Abarai Renji..Captain?

[jmin725]

hey guys, dunno if this topics been brought up but...u guys think renji will replace one of the captains that followed aizen? tousen, gin and aizen himself. do you think he's ready to be captain? which squad? he DOES have bankai..which would qualify him to be one..yet he can't fully utilize its power cuz he just obtained it..any thoughts?

[.Socio]

I think he is perfectly capable of becoming captain, and it is very likely that he will replace one of them, though it depends on if they want him to be captain.

[Undying]

He's not capable of replacing any of the current captains.

Proof? Nobody asked him to do it.

[jmin725]

i personally think i'd be very cool to see renji become a captian of one of those squads. it'd be exciting =D. him wearing that captain cape...nice

[Damascus]

He's not capable of replacing any of the current captains.

Proof? Nobody asked him to do it.

Yet. :D

[Momentum]

Great idea but he needs to learn more things like learn how to use kidou PROPERLY and shunpo... He doesn't even know how to control his bankai properly yet...

[KeitaroAZN™]

In the future it seems that Renji could become a captain...possibly towards the end of the series. But he needs to master his Bankai, and learn some more kidou based attacks.

[Undying]

Yet. :D
Correction: not at all.

[BabyLoving]

Erm, I think Renji definitely has the potential to be a captain, if he trains for another 7-10 years to control his bankai, like Byakuya said. Another thing is that even if they nominated him to be a captain, I think he would refuse. Because I remember in the manga, Renji asked Madarame to be the next captain, and he refuse cause he wanted to beat Kenpachi, and Renji understood what he meant. So I think Renji might be offered to, but he would refuse as he would still want to beat Byakuya.

[sham16]

I think the skills renji has as of the moment would not be enough to carry him all the way to capatain.. As most of you will agree.. First reason is the he still has not mastered his Bankai.. Second He really has to defeat byakuya, since that is the reason that he is in 5th division and last is that he really needs to be nominated by someone with great power maybe Yamamoto himself.. Most likely he would become captain if he would be able to beat Byakuya and become the captain of the 5th division... Like Kenpatchi did but without the killing.

[Habanero]

Because I remember in the manga, Renji asked Madarame to be the next captain, and he refuse cause he wanted to beat Kenpachi, and Renji understood what he meant. So I think Renji might be offered to, but he would refuse as he would still want to beat Byakuya.

Just a little correction. Ikkaku doesn't want to be captain because he wants to be under Zaraki's command. No intentions of killing him :)

[blackfox]

Renji has no chance to become a captain at his current level. His skills just don't equal that of captain's level. Although he does have bankai doesn't mean he should be a captain.

[Setsuna Ai]

Just because renji was able to materialize his zanpakuto doesn't mean he achieved and mastered all of what needs to be mastered with his bankai. He will need to complete all the moves and master it 100% to be a captain. So renji with his current state and abilities is not fit to be captain...yet

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wow everyone already said what I said..meh delete this if you find it useless xD

[Jay3205]

I'd say he could be a captain now. After all, there are 3 open positions, and very few people are qualified more than Renji to fill them. It would probably be better to have an inexperienced captain than leaderless divisions. Hitsugaya is captain, and his bankai isn't fully controlled yet either.

[Undying]

We've had a talk about this already, I think...

At any rate, I stand by my opinion, currently there is no character capable or willing to replace the missing captains.

[greenmoon666]

There is a really cool fanart of Renji as captain! *looks through folders*

Found it!!!
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/269/renji64okfo4.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=renji64okfo4.jpg)

[malakye459]

Hmmm....Renji as a captain, I could see that. But only like if Byakuya dies in the future. Way in the future. Like when the story is getting to the last episodes.
First of all, he hasnt mastered his Bankai yet, which all captains are required to have. Second, He needs more Kidou based attacks, I've havent really seen him use any demon arts except for the paralysis art which he did like once. Third, Byakuya massacred Renji earlier.

