should teenagers be given freedom and priority in school?

[Vladimir]

i wonder . students always complaint that they should be given freedom in school . having no rules in school so that they will do anything they like .
my opinion is that they should not because without rules school would not be school but they should be given priority to bring and electronic gadget in school .

wad is your opinion on this ?

[Thelindra]

nah, too much freedom is bad, cuz as teens we tend to be more reckless and stuff, so without rules the whole sch will prob be like a zoo >_<:

thats why as we grow up, the rules gets mroe lax and lax and slowly achieve freedom.

[Kay™]

agree.. to much freedom juz make them to cause more trouble....and undiscipline but...too much rule make them want to break all of them...

[Evanesque]

I think there should be an equal amount of rules and freedom, too much of either will result in recklessness...and plus it basically depends on the teen whether he/she understands the importance of rules and why they should be followed.

[Vladimir]

i think so too . but when they give rules, will they think students follow them ? sometimes students can't be bothered with rules .

[A2k]

I disagree with that notion entirely.

As we grow up it isn't the rules that become more lax, in fact if anything the rules laid down by society become anything but lax, they actually increase in severity.

The only way to attain true freedom is to live outside those laws that have been set down by those who did not consult you on creation of said law.

I could ramble on for a good half hour, making one of my usually long posts...but in all honesty the above sentance covers all I need to say.

When you live outside laws through choice, not rebelism, since when said law was incited, you were not consulted and in agreeance with said law, and as such you feel your adherence to it, is unjust and as such you choose not to abide by that / those law/s then and only then is freedom something you have truly attained.

Otherwise you are still restricted to the sociocratic BS laid down by governments to keep people structured, controlled, confined in order to manipulate you in any manner should be required.

I'm wrong? Hell I wont deny it, I don't have total freedom, I have far more freedom than most would imagine since I am already aware of what I have just told you, whilst you might only now be coming to an understanding of what I mean by that.

But I am not naive enough to believe that I have total freedom from societies laws, and pull strings puppeteering my life. ~_~;;;

[EDIT:] Pre-16 is probably the most freedom you will ever truly experience. Live it, love and never look back since freedom drifts away from you as life opens your eyes.

[Arei]

There HAS to be rules, thats a given... but some of the policies are just outrageously retarded =P My schools tardy policies are just ridiculous. There are acctually some of us who genuinely have legitimate reasons to our lateness, we are the ones who never skip classes, never a discipline problem... But they treat us like we were cussing in class for tardies, its horrible >.< I don't do anything deliberately wrong so stop friggen treating me like that!!!!!!

And yes I want us to be able to listen to iPods/CDs in ALL classes, I only have 2 that let us do that =/ Music is my crack, without it I go nuts X_X

[chiriyuku]

I have a 15 year old sister and I would be pissed as hell if she had complete freedom at school. She has extremely poor judgement sometimes, so there needs to be some level of restrictions to make sure she doens't do stupid things.

What do you mean bout the priority?

[Mighty Aramir]

well, as in any normal society there must be a balance between freedom and law. too much of one and its anarchy or tiranny... The object must be to get to a consent between giving and taking and reach a general point of understanding

[Thelindra]

Nicely said MA. The rules are there to mold us

and usually when i think freedom, i meant freedom in the sch, allowing us to wear whatever we like bring whatever we like, and not the law allowing us to kill whoever we like. As we grow and mature, parents rule and sch rules get more lax, whereas the for the law, everyone lives under it, so it doesnt makes a diff =/

in another way i think, rules protect us =P

[Mighty Aramir]

yeah... well in my country uniform's are a must, but i think that is senseless, the whole system is messed up... Schools shouldn't teach you how to memorize things faster, or how to follow blindly an idea stated by someone else...
Schools should teach you how to think, how to analyze situations, how to choose the best option, to be critic, and have an opinion... thats why society is stalled, our youth (which im a part of) is taught to follow, to memorize useless things that you might never use again. at least that my humble opinion XD

[A2k]

I'm guessing that was in comment to my post about rules in respects to the law, I was merely pointing out that whilst people think they have very little freedom in school, they have a whole heck of a lot more than you realise most of the time.

