doing Haedong Kumda, martial arts with a weapon, so far I'm a blue belt but all I use is the wooden blade, fun and makes you sweat but it works on all the body parts. Both offensive and defensive, the way it's meant to be!

[charmednwicked]

well i don't know which would be considered the 'best' exactly. right now i'm in Tae Kwon Do, Brown Belt 2nd Degree. it's a lot of fun. our instructor says we may get into weapons soon and i'm praying we will because i've always wanted to learn.

[iQing]

I am going to do iron shirt internal martial arts soon
maybe in future I will do ba gua and xing yi (Hsing I)
I heard the grandmaster of ba gua disarmed a pistol assassin in real life
more info on wikipedia :D

[SoundWave]

doesnt look like dim mak at all... maybe his own version of energy arts?
yea probably :)...

[Askand]

Well I dont have a category to say there is the best martial arts. But I think that if you can combine different styles, you can get a killer or more effective way of defense. I was white belt on Sholin Tsu Kwang and took a course of Aikido. Unfortunately I wasnt prepare at that time for the arts. I think I wasnt aware enough or mature enough. Since I never practice the moves I forgot most of them. Right now, I'm taking Gumdo which is the Korean version of Kendo. I really like it and I'm having fun with it. This time I'm really commited so I hope to gain my black belt at least in 3 years(my goal so far). After that I will see if I can take some Tai Chi. I like it cause you can go to your pace and also is helpful in many ways.

[iQing]

This form of martial arts looks kick ass :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfqvPIJSIME

[toxxin]

lol ive seen that vid before :P

I've had buddies make the same style vids, but they were worse at the fighting, but made better effects

[iQing]

lol ive seen that vid before :P
I've had buddies make the same style vids, but they were worse at the fighting, but made better effects


something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrk3bnCHWA8

waaaa the good old days of wushu performing :)

[SomberChaos]

I would say brazilian ju jitsu, it focuses on grappling and submissions. Its not the most exciting thing to watch, but it works. This one dude named Royce Gracie, is probably the best fighter of this style. He weighs 170 lbs and he took out a man named Akebono who is 6'8 486 lbs. in just 2 mins into the fight. here is the fight. it is truely amazing! watch it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_svVIDORQ

[Z_Blitz]

/Moved to Sports and Hobbies.

I don't know whats the best form of martial arts in general, but there are quite a few that attract my attention. Hapkido, Capoeira and a few kung fu styles (like the drunken fist one) are some of my few favourites. That however has little to do with the fact of how powerful they are in real life.

I don't think you can generally categorize martial arts into which one is more "powerful" than the other like that. It really depends on the person using the techniques. So if for example a karate expert were to fight a taekwondo one of the same level, then the outcome of this match proves little about which style is superior. It'd only prove which one is better at executing his/her techniques and making good use of the openings and weaknesses his/her opponent shows.

[Vlad]

Well I am Golden Belt in Wu-Shu. Also I learned some QiGong. Cigoone energy style.

Hard to say which one is better, it's all depends from situation. I think kung-fu is more adaptable for situation, can be used better against numerous opponents.

I personally use MMA, mostly stand up fighting, do not like to roll around.

[EndlessSky]

I've read/heard that Wushu is mainly for show/performing and not that practical in actual combat. I really don't think there is a "best martial art" because each has its own strengths/weakness and good in different sitautions, it just depends on what suits you and what you are most comfortable with.

[Que Sera Sera]

Taekwondo and hapkido are awesome but has anyone heard of Extreme Martial Arts it is so AWESOME!!!!!
Because:
1: Somersaults are like lower than basic to them because they do 540 Degrees
turns IN mid air
2: It consists of all major martial arts(I think, I know that Taekwondo is in there...)
3: They use kicks and combines them with somersaults to make AWESOME moves

[SomberChaos]

the purpose of fighting is not to look cool.... although it might. I have never heard of this style before, and i am guessing that is more towards entertainment than fighting.

[Que Sera Sera]

It is actually equally both

[SomberChaos]

prove it!

[Que Sera Sera]

NO offense but you should know all Martial arts are both for entertainment and self defense. End of line

[EndlessSky]

Martial Arts

any of the traditional forms of Oriental self-defense or combat that utilize physical skill and coordination without weapons. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Martial%20arts)

Also, doesn't Martial mean war?, meaning they were arts developed for being used in war, no where do I see they were made for entertainment, although these days they are and as a sport.

[Vlad]

I've read/heard that Wushu is mainly for show/performing and not that practical in actual combat. I really don't think there is a "best martial art" because each has its own strengths/weakness and good in different sitautions, it just depends on what suits you and what you are most comfortable with.
Wu-Shu used very widely in Chinese martial art movies, that part that people see mostly.
Second part Wu-Shu is very strong in hand to hand combat, it's have survived for 3,000 years.

When I have reached Red Belt in Wu-Shu several years ago, sensei gave as choices: to specialize and train in entertainment Wu-Shu or continue with combat (hand to hand) Wu-Shu. Well I chose hand to hand.

[Que Sera Sera]

No offense SomberChaos but no need to get violent, it is just a discussion

[SLVR]

Muay Thai

[tears_of_blood]

I train Aikido. The principles of the art obligate me to say that no martial art is better than the other, but that the principles are just different and are used in different situations.
Though if you want to improve your mind, body, and spirit through a martial art, I'd say that Aikido would be your best bet.

[Lust]

hmm almost of the martial its the best.....but the truely best one is...no idea but i think is taekwondo

[Darkit]

I gotta go with Dim Mak, =) gotta love damaging internally.

[Akira Tsubasa]

I know most Martial Arts From Playing games like Tekken so i gotta say Capoeira its done by Eddy Gordo in Tekken :biggrinlo and Bob Makihara from Tenjou Tenge

it just looks so dam kool and must take some skill to be able to hit someone whilst spinning like that

[Epyon94]

personally my favorite Martial Art is that from Korea, known as Tae Kwon Do.
I find that it has a good balance of upper and lower body techniques, and requires you to use your head while fighting.
Of course I am probably bias seeing as I got my black-belt in Tae Kwon Do about 2 years ago...

[Olrox]

Dim Mak or anyother "master" would not last a second in a mma ring against someone like Fedor, Cro cop or hell against almost anyone half decent from pride/ufc. Moves like that simply won't work when the opponent is going to take you down and smash your face in, not stand there and let you hit him. Imo the best styles are:

1.MMA
2.Muay Thai
3.Kick boxing
4.Boxing
5.Brazilian ju jitsu
6.Sambo can't be too bad if the almighty Fedor trains in it (or atleast used to)

You need to have alot of hard contact in the trainings, otherwise you'll never learn how everything works in a real situation where everything goes.