[Jack Daniels]

Who knows..In order to become captain dont you need to be able to use Banki? Well thats one of them and he is the only vice I know of who can use Banki

[malakye459]

Ya but that means that the vice captains of Ichimaru, tousens and Aizens divisions will have to learn Bankai now that they turned against Soul Society.

[ginjixx]

renjie as a captain?? i think he needs more practice in order to be one of those captain..... he is no match against ichigo which is a captain class level and defeated one of them... so maybe renjie would need a lot of hard practice in order to one of those captain...

[Pyramus]

I just cat imagine Rengi, in a white captain cloak! Its weird to imgine him in it! He just dosnt look right!

[Undying]

There is also another reason why Renji will never be captain, because he wants to serve under Byakuya, just like a certain someone else wants to serve under another someone.

[deto]

they should get Isshin, Urahara and Yoruichi to be captains :P

won't happen i know (or think) and it seems the diffs that lost the captains
do ok with the vice captains, so there is no rush to replace them anyway.
compared to other captains renji wouldn't stand a chance i believe. we
have seen how byakuya played with him even tho he had his bankai up.

much to learn renji has in order to be even considered chosen as a captain.

[BabyLoving]

I kinda agree with deto that they should probably make Isshin, Yoruichi and Urahara captains again. Because like Undying said, there really is no one up to the standard to replace the Captains. Ikkaku and Renji may have been able to accomplish Bankai, but that doesn't mean that they are good enough to be captains. Perhaps they would make Isshin, Yoruichi and Urahara temporary captains during this Aizen thing. (: I hope. (:

[Undying]

Not likely, sadly :p. Although I would love to see Isshin and Urahara captains (Yoruichi won't be captain, she's part of a whole another army, the Onmitsu Kido). But since they banished Urahara they probably don't want him back.

Isshin probably just wants to be home and fondle (or try to) Karin and Yuzu.

[KeitaroAZN™]

Hey you never know. Urahara might make something to aid the shinigami in the war against Aizen. but doesnt he get stuff for his store from soul society?

[malakye459]

Wait did the show or manga ever explain what happened to Isshin when he left soul society. Cuz i think zaraki overthrew Ryuuken. but what happened to Isshin?

[Jeem]

Hmm, I agree with what Undying said; Renji probably won't be captain because he wants to serve under Byakuya. He want to serve under Byakuya because he desires to become as strong/stronger than he is. Plus, it is still questionable whether he has enough control of his Bankai to be a useful captain.

The only way I could see Renji being captain is if he ever defeated Byakuya; he'd prove to himself that he was strong (thus accomplishing one of his main goals in life, and giving him one less reason to want to serve under Byakuya), and he'd prove to everyone else that he had the skills needed to be a captain.

[Zaenos]

Well, to all those saying that Renji needs to have mastery over bankai in order to be a captain, technically, you don't even have to have shikai mastered to become a captain. Proof of this is Kenpachi, who doesn't even know his zanpakutou's name. Also, I bet Kenpachi doesn't know anything about Kidou. But, then again, this is for the normal way of becoming captain, which is to defeat the current captain in battle while having I think at least (I'm not sure of the number) 200 peers present to witness the macth. But, then again, this is for the traditional method of attaining captain rank. Besides, Even if he was offered the position, Renji would most likely deny the position, which as was mentioned before, because he want's to defeat Byakuya (did I spell that right? I don't care >.>) to show that he's stronger.

P.S. I have no idea how many spelling errors I've made in this post, and I don't really care, either.

[EndlessSky]

Ok, how did you come with the crazy idea, that Zaraki overthrow Ryuuken. First off, Zaraki KILLED that captain to become a captain. Second, Ryuuken is a QUINCY, meaning he is a human with spiritual powers, and has nothing to do with soul soceity, or shinigamis, let alone being in the goeti 13.

Personally, I wouldn't like to see Renji as a captain, just doesn't fit him in my opinion.

[ginjixx]

ohhhh renjie is like ikkaku who wants to serve a certain someone fo his entire life..... they're just the same, i think.....

