Strongest people of bleach!

[sham16]

Since there was a post looking for the weakest Captains and vice captains. It would be just fair to ask you all who do you think is the strongest captain or vice captain? (Not including Yama-ji pls):redbiggri

[Lust]

hmmm byakuya and vice....i had no idea

[sxian]

Yachiru for the Vice Capt.... XD

For the Capt. It is pretty much hard to tell who will win, Im not yet familliar with their powers maybe soon I can answer thaat...

[sham16]

Yeah yachiro rocks! Those inocent looks those eyes that hair! ehehe

But maybe for me Captain is Shunsui he was the one who would stand up to Yama-ji both him and Ukitake only. Plus the fact that he was praised by
Yama-ji himself.

For Vice-Captain ill go with Renji he is the only Vice captain to have achieved Bankai as of yet.

[ginjixx]

i also think for the vc its yachiru because looks can be decieving, hehehehe and for the captain except for the leader i think its onohana because even aizen didnot touch her or hurt her during their encounter

[skyoon]

strongest of the current captains? thats actually a pretty tough question lol....i never thought about it. I'd have to say Kyoraku is a hair above Ukitake, who has a bit of a lead over Zaraki.

[Kimochi]

the 1st squad captain!!

[sham16]

Ei Yama-ji is not included as i said earlier ^_^.... Everyone knows hes the strongest how about the other remaining captains (Because we cant call Aizen a captain anymore) lol.

[Kimochi]

lol sorry sorry.
should be byakuya and hitsu.. i think..

[Undying]

One liners... spam... and no reasons for your choices whatsoever.

Strongest Vice captain - Renji, as he is the only one with bankai.

Strongest Captain - Yamamoto Genryusai Shigekuni... duh...

[Flofloflo]

You could say that Zanpakutoh's are a different person than the captains, making the Zanpakutoh not counting in seeing who's the best... In that case I suppose Zaraki pwns since he doesn't need a Zanpakutoh to win:D

I really wonder about the powers of Zaraki's 'daughter' (I suppose you could call her his daughter, right?:P) Hmms... About Vice Captain... I suppose Matsmuto stands a chance? Or am I beiing really noobie? I saw all episodes, but I don't know THAT much about Bleach:P

[HollowZangetsu]

Although Yamamoto did nothing to stop Aizen, he is still the strongest in bleach at least that's wat i think, Aizen is prolly the second strongest. As for the order of the rest it's hard to choose cuz although byakuya said ichigo won their fight Byakuya managed to still use Shunpo whereas Ichigo had to hold on to his zanpakutou just to stand so the victor really should have been Byakuya so I just can't decide between those two.

[blackfox]

stongest vc- has to be renji as he can achieve bankai

strongest captain- byakuya or zaraki because byakuya has strong kidou and senbonzakura. also zaraki just has pure strength right now and overpowers people with his reiatsu.

[Undying]

@blackfox: Yamamoto nearly killed a VC with just a stare... when he wasn't trying. Ichigo should have been at about the same level when he met with Zaraki and he wasn't falling down...

[skyoon]

Undying: OP said he didnt want yamamoto included in the competitions, as he's obviously the strongest

[Undying]

=\ My bad, sorry. I guess I didn't pay attentiont ot the first post.

Ok, without Yamamoto, the competition is tough.

Can we include defective/renegade captains? (Urahara/Aizen).

Without them, I think it should be either Ukitake or Shunsui, remember that Yamamoto stated that they have "the most power anyone ever had, in the old geenrations or new".

[skyoon]

Yeah I agree with you, I'd have to give Shunsui the edge though for the ever so cliched reason of Ukitake's sickness :o

The renegade captians are too rigged imo (lol), so I dont think we should include them :D

edit/also, sorry I didnt include my reasons for my choices before, I didnt realize I had too :(

[EndlessSky]

Also aren't they the only ones in Soul Society or something that Zanpakatos are a pair?

[Rmage]

I'd have to go with Ukitake, despite his health. As one Yamamamoto's first students, he has the most experience, besides Kyouraku. Ukitake, however, seems more strategic and "wise."

For vice-captain, I think Isane's got a lot hidden. First of all, she doesn't carry around her zanpaku-to (at least I don't think she does). So what's up with that? The other vice-captains have a lot of character flaws too that could be detrimental.

[Axdsilva]

Ukitake & Kyoraku (sp)
Oldest therfore strongest, I mean Yamajii - old as hell & just as strong.

Vc, uhh. Renji, Matsumoto then Yachiru. or something like that, I dunno, I wanna see Yachiru's zanpaktou, I wonder if she knows shikai.

[sham16]

Its cool to see people voting for someone else insted of the usual Byakuya and Kenpatchi.. Why isnt it like this in other threads... I mean most of the people say Byakuya or kenpatchi.

But for me I think Ukitake can take on Shinsui if he is in good health which happens in around 1 over 10 times but I think when he does and goes all out he can be deadly. As Yama-ji said he is indeed one of his first and best student.

[HollowZangetsu]

oh ok. For the remaining captains and vice captains i'd have to say that it goes Byakuya, Ukitake, I can't remember his name right now but the guy with the straw hat and flower cape, then zaraki or soi fon, the guy who always wants to be pretty i think is much stronger than a lot of ppl but we've only heard one thing about his zanpakutou that it absorbs others powers or spiritual power draining the opponent of theirs. I don't remember I'm gonna go watch it again yaaaeeehhh. Renji of course has his Bankai so he's up there too.

[sham16]

oh ok. For the remaining captains and vice captains i'd have to say that it goes Byakuya, Ukitake, I can't remember his name right now but the guy with the straw hat and flower cape, then zaraki or soi fon, the guy who always wants to be pretty i think is much stronger than a lot of ppl but we've only heard one thing about his zanpakutou that it absorbs others powers or spiritual power draining the opponent of theirs. I don't remember I'm gonna go watch it again yaaaeeehhh. Renji of course has his Bankai so he's up there too.

I think his name was Shinsui. For me I only saw very little manga and all the anime series so I cant really speculate on his powers that much. But all i can say is that he and Ukitake were the only persons that Yama-ji took seriously. I think that would count for something right? I mean if yama-ji would count Ichigo or Kenpatchi(since he was helping ichigo) a lot of threat at that time he would have stopped them also. So to me Shinsui is the best captain so far and maybe Ukitake would be at par or even better if he is in good health... Or so I think.

[HollowZangetsu]

I get what you mean. It is true though that the anime and manga aren't far enough to speculate on all the captains abilities as even much farther in the anime it seems that the vice captains powers are the ones being revealed, and in the 10th squads case even the 3rd and 4th seat

[sham16]

I get what you mean. It is true though that the anime and manga aren't far enough to speculate on all the captains abilities as even much farther in the anime it seems that the vice captains powers are the ones being revealed, and in the 10th squads case even the 3rd and 4th seat

Did you mean the 11th squad? The squad where Ikkaku and that guy that always wants beatiful this and beatiful that. 10th squad goes to my idol Hitsugaya.. As far as powers being revealed both Shinsui and Ukitake revealed their Shikai's to Yama-ji and Yama-ji knows their names and was putting both zanpakuto's in high regard.

[HollowZangetsu]

Did you mean the 11th squad? The squad where Ikkaku and that guy that always wants beatiful this and beatiful that. 10th squad goes to my idol Hitsugaya.. As far as powers being revealed both Shinsui and Ukitake revealed their Shikai's to Yama-ji and Yama-ji knows their names and was putting both zanpakuto's in high regard.

Oops!!! Yeah that's what I meant I always say 10th and I don't know why.

[sham16]

Maybe their the coolest squad?? lmao anyhow i dont get it.... Why in other threads they say that Byakuya or Kenpatchi is the best but here they say the playboy Shunsui or the sickly Ukitake is the strongest.... Is this really true that this two are the strongest but why is it that Yama-ji is depending on Byakuya that much. I seem to remember an episode in which Yama-ji talked to Byakuya about something, that he must defend or do something. I really cant imagine. I mean If what we think is true would'nt Yama-ji give the assignment to Shinsui insted ( I chose Shinsui because Ukitake is always sick)?

[ginjixx]

the ones that saying byakuya or kenpachi the strongest are the one's who did not watch or even pay attention in watching bleach, they just pay attention in the fight. harharhar

[sham16]

Dont go on sayong that. You might not know that they have a hidden power of soime sort... we might not know it yet.

[Kimochi]

One liners... spam... and no reasons for your choices whatsoever.

Strongest Vice captain - Renji, as he is the only one with bankai.

Strongest Captain - Yamamoto Genryusai Shigekuni... duh...

omg im sorry im sorry im sorry..
fer me byakuya is strong cuz when he fought with ichigo huu is way stronger and both didnt win nor loose... so i should say byakuya..

[h0f5]

reiatsu wise probably yamatomo. When it comes to actual combat, id say that soi fong and mayuri are both pretty good given their shikai/bankai abilities.

[sham16]

People pls.. Yama-gi also known as Yamamoto is not allowed.. weeeee.. Anyhow.. Do you knwo the Bankai of Soi Fong already? I know the shikai but Bankai I dont maybe you saw it in manga?

[lovehouse.MOON]

Probably not your average choices. :]

-Yumichika Ayasegawa's power leeching ability.
-Mayuri Kurotsuchi's paralysis and poison released by his bankai.
-Kira Izuru's zanpakuto's ability of doubling the weight of anything hit.

If all goes right with those attacks, I don't think it's possible for them to be defeated.

Edit: also Soi Fon's 2 hit kill ability.
Not much of a guarantee as the others but its still up there.

[lovehouse.MOON]

Dont go on sayong that. You might not know that they have a hidden power of soime sort... we might not know it yet.

Kenpachi definently hides his power.
Remember a few episodes before the bound were defeated he fought Ichinose.
Ichinose used his bankai trapping him in the light and surely thought he would be killed.
Kenpachi simply removed his eyepatch and dispersed his bankai with hidden reiatsu. :o
Not to mention lived up to being a badass and broke Ichinose's zanpakuto in half.
<.<

[L'Arc Enzeru]

I think Aizen cuz'... well you all know why, but Zaraki is i think strong too cuz' he almost beat Ichigo although he didn't release his zanpakutou.