As soon as you hit 16...you've been hung drawn and quarted since you have no choice but to abide by those rules/laws of society or else become outcast in the respect that you can only attain that type of freedom by living beyond those laws.

As such, living beyond those laws is against the law in itself and so still binds you by that lack of freedom.

When you look at it in that perspective, the freedom in school is very liberal.

In respect to school rules specifically, as with the rules and laws of society, abide by them or suffer the consequences, is basically what you are being told, if you choose to try to live outside them and create your own balance as it were, then again, you rebel against the system and as such feel the wrath of those laws.

What freedom was it that you speak of...I must have missed it.

Anyways, specifically to the likes of uniform and music players being allowed in class etc...it unifies a body, once again constricting a group into a singular unit, thus creating ultimate control.

Freedom to wear what you want? That would mean having to deal with porn, or drug related paraphenalia, and they couldn't allow that. (in schools that are uniformed)

Music players etc means that focus isn't key on learning, which is bs since it's a proven fact that a large percentage of students studying capability and attention spans are increased when enlightened with music that is pleasing to the ear. (obviously that accounts differently to the individual)

*throws a pie*

That's my contribution to the obedience of society.

[LemonTaste]

Rules are good for teenagers, though in many schools, rules or no rules the students tend to do what they like. However, it is just a stupid idea to not allow cell phones in school as is the case in New York City.

It's not just silence your phones and keep them in your backpacks anymore. Your cellphone can't be on you, in your locker, or even in your car (no one bothers with this one). I still bring my cellphone to school and wear it on me, just silenced, but if I got caught they would take my phone away. My parents would have to come in to pick it up. Second offense, you don't get your phone for three months and third offense, you have to wait till the end of the year.

Pretty useless as a rule and the staff know it, so thankfully it is not too heavily enforced.

[Arei]

We arent allowed to have cell phones out during school, heck they dont want us to have them period, they take them out if they just see them (and you aren't using it) o.o Nor are we suppose to bring any electronics outside of calculators... But no one listens to that rule xD

I seriously think rules have gotten more strict as I've grown older. I remember in elementary.. around 3rd grade I think, they let us listen to CD players at lunch time and recess. In 4th grade we sometimes got to play our gameboys afterschool (yeah they were anal about that, even if you were in the ESD thing) .. but I changed schools in 5th grade and since then if it has nothing to do with the subject in hand (they even took up a BOOK I was reading at lunch in 5th grade... WTFWTFWTF) then they will confiscate it, no matter what it is =P

[Ronin36]

It's true that past generation's mistakes make it worse for the present generation as far as strictness of rules.

As far as the general topic, "The Hitchiker's Trilogy" (which includes "The Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy") says "People are a problem." Can't quote it all, because the book that I read isn't mine and isn't with me, but it goes on to explain that people can't live without power, but once their given it, they always abuse it. So the only way for someone to justly rule is to not know what power or authority is.

In other words, in my opinion, it's impossible to have a perfect balance between freedom and discipline. That's why rules are constantly being boycotted, changed and added. Not much we can do about it other than continuing the system.

[Silhouette]

Rules suck. Sure, some are needed, but others are just stupid.

Take Student IDs. Ok, so why have them? So people don't sneak into our school? Who the f*** would want to sneak into a school anyway? And besides, its easy to just take one from someone or w/e.

And you get in trouble for using your IDs from past grades. EX. If you're in 12th grade, and you lose your ID, you can't use your ID from 11th grade. You have to buy a new one. Same goes for lanyards. You have to buy them. Its just a money scam. >.>;

You get kicked out of class for not having them. Ok, teacher, I've known you for 4 years, and suddenly you don't know me when I don't have a picture of myself hanging from my neck? F*** you. =_="

Meh. Enough about IDs. Another pointless rule that bothers me is electronics. No Ipods/Mp3 players, cellphones, etc. They let the teachers play lame music on stereos in class, but listening to an Ipod is wrong? Wtf?