[theblack_dragon]

i agree i dont think he is ready for it just maybe after a few years of training he will get into the frame to be one

[tenebrusmke79]

Wait did the show or manga ever explain what happened to Isshin when he left soul society. Cuz i think zaraki overthrew Ryuuken. but what happened to Isshin?

Why would a Quincy be a Shinigami? Ryuuken hates Shinigami.. He'd never go into Soul Society.

Also, Urahara can't go back to Soul Society.. he's been banished, hence when Ichigo goes to Soul Society the first time, Urahara tries the Seikaimon and it rejects him. There's no way that he'll ever be a Captain again, unless he does good for the other shinigami, or if he ever wants to be captain again.

[Undying]

Sigh... Renji wants to serve under Byakuya, regardless if he's stronger than him. It's called respect. Same with Ikkaku, who wants to serve under Zaraki. He might be able to fight some captains equally already, but he just wants to stay under Zaraki.

And no, Renji won't be offered the position due to his lack of control over bankai, and he can't challenge a captain at all (unless it's Hitsugaya, but that's a whole another story), so no, he won't be captain.

[BabyLoving]

Hmmm. I think the only way Urahara, Isshin and Yoruichi can be a captain again is that the General to admit the fact that they are useful towards the Soul Society against Aizen, and un-banish them. LOL. I mean, given a logical person, one would rather have more friends than foes. Same logic. (:

[Pyramus]

Nah, Yanamoto is way to OLD to understaand the simpleness of wht he must do! besides, Yourichi and Ishhin can come back whenever they want, they just left with Urahra, only urahra cant enter SS

[Emperor Knives]

Renji does have what it takes to become a captain now that he has achieved Bankai but I don't think its the right time. Remember Byakuya said that Renji hasn't mastered his Bankai. He can't do much yet as a captain at this state.

[murphyh0206]

i dont know... with his skills i think he could be a captain(the three empty slots)... but there is no chance he could over take any of the other captains...

[jmin725]

well..imo, it's better to put renji as captain for one of those squads. It's better than not having a captain at all. Also, i'm sure him having bankai, he's that much better than the vice captains of those squads who are temporarily leading who don't even have bankai achieved yet. Thus, it would make sense at the end to have someone who has bankai put in posistion over one of those vice captains who don't have bankai.

[Momentum]

well..imo, it's better to put renji as captain for one of those squads. It's better than not having a captain at all. Also, i'm sure him having bankai, he's that much better than the vice captains of those squads who are temporarily leading who don't even have bankai achieved yet. Thus, it would make sense at the end to have someone who has bankai put in posistion over one of those vice captains who don't have bankai.

Renji doesn't know how to use kidou, shunpo and his bankai properly so hes still not good enough to be a captain...

[ginjixx]

yup renjie lacks training and control over his bankai..... byakuya also states that it requires years of training inorder for him to control his bakai accurately... because rejie has a humongous bankai that he needed also a great amount of reiatsu... and at the current state of renjie, he is not ready yet

[sxian]

You can say that Renji can be a Capt. because he has aquired Bankai... But dont forget the rules on becoming a Capt., you must defeat one of the Captain's before becoming one yourself, its not in the Bankai or anything.... Remember Kenpachi? Bankai isnt everything...

[gdo01]

You can say that Renji can be a Capt. because he has aquired Bankai... But dont forget the rules on becoming a Capt., you must defeat one of the Captain's before becoming one yourself, its not in the Bankai or anything.... Remember Kenpachi? Bankai isnt everything...
Kenpachi is an exception. None of the other captains have had to defeat the former captain. All the other captains were either approved by seven captain or showed their bankai to the other captains.

[sxian]

None the less, Renji is not yet capable to be Capt. he just knows how to use bankai but not yet acheived the true potential of Zabimaru.... He needs training...

[Lady Ushio]

If Abarai improves his Shinigami Powers even more, there is the possibility that he will be a Captain in the future. It will take years and years to master his skills. Replacing on which divisions...uhmmm... i'm not sure, but it's too early for that, I think.

