Drugs

[Future]

I mean to death, so yeah, they wouldn't realize.

[Kamina]

Regardless I wouldn't recommend any drug to anybody. It is a horrible lifestyle to get into, and there's so much better things you could be doing with the time and money wasted on drugs. Even weed. I know it's harmless pretty much but it makes you extremely lazy and being as it is illegal prevents you from getting a decent job.

Better is subjective, if someone gets great pleasure out of smoking pot and watching cartoons, so be it. Who is to say the guy who goes out and runs 5 miles a day is making better use of his free time? I spend money on my hobbies, I really dont get anything other than fun out of a ski trip. I spend a lot of money, ski all day, am happy, and come home. Sounds similar to most hobbies (some are free, some arent), no? Just consider taking drugs a hobby and you could probably see the point im trying to make.

I guess weed would make you extremely lazy if you smoked it every day, but tis not be the case. Though I do agree you you, any decent job will do drug tests, and it will be hard to pass those tests if you smoked the occasional bowl. I guess legalizing it would change this a bit?

Im not really a pothead, I just like to kick back and enjoy a bowl once in a while. However im a bit more into psychedelic experiences rather than solely feel good body high.

[Aki-Agi]

Better is subjective, if someone gets great pleasure out of smoking pot and watching cartoons, so be it. Who is to say the guy who goes out and runs 5 miles a day is making better use of his free time? I spend money on my hobbies, I really dont get anything other than fun out of a ski trip. I spend a lot of money, ski all day, am happy, and come home. Sounds similar to most hobbies (some are free, some arent), no? Just consider taking drugs a hobby and you could probably see the point im trying to make.

I guess weed would make you extremely lazy if you smoked it every day, but tis not be the case. Though I do agree you you, any decent job will do drug tests, and it will be hard to pass those tests if you smoked the occasional bowl. I guess legalizing it would change this a bit?

Im not really a pothead, I just like to kick back and enjoy a bowl once in a while. However im a bit more into psychedelic experiences rather than solely feel good body high.

Better is pretty subjective. I should have said there are more productive things you could be doing, but I agree with you that doing drugs should be seen as a hobby. No more dangerous than if your hobby was racing right? :p

And on getting a job it is somewhat disappointing that the drug that pretty much is safe all around is not only illegal but stays in your system longer than any other drug, at least when it comes to drug testing. Just hope you don't have to take a hair follicle test O_O

And I'm not and never have been a pothead either. I started doing ecstasy and shroom bars way before I started smoking pot.

[Twinky]

i remmember the first time i smoked pot, seem still like yesterday, one of my friend got on some real "headies" suppose to be able to get you high in less than 3 hits, i tried 4 hits. after 3 minutes i had to give one of them a ride to this other place, while i was driving, it felt like i was in a dream. every one know how to recall their feeling when their dreaming, image in front of you changes rapidly and you feel as if you are dreaming but looking through your own eye. --[when people say they feel invincible? it is not because they feel no pain, because they feel like they are dreaming.---] i literally repeated to my self while i was driving " THIS IS NOT A DREAM" if i didnt do that i think i would had crashed that night. from that time on i rarely went back to pot no more than once every 4 month. but not proud of it, but as long as im safe from hurting any one else like the time i drove, im fine with just sit and kickin it. my hobbie is motorbikes, smoking weed didnt stop me from going on rides around the state.

[Graffik]

When I was 13 my friends and I ran into this dealer at a park beside our school. He dealt us some pretty heavy looking ganja, taught us how to roll it, and even pulled out a lighter to seal the deal. Fortunately he was keen on payment, and I'm not exactly the guy who carries cash with him.

I don't know if I would've smoked it and become a pothead or someone who does drugs, but I was pretty damn lucky that I didn't get any of that weed. Because some of those friends really seem like they fell off, 2 of them ended up dropping out. I'm not against weed or anything nor do I think it's really that major of a drug, I'm just never going to take it because I don't want to give drugs in general another opportunity.

Of course If I were to forsake it all and become a farmer, a spliff here and there wouldn't be too bad. :)

[Aki-Agi]

I think it's weird hearing about people that smoke pot and drop out of school because most of the people I know that do smoke pot haven't dropped out, are doing well in college and have great lives.

[Kamina]

^^

*points to Kamina* :p

Nothing wrong with making a living on farming. YMMV of course.

Like I have said, its not the drug that brings people down, but themselves. To blame weed for your friends downfall would be like saying it was the gun who killed someone who was shot to death. im not saying its harmless, I respect anybody's decisions not to risk trying drugs. Sky diving is great, and even if you think you might enjoy it, some people just arent willing to take the risk. Nothing wrong with playing it safe.

[Graffik]

I think it's weird hearing about people that smoke pot and drop out of school because most of the people I know that do smoke pot haven't dropped out, are doing well in college and have great lives.

Wasn't the weed itself entirely, more like after that time they spent more and more time in the environment surrounding it. In highschool they were with the dealers and other shiz, and then etc. Until school wasn't a place they wanted to be.

Nothing wrong with making a living on farming. YMMV of course.

Of course, I just don't like the secluded environment. For now, anyways.

Like I have said, its not the drug that brings people down, but themselves. To blame weed for your friends downfall would be like saying it was the gun who killed someone who was shot to death.

Sorry if it seemed as though I was blaming the ganja. :P I mean you know that taking it when you're 13 though isn't going to make your future look to bright? I don't consider ganja to be a 'serious' drug, I'd always choose to have some weed over the legalized tobacco or alcohol (honestly have no idea what the governments thinking allowing those). I'd consider a spliff if I was having cancer treatment.

[Princess Gheyfu]

* Princess Tofu is heavily against drugs. *

That should answer this thread's initial question fairly well. :jcm:

[Kamina]

* Princess Tofu is heavily against drugs. *

That should answer this thread's initial question fairly well. :jcm:

Um, no?

I <3 the country, but thats just me. I dont aim to be a farmer though, I want to be a research scientist :)

[Princess Gheyfu]

@Kamina

Have you ever experimented with drugs?

Yeah... >.> Plus it's also expressing my views about the subject in a rather direct way, so...

[Kamina]

Whatever you experince, dicuss Drugs here.

I think he was looking for a discussion rather than a yes or no. A better approach to the situation would be to include WHY you are against drugs, rather than just saying it.

[Hiraishin]

Ok, I told Kiki about this on MSN a few months back so why not.

I used to be into pretty much everything when I first moved here, I'll admit that I smoke and drink now but when I was 14-15, I was pretty bad, I shot up almost everyday and smoked so much pot you'd think I were a chimney, this is mainly attributed (I think) to the huge amount of stress in my life, like adjusting to a new country and getting away from my abusive father. I have been clean for 4 years, and I'm proud of it. I wanted to get out of that and change my life, and I did, now I have my mom and step dad helping me, and I'm in college, though I do have to take meds for depression.

And I probably lost lots of peoples respect with that post ^^;

[Kamina]

For defeating the odds and fighting addiction? Lost respect I think not :)

[Aki-Agi]

Ok, I told Kiki about this on MSN a few months back so why not.

I used to be into pretty much everything when I first moved here, I'll admit that I smoke and drink now but when I was 14-15, I was pretty bad, I shot up almost everyday and smoked so much pot you'd think I were a chimney, this is mainly attributed (I think) to the huge amount of stress in my life, like adjusting to a new country and getting away from my abusive father. I have been clean for 4 years, and I'm proud of it. I wanted to get out of that and change my life, and I did, now I have my mom and step dad helping me, and I'm in college, though I do have to take meds for depression.

And I probably lost lots of peoples respect with that post ^^;

You gained a lot of respect from me. Anyone that is that bad at that early of an age and could recover like you did definitely gets praise from me! Plus you've done more than I have, I NEVER put a needle in me. Been offered many times, and was tempted (especially because I use to have a big fascination on trying heroin) but thank god I never did.

And Kamina I wish more people had your point of view on drugs.

[Princess Gheyfu]

@Kamina: Fine, I'll get into a tad more detail if it really makes a difference. :\

I just find drugs to be very self-destructive, and I have seen many people suffer through some of the nastier effects of drugs, whether it be losing control of parts of your own body by taking in inhalants, to side-effects such as almost dieing from hypothermia/dehydration caused by Ecstasy use. Other than the more medical faliures and disruptions caused by drug use (for I could go into much greater detail, but that'd just bore you all <_<), it also seems to have detrimental effects on social life, for I have examined past acquaintences who have taken drugs, such as the rather obvious giggles, short-term memory loss, and massive hysteria/paranoia, etc., caused by smoking pot (which ties them to rather outragious, concerning or just distasteful/disrespectful behavior), and also makes people LOOK a bit concerning as well, using pot as an example again, would it not bother you or bother, per say, an employer or a school teacher to see someone with blood-shot eyes, staggering dizzingly, with a strong odor on their clothing...? :\

[Kamina]

@Kamina: Fine, I'll get into a tad more detail if it really makes a difference. :\

If you didnt wish to engage in this conversation, next time I suggest not posting here at all.



I just find drugs to be very self-destructive, and I have seen many people suffer through some of the nastier effects of drugs, whether it be losing control of parts of your own body by taking in inhalants, to side-effects such as almost dieing from hypothermia/dehydration caused by Ecstasy use. Other than the more medical faliures and disruptions caused by drug use (for I could go into much greater detail, but that'd just bore you all <_<)
Ya, inhalants are bad. So is stimulant dehydration, which is also one of those things a user should prepare for. Its like not buckling your seat belt before a drive, dangerous consequences could result. Though im not a big fan of street drugs either, the risks are more dangerous than they need be.

it also seems to have detrimental effects on social life, for I have examined past acquaintences who have taken drugs, such as the rather obvious giggles, short-term memory loss, and massive hysteria/paranoia, etc., caused by smoking pot (which ties them to rather outragious, concerning or just distasteful/disrespectful behavior), and also makes people LOOK a bit concerning as well, using pot as an example again, would it not bother you or bother, per say, an employer or a school teacher to see someone with blood-shot eyes, staggering dizzingly, with a strong odor on their clothing...? :\

I have observed a group of people that drift towards the anti-social recluse type like you mentioned. Usually these people are stoned 24/7, or smoke damn near close to it. Even drug addicts of somewhat milder drugs can exhibit these type of symptoms. I am sure that if they were to stop smoking altogether, their paranoia and short-term memory loss symptoms would fade away. Not to say they never existed in the first place, but its something that can be cured.

