Is PETA a Bad Organization?

[II Xion II]

I am wondering what everyone's opinion is on PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals).

I know that a lot of people think that they are doing a lot of good for animals in general. While others, like myself, think that they are perhaps the most evil, conniving, hateful, hypocritical, ignorant propagandist group in all of the United States (or perhaps the world!).

Anyway, I won't go into my reasons yet, as I want to see what people have to say first and whether or not a debate will get started.

[EndlessSky]

PETA ( People who Enjoy Tasty Animals) :P.

I really think they are worried more about their own personal gain than animals in general. Most enviromentalists and animal right activists seem to be very hypocritical.

I mean, I beleive in treating animals with respect and kindness, but that is not gonna keep me from hunting them for food for survival.

Also, with our early ancestors hunting large mammals for food has aided in our development as a species, the protein in developing the brain and such. This has been proven by Historians and Anthropologists.

For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two :P.

[lovehouse.MOON]

Yes, some of their problems you hear about your response is, "Do they seriously have nothing better to do with their time?".
But there are some disgusting cases of animal abuse that would put your stomach in knots that they are also taking care of.
The latter is pretty rare, but it is going on.

[II Xion II]

Yes, some of their problems you hear about your response is, "Do they seriously have nothing better to do with their time?".
But there are some disgusting cases of animal abuse that would put your stomach in knots that they are also taking care of.
The latter is pretty rare, but it is going on.

I'd be hard-pressed to find one "good" thing that they have done. Here's a fact, PETA has killed 90.7% of the animals they had received in 2005. I am not joking. The "animal rights" group puts to death mass numbers of domestic animals like puppies and kittens each year for basically no good reason. Since 1998 they have killed over 14000 animals. And yet they speak out against the slaughter of cattle for meat as a genocide comparable to the Nazis.

They support convicted felons (including murderers, arsonists, burglars) who "work" for their cause, put the lives of animals over humans, and they even target children with obscenely graphic, junk science-filled propaganda that would make the likes of Joseph Goebbels blush.

This organization is dangerous particularly because it might appeal to the young and ill-informed and get such people involved in a cause that they believe is "saving" animals. I mean, seriously, the organizations co-founder and current head has gone on record as saying that she wants to be made into wallets and shit when she dies. These people are nut cases and that is all.

[dr0))nedevil]

I would have to say there is a difference between killing animals for survival & having them in corporate stockhouses just to be butchered while feeding them bioengineered food & enhanced hormones. To me that would be extreme creulty but corporations have to have their bottom line.

To me its funny peta seems to forget that humans are animals (yes humans are animals we are no different than a fish just because we think we are above animals doesnt mean we arent.)

[Tokoyami]

I would have to say there is a difference between killing animals for survival & having them in corporate stockhouses just to be butchered while feeding them bioengineered food & enhanced hormones. To me that would be extreme creulty but corporations have to have their bottom line.

To me its funny peta seems to forget that humans are animals (yes humans are animals we are no different than a fish just because we think we are above animals doesnt mean we arent.)

Thats right, we are animals. We're mammals, with over 90% of the same genetic material as some primate species. out brains are more developed. Thats it.

I dont think that feeding animals bioengineered food and enhanced horomones is bad at all. More food, better food, i like it. I dont care if its a normal cow or a super genetically enhanced flying cow, its a hamburger in the end to me.

[Aurenidus]

One serious problem with PETA's agenda is that it's based on ending the suffering of animals. Suffering is the key word here, because it denotes a second level to physical pain, an emotional level. While many animals may display emotions, and some indeed seem to be capable of true emotions, most animals that PETA would like to protect are incapable of suffering because they either totally lack or have underdeveloped parts of the brain necessary for suffering, such as a large frontal lobe combined with a large prefrontal cortex. What PETA should be concerned with - and indeed what most people and governments are concerned with - is ethical treatment of animals as a reflection of the psychological health of humans, as well as the effect that visible and malicious (or otherwise unproductive) animal cruelty has on the public and children, most importantly.

[dr0))nedevil]

I dont think that feeding animals bioengineered food and enhanced horomones is bad at all. More food, better food, i like it. I dont care if its a normal cow or a super genetically enhanced flying cow, its a hamburger in the end to me.
Bioenginnered food is a debt enablor since the seed of bioengineered plants DO NOT have seeds & dont regrow the next season. They havent been tested on any human beings other than against insects to make sure they dont eat them.

Something else your not thinking about the extra hormones in the burger also effect the person eating it which can unbalance your own body. Just think about it having large doses of hormone pills in your burger that your digesting.

