Is a sanitized world view a good thing?

[dr0))nedevil]

This subject has bothered me when I was going through high school learning of world wars 1&2 it seemed pointless without showing the consequences it did to the ones who died? Which brings me to the next war vietnam/korean/balkans what is the point of learning the history if you dont see the grotesque realities of the dead?

Since we are so welcoming of war how come no one has seen pictures of what a military actually killing someone in the textbooks. To me this is blatant ignorance of showing examples of the disgusting human behavior that has shown itself even in peace. My worry is if someone doesnt wake up to show the younger generation the outcomes of killing someone would be then the barbaric use of war on anyone will the epitome of repeating the disconnect between maggotted corpses and what press allows to be seen which is the public relation sanitizing of killing a human being not a subhuman piece counted as a #.

Why I'm on this rant I must add children should be shown the things that show the ugliness of all human beings unfiltered without a person spinning it into a political realm that is just for keeping the illusion that the world is completely evil while united states is without any blood on its own hands. For those wondering why i come to this conclusion it is because we have denied that humans can be as disgusting as the supposed "evil" of whatever war we are in.

[elendil15900]

Basically even though the media has the first amendment, the FCC ( i think thats the one that regulates the media/airwaves) can declare this kind of stuff un appropiate and forbid the station to air it. And if your wathing some cable channel and you air something like this the government will not like you. And if the government dosent like you then the cable companies wont like you leading to less advertiseing for you channel.
If they put this stuff in textbooks some teachers/parents union (who think we dont know what sex is by the age of 16) will protest and who knows what will happen...
Also if this was printed it would make the U.S look bad and we wouldent want to be making "the land of the free" look bad now do we? All those texbooks are filled with pages upon pages justifieing killing...just the things we need to be teaching to the younger generation...

Edit: now that i look at this post i sorta see the connection between it and my sig. THe U.S gov is on the crime and punishment side...

[dr0))nedevil]

So explain how in iraq they showed saddam gassing villages & mountains of corpses, but america just showed pictures of saddam hanging?

I must point out just because the goverment thinks its holier than any other goverment doesnt make them holy or does it? The thing about denying human savagery is in some way or another it will reappear in a more drastic way. Japan has also had serial killers (a cult leader who gased a subway,low level yakuza who raped,& put a young girl in a 55 gallon barrel then filled it with concrete),Also a killer who was found with the guinea pig tapes and had kidnapped 5 kids ages 4-7 which he killed in gruesome fashion imitating some scenes from guro H & guinea pig.

Now america seems to have a launch of serial killers also with denying ugly human potentials while focusing on the deaths like they were selling a commodity. How could anyone forget our own home grown killers charles manson,john wayne gacy,btk killer,jonestown massacre,waco,kent state shootings during anti war protest,l.a. riots,kkk lynchings of blacks,biological warfare on natives to this land before europe settled here,japanese internment,cia sending cocaine to inner city,

I know I've missed alot but no matter how you look at it I beleive land of the free tagline has been shown with its crack especially with how our news covers iraq vs international news.

[elendil15900]

its easier to in a sense to "forgive and forget" rather then "forgive and remember"

[dr0))nedevil]

its easier to in a sense to "forgive and forget" rather then "forgive and remember"
but as a saying goes deny your past you are destined to repeat it

[II Xion II]

War and civil strife are disgusting things. All people (w/ the exception of a demented few) would say that war is an archetypal bad thing. But everything is not black and white and power tends to corrupt even the most sanctified minds. Idi Amin had high hopes to revolutionize Uganda, yet he ended up killing hundreds of thousands. Mao Zedong implemented the Great Leap Forward in hope of driving China's economy; millions died of starvation as a result. Even "noble" causes like ending WWII by the Allies had very disturbing moments. Just look at the Dresden firebombing.

I do agree that showing the messy, gory truth behind war would change some people's views on supporting "just wars." However, people will only change when they realize the evils with themselves and the fact that no justification whatsoever deserves war. I remember looking at pictures from the Armenian Genocide and thinking how awful it was for such things to happen and how stupid and ignorant the Pasha Triumvirate (of the Young Turks) was for implementing such horrid plans. The government of Turkey to this day denies the Armenian Genocide and has declared it a crime to say it as such. I was equally shocked and horrified to find out of the Armenian retribution for their people being killed. Operation Nemesis (made up of Armenian assassination squads) killed all of the Pashas and other high members of the Young Turks after the Brits released them of all charges (for which they were condemned to death in international court).

War is ugly. So, is "retribution." The Law of the Talon solves (an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth) solves nothing and violence and anger perpetuate w/ everyone claiming that there cause is "just." People supposedly hate war, yet for their "divine" cause they are willing to kill many, failing to realize the family, friends, and hope behind each life that is ended.

