Akatsuki leader...

[baakss]

So I'm reading the wikipedia article on the Akatsuki leader,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akatsuki_(Naruto)#Members

And from the picture and description, it sounds a lot like the fourth hokage. I know it may not make much sense, but when he defends konoha with the "will of fire" talk, and the picture looks like him, especially in the eyes of the first picture.

Anyway, is it possible he sealed the demon fox into naruto, but did not die, and did it all for the purpose of easy extraction in the future? I know it's sort of off the wall, but damn he looks like him.

[Seff]

I think the Akatsuki leader is one of the following:

Uchiha Mandara
The fourth
Or the Ten-tails jinchiruki.

[Undying]

Check the pictures of the Fourth and the Leader. The Fourth has a more square jaw a different hair.

No, it's not the Fourth.

[Jasper]

Unless the fourth dyed his hair auburn and got a couple of piercings then I really doubt he's the 4th. Besides, there's definite proof that it's not the 4th. When Orochimaru fought Sarutobi he used Edo-tensei to revive the 1st, 2nd and was about revive the 4th had it not been for Sarutobi's intervention. So fact is, the 4th is dead. Unless he's got a twin brother or something that died for him when he sealed the kyuubi.

I personally have no idea who might it be, but Uchiha Madara sounds like a farfetched idea as well. There are theories about Madara being the first Uchiha to be born ever, but that I'm not too sure of. This would however explain Itachi's obedience to him.

[Seff]

yes, but seeing as how predictable Kishi is being, it probably is the fourth >.>
And actually, in the manga, Edo Tensei isn't about to summon for the forth. The case is unmarked. It's only marked in the manga.

And let's think about it. Kyuubi described Uchiha Madara as having an "evil chakra." Now how would Kyuubi know this unless he'd met Uchiha Madara? And as Kyuubi said nothing of Itachi (who everyone thinks is lolwtfpwnagebbqsauce) this would logically mean that Uchiha Madara (if he's still alive, which he probably is.) > Itachi. Because i don't think Kyuubi's stupid.


(Note, the above paragraph contained elements of my "akatsuki theory" which i don't want to go into.)


So then, another think. Who is the one person Itachi "obeys"? Yep, the Akatsuki leader. And then theres Itachi's "3 mangekyou sharingan" comment, but i still don't know whether that was refering to the tobi/obitio theory.

So really, it COULD be Uchiha Madara ^^

[Mugen]

It`s the 4th............I would`ve thoguht otherwise but Kishi made a fatal error >_> in one of his pics he had a pic of all the akatsuki members and the person who`s face who can`t be seen has the exact same kanji letters on his coat as the 4th hokage`s >_>........

[Seff]

It was probably a fanart super.

[.Kozmic]

Yeah I think it's Mandara Uchiha, though it doesn't give any information on him, but they mention his name a couple times

[.Rik-uh-shey]

well some of the shit in Naruto doesnt make sense anyway. hell it could be the fourth...

[SLVR]

Peircings mean he is a badass bounty hunter. Preferably Madara

[byakuya999]

its madara

[Jinchuu]

He doesn't have to be a past key figure, why do you always come up with basic names like Uchiha Madare who is supposed to be killed by Itachi or Yondaime who sacrificed himself etc.
We can do ourselves a favor and accept him as an unknown powerful shinobi like the other Akatsuki members who we didn't even knew about, except Itachi.

[byakuya999]

because he noes the villages really good lik he was a part of them at one time

[Alex26]

i think its the fourth or at the very least the AL is related to the 4th :rolleye09

[6thEspada]

i HIGHLY doubt its the fourth cuz if i remember correctly wen akatsuki first detected who was heading towards their hideout after they got gaara the leader then asked who maito gai is and if he really was the fourth then why would he ask that

[Undying]

He doesn't have to be a past key figure, why do you always come up with basic names like Uchiha Madare who is supposed to be killed by Itachi or Yondaime who sacrificed himself etc.
We can do ourselves a favor and accept him as an unknown powerful shinobi like the other Akatsuki members who we didn't even knew about, except Itachi.
Man, someone give this guy a prize for being logical.

What he says is truth.

[VinScythe]

why can't madara be the freaking girl? why can't he be dead instead?

NO MORE UCHIHAS IN THE SERIES DAMMIT, STANDING STILL WITH THOSE EYES IS KILLING SOME AWESOME POSSIBILITIES FOR ACTION, OTHER GREAT BLOODLINES, AND THOSE SOLEMN ATTITUDES. DO YOU HONESTLY ENJOY THEM THAT MUCH?

[Undying]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/SankonGanSou/Akatsuki_Naruto_Conspiracy__2_by_my.jpg

That sums it up.

Completely.

So yeah.

Oh and.

I enjoy seeing one Uchiha stand and look badass.

And that's Itachi.

There is a difference between being cool (Itachi) and trying to look cool (Sasuke).

Even Itachi said it.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/SankonGanSou/Naruto___Uchiha_Reunion_no_2_by_sor.jpg

[Hiyuu Tatsuma]

lol love images^
it will be some we have not seen yet and the 4th died did he not when seal the nine tail fox in naruto

[byakuya999]

good point espada

[Seff]

Hmm, so Kyuubi has to be sealed last, eh :/.

AK leader:Uchiha Madara.
AK chick:Naruto's mum.

kk.

[kujahlegend]

He doesn't have to be a past key figure, why do you always come up with basic names like Uchiha Madare who is supposed to be killed by Itachi or Yondaime who sacrificed himself etc.
We can do ourselves a favor and accept him as an unknown powerful shinobi like the other Akatsuki members who we didn't even knew about, except Itachi.


Itachi killed Uchiha Shisui and not Madara :/

[Project #22329]

I think the Akatsuki leader is one of the following:

Uchiha Mandara
The fourth
Or the Ten-tails jinchiruki.

Not the fourth....for a fact
When Oruchimaru was fighting 3rd he summoned the 1st and 2nd...
He was about to summon the 4th..but the old geezer stopped him. So 4th is deff dead....

There is a 10 tail jinchiruki?! O.o
Also arent they collecting the beasts?

I also dont think it's a Uchiha...because you dont see two of a kind in Akatsuki. Also didn't they say only Itachi and Sasuke is left? Also Itachi wouldn't liked to have another Uchiha as a superior, since he killed the rest of his clan....
Also the elder cat confirmed that only 2 were left and look to what it come too...or somehting like this

[kujahlegend]

I think wiping out his clan was Itachi's test before joining Akatsuki. If so then it wouldn't be surprising that Madara gave such an order as the Akatsuki leader, and thus Itachi's obedience to another (probably more powerful) Uchiha.

Akatsuki's goal is to create wars so they can sell their services for money. If clans like the Uchiha were allowed to live on then it's likely that they would become a threat to Akatsuki by producing more "geniuses" and basically become stronger altogether.

[Undying]

Uchiha Madara would be, um.. over a hundred years old. The Akatsuki leader is a little too young.

[Seff]

Not the fourth....for a fact
When Oruchimaru was fighting 3rd he summoned the 1st and 2nd...
He was about to summon the 4th..but the old geezer stopped him. So 4th is deff dead....

Only in the anime. Never happened in the manga.

There is a 10 tail jinchiruki?! O.o
Also arent they collecting the beasts?