And cellphones are good incase of emergencies. Teacher's have their phones on them at all times. I've even seen a few answer their phones during class...

I can go on and on about how lame school rules are, but I have 3 research papers to do.. :whatevah:

[Phasmatis]

Well, there's the problem of kids using iPods/cellphones to cheat. Cellphones can take a picture of an entire test and mail them to a friend, who can google the answers and send them back.
iPods can be used... Nevermind, iPods can't do s**t when it comes to cheating. :Haha They should be allowed in class! :musak:

[Thelindra]

the reason they are not allowed in class, is what if it gets stolen? the school will have lots of trouble and not to mention that u are wasting yur parents money.

But rules kind protect us. Lets say if we are not allowed to bring valuables to sch, in the future we might end up not taking good cae of valuables when we are outside. the rules, while protecting us to make certain mistakes, also forbid us the chance to learn a lesson from a mistake.

~keke

[chiriyuku]

People do sneak into other people's schools to be with their friends. So it's not THAT stupid of a thing to do.

[Sky]

While I understand why ipods/cellphone and such are not allowed in class for cheating purposes. Cellphones should be allowed because of emergencies. Besides they should just let it pass because its not even being followed. I took my phone to school with me everyday. I put it on silent when at school and only answered it if it was my mom. That was me, if someone is stupid enough to cheat with it they deserve to get it taken away and punished, but don't punish all students who don't cheat by putting up such a rule.

With the whole cheating thing, yea you can cheat with an ipod, but you can also cheat with a graphic calculator, but you can't banned those because many classes need them.

[Vladimir]

ok i get good respond from uu guys . thel said i might get stolen . actually if it get stolen, that's the student problem not the teachers . and ya i agree with tasogare . teacher plays lame music on the radio y can't we play our own music .
but i think it's because student, we cannot bring ipods and cameras to school . they abuse the technology . it's very sad tho . but my school can bring hps . but no cameras .

[Silhouette]

1. How can you cheat with an Ipod?!

2. People who sneak into schools to be with their friends are losers..

3. They aren't trying to protect us, they just want to restrict us.

4. Your stuff can get stolen anywhere btw..

[Vladimir]

people this days are smart . they can use anything to cheat . but its only for small test not national examinations . they are restrict us not protect us . they are paid to do their job . they don't really care if not for the rules and their job to earn money .

[Thelindra]

they protect us by restricting the number of activities that we are allowed to do, than we make less mistakes.

And yea stuff can get stolen anywhere, so once a student lost an important item, he or she will learn to sakekeep thier item carefully. I was scolded countless time for not able to keep an eye on my belongings =/

[Vladimir]

careless ! well but thx to those people in school we still have our belonging safe and sound . but maybe they should really give priority for student to bring what so ever electronics they want . if anything is lost they have to answer themselves tho .

[Arei]

Rules suck. Sure, some are needed, but others are just stupid.
Take Student IDs. Ok, so why have them? So people don't sneak into our school? Who the f*** would want to sneak into a school anyway? And besides, its easy to just take one from someone or w/e.
And you get in trouble for using your IDs from past grades. EX. If you're in 12th grade, and you lose your ID, you can't use your ID from 11th grade. You have to buy a new one. Same goes for lanyards. You have to buy them. Its just a money scam. >.>;
You get kicked out of class for not having them. Ok, teacher, I've known you for 4 years, and suddenly you don't know me when I don't have a picture of myself hanging from my neck? F*** you. =_="
Meh. Enough about IDs. Another pointless rule that bothers me is electronics. No Ipods/Mp3 players, cellphones, etc. They let the teachers play lame music on stereos in class, but listening to an Ipod is wrong? Wtf?
And cellphones are good incase of emergencies. Teacher's have their phones on them at all times. I've even seen a few answer their phones during class...
I can go on and on about how lame school rules are, but I have 3 research papers to do.. :whatevah:


I totally agree, I've got the exact same problem here... :whatevah: I'm a little paranoid, if I need to call my mom or grandma or someone else I NEED to call them, it will calm me down in an emergency. Don't tell me to just use the school phones, if there was a real emergency everyone would be using them! Theres still a good percentage without cellphones.