[sxian]

Yeah.. he only discovered his bankai recentely, Rigorous training would do, but one problem.. he does not have the time to practice because of all the problems and all, he cannot just leave and practice while soul society is under attack....

[tenebrusmke79]

You can say that Renji can be a Capt. because he has aquired Bankai... But dont forget the rules on becoming a Capt., you must defeat one of the Captain's before becoming one yourself, its not in the Bankai or anything.... Remember Kenpachi? Bankai isnt everything...

What you state is only one of 3 ways, which is expanded upon below.

You would either have to take the captain proficiency test, administered by 3 captains including Yamamoto himself; or you have a personal recommendation from at least 6 other captains and have 3 more vote on the choice; or defeat the previous captain, which is the only way that Zaraki Kenpachi could become captain.

[.Socio]

Yes, tenebrusmke79 is right, and we don't know if Renji is capable of beating Yamamoto's test or if the captain's would recommend him,could very well happen, though somehow i doubt it.

[tenebrusmke79]

Yes, tenebrusmke79 is right, and we don't know if Renji is capable of beating Yamamoto's test or if the captain's would recommend him,could very well happen, though somehow i doubt it.

The chance is there, but it's very slim, i would say that it's like 1 in about 100,000 for him getting the call.. frankly, I would say that Kira, Hinamori, and Hisagi have more of a chance to get captains of their respective divisions.

[davidn15]

renji has potential that's for sure. I think he needs more experience though. A couple more decades with that bankai of his should do it.

[BabyLoving]

eh, I think Renji might pass for the recommendation. But, what matters is, WHAT he wants. He wants to serve under Byakuya, he does not want to be a CAPTAIN. But, Renji definitely has the potential to be a Captain, after twnety years of serious Bankai training.(:

[jmin725]

like someone said already, renji will probably become captain at the end of the bleach series when the series starts wrapping up the whole story and everything comes to a happy ending. lol

[dragonheart]

he could be captain cause he has bankai but he might not have the spirit force required to be a captain and experiance(soz for spelling mistake)

[tenebrusmke79]

he could be captain cause he has bankai but he might not have the spirit force required to be a captain and experiance(soz for spelling mistake)

Not necessarily. The Bankai requirement is only one of three ways to being a captain. Besides, he doesn't want to be captain, he wants to keep going after his goal of surpassing Byakuya.

[Lust]

actually he can but he doesnt want to and the reason is
he want to win byakuya and become far more better than him thus he staying in 6th trying to fulllfill his dream

[kwanzee]

I think renji would make it as captain his bankai is amazing :d

[davidn15]

Not necessarily. The Bankai requirement is only one of three ways to being a captain. Besides, he doesn't want to be captain, he wants to keep going after his goal of surpassing Byakuya.


your right. Renji is set on it. It's been his goal since joining the gotei 13. And about the 3 methods
1) Renji probably couldn't pass yamamoto's exam
2) Renji may not be able to get enough recommendations and approvals
3) Renji first of wouldn't kill a captain just to be captain, and wouldn't be able to do it at his level anyway

[tenebrusmke79]

3) Renji first of wouldn't kill a captain just to be captain, and wouldn't be able to do it at his level anyway

Renji is not like Kenpachi, who loves battling and fighting. He's more tempered after being under the cool, level-headed Byakuya for a time.

[BabyLoving]

Renji might actually get recommended, because Aizen once said that Renji was very likable, so I guess the Captains would actually support Renji. Although Renji might not be cut out to be Captain now, there is no one else to select for the Captain position. You might say, What about Ikkaku Madarame? Well, there are THREE spots of Captain right? So, Ikkaku can be one and Renji can be another. LOL. (:

[AmnesiaI]

I dont think abari is strong enough to a captain. And besides what are the two rules?? You have to defeat that squads captain in front of a crowd or pass a system of tests? Who would he defeat? hmmmm

IMO abari is really weak. (I don't read the magna so please don't make me read anymore details from it lol) right now, but hopefully from staying at uruhara's house from ep 116 he will train and become a lot stronger with his bankai

[BabyLoving]

Nah, you just gotta pass one of the three tests. Just one will do. And I believe davidn15 kinda said them. First, to defeat the current captain infront of a crowd of two hundred. Second, to pass through a series of tests set by Yamamoto. Thirdly, get recommended by the captains and the rest to approve it.