So? :D

I also dont think it's a Uchiha...because you dont see two of a kind in Akatsuki. Also didn't they say only Itachi and Sasuke is left? Also Itachi wouldn't liked to have another Uchiha as a superior, since he killed the rest of his clan....
Also the elder cat confirmed that only 2 were left and look to what it come too...or somehting like this

Meh, it's still possible. Cat woman might have been wrong.


:) :D

[kujahlegend]

Uchiha Madara would be, um.. over a hundred years old. The Akatsuki leader is a little too young.

How would he be over a hundred? unless i've missed something :/
He'd only have to meet Kyuubi before it was sealed in Naruto so he might be like around the same age as Yondaime.

Also Madara means "speckles / mottles" according to wikipedia. We've seen a picture of the AL's lower face where everyone assumes he has 2 nose piercings... :/

[Juujika]

Uchiha Madara would be, um.. over a hundred years old. The Akatsuki leader is a little too young.

The nine tails just said he once saw those red eyes once in uchiha madara, there is no time line there.. plus we dont know if the nine tails had a host before naruto, so the nine tails was locked away for 12-16 years in naruto. Any time before that the nine tails could have fought with uchiha madara. Since the nine tails didnt say he killed madara it seems the guy was able to leave with his life.

Though i dont think the Akatsuki leader is Uchiha Madara simply by how his eyes always looked, i bet he has special abilities but i dont think hes an Uchiha his eyes had a weird double circle going on.

[Undying]

Konoha was there for on-hundred years. The Uchiha were there for one hundred years. Madara started them, one-hundred years ago, so that would make Madara well over one-hundred years old.
How would he be over a hundred? unless i've missed something :/
He'd only have to meet Kyuubi before it was sealed in Naruto so he might be like around the same age as Yondaime.
The question is not when he met Kyuubi; the question is how old he is. And Kyuubi is a thousand-year old demon, not hard to meet them.
The nine tails just said he once saw those red eyes once in uchiha madara, there is no time line there.. plus we dont know if the nine tails had a host before naruto, so the nine tails was locked away for 12-16 years in naruto. Any time before that the nine tails could have fought with uchiha madara. Since the nine tails didnt say he killed madara it seems the guy was able to leave with his life.
12-15. But that doesn't change a thing. Uchiha Madara lived like a hundred years ago when he started the Uchiha clan in Konoha, which means he met Kyuubi a hundred years ago or so.

[kujahlegend]

When did it say Madara started the Uchiha clan? :/

[Samanosuke]

LOL @ the ten tails Jinchuuriki <<<<classic :D

[_mike_]

wth are you guys talking about a 10 tailed jinchuuriki....

the only jinchuuriki are from 1 tail > 9 tails with the 9th being the strongest...

pfft!

[Seff]

its sasuke, obviously. He has the kishimito gay orgy no jutsu.

[Juujika]

Uchiha Madara lived like a hundred years ago when he started the Uchiha clan in Konoha, which means he met Kyuubi a hundred years ago or so.
Yeah i dont remember them saying that Uchiha Madara was the first Uchiha.. Though the first Uchiha would look weird compared to the rest. Since the Uchiha were a mutantion from the hyuuga clan and it would take some time before the Uchiha's reached the normal status we see them look like, i wonder if the hyuuga clan member had a child with another blood line limit person and there child became the first Uchiha.

I wonder how the Nine tails met Uchiha Madara, whether the guy went looking for the nine tails or he defended the leaf village when the nine tails attacked, They only talk about the nine tails attacking the village once which was before itachi went nutts and killed off 99% of the Uchiha members.

Its possible Uchiha Madara got the idea of using the all the beasts for his own then left the leaf village and became a missing Nin and started the foundation for the Akatsuki group. After the nine tails was sealed and before Itachi killed off the clan.

But its most likely that Uchiha Madara was just the most advanced Uchiha the nine tails fought when he attacked the leaf village and remembered his name since he saw such power in his eyes.


(Btw i dont believe Uchiha Madara is the Akatsuki leader, From the look of him, with the nose pierces and the dark orange hair he didnt come from the hyuuga clan or Uchiha clan.

Who ever the leader is, hes most likely one of the highest S class criminals for itachi and the rest of them to follow him without trying to over power him)

[Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou]

He doesn't have to be a past key figure, why do you always come up with basic names like Uchiha Madare who is supposed to be killed by Itachi or Yondaime who sacrificed himself etc.
We can do ourselves a favor and accept him as an unknown powerful shinobi like the other Akatsuki members who we didn't even knew about, except Itachi.
alot of fans have build several FC's about AL=Yondaime and TOBI=OBITO so the only thing we can hope for is ..."TIME" when the time comes and Kishimoto reveals his whole character I'm gonna feel pity for al those Fanboys and tards cause it's like shattering someone beliefs.....

*XD(* MEN!!! I won't feel sh*t cause it ain't me*)

[Undying]

Personally I find these idiotic theories stupid. Tobi = Obito? AL = Yondaime?

IS IT THAT ****ING HARD TO ADMIT THAT A CHARACTER IS DEAD?

[silverwolf801]

well I don't read or really watch the subbed naruto but my friend said that he thinks that the leader of akatsuki is really Yondaime

[Chobi]

I have a hard time believing Yondaime is the Leader.
I have instead tried to find some other people from the story that might be a possible leader.

First of all is the third Kazekage who was kidnaped and never found. this is talked about in the manga and anime, and in the anime they stretch it by adding a zooming animation of the thirds statue, in most cases this is some kind of hint.

The other person is also one who is believed to be dead. that is Shisui uchiha who is believed to have been killed by Itachi to grant him mangekyo sharingan. This can be seen as him using his body imitation on a body to look like himself.

This is a theory with a large amount of flaws tho, because the leader have those eyes with double circles in them. This will rule out Madara uchiha from the theory unless his sharingan looked like that because it was the first.

[Juujika]

I have a hard time believing Yondaime is the Leader.
I have instead tried to find some other people from the story that might be a possible leader.

First of all is the third Kazekage who was kidnaped and never found. this is talked about in the manga and anime, and in the anime they stretch it by adding a zooming animation of the thirds statue, in most cases this is some kind of hint.

The other person is also one who is believed to be dead. that is Shisui uchiha who is believed to have been killed by Itachi to grant him mangekyo sharingan. This can be seen as him using his body imitation on a body to look like himself.

This is a theory with a large amount of flaws tho, because the leader have those eyes with double circles in them. This will rule out Madara uchiha from the theory unless his sharingan looked like that because it was the first.

first of all, Uchiha Madara was never said to be the first Uchiha. He was just the first Uchiha with sharingan that the kyuubi fought. The first Uchiha would have weird eyes just because purple eyes + black eyes = something odd. I bet the AL is just a new enemy, with an amazing Blood limit.

[Tyekanik]

First of all is the third Kazekage who was kidnaped and never found. this is talked about in the manga and anime, and in the anime they stretch it by adding a zooming animation of the thirds statue, in most cases this is some kind of hint.

This is a theory with a large amount of flaws tho, because the leader have those eyes with double circles in them. This will rule out Madara uchiha from the theory unless his sharingan looked like that because it was the first.


Oh, they found the third kazekage. If you missed/forgot it its about to come up in the anime for location reference.

On Madara, it is technically possible to live that long (orochimaru found a way, perhaps madara did it first or used a different route to get to the same place). Itachi/Sasuke could be believe to be the last if this guy just walked off and worked on his immortality technique. I give this a possibility due to a name like that getting thrown out will usually have something else to go with it, and if its something to come back and bite Sasuke in his smarmy little ass I'll pick madara as my favorite naruto character. Sorry hinata.