There is a place for everything, and drugs in the workplace or in school are just inappropriate. If you stagger about with bloodshot eyes in places like that, you deserve people to be offended.

What some people fail to realize is that there are certain people that are just prone to deviant behavior. Because drugs are illegal, *most* of the people who do them are deviants. The type of people who do them give drugs a bad rep. Kind of like anime. When I tell people I like anime, they think im some type of closet nerd or something. ymmv

[Cursive]

I guess I just really don't care about any of those so-called negative "consequences." I really don't think what anyone does to themselves should be of any concern to anyone else, nor should the way someone acts be that affected by a drug, if they're going to be using it with intent to be at their workplace or in school. I, personally, go to all my classes and work high as ****, and no one cares. It's not as much a social bother to people as you might imagine. I'm not talking about 15-year-olds who make a big thing of it and act really stupid while high. An experienced, and anything but retarded, person can go about their business as they would without anyone noticing or caring. My memory has been minimally affected, if at all; and all the other suggested negative effects have been either not present or unnoticed.
Also, you've completely overlooked any possible desirable effects. I wasn't aware that people do drugs solely to harm themselves, with no redeeming qualities of which to speak.
I'm sorry, but not everyone who uses drugs is irresponsible, nor should even those people be considered bad people for doing them.
So long as they're not trying to force you to do them, and their behavior isn't so wildly disruptive that it's affecting others, I really don't see why you should care.
:)

[Aki-Agi]

@Kamina: Fine, I'll get into a tad more detail if it really makes a difference. :\

I just find drugs to be very self-destructive, and I have seen many people suffer through some of the nastier effects of drugs, whether it be losing control of parts of your own body by taking in inhalants, to side-effects such as almost dieing from hypothermia/dehydration caused by Ecstasy use. Other than the more medical faliures and disruptions caused by drug use (for I could go into much greater detail, but that'd just bore you all <_<), it also seems to have detrimental effects on social life, for I have examined past acquaintences who have taken drugs, such as the rather obvious giggles, short-term memory loss, and massive hysteria/paranoia, etc., caused by smoking pot (which ties them to rather outragious, concerning or just distasteful/disrespectful behavior), and also makes people LOOK a bit concerning as well, using pot as an example again, would it not bother you or bother, per say, an employer or a school teacher to see someone with blood-shot eyes, staggering dizzingly, with a strong odor on their clothing...? :\

Hmmm... first off I would like to say something. I classify people in 4 ways when pertaining to drugs. Those who have done drugs safe and very very knowledgeable about the drug they are doing, the consequences, and what to do while taking the drug. There are those who take drugs out of naivety and only care about either taking more to feel better or pretty much don't care what they are doing to themselves. There are those who have never done drugs and think they are the most horrid thing ever without knowing anything about them. Then there are those (and this is a very large group of people) who have tried drugs or haven't tried drugs that are against them with some knowledge about the drugs people take but really don't know the extent of it, and judge it stereotypically. You are the last case IMO

Secondly, I will say this. The only way a drug should be taken is safely. Every time I try a new drug, I research it, ask friends who have done it frequently, and find out ways to make it where I will have a fun time with no dangerous consequences. MANY people just see the idiots who abuse drugs because they are arrogant and just want to have fun. That is why the community of people that have done drugs is stereotyped as typically 'bad people'.

Now to your comments. I've seen many many cases of people overdosing, dying or even becoming paralyzed from drug abuse. That is because they are idiots and take things too far.

Inhalants, I will agree with you. Inhalants are dumb and the easiest way to fry your brain. Ecstasy on the other hand, you seem to know the consequences on a small scale. When taking ecstasy, a person needs to know their limit, along with how to take care of themselves while on it. It does make you dehydrated, but if you drink too much you could literally drown yourself. That is why you have to take care of yourself while on it. When you need a drink, take sips, and never anything strong like alcohol or soda because it can make you sick. Drink water/juice. The only cases of anyone dying from ecstasy are either because they took something else along with it and overdosed on that, or were not knowledgeable on how to take care of yourself.

And I agree with you on the last part, but that's just people not taking care of themselves, as I've already mentioned. The thing most people look at when the word 'drugs' is brought up is how people abuse them, not how some people take precautions and make sure they will have a good time without and side effects.

Wow I know I'm going to be disliked for this but oh well...

[Future]

There was this huge drug bust in my town the other day, it was so funny, i'm still laughing now, all these people went to jail and this guy i used to know from school has gone into hiding or something, nobody has heard from him since, he was a big part of it, and the ringleader was this 53 year old lady, named Big Momma, haha.

imo, hope they all get raped in jail, every day, by a guy named Scrunchy.

[Cursive]

^qft, Aki
I've researched for literally hours before trying things.
I may occasionally be irresponsible with them, though I'm always aware of my being irresponsible and sure that it will bring me minimal harm, but I agree with just about everything you said.

[Bun]

It's kind of hard to blame those who don't do drugs, who haven't experienced them first hand, when the majority of what they've seen was that of naivety, irresponsibility and just plain stupidity. Sure, there are probably people out there who use drugs "safely"...if that's even possible. The way I see it, just taking the drugs, no matter how knowledgeable about it you are, is still damn irresponsible in so far as the word "drug"--for recreational purposes, mind you-- with the sole intention of enhancing or altering reality. Oh, and then there's those people who're so drugged up they just need drugs in order to not feel like shit, but that's a different story.

Anyway, back to what I was saying.

We're all being a little selfish either way; drug user blames non-drug user for judging so quickly and vice versa. It's a two way road and one party or the other is trying to drive their point home by swerving recklessly in the other lane, high beams on, horn blaring.

Then again, I always find it funny when people tell me "don't knock it 'til you try it!" I'd like to see that logic applied to every experience a human being could be exposed to (think painful, think dirty, think vomit-enducing, whatever your imagination can come up with).

What might be right for you, may not be right for some. Yeah, I just don't care either way.

[Cursive]

I'm pretty sure the word "safe," when used in context to drugs, has a relative meaning. Everyone who does them has obviously accepted that there is no completely harm-free way to go about it. I wouldn't suggest everyone try every drug, nor would I really suggest that anyone try any drug, for that matter. People who enjoy altered states of consciousness will be drawn to them anyway, and people who don't enjoy such things should just stay away from them and not complain about other people's lifestyles.

[Rascal0302]

I have been offered more times then I can count...but I have not accepted, nor will I ever. Its a huge waste of money and time in my opinion. Money that can be used for so many other things, time that can be spent doing so many other things. There is also the whole eventually screwing with your life effect...but meh.

[Aki-Agi]

We're all being a little selfish either way; drug user blames non-drug user for judging so quickly and vice versa. It's a two way road and one party or the other is trying to drive their point home by swerving recklessly in the other lane, high beams on, horn blaring.

This is something I can completely agree on, and I don't plan on changing anyone's opinion or view on drugs. I just stated what I knew about drugs from personal experience. Yes, they are dangerous, yes some people are idiots and could care less about their health. And when I say safe, I'm using that VERY loosely, as in I am being as safe as I possibly can when pertaining to drugs. I don't take too much, I know my limit, I don't do stupid things like driving when I'm seeing tracers of literally everything in motion, so as far as I see it, I'm being 'safe'.

But yeah, there is no point in arguing with it because in the end we are both right. Drugs are harmful and should never be taken under any circumstance. But in the case you do take them, there are definitely things you should and shouldn't do.

[Bun]

I'm pretty sure the word "safe," when used in context to drugs, has a relative meaning. Everyone who does them has obviously accepted that there is no completely harm-free way to go about it. I wouldn't suggest everyone try every drug, nor would I really suggest that anyone try any drug, for that matter. People who enjoy altered states of consciousness will be drawn to them anyway, and people who don't enjoy such things should just stay away from them and not complain about other people's lifestyles.

If that was directed at me (and even if it was not), I'm just gonna say I'm not complaining. Honestly, I couldn't care less if someone wanted to take drugs. In fact, I highly encourage taking more drugs, more and more and more until the point where said drug user finally finds themselves dead because of it. Population control ftw! (At least for the ones who really are giving no contribution to society)

This is something I can completely agree on, and I don't plan on changing anyone's opinion or view on drugs. I just stated what I knew about drugs from personal experience. Yes, they are dangerous, yes some people are idiots and could care less about their health. And when I say safe, I'm using that VERY loosely, as in I am being as safe as I possibly can when pertaining to drugs. I don't take too much, I know my limit, I don't do stupid things like driving when I'm seeing tracers of literally everything in motion, so as far as I see it, I'm being 'safe'.

But yeah, there is no point in arguing with it because in the end we are both right. Drugs are harmful and should never be taken under any circumstance. But in the case you do take them, there are definitely things you should and shouldn't do.

I know what you mean, and I'm not trying to argue my point anymore. I'm just still a bit confused as to how someone could say they have any control over themselves when putting a dangerous substance into their body that alters the very thing that regulates how much is too much and the like. I suppose you could put yourself in a controlled environment, but the chances of that happening are slim to none when taking recreational drugs because, chances are, you'll be in a setting that poses no limits.

[Aki-Agi]

In fact, I highly encourage taking more drugs, more and more and more until the point where said drug user finally finds themselves dead because of it. Population control ftw!


