Bounto Views

[Novoxis]

This has crossed my minds ever since discussing the manga with my friends. Those who have read the manga have mostly loved the characters and story behind it and so I put forth this question to discuss...

If the whole Bounto arc and all it's characters were actually a part of the manga story, would you have such a biased view against them since quite a few of you hate fillers?

[Pyramus]

Hmm! good question, i once thought bout this! i dont knoww, if it was a manga storyline, mabye we would lie it more! vbut also, its becuase thye had crappy animation!

[Undying]

I for one would have. This is simply that, I compared them to the manga. You see, comapred to the original manga, they are crap.

So, suppose they were part of the manga without changes (as in, simply making the arc into a manga without fixing all the stuff that ruins it), it'd still be every bit as crap as it has been. I'd have felt exactly the same towards the arc, regardless if it were part of the manga or asit is, just filler.

[ToT]

If somebody wouldn't of told me they were fillers I wouldn't of realised it ^^
I liked them, they didn't seem like fillers to me ^^' The thing that really pisses me off is the Don Juan dunno what magician guy >.> (ya know the one that goes bwaahahahahaa >.> )

[EndlessSky]

If it was part of the manga, I would probably not like Bleach as much as I do or even read the manga.

It is the quality and content of the arc, not the fact that it is filler. Atleast, for me anyway.

[davidn15]

the story would have been done better and less people would hate it

[Zulehan]

I would think significantly less of Bleach if the Bounto arc was part of the comic.

[paulsan2112]

hating fillers is the new black...


er, i mean, maybe... liking fillers is the new black.






wait, what seems to be the trend, again?

[Triddy]

If I didn't see the countless children whining about fillers, I would have never known the Bount Arc was a filler arc.

Honestly, other than a few animation issues, it was an excellent arc. The fight scenes were great, and so was the story. I can see complaining over something like the endless fillers in Naruto, but this art was very well done.

[Steve2k]

i actually liked the fillers and if it was part of the manga i think a lot more ppl would like it too cuz

1.) TK would of upgraded the story,
2.) animation would be better for it is part of the manga
3.) more blood and better violence (i.e. better fight scenes and/or more fight scences)
4.) everyone wouldn't be comparing it to the arrancar arc for the fact it has not happened yet

if you take these into account i believe more ppl (if not everyone) would like the arc a lot more than you think and plus if you go back and look at the good fight scenes they had

Kenpaichi vs. former shinigami (can't spell the name)
Ichigo vs. byakuya vs Kariya
Hitsugoya vs. the dark skin bounto
the old bounto vs. Mayuri
and plus we got to see Ogihci in action again

now think to yourself do you really think that arc was crap?

[VinScythe]

If it were given a little more thought into the storyline(just a bit) for the bountos it would have been allright with me. My only concern was the stubborn situation of the Ichigo squadron.

-Ichigo SOMEHOW suffered from a bankai repression(and it never gets properly resolved he just magically hits the button for proper combat in the end)

-Ishida WITH NO POWERS was at the point of awkwardness, then he resorts to using some cheap "out of nowhere" gimmick from SOUL SOCIETY

-Orihime and Rukia once again detered from their roles remained in that annoying useless transitive state.

-Chad........OF ABSOLUTELY NO HELP(and he didn't seem to mind!)

-Renji being THE ONLY ONE CAPABLE ironically was left out of good play, come on the guy had some of the best chances of kicking butt, WHY WAS HE LEFT OUT :/

In the end the only good heroes(and fights) were from the classic captains, vices included, more of those would have been a rather pleasing filler(for a filler)

[Undying]

*has realised these were fillers from episode one even without the manga*

Actually, those who didn't realise are obviously the weekend otaku, real Bleach fans know the real deal.

Anyway, without putitng anyone down, the numeros idiocies in the arc (including: bankai repression, the Bounto's magical ability to become somehow stronger than Ichigo who is captain level and yet be pwned by captains, and the fact that Kariya who is supposedly stronger than Ichigo loses to him for no real reason. Imagine if Ichigo as he was against kariya fighting Yammy. You seriously think he'd survive that long? Psh, please), made it degrade Bleach.

In face, I hold the opinion that the anime degrades the manga by quite a bit. Scene alterations, text changes, order change, eeverything. They shoul dhave followed the manga by the word.

[paulsan2112]

honestly, if it was in the manga, I'm sure the manga fans would like it.

only, it wouldn't play out like it did. or, if it was in the manga EXACTLY like it is in the anime, I'm sure even manga fans would consider it MANGA FILLER.