[Undying]

All the Uchiha we have seen so far had either black eyes, or Sharingan red eyes. The leader has weird bright eyes with circles in them.

What kind of an Uchiha is he, then?

[The_Irving]

Seriously, why can't dead characters stay dead? While I do believe Tobi is Obito (I mean, come on! Their names are almost the same!) I DO NOT believe the Akatsuki Leader is anyone ever introduced in the story at any point whatsoever. I'm sick of people saying "lol dat akatsky leder mus be teh 4th cuz hes uber 1337 n onl teh 4th cn b taht 1337!" I'm also sick of people saying he's Mandarin or whatever the hell that other guy's name is. I personally don't even remember Mandy being that important in the story. Kyuubi just said he met him before, it doesn't have to mean anything deep. I believe the AL is just a super-strong guy who is going to use the demons to rule the world, like in all other mangas.

[Undying]

As I said, I find the theory that Tobi and Obito are the same person ludicrous... he WAS crushed under a boulder and buried in the cave. I very much doubt anyone would bother rescuing him. But that's unimportant.

I agree with you, Irving. Uchiha Madara, the Uchiha with Sharingan that Kiyuubi met, only means that Kiyuubi met an Uchiha before. Guess what that means? That Kiyuubi will be the one to tell Naruto how to poon Sasuke's Sharingan (assuming Kiyuubi is remembered by that time). I do not see any relation to Akatsuki in the Kiyuubi meeting someone.

And as for the Fourth. He apparently used the "shinigami no jutsu" to seal the Kiyuubi inside Naruto. So that would mean that the 4th is dead as the Shinigami will take the life of the one who used the Jutsu and normally the target's.

That would mean the 4th is dead. Completely dead. He CAN'T be the Akatsuki leader.

But no, some fanboy has to say it is the 4th. Psh.

[Emperor Knives]

And I doubt the Fourth Hokage would dye his hair orange. The Fourth is dead. He's stuck in the belly of that Death God with the Third Hokage. No one can come back from that.

[Seff]

I have a hard time believing Yondaime is the Leader.
I have instead tried to find some other people from the story that might be a possible leader.

First of all is the third Kazekage who was kidnaped and never found. this is talked about in the manga and anime, and in the anime they stretch it by adding a zooming animation of the thirds statue, in most cases this is some kind of hint.

The other person is also one who is believed to be dead. that is Shisui uchiha who is believed to have been killed by Itachi to grant him mangekyo sharingan. This can be seen as him using his body imitation on a body to look like himself.

This is a theory with a large amount of flaws tho, because the leader have those eyes with double circles in them. This will rule out Madara uchiha from the theory unless his sharingan looked like that because it was the first.

3rd Kaze got turned into one of Sasori's puppets, Uchiha shusui is dead or Itachi wouldn't have mangekyou.

[Konpachi]

3rd Kaze got turned into one of Sasori's puppets, Uchiha shusui is dead or Itachi wouldn't have mangekyou.
But kakashi has mangekyou and you can't really say that "he" killed his best friend...

[Seff]

We know Itachi obtained his mangekyou by killing shusui. Therefore, Shusui is dead.

[Lex]

Kakashi did not kill his friend. Read Naruto Gaiden in manga, it explains everything there!
As for Akatsuki's leader...it's dare I say it! Naruto's dad!

[6thEspada]

first of all, Uchiha Madara was never said to be the first Uchiha. He was just the first Uchiha with sharingan that the kyuubi fought. The first Uchiha would have weird eyes just because purple eyes + black eyes = something odd. I bet the AL is just a new enemy, with an amazing Blood limit.
ok first of all where are u getting your information from where anywhere does it say anything about Uchiha Madara we know nothing about him in the manga he was only mentioned once....only thing we do know about him is his name now idk where u git your info from but iz not reliable cuz nowhere in da manga da show or anywhere does it say anything about Uchiha Madara and whoeva ya sources are im sorry to say but they lyin to u.who knows who Uchiha Madara really is u cant jus speculate that he is the first Uchiha jus cuz he fought the nine tailed fox come on now how does that sound and why cant people jus except the fact that there are new characters on the show like the akatsuki leader CANNOT be the 4th cuz first and most of all the 4th is dead and the leader looks nothing like him since when have u seen the 4th with chameleon looking eyes.....ummm NEVER so there u have it

[Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou]

Yeah the Third Kazekage was defeated by Sasori and made into a puppet, so he's DEAD!!!

[Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou]

Guess what that means? That Kyuubi will be the one to tell Naruto how to poon Sasuke's Sharingan (assuming Kiyuubi is remembered by that time).
Interesting so what do you think Kyuubi has...that could possibly of use against the Sharingan

[Undying]

He knows Sharingan. I recall having read a theory in Naruto forums about the Kiyuubi's responsibility for the creation of Sharingan from the Byakugan.

Regardless, I personally believe that Kiyuubi can simply overpower Sharingan through sheer force. So much power condensed together would be impossible to predict, even for Sharingan.

Or Naruto could just become so fast and strong that he would outpace Sasuke's reaction speed.

[Juujika]

ok first of all where are u getting your information from where anywhere does it say anything about Uchiha Madara we know nothing about him in the manga he was only mentioned once....only thing we do know about him is his name now idk where u git your info from but iz not reliable cuz nowhere in da manga da show or anywhere does it say anything about Uchiha Madara and whoeva ya sources are im sorry to say but they lyin to u.who knows who Uchiha Madara really is u cant jus speculate that he is the first Uchiha jus cuz he fought the nine tailed fox come on now how does that sound and why cant people jus except the fact that there are new characters on the show like the akatsuki leader CANNOT be the 4th cuz first and most of all the 4th is dead and the leader looks nothing like him since when have u seen the 4th with chameleon looking eyes.....ummm NEVER so there u have it
If you cant read a post correctly and reply with the right information then you shouldnt post. I said point blank "IT was never said Uchiha Madara was the first uchiha, HE was just an Uchiha the Kyuubi fox fought.

[kenicchi]

too many ppl are basing things on theories now, and confusing fact for theory. so ppl should chill out, besides, AL is hamtaro, its so effin obvious, he has auburn hair i think, hehehe

[Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou]

Naruto may be the first Manga where "Dead Characters" can truly live on through the hearts of Fanboy's and tards.....I mean to some of them;

- Yondaime isn't death...
- Yondaime is AL...
- Yondaime is Naruto
- Obito isn't death...
- Obito is Tobi...
- Uchiha Shisui isn't death...
- Uchiha Shisui is Uchiha Madara...
I mean COME ON!!!

I'm glad that Shodai and Nidaime hokage's came out walking on their cascets to take down Sandaime or else people would have been making up things them too!

-

[Kenpachi-Dono]

i don;'t know if it's been said but i think it's the Sand Villages 4th Kazekage that was kidnapped but they never found the body..they did say he was the strongest ninja that ever came from the Sand village

[Alex26]

i don;'t know if it's been said but i think it's the Sand Villages 4th Kazekage that was kidnapped but they never found the body..they did say he was the strongest ninja that ever came from the Sand village

A bit further on the anime Sasori will show you the kazekage :P So no, that kazekage cant be the AL. The AL is a sarutobi :Domo

[Seff]

The AL will probably turn out to be Sakura, i bet cha.