I lol'd at that

this might just make me an evil person O_O

[Kamina]

If that was directed at me (and even if it wasn't directed at me), I'm just gonna say I'm not complaining. Honestly, I couldn't care less if someone wanted to take drugs. In fact, I highly encourage taking more drugs, more and more and more until the point where said drug user finally finds themselves dead because of it. Population control ftw! (At least for the ones who really are giving no contribution to society)


Your ignorance supersedes you. If you think drug users dont contribute to society, take a bigger look around you. We live in a medicated nation, get used to it.


I know what you mean, and I'm not trying to argue my point anymore. I'm just still a bit confused as to how someone could say they have any control over themselves when putting a dangerous substance into their body that alters the very thing that regulates how much is too much and the like. I suppose you could put yourself in a controlled environment, but the chances of that happening are slim to none when recreational drugs are usually taken in settings that can pose no limits.

So people who do drugs have no self control? I kind of have a feeling you dont know enough about the effects of drugs to make the claim your trying to make.

[TuRm0iL]

I've never done drugs, but I recently watched an episode of "bullshit" which focused on weed.

Turns out, no one has EVER in recorded history OD'd on weed. It just isn't toxic enough. Whereas legal drugs such as alchohol and tobacco are directly harmful to your body.
There was a lot more about why weed should be legal in episode as well, but i am too tired to remember atm.

anyways, here is the video
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[Bun]

Your ignorance supersedes you. If you think drug users dont contribute to society, take a bigger look around you. We live in a medicated nation, get used to it.

Perhaps you should take a closer read before you become offended and wag your finger at me for being ignorant? I said: "at least the ones who aren't contributing anything to society." That does not say: "ALL drug users."

So people who do drugs have no self control? I kind of have a feeling you dont know enough about the effects of drugs to make the claim your trying to make.

Again with the assumptions. When I said that stuff, I was doubting the majority of drug users. No where in my post did I say "I am an expert on drug use; I know every single cause and effect and therefore everything I say is correct; I know all!" Come on, man, really...? Do I need to quote myself admitting that it is possible to control yourself on drugs? Maybe I do...

I suppose you could put yourself in a controlled environment, but the chances of that happening are slim to none when recreational drugs are usually taken in settings that can pose no limits.

As naive as that may sound, I did not say that the chances are nonexistent. What I mean by saying that is exactly the point I was trying to make: putting substances in your body that alter your state of mind narrows what self control you have under the influence; therefore making it more difficult to make the right choices.

[Kamina]

Perhaps you should take a closer read before you become offended and wag your finger at me for being ignorant? I said: "at least the ones who aren't contributing anything to society." That does not say: "ALL drug users."

We should put all the non-contributing Jews in ovens too. Heh, im just messing with you, I misread the phrase, sorry dude :babies:



Again with the assumptions. When I said that stuff, I was doubting the majority of drug users. No where in my post did I say "I am an expert on drug use; I know every single cause and effect and therefore everything I say is correct; I know all!" Come on, man, really...? Do I need to quote myself admitting that it is possible to control yourself on drugs? Maybe I do...


You still suggested to claim that drug users cannot make reasonable judgment calls because they are on drugs. Its just not true, drugs dont take over your mind and make decisions for you.


As naive as that may sound, I did not say that the chances are nonexistent. What I mean by saying that is exactly the point I was trying to make: putting substances in your body that alter your state of mind narrows what self control you have under the influence; therefore making it more difficult to make the right choices.

I agree with you. It is a risk drug users have to take. You can either handle it or you cant. Although it really isnt the deal with self control while under the influence, but more of the "I want to experience this feeling more often." Drug induced decisions arent the culprit of drug addicts, its the self control to use them in moderation. Which is a conscious, sober decision.

[Ice Prince]

Haha, well Dee(Bun) and I have had the drug discussion before. I think it's wonderful that she doesn't do drugs, and I hope she knows I respect her regardless. :P

Now for me, she know I hit that MJ every once in awhile. No, I'm far from a pothead, but I don't see a problem in it provided you actually use some common sense when it comes to it's use. I for one, know that it vastly increases my creativity and thinking methods when it comes to issues. It's like I can "see" more and relate better to a problem when I'm stoned. Why I don't know, but I've just always loved everybody when I'm high haha.

Speaking of stories, I suppose I could share my first stoner story.

I was 17 at the time, always been VERY anti drug and such. Well, my stepsister came into my room one day and she asked if I had a book she could use to roll a joint. As you could probably imagine, I was like o_O wtf. So she sat down on my bed and started to roll it. Curiousity, of course, kicked in and I asked her what smoking pot does to you. She said that for her, it "chills" her out and it makes her feel more at ease as far as stress goes. I said that was good, but wasn't it bad to do something illegal like that? I was a very naive 17 year old haha.

So she told me I should try it for myself, basically don't knock it until you try it kinda stuff.

So, we went out to the garage while our parents were gone. She lit it up and we smoked it. I remember I asked if I was supposed to "feel" anything, and she was like yeah you should after we finish. So we sat there and started talking about all kinds of things in the garage. She finally asked if I felt something, and I said no. So she rolled another one and we smoked that. I swear we spent a good hour and a half out in the garage just talking about things. Then our parents got home so we started to go inside.

The second I stood up, I literally busted my ass right on the floor, and my step sister busted out laughing (as did I). Then we went to the bathroom to check our eyes, and mine were totally bloodshot haha. She was like oh god Matthew, get some eye stuff or something. So I started to do that, and I went into the kitchen to find some and literally forgot what I went in there for. I opened the fridge and got a drink out, and being nice, I got her one to. Then I went back to the bathroom and gave it to her and she was like "Well did you find some?" I was like ".....find some what?", and she mentioned the eye stuff again. I was like oh damn, I totally forgot about that! We both laughed so hard we fell into the floor.

Eventually I went back to my room and I was like oh god, my bed. Never had my bed looked so appealing before. I started to lay down and then my stepdad came barging in. He said we were going to do some "family time", so I had to literally convince myself to get up and went into the living room. We were all sitting there and I, sadly, had to sit in a stool since we didn't have enough chairs at the table. Midway through our lovely Uno game, I leaned back too far and fell completely backwards out of the stool. My step sister laughed so hard she shot Pepsi through her nose all over the cards and then went running into the kitchen.

My mom was like oh god are you ok honey? I just kinda stared up at her and smiled and said I was. Then I went to the bathroom, with stepsister close behind. She asked if I was ok and I was like yeah, then my stepdad came in and was like "You all are SO high!" We laughed, and then we thought we were going to get in trouble but.....we didn't strangely.

That's basically it haha. I still remember it all so fondly. XD

[Bun]

You still suggested to claim that drug users cannot make reasonable judgment calls because they are on drugs. Its just not true, drugs dont take over your mind and make decisions for you.

Oh, I got the part about drugs not taking over your decision making; however, they do tend to make things a little screwy in there. I am NOT trying to say that it's impossible for drug users to be safe. I know there are certain drugs in certain amounts on certain occasions that will produce no harm. What I'm trying to get at is the majority of people who give someone like me the right to say it is highly possible that drugs can and will **** you up, because it happens. It's all I've seen. I've never met somebody who hasn't abused drugs in some way, shape or form, so actually I'm the one being pretty lenient in admitting it's possible to be "safe".

@IP: You know I respect you, too. You're my buddy. :3

[Kamina]

You must know a lot of reckless people. Or live in the city with the losers, idk. Most of the people I know are responsible with their drug use, although I have to admit I do know some rejects.

Like I said, the drugs tempt you with their feel-good-ness, lol. They dont really mess with your head, though some drugs do. Fighting temptation is tough, I mean, try and tell an otaku to quit anime. There are people who have a problem with anime and games getting in the way of their life, especially those WoW nuts, and drugs arent even involved. What I am saying is that the phenomenon is one and the same.

It's all I've seen. I've never met somebody who hasn't abused drugs in some way, shape or form, so actually I'm the one being pretty lenient in admitting it's possible to be "safe".

Most philosophy or science would tell you that your personal experience is not enough evidence to make such a claim. Though I do understand how you feel. However, I feel as though its the drugs that are *safe*, its the people I dont trust. Which is one reason why I would NEVER talk anyone into doing a drug they have never done before.

edit: wheres my respect? :p lol. At least this debate seems fun and civil to me, idk how you feel though...

[Aki-Agi]

I've never done drugs, but I recently watched an episode of "bullshit" which focused on weed.

Turns out, no one has EVER in recorded history OD'd on weed. It just isn't toxic enough. Whereas legal drugs such as alchohol and tobacco are directly harmful to your body.
There was a lot more about why weed should be legal in episode as well, but i am too tired to remember atm.

anyways, here is the video
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+rep for the videos

The only thing I wish videos like that would try and show are those people that take too much over-the-counter drugs, such as loritab, oxycontin, perkacet, hydrocodone, cough medicine, coricidin (for some idiots), and then the people who go out and literally harvest unknown plants to get a high.

A good example of that is my friend that just got out of the ER. In my town there is a plant that grows only specific times around the year that everyone has called Gypsy Weed. It is basically acidx1,000,000. You take the pods with the seeds in them and eat them. Here's a link if you care to read more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium

What happens is basically you hallucinate. But that is putting it lightly. 1 pod will pretty much give you the acid experience, but to a greater extent. You see and hear people that are not really there, there's many cases (and my friends have confirmed this) of phantom cigarettes, cigarettes you literally see and feel yourself smoking, only to realize later that it was never there. Taking two pods increases this and you are at risk of loss of body control and can easily overdose, going into a coma, constantly going in and out of reality and not being able to comprehend simple reactions.

The point I'm getting at is, yeah I agree with pretty much everything in that video, but they still fail to really be on the side of drug users with actually a little intelligence. They don't point out the idiots that are so inclined to get messed up that they will literally go find a plant and eat the seeds, which literally poison them. There definitely are people out there that know what they are doing and, as I've said before, are safe about it, but most people that make videos like this fail to point out how serious the problem is of idiots ruining themselves, and THAT is why drugs are hated so bad. Drug abuse is the number one cause of death in people who use the drugs, not the drugs themselves.