Abarai Renji ain't that weak, if you just judge him with his Bankai. Consider that he actually just learnt it, I would have to say he is quite a fast learner. (:

[Kimochi]

no way . renji can't be captain . totally not in his situation now . he doesnt have the right thing capable of being a captain . he's not that high of a level to be captain . so it's a no no .

[tenebrusmke79]

no way . renji can't be captain . totally not in his situation now . he doesnt have the right thing capable of being a captain . he's not that high of a level to be captain . so it's a no no .

He's the only vice-captain that has a Bankai (Ikkaku is NOT a vice-captain, since he is a third seat and also has a bankai). So, Renji CAN be a captain, it's not that he doesn't have the right, it's that he does not WANT the job.

[Lust]

seat doestn count if you want to become a captain...it count from the other captain opinion bout the person that wanted to become captain

[BabyLoving]

I think at the moment now, it's doesn't really matter if Renji can be Captain. I mean, I think, he can be a Captain but he is not good enough yet. But he can be a Captain now, cause there is a kinda like a shortage of strong people, with Bankai, in Soul Society now.

However, please note that I'm not saying that he will take up the job of a Captain. He doesn't want to be a Captain, but he definitely has the qualities of being one, considering the things Soul Society are going through now. (:

[Lust]

to be precise...in the manga,it does show that he dont want to become a captain cause he wanted to achieved a pointwhich is far more stronger than his captain,byakuya...he train himself behind the shadow of byakuya just to succeed his dream...and as you see he live for his dream

[BabyLoving]

Yeah, thanks for that #>-_Kay_-<. LOL. I didn't know how to put that 'spoiler' thing. So I just said that he will not take up the job as a Captain. But, anyway, thanks! (:

[Lust]

just call me kay and to put on spoiler...
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(remove the * to make the spoiler appear)

[Undying]

To become a captain you need to do one of the three:

1) Bypass an official exam administered by Yamamoto and two more (or was it three more, I'm a little blur on what Tousen said).

2) Be recomended by at least 6 captains and have the agreement of at least three more of the remaining 7

3) Defeat (and most likely, kill) a captain of a division in front of 200 or more division members.

Methods 1 and 2 do not state bankai as a necessary requiermnt, although it is a common consensus that a captain should have bankai, since all captains have bankai already, and most likely, before the current system was initiated, captains were selected according to strength, so if one had bankai, once had enough power to become captain. But that's another story.

At any rate, the ability to use bankai is not a prerequisite, merely a consensus (or was it stated somewhere that it is? I need to reread the manga, my memnory started to fail me lately).

At any rate, it's not just the existence of bankai, it's also the ability to use it properly. Although Renji does have talent and expereince, and he is training, his bankai is young yet, about a few months old. Of course he would not master it compltely within such a short time - personaly, I believe that cases of complte mastery over bankai are rare, possibly including only Aizen (who apparently has complete mastery over all of his abilities, as his main desire was to "go forward", was it not?), and Yamamoto (who would have it by virute of being the strongest in the Gotei) - and therefore, he still cannot defeat a captain who would fight properly (with bankai, and intent to kill).

Also, Renji has to ability with Kido - he has been shown to lack any talent with it in flashbacks, and in a certain manga chapter he has been shown to fail it completly (upon entry into *spoilers*).

In light of that, it is somewhat obvious that nobody will let Renji take captanicy exams, since he simply doesn't fit the bill.

That practically shuts off ways one and two. However, there is another prolem, Renji helped the invasion into Soul Society and basically turned against them. Although in movies they take the consequences into consideration (in this case it was good), but from what it seems, it would appear as though they don't, and this stands against him in the recomendations.