[Draffut]

Wow, AL and Tobi arguements abound, fun.

Tobi = Obito is very plausible. The one eye hole of Tobi is on the side that was not taken by Kakashi. He has numerous bolts and screws sticking out of him, being held together from his "accident".

Zetsu has shown the ability to merge with objects, and could have used this ability to save Obito. Kakuzu has shown the medical abilities to heal him.

Tobi and Obito's personalities and hairstyles match almost perfectly. Recently his jutsu's have been shown to be atleast somewhat familiar.

Granted it's not definate proof. But It leads me to belive that Kishimoto wants us to atleast BELIEVE Tobi is Obito at this point.

As for Yondaime = AL, thats silly. Madara is more likely, but still not very much so. We will have to wait and see what Kishi decides.

As a bonus FYI, AL's eyes are fairly unique to the series. They look alot like Kurenai's. Shisui was killed by Itachi.

[Juujika]

Wow, AL and Tobi arguements abound, fun.
Tobi = Obito is very plausible. The one eye hole of Tobi is on the side that was not taken by Kakashi. He has numerous bolts and screws sticking out of him, being held together from his "accident".
Zetsu has shown the ability to merge with objects, and could have used this ability to save Obito. Kakuzu has shown the medical abilities to heal him.
Um where are these bolts and screws your talking about thats sticking out of tobi? i didnt see any on him, just a mask and black skin. Kakuzuzu never shown that he knows medical ninjutsu either.

[Draffut]

Um where are these bolts and screws your talking about thats sticking out of tobi? i didnt see any on him, just a mask and black skin. Kakuzuzu never shown that he knows medical ninjutsu either.

The screws are mostly on his upper arm/shoulder. I'll get a pic later if i can scround it up here at work. If you want to hunt dow nthe pic, find hte one after Deidara blows himself up, and Tobi finds Sasori's ring. In the first few Tobi panals is a good one of him sitting down on a rock or soemthing. It shows his shoulder bolts IIRC. When he is talking to Deidar and Zetsu, if I wasn;t specific enough.

Kakuzu was shown the ability to repair atleast one of Deidara's busted arms (One no longer had an elbow, and the otehr was crushed by Gaara's sand), and sewed Hidan's head back on. Whch is proof becuase Hidan woul not move his body when the head was cut off, but when Kakuzu reatached it, the body could move again, showing he reconnected atleast hte nerves.. I don't know what more medical ability proof you need....

[Juujika]

The screws are mostly on his upper arm/shoulder. I'll get a pic later if i can scround it up here at work. If you want to hunt dow nthe pic, find hte one after Deidara blows himself up, and Tobi finds Sasori's ring. In the first few Tobi panals is a good one of him sitting down on a rock or soemthing. It shows his shoulder bolts IIRC. When he is talking to Deidar and Zetsu, if I wasn;t specific enough.
Kakuzu was shown the ability to repair atleast one of Deidara's busted arms (One no longer had an elbow, and the otehr was crushed by Gaara's sand), and sewed Hidan's head back on. Whch is proof becuase Hidan woul not move his body when the head was cut off, but when Kakuzu reatached it, the body could move again, showing he reconnected atleast hte nerves.. I don't know what more medical ability proof you need....
If you mean when tobi first showed up, there was no bolts shown in him. It was apart of his clothing. your talking about ch 280, p.19 Ch 281, p14 shows a better look of his clothing.

Kakuzu didnt use medical ninjutsu to put hidan's head back on, he just used a thread to sew it together. Hidan only needed his his attached to his body to make it move, the nervs didnt need to be reconnected. The only way someone could reconnect the nervs would be through medical ninjutsu like saukra and kabuto can do. Kakuzu hasnt done any of thoses things.

Knowing how to sew skin together doesnt give medical specialist. And i dont remember seeing Kakuzu attaching an arm to deidera

[Draffut]

If you mean when tobi first showed up, there was no bolts shown in him. It was apart of his clothing. your talking about ch 280, p.19 Ch 281, p14 shows a better look of his clothing.
Kakuzu didnt use medical ninjutsu to put hidan's head back on, he just used a thread to sew it together. Hidan only needed his his attached to his body to make it move, the nervs didnt need to be reconnected. The only way someone could reconnect the nervs would be through medical ninjutsu like saukra and kabuto can do. Kakuzu hasnt done any of thoses things.
Knowing how to sew skin together doesnt give medical specialist. And i dont remember seeing Kakuzu attaching an arm to deidera

Tobi: Those dont look liek part of his clothign to me. Looks like they are comming out from underneath. Which is plausible. It would be silly to have random big bolts comming out of his outfit that dont serve a purpose. It's like Kauzu with masks in his back that do nothing. Or Sasori's Scorpion pet that doesn't fight, Or Hidan with a big spool of Rope on his hip that does nothing. Main charecters in Naruto dont usually have random extra features on thier outfits that serve no real purpose, except maybe those Fugly belts of Orochimaru. Maybe it would not be ninja like or something.

Deidara: in the last meeting of Akatsuki before Kakuzu dies, they are all bickering back and forth, and Kakuzu states there that he repaired atleast one of Deidara's arms. Since now he has BOTH arms back, it's plausible to assume he fixed them both.

Hidan: how would just putting the head back allow him to move his body again? I am confused, if the body can't move before the nerves and spinal cord are severed from his brain, how would they suddenly be able to move if those thigns arn't repaired.

Kakuzu: THe man has lived for longer then any know villian so far, and most liekly any being in the narutoverse except the Bijuu's. He has shown mastery of 4 different elements (out of 5 total), and seamed to have incredible chakra reserves and control. Add all this to his ability to fix both Hidan and Deidara's limbs, it is not farfetched at all to see Kakuzu having atleast a good amount of medical knowledge (Maybe not as much as Sakura/Tsunade, but alot) Atleast enough to Put a crushed Tobi back together with some nuts and bolts.

[Undying]

He uses the ropes to connect limbs/heads to their place. But Obito had half his body crushed off.

Besides, what reason do the Akatsuki have to revive a dead Uchiha? Hardly a sentiment from the man who killed his entire clan...

[.Rik-uh-shey]

apparently the revival theme is quite popular in Naruto fans...this is not Dragon Ball Z ppl where every season they go looking for Dragon Balls to revive a friend that f*cked up

[Alex26]

Well, his "clothes" looks like they have screws, so that would xplain y sasuke couldnt hurt him, now ninjas haves automail >.< ... Still, i dont think kakuzu (sp?) fixed up his body, i mean, for what reason he'll want a half death Uchiha child...

[Kenpachi-Dono]

i still say the leader is the 4th..could be one of Orrochimaru's experiments with the 4th's dna that went out of control and gained to much power

[Undying]

4th is dead.

But at least there's logic to resurrecting the 4th, unlike another character.

[Kenpachi-Dono]

the first and the 2ns were dead too until Orrochimaru resurrected them

[Draffut]

Yes, if Tobi was resurrected would be silly. So lets have Zetsu save him.

[Undying]

the first and the 2ns were dead too until Orrochimaru resurrected them
That is a jutsu. It requires chakra to maintain. There's no real point in keeping Tobi alive by wasting someone's chakra. Not to mention, there's absolutely no reason to even ressurect Tobi.

