suicidal bombing??

[Kamy]

everyone knows what it means,
so what my question is, isn't it forbidden by all religions and those who do it go straight to hell?

and yes this came to me by the news of Iraq

[*kaname*]

Some religions worship martyrs.

And don't forget the incredible poverty in those countries. Life must be really bad, if dying is better than living.

[Kimochi]

for my religion suicide is forbidden . uu get 100% sins if uu do that . but some of us just wanna run away from all those trouble . they kill themselves . but what they don't know is that more problems arise on the afterlife .

for the Iraq thing , i think they do that to honor their names in those groups they are in . in doing that they kill people that surrounds them .

[Kalashnikov]

Ok - people who do suicide bombings (especially in iraq) are cowards.

all these people who are doing these bombings thinking that they will gain "honour" or whatever are stupid - most of the people who do these bombings are people who have been brainwashed by terrorist groups.

I feel really strong about this subject since ive been to iraq and seen a suicide bombing and i was badly hurt in one. the scene i was in was horrible and i will never forget it for the rest of my life.

the thing is - the suicide bombing i saw wasnt even aimed at any sort of "enemy" - it was aimed at innocent people just in their daily life routine. now only a coward could even think about mass murdering people like that.

now i'm a muslim - and i believe all these people will be judged when they die - and it isnt going to be so good for them.

[zembu]

when those people get in those cars and blow themselves up they think that they are doing what they are doing for their god and for the glory of their god and that they will go directly to heaven

[Vampyrelord]

In my opinion, suicide bombing is nothing short of blasphemy. It's blasphemous to assume that if you kill loads of innocent people you'll be able to just stroll into heaven and say "Hello God. Where are my virgins?"

Cowards. Still, there's a lot of anger in Muslim communities right now, and Israel and America hold most of the responsibility.

[Neve]

I'm sure they're cowards from our points of view, because they're doing what we percieve to be 'evil', and also because all our stupid leaders tell us to hate suicide bombers because it means they have an excuse to go ahead and bomb innocent countries who happen to have oil under the banner of 'War on Terror'. However, good and evil aren't that easy to define, since they differ depending on the person.

Look at it from the point of view of the suicide bomber. The suicide bomber is absolutely convinced that what they are doing is good. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it. There does not exist a person who is prepared to die for something that he believes is evil - the mere fact that they are doing it is concrete proof that they believe it is good. And since they are prepared to die for what they believe is 'good', they must be infinitely better than any of us. Ask yourself - would you be prepared to die for what you believed was good?

The fault lies not with them, for their only problem is that their moral code is wrong. However, we do not teach ourselves morals. We learn it from those around us - superiors, parents, teachers etc. Vamps: is it their fault that they have been taught that they will go directly to heaven if they suicide bomb? They will have been taught from birth that the morally right thing to do is to die in order to cause terror in the evil corrupt American nation. The fault for this, of course, lies with America for planting the seeds of hatred at the beginning by trying to act as the 'World's Police Force', and at the same time taking what they want when they want.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as an evil person, but that's probably a little off the topic of this debate, and besides, I'd have to write loads in order to argue that, and I'm feeling too lazy to do that :P.

[Liete87]

Blowing up others for the sake of some diety is stupid. If there was really some sort of all powerful and all knowing being out there do you think he would want you to blow up innocents in his name? My guess is probably not. "Oh allah I just blew up a bunch of innocent civilians bless me with eternal happiness!"

If there is some sort of afterlife, these guys arent going anywhere but hell.

[Kyouka Suigetsu]

I'm sure they're cowards from our points of view, because they're doing what we percieve to be 'evil', and also because all our stupid leaders tell us to hate suicide bombers because it means they have an excuse to go ahead and bomb innocent countries who happen to have oil under the banner of 'War on Terror'. However, good and evil aren't that easy to define, since they differ depending on the person.

Look at it from the point of view of the suicide bomber. The suicide bomber is absolutely convinced that what they are doing is good. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it. There does not exist a person who is prepared to die for something that he believes is evil - the mere fact that they are doing it is concrete proof that they believe it is good. And since they are prepared to die for what they believe is 'good', they must be infinitely better than any of us. Ask yourself - would you be prepared to die for what you believed was good?

The fault lies not with them, for their only problem is that their moral code is wrong. However, we do not teach ourselves morals. We learn it from those around us - superiors, parents, teachers etc. Vamps: is it their fault that they have been taught that they will go directly to heaven if they suicide bomb? They will have been taught from birth that the morally right thing to do is to die in order to cause terror in the evil corrupt American nation. The fault for this, of course, lies with America for planting the seeds of hatred at the beginning by trying to act as the 'World's Police Force', and at the same time taking what they want when they want.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as an evil person, but that's probably a little off the topic of this debate, and besides, I'd have to write loads in order to argue that, and I'm feeling too lazy to do that :P.