"video demo :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4El4ea4hTak"

I could not help but laugh at this. All the strikes seem really weak, seems like they're not even trying.

"when one qigong master rooted on ground, he cannot be moved, yet being thrown."

Anyone can be thrown, if your just gonna stand there your going down and fast. If you mean he's already on the ground and you can't move him, then he's gonna get kicked in the face.

"question :
can hapkido , daido juku and melee weapons take down a QiGong grandmaster?"

A good hit to the jaw or liver will drop anyone, so ofcourse a freaking weapon can take the guy down (or even kill him) but you wont need a weapon to take him down. You really really overestimate these guys.

[Mercurius]

Judo...

Cause I do this one myself, quite good at it have been doing it for about 8 years now and I'm planning on going for black this or next year, You need to be 16 to take the Exam wich I'll become in May.

I like it because it's a sport wich needs good timing with techniques, speed and some understanding of your ´enemy´ not just brute dumb brute force, cause with Judo it'll just be used against you and that is the whole principle use the other guys strenght and weaknesses.

[Guy]

Taekwondo is awesome, but for the BEST martial arts... I'm going with the Chinese qi gong.

In this martial arts, all your power is focused on "chi" (energy), and not your muscles (well, sorta is, but mostly on "chi"). You do no real external damage, but you do hell of a lot of internal damage. Your opponent is some big dude with heavy armor and iron-skin like Kenpachi? No problem! With qi kong, you won't be able to pierce his armor, but INSTEAD, you can destroy his organs and shatter his bones without ever piercing his armor. OUCH! How are you gonna fix that?

[renniw]

I am a black belt in Tae Kwan Do And agree that its a great martial art but its not the best.

IM"Biased"O I Would say that Hapkido is at least in the top 3. I am a green belt in Hapkido and it has a great blend of offensive, defensive and throwing/Wrist Manipulation Techniques. As far as I know or learned there are no grappling techniques so I can't say it is the best.

I Think that ultimatly you need to blend different styles of martial arts anyways so there is no real "best" for me.

[DJ Hayabusa:D]

my favo is xma ^^ extreme martial arts .
there are not many groups in Germany xma makes. my hobby evenly ^^

[Christopher11]

Jeet-Kun-Do Bruce Lee was the one who developed it, it is Gung-Fu.

[Sekei]

Shotokhan i'm in, can't say it's the best cause senseitold us toeveryone they will believe thattheir style is the best.

[Olrox]

A Kiai master fights a amateur mma fighter. http://www.comegetyousome.com/viewvid.php?id=1469

[SunnyPie♥]

Mmm..

Kung Fu~! =D

[skyoon]

A Kiai master fights a amateur mma fighter. http://www.comegetyousome.com/viewvid.php?id=1469

/laughs

MMA is overrated IMO, but its always good to see frauds being taught a lesson :Haha

I don't like to rank martial arts specifically so here are a few I think are especially effective:

-Hapkido
-Aikijutusu
-Muay Thai
-Krav Maga (sp?)
-Systema

note the abscence of chinese martial arts, which, (excuse me if i offend anyone here) I believe are more about show and less about effectiveness (all that twirling/flailing can be stopped pretty easily with a good punch to the throat....).

[SoulReaper109]

I do Muay Thai and it can make you sweat sooo much, well I do anyway:Domo

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

The best martial arts IMO is Boxing!! its the simple but its so much entertaining.. and you can make so much money out of it!!

[scholar]

I like how EndlessSky put it, there is no superior Martial Art. I believe its only the person who can become superior to others. Martial Arts were at first designed for warfare, but then moved towards a spiritual angle, to develop the inner self. I have practiced Tae Kwon Do for 9 years now, and I feel free to say it is no better than any other Martial Art out there. The nice thing about Martial Arts is you can apply what you learn from other arts to your primary art, be it the hard knees and elbow strikes of Muay Thai, the grappling of Wing Chun, or the joint locks and throws of aikido and judo. This is a really nice conversation to be having, everyone gets to put their own opinions and thoughts on the table.

[Anil]

Oh wow what an interesting thread. If I get some more time I'll read more later.

Personally, anyone who's done some study of martial arts will know that there is no "best" style. However, a few things have become apparent in my studying.

Chinese Shaolin Kung Fu styles are among the strongest martial arts, but they are extremely time consuming to learn. If you want to dedicate your life to perfection of a martial art, it would be wise to choose one of these.

However, most of us have other things to do with our lives, so less time consuming and more practical martial arts are a plus.

I'm going to say Jujitsu derivatives are your best bet, as most of them have a combination of striking, grappling and manipulation. So anything like Karate or Hapkido, etc.

I think it's also important to realize that for an individual, some styles will be more effective than others.

Edit- My personal favorite thing to do when it comes to martial arts is learn basics from different styles. I would like to get some formal training in a style if I have the chance though. Favorite styles to watch are Karate and Tae kwan do

[BeMused]

I'm going to say Jujitsu derivatives are your best bet, as most of them have a combination of striking, grappling and manipulation. So anything like Karate or Hapkido, etc.

Oh man, I was waiting someone would say that!

I was introduced to Ninjutsu last year and I would say that it is not easy. There are basically three principles to it. One of them being Jujitsu. I only managed to cover this one aspect before calling it a session, i.e. I gave up. For a person who has been as inactive for years as me who suddenly exposed to such strenuous exercise...It was hard!

At least when certain tight situation arises I have more chance of getting away from it. lolz...

[theblack_dragon]

for me ju-jitsu i studied the art and i like the tempo at which things are done other than other styles which move at a more slower pace

[BeMused]

..... i like the tempo at which things are done other than other styles which move at a more slower pace

lolz I understand how it feels. My friend who once commented that one move in TaiChi equals a thousand moves in other branches in Wushu. He also added that TaiChi is always so quiet. :Haha

[opusx]

NO offense but you should know all Martial arts are both for entertainment and self defense. End of line
You need to get a clue and stop acting like you know something. Martial arts have nothing to do with entertainment, and were certainly not developed for it. There are many people like myself who have never competed or done a show of skill and train purely for the love of it. Many in areas that is necessaruy train purely because their life depends on it. What you have said is a tremendous insult to those people who often fight to protect themselves and family, and the people who train because they love it and have found a far deeper meaning than "looking cool" doing a flip.


Jeet-Kun-Do Bruce Lee was the one who developed it, it is Gung-Fu.
No! it is not Kung Fu. Jeet Kun Do was developed because Bruce was sick of the extreme indoctrination of martial arts. He understood you can't be fixed in a single position because it is what your "master" would do or the art dictates you do. Everyone has different abilities therefore they need different responses.
JKD is mixed martisl arts, there really is no difference. They are both styles with no styles. Whatever works for the situation is the best. I would definitely say that these are the best "styles" as far as street application. I started boxing when I was young, and that is always very good for street. When I got older I took wing chun, which is ok but still far to fixed of a style to transition to the street. Kali was about the same, well a little better for the street. Any belt factory regardless of the style, is worthless on the street. However, the main benefit of taking martial arts is raising self esteem, ;earning self discipline, and to get healthy. Therefore, it really doesn't matter what you take so long as you enjoy it. Unless you plan to compete in mixed martial arts or get into fights regurlarly just take what interests you and enjoy it.