[zaffy04]

the strongest person bleach would be zaraki or for the bad guys it would have to be aizen

[Lust]

one word...ichigo
why? coz he is the main char without him there is no bleach!!!!

[Kenpachi69]

lol kay u got a point ichi definatly is the strongest but my 2nd would have to b zaraki i like his attitude and some seriously powerful reiatsu to back it up with ^_^

[ultimate]

one word...ichigo
why? coz he is the main char without him there is no bleach!!!! Of course he is the strongest, maybe not now but later, hes gotta kick Aizen's ass lol Out of the captains of the Gotei 13, I think Yamamoto or Aizen is the strongest, Yamamoto was able to take on 2 experienced captains easily and Aizen's Shikai allowed him to trick everybody in the Gotei 13 and he stopped Ichigo's Bankai with 1 finger... Zaraki is also seriously strong, he doesn't even have a Shikai or Bankai

[Kenpachi69]

true but has any1 actually seen zarakis bankai yet i think there savin that that would b a sheer annihalation

[Lust]

hmmm zaraki.......eventhough wif high reitsu but.....he dun noe his sword name pity isnt it.....and i dun think he will uncover the sword name coz......he will be too strong and no villain cando "villain" stuff lol

[Lirion]

Since we can't include Yama I say Shunsui and Ukitake are the strongest. And vice captains... hmm... I have another one on my mind but for now Renji.

[lovehouse.MOON]

one word...ichigo
why? coz he is the main char without him there is no bleach!!!!

Not true.
You know how many times he has had his ass saved by random shinigami jumping in the battle to keep the series going with Ichigo in it. >.>

[HollowZangetsu]

Kenpachi definently hides his power.
Remember a few episodes before the bound were defeated he fought Ichinose.
Ichinose used his bankai trapping him in the light and surely thought he would be killed.
Kenpachi simply removed his eyepatch and dispersed his bankai with hidden reiatsu. :o
Not to mention lived up to being a badass and broke Ichinose's zanpakuto in half.
<.<

Filler eps don't count in the actual storyline of the bleach anime and/or manga please do not refer to those things in a thread not addressed for the filler eps. If we based our knowledge off of the fillers than everybody would think that Ichigos strength almost doubled in the time that he fought the bounto because Kariya was taking both Ichigo and Byakuya on at the same time before he got Hougoku (prolly wrong spelling) yet after he got Hougoku Ichigo defeated him all by himself. Please if you wish to discuss further than private message me or go to another area addressed for the filler eps.

[sham16]

one word...ichigo
why? coz he is the main char without him there is no bleach!!!!


Hmm you got a point there. since he is the main character and all. But as of late he isnt that strong yet except when that whole hollow ichigo comes out. :sad Anyhow. People are still posting Yamamoto or Yama-ji and as well as Aizen. Pls. let us keep it within the range of the current Captains.

I.e.

Soi fong of the 2nd Div
Onohana of the 4th Div
Byakuya of the 6th Div
Shinsui of the 7th Div
Komomura of the 8th Div
Hitsugaya of the 10th Div
Kenpatchi of the 11th Div
Mayuri of the 12th Div.
Ukitake of the 13th Div.

( If i am wrong about their divisions please correct me)

Anyhow 1st div Yama-ji and the others of the 3rd 5th and 9th div. are not also going to be included because they are not captains anymore.

[ginjixx]

it is shunshui if if it is the strongest that count.... yamaji ones mentioned that ukitake and shunshui were he first to become captains and they are his students..... but ukitake have an illness so it depends upon his condition thats why i choose shunsui

[Decado]

strongest Captain excluding Yama..

Shunsui. In better shape than Ukitake, and was quoted by Yama as having one of the greatest powers/strongest. Two blades are always better than one anyway (not that it'll matter when ->shikai --> bankai)

VC... I'm goin to have to go wid Renji cos of his bankai... bit cheap tho..

[ginjixx]

strongest Captain excluding Yama..

Shunsui. In better shape than Ukitake, and was quoted by Yama as having one of the greatest powers/strongest. Two blades are always better than one anyway (not that it'll matter when ->shikai --> bankai)

VC... I'm goin to have to go wid Renji cos of his bankai... bit cheap tho..


weeeee 2 blades are better that in is just like two heads are better than 1 waaa hehehehe... what the heck.... i guess renji needs a thorough practice because his bankai needs a great amount of reiatsu

[Guy]

Excluding Aizen and Yamamoto... Shunsui or Ukitake. One of them. I don't think Ukitake's weakness will drag him down by much.

[sham16]

Seeing all the results..... Why do you think Yama-ji always rely on Byakuya to do most of the work? I forgot which episode it was but I remembered Yama-ji talking to Byakuya about some mission that he was supposed to take care of it. Sorry forgot which episode it was. Anyhow, if Yama-ji was all very concerned about it why did'nt he give the assignment to Ukitake or Shinsui. Dont get me wrong my votes were also Shinsui and Ukitake and as for my
v-captain i choose Renji.

Ps. Decado you have a very good point 2 swords is indeed better than one >.< ahahhaha

[ginjixx]

Seeing all the results..... Why do you think Yama-ji always rely on Byakuya to do most of the work? I forgot which episode it was but I remembered Yama-ji talking to Byakuya about some mission that he was supposed to take care of it. Sorry forgot which episode it was. Anyhow, if Yama-ji was all very concerned about it why did'nt he give the assignment to Ukitake or Shinsui. Dont get me wrong my votes were also Shinsui and Ukitake and as for my
v-captain i choose Renji.
Ps. Decado you have a very good point 2 swords is indeed better than one >.< ahahhaha

ow your talking about the bounto eps... yamaji rely on byakuya because that kuchiki family were the one's keeping the written history of the SS..

[sham16]

Aw ok, so the bouto eps again. I hate fillers makes you confused especially when the 3 mod sould still present in the main story. But hey... ive been thinking... would'nt Mayuri just pawn Shinsui of his Bankai? I mean think about it. He would just use his Bankai and jsut run around. Remember that he has a body rejuvinating potion or whatever it sname was. so slashing him and hacking him would not do much... So Mayuri would just run and run until the poison takes effect.. What do you guys think?

[Bleachfan12]

with the exception of Aizen i'd say hollow ichigo since hollow ichigo claims that ichigo is so weak

seeing as ichigo is naerly on pair with like all the capatins hollow ichigo would kick ass at lest in Bankai

[ginjixx]

with the exception of Aizen i'd say hollow ichigo since hollow ichigo claims that ichigo is so weak
seeing as ichigo is naerly on pair with like all the capatins hollow ichigo would kick ass at lest in Bankai


did'nt you read??? itas all about the captains and vice captains that are only qualified... plzzz read the filler carefully.....:headbang

[dragado123]

Ok well for captain i would have to say Aizen but because he isn't really a captain anymore but instead a traitor so yeah, he's not included. Next would be Yama-jii but you said he isn't included. So in the end it's either Shunsui or Ukitake because remember they were actually one of the very first shinigami captains. But because Ukitake is ill Shunsui will probably be the Strongest current captain.

For vice captains ............... this guy isn't really a vice captain but is actually in the third seat because he wants to be .................. and he is Ikkaku because a little bit after Aizen and the other left Renji himself asked him to be vice captain. I mean out of every1 beneath captain, Ikkaku is the only one that has a lot of experience with bankai so yea. (Renji is the only person that knows this by the way) but because Ikkaku isn't a Vice i would say Renji :) So yea those are the strongest Vice/Captains.

[Guy]

Renji is probably the strongest vice captain, but Ikkaku and Kira are close seconds... Ikkaku, cuz of... well, I don't wanna spoil, but manga readers know why, and Kira cuz of Wabisuke.

[sham16]

Renji is probably the strongest vice captain, but Ikkaku and Kira are close seconds... Ikkaku, cuz of... well, I don't wanna spoil, but manga readers know why, and Kira cuz of Wabisuke.

Yeah i get what you mean guy... eheheh Ikkaku rocks... But as for now ill still go with Renji ehehehe...

[Lust]

i thin it will be aizen/ichigo/yamato

[Anubisrage]

Strongest Captain is Zaraki Kenpachi,
Strongest Vice Captain is Ikkaku, his Bankai is way stronger than Renji...

[jonat3]

Strongest captain without relying on his zanpakutou is Zaraki. However, that doesn't make him the strongest captain. If all the captains fought unreleased (except Yama), i think zaraki would indeed be the strongest.

[Guy]

Strongest Captain is Zaraki Kenpachi,
Strongest Vice Captain is Ikkaku, his Bankai is way stronger than Renji...

Zaraki, the strongest captain? What in the world...? How is Zaraki the strongest captain? He doesn't know his zanpakuto's name! In addition, he is only as strong as shikai Ichigo...

Btw, shouldn't Ikkaku belong in the spoiler?

[Lust]

i agree with guy...zaraki is not the strongest bleach character....for me i option for aizen

[zaffy04]

i also agree that zaraki may seem strong but the strongest is aizen

[sham16]

Omg Zaraki.... Now i didn't see that coming... ehehehe... Reitsu wise Zaraki would be you man but if it would be based on fighting style Shinsui/Ukitake will be for the captains. But since you guys like to include the other people of bleach... Plus the fact that my thread title is all wrong ok.... Aizen would probably be the strongest as of now... ehehe ... Maybe stronger than
Yama-ji himself dont really now...

[ginjixx]

how could aizen be included in fact that he is not a captain anymore... waaa i think we should limit it in what is the first post....

[Lust]

well to bad then didnt limit ex captain;) well yamato is storng too;)

[pero_renji!]

For me the coolest captain is definately Ichimaru, but he doesnt count, so id have to go with Kurotsuchi Mayuri, hes just mad, maybe not intelligent but i think he knows the most facts in bleach, + his ability to turn himself into liquid whenever he is hurt, his giant poison bankai, hes just cool :D.