[Draffut]

That is a jutsu. It requires chakra to maintain. There's no real point in keeping Tobi alive by wasting someone's chakra. Not to mention, there's absolutely no reason to even ressurect Tobi.

Where does it say it requires Chakra to maintain? Did I miss something?

[Undying]

It's simple logic. Any jutsu requires chakra to maintain. So what's hard to see?

[Juujika]

Where does it say it requires Chakra to maintain? Did I miss something Yea you need chakra to maintain a jutsu, you cant just start a jutsu then its charka free till its over. It uses charka over time and if people didnt remember, Oro was summoning the 4TH HOKAGE during the fight with the 3rd hokage.

He needed the body and some special item of the hokages to make them into dolls. So 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th hokages are all dead. 1st,2nd and 4th are all dolls that could be summoned by oro. The 3rd is just dead.

[Draffut]

It's simple logic. Any jutsu requires chakra to maintain. So what's hard to see?

Orochimaru said he would ressurect Dan and Nawaki if Tsunade fixed his hands. Tsunade said she knew he was telling the truth.

Do you really think Orochimaru would summon them, then be able to keep them alive by funneling chakra into them from hundreds of miles away when him and Tsunade split ways? To me it seams, once they are ressurected and sealed, they stay alive without further Chakra support. It just takes alot at the begining, and a host body, amoung other things.

Yea you need chakra to maintain a jutsu, you cant just start a jutsu then its charka free till its over. It uses charka over time and if people didnt remember, Oro was summoning the 4TH HOKAGE during the fight with the 3rd hokage.
He needed the body and some special item of the hokages to make them into dolls. So 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th hokages are all dead. 1st,2nd and 4th are all dolls that could be summoned by oro. The 3rd is just dead.

Naruto doesn;t have to expend extra Chakra to maintain Shadow Clones. He also doesn;t have to to keep Gamabunta (or any frogs) summoned. Those are actually dependant on the summon's chakra. Seals, like the one used to seal Kyuubi inside of Naruto, dont require constant chakra to hold. (Unless Yondaime is channeling it from the grave)

Now, some, like most basic of the 5 element jutsus, and thigns like Rasengan/Shadow Bind require chakra to be maintained. but not even clsoe to all.

Actually, summons all seam to be dependant on the summons chakra. and yes, Orochimaru's jutsu is a summon.

Oh, and the 4th may be unsummonable by Orochimaru. He did suposidly use the death god jutsu, so I dont think orochimaru will be summoning him back. and no, we dont know who was in the 3rd coffin.

[Juujika]

Orochimaru said he would ressurect Dan and Nawaki if Tsunade fixed his hands. Tsunade said she knew he was telling the truth.
Do you really think Orochimaru would summon them, then be able to keep them alive by funneling chakra into them from hundreds of miles away when him and Tsunade split ways? To me it seams, once they are ressurected and sealed, they stay alive without further Chakra support. It just takes alot at the begining, and a host body, amoung other things.
Naruto doesn;t have to expend extra Chakra to maintain Shadow Clones. He also doesn;t have to to keep Gamabunta (or any frogs) summoned. Those are actually dependant on the summon's chakra. Seals, like the one used to seal Kyuubi inside of Naruto, dont require constant chakra to hold. (Unless Yondaime is channeling it from the grave)

Actually, summons all seam to be dependant on the summons chakra. and yes, Orochimaru's jutsu is a summon.
Oh, and the 4th may be unsummonable by Orochimaru. He did suposidly use the death god jutsu, so I dont think orochimaru will be summoning him back. and no, we dont know who was in the 3rd coffin.

Also if you forgot, Naruto when he first became a Genin it was said by kakashi himself "shadow clones, but i doubt you can maintain them for long" Shadow clones, just like any other jutsu takes chakra to maintain it. Even special summons from different worlds.

In the cases of dead body summons, we cant tell if it would depend on the summoners chakra or the one summoned chakra since it was never a prolonged thing. I believe the summoners chakra is used to keep whatever binded to the living world for a short period of time and all the jutsu's or moves done by the summoned thing use its own chakra. Other wise naruto could summon a huge frog and have it be its body guard all week long and it not waste any of his chakra to maintain it.

as for not knowing who was in the 3rd coffin... well lets look at this logically, the 3rd hokage being old and wise knew what jutsu Orochimaru was doing and he even wasted charka to stop Orochimaru's jutsu since he knew what was in the last coffin. He even said he had to stop the 4th hokage from being summoned at all cost. You think orochimaru would summon two hokages and in the 3rd coffin a nobody?

The 4th is dead and was sealed into a doll, thats it. Hes not the akatsuki leader, hes just dead. At most the 4th is naruto in child form from a mis-fire when sealing the kyuubi.

Seals dont use chakra to maintain them, once a seal is done like the kyuubi in naruto, thats it. It uses a huge chunk of chakra and takes that to put whatever into the seal then finally close it off. Some seals are greater chakra requirements and body requirements then others.

[Undying]

Orochimaru said he would ressurect Dan and Nawaki if Tsunade fixed his hands. Tsunade said she knew he was telling the truth.

Do you really think Orochimaru would summon them, then be able to keep them alive by funneling chakra into them from hundreds of miles away when him and Tsunade split ways? To me it seams, once they are ressurected and sealed, they stay alive without further Chakra support. It just takes alot at the begining, and a host body, amoung other things.
It still requires chakra use. Also, even IF this Jutsu is something that does not require continuous chakra usage, i.e., not Edo Tensei, it is still a forbidden Jutsus that is obviously not common knowledge, making it less likely that anyone would know it beside Orochimaru (as we know he strove to develop a Jutsu for eternal life, so of course he studied resurrection, but there is absolutely no evidence that he taught it anyone else).

And also, nothing you say will change this point: WHY. WHY would someone resurrect one of the most weak, useless Ninja in Konoha history? This is simply beyond me.

[Draffut]

It still requires chakra use. Also, even IF this Jutsu is something that does not require continuous chakra usage, i.e., not Edo Tensei, it is still a forbidden Jutsus that is obviously not common knowledge, making it less likely that anyone would know it beside Orochimaru (as we know he strove to develop a Jutsu for eternal life, so of course he studied resurrection, but there is absolutely no evidence that he taught it anyone else).

It does require chakra to use. I am not doubting that. All jutsu's require it. but Maintain is anouther sbject.

And also, nothing you say will change this point: WHY. WHY would someone resurrect one of the most weak, useless Ninja in Konoha history? This is simply beyond me.

Well, I dont think the jutsu was used to resurrect Tobi, so I dont have an arguement for that. I think Zetsu saved him with his abilities to merge with just about any substance. (including the rock he was under) Maybe as a protege. who knows.

[Jinchuu]

Well to everybody who said it was fourth or an Uchiha... in your face suckers! He's finally revealed and as I foretold he's just a random dude with powerful jutsus.

[ShinigamiBane]

yes, but seeing as how predictable Kishi is being, it probably is the fourth >.>
And actually, in the manga, Edo Tensei isn't about to summon for the forth. The case is unmarked. It's only marked in the manga.

The Manga is what the Anime is drawn from, so that means it's not the Fourth. My guess is that the Akatsuki Leader is either Madara Uchiha, Ten-Tailed Bijuu Jinchuuriki or an unintroduced yet very important character in the Naruto Series.