[opusx]

Judo...
Cause I do this one myself, quite good at it have been doing it for about 8 years now and I'm planning on going for black this or next year, You need to be 16 to take the Exam wich I'll become in May.
I like it because it's a sport wich needs good timing with techniques, speed and some understanding of your ´enemy´ not just brute dumb brute force, cause with Judo it'll just be used against you and that is the whole principle use the other guys strenght and weaknesses.


no one 16 years old should have a black belt, however, there shouldn't be age restrictions on it. I never cared much for belts, however, I dislike schools that #1 charge a fee for testing and #2 that place too high an emphasis on your belt color. To reach the highest levels of ones art should take 20+ years of extreme dedication.What has happened with these schools has taken the incredible accomplishment gettiing a black belt should be.

[oekidani]

Did you know that Chuck Norris got beat by a man named Willie Adams?

[Olrox]

Did you know that Chuck Norris got beat by a man named Willie Adams?

Chuck Norris was hardly anything special, same goes for Bruce Lee. Neither ever did anything to prove that they are top tier fighters, and Lee even ducked fights afaik. Just watch Bruce Lee's home training tape, the mystique surrounding him is quickly gone, his boxing for example is awful. Don't get me wrong, I like him and his movies, but it's sad that people think that he was anywhere near the best fighter of all time. It's also sad to see people make money off his name.

[BeMused]

no one 16 years old should have a black belt, however, there shouldn't be age restrictions on it. I never cared much for belts, however, I dislike schools that #1 charge a fee for testing and #2 that place too high an emphasis on your belt color. To reach the highest levels of ones art should take 20+ years of extreme dedication.What has happened with these schools has taken the incredible accomplishment gettiing a black belt should be.
I think it is the experience that counts, though most of the time the experience one gains is limited to the relative safety of indoor environments.

I agree on the charging and the emphasis on the colours of the belt. I am not a dedicated student myself, but too many friends that I know own a black belt at an young age. They stop practicing right after that. It makes me wonder the reasons they took the class for.

[opusx]

I think it is the experience that counts, though most of the time the experience one gains is limited to the relative safety of indoor environments.
I agree on the charging and the emphasis on the colours of the belt. I am not a dedicated student myself, but too many friends that I know own a black belt at an young age. They stop practicing right after that. It makes me wonder the reasons they took the class for.


I think you are dead on 100% correct. They got their status symbol, "black belt", then they stopped training. This shows how ridiculous it has gotten in the western world. A true black belt would have been training so long and be so involved in the art it would be such a part of their life they would never even think of quitting. Earning a black belt should be a symbol of years of dedication and someone who is at a skill level where they are among the top in the art world wide. The other belt colors suffer from this as well. brown should also be quite an achievement and show that the person is extremely dedicated and on their way to becoming a master. Instead no one cares about any belt besides a black belt.

[Chikiru]

I LOVE JAPANESE KENPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And Tae Kwon Do I also love Bruce lees fighting style yet he says he dosn't have a fighting style [hmmmmm?]

[mangaman16]

i would say capoeira anyday because it's dancing,playing around,acrobatics,throws, alot of kicks.It has everything i like

[.Rik-uh-shey]

Imo

1. Ju-Jitsu
2. Muay Thai
3. Escrimas

If you have a background of both Ju-jitsu and Muay Thai then well, you can take anything. You would be comfortable whether fighting standing up or taking it to the ground.

[Neko Kyo]

Akaido? is that what it's called?
@mangaman: your avvy has me name on it. Whoo~

[Sono i Lupi]

no form is the best
havent u guys ever watched fearless?
its not the form its the person
if the person is better at his form he will win
the form doesnt do the work, the person does
its not jujitsu's better then tae kwon do, or tai chi is better then kung fu
their all martial arts, its which individual is better
this topic should be whose the best martial artist

[Sono i Lupi]

I LOVE JAPANESE KENPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And Tae Kwon Do I also love Bruce lees fighting style yet he says he dosn't have a fighting style [hmmmmm?]

technically he does, and technically he doesnt
his whole ideal is u do anything and everything to defend yourself
that means biting, pinching, anything
yes it includes kicks and strikes and etc
but its a type of free form
his "form" was a mixture of his own Jun Fan Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do
but their all free form
you dont learn one way of doing things
you learn how do to the basic things, and some advanced stuff
and u apply them in a fight as they come
cause when ur fighting for your life your not trying to score points or get grapples or do take downs, your trying to stop the other person from hurting you
which involves a lot less then you think

[JJAB91]

Ninjitsu thats all I need to say. And not that fake Naruto ninjitsu ether I mean the real thing.

[Neko Kyo]

double post ^_^

[Sono i Lupi]

heres a fun bruce lee fun fact

yea sorry about the double post i was answerin a question

"Bruce Lee also appeared at the 1967 Long Beach International Karate Championships[26] and performed various demonstrations, including the infamous "unstoppable punch" with USKA world karate champion Vic Moore. Bruce would announce to Vic Moore that he was going to throw a straight punch to his face, and all he had to do was block it. He would take several steps back and ask if Moore was ready, when Moore nodded in affirmation, Lee would glide towards him until he was within striking range. He would then throw a straight punch directly at Moore's face and stop before impact. In eight attempts, Moore blocked zero punches. [27]"

[Olrox]

I still don't understand why people think so highly about Bruce Lee. He never did anything to prove that he's a world class fighter, he even ducked fights. Why do people still belive in the mystique that was once associated with martial arts ?

this topic should be whose the best martial artist

Without a doubt, it's "The Last Emperor". So far the greatest martial artist of all time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

cause when ur fighting for your life your not trying to score points or get grapples or do take downs, your trying to stop the other person from hurting you

Uhh, taking the the person down would most likely be the best thing to do. Most people are helpless on the ground, and you can just freely smash the persons head in, or choke him out.