[Bun]

You must know a lot of reckless people. Or live in the city with the losers, idk. Most of the people I know are responsible with their drug use, although I have to admit I do know some rejects.

Like I said, the drugs tempt you with their feel-good-ness, lol. They dont really mess with your head, though some drugs do. Fighting temptation is tough, I mean, try and tell an otaku to quit anime. There are people who have a problem with anime and games getting in the way of their life, especially those WoW nuts, and drugs arent even involved. What I am saying is that the phenomenon is one and the same.



Most philosophy or science would tell you that your personal experience is not enough evidence to make such a claim. Though I do understand how you feel. However, I feel as though its the drugs that are *safe*, its the people I dont trust. Which is one reason why I would NEVER talk anyone into doing a drug they have never done before.

edit: wheres my respect? :p lol. At least this debate seems fun and civil to me, idk how you feel though...

I can and will wholeheartedly agree with you in saying that it is the people, not so much the actual drugs themselves. You're right. I find it extremely difficult to trust people. In fact, I just don't, basically; at least to a certain point. It is the people who are reckless and irresponsible for knowing what drugs may do to them, yet still take them anyway.

As for the respect thing, well, I don't really know you. Me and IP have been buds for quite a while now. :3

[Kamina]

As for the respect thing, well, I don't really know you.

:(

*cries and cuts myself because nobody likes me*

It is the people who are reckless and irresponsible for knowing what drugs may do to them, yet still take them anyway.

Those people = losers.

We have reached an agreement I think! :)

There definitely are people out there that know what they are doing and, as I've said before, are safe about it, but most people that make videos like this fail to point out how serious the problem is of idiots ruining themselves, and THAT is why drugs are hated so bad.

Drugs get more bad rep than they deserve due to the illegality that shrouds them, and the crime, gangs, violence, and idiots who tend to control the drug trafficking community. Dealing is mainly done in cities with tons of people, and the majority of people who buy these drugs are somewhat normal people. They remain unscrutinized, marginalized by the media and generally ignored.

Then you have another group of people, the gangs and whatnot that may re-deal the drugs, lace them, or do them. These people are reckless, mean, and angry, and their behaviors speak extremely loud. People know that lots of gangs deal with drugs, especially powerhouses like the mafia.

The minority of drug users are the ones who give them the worst name. The addicts who can barely function, sometimes appearing to be homeless bums on the street in need of a fix. When most people think of drugs, they think of people in this worst case scenario. The media has done a great job in making people think this is the inevitability of the drug abusing road.

If people have done their research, aside from street drug purity, the health aspects of drugs arent really disputed. Most drugs are relatively safe healthwise, and when done in moderation do little to no harm to the body.

What happens is basically you hallucinate. But that is putting it lightly. 1 pod will pretty much give you the acid experience, but to a greater extent. You see and hear people that are not really there, there's many cases (and my friends have confirmed this) of phantom cigarettes, cigarettes you literally see and feel yourself smoking, only to realize later that it was never there. Taking two pods increases this and you are at risk of loss of body control and can easily overdose, going into a coma, constantly going in and out of reality and not being able to comprehend simple reactions.

Yes, its dangerous and bad for you. Which is why only morons do this type of thing.

[Ginko]

Drugs is probably best describe as the symbol of best escaping reality- in a very harsh and ill way, that will bring you to your own misery. It's pretty sad, when one can't confront their own problems and continue to bite their lips and meet the expectation life has laid out for them, or more importantly you have made out for yourself to become a better person. I think mostly due to victims lose track of time when they are under the influence, and time produces anxiety, because we don't know what future hold for us- whether its good event or bad. But Drugs can somehow trigger that to go away temporarily or more or less momentarily. So my point overall, don't do it you're only going to see opportunities and pleasurable moments which you can remember and recall - and not so much drugs because in now way beneficial - to go by.

[Cursive]

I'm sorry to disappoint, but drugs don't ruin every life with which they come in contact.
In fact, most people's lives are unaffected in the long run by their drug use.
The anti-drug movement's trophy cases of homeless heroin addicts change everyone's minds, just because a few people aren't responsible enough to keep their use in check.
I'm not saying this only of weed, though. It's not impossible to have a pretty normal life while using other things occasionally, if you respect the substance as something more than "a high." People who approach anything that way are bound to **** up some aspect of their lives. My point: don't categorise drug users as bad people, or as irresponsible people.

[Angyo]

I'm sorry to disappoint, but drugs don't ruin every life in which they come in contact.
In fact, most people's lives are unaffected in the long run by their drug use.
The anti-drug movement's trophy cases of homeless heroin addicts change everyone's minds, just because a few people aren't responsible enough to keep their use in check.
I'm not saying this only of weed, though. It's not impossible to have a pretty normal life while using other things occasionally, if you respect the substance as something more than "a high." People who approach anything that way are bound to **** up some aspect of their lives. My point: don't categorise drug users as bad people, or as irresponsible people.

to a point, but I think drugs really do inconvenience many more lives than just the extremes. You dont have to be a homeless dude on the streets to feel the negative impact of drugs. Many people lead sub-par just scratching to get by lives because of their drug habits. Collecting welfare and dealing part time on the side is just one possible scenario that is commonly played out.

I think drugs are more trouble than what they are worth.

[Donut]

Drugs is probably best describe as the symbol of best escaping reality- in a very harsh and ill way, that will bring you to your own misery. It's pretty sad, when one can't confront their own problems and continue to bite their lips and meet the expectation life has laid out for them, or more importantly you have made out for yourself to become a better person. I think mostly due to victims lose track of time when they are under the influence, and time produces anxiety, because we don't know what future hold for us- whether its good event or bad. But Drugs can somehow trigger that to go away temporarily or more or less momentarily. So my point overall, don't do it you're only going to see opportunities and pleasurable moments which you can remember and recall - and not so much drugs because in now way beneficial - to go by.

I'm sure a post like the following has already been made, but really now; all drugs aren't the same first off. Secondly, think for yourself. Do it.

Blabla alcohol and cigarettes are a lot more dangerous than let's say shrooms or weed. So because the other substances are illegal they'll **** up your life more? Ponder.

[Cursive]

Also, Angyo and Ginko, you fail to account for other people's standards. You may consider something a ruined life, but others may not see that at all.
I would much rather live a life of experience than material. You may not care about the experiences that drugs can bring you, but that doesn't mean that your standards are right for everyone.

[Angyo]

But when their standards involve leeching from the rest of society "just because they can", then it becomes my problem. We all know that many urban areas are laden with drugs, dealers, and addicts. We also know that the very same areas involve welfare, food stamps, etc. If only people on welfare had to take a drug test, or had random visits from a probation officer.

[Donut]

But when their standards involve leeching from the rest of society "just because they can", then it becomes my problem. We all know that many urban areas are laden with drugs, dealers, and addicts. We also know that the very same areas involve welfare, food stamps, etc. If only people on welfare had to take a drug test, or had random visits from a probation officer.

Key word: their.

Some if not most drug-users are jerkoffs, granted, but that doesn't mean that all are. Some use drugs responsibly in moderation, and don't "leech".

Once more, "drugs" is a way too general term to be discussed as one topic tbh.

[Angyo]

Yea, I see what you mean. Cant ignore the majority though, without drugs these people would definitely be way better off. Its not like anything can be done though.

[Do'Urden]

To be honest, this discussion is always fun for me. I grew up in an Irish household, drinking is just a part of my culture. I remember having my first beer with my dad when I was about 9 years old. But, I also believe that exposing kids to alcohol at a younger age and teaching them responsibility when they are drinking is actually beneficial to them. It teaches them that yes, it is ok to drink, but only if you do so responsibly in a safe enviroment. Also, it helps eliminate the crazy drinking that occurs so often when sheltered individuals turn 21.

I think the same goes for other drugs (because I don't care what anyone says, alcohol is a drug). If you are open with your kids about drugs, and let them know the risks that are involved with drugs, everything from rolls to pcp to pot, then they will be much more likely to make the right decision. The mystery and danger that surrounds these things the more attraction to a young kid trying to prove to thier friends how cool they are. When I was in high school, I was a big stoner, I smoked just about everyday. It didn't ruin my life, I never got into trouble for it. It was just soemthing to do after school when I was done with my chores and my homework and I wanted to go hang out with my friends. We'd all get high and go skatebaord at the 7-11. We never tried coke, or rolls, or any of that shit. Why? Because my parents told me from a very young age, that if I was going to drink, do it resposibly, don't go looking for trouble. If I was going ot smoke weed, make sure I did it in a safe enviroment, and to not be driving while drinking or while smoking.

In my opinion, pot isn't as bad or dangerous as people would like to claim. It's propaganda, certain people want you to believe pot will ruin your life. They want you to believe it is a terrible danger to you and your friends. But, why not let the numbers speak for themselves?
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
While this information may be outdated, the trend continues until present day. Notice that alcohol remains legal, while Marijuana is Illegal? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and I would love for someone to point out why marijuana is so terrible. Is it because marijuana is addictive? Well, I mean, it isn't physically addicitve, like ciggarettes, also the number one killer. Also legal, just like alcohol, which is also physically addictive. Weird, right? Oh, and let's not forget how Marijuana is mentally addicitve. You know what else is mentally addictive? Myspace. Video games. Alcohol. Tobacco. Wow, those two keep coming up. Yet, marijuana is a drug, and it's bad! How bout this? Anything you put in your body besides food and water, and even some of the food, is bad for you. Is that how we should begin looking at this? In that case, McDonalds is more of a threat than Marijuana. How so? Because the long term effects of McDonalds? Heart diesease. Yeah, sound fun? I honestly get so tired of the hippy love pot heads, and the straight edge kids who are so superior because they don't do any drugs. Honestly, the facts speak volumes, they tell me that propaganda, and an inadequate taxation are the real reasons why marijuana is illegal, while the real killers like tobacco and alcohol remain so easy to obtain.

