is this animal cruelty or not? [Archive]

mongoose9012

07-27-2005, 12:46 AM

i recently got this petition thing in a myspace bulletin and it talked about a some people who stuff kitties in a container in order to reshape the kitty......i feel really sad for the kitties......T-T

here's the site: http://www.bonsaikitten.com/bkintro.html

Jedimuse

07-27-2005, 01:19 AM

i hear about the bonsai kitties a while ago, the pictures are disgusting. Who in their right mind would do such a thing? Why isn't the government doing something about it.... for crying out loud the guy is selling them even on the internet. I hate cats, but even this is too much. i wouldn't even wish this upon them. Someone should stick that guy in a small can and see how he likes it.

Donkmue

07-27-2005, 01:53 AM

It's just as much creulty as most large companys in the word treat their livestalk, you don't see the governments doing much about that. I agree that it is animal creulty.

ISAMU

07-27-2005, 02:15 AM

Someone should stick that guy in a small can and see how he likes it.
Great idea :LOL: But really seriously i think this is horrable and it needs to stop. There isn't even a REAL reason to do that junk to cats. Unless you are a sick perverted psyco.

mongoose9012

07-27-2005, 05:43 AM

i was looking thorugh the gallery on that site and there was these pictures where they were showing the steps in which to make a it so you can have you child pet the kitty while it is still in the container. they said it would be a great addition to the living room and a great way for you child to get close to the cat.......they also had a picture where they were gonna put a baby in the container.

::really disturbed::

ISAMU

07-27-2005, 06:05 AM

I know that really creeped me out..... Makes you want to do some thing...
To bad hacking is illegal.....

Tesh

07-27-2005, 06:27 AM

The Humane Society of the United States did an investigation on this guy, and deemed it to be a hoax. Article here (http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/animal_abuse_and_neglect/bonsai_kitten_web_site/). Investigation is still open, thankfully.

The sick weirdo basically gets off by making animal friends angry. Hist host refuse to remove his website, and as long as he doesn't actually sell anything or is discovered to do "bonsay kittens" the site is protected by the first amendment.

But yes, if it was true (I suppose it could still be somewhere, never know what kind of people are out there) then it would be utterly *d.i.s.g.u.s.t.i.n.g* and the people responsible should be sentenced for life in my opinion.

Sorry for getting riled up, but animal rights is close to my heart.

mongoose9012

07-27-2005, 07:02 AM

this guy or any other people better not be doing this or ill kudan their a$$es

yukino_silvermaine

07-27-2005, 09:49 AM

this is very disturbing...

Sahiden

07-27-2005, 10:58 AM

I know that really creeped me out..... Makes you want to do some thing...
To bad hacking is illegal.....

Hacking is NOT illegal in ALL cases...
I know people who do hacking as a profession. You can even take studies in hacking. Basic hacking is a part of my education as well... As long as you don't use it outside your own network or have the right ID it isn't illegal.

Meiko

07-29-2005, 01:28 PM

I heard that thing was just all a hoax. Or at least I hope it is. :(

Tennyo Hakumei

07-29-2005, 05:58 PM

My gosh, that's pure animal cruelty, it remainded me to some weirdos that went to the Galapagos and mistreated and even ate some of the protected creatures in those islands.

Pipp-ORK

07-29-2005, 06:06 PM

It's most definitely a hoax, but if it weren't, it would be a pretty psychotic thing to even think about. It's just a cruel joke that's managing to piss people off. >_<

Tesh

07-29-2005, 06:16 PM

Like Pipp said, it's "just" a sick joke.

The question still remains though, is it even morally right to do something like this? Freedom of speech is sacred thing, yes, but just the idea of doing it and keep doing it just to make people angry and feel bad is.. disgusting in my eyes.

In this day and age, it wouldn't be too far fetched to think that it would promote this kind of thing either. People do all sorts of idiotic things (setting homeless people on fire anybody?) and if this guy can get this much attention I'm sure someone is going to jump the bandwagon sooner or later, and that time it'll be for real.

mongoose9012

07-30-2005, 12:31 AM

some peoplein his guest book claim they have been doing this sort of thing......

i hope those are fake too.....

zibeline

07-30-2005, 02:00 AM

This person is really sick. It is really "feeling reluctant" and even if it is a joke it is very bad taste. It is extremely cruel.