[Kurz Weber]

In my opinion I believe the best Martial Art form is a combination of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Muy Thai/Eskrima. Muy Thai has much for long distance and power strikes. Eskrima helps at extreme close range still in the standing position, not to mention it's many counters that provide lethal techniques. Most of it's simple guard techniques to prevent grappling or straight attacks have a likely chance to fracture or break bones. The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is EASILY the best form of martial art for grappling. So when it comes down to it and you failed to prevent a grappling move with Eskrima and you have been breached of the effectiveness of the Muy Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu can outdo any other grappling techniques. Many of those moves can break bones or can break the grapple and get you back into effect range of your Muy Thai on a totally then undefended opponent. Also Eskrima provides a hell of a lot on knife, shortsword, and stick fighting. Teaching how to fight unarmed if the other is armed also, if the scenario comes up that you need it. But normally if someone would decide to yank a knife on me I'd bust a cap in their ass. :biggrinki

[~TheRenji~]

i like to watch Muay Thai fights.....the bare knuckle fights....

[mangaman16]

Yea Muay Thai is really good to watch.I first found out about it after watching Ong Bak.The same actor from ong bak also did some cool fighting in Tom Yum Goong.I don't know what martial arts he was using so it was probally a mixture of different martial arts.

[Shadow_Strider]

Well this is what I think, based on my experiences.

I train in Kung Fu/Tai Chi Chuan/Shaolin. My teacher is Master Huang who grew up at a temple in China, and at 18 decided to leave and pursue his life instead of becoming a Monk. To make a long story short he came to America 12 years ago, and due to a chain of events decided to teach me. He has been my Master for 11 years now. I believe that the combination I have been training in is one of the best. I have for about a year now been training in Shaolin Kung Fu, and I also do iron body training regularly. Do to the speed, control, and focused strength in attacks I find the combination extremely effective. I have fought a lot of fights against a lot of different styles and have not been defeated. With my training I strengthen my Mind, Body, and Spirit. By training my mind, I increase focus, and determination, as well as strategy. By training my body, I increase speed, strength, control, and reflexes. Finally by training my spirit, I increase my endurance, resolve, and qi control. I used to go to martial arts classes just a couple times a week, just so I could participate in matches, but I haven’t in 2 years because it’s just not a challenge. I believe this is because of the training I do compared to martial arts classes. Master Huang trains me the way he was trained at his temple, and although it is extremely effective, it would probably be considered abuse.

Anyway this combination is the best I have seen, I have gone to a gym and challenged a MMA fighter (the guy was a arrogant ass and truly believed MMA was superior do to brute strength, so I decided to enlighten him), and lets just say it was a short fight, I took out his legs and delivered a focused attack to his chest, which left him on the ground with the wind knocked out of him. I fought 2 more MMA guys at the gym because they challenged me, they said they were better then the first guy, and that I got lucky. So needless to say the last two fights weren’t any different time wise. The second guy I dealt with pretty much the same way as the first, but the third guy I knocked out with one attack, I jumped and did a round house which left him out for a few seconds. I also didn’t want to hurt them badly, I pretty much just wanted to put them in their place, because they live in the same area and were basically thugs that enjoyed beating up on weaker people ,so I held back a lot on my attacks. If I had wanted to hurt them I could of easily used a much stronger focused attack, and shattered some of their ribs, or worse. There are a lot of attacks in the styles I train in that can be used to kill your opponent in a matter of seconds, but of course these are attacks that are never to be used in a normal fight.

Anyway sorry for the wall of text, I just wanted to explain how traditional teachings of Kung Fu/Tai Chi Chuan/Shaolin, are superior to modern day styles do to the effectiveness and control of your attacks.

[Olrox]

Anyway sorry for the wall of text, I just wanted to explain how traditional teachings of Kung Fu/Tai Chi Chuan/Shaolin, are superior to modern day styles do to the effectiveness and control of your attacks.

Funny how still the Kung Fu "Masters" etc. got destroyed in the early UFC days, not to mention that they usually only accepts fights that have lighter rules (no stomps, strikes on the ground etc.)
Here's a video I already posted in this thread ( I can't post UFC clips, you have to search for them yourself).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

If I had wanted to hurt them I could of easily used a much stronger focused attack, and shattered some of their ribs, or worse. There are a lot of attacks in the styles I train in that can be used to kill your opponent in a matter of seconds, but of course these are attacks that are never to be used in a normal fight.

Beliving your own hype is one of the worst things a fighter can do, fight a decent opponent and you will be quickly humbled. The "My mighty magical chi powers will shatter his bones" is bullshit anyway, I can't belive you really belive that. Your stories sound shady too.

Anyway sorry for the wall of text, I just wanted to explain how traditional teachings of Kung Fu/Tai Chi Chuan/Shaolin, are superior to modern day styles do to the effectiveness and control of your attacks.

MMA is one of the most ancient fighting "styles" in the world, ever heard of pankration ? Kung Fu is modern compared to MMA.

[Shadow_Strider]

Funny how still the Kung Fu "Masters" etc. got destroyed in the early UFC days, not to mention that they usually only accepts fights that have lighter rules (no stomps, strikes on the ground etc.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
Beliving your own hype is one of the worst things a fighter can do, fight a decent opponent and you will be quickly humbled. The "My mighty magical chi powers will shatter his bones" is bullshit anyway, I can't belive you really belive that. Your stories sound shady too.
MMA is one of the most ancient fighting "styles" in the world, ever heard of pankration ? Kung Fu is modern compared to MMA.
What are you some MMA UFC fanboy?

The only reason MMA fighters win in UFC is because it is made to be in their favor. You can not do anything that could severly harm your opponent. In a fight on the streets with no rules or confined areas, a MMA fighter is at a disadvantage, and his ability to make graples is reduced. Someone skilled in Kung Fu or other Martial Arts, designed for taking out your opponent and not just for sport, would be able to take out the MMA fighter without much trouble.

As for "My mighty magical chi powers will shatter his bones" thing, i never said anyting about useing some type of qi to shater bones. I mentiond that in training you can better focus qi. Qi is basicly your energy and by focusing your qi (energy) into a condinced spot, the amount of force goes up a lot. How do you think people break bricks and other things. They focus all of their energy into the boney part of their lower palm since it is boney and can hit a small spot due to it, the amout of force x the condensed point of the impacted, it increases damage. Think of it like punching a window, if you just punch the window if it is a stron window it won't break. But if you were to compress that energy into a point and hit the window with that point, the windo will shatter. So it's not anything magical, it's pretty much just physics, and qi can be thought of as energy.

As for believing in my own hype, I never underestimat an opponent, since doing that will get you into trouble. That is why I usealy study a person before I take my first attack. The whole fighting the MMA guys at a gym, I thought it would be a decent match, since the first guy I fought always talked about how much stronger and better he was then everyone else. I wasn't even expecting him to go down with my first to attacks, but he did. The other two guys challenged me. They saw what I could do and still said they were stronger, so I accepted hopping I could get some decient fighting experience, but again they were all talk. I do not believe I am the stronger fighter until I start fighting against an opponent and see what they can do. My teacher Master Huang is like 65 and I still can't beat him, so you can't juge a fighter on looks, but only through experience in fighting with them.

