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captainmawaluigi
02-13-2007, 07:10 AM
IF Ichigo learns some actual attacks, besides Getsuyga.....do you think he could beat whomever is thrown at him?

He is like the only guy with no techniques, he doesnt even learn flash step, he just gets a Bankai that does it for him. And his second form of Getsuyga is just stronger, instead of learning a new type of attack, or some mode that his sword can do, he learns that he is so strong his own power would crush his bones.

So my question is, will Ichigo learn a new attack, what will it be, and once he does, who can stop him?

jonat3
02-13-2007, 07:23 AM
Ichigo does know flashstep. He learned it while training for bankai. He doesn't need bankai to use flashstep.

As for Ichigo's other techniques, they will most certainly be pure energy based.

Innate
02-13-2007, 06:29 PM
Did you miss Ichigo's hollow using the Zanpakutou with the sash? I'd say that classes as some form of technique since Ichigo didn't even think he could use it like that.
Besides it's refreshing that he doesn't have to rely on special techniques and jus beat the hell outta his opponent man to man.

jonat3
02-13-2007, 06:39 PM
It's not a shikai technique, though. I was strictly referring to his shikai abilities. Those tend to be stronger than the sash technique Shirosaki used.

Undying
02-13-2007, 07:29 PM
What do you mean "real attacks besides getsuga"? Getsuga is plenty powerful ability.

The question is how you use it. Tensa Zangetsu is build for one hit-kill moves. It doesn't need anything beside Getsuga and speed.
As for shikai, it just needs the sash and the attack: fling it right to the opponent and blow them away, or block their attack and baslt them away.

It doesn't need anything more.

Momentum
02-14-2007, 03:53 AM
Err I don't think Ichigo needs any other attacks or else he'll just become too powerful which will make Bleach boring...

Omega_Sephiroth
02-14-2007, 04:15 AM
His Getsuga Tenshou actually changes quite a bit while in Bankai. He's just not really used to it, whereas Ogichi or whatever his name is knows it pretty well. If you notice it, besides being black of course, it doesn't necessarily travels in a straight line, Ichigo can guide it to different places after he fires it. And who says he doesn't know flashsteps? He learned it from Yoruichi when he was training to achieve Bankai. And like everyone else said he doesn't really need more techniques, he needs to use them better that's all. I kinda wish he could make his zanpakuto go to a normal sized katana like most others, you know how captains control the size of it bla bla bla...I'm curious to see what the shikai phrase would be.

jonat3
02-14-2007, 04:29 AM
I believe that yoruichi didn't teach Ichigo flash step. I think he learned it naturally. Yoruichi was basically concentrating on supplying the artifact with energy and was only watching Ichigo from afar. Besides, Ichigo was busy training for bankai and time was of the essence. He spend all his time fighting against Zangetsu. He had no time to concentrate on extra lessons.

BabyLoving
02-14-2007, 10:46 AM
Youruichi DIDN'T teach Ichigo flashstep. It was Ichigo who learnt it himself. And I think it is kinda amazing that he learns a skill that other people did not taught him. Because the sword's attacks were trained by Urahara and Youruichi, while the attacks were taught by Zangetsu, right? So, I think if consider him as weak now, wait, and soon he will so much much stronger.

And regarding the matter that Ichigo was such strong powers that it could crush his bones part, I believe it is because it was the first few times that Ichigo used his bankai, so he doesn't know how to control the strength much yet.

Main point: Give him some time, and all his flaws would be gone, one by one. (:

h0f5
02-14-2007, 11:04 AM
shounen is all about getting stronger, your opponent gets stronger, you get even stronger, your opponent gets even stronger and so on. Theres no "too strong".

He's using getsuga tenshou pretty creatively if you ask me, especially during the Doldoni battle, where he both used long range getsuga tenshou as well as short ranget getsuga tenshou

blackfox
02-14-2007, 03:23 PM
Ichigo's attacks are very powerful indeed, but it would cool to see if he ever got another technique for using his zanpakutoh to make Ichigo even stronger. Until then, i like watching his Getsuga Tenshou in bankai because it seems so powerful.

Atrias
02-14-2007, 06:18 PM
Getsuga Tenshou is plenty awesome... I wouldn't say he needs to learn any particular other moves, sure they'd be awesome and you can bet that he will learn others if given time, but its not strictly necessary to make him better or to enable him to take on other opponents, he's strong enough \ becoming strong enough to enable that anyway (and his attitude more than makes up for times when he cant)

Just my 2 pence!

Undying
02-14-2007, 08:04 PM
He doesn't need new moves, really. What's better than one hit kill moves? He enters, stabs, blasts, and retreats. The beauty of simplicity.

Shercko
02-14-2007, 08:24 PM
One may wonder how strong Getsuga is in comparison to a Cero or that attack used by Urahara in ep 114. Hmm..

Undying
02-14-2007, 09:04 PM
True, but, remember that the Getsuga's power is determined by Ichigo's power level, not by the amount of tehcniques he can use.

Therefore, if Ichigo grows stronger, so will the Getsuga.

