[Spoiler] Bounto

[Xaimas]

I searched, but could not find a similar thread, correct me if im wrong


Before i believed the Shinigami and the Hollows to be the most coolest of the Bleach characters but i was mistaken, the Bounto are most certainly more superior, the dolls are far better than the zanpaktou (spelling?) because they are more intelligent have have more battle abilities, a Zanpaktou has two stages of power, while dolls can have as many as 20 different moves, also the leader of the Bounto Kariya, may not be as evil as Aizen but he is better in the respect that he fights to seek revenge on the Shinigami for damming him and the other Bounto into eternal torture, and you cant really blame the Bounto for that can you, sure the consume human souls, and because of that you can class them as "evil", but both good and evil are points of view and there is no universal understanding of the two.

Agree, disagree, discuss Bounto, post your favorite Bounto and/or doll, in this thread.

[blackfox]

I thought Kariya Jin was lame until he finally showed us what his doll was. It seemed like he was just power hungry until he actually told us why he attacked Soul Society.

Anyways Kariya Jin is my favorite Bounto and i love his doll, too.

[don kon]

i didnt really like the bounto arc but at least the bounto had an intresting backstory instead of just being another group of typical anime villians.

i still dont really get how kariya's doll changed but it sure was powerful.

[*kaname*]

Dolls are really powerful, no question. But I don't think dolls are really superior to zanpakutos. It depends on the abilitiy of the user.
Btw the variety of zanpakutos includes also doll-like zanpakutos, for example that fish-zanpakuto of Unohana or Mayuris Bankai.

[Kalashnikov]

I have a feeling this thread is just going to turn into a bounto haters club.

everyone is going to come in - say how much they hate them and go....

i think this thread will be closed soon..

[Xaimas]

Whats so bad about Bounto?

I think they are better than some villains!

[Kalashnikov]

Well - the fact that they were the filler enemies makes people hate them lol

but the fact that they are better than some villains is true =)

[king-kon]

1. the bounto are power full and the dolls are awesome
2.the zanpaktuos are like the dolls win you really come down to it because the shinigami owner can hear them
3.kairaya is a punk becaus e he didn't just want to destroy the shinigami he wanted to kill the bounto to.
4. the big was the coolest he almost like a samuri

[Dima]

I think it could be much worser filler arc as the Bounto arc!

My favorite doll is the water doll of the twin bountos, it was really strong, cause would they grow up and develop they strengh, they would be invincible!

[yendy]

I dont have a fav. bounto, but they are smoe of the best villains.
aslo there dools are so cool.

[Mr.Blunt]

I would have enjoyed watching the bounto filler, if they had at least put in some decent animation and draw quality.

[paulsan2112]

while i'm prolly not alone in stating that i thought the bounto arc was drawn out too long, and generally very boring (opinions!), i did like:

koga's attitude and ethics.
ichigo's fight with koga on earth, b/c hollow form rocks daruku's balls (very punny).
ichinose!
more kon hijinks!
captain fights!
some interesting backhistory (as long as it DID'NT relate to bounts)
ran'tao is kinda hot, in a milfy way...



while most of that is good IMO, it was hard to overlook the storyline (those damn bee things... wtf? stupidarse ishida helping out... etc), the poopy animation, the music, and the fact that everyone wanted to continue with what's next with aizen!

i mean, i for one, didn't feel any sense of urgency when soul society was supposedly on the verge of blowing up. some of the action/storyline picked up once in SS, but it just felt so..... blech... does that make sense?

[Guy]

I didn't like any of the Bountos. I hate Kariya but found him cool to be at times. For me, the filler arc had way too many loopholes. But I guess I should be grateful; there are far worse fillers out there...

[Xaimas]

One of the great things the Bounto filler arc gave us was a fight between Ichinose and Kenpachi, and i LOVE watching kenpachi fight, he is my favorite Bleach character by far, go 11th squad :p

[paulsan2112]

i think it's trendy to HATE the fillers, but for good reason; they suck comparatively. (it's too easy to say bad things about them...)


but yes, the ichinose fight i thought was awsome and underrated.

[Undying]

You want me to start a whole rant on them? I'm not in the mood.

I'll say this though, the zanpaktos represent shinigami's personality. Through a zanpakto you can learn about the person before you, it provides plenty of interesting thinking material, and interesting, meaningful (are they?) discussions.

Bountos are just a bunch of overpowered, shallow, senseless creations. Not to mention they ripped off Pokemon and Digimon.