You have a highly idealized view of human beings. When it comes down to it, some people are clearly evil. There are induviduals out there who just derive sheer pleasure from harming and oppressing others. Many of them weren't even abused as children or don't even qualify as insane; they simply find the more base instincts of their humanity favorable over more harmonious thoughts. They are negative factors that harm humanity and thus should be dealt with. I know this sounds cruel, but you don't give mercy to those who have none.

Also, how does the fault lie with America for the actions of terrorists? I'm an American and I don't agree with what my country does, but that doesn't give me the right to go on a killing spree aimed at all the politicians I think are responsible. Accountability lies with the induvidual who performs an action. Are all of those terrorists suddenly exempt from their actions because somebody told them to kill for a cause or they felt like it?! That's simply another pathetic thing about human beings. Studies have shown that most don't want to accept responsibility for what they do and like to find scapegoats for their actions. People have the ability to make decisions for themselves. If we lacked this trait, then we would be nothing more than animals.

[Guy]

I think suicide is ok, as long as you don't physically hurt any innocents. I do not agree with jihadists about suicide bombing at all. How is killing innocents suppose to glorify one's god?

[EnzJon]

I don't think that it's right to just blow yourself and other people up just because you think that it's good. But if they didn't think that it was good, they wouldn't do it. (Well, most of them, anyway).


BUT!


Is it their fault for not knowing that it's not good? They are being taught this stuff from their birth. I think that if America really wanted to stop all the hating and dying in Iraq and those other places over there they should come up with a plan to "reteach" good values to their new generation. Would it really hurt to have people with the American government teach proper morals at schools? Sure, they'd be in danger, but that's nothing a heavily-armed police squad couldn't handle.

If we really want them to become better people, we need to show them how. You can't just expect a three-year-old to automatically know how to write the alphabet. You have to show him or her how.



--EnzJon

[elendil15900]

I think that if America really wanted to stop all the hating and dying in Iraq and those other places over there they should come up with a plan to "reteach" good values to their new generation

What determines good and evil? our morals right? so what makes our morals better then theirs? the fact that our morals are different from theirs? or that our morals say that they are wrong?
Your basically telling them to change their way of life, and thats why you have war.

[James Cizuz]

It's not religions that like martyrs it's religious followers. And yes, all religions have millions upon millions who love martyrs that would kill themselfs to insue fear into the innocent. It's not just the muslims.

When you have a place where everyone lives in poverty. Then a religious man comes to you, and says blow yourself up and we will take care of your family, and if you don't do it, we will kill you anyone and kill your family. Any sane person would say yes, as they would be seen as a hero, family being taken care of, and they would of died anyway.

That is what happens over there, of course most news, or other sources that report sucide bombing don't try to explain why they do it.

It's not a right thing to do suicide, but it's there only choice.

As for normal suicide, i'm not against the people that do it. but they do leave more pain then what they try to fix.

[Alex26]

What determines good and evil? our morals right? so what makes our morals better then theirs? the fact that our morals are different from theirs? or that our morals say that they are wrong?
Your basically telling them to change their way of life, and thats why you have war.

i completly agree with you, plus, their religion promotes equal rights between woman and man, and their religion doesnt forces you to only believe their religion, as opposed to others religions that says "if u dont believe on X God and on our story, ull go to hell", ill say, they are moraly better than most of us O_O

anyway, they do suicidal bombings etc because as james said, they are forced to, even now (yes, present, yr 2007) they are being discriminated and forced to convert to other religions, even saddam tried to get rid of them too, we need to first search for motives to be able to judge others, and thats one thing we always fail to do, then we end up making up wrong conclusions about others,and this applies to every aspect on life...

ooh, and i dont know about the religion of Japan, but i guess it isnt forbidden for them(if its to defend the country etc), remember Pearl Harbor and the kamikaze? also Islam allows you to kill because it suppodsly helps you get rid of bad tempations (commiting sins)... now suiciding cause you have too many bills... dont know if thats allowed on any religion O_O

[malfuncti0n]

I think that suicide bombers are definitely cowards. They have no idea what they are doing either. In my opinion, suicide bombers are also idiots with no respect for others.
There not nessecarly cowards, they just seem to be supremly misguided. They are either extremely nationalistic (japan in WW2 for example) or extremely devoted to their cause to the point they will disobey all logic and do anything.

Regardless of all that it is usually seen as an underhanded tactic and in my utmost opinion stupid on the case of those commiting these such actions.

And im not even going to dwelve into any of the religious aspects here or what they deem right or wrong as i dont care what religion forbids or what it doesnt, as i am not religious in the slightest.