And also, the Getsuga is plenty strong, he gave Grimmjow quite the scar with a hardly developed one.

jonat3
02-15-2007, 12:03 AM
The getsuga could take out most opponents. But i think Ichigo DOES need to learn some new moves. For example, he couldn't beat the sand hollow he faced in HM. The getsuga was ineffective against it. A new type of attack would be necesary in order to take down such a hollow. And i'm pretty certain he cant hope to take on Aizen's hypnosis without a few new techniques to counter it.

Omega_Sephiroth
02-15-2007, 01:37 AM
Youruichi DIDN'T teach Ichigo flashstep. It was Ichigo who learnt it himself.

Well, I kinda just assumed, since she is the "goddess" of flash right, then again we don't really know for sure because no one that I can remember said how he learned (unless I missed it). But the point was just that he did learn it, that's all I wanted to say ;).

KeitaroAZN™
02-15-2007, 03:05 AM
Yoruichi taught him how to use Shunpo so he could fight against Byakuya....He learned Getsuga Tenshou by himself though.

malakye459
02-15-2007, 03:18 AM
Yoruichi taught him how to use Shunpo so he could fight against Byakuya....He learned Getsuga Tenshou by himself though.

ya, it is possible that later he can gain a new attack with his bankai, other than his kuroi (black) getsuga tenshou, which is pretty much more powerful than the normal one.

jonat3
02-15-2007, 03:26 AM
Yoruichi taught him how to use Shunpo so he could fight against Byakuya....He learned Getsuga Tenshou by himself though.

Lik i already said, Yoruichi didn't have time to teach Ichigo ANYTHING. Ichigo was on a race against the clock to train for his bankai. And Ichigo is also seen as only fighting against Zangetsu. Most likely, he learned shyunpou the same way he learned the getsuga.

malakye459
02-15-2007, 03:32 AM
Lik i already said, Yoruichi didn't have time to teach Ichigo ANYTHING. Ichigo was on a race against the clock to train for his bankai. And Ichigo is also seen as only fighting against Zangetsu. Most likely, he learned shyunpou the same way he learned the getsuga.

Ya it does seem right. probably, Ichigo knowing that he didnt have that much time to gain his Bankai, learned it while he was fighting.

ginjixx
02-15-2007, 08:24 AM
i think he would learn new techniques soon.... i hope so... because its just that he onli got 1 technique.....

BabyLoving
02-15-2007, 12:33 PM
Yes! That's what I have been trying to say. And I remain my stand, Ichigo is strong, great and determined. If he wants to, he can be able to do whatever he wants. So, just trust that he will improve on his moves and perhaps even create more moves. But, to make things clear, I feel that even if he doesn't learn anything new, I think that he should not be defamed or anything. (:

malakye459
02-15-2007, 09:51 PM
Well in The rolling star opening i think at the end Ichigo unleashes something that looks kinda like Naruto letting out Kiyubi (Nine tailed demon fox thing) he might learn how to foucs all of his black getsuga into a large blast eventually

Zaenos
02-15-2007, 11:19 PM
Well, this probably doesn't count as a technique, but during the filler episodes in the anime, Ichigo released a series of Getsugas all around his feet at once...

ginjixx
02-16-2007, 01:12 AM
or maybe when time comes ichigo can control his hollow and will be unbeatable........ just close to invulnerable... hehehe or i'm just exagerrating.... but i hope he can control his hollow because that way he can attain the ultimate power

Zaenos
02-16-2007, 01:22 AM
or maybe when time comes ichigo can control his hollow and will be unbeatable........ just close to invulnerable... hehehe or i'm just exagerrating.... but i hope he can control his hollow because that way he can attain the ultimate power
I'm not saying anything here, but I'm guessing you don't read the manga. If you want a link to place that you can read the manga online without downloading chapters, you can just go to Manga Volume...

ginjixx
02-16-2007, 01:28 AM
i read manga, its just that i don't want to include spoiler here.... ^_^

Zaenos
02-16-2007, 01:32 AM
...o.o;;;;;
smart person...
I said nothing!

toshyomu
02-16-2007, 04:11 AM
Ichigo's has plenty of power. i think the problem with him is when he is fighting he doesn't realize his full strength until he is almost dead. but on the other side of that ion the recent episodes he has released bankai right in the beginning of the battle and that might be to soon. he has plenty of power he just doesn't fully know how to use it yet.

BabyLoving
02-16-2007, 04:11 PM
Yep, he is superbly strong. Think of it this way. It doesn't matter how much food you have when you are lost. What matters is how you use it. If he knows how to use his strength, I hope that people wouldn't start doubting him again. ):

Pyramus
02-16-2007, 06:39 PM
Also, if Ichigo did learn a billion ultimate moves, and becomes invincable, then no enemy will be able to defeat him! And that just bad! I want enemys that stand a chance!

toshyomu
02-16-2007, 06:42 PM
ya true this anime would be borring without good fights.

WhiteKiss
02-18-2007, 02:30 AM
I don't know if this is possible but...he could merge the other three methods of fighting into his zanpakutou's abilitiy, or simply make adjustments to Getsuga like how Soi Fon and Mayuri did. Getsuga then might not be very powerful, but at least more flexible in battle.

ginjixx
02-18-2007, 08:41 AM
you got some point out there..... in an instance some thoughts came into my mind that maybe ichigo doesn't need many techniques..... maybe he just need one because getsuga is really powerful that up unitl now he cant get it into a full power or he cant conrol it up to a 100%