Now that you mention it btw, Dolls don't have stages of power - they have one stage, one power, and no abilities to speak of.

Let's see:

Kariya:

Doll: Messer

Abilities: using wing and creating lighting through friction.

That's about it. So un, it has 30+ stages of power, right? Plus, show me how can you create friggin' ligfhtning from friction.

Koga:

Doll: Daruku.

Ability: separate itself into a million small metal balls.

Um, 100+ stages of power... Ultimate stage: BATTLE AXE! It makes for great VGcats metrail. Did you see the Bleach parody? "Rat Morning Star"? Stands on the same level.

Orange hair:

Doll: Rizu/Liz

Ability: mind control.

This one has 5437982754389275+ stages of power, a special hidden secret killer move, and a murderous ability to pwnzor everyone. Not to mention it makes for great sex-slaves.

Aside from the last ability I mentioned, it's lame.

Glasses-boy:

Doll: Gessel/Geser/Gezer (BTW, Gezer in Hebrew means carrot).

Ability: shadow manipulation using tarot cards.

The most interesting doll, the only one with any use beside "AHHHH! PWBNZORS, RAT MORNING STAR". And it was still lame, especially since he used it like a two-year-old wielding a gun. Plus, it looked liked shit.

Woman:

Doll: forgot the name. Sword and fan.

Ability: So-called ultimate defence and so-called ultimate attack. Um, ok, so first off all, the only person with (so far) and ultimate attack is Mayuri.

Get in close, you're dead. That's ultimate attack and defence, unlike her sword and fan combo (which sucks badly).

Plus, she's as shallow as any - even worse than most Bounto - because she doesn't even want anything. I bet that if someone was to lay her she'd be more interesting.

Oh and I almost forgot... this one has 89423758932759834*2 stages of power, plus 12374376832907532489750*9 abilities, eh?

Yoshino:

Doll: Geitei (Gaytay :p).

Ability: deviod of weak points.

Ok, let's see. This one's filled with so many power levels and hidden techniques it's deadly. Ohh, and yeah, it's just so lame. I mean, devoid of weak points, but all you have to do is kill Yoshino.

Devio od weak points my ass.

Sanek-dude:

Doll: snake thingy.

Ability: to form snakes of anything he imagines.

Ok, so basically all you have to do - OMG it's just so hard to figure out! - is to stab his dirty neck and be finished.

And his doll's the deadliest - it has an infinite number of techniques, power levels, and other such instruments.

I believe I covered all of them.

At any rate, you're really comparing peeps like Urahara, Ichigo, Byakuya, Yamamoto, Ukitake, Shunsui, Yoruichi, Isshin, Ryuuken, and other people with this level of coolness to dirt like Bounto? Man, you need treatment.

[paulsan2112]

that's pretty much it. there really isn't very much redeeming about the bounto. the arc had a few highlights, but otherwise pretty lame.

[Undying]

Oh yeah, and about the Kenopachi and Ichinose fight - compare that to Ichigo VS Kenopachi fight.

The level, the beat, the adrenaline. Ichigo VS Kenpachi had a hunderfold the Kenpachi VS Ichinose fight.

Not to mention, Ichinose really messed with his zanpaktp. The ability is ok, but the last resort thing messed it basly. It should have been his bankai - it was good enough to be, as much a ripoff from Tousen it is - but it was just his shikai. Lame.

And he's too shallow. He's just shallow. All he did was blindly take orders from Kariya and even at the end, where he went all goody goody and resolved against Zaraki it didn't have the same power as Ichigo's fight, or Tousen's, or Komamura's against Kenpachi.

[Xaimas]

You forgot the old man with the whale thing that can travel through dimensions and swallow stuff, and i think Bounto are better than SOME not all Shinigami -_-

[paulsan2112]

as expected of an ex-Lt.! bankai might be out of his reach... he wasn't a captain, but a strong Lt., and maybe somewhere in between as far as power level. of course, if he stayed in the gotei 13, he would probably have a bankai by now.


i don't think it was THE BEST fight, but worth watching tho...

he was definately immature as far as goals and ethics, but why develope him so much when he didn't have that much air-time, and they knew he was just around long enough to get killed.


the ability to influence light was cool, imo. stealth mode (at least in terms of visability, not nec. reatsu) was useful.
I think his zanpaketo was a ripoff of aizen's shikai and tossen's bankai. he can use it to fool people, if at least on the surface vision-wise, and not in the mind. you don't know exactly from which direction he will attack, since there seems to be a lag from where you last saw him due to bending light. then the obvious ripoff in the form of the light dome. all light instead of all dark. kenpachi always ends up in domes...


i wish he would have been kept around longer and developed. i would much rather have him left over from the bounto, than cloudo and company. the problem is finding a use for him while still following manga canon. plus, i like anything surrounding kenpachi and the dynamic he has with those arround him.