They would have paid much more attention to the art, the storyline, the characters, the fights, .......... and most importantly, it wouldn't be drawn out so long for the sake of taking up time (what filler really is...).

The arc had potential, but I think they really didn't put alot of energy into it. As I've posted elsewhere, I think it had its highlights, but overall stunk and felt too long. I love anything having to do with SS, but even the parts in the arc that took place in SS seemed boring more often than not.



I personally think bleach up til the point uruhara comes around and ichigo is getting ready to enter SS is a bore. That includes anything happening at the school, anything with rukia other than what is a bare minimum needed for the plot, anything with chad or big tits, any hollow fights, don konji (sp?), etc. It seems to take a long time to get to the point when renji and capt show up. That is when it really got good. I wouldn't take out all of it (like grand fisher), but spend less time on it. A minimum to set up the storyline, then off to kicking ass is what I would have wanted. Kind of like how Gantz starts in the middle of action, with little to set up plot, and you find out more as you go along. Even though all that takes place in the manga, I think of it as filler, with the occasional comic relief.

[Atrias]

If they did follow the manga and just the manga word for word though, how much waiting would we be doing to get from the end of the SS arc to now?

Sure there are a lot of differences between the anime and the manga but they are different forms of art in a way and would assumably have to .

I wasn't unimpressed with the Bounto arc until I joined CB and heard all the whining about... I guess familliarity does breed contempt (for fillers, haha). Sure it wasn't a patch on the original series but it could have been a lot worse - though all the limiters and procrastinators were incredibly annoying - it was good to get some development upon the characters and their interactions even if they were mostly banal...

I dont know, just comparing the filler arc to Naruto's reminds me how much better we had it with Bleach.

[DFlux]

I immediately knew this was filler (OK, I read the manga, buuuut) because of the simplicity of the story. What I mean is that the first three seasons were about discovery, not everything was handed to you in your face, and it was one big conspiracy. The Bounto arc... not so much.

I'm sure I probably would have hated it in the manga, too, especially since Kariya is a Gary Stu villain. Someone like Aizen seems to deserve the title of villain. Kariya just gets away because he somehow trumps the heroes EVERY TIME without development. That's the big difference. It didn't feel Bleach.

[Lirion]

No I would hate them. First the bauntos was so damn annoying, Kariya was more annoying than Ichigo and that is very hard to accomplish. The characters never evolved, I mean Ishida almost killed Kariya with borrowed powers while both bankai Byakuya and bankai Ichigo had problems hitting Kariya. Then Ichigo was able to kill Kariya without getting stronger, nothing made sense in the Baunto arc.
If it was part of the manga and everything was different but they still had the bauntos, well then I can't answer the question because I don't know how it would turn out to be.

[chakra25]

I actually couldn't tell the difference until someone pointed out. The filler are pretty good when you compare them on a filler standard. It was not good enough as a manga caliber, but pretty close. Sure, there were unbearable moments. But there are also awesome moments too like Byakuya saving Rukia, the Byakuya fight with Kariya... Mayuri's fight... and so on. Plus we got to see more of our favorite, unpopular Captains. I think I would still love Bleach if the Bountou Arc was part of the manga.

[theblack_dragon]

well i must say is was not bad but it was really an annoying filler but compared to other animated series the bounto saga was not a bad filler
but the wasy they did things i could have been better in terms of fighting and other character battles

[Feign]

The Bounto arc would have done much better as a manga story than it did as a filler arc. For one, because it would have had much better art (I got the feeling the animators wer kinda half-assing it due to it being filler). Secondly, because it did several things other than just taking up space.

It solved the issue of "time to acheve, then time to master" for Ichigo's bankai. It had Inoue actually win a fight for once. (It was against Rukia, but still...) It gave Ishida some great development, while he wasn't wearing the "EZBow for Noobs" anyway. It gave some time to less developed but still awesome characters (Kira and Soy Fon come immediately to mind) It gave Aizen time to actually build his army, rather than for them to just appear. And it had some Ogihci, though it could have used much more of him towards the end...

In general, it built things up nicely for the Arrancar arc, without going too over the top.

... And say what you will about Kariya, no other villain in the whole series will get to say "This was my favorite mansion, and now it's ruined."