So ways one and two are blocked, and way three is, too, since he can't beat a Captain would would fight for real.

P.S., there is also a need to have 7 more captains for the recomendation, therefore it is assumable that a recomendation can only take place if a captains retires and wishes to nominate someone in his or her stead. (do the math: approval from 6 captains plus recomendation from 7 more (stated by Tousen) 7+6=13). Corrently, there are only 10 captains, hence this path cannot be applied, either.

[jmin725]

very nice. but if i recall..and again i may be wrong..i think you have to have bankai? anyone clarify this?

[tenebrusmke79]

very nice. but if i recall..and again i may be wrong..i think you have to have bankai? anyone clarify this?

I don't think you need to USE Bankai, I think you just have to have the ability to use it, i.e. calling it out and stuff. So far, of all the captains (except those that left), there are only 4 that we have seen use their bankai: Byakuya, Hitsugaya, Kurotsuchi and Komamura. Those four have used their bankai.

[.Socio]

Yes, as tenebruskme said, you don't have to have bankai, but to be a captain you have to have to be able to be powerful enough to handle others bankai, which means you must have bankai yourself or, like kenpachi be strong enough to handle it without bankai!

[EndlessSky]

Although Kenpachi is captain for the sole reason of slaying another captain.

I've said it before and I still can't see Renji being a captain. For me, it just doesn't seem to fit his character and he lacks alot of qualities to be a captain.

[tenebrusmke79]

Although Kenpachi is captain for the sole reason of slaying another captain.

I've said it before and I still can't see Renji being a captain. For me, it just doesn't seem to fit his character and he lacks alot of qualities to be a captain.

It's not that he lacks the qualifications, it's that he does NOT want the position, he's said that were Byakuya to die, or that someone offers him a captain seat, who would he strive to surpass? His only goal, ever since that first meeting between Renji and Byakuya during Renji's time at the academy, was to surpass Byakuya, and no one else. He looks up to Byakuya, and I find that he genuinely cares for what his captain's about. If Renji were to be a captain, he'd probably respectfully decline the offer, and just stay a vice-captain.

[BabyLoving]

Totally super true that Renji doesn't want to be a Captain. And I believe alot of use have said this and repeated the reason over and over again. (: BUT, if Renji had NO choice, I actually think that he might actually be a Captain. His skills and all might not be up to standard yet. However, you gotta see the situation in Soul Society. It is now lacking in stronger people, and there really isn't much choice left. Hence, it's actually possible for Renji to be a Captain, provided that he was NO say over the matter. (:

[EndlessSky]

The only qualites I see that Renji has to be captain is that he has Bankai and that there is a shortage of man-power currently in Soul Society.

I don't think he would be able to lead and manage an entire division due to his personality, impulse desicions and such. I just don't think he would be able to keep calm enough or keep it together, in times of need.

[ginjixx]

i agree to that, renji is not mature enough in order to lead a division... he had that attitude of being aggressive.. and therefore he needs to be fully mature in order to lead.... because being aggressive may cause a fall of a division...

[II Xion II]

You must be joking. Renji is horribly weak, even with bankai. He is owned by everyone he fights, and he associates with Rukia (another weak, useless character) so he must be bad. I mean his shikai has been mocked consistently to the point that it's a freaking joke, and even sub-shikai Ichigo had a field-day with him. On a positive note, all you Hitsugaya fans might be pleased if he becomes captain, because then at least Hitsugaya won't be the weakest anymore. ;)

[Lust]

hmmm weak? probably BUT he did pawn some arrancar...but that didnt proof he can be a captain.....he need to perfect his bankai to be one;)

[Yuffie]

Actually , he can be a captain . Only his Bankai is weak . But then .. Imagining him being a captain is exploding my brains since he cannot support a division .