Also, I doubt the Fourth Hokage would kill people just to get his hands on the bijuu, unless of course he's part of some elaborate conspiracy to end the world, lol. The only thing I can think of to support this is that the reason he sealed Kyuubi into Naruto is so he could later take it from the blond jinchuuriki without the hassle of trying to beat the nine-tailed demon in a fight.

For some reason everyone seems to say the Yondaime is the strongest shinobi in history, when the matter of the fact is that his reputation is built on two of his techniques, the Hiraishin and the Shiki Fujin, as well as his war efforts. Sure, he managed to seal Kyuubi, but I have a feeling the Sandaime could do that in his prime as well.

[mangaman16]

i knew this tread would have been revived after that spoiler lol.Soon enough all of the akatsuki will be killed off and the leader will reveal himself to fight naruto on his own.I think the leader is from a different village than the leaf village.The latest spoilers seem to clear up this yondaime=akatsuki leader idea or that he is from the leaf village.

[Draffut]

ShinigamiBane, Yondaime was a force to be recconed with, and was choosen as the "God of Shinobi's" Sucessor at a relitivly young age.

When he went into war, the opponents told even thier Jounin's to run if they saw him. This was before he even became Hokage.

His Hirashin technique is just.... insane. Also, he would have needed to have a number of other jutsu's to bcome a Kage. (He made Rasengan to begin with)

It's pretty safe to assume that Saidame is the only ninja to maybe have been more powerful. And Sasori/Itachi the only ones to be in hte same realm so far. (Potentially AL and BH)

[Juujika]

Man the AL looks so damn cool with all thise piercing and crazy eyes.

[99wattr89]

There is no ten tailed bijuu...
And his hair is the wrong colour to be the Fourth or Madara...

So I guess he's probably a new character.

[Draffut]

There is no ten tailed bijuu...

Thank you Kihimoto, I didn;t relaize you attended these forums to tell us these things which we have no proof of either way.

And his hair is the wrong colour to be the Fourth or Madara...

But it's actually VERY similar to Naruto's, meaning it is probobly he is related to our main char.

[99wattr89]

Thank you Kihimoto, I didn;t relaize you attended these forums to tell us these things which we have no proof of either way.
But it's actually VERY similar to Naruto's, meaning it is probobly he is related to our main char.
If there were ten then wouldn't there be ten members of Akatsuki?
Also, didn't Chiyo confirm that there were nine?
And I think I remember another character mentioning that there were nine at one point.
The mythical beasts they're based on number nine too.
Also Akatsuki's goal is not not seal the beasts into people.

I agree his hair resembles Naruto, but isn't it a bit too orange?
A half-brother perhaps?

[GoldenFire]

I know what the akatsuki leader looks like so if you want to see him, just read chapter 363.

I'm glad he's been introduced, however after seeing him I have more questions than before due to his appearance.

He looks badass btw.

[Draffut]

If there were ten then wouldn't there be ten members of Akatsuki?

Thanks for arguing my point for me!

There are actually 10 Akatsuki. But when Orochimaru left the organization, he took his ring with him so he couldn't be replaced.

Also, didn't Chiyo confirm that there were nine?
And I think I remember another character mentioning that there were nine at one point.

Yep, Chiyo did say their were 9. Are you implying Chiyo knows everythign about everything in the Narutoverse?

The mythical beasts they're based on number nine too.
Also Akatsuki's goal is not not seal the beasts into people.

They arn;t all from japanese mythology. The Sanbi was a very unique creation. (It was oroiginally a shark in the mythos) Kishi could veyr easily change otehr parts.

I dont actually think these is a 10th Bijuu or anything, but just saying there isn;t is silly, sicne we have no proof of it.

I agree his hair resembles Naruto, but isn't it a bit too orange?
A half-brother perhaps?

It looks exactly alike. I am saying father or uncle. Probobly AL = father, 4th = Uncle.

[99wattr89]

Thanks for arguing my point for me!
There are actually 10 Akatsuki. But when Orochimaru left the organization, he took his ring with him so he couldn't be replaced.
Yep, Chiyo did say their were 9. Are you implying Chiyo knows everythign about everything in the Narutoverse?
They arn;t all from japanese mythology. The Sanbi was a very unique creation. (It was oroiginally a shark in the mythos) Kishi could veyr easily change otehr parts.
I dont actually think these is a 10th Bijuu or anything, but just saying there isn;t is silly, sicne we have no proof of it.
It looks exactly alike. I am saying father or uncle. Probobly AL = father, 4th = Uncle.
Oh, my mistake.
But I rather assumed that Kishimoto used Chiyo to tell readers more about the bijuu, so yes, it is possible that there is another bijuu, but it's very unlikely, which was was I meant when I said there was no tenth bijuu, of course, we can never know anything with absolute certainty.
Their hair colours don't match though, like I said, look;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Naruto01.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Akatsukispread.jpg

[bludd]

He isn't from the leaf village he is from the village hidden in the mist.

[99wattr89]

He isn't from the leaf village he is from the village hidden in the mist.
Did we see his forehead protector at some point?
Did I miss it?

[Draffut]

Their hair colours don't match though, like I said, look;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/Naruto01.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Akatsukispread.jpg

So? Father and Son dont have to match perfectly. The color could very easily be influenced by whomever his mother was.

He isn't from the leaf village he is from the village hidden in the mist.

Who is? The only Mist ninja we know of are Zabuza, Kisame, and Suigetsu.

If you are refering to the AL, he is from Hidden Rain, which is a completely different nation.

[99wattr89]

So? Father and Son dont have to match perfectly. The color could very easily be influenced by whomever his mother was.
Who is? The only Mist ninja we know of are Zabuza, Kisame, and Suigetsu.
If you are refering to the AL, he is from Hidden Rain, which is a completely different nation.
Yeah, that was my whole point though, that their hair colours were not identical...
I'm not saying they aren't father and son at all.

Also, when did we find out which village AL is from?

[Draffut]

He's wearing a crossed out headband.

http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc71/th_46091_c8j3mcdj_2_123_71lo.jpg

See

[99wattr89]

He's wearing a crossed out headband.
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc71/th_46091_c8j3mcdj_2_123_71lo.jpg
See
Wow, I don't remember seeing that before, I must have somehow managed not to notice it each time I read it... xD

EDIT: I just read the latest chapter... no wonder I didn't remember seeing that before... XD

[Draco]

well at least we know what village he was from as well as who his partner is

[Kira]

the Akatsuki leader looks just the way I imagined him to look.

much like Pokefreak's fanart.

[ian101]

Yeah i dont remember them saying that Uchiha Madara was the first Uchiha.. Though the first Uchiha would look weird compared to the rest. Since the Uchiha were a mutantion from the hyuuga clan and it would take some time before the Uchiha's reached the normal status we see them look like, i wonder if the hyuuga clan member had a child with another blood line limit person and there child became the first Uchiha.
I wonder how the Nine tails met Uchiha Madara, whether the guy went looking for the nine tails or he defended the leaf village when the nine tails attacked, They only talk about the nine tails attacking the village once which was before itachi went nutts and killed off 99% of the Uchiha members.
Its possible Uchiha Madara got the idea of using the all the beasts for his own then left the leaf village and became a missing Nin and started the foundation for the Akatsuki group. After the nine tails was sealed and before Itachi killed off the clan.


eherm i really wanted to comment on this peice of idea.
I would like to start by spitting out my opinion and rather limited analysis on the the history or the genesis of the uchiha clan. Although its not confirmed that they where descendants of the byukugan clan i strongly believe that what happend or took place to create such a sinister clan is what is about to manifest..
If u look at the story line kishi has laid emphasis on "those eyes". and with all the awe of revelation being exposed on how the akatsuki is a puppet organization and thier leader is a mere subject to some other being....
this can only mean that akatsuki is not as tough as it gets..(if u know what i mean).. there sems to be another group controlling the string thats more sinister an,smells like dark abyss and i the oblivion itself....on in which pain plys a role as the kabuto of their team

[Jeagerjaques]

He looks like a visual kei band member... his eyes are so freaky lol. I just hope he's got some very nice skills =) I'm determined to get the same number of earrings has he...

[Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou]

Some Fanboys are lost, they just don't know were to put the're made-up theories after last week's chapter AL = Yondaime, theory destroyed, Lol!

[Zolo]

True. One thing I hate about Kishi's art is that sometimes he too lazy to go into detail with some hair styles.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Anybody know what those swirls in his eyes are?

[Zolo]

One side is telling me it's apart of his technique/s and the other is it's just a non importance design like Kurenai's eyes.

[4thseal]

^i'm pretty sure it's a kenki genki. It's too noticible imo.

[^Panther^]

are u sure that it's the previous 4th hokage?

[Fidchell]

Well to everybody who said it was fourth or an Uchiha... in your face suckers! He's finally revealed and as I foretold he's just a random dude with powerful jutsus.


QFT

[^Panther^]

what's QTF?

[4thseal]

^lol, QTF = "quoted for truth"

[II Xion II]

are u sure that it's the previous 4th hokage?

Who Pein?

He's not the fourth and never will be. It was a lousy theory that blew up in smoke when Pein's face was shown and his village revealed as Rain.

Not to mention the Fourth is dead.

[ian101]

lol look closely at that guy
AL is none other than the yondaime brother.. narutos uncle LOL Muahahaha

[4thseal]

^I actually think he looks more like naruto's brother than anything else. He looks about itachi's age.

[^Panther^]

people say that he's the previous hokage....remember very clearly that he sacrificed himself to stop the kyubii. how would he have survived that?

[4thseal]

^there are theories that "explain" how Yondime could have survived. Their all bs in my mind--he's dead.

[atemikage]

oh well pein isnt a leader hes a puppet ..........

[4thseal]

^technically he's the leader of the Akatashi. I wouldn't excatly call him a puppet. He might be, but you'd think someone with that many persings has a problem with athority.

[^Panther^]

oh well pein isnt a leader hes a puppet ..........
wait, what? he's a puppet? who's controling him?

[4thseal]

lol, he's refering to the last chapter (364) where we found out pein was taking orders from someone who was in the shadows.

[^Panther^]

i didn't know he ws taking orders from anyone. i haven't read the latest chapters yet though, so that may be it...

[4thseal]

^Well, I suggest you definitly get caught up. We got to see what AL looks like in the last chapter--really cool!

[Kira]

Yea, Pein is kick ass!

[^Panther^]

okay, i'll catch up too now...

[ian101]

madara is thier leader after all who would have guessed but me...lol

[Kira]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Mizukage34/Naruto_364_pg18.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Mizukage34/Naruto_364_pg19.png


That's not Madara lawl, that is still Tobi.

and Pein is still the Akatsuki "Leader".

so.. wtf... Obito = Tobi theory comes back again.

[4thseal]

^that's the only conclusion I can make. Tobi kinda makes it clear he's not Uchia Madara. So, there only on other uchia we know of---obito

[Kira]

Yea, this is interesting.

I want to see how Kishi runs with this plot twist. Although an expected plot twist.

[XING]

the leader is the fourth hokage i read it in absoluteanime.com

[Kira]

the leader is the fourth hokage i read it in absoluteanime.com

:( you spoiled it for me

[/nonsense]

[4thseal]

the leader is the fourth hokage i read it in absoluteanime.com


^are you joking. Fourth's dead man--he's dead.

[99wattr89]

We already know that Pein is not Yondaime.

[sniperz]

and pein rocks all the guys who claim his yondaime :P ownnneedd =D

anyway pein looks like naruto's dad =p watcha gonna says XD

[CruciaL]

All this "Speculations" has to stop.

At first we have Yondaime or Madara as the Akatsuki Leader, then boom

The author did the right thing and create a NEW CHARACTER in Naruto.

Wouldn't it much better if there's new characters in Naruto than DEAD PEOPLE coming back to life FFS.

Anyway, Tobi's coolness had just raised. :D

[4thseal]

^by like 100%!

[TargaryenX]

That last page leads me to believe that Tobi isn't Madara. If Madara were really strong enough to be the "leader" of Akatsuki, and he's been alive though all of Naruto 1, I find it hard to believe that he wasn't even mentioned, what with all of the plot developments centered around the Uchihas. I think it's fairly obvious that Tobi is Obito now though, I mean, if you had two sharingans, why would you intentionally cover one of them up with a mask?

[Kira]

Yup, tobi = Obito talk is back.

But wait...... didn't Tobi confront Naruto while Sasuke was fighting Deidara...

[Draffut]

That last page leads me to believe that Tobi isn't Madara. If Madara were really strong enough to be the "leader" of Akatsuki, and he's been alive though all of Naruto 1, I find it hard to believe that he wasn't even mentioned, what with all of the plot developments centered around the Uchihas. I think it's fairly obvious that Tobi is Obito now though, I mean, if you had two sharingans, why would you intentionally cover one of them up with a mask?

Itachi did mention him. When he told Sasuke that there was anouther MS user at some point.

Regardless, I am still a Tobi = Obito fanboy, but the Madara thing is very viable.

[CruciaL]

写輪眼の本当の力が…このうちはマダラの力が」

And Sharingan's true power... the power of I, Uchiha Madara, shall prevail*!


WTF, translations got fcked up in the latest chapter we read?

[Kuroi Getsuga Tenshou]

I'm amazed, this much evidence againts Al=Yon and fanboys stioll won't accept it!? the power òf Fanboys far exceed my expectations

~beyond control~

[99wattr89]

I'm amazed, this much evidence againts Al=Yon and fanboys stioll won't accept it!? the power òf Fanboys far exceed my expectations
~beyond control~
Well it never made sense to begin with, I don't know why people ever thought it was true.

[^Panther^]

i think there might be a lot more to tobi now that i know he's a uchiha. at the same time, that is kinda boring considering there is already an uchiha in akatsuki...

[mangaman16]

Well according to wikipedia tobi is madara uchiha.WTF!So tobi is the one who kyuubi says has a more sinister chakra than him.Tobi probally has the best sharingan now and best jutsus.So when pein fails his mission lol Tobi could easily do the job.

[Tyekanik]

The new level of badass is now officially sharingan. It's getting a bit big for its britches in my opinionated mind.

[4thseal]

Well according to wikipedia tobi is madara uchiha.WTF!So tobi is the one who kyuubi says has a more sinister chakra than him.Tobi probally has the best sharingan now and best jutsus.So when pein fails his mission lol Tobi could easily do the job.

Wikidpeida is not in anyway a reliable source for naruto (for many things really.) We have no proof yet that Tobi is madara. WTF, indeed....

[TargaryenX]

I'm a fan of the theory that Obito is either being possessed or is just crazy and thinks he's madara, the one-eyed mask and the hair make it a pretty obvious conclusion to me that the body at least is Obito's.