[Hiyuu Tatsuma]

there is not ting wrong with it it just shows how much some loves there country and how desperate they are
the only thing you will never see any Irish person do that for Ireland

[Guy]

I don't think so. If suicide bombing involves military stuff, then fine, but suicide bombing is wrong and hypocratical if targeted at innocents.

[tracysw]

Homicide Bombing, for that is what it really is because these guys are not Kamikaze fighters at all, Kamikaze is a whole different concept, just goes to show how religious zealotry has once again reaed it's ugly head.
More peolpe have been tortured, maimed and killed in the name of religion than for any other reason in history practically. I know that's a pretty broad statement but if you take into account all the bad that has been done in the name of God or Allah it becomes pretty clear.
I wouldn't be afraid to say that the human race has lost more knowledge due to organised religion and the people who warp and twist it than for any other reason also.
Homicide Bombers regretfully are people who have been twisted by their religious leaders into waging war on everyone who doesn't see things their way. It's got nothing to do with nationalism or pride in their country or any of that rhetoric it all boils down to several old men being able to convince these young people that the greatest thing they can do is go kill a bunch of infidels and the best way to do that is to wrap a bunch of explosives around themselves and push the button when they are in the middle of a bazaar or a hospital or outside a mosque or a church or synagogue.
The Persian empire used to be one of the most learned areas in the world but due to the influences of religion for the most part in my opinion they have put themselves back into the stone age.
Suicide in my opinion, not counting the people who have a medical disorder and haven't been diagnosed, Is the way of a selfish coward who doesn't think of anything but himself. Those people who get into situations that they just can't seem to see a way out and just off themselves are just pitiful excuses for human beings. They won't take responsibility for their actions and don't want to face the consequences. So they just end it for themselves and let their survivors try to make some sense out of it. The idiots who kill themselves and their wives and kinds when they find out she's been cheating on him oh please give it a rest they are warped individuals.
I guess I could go on and on but suicide is a gutlees alternative to living out your life and making the best of it. Homicide bombers aremisguided fools who have their parents and older family members to thank for not setting the example and guiding them in a better path in life.
Tracy

[7th captin]

Ok - people who do suicide bombings (especially in iraq) are cowards.

all these people who are doing these bombings thinking that they will gain "honour" or whatever are stupid - most of the people who do these bombings are people who have been brainwashed by terrorist groups.

I feel really strong about this subject since ive been to iraq and seen a suicide bombing and i was badly hurt in one. the scene i was in was horrible and i will never forget it for the rest of my life.

the thing is - the suicide bombing i saw wasnt even aimed at any sort of "enemy" - it was aimed at innocent people just in their daily life routine. now only a coward could even think about mass murdering people like that.

now i'm a muslim - and i believe all these people will be judged when they die - and it isnt going to be so good for them.


i totally agree with you ali since i see the suicidal bombing thing can really end up hurting both sides and the the thing that is happening in iraq is really awful.

honur means that you do something noble like defending your country or something like that . not killing inoccent people who are powerless and didn't do anything.

in islam if you killed an innocent soul without a justifiying reason you will burn in hell for all eternity(a justifying reason is that you killed him because he is going to kill or doing something that leads to the death of a person)

out of the topic:

when you said that you have experienced horror . i have the same experience like you when saddam husain (god curse him) invaded kuwait i saw in front of my house a woman being raped to death by saddam's soliders and there is a time when one of my uncle neighbours was captured then they returned him to his family but when the door opened he was shot in the head and told his family that they should pay the bill for the bullet , and not to mention they searched my house twice cuz they suspected that my dad was giving some ammunitions to the ressistance.

[inocho]

Look at it from the point of view of the suicide bomber. The suicide bomber is absolutely convinced that what they are doing is good. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it. There does not exist a person who is prepared to die for something that he believes is evil - the mere fact that they are doing it is concrete proof that they believe it is good. And since they are prepared to die for what they believe is 'good', they must be infinitely better than any of us. Ask yourself - would you be prepared to die for what you believed was good?

You can't dismiss the possibility that they are desperate enough to do that.


The fault lies not with them, for their only problem is that their moral code is wrong. However, we do not teach ourselves morals. We learn it from those around us - superiors, parents, teachers etc. Vamps: is it their fault that they have been taught that they will go directly to heaven if they suicide bomb? They will have been taught from birth that the morally right thing to do is to die in order to cause terror in the evil corrupt American nation. The fault for this, of course, lies with America for planting the seeds of hatred at the beginning by trying to act as the 'World's Police Force', and at the same time taking what they want when they want.

Agree. Moral code/how they are brought up believing in aka brainwashed.


In my opinion, there is no such thing as an evil person, but that's probably a little off the topic of this debate, and besides, I'd have to write loads in order to argue that, and I'm feeling too lazy to do that :P.
I disagree. As long as humans are greedy, selfish and wants the easy way out, there will always be evil in them, sooner/later. Pride also.