[Undying]

They should have never introduced him or got rid of him right at the start.

As for the whale guy:

Ability: travel through dimensions and eat a lot of stuff.

That one has even more power levels than the snake dude, infinity*2! And so many layers to it, it's amazing. It's the shallowest of them actually, most overpowered, and most senseless.

Space-time manipulating opponents are tough to beat, but damn, how stupid can you be to figure out Mayuri's strategy.

And no, Bounto are in no way better than any shinigami that matters, nor cooler.

Why did I want bankai so much, is because I think that it would have tuned the fight up. A more interesting, longer fight instead of Ichinose trying to be Kenshin >.<.

[paulsan2112]

They should have never introduced him or got rid of him right at the start.

... ... ...

Why did I want bankai so much, is because I think that it would have tuned the fight up. A more interesting, longer fight instead of Ichinose trying to be Kenshin >.<.

haha, to each their own. i agree they shouldn't have done his storyline and powers half-ass.

but i do appreciate backstory, even if that's just me.


i would have much rather seen a longer fight, i agree, with the two than the bounto nonsense.

[Kalashnikov]

i knew this thread was going to turn into a fight between bounto haters and bounto lovers.

well if you guys ask for my opinio. - i hated the bounto arc - it was boring
but the Ichinose and Kenpachi fight was good - i'd say the best thing that happened in the arc.

[Pyramus]

but the Ichinose and Kenpachi fight was good - i'd say the best thing that happened in the arc.


The best part in my opinion.... was when it ENDED!!!!!!!!!!! The entire arc was just basically about revenge, and a troubled past! The bounto arc was like every other kind of Samuri type anime out there! Also, WHY did That ex-lt(Forgot the name) have to come back! At least kariya pwned him! But he suddenly deided not to follow Kariya! I think that Zarakis shikai is "Changing peoples opinions on the matter!"

Im so gald that we r back to the new arc! but WHY r the STUPID dolls there! therye usesless now! Th3ey have left bleach scarred!!!!!!

Phew! thats my little rant!

[Undying]

I don't mind people liking the Bounto arc, I'm just shooting down wrong facts.

the dolls are far better than the zanpaktou (spelling?) because they are more intelligent have have more battle abilities
Shot down by me :p.
a Zanpaktou has two stages of power, while dolls can have as many as 20 different moves
Shot down by me, too :p.
also the leader of the Bounto Kariya, may not be as evil as Aizen but he is better in the respect that he fights to seek revenge on the Shinigami for damming him and the other Bounto into eternal torture, and you cant really blame the Bounto for that can you, sure the consume human souls, and because of that you can class them as "evil", but both good and evil are points of view and there is no universal understanding of the two.
Kariya didn't seek revenge on the shinigami because the shinigami damned the Bounto, he did it because he's a slefish bastard.

He's no better than Aizen, Aizen is true evil, Kariya is just a selfish ass.

As for consuming human souls, Hollow do the same don't they? And they are evil. Same for Boutno. They are evil because they consume others to prolong their own lives.

Selfishness happens to be bad, no matter how you look at it. Especially when it hurts others. This happens to be one of the universal definitions of good and evil.

There, done shooting down your facts.

[Emperor Knives]

I think the Bounto arc was pretty good for a filler arc. The Bleach production team did a pretty good job on the fillers. Kariya's my favorite Bounto by the way. He seemed to be the most calm when fighting and he never let much of his guard down. He also had this interesting persona.

[h0f5]

"for a filller arc"

are you comparing it to naruto fillers or are you comparing it to the rest of the fillers? Some fillers are good, mind you. kariya's the typical stereotype kill the whole world muahaha villian. The filler arc's only redeeming factor was that they tried to show the taking over of the hollow side of ichigo, but since that only happened in one episode out of the what, 40 episodes of fillers, they fail.

[Emperor Knives]

I'm comparing it to most fillers including the Naruto fillers. It wasn't good in the sense that it actually brought utmost excitement but it was enough to actually make me want to finish the story.