Music = Sanity for me. I get 2 classes to listen to my iPod in (and they're in a row too XP) and thats it. We got a different teacher for another class and he wont let us listen to music now.. so I lost my 3rd class i listened to it in XP I think better with music, it inspires me.... gah its as if they want me to be dumb :sad I only listen to it when doing individual work or drawing, I'd never wear it during a lecture or lesson, they need to just take up the people's that are listening to it when they shouldn't be, and leave the rest of us who are acting properly to get our music fix!!!

And the IDs? I ain't payin $5 for a new ID, no way =P Someone in the office stole my lanyard when my mom brought my ID one day, now I got to use the stupid clip =P I hate it, I dont want to use the other school lanyard, way too bulky

[Xaimas]

In England, teenagers in school are more behaved than teenagers in America, why, School Uniforms, its a proven fact that if students are made to wear School Uniforms they will be more disciplined.

[Vladimir]

not all . in sg students still wear uni but their attitude still proves that they are the worst type of their generation.
hmn. uu have to wear id . in sg we have to use name tags . one minute the teacher noes our name but when we don't use it they act as if they dunno us . thats irritating .

[Atrias]

Go go social-constriction!

Rules are awful, I was told not to sit next to and look after my best friends younger sister when she was crying because she was younger than me and the teacher thought it was creepy. Yeah, like I've not known her for like over half her life? I got into a argument with the teacher afterwards and she never spoke to me again. Hehe!

I hated the old CD's, Phones IPods thing... it was suckish!

[TheUnlimited]

school IDs are not a problem... it's not that hard to keep yours around you. No point in complaining about that.

No ipods and CDs. That's completely understandable. They're a distraction.
And yes, they let teachers play lame music but you guys can't have Ipods in class? Well.... duuuhhh.. Don't think that students should have all equal priveleges with teachers. Besides, Ipods and such are a luxury to bring to school. They are unnecessary. So there's no point in whining about it if you can't bring yours to school, whether it be b/c you're bored without it or not. Deal with it.

The question is.. WHY should students get freedom and priority in school? They're in school to learn, not to chill, play games, listen to music. Do that stuff at home. It's not like you're cut off of music and games ALL day. It's all too plain and simple. Appreciate what ups(few or not) that you already have.

[Vladimir]

hmn . maybe that . but student can study well in their own way i mean if teacher gives work to do on their own they can listen to mp3 . phones cuz they want to contactable . like parent or friends . so they are more reachable . but they sometimes abuse technology . hmn .

[Pie <3]

In Norway , we are allowed to use our MP3s/Ipods (atleast where I live)

And we are allowed to have our cellphones on us at all times. (But we cant use em just for calling friends)

Neither do we have School IDs:P

[Miss Murder]

To much freedom is bad.If you give usfreedom were gonna end having sex in the hallway.

[Reneto]

i think my teenage time all in another time, i never get freedom, because in my place the rules so strong so i must follow the rule, if i`m not follow the rules i will get punisment from my school or from my parents....but i always feel this rules week not thinking so hard to the rules.....

[Twister1352]

nah, too much freedom is bad, cuz as teens we tend to be more reckless and stuff, so without rules the whole sch will prob be like a zoo >_<:

thats why as we grow up, the rules gets mroe lax and lax and slowly achieve freedom.


^ is 100% right, they need to give us more and more freedoms as we go, so we know the rules and when the right times to use them are... ect or else school would just be anarchy :o

[Olrox]

That really depends on the students. Here if you respect the teachers, don't screw around too much and get things done, they'll treat you with respect also. No uniforms, they don't mind if you drink soda/eat during class, your allowed to listen to music, you can go to the store during breaks, anwser your phone during class (as long as you don't do it too often) etc. Everyone in the class is 16 or 17 years old.