[Guy]

I think the big problem is because most young people nowadays could care less about history. Everyone nowadays either talks about celebrity garbage, or the nerdier ones, about science and technology. Nobody remembers history. The only genocide most of us know is the Holocaust. Seriously, there has GOT to be more holocausts in human history... but the thing is, even though we humans pretend to care, we don't really care. We think it's disturbing to think about our gory past. This is why I think war is continuing. In addition, many people say, "this has nothing to do with me, so why care?" I, for one, am a lover of history. I love history, and I can't stand it when other people (which is practically everyone) say they couldn't care less about history.

[itsupthere]

Human beings are disgusting creatures, and none of us are exceptions to this fact. Why doesn't the US government show the negative effects of war, and crime to children? It's because our society is much like a christian bible thumper. Nobody wants to admit they are wrong, and the same goes for the US government.

If you want war, you will get no peace. If you want peace, prepare for war. Doesn't that make sense to you guys? We will always be in conflict with one another, unless we start taking some sort of pill that restrains our emotions(Equilibrium anyone?).

No, a sanitized world is not a good thing. A close-minded society is not a good thing, and ignorance is not a good thing. However, do you think anyone will care enough to try and change this? No, I doubt anyone will because we live in a lazy society. Making a few hundred dollars extra a month to live easily is enough for the majority of us. I don't see too many people joining groups to better our world, do you?

The world would be much better without homosapiens. Or better yet, the world would be better if it were devoid of sentient life. Does anyone want to cease existing? I highly doubt that as well, so our only option is conflict.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

War is a sad fact of life. For every year in recorded history, there has been at least one violent conflict between various groups. Albert Einstein said "As long as there is men, there will be wars." I'm inclined to agree with him when you look at our bloody past. People are more inclined to kill each other over their problems then talk them out. This might not hold true for everyone, but it only takes a small amount of induviduals to start a war and even the more peace loving people end up getting drawn in. You tend to drop lofty ideals when someone is threatening to cut your head off or harm your loved ones.

[dr0))nedevil]

To fight wars I thought it was noble to look at the corpses of the dead into their cold eyes to see the face of death.

Now I bring this up since taxpayers paid for bullets,guns, & the mercenaries to me it seems just as ignorant not to show the people no matter how disturbing what the face of death looks like since their tax dollars are at work lets see the dismantled corpses done in our name to the enemy of the week campaigns. since we cant figure out which side the iraq goverment is on.

[mind_fissure]

Have you ever seen these corpses? How many people here have actually seen the gore and horror of war? I'm going to assume none if any of you, yet you completely understand what war is how horrible it is. Why do we need to frighten our children with these images and horrors of the world. Let them stay in a irresponsible bliss until they're older and can come to understand the meaning of war.

Yes war is terrible and America is acting like we aren't the bad guys but the truth is we are. All that political crap, all this right and wrong stuff just all goes out the window when your life and the life of your friends or family are threatened. Right and wrong who cares about that. Survival, thats what is important and what our human extinct tells us to do no matter what. Yea we're just as bad as them, we kill just as many people. But we survive.

[gwcommander]

Well i think there should be some exposer but we cant over expose or then we will have people that are more warped up than ever. More violence they see they will think thats all the world is and become that. As long as this planet exist there will always be confilict. The main difference between animal and human confilct is the scale of damage. What people need to do is try harder to lessen the wars made. sure we wont ever be able to stop all wars but if we can try hard and do what we can. The world can be a better place. Yea i know sounds idealistic but if the majority of people want it then it can happen.

[EnzJon]

In my school's history class, we not only studied the Holocaust extremely in-depth, but we also spent a good amount of time talking about the genocide in Darfur that is going on right now, as we speak. Now, tell me, how many people do you know that actually know about this? Not a lot, right? If they were to cover this issue on the news the way that they should, the FCC would go crazy. It's pretty safe to assume stuff like that hasn't been on TV since the beginning of the FCC. So, do I think that a sanitized view of the world is a good thing? Definitely not. History repeats itself. We need to learn from, and REMEMBER our mistakes. Point made.

--EnzJon

[Guy]

Wow, ^if only every school teaches history like yours... I think genocide and ignorance would not be that common nowadays, if only that were the case. *sighs* history repeats itself. We did nothing during the Holocaust. We should've learn from history to do something. Now, with the genocide in Darfur, we're STILL doing nothing. We don't learn from history at all... I guess genocides will just keep happening, and the worst part is we're too lazy to even look up about it!

[mind_fissure]

Truth betold studying history and our mistakes will never stop war or making the same mistakes. War is conflict, conflicting needs, wants, and wishs. We aren't animals we learn to settle these things peacefuly, passively while other people use agression. If we tried to setlle it peacefuly while they're being agressive we'll all die while our mouths are running. So we use that same force and brutality to kill them so we don't die. Its very simple, moraly objective perhaps, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Oh and about the massacres in Darfur, I guess theres nothing in it for our government to get involved. As long as the people are in a bliss of it and aren't saying go help them then they can slide by not sticking they're necks out. Though perhaps that is best for our country not getting involved in other peoples conflicts.