[sham16]

Thats a good point pero_renji how can anyone defeat that freak when he could just turn itno water and run away or even just use his rejuvinating potion or something I forgot the name... Plus his poison can't kill you initially but hey it will take its toll..

[ginjixx]

then they should kill mayuri before he could turn into that stupid liquid again... you can say that mayuri is strong but you forgot his weakness, underestimating his opponents...

[Guy]

If Mayuri was so strong, then why couldn't he stop Aizen? His liquid form allows him to LIVE, but it does NOT make him stronger. He said so himself, he needs days of recovery in his liquid form. Kyouraku and Ukitake are the strongest. Yamamoto said so.

[sham16]

Yes he did not do anything to stop aizen... But do you think that it would be fair to say that he is weak because he just turns to liquid everytime he will lose... But hey the poison will take it toll on you as time may go on... If you have the antidote then cool... but if not good bye... I dont think that your reitsu can save you with poison... or can it... try to correct me on this one im not really 100% sure on this.

[Guy]

OK, Aizen will DESTROY Mayuri before Mayuri could even say "bankai". Mayuri is too slow, and I don't recall him ever using shunpo.

[sham16]

Hmm thats a good point.. But seeing as what Aizen thinks of his enemies and seeing as though Mayuri knows a lot of statistics and data amongst his enemies... He would have a good chance of using Bankai at the start of the match... Coz he knows Aizen is stronger so, why not use Bankai right of the bat and get clubbered and then go to liquid form... after a few days seeing his enemy in a grave.... But of course.. what we were talking before, i mean the original post is that we are not to include Aizen, yamamato, tousen, and Ichimaru..

[Guy]

Oh, yeah, my bad. Lol, at any rate, I'd still say Kyouraku and Ukitake are the strongest, simply because Yamamoto said so.

[tenebrusmke79]

Non-captain/Vice-Captain would be a dead heat between Ikkaku (he has a bankai),and Ichigo which Ichigo would be tops

For Vice-Captain, I would say Renji.

And for Captain with total brute strength, Kenpachi, but with overall strength and skill aside from Yama-jii, I would go with Kyouraku.

Strongest Captain is Zaraki Kenpachi,
Strongest Vice Captain is Ikkaku, his Bankai is way stronger than Renji...

I want to make a point on Ikkaku, he's not a Vice-Captain, he's 3rd seat of 11th Division. Yachiru is V-C. She's 100 times stronger than Ikkaku, even if we've not seen her shikai or bankai releases.

[nouscomd]

I want to say Aizen but we cant call him as a captain.. ı think Kisuke Byakuya is the strongest..

[Guy]

Kisuke Byakuya? Lol, who's that? You mean Urahara and Byakuya? Yeah, they're both pretty strong. But Yamamoto said so himself, Ukitake and Shunsui are the strongest. But I would think Byakuya's the fourth strongest shinigami captain in the current gotei.

[ginjixx]

hmmmm... maybe byakuya is one of the strongest... maybe its because of the discipline in his self..... and the determination to beat the enemy....

[sham16]

Fourth why did you say that guy... Why do you think that byakuya will be fourth? Hmm let me guess.. Your third captain might be..... Soi Fong? If so hmmm really would disagree... ^_^

[nouscomd]

Kisuke Byakuya? Lol, who's that? You mean Urahara and Byakuya? Yeah, they're both pretty strong. But Yamamoto said so himself, Ukitake and Shunsui are the strongest. But I would think Byakuya's the fourth strongest shinigami captain in the current gotei.

oh it is my fault.. I have to write Kuchiki Byakuya not Kusike :redbiggri

[DireCry]

Definatley the Vaizard. If their anything like when Ichigo went hollow on Byakuya when they were fighting, then they're the strongest imo.

[Tensa Zangetsu]

how do you do spoilers?

[DireCry]

how do you do spoilers?

[ spoiler=whatever you want ] blalbal [ /spoiler ]

True

[Tensa Zangetsu]

well inoue can change fate, its not healing powers its her deciding and changing fate. therfore she has the potential to be invincible if she could learn how to use her power, so i think she should be classed as strongest

[Guy]

Fourth why did you say that guy... Why do you think that byakuya will be fourth? Hmm let me guess.. Your third captain might be..... Soi Fong? If so hmmm really would disagree... ^_^

First strongest: Yamamoto (duh)
Second strongest: Shunsui
Third strongest: Ukitake
Fourth strongest: Byakuya

I don't think Soi Fong is that strong, considering Yoruichi owned her without a zanpakutou.

[ginjixx]

well inoue can change fate, its not healing powers its her deciding and changing fate. therfore she has the potential to be invincible if she could learn how to use her power, so i think she should be classed as strongest


i think it doesn't count... in the first place inoue is not a captain or a vice captain in soul society..... and inoue is just a stick compairing to the powers of a captian .... how come you say that she belong to the strongest....

[Nubaa]

Ururu is the strongest, clearly.

[sham16]

First strongest: Yamamoto (duh)
Second strongest: Shunsui
Third strongest: Ukitake
Fourth strongest: Byakuya
I don't think Soi Fong is that strong, considering Yoruichi owned her without a zanpakutou.

Lol ahhahaha sorry forgot about him ahahahha......

Ururu!!!???? do you mean Uruhara? or even just Unuhana.... Ururu is the mod soul created by Uruhara!

[Geosuke]

ururu is the girl who's always bullied by jinta.

[sham16]

yes she is one of Uruhara's mod soul... I surely dont think that u mean her.

[Lust]

hmm ichigo is teh strongest:D

[.Socio]

From what we have seen, yes Ichigo is the strongest, but we still don't know what Yoruichi, Kisuke, any of the vizard e.t.c are capable of. But you are probably right, Ichigo is a legend

[Guy]

It's been mentioned many times that this is limited only to the shinigami in the gotei 13. If it includes everyone, then Aizen will surely be the victor.

[tenebrusmke79]

yes she is one of Uruhara's mod soul... I surely dont think that u mean her.

Has this been stated in the manga/anime as fact? I do have a sense that she's powerful, but a mod-soul? I don't know.. seems dubious to me.

[Geosuke]

yes she is one of Uruhara's mod soul... I surely dont think that u mean her.

if this is stated in the Manga and not yet in the anime, this is a spoiler. i dont know(i dont read manga)

careful.

[sham16]

I dont think that this was stated in the manga though.. I just assumed she was...

[tenebrusmke79]

I dont think that this was stated in the manga though.. I just assumed she was...
I truly suggest that you don't assume anything, if you say something like that, please make sure that you do a bit of research or provide a link that will point to a place that says what you want to reveal.

[Emperor Knives]

Well if we count the treacherous Captains then I can say that Aizen is the strongest Bleach character not counting Yama. Aizen destroyed Hitsugaya in Bankai form in one hit. He blocked Tensa Zangetsu with just a finger. He hasn't even used much of his spirit force. And Aizen said so himself that he has mastered basically everything a Death God can master.

[sham16]

I truly suggest that you don't assume anything, if you say something like that, please make sure that you do a bit of research or provide a link that will point to a place that says what you want to reveal.

Actually i am not guessing here at random... Some points in bleach does not really have explaination so yeah its still a assumption.. But I have a reason why i assumed it that way....

Where in the world can you find a little girl who is capable of carrying a big gun like that and would eb able to knock the begipers out of you?? Next to this you would be saying... oh they are souls from soul society.. well this maybe accepted as a theory that they are souls that was put in a gaiga... (Since people can see the both of em...) But I think it would fall more on the part of mod souls since Uruhara is always making mod souls... So if you have a better theory on what they are please do tell me... I am open...

[themicahman]

Captain= byakuya or ukitake

Vice= Abarai Renji(best character in any anime ever lol):Domo :Domo:Domo

[tenebrusmke79]

Actually i am not guessing here at random... Some points in bleach does not really have explaination so yeah its still a assumption.. But I have a reason why i assumed it that way....

Where in the world can you find a little girl who is capable of carrying a big gun like that and would eb able to knock the begipers out of you?? Next to this you would be saying... oh they are souls from soul society.. well this maybe accepted as a theory that they are souls that was put in a gaiga... (Since people can see the both of em...) But I think it would fall more on the part of mod souls since Uruhara is always making mod souls... So if you have a better theory on what they are please do tell me... I am open...

How do you know that it's heavy? It could be the same weight as a Glock 9mm. So, there's still no proof that Ururu is a mod-soul.

I don't think there's any need to say anything, she's probably just someone he's trained, like he's trained Ichigo.

[Geosuke]

anyone close to urahara seems to have special abilities. mod soul or not. but the fact is if ururu was a mod soul (which is i don't think so as of now), then so would be jinta and maybe tessai. i don't know, its hard to assume things.

[sham16]

How do you know that it's heavy? It could be the same weight as a Glock 9mm. So, there's still no proof that Ururu is a mod-soul.

I don't think there's any need to say anything, she's probably just someone he's trained, like he's trained Ichigo.

Hmmm are you saying that she is not strong.. Try to remember that she can beat the hell out of you if given the chance... Try to watch the anime as well red the manga and you will see why i say she is way stronger than any little girl or even the strongest man on earth... so I really think that saying that she is carrying a gun that is as big as her (that you said was weighing lick a glock gun whatever.... so yeah that could be since Uruhara is a genious and alll...) But try to think do you think of other stuff that she has done.. Just dont go flaring around my friend think before you act..

Ps I am not confirming that she is a mod soul... If you might miss understand me again.... and I really think you will... Anyhow I am saying this as a defence to what you have said that I am just blabbig without any proof... So there if you got a better answer to what i answered you earlier please do say it...

[Kweck86]

Aizen would be the strongest bye a fair amount if he have hollow powers now :rolleye09

[h0f5]

he is already the strongest by a fair amount

Everything about ururu being a mod soul and stuff can be considered a spoiler but will be revealed in the next few episodes, probably 117 or 118. Just wait.

Strongest in gotei is definitely yamatomo. After that based on killing ability mayuri and soi fong. Urahara and yoruichi are probably pretty strong too.