[BabyLoving]

LOL. He ain't that weak. He just learnt his Bankai not long ago, mind you. (: But, he won't really be a good Captain, cause the responsibilities are too heavy for him. (:

[ginjixx]

You must be joking. Renji is horribly weak, even with bankai. He is owned by everyone he fights, and he associates with Rukia (another weak, useless character) so he must be bad. I mean his shikai has been mocked consistently to the point that it's a freaking joke, and even sub-shikai Ichigo had a field-day with him. On a positive note, all you Hitsugaya fans might be pleased if he becomes captain, because then at least Hitsugaya won't be the weakest anymore. ;)



hmmm.... i think renji isn't weak at all... if his weak then why is he vc??? and if his weak why do he has a bankai??? i think you just misjudge him

[jmin725]

lol good point ginjixx

[Undying]

Did anyone read my post? =\

To become a captain you need to do one of the three:

1) Bypass an official exam administered by Yamamoto and two more (or was it three more, I'm a little blur on what Tousen said).

2) Be recomended by at least 6 captains and have the agreement of at least three more of the remaining 7

3) Defeat (and most likely, kill) a captain of a division in front of 200 or more division members.

Methods 1 and 2 do not state bankai as a necessary requiermnt, although it is a common consensus that a captain should have bankai, since all captains have bankai already, and most likely, before the current system was initiated, captains were selected according to strength, so if one had bankai, once had enough power to become captain. But that's another story.

At any rate, the ability to use bankai is not a prerequisite, merely a consensus (or was it stated somewhere that it is? I need to reread the manga, my memnory started to fail me lately).

At any rate, it's not just the existence of bankai, it's also the ability to use it properly. Although Renji does have talent and expereince, and he is training, his bankai is young yet, about a few months old. Of course he would not master it compltely within such a short time - personaly, I believe that cases of complte mastery over bankai are rare, possibly including only Aizen (who apparently has complete mastery over all of his abilities, as his main desire was to "go forward", was it not?), and Yamamoto (who would have it by virute of being the strongest in the Gotei) - and therefore, he still cannot defeat a captain who would fight properly (with bankai, and intent to kill).

Also, Renji has to ability with Kido - he has been shown to lack any talent with it in flashbacks, and in a certain manga chapter he has been shown to fail it completly (upon entry into *spoilers*).

In light of that, it is somewhat obvious that nobody will let Renji take captanicy exams, since he simply doesn't fit the bill.

That practically shuts off ways one and two. However, there is another prolem, Renji helped the invasion into Soul Society and basically turned against them. Although in movies they take the consequences into consideration (in this case it was good), but from what it seems, it would appear as though they don't, and this stands against him in the recomendations.

So ways one and two are blocked, and way three is, too, since he can't beat a Captain would would fight for real.

P.S., there is also a need to have 7 more captains for the recomendation, therefore it is assumable that a recomendation can only take place if a captains retires and wishes to nominate someone in his or her stead. (do the math: approval from 6 captains plus recomendation from 7 more (stated by Tousen) 7+6=13). Corrently, there are only 10 captains, hence this path cannot be applied, either.

And just to add to that, Renji isn't weak, he just fights opponents that are strong.

[Lust]

i did,thats why i didnt reply after you post it

[Bankai_Kratos]

Ikkaku has the best chance of becoming a captain as of now, except he doesnt even want to. If he showed that bankai off a bit he'd be fine.

[tenebrusmke79]

Ikkaku has the best chance of becoming a captain as of now, except he doesnt even want to. If he showed that bankai off a bit he'd be fine.

I don't think Ikkaku will ever be a captain. I would think he's perfectly situated as 3rd seat of 11th Division. Besides, he's totally devoted to Kenpachi and the 11th Division.

[Bankai7]

To Undying: If we get the rules, Renji doesn't stand a chance of becoming a captain. But it is obvious that the Gotei 13 is not Gotei 13 anymore and someone must fill up for the missing captains. In the army in a state of emergency either they bring someone else to replace the dead officer or the subordinate takes command. Who would lead Aizen's squad? Hinamori? So actually they have to recommend 3 people to take command of the 3 squads and that's reasonable enough to recommend Renji.