The defense of animals may seem useless but most animals from the cattle providers dont even walk anymore they are so lame to the auction houses.What makes this even worse fast food chains go with the cheapest,weakest,sickest animals to put in your meal to save costs.

Well the best way to test of creulty of animals is to constantly show on prime time what they do to animals in them just like the war footage in vietnam. I am completely for showing all the parts in person with an unblinking camera to everyone how they die. Then people can judge for themselves whats creulty.

[Kaze.]

well i don't think throwing bucketsof paint onto people is a good thing lol..... it's called evolution... humans are on top and that gives us the permission to kill and skin whatever we want ^_^

and now you know.
and knowledge is power :toocool:

[dragoneyes001]

concidering they use the developments from animal testing to save themselves then go out and burn labs who do the testing yes PETA is a hypocritical group.

the second in command is only alive today because she uses drugs developed by animal testing.

they actually believe that having a pet is wrong and against the animals rights.

personally I'd be happy to see someone use the same tactics they do against them. i would really laugh if someone who eats meat and has a pet decides to firebomb their headquarters it would be the best form of karma kicking them in the ass.

[Vampyrelord]

You know I think the whole concept of "for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two" is so childish and puerile that it really doesn't do you any favours.

Kaze, according to your logic, if I am stronger than you I have the right to kill you and skin you. Peter Singer would tear you apart in a debate.

@Everyone: There's already a thread on the ethics of eating mean (pah, an oxymoron if you ask me) called "If eating meat immoral", started by yours truly. I don't want this thread turning into another vegetarian bashing thread. Make sure we stay on topic.

[EndlessSky]

You know I think the whole concept of "for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two" is so childish and puerile that it really doesn't do you any favours.

That was the whole point of the statement, considering a lot of others posts...

Anyway, this should be about "is Peta bad" instead of the morality of eating meat. Which is kinda on topic since PETA is a animal rights group. I just know there are alot of vegetarions that side with PETA because the people who are vegeatraions are because of "animal rights".

I really think, however, that instead of arguing over these kind of things we should be worrying about more important things, like the good and survival of this country. I think you would agree that your fellow man comes before animals.

[dr0))nedevil]

That was the whole point of the statement, considering a lot of others posts...
Anyway, this should be about "is Peta bad" instead of the morality of eating meat. Which is kinda on topic since PETA is a animal rights group. I just know there are alot of vegetarions that side with PETA because the people who are vegeatraions are because of "animal rights".
I really think, however, that instead of arguing over these kind of things we should be worrying about more important things, like the good and survival of this country. I think you would agree that your fellow man comes before animals.
Well if its about we should do to animals what we do to other humans just think we have serial killers who mutilate bodies of human beings in grotesque ways but not much outrage over that so we are doing to animals what we do to ourselves.

[Liete87]

How in any way is an animal equal to a person? Why does an animal deserve rights? Now don't get me wrong I don't think they should be ABUSED but I don't see a problem with eating them either.

I mean...

Would a lion hesitate to eat you? Would a crocadile? Would a buzzard leave you alone if you died in the forest?

Most likely not.

Animals have no compassion for you (well besides pets like dogs and cats) so why should you have compassion for them? Why should you go out of your way to protect some hostile creature that would snap you to pieces if it got the chance?

Answer is simple, you shouldn't, and you should be thankful your at the top of the food chain.

[Insight]

^its nice to see that your taking the high road. one of the things that makes humans different is that were smarter then animals so we can recognise the concept of right and wrong.
if someone does something bad to you that dosn't give you the right to do something wrong back that just childish and stupid.
also the idea that a lion would just attack you for fun is stupid they would only attack you in order to stay alive, humans are the only species on the planet that kill for fun, but it's perfectly fine to kill for survival or self defence, but it should be the kast resort.
now i don't believe in PETA i think it is hypocritical and it is harmful to the cause of animal rights of which i'm a supporter of. i have no problem with animal testing as long as it's for medicine but not for cosmetics. its a shame when the movemant damages the cause.

[EnzJon]

I think that PETA has (or had, maybe?) good intentions: protecting animals that have been abused. I'm all for that. I also don't think that testing all those products and things on animals is right either. However, I don't really have any remorse when I'm eating my Thai chicken sattay. We need food, and animals are a source of that food.

Switch places with, say, a cow.

If cows ruled the world, and we were like the cows are now, wouldn't you want someone to say that it wasn't right for you to be mutilated or abused?

I don't mind people killing, for example, cows, chicken, or fish. As long as it's for food, that is. It's really not necessary for people to just kill, abuse, or mutilate animals just for the "fun" of it.

I also think that common household pets (such as dogs and cats) shouldn't be killed for anything, including food.