[Guy]

We should stay out of other people's domestic affairs, but the attitude you're giving is the same attitude Europe gave to the Jews when the Nazis were capturing them: "We're not Jews, so who cares? Why speak out?"

[James Cizuz]

The cleaner we get, in our society and the more we go away from nature, the weaker our immune system gets, and if we do come into contact with something bad, we will be done for. However, being clean is important, but all these hand santisers, and other chemicals that kill "99.9%" of germs also kill the germs that help us.

[mind_fissure]

I was more or less speaking about our governments point of veiw. There is no such thing as democracy anymore in America. America was a dream, just like rome was and it was spirited away just like rome was. Every election we vote for only a few candidates that were selected by elitists that control most of the wealth. They select these candidates based on how much they'll benefit from they're presence in the white house. We live under tryany of greed. As long as they can hold they're position of power in the peoples eyes they won't go out of they're way to help some one. Personaly I believe if some one asks for help and we have a means to help and do good we should with out a doubt.

Oh and to james, yea we should let our children know what war is and how horrible it is and I believe we already have done that. Just because they don't see it doesn't mean they don't understand it. Hopefuly they'll never have to see it.

I think this is starting to get off topic.

[II Xion II]

I was more or less speaking about our governments point of veiw. There is no such thing as democracy anymore in America. America was a dream, just like rome was and it was spirited away just like rome was. Every election we vote for only a few candidates that were selected by elitists that control most of the wealth. They select these candidates based on how much they'll benefit from they're presence in the white house. We live under tryany of greed. As long as they can hold they're position of power in the peoples eyes they won't go out of they're way to help some one. Personaly I believe if some one asks for help and we have a means to help and do good we should with out a doubt.

Oh and to james, yea we should let our children know what war is and how horrible it is and I believe we already have done that. Just because they don't see it doesn't mean they don't understand it. Hopefuly they'll never have to see it.

I think this is starting to get off topic.

You should really take a history class or at least a basic civics class. These "elitists" you speak of are actually the everyday citizen. Have you ever heard of primaries of caucuses? Anybody in the country can run for office, provided they have a nice source of money from fund-raising and such. Campaign finance rules prohibit excessive private campaign "donations" and require fund-raising by reaching out to possible constituents. Look at the European nations where individuals do not run for power, the party does!!! The part controls all and no one doubts the prime minister's decisions lest they lose their party's nomination. Sounds very democratic, doesn't it. The United States is the most democratic country in the world, so get over it.

And no, a sanitized world view is not good. People have to learn that war is brutal and bestial. No "super-civilized" and "technologically-advanced" society should do such things. We are nothing but animals with the ability to reason (and badly at that).

[mind_fissure]

Yes and only the people with alot of money can come in the veiw of the public and seriously considered for presidency.(or they're really high on the social ladder) Fund raising doesn't compete with the super wealthy. It'd work if it didn't cost money.

"Technologicaly advanced civilized people" Not every one is like that. What your talking about is a perfect world and we don't live in a perfect world where everyone wants to get along. Its stupid but unfortunatly thats how it is. There should at least be a certain age where they can be exposed to this not just some random channel or on news every day. If we exposed younger people to this they'll think that is all the world is and become voilent themselves.

[mind_fissure]

Yes and only the people with alot of money can come in the veiw of the public and seriously considered for presidency.(or they're really high on the social ladder) Fund raising doesn't compete with the super wealthy. It'd work if it didn't cost money.

"Technologicaly advanced civilized people" Not every one is like that. What your talking about is a perfect world and we don't live in a perfect world where everyone wants to get along. Its stupid but unfortunatly thats how it is. There should at least be a certain age where they can be exposed to this not just some random channel or on news every day. If we exposed younger people to this they'll think that is all the world is and become voilent themselves.

[mind_fissure]

Delete that second post my computer was lagging and i pressed the button twice.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

The Presidency has become the realm of the elite. I'm sorry, but there really is no ****ing way that anyone short of a politican could get into office. The amount of money needed to run a campaign is astronomical. Not only that, but with today's political circus you either need to be Democrat or Republican to have any reasonable chance of winning. America is a democracy though, so I don't know where you were going there.

The sanitized world view is good and bad. At its worse it blinds people from the truth so they can peacefully go on with their lives in ignorant bliss; At its best it spares traumatized people from having to confront the same things again and preserves our children's precious innocence for as long as possible. Like Buddha advocated, the middle path is probably the best solution for this issue.

I feel that the news should portray the full horrors of the human experience, but special shows to be dedicated to such. You don't want to shove the information down peoples' throats and you don't want to traumatize children either. I think it would be good for these to play during primetime hours on a certain day of the week and reruns daily at later times.