Pipp-ORK

07-30-2005, 06:19 AM

I agree, this person apparently has a twisted sense of humour, and even if he only meant it as a joke, people just MAY be stupid enough to try that shit. O_o (I'll bet he signed his own guestbook, too. T_T) Freedom of speech is great and all, but everything has it's limit.

Meiko

07-30-2005, 11:49 AM

It is pretty sick, and I'm pretty sure he got tons and tons of hatemail, if that email address he provided it even valid. Aha. I tried reading all the e-mail address in his guestbook, and they all sound do bogus to me. -sigh- How do people come up with such stupid things to do.

Sunfire249

07-30-2005, 09:17 PM

Man, that was really twisted. I however, got that email a long time ago, and after that they said it was all a hoax so it's all good.

Tennyo Hakumei

07-30-2005, 09:22 PM

Even if it was a joke it's still wrong because he had to place the cats in those jars in order to take those pictures.

Shintao

07-31-2005, 03:46 AM

omg that is mean and sick. who the heck would do that. poor kittens

adede

07-31-2005, 06:33 AM

its awful! hu would do such a dastardly task i do not know, but it definitely IS animal cruelty!

Momo

08-01-2005, 12:51 AM

I had those replies of saying BONSAI CATS... and yeah thats cruel!!!!!!!!!! I don't wanna imagine those cats when they come out and BE FREE! lol all their bones will be in incorrect form ...:S

Tennyo Hakumei

08-01-2005, 01:05 AM

Yeah, I can imagine poor,kitties.

Schoulayer

08-10-2005, 06:59 AM

This is just sick, people who do that are scum of the earth.

Its fine when people modify their own bodies, they choose to, or if somebody else asks to modify their body, because they want it. But forcing body modificiation is just wrong.

Thaliel

08-10-2005, 08:01 AM

That thing isn't real, the whole thing was made up by some people, all fake.

visualscope

08-10-2005, 10:12 PM

it's just somethin really sick thought up by someone...but yeah, he had to put them there to take the pictures..

mongoose9012

08-11-2005, 03:14 AM

someone posted a site thatt had the truth about this somewhere...

here is the thing (http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/animal_abuse_and_neglect/bonsai_kitten_web_site/)

Tokoyami

09-08-2005, 10:22 PM

O_o i think its just wierd, i mean what if it dies and starts decaying in the bottle. That baby who used it for a seat would be scarred for life.

Lol, i think its kinda funny and cruel at the same time. :teu38:

ningo

09-09-2005, 01:32 AM

As previously remarked, it's not real, it's just a bit of black humour. If you actually read the text, the game should be given away..."rectal diverticulum" and the like.

Lunar

09-09-2005, 02:03 AM

really cant say much, but i kinda laughed at the pictures... its pretty much animal cruelty i guess, stuffing an anmail in a jar, sufficating it, with no freedom, the cat legs proberly get deformed, or get broken? i dunno. seems mean, these people should be ashamed on them selfs, doing that to little kittens..

Zattara2222

09-29-2005, 08:04 PM

If its a joke then all is good if not that guy should be tortured and stuffed in a jar by a kitten

Tokoyami

09-29-2005, 09:15 PM

O_o *pictures giat kitten touching him* AHHHHHH :eek:

Kuta~

10-05-2005, 06:55 PM

I wouldnt care if it was a joke or not..
Anybody who think up sick stuff like that...
Id personally go to their house and beat the living crap out of them..

If it Wasnt a joke though..Id take a knife THEN go to their house..

Tokoyami

10-05-2005, 07:00 PM

.....lets just close this topic as we all kno it was a joke and not a real site....not much to debate here....

Lt. Luger

10-06-2005, 05:17 AM

I was just gonna say, the whole bonsai kitten thing isnt real...though the thought of taking a kitten and stuffing it into a glass container for its lifespan is quite a sick and disturbing thought none the less. To me its nothing to laugh at. But thats just my perspective. Especially since I'm a cat lover.

crazy_shinigami v2

10-06-2005, 07:56 AM

this is pretty sick
the cats in those containers must be suffering pretty bad
think its better if i kill it to let it rest in peace
coz the cat in those containers cant even live longer anymore n maybe it
have some problems with its body coz it had never moves for a long time in the jar

kinonai

10-17-2005, 05:10 AM

Yea, so it's safe to assume that you guys haven't found out that it was a hoax site, right? Yes, he put the cats in the jars to take the pictures, but that is as far as it went. End of story.