Finaly MMA fighting is basicly a sport, the majority of the MMA fighers are all about physical strength, a lot of them lack speed. They are the most threatening when they can grapple, but in all honesty grapleing is not that easy in a normal fight on the streets. Kung Fu and other Martial Arts like it, on the other hand are not a sport (at least not, the true styles), they were designed to eliminate an enemy in battle, and don't really excel in a caged competition fighting with strict rules to ensure the fighters don't get to hurt. So if a MMA fighter can't graple and has to rely on normal tactics, they can't really stand up against other Martial Arts fighters who excel on taking out their opponent with fast precise and sometimes deadly attacks.

Anyway I can care less if you believe me or not, because I know it's true and thats all that really matters.

[Olrox]

What are you some MMA UFC fanboy?


No, but I see your in denial about most traditional styles being garbage.

The only reason MMA fighters win in UFC is because it is made to be in their favor. You can not do anything that could severly harm your opponent. In a fight on the streets with no rules or confined areas, a MMA fighter is at a disadvantage, and his ability to make graples is reduced.

Alot of Vale Tudo tournaments don't have rules and don't favor anyone, severly hurting your opponent is allowed. Same goes for the early UFCs, I think the only rules were no eye gougin, biting or fish hooking, breaking bones for example has always been allowed and always will be allowed. And still the Kung Fu guys etc. got destroyed.

Someone skilled in Kung Fu or other Martial Arts, designed for taking out your opponent and not just for sport, would be able to take out the MMA fighter without much trouble.

The early UFCs, Vale Tudo tournaments and for example the video I posted earlier prove otherwise. Besides, MMA guys use stuff from Muay Thai for example, which was developed for war and killing your opponent, the reason it's used instead of Kung Fu for example is because it's been proven to actually work in a real fight, kinda like BJJ, the Gracie family proved their style to be effective in Vale Tudo, on the streets and the early UFCs. Joe Rogan for example is a very experienced TKD fighter, and has said that TKD is basically useless in a real fight and a waste of his time and now trains in MMA.

I am the stronger fighter until I start fighting against an opponent and see what they can do. My teacher Master Huang is like 65 and I still can't beat him, so you can't juge a fighter on looks, but only through experience in fighting with them.

Any proof of these fights acually taking place ? What gym was it anyway ?

Finaly MMA fighting is basicly a sport, the majority of the MMA fighers are all about physical strength, a lot of them lack speed.

MMA has evolved into a sport, there still are Vale Tudo tournaments without rules. As for MMA fighters lacking speed, is simply bs. All the top fighters are world class atheletes, some have olympic medals from other sports (wrestling for example) and certainly do not lack speed, I would dare to say that the majoryty of MMA fighters are faster becasue they focus on body conditioning more.

They are the most threatening when they can grapple, but in all honesty grapleing is not that easy in a normal fight on the streets. Kung Fu and other Martial Arts like it, on the other hand are not a sport (at least not, the true styles), they were designed to eliminate an enemy in battle, and don't really excel in a caged competition fighting with strict rules to ensure the fighters don't get to hurt. So if a MMA fighter can't graple and has to rely on normal tactics, they can't really stand up against other Martial Arts fighters who excel on taking out their opponent with fast precise and sometimes deadly attacks.


Some fighters are most threatening with grappling, but not everyone. Everyone trains in it, but some rely on striking more, Mark Hunt and Mirko Cro Cop for example, are both very feared strikers and Hunt is even a K-1 Grand Prix Champion. And grappling is very easy on the streets, taking someone down on the streets is easy (though painful maybe, depenging on the ground and how you take him down) because only MMA guys/wrestlers etc. train proper take down defence.

they were designed to eliminate an enemy in battle, and don't really excel in a caged competition fighting with strict rules to ensure the fighters don't get to hurt

Most fighters train in Muay Thai for example, which was desinged for killing your enemy, and there are no strict rules (depends on the organization), and all fights do not take place in a cage (Is you info on MMA limited to the UFC ? )

So if a MMA fighter can't graple and has to rely on normal tactics, they can't really stand up against other Martial Arts fighters who excel on taking out their opponent with fast precise and sometimes deadly attacks.

MMA fighers can fight without grappling and defineatly have fast and potentially deadly attacks (elbow to the temple and so on), and grappling is dangerous. Choking someone to death is easy.

The problem with most traditional styles, is that they hardly do any full contact sparring (you'll never learn how things work in a real situation, when the opponent is fighting back at full force), the fights have too much rules/protective gear, and they don't focus on body conditioning enough.

I think you've watched too much Jet Li movies or somehting, if you actually belive what your saying. Welcome to the real world, and real fighting.

[Shadow_Strider]

I do participat in full contact fighting. I don't train at a Kung Fu school I just went to one so I could compete in matches but then I lost interest in it do to it being a waist of time. I have spent the last 12 years dedicated to training, and conditioning myself under the teachings of Master Huang (My teacher, he dosn't teach anyone else, even though I asked him to teach some of my friends). I have been in enough street fights due to not being in the best areas, to know what to expect. As for Muay Thai, that is a very good style, and I have seen a lot of fights with Muay Thai fighters. But I have also seen fights where it is Kung Fu or Shaolin Kung Fu vs. Muay Thai, and it tends to go either way. Muay Thai is a lot of strong attack then back off, and in fights with Kung Fu or Shaolin Kung Fu fighters, Muay Thai fighters seem to not always be able to handle the constant attacks, since Kung Fu is all about getting close to your opponent and staying close as to deliver more attacks. A lot of those matches the winner turns out to be the one who can better read their opponent, and better at countering.

I am tired of arguing about this, you have your views, and I have my experiences, I will admit that I haven't competted in any foreign matches so I can't really say anything about them. But I have fought in numerous full contact fights with all kinds of different styles, and I haven't had too much of a hard time. As for TKD, that is a totaly different style of Martial Arts that isn't really effective in an actual fight, its mainly a lot of point sparring. So TKD shouldn't be compared to actual Styles designd to kill an opponent of at least iliminate the threat.

I'll just leave it at that sense neither of us are going to back down in the argument.

[D-King]

Well, I don't go into much Martial Arts persay. I was, however, researching a fighting arts termed Shou Shu. It's pretty creative as it incorporates different animal fighting styles into one single fighting style: dragon, mongoose, tiger, praying mantis, bear and crane. I think that incorporating this with a heavy hitting art like Muay Thai could become a pretty good fighting force to contend with.

If you wanna check out shou shu:
http://www.shoushu.com/

[Chikiru]

Mishima Style KARATE!!!!! [play tekken for those who don't know mishima style]

[Sekei]

if that style was only real...lol we were always tagught that no style is better than your own, but to heck with it! Shotokhan pwns!!!

