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OSfollower
12-16-2006, 10:47 PM
The differences between the US occupation of Japan and Iraq are suggestive. The US fought Japan in exhausting war and had every reason to hate its government. Democratic America detested Japanese monarchy. The Western Christians were xenophobic about very strange customs of the Japanese. Yet the US was wise to change none of that.

America strengthened the very Japanese institutions that underpinned the war, and only eliminated Japanese army, the direct threat. Then the US used those institutions to change the Japanese outlook from within. The mid-term result was hugely successful: Japanese ambitions were channeled in the economy, and the economy directed outward. The long-term change in mentality is unlikely, and Japanese imperialism would re-surface, reinforced by economic successes. Hardly any policy, however, could provide more than mid-term results.

Contrast the American policy in Iraq. The US destroyed the institutions such as the strong government and police which cemented the multi-ethnic religiously diverse Iraq. Reforming a failed state is impossible; only strong states survive the reforms. America made the situation still worse by directly enforcing the law and pushing for the unwelcome political changes like democracy and Westernization. No people would accept new ideology force-fed to them by hostile outsider. They will fight or, at best, remain contemptuously passive. Once the occupation force withdraws, locals will run for the golden old values in their most extreme form. Population will firmly connect the resistance fighters with idealized old values, and elect them to power.

America could follow the Japan example in nuclear Egypt, Iran, and North Korea. All of them still have strong security apparatus and reasonably conformant population. America may concur their capitals, install acceptable rulers without damaging the security framework of the countries, and have the new rulers brainwash their citizens with local variety of the Western ideology, from schools to mass media. Ataturk was almost alone when he started secularizing Turkey. Totalitarian governments plus the Western ideology could solve the problem of nuclear rogue states.

mind_fissure
01-12-2007, 08:20 AM
Agreed. America messed up Iraq big time. All we can do is pull out and watch the fireworks as they all try to gain control again.
Oh I just had to add... Its America's arrogance of thinking our way was the correct way just as arrogant as the english settlers that came to america and destroyed the Native Americans whom lived just fine. In Iraq only force will be understood and respected as a government because of the violitile religious beliefs that plague that country. Democracy will never work.

Mighty Aramir
01-12-2007, 03:58 PM
Americans tend to have an idea that if things dont work the same way that they do in America, the country is messed up and should be invaded, is ideals taken away and a new reegiment imposed. And when has that worked?? NEVER, look at Vietnam, Somalia, or on a newer basis Irak. Imposed policies, and even more, politics are always a negative action. Why? cause they tend to impose the opossite of what they tried to, if they brought "peace" they'll cause war. And it follows a very simple path, if you had a working system, that may not be the best, but works, and is completely yours, why would you have to accept the new ideas that have been imposed by force?

Tokoyami
01-12-2007, 10:40 PM
Americans tend to have an idea that if things dont work the same way that they do in America, the country is messed up and should be invaded, is ideals taken away and a new reegiment imposed. And when has that worked?? NEVER, look at Vietnam, Somalia, or on a newer basis Irak. Imposed policies, and even more, politics are always a negative action. Why? cause they tend to impose the opossite of what they tried to, if they brought "peace" they'll cause war. And it follows a very simple path, if you had a working system, that may not be the best, but works, and is completely yours, why would you have to accept the new ideas that have been imposed by force?

What i dont exactly understand, is why we set up a democracy in the first place. From what ive read and understand, no one but the U.S. Gov. wanted a democratic future for Iraq.

Now ive heard personal stories about things that happened in iraq under saddam from a number of chaldean students (at WestBloomfield HS there are many chaldeans). From what ive heard Iraq wasnt the best of places to live under Saddam's power. Obviously, we've taken Saddam out of power, but why are we installing a democracy? What Iraqi official, civilian, or soldier wanted this?