[Undying]

To Undying: If we get the rules, Renji doesn't stand a chance of becoming a captain. But it is obvious that the Gotei 13 is not Gotei 13 anymore and someone must fill up for the missing captains. In the army in a state of emergency either they bring someone else to replace the dead officer or the subordinate takes command. Who would lead Aizen's squad? Hinamori? So actually they have to recommend 3 people to take command of the 3 squads and that's reasonable enough to recommend Renji.
There is one main reason why Renji won't be recommended as captain. He doesn't even want to.

[Bankai7]

We don't know that yet (Anime). Only Ikkaku said he doesn't want to be captain. What's the reason for Renji not wanting to become captain? His desire(Surpassing Byakuya) is not an obstacle to that.

[VinScythe]

Yamamoto would never confirm renji in, Renji and Zabimaru still lack complete trust in one another, Renji himself doubting his own fighting skills. Not nearly enough power to reach ANY captain, and having no skills other than his strength, none of the captains would approve to him.

Even in crisis Yamma will still uphold his own law regarding who gets to fill in for these captains, Renji cannot kill any of them, cannot fully master or to an acceptable level show any type skill with his bankai, is still yet disregarded in thinking capability to gain acceptance from anyone. There is no absolute way Renji will be a captain, he sure begged for Ikkaku who qualified to an extent, that thought never even occured him, even Renji himself knows he can't do it.

[Bankai7]

The thing for not rushing to select captains is because there is no war yet. What if a war comes up? You think Yamamoto would let the 3 squads without commander because of the rules? Or accept the VCs of each squad as commanders? Surely the 3 places should be filled up somehow in such a scenario..and then Renji automatically takes a place. No Renji does not have the ability to become captain yet, but if there was a scenario were someone MUST command each squad then he should be the first to be placed as a captain(except Ikkaku).

[VinScythe]

You mean considering that Renji actually has the tactical military expertise to lead or ever be creative? Yeah tch, there would be better luck just handing that specific squad over to temporary hitsugaya. Point is that Yamamoto does not give a damn about his VCs willing to cut them any moment at his defiance, he would never value them as to entering his court. There would only have to be three captains left for him to exempt in a scenario.

Yamma said it himself, VCs can easily be replaced, a captain however would leave a hole in his heart, just irreplacable as they are pratically rare dieties to shingami.

[paige_]

Just because renji was able to materialize his zanpakuto doesn't mean he achieved and mastered all of what needs to be mastered with his bankai. He will need to complete all the moves and master it 100% to be a captain. So renji with his current state and abilities is not fit to be captain...yet

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wow everyone already said what I said..meh delete this if you find it useless xD


i agree.. he even said that he can't control it properly.. he is not yet fit to be captain.. he needs to get stronger if he's to be a captain..

[Undying]

Renji wants to surpass Byakuya, he doesn't want to be a captain.

If he did want to be a captain, why hasn't he been nominated yet? He is as strong as Hitsugaya; there is no real reason why he should be nominated, unless he refuses it himself out of respect for Byakuya.

And anime watchers should know he wants to serve under Kuchiki, he pretty much admitted it when Byakuya was in the hospital recovering.

[paige_]

he's not fit to become captain, not yet anyway.. he needs more training..

[h0f5]

Might be a plothole, but im pretty sure that unohana when pronouncing aizen dead said that a new captain would be elected after the ryoka crisis by the central 46. Theres no central 46 currently, so there wont be new captains anyway. I dont see why renji even bothered to ask.

[zarakiscars86]

since ikakku probbly wont be captain..renji would be good for the job..even though he hasnt mastered bankai he has still reached that level..renjis one of my fav characters so that would be kool to see RED PONYTAIL + TATTOS + WHITE KIMONO = ONE BAD ASS CAPTAIN

[theblack_dragon]

i cant believe this thread is still going cool anyway nope i dont see renji being captain at the moment i think the gotie 13 need to get more organized and get stronger people after this situation bountos and now this arrancar problem