(Oh, and I apologize for the rather... weird analogy, but I think it got the point across.)

[edssweet]

In my opinion PETA uses scare tactics to try and convince people to not eat meat, stop abusing animals, and so on. If you want some proof of there scare tatctics go to there website and watch there commercials they make. I am personally a vegan, but I don't go protesting outside a Kentucky Fried Chicken telling people "meat is evil." They should, instead of bitching about animal cruelty, try and actually do something useful save, the rain forest, stop global warming, or hell go to a beach and pick up trash. Anything is better than what they do now.

I have a question and I hope that someone who reads this can answer. If you go to the PETA website they have a donate to their organization link, excluding their website fees and the ridiculous commercials they make, where does this money go. I, and many of my friends, have tried to find this out but cannot. So if any of you can point my in the right direction on where to look it would be much appreciated.

[Zaenos]

I think that animal rights is a good thing and all, but I don't think that animal rights should be carried out to the point where it harms humans, for example, not eating meat.

For example:

If everyone were to stop eating meat at once, what would happen to the people that raise the animals for food? They become poor, and jobless, and that puts a strain on the economy, thus, it strains society. Also, do you know what happens to the people that make the equipment for the farms that grow animals? They loose buyers and go out of buisness, which brings down the workers and their families. And what about the people that grow food for the animals that are raised? Same thing happens, they become poor, more strain on the economy. This isn't an issue for all states, but some states that depend on the raising of animals could become bankrupt, because all the workers would become poor and wouldn't be able to pay taxes, thus making the state poor, thus weakening the country as a whole.

And, if you were to look at the other side of the spectrum:

The makers of the vegitarian food would suddenly be drowned in demand, and because they don't have the facilities to make enough food for the increased demand, people would starve, because of no food. And what about the states that were poor because of a lack of jobs? yeah, you can kiss those states goodbye, they're going to meet something called famine. If the producers of the vegitarian food can't meet up with demand for their own states, how can they possibly feed other states?

Just my thoughts on the matter...

[Shaehl]

I think that PETA has (or had, maybe?) good intentions: protecting animals that have been abused. I'm all for that. I also don't think that testing all those products and things on animals is right either. However, I don't really have any remorse when I'm eating my Thai chicken sattay. We need food, and animals are a source of that food.

Switch places with, say, a cow.

If cows ruled the world, and we were like the cows are now, wouldn't you want someone to say that it wasn't right for you to be mutilated or abused?

I don't mind people killing, for example, cows, chicken, or fish. As long as it's for food, that is. It's really not necessary for people to just kill, abuse, or mutilate animals just for the "fun" of it.

I also think that common household pets (such as dogs and cats) shouldn't be killed for anything, including food.

(Oh, and I apologize for the rather... weird analogy, but I think it got the point across.)

One flaw in your argument. If we switched places with cows, and we were the source of unintelligent, helpless food, we wouldn't be able to "want" them to give us rights. Because the only way we'd be a source of food for cows is if we were so brain dead that we couldn't really want anything at all. And if we were capable of wanting rights, we'd also be capable of fighting for them. Either way, your logic fails.

[Alex26]

^its nice to see that your taking the high road. one of the things that makes humans different is that were smarter then animals so we can recognise the concept of right and wrong.
if someone does something bad to you that dosn't give you the right to do something wrong back that just childish and stupid.
also the idea that a lion would just attack you for fun is stupid they would only attack you in order to stay alive, humans are the only species on the planet that kill for fun, but it's perfectly fine to kill for survival or self defence, but it should be the kast resort.
now i don't believe in PETA i think it is hypocritical and it is harmful to the cause of animal rights of which i'm a supporter of. i have no problem with animal testing as long as it's for medicine but not for cosmetics. its a shame when the movemant damages the cause.

One question, what is bad and what is good? Isnt it something we made up to try and "organize" and give meaning to our lives? Isnt good and bad something we use to label things we like or that harm us? what im trying to say is that on nature, Good and Bad doesnt exists, you cant make an argument with that, and animals do think and in some ways, they are smarter than us. They live a simple life of food, sex and watch out for her husband or for a predator life, we do the same, but ours include bullets and mass destruction wich affects not only one individual but a whole poblation including organism of other species... who's smarter? On the end, whats the difference? we cause 10X harm to the planet, a lion only kills 1 person a day and at the same time creates life unlike us...

^- no offence intended btw

Im so off topic, but on topic every organization haves pros and cons, and there will always be personal interests, nothing we can do about it, i personaly dont go against neither on favor for quite a lot of reasons, but they r too many for me to write XD