But I must commend the government's atrocious attempts to limit consumption of these products, which on the whole makes the problem worse. How could age limits make it worse? Well for starters let's just point out that by putting an age limit on something like alcohol you just make it that much more appealing to adolescents. What do teenagers want to do? Push the limits and break rules. Why? It's human nature, we live in a society that is fueled by individuals who push the envelope and bend or break the rules. So when you say you can't smoke unless you're 18 or 19 or whatever, and you can't drink until you're 21, we're begging kids to find creative ways to bypass these restrictions, and instead of doing it in a moderate responsible fashion, they go to extremes in order to maximize the experience. Which means more smokers and drinkers, and more deaths. Where's the sense in that? And why not just make it all illegal? Oh my god, if you are asking this question, please, please, please crawl out from the rock you are under. Prohibition anyone? Most violent era in American history, barring the Civil War? Does anyone know when that was? Does any one know who Al Capone was? Wasn't that all due to, uh, Prohibition? Right. Great idea! That was a real doozy! Make tobacco illegal? Oh my god no! You realize how many people would straight up riot because of that? And guess who the majority might be! Veterans. Right those guys that went and fought wars for this country, lots of 'em smoke. LOTS. In fact, I'm one of them, see how that works out? Besides, tobacco companies can keep that law from ever being passed simply because they could buy off anyone that would vote for illegalizing Tobacco, and the same goes for alcohol. Which is funny, the two buiggest killers play right into each other's hands. I know for a fact when i drink, you'll catch me with a Guinness in one hand and a ciggarette in the other. Interesting correlation, no?

Honestly, when it comes down to it, I probably won't change anyone's mind. Some of you will all say drugs are bad, merely because someone told you so. Some of you will say drugs are bad because you have made a good decision to stay healthy. Some will say that drugs aren't bad because your freinds do drugs. Some will say that drugs aren't bad because you do drugs. Some won't give a shit what anybody thinks either way. It's all a matter of the choices you make. Personally I can't condemn anyone for smoking pot, or cigarattes, or for drinking alcohol. I can however condemn those who condemn me for doing so. None of those things make you a bad person, none of those things means that you are superior or inferior to anyone else. They just make you, well, you. So, I guess take it as it is.

[Donut]

Great post Urden.

[Do'Urden]

Word up! :cm:

[Kamina]

Honestly, when it comes down to it, I probably won't change anyone's mind. Some of you will all say drugs are bad, merely because someone told you so. Some of you will say drugs are bad because you have made a good decision to stay healthy. Some will say that drugs aren't bad because your freinds do drugs. Some will say that drugs aren't bad because you do drugs. Some won't give a shit what anybody thinks either way. It's all a matter of the choices you make. Personally I can't condemn anyone for smoking pot, or cigarattes, or for drinking alcohol. I can however condemn those who condemn me for doing so. None of those things make you a bad person, none of those things means that you are superior or inferior to anyone else. They just make you, well, you. So, I guess take it as it is.

I think the stigma behind illegal drug use and the excitement in bypassing those restrictions is the reason why drugs are given such a bad name. Angyo makes the argument that the drugs ruin the people, I however think it was those people's inclination to deviance in the first place. A substance is only as bad as you make it out to be, rational decisions will always be a part of human nature; on the other hand irrational decisions also contribute a great deal. If someone chooses to do drugs in their spare time, it should be their right to do so. But when it comes down to them stealing for drugs, or milking the system to get free money, then I say no thanks loser.

[Do'Urden]

But how can you blame them for milking the system? We allow them to milk the system. Weaknesses in our systems will be exploited. By allowing people to do nothing and get welfare checks that go to booze and drugs we hurt ourselves. You're right though, it is a question of morals, but that just goes into nature vs nurture. can you blame an individual for murder if they were never taught that murder is wrong? Same for taking advantage of the system.

It's the same question I ask every time someone says you're condemned to hell if you don't accept Jesus. What if no one ever tells you about Jesus? Still condemned to Hell? How is that even fair?

Morality is, unfortunately, still a matter of opinion.

[Kamina]

Its not my system though, and these people know what they are doing. They are taking the taxpayers money and using it to their own benefit. They do it because they can, not because they think they are right.

You say that you cant blame them because morality is subjective. However I am going to question their way of life and say it is wrong. I see what you mean though; you grow up in an environment that supports this type of behavior and it just becomes your way of life. I just think some of these people are a bit more cognizant about their behavior than most give them credit for.

[Do'Urden]

I definitely agree there, But it's really not my place to judge them. Even if they know exactly what they are doing, and just how rong it is. It's just not my place to judge them.

I think they should be held accountable for thier actions, but at the same time I am no dispenser of justice. And you can't just go on a punisher-esque crusade. Well, at least not without proper motivation.

[Kamina]

Who should judge them then? We have a right to our opinion, and I think that stealing and taking what shouldnt rightfully be yours is wrong. If it didnt affect the rest of the country so negatively (in in turn myself), then i would have no problem with their lifestyle. When it comes to encroach upon my life, that is when I will take a stand against someone.

[Do'Urden]

Well, You can get as heated as you want bout it, but if you don't actually do anything it's just a waste of time and energy. So now they're taking your time, your money, and your energy. In a sense you're contributing to them. Why?

[Aki-Agi]

Well, You can get as heated as you want bout it, but if you don't actually do anything it's just a waste of time and energy. So now they're taking your time, your money, and your energy. In a sense you're contributing to them. Why?

In a sense there is no way you cannot contribute to them. Like you two have said, these people are using our money for their own benefit. And I don't see judging some drug users and not judging others as a waste of time and energy. If I do everything possible to stay away from drug abusers, that keeps me out harms way when I do decide I want to do something again. It's those that are responsible about what they do that I won't pass judgment on because I have no right to. I literal terms they have done nothing morally wrong.

As I said, some are rightful to judge. Those who steal or even kill just to get what they want are people who need to be judged based on the sole fact that they need to be avoided, just to stay out of harm's way. That takes absolutely NO energy at all and doesn't waste any of my time.

[anamacote]

I hate drugs,i really do!I have never taken drugs and i never will!

[Miley]

I hate drugs,i really do!I have never taken drugs and i never will!

yeah! drugs are bad )3

[Do'Urden]

yeah! drugs are bad )3

Seriously...those who condemn without firsthand experience are those who inhibit the progression of the human race.

[Cursive]

Not many people who are willing to try them firsthand don't like them, at least not all of them. Anyone that is open-minded enough not to condemn them without having tried is likely not to dislike the experience. :/
I can't say that everything I've tried I've liked. There's... one thing I can say I disliked that I have done. I'm still glad I tried it.
Mmm, closed-mindedness.

[M_Ghey]

Not many people who are willing to try them firsthand don't like them, at least not all of them. Anyone that is open-minded enough not to condemn them without having tried is likely not to dislike the experience. :/
I can't say that everything I've tried I've liked. There's... one thing I can say I disliked that I have done. I'm still glad I tried it.
Mmm, closed-mindedness.
true true.


i do like my weed, i dont see anything terrible about drugs, unless you overdo it with the hard ones, like heroin.

im probably willing to try anything once.

[yoco007]

I know a few people with drug history, and when I see them on streets, I just thank god I have such great parents for teaching me about drugs and these kinda stuff.

[Prince Noctis]

I have never ever smoked weed or done any other drugs, including alcohol, because I'm 19 years old and I'm in the Air Force, which in order to get in you have to be squeaky clean.
Also I watched on TV that drugs are bad for you.


/sarcasm

[Hikari]

Nah. I honestly am not interested in them at all. A few people I know are into the lighter stuff like pot.

I hear about drugs, and it bores me. So I've never touched any and I don't think I ever will.

[Cursive]

I'd like to know what's considered "hard."

[yoco007]

You mean "hard" drugs?

[Cursive]

No, I mean hard as in density. Lead? Quartz? Diamonds?

[.Rik-uh-shey]

I'd like to know what's considered "hard."

Heroin, coke, meth, etc.

No, I mean hard as in density. Lead? Quartz? Diamonds?

Dragonforce.

[Cursive]

So, then, addictive things? I don't consider psychedelics "hard." Possibly because I love them. I just didn't know whether normal people considered them "hard."

[~Alissa~]

Well drugs are good and bad for. A majority of it is bad and some is good. Basicly it is 50% 50% and that is the bad thing. People have to be stuiped and drug themselfs up. But it mainly because the things we see and here about.

[.Rik-uh-shey]

So, then, addictive things? I don't consider psychedelics "hard." Possibly because I love them. I just didn't know whether normal people considered them "hard."

Psychedelics like LSD?

No I don't believe they're considered 'hard' drugs.

[Cursive]

Your argument is superior. I forfeit.

[Cursive]

Psychedelics like LSD?

No I don't believe they're considered 'hard' drugs.


Yes, like that. I don't either, but I think "normal" people do consider them so.

[Do'Urden]

Acid isn't a casual drug. It's very potent and the side effects are pretty terrible.

[Cursive]

Side effects? There aren't really side effects.
You can do acid many times and be a completely normal person.
If you do enough, the effects can occasionally be pretty terrifying, but that's at a user's discretion. It can be pretty mild, even.

[Kamina]

Well drugs are good and bad for. A majority of it is bad and some is good. Basicly it is 50% 50% and that is the bad thing. People have to be stuiped and drug themselfs up. But it mainly because the things we see and here about.

Any normal logic would say that 50% good and 50% bad makes in a neutral thing.

I dont see the "stuiped" drug users making silly spelling errors, obvious grammatical mistakes, with a sentence structure that could be emulated by a 3rd grader *shrugs* /end asshole comment.