[kav2001c]

Most people whine on it just because it is filler
(I find it odd, especially since some dont even read manga yet are the first to scream when a filler shows up in the anime)

Having said that, the entire Bounto arc had some major issues (which a bit better planning/plotting would have cleaned up alot)
Overall the character design was pretty good and the concept was good (just not the follow through)

Things that needed to be changed:

The aborted storyline (alot of times it seemed they were making things up week to week, action then start and talk, action then all of a sudden we backtrack to a flashback etc) better pacing and a more coherent plot would have made it ALOT better

Some characters were used pointlessly (the biggest losers who spring to mind being Chad, Rukia, Ishida, Toushiro, Gangyu). I liked the fact they tried to expand the roles of secondary characters but I think some of the primary characters should have just remained offscreen (especially since some things like Rukia being injured again and Ishida losing his powers again were blatantly obvious)

I was even dissapointed at Ichinose's reappearance (after what had been probably the best fight in Bounto arc he suddenly shows up again pointlessly to challenge Kariya)

[Xaimas]

The leader was old and German and the big guy with the headphones looked like someone from the "In the Navy" music vid.

I used to like them but i realize they are rubbish compared to the Arrancar and the Vazaird.

[Bankai7]

Bounto Arc was memorable enough for a filler. It is not compared to the main storyline, but what the hell? It is better than Naruto's main storyline:Haha ! Byakuya & Ichigo Vs Kariya, Ichigo Vs Koga, Kenpachi Vs Ichinose, Ichigo Vs Kariya that were indeed memorable fights. And it also had some background it was not completely useless. The two episodes which explained Bounto's past, Ichinose's past, showing Toushiro's Bankai for a long time...those were good episodes.

[EndlessSky]

Memorable? I sure dont remember them or even remembering caring about the outcome of the fight or anything.

Come on people, even the main manga storyline isn't that great as I have said elsewhere. You gotta be pretty jueuvnille and naive to think this is some great epic storyline or even a compelling one.

[Tsuki Garyuu]

WoW! Didn't think anyone would up with such a question! At my opinion, people might think of the Bount arc in a different view if it was in a manga. Makes me think the Bounto should show up "after" the Arrancar arc. Except 10x more powerful and deadlier than Aizen, but that's just me.^^ Personally, I think the Bounto arc is the BEST filler ever! Unlike them Naruto fillers.

[Tsuki Garyuu]

Most people whine on it just because it is filler
(I find it odd, especially since some dont even read manga yet are the first to scream when a filler shows up in the anime)
Having said that, the entire Bounto arc had some major issues (which a bit better planning/plotting would have cleaned up alot)
Overall the character design was pretty good and the concept was good (just not the follow through)
Things that needed to be changed:
The aborted storyline (alot of times it seemed they were making things up week to week, action then start and talk, action then all of a sudden we backtrack to a flashback etc) better pacing and a more coherent plot would have made it ALOT better
Some characters were used pointlessly (the biggest losers who spring to mind being Chad, Rukia, Ishida, Toushiro, Gangyu). I liked the fact they tried to expand the roles of secondary characters but I think some of the primary characters should have just remained offscreen (especially since some things like Rukia being injured again and Ishida losing his powers again were blatantly obvious)
I was even dissapointed at Ichinose's reappearance (after what had been probably the best fight in Bounto arc he suddenly shows up again pointlessly to challenge Kariya)

Out of all you were explaining, let me ask. Do you actually like,hate, or don't mind the Bounto arc? Or are you acknowledging the storyline or don't like it whatsoever?

[kav2001c]

Out of all you were explaining, let me ask. Do you actually like,hate, or don't mind the Bounto arc? Or are you acknowledging the storyline or don't like it whatsoever?

Im really undecided... it had possibilities but there is no doubt they dropped the ball big time...
Overall more negative than positive I suppose, but not an outright hatred of fillers in general

Id have preferred more developement (the writers should be dragged out in the street and shot) or if they had of just gone off air until next season kind of thing
Ah well

[Undying]

If the Bounto arc, as it is was part of the manga, I'd seriously consider dropping Bleach. Reason, the story is lame. Simple as that. Nothing new, intersting or exiting happens, and the constant recycling of everything that happened already is simple boring.

However, I believe it is somewhat obvious that had the Bounto arc been part of the manga, it would have been incoparably better, starting with a more interesting story, going through deeper characters (Yoshino was about the only character who is actually inertesting there, and even that not by much), and ending with actually exiting battles (compare ichinose VS Zaraki to Ichigo VS Zaraki. Ichinose VS Zaraki was so boring I was praying for it to end, Ichigo VS Zaraki I was on my toes going all "WTF's gonna happen now!!??? PLZ TELL MEEEHH!").

I don't know how would I have reacted to the Bounto arc if it was part of the manga because... *drums roll* it IS NOT!!!