[Lust]

well enventually ichigo will be the strongest of all

[sham16]

Aw i really have to change the title of this thread... Again people lets not consider Yamamoto and the rogue captains I.e. Aizen, Ichimaro and tausen... Hehehhe...

PS. is there a way to change the title of a thread?

[.System]

Zaraki Kenpachi

Because he has the brute strength and the "Will", i believe the will is most important of all because without it even if you are the strongest of all you will be a poor fighter.

[ginjixx]

well i supposed you will not be strong if you dont have the will to be strong.... so in the very beginning all of the strong people of bleach have the will..... even if you have a brute force, if you dont use it wisely you will lost.... i think being wise is the most strongest...

[sham16]

You are indeed correct having a strong will will help you win but, dont you think others dont have it??? I think they have the same will for fighting, survival and as well as protecting the ones they love... So yeah Zaraki would have a very big will to fight and fight until he is satisfied (which might never happen) but still willl musst come skill without that I am really sorry but you cannot win...

[Guy]

Will is a powerful weapon, but will alone is not enough. I'm sure people like Ukitake and Kyouraku have wills, too. Intelligence is the most important factor, then comes strength.

[Emperor Knives]

I think intelligence and strength both come in as equal needs in a battle. And intelligence is what Zaraki Kenpachi lacks. What I've noticed in most of his fights is that he doesn't have a definite strategy. He depends too much on his brute force. He is indeed very powerful but it takes more than sheer power alone to win the toughest battles.

[ginjixx]

yep... they are indeed the key to win.... if you have a strength plus a will and a intel i think you are formidable... plus being wise is one of the attitude of a strong person.... for example ukitake and shunsui... they they use their head wisely....

[don911]

For the captains i have 2 say that byakuya is the strongest. Hes the only 1 who would have beeten Keriya Jin if Ichigo hadnt interrupted

[Lust]

nah,byakuya is the 5th strongest captain while the strongest one is yamato;)

[II Xion II]

I will refer only to the characters in the anime for the moment.

1.) Aizen
2.) Ulquiorra
3.) Yamamoto
4.) Gin
5.) Grimmjow

*Cannot include Isshin, Urahara, etc. b/c there is far too much speculation and not enough action with them.

[Guy]

Hey, what about Tousen? And technically, there hasn't been much proof that Gin is one of the strongest... is there?

[ginjixx]

For the captains i have 2 say that byakuya is the strongest. Hes the only 1 who would have beeten Keriya Jin if Ichigo hadnt interrupted


are you sure that he can beat kariya???? even ichigo who beat byakuya have a hard time beating kariya..... what else for byakuya...

[Guy]

Kariya is a filler character. Nothing can be judged from him.

Btw, Byakuya never lost to Ichigo; he gave the victory to him. If you watch it again, Ichigo FALLS while Byakuya was still standing at the end of the battle.

[ginjixx]

hmmm.... if he gave the win to ichigo then we can consider that ichigo wins... its just in a logic manner.... and byakuya accepts his defeat from ichigo...

[sham16]

I think that the bounto arc was a really offlne so yeah as guy had said it should not be a basis of anything...

Originally I made this thread for the captains and vice captains of sereitei only... But due to public demand maybe its ok to allow other char since most people use them....

@Xion.. hmmm u consider Aizen and Ulquiorra stronger than Yamamoto ei... Well to each his own... (but Aizen did fool Yamamoto though) Also dont forget that soul societies 2 best captain namely ukitake and shinsui (I named them as best captains since as for me they are the best and yamamoto did say so) said that they are no match for Yamamoto and they could only slow him down... Plus a vice captain almost died just looking at Yamamoto......

[theblack_dragon]

Kariya is a filler character. Nothing can be judged from him.
Btw, Byakuya never lost to Ichigo; he gave the victory to him. If you watch it again, Ichigo FALLS while Byakuya was still standing at the end of the battle.


I cant believe you just said that Byakuya gave ichigo the match did u not see the damage on him after the match and remember when Aizen showed his face and his plan ichigo in his weakend not defeated state stood up to a powerful fresh Aizen

Yea and i agree Yamamoto should be stronger than them he is the leader of the captains and those episodes showed how fierce his spiritual powers were so i would have him at the top over Aizen
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/382/vaizard8rt.jpg

[Guy]

I cant believe you just said that Byakuya gave ichigo the match did u not see the damage on him after the match and remember when Aizen showed his face and his plan ichigo in his weakend not defeated state stood up to a powerful fresh Aizen


First of all... I have no idea what you're saying. Please use proper grammar and punctuation. Second of all, you did not read my post. Watch it again VERY carefully. Answer this: Who was standing at the end of the fight? Byakuya or Ichigo? Who fell to the ground? Byakuya or Ichigo? Honestly, I think Byakuya was an idiot at the end of the fight. Byakuya could've killed Ichigo right on the spot with kidou.

[Lust]

and its really weird he didnt did it,same goes for when he is fighting renji...he can end his life at that time easily

[Guy]

Yeah, maybe Byakuya is stronger than most people think... perhaps he is underrated? Lol, w/e.

I still think Ukitake and Kyouraku are stronger (just because Yama said so).

[Lust]

but they need to work together to pawn yamato so i think yamato is stronger =/

[Guy]

Lol, I never said Ukitake and Kyouraku are stronger than Yamamoto. I said Yamamoto said those two were the strongest, so I think those two are the strongest after Yama.

[Lust]

well i think so...after few yrs later XD and btw not strong but talented:)

[ginjixx]

but still without underrating byakuya.... its just that he really lost to ichigo.... its not in the situation that ichigo fell to the ground but byakuya really admits that he lost.... how can he use kidou when he already used up all his reiatsu.......

[Lust]

ginjix....seriously,who can stand up and have the energy to walk away while ichigo fell to the ground motionless watching byakuya walk away.... byakuya got the chance to use his zanpaktou to slash ichigo and end his life but he didnt

[sham16]

Im not intruding or anything, but, I seem to have remembered that byakuya broke his sword that day.... I really dont know maybe im wrong.....

[Guy]

He did break his sword, but he could've killed him with kidou. Byakuya still had the energy to "shunpo" away. Ichigo didn't. He was completely beat up. Byakuya admitted losing because his sentimentality got the better hold of him. Ichigo taunted him to break the rules, which sended back a painful memory of Hisana. It was sentimentality that caused Byakuya to admit defeat. However, if Byakuya wasn't so emotional underneath, Ichigo would have been dead.

[ginjixx]

hmmmm eventhough its sentimental or what so ever byakuya still loses to ichigo.... its just simple ichigo and byakuya fights, then byakuya loses to ichigo... even theres a rematch, byakuya would still be defeated...

[Lust]

well if we hey rematch after the fight...ichigo probably lose but at the current episode....ichigo will win

[h0f5]

byakuya technically could have won ichigo, but byakuya didnt give the match to ichigo. If ogichi had not appeared, ichigo would have lost, simple as that. If byakuya had fought seriously and had not underestimated ichigo, he would definitely have won. If he had use all his senkei swords, he would win. The only reason why he lost was because of ogichi.

However, i feel that at the end of the whole battle, byakuya WAS the loser.

[HollowZangetsu]

byakuya technically could have won ichigo, but byakuya didnt give the match to ichigo. If ogichi had not appeared, ichigo would have lost, simple as that. If byakuya had fought seriously and had not underestimated ichigo, he would definitely have won. If he had use all his senkei swords, he would win. The only reason why he lost was because of ogichi.

However, i feel that at the end of the whole battle, byakuya WAS the loser.

Even though you could be right, try and remember this too Ichigo was injured by Byakuyas bankai before he ever went Bankai, doesn't that put the match in Byakuyas favor right away and not to mention before ogichi came out byakuya said to ichigo the senbonzakura cause sever injuries which is why ichigo slowed down. I think that the match could have went either way if both of them started out at full power. Sorry for going off topic everyone.

[sham16]

Its ok this is a bit on the topic anyway

As for Byakuya vs Ichigo... the fight is at par I think... We could not really decide what is going to happen but I think it would be a very good fight though since only one will win... their fight before was a little off since byakuya was thinking of other things as well as Ichigo... Maybe it would be kewl to see them in their full potential...

[Guy]

Well, right now, Ichigo is stronger than Byakuya, because of his Hollow powers and his training in the manga. But at the time of the battle, Byakuya WAS stronger. Byakuya lost because he forfeited, but in terms of strength and endurance, Byakuya wins.

[ulquira]

strongest VC: have to go with Yachiru or Renji
strongest Captain: Yamamoto, but we all know that so second up sould have to be either Zaraki Kenpachi or Toshiro Hitsugaya (don't yell cause' I didn't put Byakyuya, he is very strong, but I just don't consider him one of THE strongest, he is strong, but I just think that Hitsugaya is stronger, I just have a hunch, and this does not include Aizen, because he is no longer a captain, so yeah, Byakyuya would be third...

[pero_renji!]

Non-captain/Vice-Captain would be a dead heat between Ikkaku (he has a bankai),and Ichigo which Ichigo would be tops

For Vice-Captain, I would say Renji.

And for Captain with total brute strength, Kenpachi, but with overall strength and skill aside from Yama-jii, I would go with Kyouraku.



I want to make a point on Ikkaku, he's not a Vice-Captain, he's 3rd seat of 11th Division. Yachiru is V-C. She's 100 times stronger than Ikkaku, even if we've not seen her shikai or bankai releases.

Yachiru is vc only cause she's the best friend of Kenpachi. She is no match for Ikkaku. If we were to give seats in the 11th according to pwoer it would be

1: Zaraki (or maybe even Ikkaku)
VC: Ikkaku
3rd: Yumichika
4th: Yachiru

IMO

[Guy]

strongest VC: have to go with Yachiru or Renji
strongest Captain: Yamamoto, but we all know that so second up sould have to be either Zaraki Kenpachi or Toshiro Hitsugaya (don't yell cause' I didn't put Byakyuya, he is very strong, but I just don't consider him one of THE strongest, he is strong, but I just think that Hitsugaya is stronger, I just have a hunch, and this does not include Aizen, because he is no longer a captain, so yeah, Byakyuya would be third...