I usually consider the body high drugs that have potential physical addiction or high abuse potential to be "hard". Stuff like coke, meth, or heroin. I guess other drugs with similar effects could be considered "hard" too, but prescription stuff like adderall, oxycodone, or dextroamphetamine dont really seem too hard to me. I guess its the general purity that makes these drugs safe and not really considered "hard" imo. Snorting lines of basically any street substance is what I consider to be potentially dangerous.

Oh yea, I think MDMA is a "hard" drug too.

edit: if your family history is prone to mental health disorders, Acid could trigger some of these more latent effects to arise. The only side effects to psychedelics are usually mental, but in a normal "sound" mind you should be relatively symptom free.

[.Rik-uh-shey]

Well drugs are good and bad for. A majority of it is bad and some is good. Basicly it is 50% 50% and that is the bad thing. People have to be stuiped and drug themselfs up. But it mainly because the things we see and here about.

Just saw this.

Sir I am willing to offer you a six figure paying job as an anti-drug speaker.

Tell me, are you up for the task?

[Cursive]

I would consider MDMA "hard," as well, but wouldn't renounce my love for it. It's not something to be careless with, but occasional use with at least mild responsibility doesn't hurt too much, in the "sound mind."
I'd agree on that, too. If you have a family history of mental disorders or possibly have one, you might want to stay away from those types of things.

[M_Ghey]

So, then, addictive things? I don't consider psychedelics "hard." Possibly because I love them. I just didn't know whether normal people considered them "hard."
i dont consider them hard either.

i meant stuff like heroin and such. =]

[Cursive]

Harmful and addictive things that are hardly beneficial on any level?

[M_Ghey]

i guess.

though why not try everything just to see how it is, u'know?

[Cursive]

Yeah, there's not much that I wouldn't at least try once. Maybe more intense psychedelics like DMT and 2C-E and such, at least not until I'm extremely experienced with more subtle psychedelics.

[Aki-Agi]

I would consider MDMA "hard," as well, but wouldn't renounce my love for it. It's not something to be careless with, but occasional use with at least mild responsibility doesn't hurt too much, in the "sound mind."
I'd agree on that, too. If you have a family history of mental disorders or possibly have one, you might want to stay away from those types of things.

I don't consider MDMA/Ecstacy a hard drug. Technically it is a hard drug, but not for me. At one point I was taking it more than I was smoking weed, which is saying a lot on account of my history with weed.......

The reason I don't see it as a hard drug is because if you take care of yourself there is never any consequences from taking it. Those idiots that take 10-15 tabs (usually popular high school kids, the ones you can sell tabs to way overpriced and they'll still love you for it) are the ones that actually create a percentage of people that overdose on it. Those kids that try it for their first time without knowing not to overhydrate OR dehydrate yourself, yeah those are the ones that have turned the view on ecstacy into complete crap.

Or maybe I just see it this way because I've done so much of it. Tops 9 in one night, but this was a very long night of raving/driving naked through dallas,tx/party hopping.... yeah.... kinda glad I'm over doing drugs but I do kinda miss...

All but the comedowns... good god I'm glad I don't have to deal with those anymore

PS: I've tried 2C-B and 2C-E and a mild form of DMT. They are alright but were somewhat expensive. I stick to pure MDMA or just regular tabs.

[Cursive]

2C-B isn't much harder to handle than LSD or MDMA, but I've herd sumthings about 2C-E and DMT and a couple of the DOx chemicals that make me a bit antsy about trying them. Not that I'd pass it up, if it were offered, because I live in a small town and that opportunity is almost completely improbable.
Yeah, I suppose the only thing that makes MDMA "hard" is the irresponsible people that do way too much.

[M_Ghey]

Yeah, there's not much that I wouldn't at least try once. Maybe more intense psychedelics like DMT and 2C-E and such, at least not until I'm extremely experienced with more subtle psychedelics.
those are a bit scary to me tbh.

[Kamina]

2C-B isn't much harder to handle than LSD or MDMA, but I've herd sumthings about 2C-E and DMT and a couple of the DOx chemicals that make me a bit antsy about trying them. Not that I'd pass it up, if it were offered, because I live in a small town and that opportunity is almost completely improbable.
Yeah, I suppose the only thing that makes MDMA "hard" is the irresponsible people that do way too much.

Well, DMT is supposed to be comparable to near death experiences, which are pretty intense to say the least.

Im more of a psychedelic fan than anything else, and would probably try mostly anything I was offered. Granted I know what I am taking and what to expect, I would never go into it irresponsibly. Like stupid people who take 3 hits of acid for the first time at a Slayer concert or something, lol.

LSD easy to handle? Maybe 1 or 2 hits, but acid trips can get pretty overwhelming.

[Cursive]

Oh, yes, I wouldn't ever say that acid is "easy to handle" at all doses, maybe at certain doses it is relatively mild, and can be compared to being really, really high, but not in general.

[Do'Urden]

Side effects? There aren't really side effects.
You can do acid many times and be a completely normal person.
If you do enough, the effects can occasionally be pretty terrifying, but that's at a user's discretion. It can be pretty mild, even.

That makes zero sense to me.

A) Acid has negative side effects regardless, and using it once a year for your whole life isn't exactly going to fry you, But every time you use acid it kills brain cells. Plus, the shit stays in your system for LIFE. You can't get rid of it. So...no matter what that's a drawback.

B) Have you ever had a bad trip? Terrible. Period.

[Kamina]

Ever break through on salvia? Its comparable to intensity of a DMT trip.

Acid kills braincells? *ish news to me*

[Do'Urden]

Ugh. That's not even worth it to me. Salvia is so terrible.

[Kamina]

Salvia is nuts, I still have yet to break through though. The one and only time I did it I felt the strangest gravity feeling, and everything became like a vortex swirling around me. I kept trying to explain how funny the feeling I was having to everyone else, and all I could do was burst out laughing uncontrollably. For the rest of the night I felt pretty mellowed out, I cant really say its that terrible. Just something to be careful with, cause I have heard some really intense reports from friends.

[Cursive]

I've had a bad trip, and it wouldn't ward me away from the substance, just because I had one or two bad experiences. I must say, they were quite terrible, though. Also, the staying in your body for your whole life isn't really a drawback. Drug tests don't test for it, because of that, and the very occasional relapse isn't much of a bad thing. I would have to say that it doesn't kill brain cells any more than a night of drinking, though, and so few brain cells isn't really much of a terrible loss. Salvia is pretty pointless to me. It's really expensive, and the experience is short-lived and more-often-than-not terrifying.

[Aki-Agi]

Salvia is nuts, I still have yet to break through though. The one and only time I did it I felt the strangest gravity feeling, and everything became like a vortex swirling around me. I kept trying to explain how funny the feeling I was having to everyone else, and all I could do was burst out laughing uncontrollably. For the rest of the night I felt pretty mellowed out, I cant really say its that terrible. Just something to be careful with, cause I have heard some really intense reports from friends.

I have yet to try salvia...

Strange that one of the one things I haven't tried is actually legally sold at smoke shops /facepalm

[Kamina]

LSD isnt really a poison, I really havent heard any evidence of it killing any brain cells at all, nevermind being on par with a night of heavy drinking.

[Cursive]

I didn't even say heavy drinking. I don't think it kills any at all, but at most it would be on par with that.

[Do'Urden]

Acid is not for me. I used to mess around with it.

I guess I am special case though. I always get terrible flashbacks when I trip. No good.

[Kamina]

Acid is not for me. I used to mess around with it.

I guess I am special case though. I always get terrible flashbacks when I trip. No good.

Yea, then I guess it is better for you to avoid it.

And yea, Salvia is expensive, but its legal, so you wont get in trouble for using it. And being short lived aint so bad, the DMT you speak of also lasts about the same time. I think the intensity of breaking through is what makes the experience so terrifying, not necessarily the *evil* nature of the drug itself. Salvia is something that you need to ease into before going all the way, I have heard better trips from people who gauge themselves carefully and get used to the substance before going all the way. Its like any drug, you wouldnt want to take 5 hits of acid your first time either. YMMV I guess.

[Cursive]

Oh, I'd like to know, what are people's informed opinions on DXM?

[Kamina]

DXM is <3

I think it gets so much bad publicity because it is the active ingredient in cough syrup, but it really isnt as bad a substance as people think, even drug users themselves. I have met many people, and most of them are kind of turned off by DXM, in which makes me wonder why?

Its a rather versatile dissociative. It has a range of effects ranging from mild to mindblowingly deep and introspective. Combine it with weed and its even more fantastic, the synergistic effects are simply wonderful.

As for side effects, I think they are rather minimal. Brain damage in the form of lesions was suspected, but was later proved false. So at this point in time, no research has shown any signs of long term damage, although there is a point of overdoing it with this substance. Caution must be used to avoid addiction, as imo this can become a physically addictive substance if used in extreme excess.

If you havent noticed its one of my favorite substances :p

[Cursive]

I'm kind of relieved. I'm used to most people, even drug users, scoffing at it and looking down upon me for liking it. I'm not too fond of third plateau and beyond, but first and second are lovely. :D

[Aki-Agi]

Last time I took DXM it went right along with a few oxycontin and the occasional blunt

I fingerpainted for quite a while ^_^ still have some of the paintings. They are stashed away because they look horrible though :(

[Kamina]

I have actually found each level of effects to have its percs. A low level dose is great for a mood enhancement, just something to make you feel a bit happier. Like doing something you totally didnt feel like doing will be funner on a small dose of DXM. But if you need to maintain sobriety without feeling too "high", there is sort of a small threshhold where you might feel akward.

A "2nd plateau" is great for partying imo. I find myself dosing before any party I go to, and to compensate I just drink less. I can get to the same level after 10 shots than I can with 2 shots and a mid dose of DXM. Makes for an enhanced experience instead of just being drun, and the lack of hangover the next day is a total perk.