Devonian

10-20-2005, 06:32 AM

Um I think a bunch of people need to read through the Humane Society of the United States' article again, because the article clearly states that it was a hoax and that the images were made in a photoshop program so apperantly the kittens never even went into the jars in the first place. Though I'm not defending the guy, because even as a joke some stupid people will take it seriously an really try it. Though until some one actually attempts it it won't be cruelty, besides if you try to stuff a week old kitten into anything other than a comfortable somewhat larger than the kitten itself container, which means a kennal or cardboard box, it will defend itself and you will end up hurt and the cat will run away. I know this because my family owns cats yes two black and white short hairs, and no we didn't try to stuff them in jars. It was when we were going to put them in a transport box, you now the ones the veteranarian gives you, to go to a veteranarian to get their innoculations done. If it is that haard to get a kitten into a roomy box than it must be harder to try and get one in a bottle roughly its own size.

ssjharsh

10-21-2005, 06:43 AM

That case of animal cruelty may be a hoax, but this is definitely not. What do you think, would you eat Foie Gras... gotten the info from www.goveg.com (it is a bias website, but I heard much of the same info when the topic was discussed on the McLaughlin Group on NBC)
"Foie gras, which is French for "fatty liver," is made from the grotesquely enlarged livers of male ducks and geese. Birds have up to 2 pounds of food per day pumped into their stomachs through long metal pipes that are shoved down their throats. The cruel ordeal often causes severe injuries that make it painful or even impossible for birds to drink. Those who survive the feedings suffer from a painful illness that causes their livers to swell to eight to 10 times their normal size. Many birds become too sick to walk and are reduced to pushing themselves across their cages with their wings. When the birds are slaughtered, their livers are sold for foie gras."

Digital Dreamer

10-22-2005, 07:12 AM

I will confess that i am one of those people that just hate cats.
However I find the idea of "Dedicated to preserving the long lost art of body modification in housepets" rather off putting.

And it all in the sake of art.

Now I am not one of those people that will go on about Free Range Vs. Battery Hens. And there was been many time that I have seen the people the like animal liberation being completely wrong about various agriculture practices.
However i do feel that some of those practises are cost for the reason why we have food on our table.

However..... bonsia kittens...... what purpose is that suppose to provide?
Art?
Some people taste in art are just sick.

SlayerOfMuffins

10-25-2005, 03:30 PM

This is sick and should be stopped. I could never stick a cat in a jar, or own one as it is too cruel. This should be made illegal!

DragonLink

10-25-2005, 03:49 PM

BeryllJ

10-25-2005, 04:15 PM

OMG...wht on earth is these guys doin there ? It's part of animal abusing d...although the kitten is still alive ! Aww man...damn it...if i know one of them for sure i'll take action on it especially coz i'ma animal lover !

SlayerOfMuffins

10-25-2005, 05:46 PM

Actually I have no idea what the point of this entire thread is considering there isnt MUCH info but from the above post, and IM just going off that, if its about sticking dead animals in jars to preserve them, I dont see anything wrong with that. If its sticking LIVE animals or whatever nvm, Im just gonna shut up and wait till theres more info.
They stick live kittens in jars to make them have some shape that people like. Sometimes they're left in the jars and used as ornaments in living rooms. It's needlessly cruel.

DragonLink

10-25-2005, 08:20 PM

They stick live kittens in jars to make them have some shape that people like. Sometimes they're left in the jars and used as ornaments in living rooms. It's needlessly cruel.

Yep thats wrong

People do strange things for odd reasons. I have no real explanation cept to say, this is one ****ed up world

Ethereal Blade

10-27-2005, 10:41 PM

poor kittens... I can't imagine anyone wanting to hurt animals unless they were seriously ****ed up. Even when one of my cats threw up on the carpet or crapped in the house, I can't even bring myself to yell at them because they're so cute!
Shame theres so much wrong in this world and so little people fixing it... one day, I'm definately going to do something active to try and prevent animal abusing. It's probably impossible to stop it all though...

NittlerGrasper

10-27-2005, 11:05 PM

The Humane Society of the United States did an investigation on this guy, and deemed it to be a hoax.

It made be a hoax,but it's still twisted!!!!What a sicko!!!!Even if it's not true,the guy did come up with such a atrocious idea!!!!!!!!!!
I can't tolerate cruelty towards animals,all living being for that matter!