You place Zaraki over Byakuya?? OMG.... Zaraki doesn't even know shikai. Maybe when Zaraki learns bankai, he would be the first... but for now, he isn't even anywhere near the first (albeit he may be one of the stronger captains)

[ginjixx]

strongest VC: have to go with Yachiru or Renji
strongest Captain: Yamamoto, but we all know that so second up sould have to be either Zaraki Kenpachi or Toshiro Hitsugaya (don't yell cause' I didn't put Byakyuya, he is very strong, but I just don't consider him one of THE strongest, he is strong, but I just think that Hitsugaya is stronger, I just have a hunch, and this does not include Aizen, because he is no longer a captain, so yeah, Byakyuya would be third...

how can hitsugaya be one of the strongest captain??? in my own opinion he is one of the weakest..... i said so coz... 1st. he still young, 2nd. he lack experience unlike zaraki or byakuya 3rd. his power has a limitation..... and last is he is so aggressive that he fights without even knowing what is his opponents capacity...

[Guy]

I think Hitsugaya has the potential to be the strongest, but for the moment, I think he is the weakest, at least out of all the captains so far...

Manga readers would definitely agree, and anime watchers will learn very soon as to why taht is...

[Lust]

well he is not the wekest IF he face a weaker opponent thatn him also,his limitation probably the reason why he is weak
the frozen flower thingy behind is his limitation,after that thing all gone he is dead meat

[ginjixx]

yup i agree to that... but for now if we compare him to other captains.... he seems to be under... his power is not inough to defeat one captain.... but when time comes... hitsugay will be one of the strongest because 1st he is already a captain level eventhough his so young.... second he got a strong bankai but it is still not perfect....

[sham16]

@guy... Omg Zaraki with a Bankai!!! lol sereitie will explode... And as for hitsu being that, is he is indeed not experienced enough... (Stated in the manga) and some more are there...

@ Kay what do you mean limitation... The limitation given by SS shinigamis when they go to the real world?

@Ginji hitsugaya is a kid prodigy as seen and said by the captains themselves... So there is a big room for improvement...

[Lust]

yeah sham,but he still no match with strong opponent like aizen,etc..

[sham16]

Cant argue with that... He cant pawn strong characters in his current level... But maybe given a few years he would mature and eliminate his "weak point" ^_^

[Guy]

Oh come on! Nobody is a match for Aizen! That is an unfair statement. If that were the case, everyone but Yamamoto would be strong... (and I still have doubts whether Yamamoto can win or not)

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

Seeing how Ichigo and Rukia were about to piss their pants from his presence alone, I'd say that Grimmjow is one of the strongest. There's also the fact that Ichigo couldn't even react to stop him from attacking Rukia. He's on par with Byakuya with shunpo so that really says something.

[ginjixx]

Oh come on! Nobody is a match for Aizen! That is an unfair statement. If that were the case, everyone but Yamamoto would be strong... (and I still have doubts whether Yamamoto can win or not)




how will the story of bleach end if nobody could beat aizen??? so what you are trying to say is that aizen is the main char that nobody could beat him??? waaaa

[Bankai_Kratos]

In terms of pure reiatsu ownage, zaraki all the way for captain. Otherwise Ukitake.

Vice-Captain would be either Renji or Yachiru, renji because of Bankai and Yachiru because our only glimpse of her power put her far ahead of most of the others.

[Guy]

how will the story of bleach end if nobody could beat aizen??? so what you are trying to say is that aizen is the main char that nobody could beat him??? waaaa

You never know. Kubo just might do that...

But back to the point. Ichigo will be the strongest when the time comes. As for now, definitely Aizen. If you think you can refute this, go ahead and try.

[Lust]

perhaps except the artist created someone more stronger than aizen but i do agree in times,ichigo will be the strongest

[Kimochi]

the strongest is when ogichi and ichigo combined !! that will be super !!

[sham16]

I dont think that having ogichi and ichigo combined will do a better job that ichigo going vaizard since he does not like ogichi that much... SO if ogichi + ichigo will only mean trouble since one will be controlling the other they would end up dead....

But as for Aizen.... I think Yami is still better... (since all of you are considering all the characters anyway... ill consider him) Yami is better than Aizen.. I think...

[Lust]

>_>
ulq is far more greater than him wheter compare to strenght,speed,inteligence,etc but yea...NOT famous char always weak...

[Guy]

But as for Aizen.... I think Yami is still better... (since all of you are considering all the characters anyway... ill consider him) Yami is better than Aizen.. I think...

Yami? The dude that got pwned by Yoruichi? The arrancar that Ichigo effortlessly cut the arm off of? How is he stronger than Aizen?

[Kimochi]

I dont think that having ogichi and ichigo combined will do a better job that ichigo going vaizard since he does not like ogichi that much... SO if ogichi + ichigo will only mean trouble since one will be controlling the other they would end up dead....
But as for Aizen.... I think Yami is still better... (since all of you are considering all the characters anyway... ill consider him) Yami is better than Aizen.. I think...

they will be strong . ogichi and ichigo is .

in the later part he will . as he will fight with his full mask after training with the vaizards .

[Lust]

yes,he is strong if ogihci take control the body since there cant be two ppl control the same body

[Christopher11]

Ogichi which I'm supposing knows fighting techniques better right?

Since they are both of the same entity...

Ichigo does is not an expert like his Hollow self.

But If they were to fuse similar to Vegeto with both of them at 100% + 100% to give 200% that would be perfect.

From what I've seen up until now (anime) Ogichi just pops up at random times and has about 76% of Ichigo's body to control, but when Ichigo forces himself back intact he always gets massacred... Can't there be an agreement between them or something.

[Jay3205]

Aizen would definitely have to be the strongest of the revealed characters so far. His reiatsu alone is enough to beat captain level arrancar. Even if Ichigo does control his hollow for a while, Aizen still has complete hypnosis which Ichigo doesn't have a counter for. On top of this, Aizen has a bankai which is undoubtedly somehow better than his shikai.

[Lust]

welll since ichigo is the main character...he will be the strongest enventually pssh...so predictable

[brokened]

mmmm is aizen just ridiculously strong or is it because of that hou..yo..eoriuaw389 ball thing that he took out of rukia?
sorry, i forget what the hell that thing even does, but if it breaks or is destroyed would he just be a little captain man again?

[Guy]

^No, read the manga and find out.

Aizen plans to use Orihime's "time reversing technique" to heal the hougyouku

[Yuffie]

Hmm .. Strongest ..

- Captain :: Ichimaru ? Soifon ?
- Vice Captain :: Yachiru
- Normal Shinigami (not captain , not vice-captain) :: Yumichika Ayasegawa
- Quincy :: NONE !! >< Ishida is useless =X
- Bount :: None also =____=||
- Arrancar :: Ilforte ? Grimmjow ? Ulquiorra ?

[Katen Kyoukotsu]

Excluding vaizards/espadas/Aizen and gang.

It terms of captain it would be Yama-jii, Ukitake, and Shunsui. Zaraki(with a shikai)

As for VC hmmmmmm well we know so little about them.......maybe renji or yachiru. Wouldnt be suprised if Komamoru's VC was pretty strong.

[sham16]

Yami? The dude that got pwned by Yoruichi? The arrancar that Ichigo effortlessly cut the arm off of? How is he stronger than Aizen?

Lol... Yami is what i call Yama-ji or Yamamoto... lol.... Sorry bout the confusion... Got tired of typing his entire name... Didnt imagine that anyone would mistake that name with the arrancar...

And as for the ichigo + ogichi combo....

I am saying that he would have a hard time if ogichi wants out (since he could only control him for a short peroid of time...) So if he breaks out of that control I think ichigo would have trouble.... But I think he could control it even more afterwards... Havent finish the whole manga yet....

[nevaziah]

i also think for the vc its yachiru because looks can be decieving, hehehehe and for the captain except for the leader i think its onohana because even aizen didnot touch her or hurt her during their encounter


I think this guy is onto something. I was REALLY surprised Aizen didnt pullsomething with her. I get the feeling she is so powerful, she decided not to be part of the "fighting" divisions. But then again, that's just my theory......

[Undying]

I can't believe that people think Yachiru the strongest VC... puh-leeze.

The strongest VC is Renji, most likely.

As for strongest in Bleach, that would be Aizen by virtue of being the main bad guy. Then when Ichi beats him then Ichigo is the strongest in Bleach.

[sham16]

I really still do believe that Yama-ji can beat Aizen... Who here thinks the same way?

[Guy]

^Nah, unfortunately, I don't think so. The way he commands the espada... he does it out of fear. That means espadas all fear him; if they don't, they would all attack Aizen at once and kill him. That's not the case, proving that Aizen is stronger than all the esapadas combined. Yamamoto can probably do that too, but probably not as good as Aizen can.

[sham16]

I think Yamamoto also commands sereitei with the same fear, but witht the addded respect of its members... That is why I said that they are pretty much even... and would really be a good fight... Ill try to make a pol on this on Bleach battles...

[Kyoko<3!]

Puh-lease. There's no way Yamaji can beat Aizen. Yamajii is a pansy. He's just like master roshi. =D He's just a dirty old man who rapes women by releasing his reiatsu thus making them immobile. *ahem* Nanao.

[tenebrusmke79]

Puh-lease. There's no way Yamaji can beat Aizen. Yamajii is a pansy. He's just like master roshi. =D He's just a dirty old man who rapes women by releasing his reiatsu thus making them immobile. *ahem* Nanao.


You're talking about Kyouraku, Nanao's captain, Kyouraku is the lecherous one, he's the one who's always flirting with all the ladies (it's in his personality and character).

Yama-jii, on the other hand, has the strongest (and oldest) fire-type zanpakutou of any shinigami, therefore, it's totally possible that Yama-jii is stronger than Aizen by leaps and bounds.