Basically we're fair to the teachers and they're fair to us, it's a good system and makes school alot less frustrating and more fun for all of us.

[dash142]

Okay, my school has stupid rules that really serve no purpose at all like:

Tuck in our shirts (... We can still hide guns there and stuff... just not as many.)
Clear Mesh Backpack: (Very retarded, yet we can have duffle bags that aren't see through.)
Boys hair can't be longer than whatever... (I don't see the point... at all. I can see just fine when my hair is long, and if I don't I just move it out of the way. Stupid.)
No facial hair: (This is a very stupid rule. I'm almost positive that whoever made this one up must of not been able to grow any. Why else would it exsist? Teachers can tell who is and isn't a teacher, and all students carry a backpack or bag with them. Teachers don't. Freaking stupid.)

The no i-pod and cellphone thing is stupid too, and they shouldn't be completely forbidden. When the teacher isn't talking, and we are working we should be allowed to listen to them. The cell-phone thing, as long as it's not for calling friends we should be allowed to use it.

[Guy]

In my school, iPods are forbidden (although people bring them anyways). We are allow to use cellphones only at lunch.

Rules exist to be obeyed, not to be broken, and I really don't see how is it unfair. Society will always have rules; without rules, it would be total anarchy, so I don't mind rules as long as they are fair.

[Reneto]

yeah in my school all electronic thing can`t use, if you use it your electronic thing . the teacher will be take it from you and never back to you again..........so i never can listen to the music in school although in break time......what asuck rules is this......i hope in the future i can her the music in any time

[SLVR]

I heard that before and Im fine with that as long as nothing gets out of hand such as fighting violence and drugs and sex everyware. Most teens I know dont listen to the stuff their peers say and make their own choices so I do not see why they shouldnt get freedom as long as it is on the line or laws and rights.

[Jeggo]

I.. do not follow the school rules.. But i do not suggest doing this.. lols ~_-...

Anyway , i believe following rules is some kind of a.. ''lesson''. We are taught to obey some things. It helps people mature e.t.c... But still rules are quite stupid sometimes...I recommend you guys to follow those rules , but dont overdo it....

[Lmon]

i think that they should get some freedom

[dash142]

Guy_Sacae, rules ARE meant to be broken. It's the law that we're supposed to follow. We don't need rules, just laws.

[Sushi]

@ dash: I don't see how rules and laws differ. You should obey both, unless it is something completely ridiculous.

As for student freedom? School is a place to learn, not have field day. It's not a building for kid's to just do whatever they please. Cell phones should be allowed for safety purposes, and an ipod isn't bad as long as you're not listening to it during class.

[Sub.Shinigami]

Yep, too much freedom is bad. ANd Yet we cause havoc even with all the rules we have right now. If they set us free from all the rules, there'd be nothing but dead bodies flying everywhere. I just don't agree with uniforms, they suck.

[Jay3205]

Teenagers are fine with the current amount of "freedom and priority" they get in school (in the U.S.). If the rules were significantly lessened, there would be a whole lot more trouble and chaos than there is now. The only problem is that many rules in school are made in response to a few troublemakers that in turn affect everyone (i.e. 2 kids cheat through cell phones, hence they are banned).

It's the law that we're supposed to follow. We don't need rules, just laws.There's no real difference in meaning. The word "law" is defined by the word, "rule".

[Mr.Blunt]

The current rules enforced in K-12 are fine.

There's no big problem, there are just some of those that stand out with bad behavior that needs to be straightened out.

[FaerieRose]

Too much freedom can be a bad thing. I'd rather they have guidelines than no guidelines at all. No one would ever learn anything if there were no rules or priorities for them to deal with in the long run.

[Hitsugaya Toshirou]

im not sure on the whole freedom thing but we should at least be able to go to the bathroom without having to ask permission