[Icestorm]

Taikwondo.. Why? Because I love kicks.. haha.. and I myself do it. But not any of the new regulated/sport styled one. I do the traditional Korean based style.. its much more.. how do you say it.. less restricted.

[Hajar]

"The best style is no style."
-Bruce Lee

[Cleric]

My own style . . . a combination of Aikido, escrima, and mui tai compounded by the quickness and flexibility of a gymnast ^_^ V,,

I'm able to hit hard and get out of the way making it a very fluid style . . . whenever someone gets me in a hold I jump into the hold rather than trying to break it and that usually throws them off long enough for me to get free ^_^

[Bamboobie]

Well, I've only trained in Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan karate.
Between those two, I would say that Tae Kwon Do is better. My legs were the bomb when I was training there. I, personally, like using my legs. Shotokan doesn't really focus on using the legs, mostly in the arms.
I say Tae Kwon Do, also, because we had good training sessions. We would run, push-ups, sit-ups, jumping jacks, and even break boards. We also trained in weapons. In Shotokan, it's more of a relaxed practice (that may be because I train in Traditional Shotokan).

[Shezmu]

I also do tae kwon do, but I think it's one of the least suitable martial arts for street fights. I like it though, cause it's fun ^^

Muay Thai combined with Hapkido is deadly, I wanna start those =p

Aikido instead of hapkido is probably even better but, aikido is a style which takes many, at least 5, years to master good enough to use in street fights. IF you master it, wow i envy you =p

[Chicken Chaser]

I think that Judo and full contact Karate is a very reliable Combination... Bcause u will cover both groundfighting,close-contact fighting and the Standing fistfighting/kicking.

[wesley!]

Hey people im new but i was reading through all this and all of its really good arguments im currently training in hapkido and have tried taijutsu, karate, jujutsu, and my little brother is a black belt in tykwondo. So ive definitly studied up and well the whole ideal of being a tank is somewhat alittle hard to believe however the art seems like just alot of training in order to take blows and function with out the stunning affect. However its still alittle iffy on believing they can take hapkido and other arts that hit various pressure points with ease considering various pressure points can induce paralysis.

[raimanu]

Hey people im new but i was reading through all this and all of its really good arguments im currently training in hapkido and have tried taijutsu, karate, jujutsu, and my little brother is a black belt in tykwondo. So ive definitly studied up and well the whole ideal of being a tank is somewhat alittle hard to believe however the art seems like just alot of training in order to take blows and function with out the stunning affect. However its still alittle iffy on believing they can take hapkido and other arts that hit various pressure points with ease considering various pressure points can induce paralysis.

wow ! that's pretty amazing...

as for me i used to do judo for several years, and it felt like a complete sport.
but we would also do so ju jitsu once a week to broad our experience in martial arts...
i liked ju jitsu better because i felt i could defend better against punches and kicks.

with my judo technique, i always had some troubles to get into the opponent's defense, but once i could get a hold of him and take him to the ground, i felt very comfortable and was able to finish the fight.
but against experienced fighters who could keep me at a distance, like tae kwondo fighters always had the advantage on me :(

[StormsFury]

Currently seeking the combination that fits what I want

[Graffik]

Trying to mix Kick-boxing and Tae Kwon Do, It's really aggravating..
The best Martial-art's in my opinion is any Judo and Muay Thai combo, at least for street fights. Since It's more practical using powerful jabs, elbow thrusts and knee kicks plus the ability to throw-down larger opponents. As for now I'll stick to Tae Kwon Do and mixing it with good ol' Kick-Boxing.

[Shaftronics]

Street-fight wise, I stick to some Silat without exaggerating the stances and "pleasing to the eye" crap. My father's an instructor, and he SPECIALIZES in teaching that variant of Silat. Otherwise, with what I've learnt so far, its well balanced with grapples, off-balance counters, attacks on pressure points (throat, joints, under the armpits, diaphragm) and legsweeps.

Otherwise....

THIS IS A RUMOUR I HAVE HEARD FROM MY UNCLE AND VARIOUS SOURCES. It does not further motivate me to learn Silat, or whatnot, but its just an interesting rumour that was never really affirmed.

http://www.martial-arts-info.com/comment/120/14178

Otherwise, do not bash Islam because of the article as well.

[samir2kx]

muay thai all the way ong bak style yeeee

[Graffik]

Street-fight wise, I stick to some Silat without exaggerating the stances and "pleasing to the eye" crap. My father's an instructor, and he SPECIALIZES in teaching that variant of Silat. Otherwise, with what I've learnt so far, its well balanced with grapples, off-balance counters, attacks on pressure points (throat, joints, under the armpits, diaphragm) and legsweeps.

Otherwise....

THIS IS A RUMOUR I HAVE HEARD FROM MY UNCLE AND VARIOUS SOURCES. It does not further motivate me to learn Silat, or whatnot, but its just an interesting rumour that was never really affirmed.

http://www.martial-arts-info.com/comment/120/14178

Otherwise, do not bash Islam because of the article as well.

(Terrorist....) Nah jkes I'm Muslim so don't ban me.

And the Judo/ kickboxing mix I was trying to implement messed me up big time. I'm going to have to choose between one or the other. one or the other..............

[Inkheart21]

Personally, I use a combination of ken-jutsu and aikido. It's difficult, but I'm extremely good at it. Learning and combining different martial arts is very natural for me.

[Mugen]

I personally Use Muay Thai and enjoy it because it employs the use of your elbows, fists, knees, and feet for strikes and clinching to bind your opponent. I also like the "Wall Defense" Concept you employ while using Muay Thai as well.

[BankaiMaster]

i like white lotus fist +drunken boxer

[MetalSpawn]

I would favour drunken and monkey style because they are hard to defend against and to attack and to master these styles takes ones whole life (that is why all drunken masters all look like old geezers) so they have plenty of experience and knowledge

[DespoticWalnut]

All people have their own preference in style that usually stems from their body type. I have long legs so I have fast and powerful kicks. Therefore Tae Kwon Do is good for me...and i want to learn Hapkido...awesome. Lost of reversals, locks, throws, and breaks.

[Sekei]

As one master of our dojo once said... "To you your style may be the best, but to another it may not. There is no style that surpasses the other, all styles are equal."

[MetalSpawn]

^ that is a good point but i would not say equal - it is just that one fighting style will take advantage of anothers weekness while a different style might be weak agains the style you beet but is able to take advantage from your style thus beating you.So in the end it is more a question of which style is better between 2 styles because no style is invincable there is always a different style that makes use of the weekness's of that style.

[Manchester Black]

I don't think one specific martial art is better than another. Like a few of you have said one style may not match up well against another, but that's why it's good to take and learn as many as you can. I myself am a mixed martial artist. I train in Muay Thai kickboxing, Jiu Jitsu, Judo, and Kenpo. Mixed martial arts is becoming so popular because it works and is very adaptable to all situations, plain and simple.