[koolspot]

I think the strongest captains (without counting yamamoto) are:

Urahara/Aizen if they don´t count i would say: Kenpachi/Byakuya

FOr the VC i say: Yachiru/Renji/Matsumoto but i like Kira´s sword. And i really think that Hinamori was very powerful.

P. S. Yamamoto´s VC is trash.

[tenebrusmke79]

P. S. Yamamoto´s VC is trash.

That's up for interpretation. I don't think Chojiro isn't worth his title/role. Besides, it seems that the 1st Division is there for administrative duties and like things. It doesn't really matter that he's "not strong" or whatever.

[sham16]

Dont count out the 1st dic VC that fast... After all he is the VC of the strongest man in Sereitei....

@Ecna... What are your basis for this?? you cant just say this and that whithout having any basis of what you are saying?? Never has Yama-ji gave any intent of raping nor even talkign about the subject.. Plus he didnt touch Nanao.. So give a valid reason why he can defeat Aizen?

[Guy]

It's just that Aizen has shown far more power than Yamamoto did. It's even more obvious if you read the manga. There is NO respect whatsoever in the hueco mundo hierarchy. Aizen rules purely out of fear. If Aizen can singlehandedly beat all the espadas plus Tousen and Gin, then Aizen is screwed if someone rebels. If Yamamoto is stronger, why doesn't he go to hueco mundo and beat Aizen? I think it's because he can't.

[sham16]

Maybe he's not going since he is not the agressor... You see people that wants something moves first and the one that moves after that usually have the upper hand since they would be able to counter it... Plus the additional bonus of fortification and homeground... Maybe he is just waiting for the right time.. Yamamoto could not just go to hueco mundo and destroy everything there himself nor could Aizen burst into Sereitei himself... So that is why a plan would have to be in motion..

In short we could not say that he is weaker since he wasn't the agressor...

[paige_]

One liners... spam... and no reasons for your choices whatsoever.

Strongest Vice captain - Renji, as he is the only one with bankai.

Strongest Captain - Yamamoto Genryusai Shigekuni... duh...

I think so too that Yamamoto is the stongest captain but with the vice-captain, mhm.. are you sure he's the only one with a bankai? maybe other vice-captains have bankai too but they haven't got the chance to use it.. hehe... i think i'll go for Yachiru, because looks can really be deceiving..

[Guy]

For vc, it's either Renji or Ikkaku, since they both have bankai. I'm leaning towards Renji though, since he is more familiar with his bankai.

[diamondedge]

Strongest captain would be Byakuya for me, because he just owns and his technique is one of the best and by the far most apppealing to me.

And Renji for strongest vice captain aswell. i mean, the guy is stubborn as an ox and has bankai.

[darlanth]

Izan for captain as of now and ikkaku VC

[.Kozmic]

Ulqiorra is strong

[tenebrusmke79]

For vc, it's either Renji or Ikkaku, since they both have bankai. I'm leaning towards Renji though, since he is more familiar with his bankai.

Ikkaku's not a vice-captain, he's only a 3rd seat.

[Guy]

Ooops, my bad. So I guess it's Renji then, although in terms of skills, even if Ikkaku isn't a vc, his skills surely surpass those of a vc.

[OniChan]

Ichigo.......:|

[tempest24]

i think rukia could be a well developed shinegami if she stop getting beat down so bad.... but right now i'm gonna say i think ZK is the strongest cuz all that raw reitsu power!!! he doesn't even need a shikai

[Undying]

LMAFO. Rukia, one of the strongest? My God, where has this forum got into...

[Jay3205]

Surely Zaraki isn't the strongest... he got beat by Ichigo, who was pwned by a non-serious Aizen and Grimmjaw.

I'd say Aizen is currently the strongest. He has enough reiatsu to smash down espada, and his shikai gives him a huge advantage in battle.

[tempest24]

i'm only saying it 'could' be rukia... but like i said... i'd go with ZK for now

[Undying]

It 'couldn't' be Rukia. She lacks: stamina. Reiatsu. Talent.

[tempest24]

sheesh... someone doesn't like rukia....

[Guy]

Undying hates Rukia, but at the same time, he denies it. *sighs* and no, Zaraki ain't the strongest. Ukitake and Shunsui are, because Yamamoto said so.

[zarakiscars86]

id have to say byakua...jus because ichigo beat him u think his quiet big talk is bigger then his actual power,did u forget that when byakua started his senbonzakuras true form he coudve killed ichigo right away but instead he wanted to kill him with "his own hands"

[tofu87]

urahara, he was a captain and his bankai is the strongest.because of the power he don´t use it anymore.tell me if im wrong

[Hollow_Man_ct]

Current existing: Kenpachi, too much untapped potential and he's already at the uber captain level.

Previous existing: Urahara, for his mysteriousness and
he fought head on with an espada and an arrancar without getting scratched once

[sham16]

Dont you think kenpatchi is too overrated for his own good... I mean he does not have a shikai and thus he was beaten by shikai ichigo, much more if ichi goes bankai... So for me unless kenpatchi achieves bankai (which is highly unlikely) he wouldn't be much of a threat...

[Guy]

Kenpachi is no way the strongest captain. He doesn't have shikai, let alone bankai. There's no "if he has bankai" arguement; that is nonsense. The fact is, he does NOT have bankai, and therefore, there is no way he is the strongest captain. Even if he had bankai, he would still not be the strongest.

He's shikai will probably match up with bankai Ichigo. His bankai at most would be like Vizard Ichigo. And we all know there are lots of people stronger than Vizard Ichigo.

[sweeter]

1. Ichigo
2. Uruhara
3. Aizen
4. Yama-jii
5. Yoruichi

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[Ichi-Zoro 3]

Aizen, isshin, and ichigo are the strongest

[Guy]

1. Ichigo
2. Uruhara
3. Aizen
4. Yama-jii
5. Yoruichi

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WTF?! Ichigo and Urahara are stronger than Aizen? Are we reading the same Bleach manga? Yoruichi is not that strong, btw, she herself could not beat Byakuya.

[sweeter]

WTF?! Ichigo and Urahara are stronger than Aizen? Are we reading the same Bleach manga? Yoruichi is not that strong, btw, she herself could not beat Byakuya.
Well, yeah, that's what I think.

1. Ichigo has limitless potential, and I recall Uruhara saying that Ichigo was stronger than him. And he is the main character. Are we reading the same manga? (:

2. I think Uruhara may be hiding true power under his unassuming facade. He's not the type to display his abilities, but rather, use them to gauge his enemies'. I think it has something to do with his hat. (:

3. I think Yoruichi is stronger than Byakuya. She is faster than him, definitely. If she had not undergone a hundred-year hiatus, she would definitely pwn him. The only reason that they are at level with another in the SS Arc is because of the said break.


Who do you think is strongest?

[moonflow]

ichimaru gin. i think he's actually manipulating aizen for his own means.
ichigo cos... well he's the main charecter
and zarki kenpachi cos' well the dude doesnt even know his soulslayers name.
imagine if that guy gets bankai :o its gonna destroy the world lol

[Guy]

Well, yeah, that's what I think.

1. Ichigo has limitless potential, and I recall Uruhara saying that Ichigo was stronger than him. And he is the main character. Are we reading the same manga? (:

2. I think Uruhara may be hiding true power under his unassuming facade. He's not the type to display his abilities, but rather, use them to gauge his enemies'. I think it has something to do with his hat. (:

3. I think Yoruichi is stronger than Byakuya. She is faster than him, definitely. If she had not undergone a hundred-year hiatus, she would definitely pwn him. The only reason that they are at level with another in the SS Arc is because of the said break.

That was her mistake. Since she was on a hundred year hiatus, she lost most of her strength. There was a debate about Yoruichi vs. Byakuya, and it was almost unanimous that Byakuya is stronger.


Who do you think is strongest?

Aizen: he pwned everyone. Enough said.
Any one of the higher Espadas: If you read the latest manga, you would know why.
In SS: Yamamoto (obviously), followed by Kyouraku and Ukitake. Yama-jii said so himself that Kyouraku and Ukitake are the strongest.

[sweeter]

That was her mistake. Since she was on a hundred year hiatus, she lost most of her strength. There was a debate about Yoruichi vs. Byakuya, and it was almost unanimous that Byakuya is stronger.




Aizen: he pwned everyone. Enough said.
Any one of the higher Espadas: If you read the latest manga, you would know why.
In SS: Yamamoto (obviously), followed by Kyouraku and Ukitake. Yama-jii said so himself that Kyouraku and Ukitake are the strongest.
Almost unanimous, I don't really care. I like having my own opinion.

Yamamoto may be biased, and he hasn't seen Uruhara or Yoruichi for a long time.

[Guy]

OK, fine, ignore the facts then.

Yamamoto has the most experience, I'm sure he wouldn't be biased. Why would he be biased?

[tenebrusmke79]

OK, fine, ignore the facts then.

Yamamoto has the most experience, I'm sure he wouldn't be biased. Why would he be biased?

I, for one, agree with you, guy. Ukitake and Kyouraku are strongest of the SS captains (there's always the fact that they were the first shinigami to graduate from the academy that Yama-jii set up).

Just because Yama-jii hasn't seen a shinigami (which is actually incorrect in the case of Yoruichi) for a time, doesn't mean they would have gained more strength (nor does it mean that they've lost strength).

With what I said about Yoruichi and Yama-jii not seeing her...well, he did. You might have forgotten the fact that she was present when Aizen, Ichimaru, and Tousen were taken by the Gilian Menos via the Negacion field?

She was there with her former subordinate and bodyguard Soifon. She didn't display any strength there at all.. not that it was needed anyway.

[sweeter]

OK, fine, ignore the facts then.

Just because the majority thinks it's true doesn't mean it is.

Yamamoto has the most experience, I'm sure he wouldn't be biased. Why would he be biased?

Yama-jii may be biased toward Ukitake and Kyouraku since they were the first shinigami to graduate from the academy that he set up; it's very obvious that the three hold a close bond. I'm not saying that Ukitake and Kyouraku aren't strong (I'm assuming they're crazy powerful) although I think the fact in the previous statement may cause their mentor's viewpoint to think more highly of them than they are. They are, after all, his prized students.