I love going to the 3rd plateau (4th is supposedly dangerous, I just avoid dosing that much), but this is something that you must prepare for. Since DXM is a dissociative, being with people is generally uneventful and a bad idea. I tend to take these trips alone. They usually involve me watching anime until I cant stand staring at a computer monitor any longer, taking 2 or 3 hits of weed, and being totally blasted off into a new world. I have had plenty of mind opening experiences with this combo, and have even had some really pivotal life changing trips.

The unacceptability of DXM even in the drug community is quite surprising. I guess the stigma behind the idea that "only losers drink cough syrup, YUKK" radiates pretty strongly. Its funny, cause most drug users fight this same battle with non drug using friends. Its weird how they cant be accepting of something so similar...

[Cursive]

Fingerpainting is the best. That and painting murals on your bedroom walls.

[Senna6]

Think you can pain a drug inspired mural on my wall?

[Cursive]

It's not my wall. It doesn't work that way. :<

[Aki-Agi]

It's not my wall. It doesn't work that way. :<

Me and my friend took magic markers once and drew a bunch of really cool things on one of my ex's bed sheets. This was without her consent though, and looking back now I'm glad she didn't get mad lol. We were only high though, nothing else involved.

[Cursive]

Anything is a good canvas. :D

[Do'Urden]

My wall was a mural. I bought a shit load of black paint for the base color. Bunch of me and my friend's sectioned off the walls and went to town with red and white paint. Lot's of lyrics, and pictures of stupid things, but also some really cool things. Wish I still had pictures of it. My sister took my room when I moved out, and painted over it. >:

[Akito]

Sadly yes:
-La Marijuana
-Shrooms
-Ecstasy
-Nas (Computer cleaner)
But now I'm sober... I think o.O

[.Rik-uh-shey]

DMT sounds like one hell of a drug.

http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/dmt_first_time_report.html

[Helios]

I'd have to say a few times i've had contact with them just to try them out

Didn't like any of them though, had no problems with being a drug addict or anything :whatevah:

[.Rik-uh-shey]

Lol, Joe Rogan knows his shit:

YouTube - Joe Rogan talks about DMT

Damn I want me some DMT now though I heard it was extremely hard to get a hold of.

[:.sack_boy .:]

hell no
other can but i dont want that stuff in my body
i'll have to pass :)

[Rinny]

Don't want anything to do with drugs. I like to be 100% clearheaded and have my feet on mother earth, know what's going on etc. Same reason why I won't ever get drunk...I like my perception to be in good shape.

[ichigo-01]

i used to back then when i was a raver but now i stopped and dont do drugs no more

[Lilia]

like smoking drugs is bad. i never tried drugs but i dont want to. maybe it is because i am scared and my parents have told me many things. i dont like to be with people who take drugs because they change into different people. i stay away from them even if i dont want to :(

[Hattori.pt]

never Tried...and i don't want to try
if i Can be happy without trying them, Why should i try them?

[Cursive]

You can be happier with them. :)
and that's a pretty shaky reason as to not even try
trying doesn't mean having to do it ever again, unless you want to

[Hattori.pt]

Yeah I Know, but if you can prevent them, why not?

It's Like you are walking and a friend says that U are going to fall but not hurt to much ( imagine there's a hole in there ) xD

Do you prefer taking that way or just turn around and go other way?

[Upgrade]

i havent done drugs before... i wanna keep it that way :)

[PlushGiraffe]

eww, my parents always told me never ever to do drugs!
normally i dont like, listen to them, but like, drugs are totally bad for you!

[Rox]

Just no way, I'm sure for some people it has turned out fine and they have had a lot of fun but there have been to many bad stories about drugs for me to take the risk.

[Gompers]

i do so many drugs i dont even remember if i did drugs today or not but i think i did i dont remember.

im so baked LOL

[Cursive]

I like how most of the posters here are dupes right now.

[anamacote]

Hell no!
I´m from a country where there are a lot of this stuff and i hate them because they are giving my country a bad name or reputation.I haven´t taken drugs and i never will.Period.

[Miss Pixelface]

I'm not generally interested on drugs, but I've been thinking a lot about entheogens lately. I'm well aware of how strong some of this shit is, but I'm not really up for the recreative factor but for more of a mind enhancing experience. DMT sounds pretty ****ing awesome; but since there's no way of me getting it, would salvia or ayahuasca get close to that? also, how much does salvia cost for you amerifags? it's like 40 bucks a gram of the 10x extract over here (that would be something around 18 us dollars, I think) :s

[Cursive]

It might be easier to get DMT there than here. Most people I've heard of here get it through the mail, but I don't live in or near a major city. Salvia is... unpleasant, usually, and I'd hardly consider it a very good start. I haven't broken through, but if I had, when I did it before acid or shrooms or heavy DXM or any such things, I would have ****ing killed myself. Maybe you should think less about entheogens, and more of psychedelics in general. Ancient peoples didn't have acid, but I can say that the first time I did it was definitely for spiritual/mind-enhancing purposes. That or even shrooms or mescaline, I don't know what's easiest to find down there. Good luck, though, man. I hope you find what you're looking for, the substance and the experience.

[Miss Pixelface]

thanks <4

yeah, DMT would probably be easier to find over here since some of the plants that have it are native from here, I think. I'd have no clue where to start looking though, I can't exactly fly to the amazon and ask sum indians around :[
Salvia is... unpleasant, usually, and I'd hardly consider it a very good start. I haven't broken through, but if I had, when I did it before acid or shrooms or heavy DXM or any such things, I would have ****ing killed myself.
yeah, I don't think I've heard any nice stories about it. if I don't have a clue what to expect, are the chances of going crazy or it driving me to suicide that high, though? it's sort of silly, that the stuff that's easier to find is what will **** you up the most. :s

I've considered psychedelics mostly for the fun of them, but me having about zero of a social life means I don't know anyone irl that does acid or mescaline. shrooms I could probably find if I gave some old friends a call.

[pookalooza]

i took e in the pill form once, it was amazing,i toko two and was the happiest i think i have ever been in my life...although the comedown was a ***** and i spent the rest of the week guerning.:musak:

[Kamina]

What is your experience with psychedelics? I would suggest trying something as extreme as DMT or salvia without previous drug experience.

Salvia doesnt have to be terrifying, you just have to be in a good mindset for it. Its not for someone who just "wants to get fucked up", it is a serious entheogen with hardcore effects. Its terrifying for most people simply because they werent ready for such an overwhelming experience. Blissful trips do exist with Salvia, it just might not happen the first few times you do it. Mental preparation is a big part of handling drugs like this.

[Cursive]

yeah, I don't think I've heard any nice stories about it. if I don't have a clue what to expect, are the chances of going crazy or it driving me to suicide that high, though? it's sort of silly, that the stuff that's easier to find is what will **** you up the most. :s

I've considered psychedelics mostly for the fun of them, but me having about zero of a social life means I don't know anyone irl that does acid or mescaline. shrooms I could probably find if I gave some old friends a call.

You won't go crazy or kill yourself, that was an exaggeration. Doing other things usually doesn't prepare you much for breaking through on salvia, though, because it's not like other things very much.

Shrooms are pretty fun, but I suppose the case being that I've only done them while I was rolling, and a lot of them at that, my experience was probably a lot better than the average first time.

I will say that after doing psychedelics or some of those mentioned entheogens, the way you see things will likely change quite a bit. That's one of the best parts of it, is the altered worldview.

[pookalooza]

speed is good, in powder form, but dont try crossing the road, i was at the pavement for ages trying to decide where to go, lol.

[Kamina]

Um, why would we change tht tielt of the thread? It IS about drugs :cm:

Cursive - Preparing for Salvia would involve meditating beforehand and preparing yourself for a mindblowing experience. Set and setting mean a lot when doing drugs, and getting into the proper mindset is essential for a drug like salvia.

[Pipp-ORK]

Um, why would we change tht tielt of the thread? It IS about drugs

I doubt the thread's intent was to offer illegal drug suggestions and tips.

Speak responsibly, or I'm locking the thread - broken rules or no.


[This was a warning to deleted posts--Sarteck]

[.Rik-uh-shey]

I doubt the thread's intent was to offer illegal drug suggestions and tips.

Please speak responsibly.

Better to help them get prepared for it then they go into it not knowing what to expect....

[Kamina]

^^ Yea huh

Its about harm reduction. Without knowledge comes danger. Lots of drug mishaps arise because of people who are ill informed. I dont thik we have broken any rules here. Supplier information has not been discussed, nor has the sketchy discussion of prices.

[Pierrot]

Without knowledge being the operative words.

[Cursive]

If there's no distinguished use for something, then one can't really abuse it.
I'm not going to your threads and *****ing about things you do or like.

[.Rik-uh-shey]

It should be changed to the "Post the illegal substances you abuse and show off how much you ****ing fail at life" thread, just a thought. JUST THROWIN' IT OUT THERE.

Other ideas include the "We're all thick twats, let's get enlightened" enlightened could be switched out for "happy" or whatever ridiculously fail excuse you use for being such a clown.

JUST SAYIN'

I'm not seeing anybody bragging about their drug use. Kamina seriously uses psychedelics for an enlightening experience which they can give you.

If you think that everyone that takes drugs is a scumbag then "well thats just like your opinion man."

[Kamina]

Without knowledge being the operative words.

Your ignorance is unnerving. Please leave our thread if you have nothing constructive to say.

*uses psychedelics for spiritual discovery*

[Princess Gheyfu]

@Peirrot: Wow, could you be more close-minded? |:

I, for one, oppose the use of drugs, but I don't go into discussions for drug use and say people are lacking in knowledge, people fail at life, or calling them thichkheaded twats if they're having a civilized discussion. Pretty much the equivelent of walking into an anime convention and calling all anime fans nerds, in where you are the one making yourself look like an idiot with mindless flaming. :/

[Princess Gheyfu]

You are breaking a rule. It's called flaming. :|

@Kamina or Cursive or whomever: A friend of mine has recently been showing interest in the use of LSD/Acid but isn't necessarily sure of the side-effects or if it is harmful or not, to which I'm not extremely sure. Can it do harm to the user directly (you know, not taking into account maltreatment or whatnot)?