Go to youtube and just search "*insert one specific martial art here* vs MMA". Unless the MMA fighter is a complete tool, then in all the videos you see, the MMA fighter wins. That's because the MMA fighter employs tactics and strategies from many different martial arts, and eliminates as many weaknesses as possible. The days of "I think my art is better than yours and we should fight to see which style wins", are pretty much over. It's all about cross training now.

Now if I were to pick my favorite style, I would have to say Muay Thai or Russian Combat Sambo. Me being 6'6", I'm built for standup fighting so I excel more at Muay Thai than say Jiu Jitsu. And Russian Combat Sambo is very much like MMA (although it leans slighty away from strikes and submissions, and more towards throws and takedowns), so it's a decent base style.

[MetalSpawn]

^ mixed martial artists fall into the "Jack of all traits master of none" saying very well.I know you are saying that in the you tube fights the mma win, that is because the martial artists that they use are the martial artists that compete in compotitions and normaly most of their moves are for show but if they were to use the monkes that train their whole lives and for practicality i think they would own the mma.Being flexable is good but what you should do is train to become like a master in one style and then just lightly touch on other styles for support

[Manchester Black]

^ mixed martial artists fall into the "Jack of all traits master of none" saying very well.

That's just simply not true at all. Many of the best mixed martial arts fighters are also the best in a specific art. Fedor Emelianenko, widely considered the greatest pound for pound fighter of all time (let alone in MMA bouts), is also the World Combat Sambo champion. BJ Penn, also considered by many around the world to be the best lightweight fighter in the world, is also the Mundial Brazialian Jiu-Jitsu champion, and considered by many to be one of the greatest BJJ practitioners in the world. Anderson Silva, the current UFC Middleweight Champion, and also considered (by the other half of the world who doesn't think Fedor is the best) by many to be the greatest fighter of all time, is a Muay Thai champion and a taekwondo black belt. So the jack of all trades, master of none arguement is very wrong. The MMA world is made up of the best in a lot of martial arts.

I know you are saying that in the you tube fights the mma win, that is because the martial artists that they use are the martial artists that compete in compotitions and normaly most of their moves are for show but if they were to use the monkes that train their whole lives and for practicality i think they would own the mma.Being flexable is good but what you should do is train to become like a master in one style and then just lightly touch on other styles for support

I don't know where you get that the martial artists only use their "show moves" against the MMA fighters. If that's the case then it's their own fault for not fighting to their full potential (at least I'm pretty sure that's what you're talking about). And training to become a master in one style is fine. That's a very good thing to do. But then just lightly touching on other styles is a very poor decision in my opinion. I do agree with you that one should train to become a master in a style and use it as their base, but then they should also train to become just as good in as many other styles as they can. Someone who does that will always beat someone who is a master in one style and just touched on others. The fighter you are talking about has many weaknesses. The fighter I'm talking about has very little.

[MetalSpawn]

^ it would be humanly impossible to master a few styles in ones lifetime. It takes people many years to master just one style sometimes there whole lives and now you are proposing they master one then master another without losing practice in the previouse style and living long enough to do this. On the point of the jack of all traits statement it sounds like i was wrong but it sounds like the guy you mentioned exeled because they were good at a particular style not many

[Manchester Black]

^ it would be humanly impossible to master a few styles in ones lifetime. It takes people many years to master just one style sometimes there whole lives and now you are proposing they master one then master another without losing practice in the previouse style and living long enough to do this. On the point of the jack of all traits statement it sounds like i was wrong but it sounds like the guy you mentioned exeled because they were good at a particular style not many

You are correct. I didn't mean a person should become a master in a bunch of styles because like you said that's impossible. Most MMA fighters (although they are very well rounded) still use their base style more than the other styles they train in, simply because they're better at it.

I just meant that a person should not just touch on other styles. They should train as hard as they can in styles other than their base and try to get as good at them as possible and try their best so they don't become one dimensional.

[MetalSpawn]

^ we are now at an agreement


BUT mma guys just seem too young to have mastered anything put them in a ring with one of thoes 70 year asian masters (that has knowledge of other styles extensivly) and see what happens (would bet on old man but mma fighters are more adaptable)

[Manchester Black]

^ we are now at an agreement

And a fun debate, it was.


BUT mma guys just seem too young to have mastered anything put them in a ring with one of thoes 70 year asian masters (that has knowledge of other styles extensivly) and see what happens (would bet on old man but mma fighters are more adaptable)

Yeah they are young guns. I'm just glad to see that the world has been opened up to martial arts so much in the last few years, and so many people have started getting into it.

[Olrox]

^ we are now at an agreement


BUT mma guys just seem too young to have mastered anything put them in a ring with one of thoes 70 year asian masters (that has knowledge of other styles extensivly) and see what happens (would bet on old man but mma fighters are more adaptable)

A 70 year old man is so far past his physical prime, that a younger fighter would beat him fairly easily. Also alot of those "masters" don't have any real fighting background, they just have alot of mystique surrounding them and sadly apparently alot of people belive the hype.

Here's one video of a Kiai master fighting some amateur fighter YouTube - Kiai Master vs MMA

[sinkinswimmer]

Well, in my honest opinion I think it's a good idea to have a diverse knowledge base of fighting styles, so MMA does have its benefits.

But when I think about it, style doesn't really mean anything, it all boils down to the individual. And I say that because no style is fool proof. You'll always have someone from some other art who beats a Kung Fu, MMA, TKD, Karate student.

[Manchester Black]

Olrox: I'm very glad you posted that video. Although that's not quite the "MMA vs Martial Arts Master" set up we were looking for, it's close enough. People are still trying to hype up the mystique of a kung fu master being some unbeatable fighter. But those days are over and everyone needs to accept that. This isn't the movies. This is reality.

[bakuza]

White lotus!!!


The most deadly style of fighting.

YouTube - Douglas L. Wong's Combat White Lotus Kung-Fu

[sinkinswimmer]

White Lotus is a new style to me, but I don't exactly consider myself an expert either.

I do have a few comments about the video though. The emphasis placed on pressure points is a bit of a waste. There's a lot of pressure points, and it's not guaranteed that every pressure point will affect everyone in the same manner. Take into consideration the accuracy you would need to hit the points on a moving target, and it makes the argument for pressure points even weaker.

Now I don't mean to say pressure points aren't effective, but I do mean to say that they are probably not the best route of trying to injure someone. It would be much better to stick with the eye-gouging and flesh ripping.

[bakuza]

yes but being trianed on ripping out eyes and off ears sounds like it would slow the target down a lot.