Yama-jii did see Yoruichi during that fight, but it doesn't prove anything since the two didn't really interact. Concerning her, I think she fights like Uruhara, only using enough power to assess the enemy.

You said that Yoruichi lost most of her strength during her absence. If she retrains, I think she'd be stronger than Ukitake or Kyouraku, but not Yama-jii.

(:

[Guy]

Just because the majority thinks it's true doesn't mean it is.

Yama-jii may be biased toward Ukitake and Kyouraku since they were the first shinigami to graduate from the academy that he set up; it's very obvious that the three hold a close bond. I'm not saying that Ukitake and Kyouraku aren't strong (I'm assuming they're crazy powerful) although I think the fact in the previous statement may cause their mentor's viewpoint to think more highly of them than they are. They are, after all, his prized students.

Yama-jii did see Yoruichi during that fight, but it doesn't prove anything since the two didn't really interact. Concerning her, I think she fights like Uruhara, only using enough power to assess the enemy.

You said that Yoruichi lost most of her strength during her absence. If she retrains, I think she'd be stronger than Ukitake or Kyouraku, but not Yama-jii.

(:

*sighs* You're too stubborn to convince. I'll just shoot down your arguements with other people: Ulquiorra and all the top Espadas. Basically, they pwn Ichigo, who is on top of your list.

[anonomus]

the first div. cap. because if he could be beat he wouldnt be the commander of all captains just like the power of the mayor of acity is compleatly eclipsed by that of the govener of the state

[Lust]

i disagree,if yamato is that strong he should have reliase aizen lies and deiceve earlier...the strongest one for now it aizen but enventually ichigo will bested everyone

[ginjixx]

it dosn't mean that if your the leader you're the strongest, some members are just keeping thier strength hidden until the time comes, for example aizen, it is because maybe aizen can match the strength of yamamuto...

[sweeter]

*sighs* You're too stubborn to convince. I'll just shoot down your arguements with other people: Ulquiorra and all the top Espadas. Basically, they pwn Ichigo, who is on top of your list.
Your arguments aren't really convincing.

True, right now, Ulquiorra is stronger than Ichigo. But if Ichigo manages to control his Hollow for a full-on fight, he would be stronger than Ulquiorra.

Besides, I formed my opinion on who's the strongest also considering the fact that the protagonists will ultimately triumph. Not fangirling.

(:

[diamondedge]

I don't personally think Ichigo is that strong, because his fights are extremely un-balanced, I think he has main character syndrome more than anything else.

For example - I'll take fight with Zaraki and Maki. While Ichigo was able to draw with Zaraki, he wasn't able to touch Maki, and Zaraki killed Maki without breaking a sweat. Seriously, what kind of power jumps are this??

Currently, Aizen is by the far the strongest. He leads the Arancar and mid class arancars are badasses that NO one can actually own. Do the maths.

Next in line is BYakuya for me, because he is always able to stand up to anyone without even trying very hard.

[Undying]

Byakuya faster than Yoruichi? Where did you get that? She was carrying Ichigo and Zangetsu on her back and was still fast enough to dodge him. Without the added weight, she'd be a lot faster than he.

In terms of potential, Ichigo is indeed the strongest, he IS the main character, like it or not.

[sweeter]

For example - I'll take fight with Zaraki and Maki. While Ichigo was able to draw with Zaraki, he wasn't able to touch Maki, and Zaraki killed Maki without breaking a sweat. Seriously, what kind of power jumps are this??

Ichigo probably didn't want to kill Maki; that's the way he is. With Zaraki, he was giving him no choice, since Zaraki would kill him if he didn't go all out. Another point could be that the Bounto situation was only filler, that was why the pre-notioned power levels don't coincide.

Currently, Aizen is by the far the strongest. He leads the Arancar and mid class arancars are badasses that NO one can actually own. Do the maths.

This is true. I'd like to emphasize the word currently, though. However, I based my list on ultimate, when-all's-said-and-done, the-final-moments-of-the-storyline, strength.

(:

[latara]

Ichigo probably didn't want to kill Maki; that's the way he is.

That's a bad thing, when it comes to strength. Even when Ichi battles Byakuya, and has his sword at By's throat, but doesn't kill him - that's a weakness in battle. He doesn't have a problem killing Hollows, coz they're not human, but doesn't like hurting people. Hence, he's not as strong-minded as the other dudes, hence, not as strong.

Although his reitsu thing is massive, Ichi also doesn't have much experience, making him less strong again.

[diamondedge]

Byakuya faster than Yoruichi? Where did you get that? She was carrying Ichigo and Zangetsu on her back and was still fast enough to dodge him. Without the added weight, she'd be a lot faster than he.


I don't remember saying anything about who is fastest, i am speaking of strength as the overall skill and the potential of Byakuya's soul slayer. It's true that I add my own personal opinion to that, but from what i have seen i have come to this conclusion that Aizen is the only one that could own Byakuya, nothing else. ;)

[sweeter]

That's a bad thing, when it comes to strength. Even when Ichi battles Byakuya, and has his sword at By's throat, but doesn't kill him - that's a weakness in battle. He doesn't have a problem killing Hollows, coz they're not human, but doesn't like hurting people. Hence, he's not as strong-minded as the other dudes, hence, not as strong.

Although his reitsu thing is massive, Ichi also doesn't have much experience, making him less strong again.

Exactly. It is his potential that is frightening.

Ulquiorra himself said this. This potential is the reason why he plans to turn Ichigo to their side.

That is why Ichigo is a force to be reckoned with.

[Pie <3]

Just because the majority thinks it's true doesn't mean it is.




(:

If I recall back
Wasn't Aizen able to force Grimmjow to his knees with only using his reiatsu? That there shows us that Aizen is far more powerful then Ichigo.

[sweeter]

If I recall back
Wasn't Aizen able to force Grimmjow to his knees with only using his reiatsu? That there shows us that Aizen is far more powerful then Ichigo.
Aizen is currently stronger than Ichigo. Currently, he might be the strongest in all of BLEACH (I'm holding out for Sandal-hat). I'd like to emphasize the word currently.

Again, I based my list on ultimate, when-all's-said-and-done, the-final-moments-of-the-storyline, strength; also considering the fact that Ichigo is the main character of BLEACH and the fact that the protagonists will win in the end.

(:

[Guy]

Well, it doesn't take a genius to know Ichigo will be the strongest at the end, because it's shounen law. What I'm arguing is that you place Urahara and Yoruichi as the strongest. Urahara is one of the strongest, that I admit, but Urahara is not stronger than Aizen.

Yoruichi is definitely not the strongest. Ulquiorra will pwn her ass anyday. You are ignoring my arguements about the Espadas. The only Espada Yoruichi owned was Yami.

And Ulquiorra is number 4. That means there are still three stronger Espadas

[sweeter]

Well, it doesn't take a genius to know Ichigo will be the strongest at the end, because it's shounen law. What I'm arguing is that you place Urahara and Yoruichi as the strongest. Urahara is one of the strongest, that I admit, but Urahara is not stronger than Aizen.

First, you did argue that Aizen is stronger than Ichigo.

WTF?! Ichigo and Urahara are stronger than Aizen?

Second, I do think Uruhara is stronger than Aizen. So far, we haven't seen any of them truly fight; I'm not going to underestimate them. I think that both are level in terms of power and speed, but that Uruhara is wiser than Aizen. I believe he has more tricks up his sleeve than the latter, that's why I placed him in a higher position.

Yoruichi is definitely not the strongest. Ulquiorra will pwn her ass anyday. You are ignoring my arguements about the Espadas. The only Espada Yoruichi owned was Yami.

Agreed. Again, I'm not one to underestimate. The main factor that puts Yoruichi on my list is her hudred-year hiatus. Given time to retrain, I think she can pwn even the Primera Espada.

(:

[Guy]

First, you did argue that Aizen is stronger than Ichigo.

That was as of the moment

Second, I do think Uruhara is stronger than Aizen. So far, we haven't seen any of them truly fight; I'm not going to underestimate them. I think that both are level in terms of power and speed, but that Uruhara is wiser than Aizen. I believe he has more tricks up his sleeve than the latter, that's why I placed him in a higher position.

This is just pure fanboyism. Urahara is NOT wiser than Aizen. If he is, then tell me, why did he fell for Aizen's trap? If he is so smart, why doesn't he divise a plan right now to pwn Aizen? We've seen reasons why Urahara is strong, but we've seen NOTHING to suggest that Urahara is actually stronger than Aizen. Urahara might not even be stronger than Ulquiorra. You are completely underestimating Ulquiorra; he CARELESSLY blocked Urahara's shikai THAT WAS STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL YORUICHI. That's also PROOF that Yoruichi is NOT one of the strongest.

Again, I'm not one to underestimate. The main factor that puts Yoruichi on my list is her hudred-year hiatus. Given time to retrain, I think she can pwn even the Primera Espada.

(:

There is NO what-if's. I bet you think Hitler deserved to win WWII. If he didn't chase Jews away, Einstein would've helped Germany developed the atomic bomb, and all of us would have been screwed.

Fact IS: Yoruichi lost her strength throughout the years, and she is NOT the strongest.

[sweeter]

That was as of the moment

Nice save.

This is just pure fanboyism. Urahara is NOT wiser than Aizen. If he is, then tell me, why did he fell for Aizen's trap? If he is so smart, why doesn't he divise a plan right now to pwn Aizen?

First, Uruhara was in Karakura town. How could he have possibly known about Aizen's scheme? Second, how are you so sure that he isn't, at the very moment, planning how to defeat Aizen?

The reason why I think that Uruhara is wiser than Aizen is because of the Hougyoku. If Aizen had the capacity to conceptualize such an instrument, why would he go to such lengths to obtain it; why not just make one himself?

We've seen reasons why Urahara is strong, but we've seen NOTHING to suggest that Urahara is actually stronger than Aizen.