[Kamina]

We arent, but when someone comes in and mocks what you enjoy, its gonna piss you off a little. Lets not go off topic.

The effects of LSD are minimal to none. Though if your friend has a family history of mental problems, or has had them him/herself, I suggest avoiding it completely.

[Cursive]

@Tofu: Really, in all honesty, if that's allowed here, it's harmless in moderation. Trying it once won't produce any negative side effects, except possibly a bit of a scare, if used in a negative atmosphere or during a time of emotional turmoil. If anything, I'd say it's probably the safest substance one could possibly give a try.

[Princess Gheyfu]

@Kamina and Cursive: Ah, thanks. (:

[Pipp-ORK]

Pierrot, bow out.

Just, please talk responsibly. Sharing methods/tips/etc. isn't responsible.

[Holly]

Anyway...to answer OP's question,

No, I have never used drugs, gotten high, or drunk. And I'd like it to stay that way. The closest thing to me to a cigarette was when I was riding in a friend's car out for lunch and he offered me a smoke. So I put the cigarette in my mouth and inhale. 5 minutes later, I get the worst migrane. Ever. It felt like my head was going to inplode. Like my brain just tried to divide by 0. ;___;

So I said "Aw Screw this!" And from that moment on, I will never ever even so much as let my lips touch a cigarette. xD


On another note: can't we all just get along? Dx

[Kamina]

Pierrot, bow out.

Just, please talk responsibly. Sharing methods/tips/etc. isn't responsible.

If you have seen most of my posts, they involve talking about using drugs safely. Preparing yourself mentally for a salvia trip is only one example. And not to mention it is legal, so I would assume im allowed to talk about it. There is such thing as responsible drug use, and its called harm reduction. Knowing a lot about the subject, harm reduction is more effective than DARE-type scare tactics.

Its not like im telling people how to make meth, or the best way to find weed on the streets in under an hour. Damn Pierrot and ruining our thread :/

I guess this just means we should have an 18+ section where we can talk about stuff like this and not influence the feeble youth. /sarcasm....or is it?

edot: yes, cigarettes are lame. They take a while to get used to, and still nothing to write home about.

[Pierrot]

I don't think I'm better than you guys, you can do whatever you want, I don't agree with the last couple of pages though, it's not okay to pat people on the back and send them on their way like they are doing something productive.

[Cursive]

Perhaps, the idea of productivity is, again, objective.
This is getting nowhere. Continuing it will result in what, I'm sure we can all agree, can be nothing productive.

[Pipp-ORK]

Is it so much to ask that everybody tone it down a bit?

Stop arguing.

Quit fighting, quit giving advice on how to best utilize various drugs, and continue with the topic. It really shouldn't create this much of a fuss.

[Miss Pixelface]

oh look, this thread is so cute now.

Trev and Kamina, thanks for the help. I'll probably sit on this for a while longer since I haven't really decided on what I'm going to do; atm I lack the time to do something as time consuming as lsd or shrooms, plus something like dmt or even salvia would probably be a closer experience to what I'm looking for, even if it may terrify on a first try. and about set and setting, I wouldn't dare do this with anything disturbing me or at a less than calm place.

chillax guise, I'll leave this thread alone now.

[Hiraishin]

Will just change the subject :p

I'm a bit worried about my older brother, he isn't the most responsible guy, is infact immature. My step dad said that my brother told him he does weed/ other drugs. I'm worried about him because they may end up hurting him more than anything. How can tell my brother is on drugs?

[Barbaroi]

If hes smoking weed. Most obvious way would be red eyes or the smell. If you notice him zoning out into nothing... like I used to do... hes tweaking. LoL. That's the best way imo to tell. Of course there are more detailed things, but rely on knowing the persons habits. If they don't do as much as they used to or the things they used to, they could be smoking weed (weed de-motivates me lol, makes me lazy). Dilated pupils can also be a way to tell.

Or you could straight do a cop test on em.

Pull out a pen, tell them to follow the pen with their eyes and if their head moves then they are TWEAKING!! :D

[Sarteck]

Went through and deleted a bunch of posts.

NEW RULES FOR THIS THREAD!
You are not allowed to say that you have/use illegal substances.
You are not to give advice on how to avoid detection of illegal substances by authorities.
You are not allowed to encourage people to try illegal substances.

Thank you.

[Do'Urden]

Censorship is pretty much the ****ing anti-Christ^

Drugs are a personal choice. There's really no right or wrong, there's only majority.

[Kamina]

^Ya

Went through and deleted a bunch of posts.

NEW RULES FOR THIS THREAD!
You are not allowed to say that you have/use illegal substances.
You are not to give advice on how to avoid detection of illegal substances by authorities.
You are not allowed to encourage people to try illegal substances.

Thank you.

So talking about past experiences is ok? And so would be giving advice on how to safely use rather than put in danger?

*probably wont post in this thread again*

[Pipp-ORK]

So talking about past experiences is ok?

Yes, that's fine.

And so would be giving advice on how to safely use rather than put in danger?

No. This isn't a 'How To' forum.

And, there's always Google.

*probably wont post in this thread again*

That would be a tragedy.

[anamacote]

No Kamina,don´t give up!
You are the best i know who can give good arguments about the drugs.

I don´t know much about drugs.

[MuDvAyNe]

as alot of us know, caffine is the most used drug daily in the world.

i know lots of drugs just off the top of my head:Halcium, morphine,
5-methoxy-n, n-dimethyltryptamine,
Psilocybin, mescaline, aspirin, histomine,
Brushite, darvaset, valium, caffeine, cannabis, LSD,
Trisolam and zanex, serotonin, mdma, ibogaine, dopeamine,
Tetra-hydro-chloride, atenolol,
Amanita muscaria,
Boric oxide, arrabinitol, psilocin, flamizine,
Cylotec and harmaline

dont do drugs kids. i have nevver used drugs, and dont intent to. just caffine and sleeping pills if that counts. i am often depressed but thats not me.

[Kamina]

That would be a tragedy.

What the hell do you care? :rolleye09

Ana - Helpful advice is against the rules.

[anamacote]

Wow!That´s a long list and i must confess that i don´t know much about drugs.I know only a few but i have never used drugs in my life and i will not use them.

@Kami: it is ok.I got the pic!

[MuDvAyNe]

well i sure do know a bit. drugs are just useless. they will kill you ahahahahahqa!

[anamacote]

Actually ,like Kami said a few posts before,and i agree, moderation is the key word.
Everything can be dangerous!But the must important thing is to know how far you can go.

[Kamina]

as alot of us know, caffine is the most used drug daily in the world.

i know lots of drugs just off the top of my head:Halcium,
histomine,
Brushite,
serotonin,
Tetra-hydro-chloride, atenolol,
Boric oxide, arrabinitol, flamizine,
Cylotec and harmaline



Something tells me that these arent drugs for consumption.

*smokes a bowl of boric oxide*

[anamacote]

Well,i come from Colombia but i must admit that i have never heard about these drugs before.Mhhh,wierd!

[Miss Pixelface]

as alot of us know, caffine is the most used drug daily in the world.

i know lots of drugs just off the top of my head:Halcium, morphine,
5-methoxy-n, n-dimethyltryptamine,
Psilocybin, mescaline, aspirin, histomine,
Brushite, darvaset, valium, caffeine, cannabis, LSD,
Trisolam and zanex, serotonin, mdma, ibogaine, dopeamine,
Tetra-hydro-chloride, atenolol,
Amanita muscaria,
Boric oxide, arrabinitol, psilocin, flamizine,
Cylotec and harmaline

dont do drugs kids. i have nevver used drugs, and dont intent to. just caffine and sleeping pills if that counts. i am often depressed but thats not me.

well i sure do know a bit. drugs are just useless. they will kill you ahahahahahqa!
:facepalm:

[Pipp-ORK]

What the hell do you care?

Ana - Helpful advice is against the rules.

Quit trying to start a fight.

If you insist upon acting like a petulant preteen, go ahead. I don't particularly care.

"Helpful advice", as in, "this is how you use this"? No, obviously.

Abide by the rules or get the hell out, which you've threatened to do anyway - MUCH TO MY DISMAY.

[MuDvAyNe]

whatever. and most of thses are just depressants. not allare to be smoked. (Cannabis is technical term for WEED, or MARIJUANA)

[Pierrot]

What the hell do you care? :rolleye09

Ana - Helpful advice is against the rules.

Your idea of helpful advice is ridiculous, you're like a walking instruction booklet aren't you.

Get a grip.

[anamacote]

I still think that moderation is the key word.For example i used to smoke on the parties but i always knew how far i could get in order to enjoy the party.

[Kamina]

Quit trying to start a fight.

If you insist upon acting like a petulant preteen, go ahead. I don't particularly care.

Are you being facetious? :Haha


"Helpful advice", as in, "this is how you use this"? No, obviously.

Good thing you said this, I was just about to post my tutorial on needles.


Abide by the rules or get the hell out, which you've threatened to do anyway - MUCH TO MY DISMAY.

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showpost.php?p=1307099&postcount=1
Such as something like this? :p

Ana - One hint; Those arent drugs...

[MuDvAyNe]

so immature. hahahahahahaha i got more drugs to name. but i dont use. the only drug ive ever ODed on is caffine to to excessive energy drink consumption.

[Kamina]

At least I dont vamp up by drug list by posting reagents, etc that are in no way a drug. I kind of think doing that is not only uninformative, but dangerous.

[Pipp-ORK]

http://forums.bleachportal.net/showp...99&postcount=1
Such as something like this?

Oh?

I'm afraid I'm too busy trying to herd you back to the playground to delete the piles of meaningless crap in this thread.

Seriously, give it up and back off. Read the rules. Read them again. They don't ask you to slaughter a group of innocents. They don't a