[sinkinswimmer]

I agree with you on that respect 100%. I was just trying to point out that given the option of pulling eyes out of sockets and ripping off ears, or hitting pressure points, I'd much rather rip off ears.

[Manchester Black]

On a moving target (especially an opponent who also knows how to fight) pressure points start to lose their effect. But if it turned into say...a grappling battle, where you have more time and the opponent is more stationary, then hitting or pushing pressure points would be effective.

[Vlad]

Well, in my honest opinion I think it's a good idea to have a diverse knowledge base of fighting styles, so MMA does have its benefits.

But when I think about it, style doesn't really mean anything, it all boils down to the individual. And I say that because no style is fool proof. You'll always have someone from some other art who beats a Kung Fu, MMA, TKD, Karate student.

I completely agree with you. All styles are good, but really good to have diverse knowledge of various styles. One style by it self can have weaknesses, but knowing many styles makes for person to compensate those weaknesses. It also makes that person more adaptable to quickly changing conditions in the fight.

[Sin]

I dunno I think it depends on what your going to use it for... to me i've learned Marine Martial Arts, Krav Magra, Wrestling and Kick boxing and i've never been taken out in a fight because i am trained to kill without any reservation or hesitations and i did it very well. I've been cut and shot a few times but i could still endure it. But those styles are good for combat situations as they were designed for. But in a normal ring vs a lotus master id get creamed but in a combat situation i'd murder him. So i think it depends on the situation. In the battle field i have everything as a weapon so with that i have the advantage but in a ring he would. It just depends on the situation to me.

[bakuza]

()_()

dude that was awsome!!! (no one style, but awsome moves*

YouTube - Deadly fight stylez (trailer)

[sinkinswimmer]

well, I'd say that's pretty impressive. Far more acrobatic than I could probably ever become.

[Manchester Black]

That is a cool video. That's more like demo than something that could be used in an actual fighting situation though.

[Kurosaki Isshin]

Ninjutsu is the best in my opinion. Of course thats because i used to study it.

[xiaomon]

taekwondo.

taekwondo is pretty fun!i love it.

[Vlad]

I have studied Wu-Shu. I like it a lot.

[Strifer]

The threadstarter is banned and this thread lives on? Oh my...Back to topic. I want to practise Nin Jitsu - Ju Jitsu - Kickboxing - Kung Fu and Kyang Dong. I really don't know how I spell this last one but it is a korean martial arts that takes all kind of weapons.

[Mugen]

I've been reading up and practining Iaidō at home in my free time. Boy it's definetly harder than it looks but it just feels so good just to be able to withdraw your sword with a quick strike and sheathe it in a matter of seconds.

"Zen Nippon Kendo Renmei Iai", English Version Manual, 3rd edition, published October 2006, by All Japan Kendo Federation, Tokyo, Japan

this is the book by the way if you're interested in it.

[Neko Bam]

And what about Wushu? Is Wushu a good martial art?

[Manchester Black]

I think every martial art has it's strong and weak points. Which is why studying many is the best path to take.

[Neko Bam]

Hey guys, I have a question you might be able to awnser for me.
I'm thinking of doing a martial art next year, and I can choose from the following arts:
-Boxing
-Condition Boxing
-Jiujitsu
-Judo
-Karate
-Kickboxing
-Tai-chi
-Wushu

I'm looking for an art that allows me to defend myself as soon as possible, that helps me get in shape, is easy to pick up and (eventually, not neccesarily needed) has some swordsplay.

Could you please help me :)?

[Manchester Black]

Bam, are you looking for an art that can be used on the street?

It's going to be hard to choose one of those anyway without knowing what style fighting you want. They're all strong in different aspects, and would all work on the street.

[Neko Bam]

Yeah, I wanna use it mostly on the streets but only for defensive purposes of course >.>
And you said that they're all strong on different areas, does that mean that anybody can do any of those sports or that you need a certain physical build for it?

[baboon]

listen to El Guapo

YouTube - Bas Rutten Street Defense - The Better Version

[Neko Bam]

O_o That guys is creepy and funny at the same time, woah...

[baboon]

Hey guys, I have a question you might be able to awnser for me.
I'm thinking of doing a martial art next year, and I can choose from the following arts:
-Boxing
-Condition Boxing
-Jiujitsu
-Judo
-Karate
-Kickboxing
-Tai-chi
-Wushu

I'm looking for an art that allows me to defend myself as soon as possible, that helps me get in shape, is easy to pick up and (eventually, not neccesarily needed) has some swordsplay.

Could you please help me :)?

based off your location being Holland you should do kickboxing
i dont know anything about the area you live in but Holland has produced some high quality pro kickboxers so im sure the training there is of good quality

[.Rik-uh-shey]

Yeah, I wanna use it mostly on the streets but only for defensive purposes of course >.>
And you said that they're all strong on different areas, does that mean that anybody can do any of those sports or that you need a certain physical build for it?

Budoshin Jujitsu is probably the best martial art you can know for defensive purposes. You will learn how to use your opponents force against them with throws, locks, pressure points, grappling, etc.

[Mugen]

^ agreed.

but If you're looking for something that's not too hard you should stay with kick-boxing. all the other ones especially Karate and Judo are actually very hard martial arts to learn so stay clear of those if you don't wanna put too much time into it.

[Manchester Black]

Kenpo Karate is great for street fighting. But you're in Holland, so like baboon said, you should definately check out some kickboxing. Holland has fantastic kickboxers. All martial arts will work on the street against most people (because most people are completely untrained). So choose something that suits you.

[Vlad]

Yeah, very few people know martial arts, so most of them effective. I think it's all depends from the reason you want to learn martial arts for, to have fun or fight.

[sinkinswimmer]

But along that train of thought, you can't get into a fight on a street and take it for granted the other person doesn't know martial arts. If it's some random person, for all you know they could be a long time student of Kenpo or Muay Thai. I've been to a few martial arts schools around here, and I have to say, the people in class are definitely not ones I would think study if I passed them on the street.

[Psychostar]

I think the best ones are:
- Boxing
- Karate
- Judo

[Do'Urden]

Jeet Kun Do by far. Although I do enjoy watching Toni Jaa and he practices Muay Thai...

[Hattori.pt]

in My Opinion there isn't A best martial art, because for Example American kenpo is good on self defence but not good in the floor like Judo and Jiu Jitsu are, So, If You can Practise more than one martial art is better than practise one, so, if You practise more than one, more complete you are...

and other thing is that depends on your type of training etc

[raisins]

haha, taekwando is good by me, because i did take lessons on it and at least, i know i learned something. ^^
It's true that each martial arts has it's on strong points. like for instance, karate concentrate more on hand skills compare to taekwando which focuses more on the kicking.
I heard ninjitsu was good though? anyone took ninjitsu here?

[mebidtt13]

For some reasons, I like Aikido