Neither have we seen anything to suggest that Uruhara is weaker than Aizen.

Urahara might not even be stronger than Ulquiorra. You are completely underestimating Ulquiorra; he CARELESSLY blocked Urahara's shikai THAT WAS STRONG ENOUGH TO KILL YORUICHI. That's also PROOF that Yoruichi is NOT one of the strongest.

That strike does not represent Uruhara's true power. For one, it isn't even Bankai; two, I believe he was initially testing the new enemies' strength; and if it were true that that hit was powerful enough to kill Yoruichi (I don't recall anything of the sort, by the way, but I tend to be quite lenient with these things; care to provide the page and chapter of the manga?), it would only be because she had not regained her full power yet.

Again, I did not form my list based on the current situation (Ch. 271).

I bet you think Hitler deserved to win WWII. If he didn't chase Jews away, Einstein would've helped Germany developed the atomic bomb, and all of us would have been screwed.

This is completely irrelevant and retarded, so I'm just going to ignore it, okay?

Fact IS: Yoruichi lost her strength throughout the years, and she is NOT the strongest.

Agreed. Yoruichi's skills diminished because of her hiatus. Aizen is currently the strongest and Ichigo will ultimately be the strongest.

(:

[Jay3205]

Yama-jii may be biased toward Ukitake and Kyouraku since they were the first shinigami to graduate from the academy that he set up; it's very obvious that the three hold a close bond. I'm not saying that Ukitake and Kyouraku aren't strong (I'm assuming they're crazy powerful) although I think the fact in the previous statement may cause their mentor's viewpoint to think more highly of them than they are. They are, after all, his prized students.That's not really an argument, as you are just extrapolating an argument from non-existant evidence. An argument needs evidence, which there is none of Yamamoto being biased towards anyone, especially when he's about to own them in a fight.

Soi Fong was beating Yoruichi until Yoruichi pulled out shunko. If Soi Fong used bankai, the fight could've have a different outcome. Also, Yoruichi messed up her arms and legs seriously after attacking Yammi. If Yoruichi was so powerful, this wouldn't have happened.

As for Urahara, he's probably stronger than most characters, but I doubt he's on Aizen's level or even top espada level. Ulquiorra implied he could defeat both Urahara and Yoruichi simultaneously. Ulquiorra obviously knows he wouldn't stand a chance beating someone with Aizen's strength let alone Urahara and his best teammate. On top of this, Urahara was a previous captain. This means when Yamamoto said Ukitake and Shunsui were better than their piers, this would include Urahara.

First, Uruhara was in Karakura town. How could he have possibly known about Aizen's scheme? Second, how are you so sure that he isn't, at the very moment, planning how to defeat Aizen?

The reason why I think that Uruhara is wiser than Aizen is because of the Hougyoku. If Aizen had the capacity to conceptualize such an instrument, why would he go to such lengths to obtain it; why not just make one himself?I'll agree that Urahara is smarter than Aizen, but not "wiser". A wise person would not let a weakling obtain god-like status when he is apparently strong enough to own him anytime.

Neither have we seen anything to suggest that Uruhara is weaker than Aizen.Aside from Yamaji's comments, even Aizen's weak one-move attacks have utterly demolished everyone in his path. Urahara's attack was deflected effortlessly. If Urahara was so powerful, Ichigo's first getsuga tenshou would've hit him with enough power to only knock off his hat, not take off an arm. As Aizen said, it's hard not to crush a bug with his power. If Urahara was really stronger than Aizen, then pre-SS Ichigo would've been far too weak to hurt him... SS Ichigo purposely trying to kill couldnt even hurt a far weaker patched Zaraki.

That strike does not represent Uruhara's true power. For one, it isn't even Bankai; two, I believe he was initially testing the new enemies' strength; and if it were true that that hit was powerful enough to kill Yoruichi (I don't recall anything of the sort, by the way, but I tend to be quite lenient with these things; care to provide the page and chapter of the manga?), it would only be because she had not regained her full power yet.Who says Yoruichi didn't gain back her power? The difference being pwned by Yammi and being able to defend against Aizen is great. Yoruichi would've needed to lose over half her power. HOWEVER, Soi Fong says that the time Yoruichi spent away was supposed to make her weaker, implying that Yoruchi did not become significantly weaker.

If normal shinigami like Yoruichi and Urahara could be so powerful, then there really wouldn't be much point in the hougkyoku. The top class menos are already stronger than most captains, which is fact. Obviously arrancar/vaizard power gives a tremendous strength boost. On top of this, Aizen is already a super-captain and can control these super-powerful arrancar. If hybridizing these arrancar can't make them stronger than normal shinigami Urahara, there would be no point to it. Urahara might as well go to Hueco Mundo and pwn every espada, the captains, and Aizen.

It's fine to have an opinion. Unfortunately, the evidence for your argument is about 5x less than the opposing evidence...

[latara]

If hybridizing these arrancar can't make them stronger than normal shinigami Urahara, there would be no point to it. Urahara might as well go to Hueco Mundo and pwn every espada, the captains, and Aizen.


Urahara isn't as strong as Aizen, certainly, but you're forgetting his personality. He's a lazy, mysterious person. He likes to keep secrets (why else did he send Ichigo to SS without telling him the truth?). Although he said he couldn't have gone through the gate to SS, he certainly could have stopped Byakuya and Renji from taking Rukia there, if he had bothered. He is stronger than he seems.

[Guy]

First, Uruhara was in Karakura town. How could he have possibly known about Aizen's scheme? Second, how are you so sure that he isn't, at the very moment, planning how to defeat Aizen?

Um... using the same old entrance isn't "smart". It was obvious that someone will know where Ichigo and his company came from.

The reason why I think that Uruhara is wiser than Aizen is because of the Hougyoku. If Aizen had the capacity to conceptualize such an instrument, why would he go to such lengths to obtain it; why not just make one himself?

Smarter, not wiser. Making the Hougyouku and obtaining bankai in three days are the only two things we've seen that makes Urahara super smart. Aizen is clever and deceptive; he planned this whole thing out way before the actual Bleach storyline.

Neither have we seen anything to suggest that Uruhara is weaker than Aizen.

If Urahara is stronger than Aizen:

Then on the third raid on Karakura town, why doesn't he pwn all the espadas with his reiatsu?

That strike does not represent Uruhara's true power. For one, it isn't even Bankai; two, I believe he was initially testing the new enemies' strength; and if it were true that that hit was powerful enough to kill Yoruichi (I don't recall anything of the sort, by the way, but I tend to be quite lenient with these things; care to provide the page and chapter of the manga?), it would only be because she had not regained her full power yet.[/SPOILER]

It does prove unreleased Ulqy>shikai Urahara. Now, maybe bankai Urahara>unreleased Ulqy, but that leaves Ulqy's released and bankai form to be in question. No, he was not testing his enemy's strength. Mind you, Urahara's shikai is as strong as Yami's cero. Urahara clearly stated that in order to counter Yami's cero, he had to fire back a power AS POWERFUL AS YAMI'S cero. This proves Ulquiorra is way stronger than Yami, and Yami almost killed catwoman if it weren't for Urahara's intervention. Reread chapter 194. Volume 22 pages 137-140.

Again, I did not form my list based on the current situation (Ch. 271).



[QUOTE=sweeterthanchocolate]This is completely irrelevant and retarded, so I'm just going to ignore it, okay?

Ha! It looks like I've owned you there. Like I said, there are no 'what if's'.

Agreed. Yoruichi's skills diminished because of her hiatus. Aizen is currently the strongest and Ichigo will ultimately be the strongest.

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Looks like you just admit it yourself. Yoruichi is not one of the strongest. She nearly got killed by Yami, and if you think she is stronger than Ulquiorra, then you're crazy.

[tenebrusmke79]

For example - I'll take fight with Zaraki and Maki. While Ichigo was able to draw with Zaraki, he wasn't able to touch Maki, and Zaraki killed Maki without breaking a sweat.

sorry to disagree with you, but Maki didn't die when Kenpachi "killed" him, he was really killed by Kariya Jin. You can say that Kariya is stronger than Kenpachi even though he's not a shinigami at all.

[Jay3205]

^^ Maki is a filler character anyways, as is Kariya. How powerful those characters are don't really matter since they don't exist in the true storyline.

[Undying]

With regards to the Yoruichi VS Yammy fight, she herself states that she was unprepared for the Ierro, and would have used Shunko if she had known.

So, guy, no point in saying catwoman is weak. She pwned unreleased Yammy easily even without Shunko (though it cased her injuries because of his Iron Skin, he himself was about as harmful as a punching bag).

You seem to hate anyone that's ant better than Byakuya. Really now...

[diamondedge]

sorry to disagree with you, but Maki didn't die when Kenpachi "killed" him, he was really killed by Kariya Jin.
That's also true but he was owned BAD.

You seem to hate anyone that's ant better than Byakuya. Really now...
Was that aimed at me? If it was than I assure you that's not the case, I just that what I've seen so far I concluded that Byakuya is the one who was always able to fight on pair with strongest characters. If I just take Kariya as his last serious fight in the anime - no one else was even close to doing him what Byakuya did to him. Not even Ichigo at the very end of their fight IMO. Kariya would have been killed by Byakuya for SURE if there wasn't his spirit regeneration and if Rantao didn't interfere.

And if that wasn't mean for me than my apologies.

[Undying]

@diamondedge: no no, I should have been more specific. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at guyklc, who definitely seems to degrade and/or hate anyone who is better than Byakuya at anything.

You don't seem to, so far... :)

[diamondedge]

Oh, thank God. I really didn't want to give impression that i worship Byakuya and despise everyone else. In fact there is alot of people in Bleach whose strength and talents I admire! If I make a short "list"; Hitsugaya for his amazingly short way to captain level and his one of the most powerfull and beautifull bankai ever, Ichigo for his fast progressing and his fierce desire to protect the ones he loves, all of Arancar for their skill and power than surpasses everyone elses, Aizen for his ability to fool everyone and coltrolling everyone from behind the scenes and now leadi