Crackpot theory: Maybe Zetsu is working for Madara somehow, and when he found Obito half-dead, he decided to use him a vessel to reincarnate Madara. The goofy Tobi that we've seen so far could either be an act, or it could actually be Obito's personality that Madara lets show as a cover.

[Tyekanik]

Obito's right eye should have been crushed. His left eye is in Kakashi. If by some strange twist of twilight zone antics he lived, he wouldn't have the sharingan.

A second twilight zone moment would have to be him taking someone elses sharingan while blind, or talking someone into doing it for him.

It can't be Obito, not without some insane stretches.

[6thEspada]

Wikidpeida is not in anyway a reliable source for naruto (for many things really.) We have no proof yet that Tobi is madara. WTF, indeed....
proof wtf ru talkin about the latest chapter is proof enough he said it out his own mouth "the sharigans trus power, my power of uchiha madara" and if im not mistaken the same person that said this was the one who allegedly claimed to be tobi which is truly infact uchiha madara only thing missing now is the face behind the mask

[4thseal]

^lol, i like how you're like all the proof is in what tobi said but conclude by saying it is neccessary to see tobi's actually face to prove that tobi is madara. What tobi said at the end is up to speculation and has been continously debated on this forum (and many) others all week. So, yes, there is no one that anyone can claim right now that Tobi = Madara.

[Jinchuu]

Fanboys never get any smarter do they?
Guys, use the gift that God gave you, your ****ing brains.
I always said that Leader was a different shinobi with exceptional skills and techniques and BOOM, I was proven right. It's not like I hit the jackpot or knew insider information. I just used my mind and let myself open to other ideas. Sure, it could have been Yondaime or ****ing Chouji's uncle or even Naruto's evil twin brother but some of you guys just get stuck with one opinion and go with it all the time. I mean Tobi being Obito sure is a possibility, mainly because of the mask-sharingan and name trio but he himself said he was Uchiha Madara and unless there is any other evidence or progress in the story stop making stupid shit up and annoying the smart people, or more like the people who like to use their brains. I respect your opinions but please for God's sake don't come here to post after seeing it in a fan website or Wikipedia.

p.s: And here is the thing Obito was a teenager when Kyuubi attacked the village or was roaming around the world before 4th sealed him. How the **** is he going to attain such power and psycho mindset in a matter of couple years. By the time he died he could barely use the damned Sharingan and not to mention he sucked as a shinobi.

[DJ StarScream]

He never said he was Uchiha madara he sayed and I quote. "My power Uchiha Madara's power. The true power of the sharingan" He never claimed to be Uchiha Madara so you must have taken it the wrong way.

[Jinchuu]

My power, Uchiha Madara's power, the true power of Sharingan. They are all different sentences yeah and I know he doesn't claim he's Madara. But, again considering the timeline and chances of Obito meeting or somehow obtaining Madara's power before meeting the Kyuubi. I doubt that it's possible therefore I think he might mean he is Madara.

[DJ StarScream]

Might isn't 100% yes he is Madara. He could some way be obito you never know somebody could have used the jutsu the old lady used on obito and then gave him a mask. Somebody could also take the body of Itachi's friend and use the same tech that rin used on obito.

[mangaman16]

Everyone always has a different translation,that is why it is good to know japanese.Anyhow i think we should just wait till more chapters come out to see if it backs up your opinion before people start flaming.If someone makes an opinion you should respect it and if what they say turns out to be wrong then you could tell them"i told you i was right" and say it was the stupidist theory ever.And about wikipedia,for years i have been using for quoting and things like that and for me it has always been reliable but then again the editors they are only human and may make mistakes but imo wikipedia has always been reliable.It always has footnotes and so on.

[Jinchuu]

What old lady, what mask? What you talking bout boy? Do you mean the tensei jutsu that Chiyo developed and probably didn't teach anyone else since she hasn't mentioned teaching it to anyone, besides as she said it was classified as a tensei jutsu. But yeah your way is possible too, but from your point of view, **** he could be Sasuke's dad or any other Uchiha that Itachi supposedly slaughtered. Or he could be any other guy from a different village.

@ mangaman: dude, this very second, I can go to Wikipedia and edit the shit and write that Tobi is Sasuke's younger brother. Are you going to believe that as well? I mean you said it yourself that editors can make mistakes or tottaly make things up and you still think it's reliable? Ofcourse unless a person is not retarded they'll edit something obvious like the American Civil War, but this is a manga and fan fiction is very popular and judging from the actions of fanboys, editing Manga related topics are common, thus making the information unreliable. And, I respect peoples opinion as long as they are not insistent. I mean, if you come up to me and say, "Hey, I think Tobi is Obito." and stop there. I'd probably say "Yeah, he might be.", but most of the posts by fan people in here are posted without proofs or even reasons. Show me your proof or simple reasoning and I'll consider it a serious opinion and try not to be prejudiced and judge people.

[4thseal]

Just to add, I actually could argue just as equally that Tobi = Danzo, if not more when you look at how we actually have more of Danzo to look at and more proof than we have of Uchia Madara, who has only been mentioned twice in the entire manga.

[Jinchuu]

Isn't Danzo missing an arm thou?

[4thseal]

lol, well, true. My point is that you can argue many things about who tobi is right now.
But, look at danzo:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z297/dja3693/P.jpg


it could be argued that he's hiding his arm, just like he's hiding his real eye, which would be tobi's other eye in this theory.

I'm not saying that danzo = tobi %100. There's in fact quite a few holes in the theory. But, still it's more proof than Uchia Madara = TObi.

[DJ StarScream]

It could be reattached easily. What if Zetsu was spying on her when she was using the tech. Zetsu could easily blend in without her noticing.

[Jinchuu]

He could be spying yes, but as far as we have shown in the manga you can't learn a technique by just looking unless you have a Sharingan.
I figured that Danzo lost his right arm and eye on a big explosion *lol* He could be hiding it thou, nothing is certain at this moment. All we know is that Tobi is either a genuine Uchiha or at least a person who is related to Uchiha Madara and obtained Sharingan some weird way. My personal opinion; I go with Option A.

[DJ StarScream]

There is another way he could be anybody and the sharigan eye could have been cut out and given to him.

[Draffut]

Obito's right eye should have been crushed. His left eye is in Kakashi. If by some strange twist of twilight zone antics he lived, he wouldn't have the sharingan.

A second twilight zone moment would have to be him taking someone elses sharingan while blind, or talking someone into doing it for him.

It can't be Obito, not without some insane stretches.

Not really, simply stating that his right eye wasn't crushed isn't very farfetched. For a rock like that to crush his eye, it would have also crushed his brain and killed him instantly. which wasn't the case.

And he does have the bolts and screws sticking out of his outfit to further support the theory. (Someone tried to tell me a few months back that those were just part of his coat. HA!)

[KholdStare]

lol, well, true. My point is that you can argue many things about who tobi is right now.
But, look at danzo:

it could be argued that he's hiding his arm, just like he's hiding his real eye, which would be tobi's other eye in this theory.

I'm not saying that danzo = tobi %100. There's in fact quite a few holes in the theory. But, still it's more proof than Uchia Madara = TObi.


Well it's quite obvious who Tobi is now :). The translators made a mistake and have confirmed that Tobi is , in fact, Uchiha Madara.

[mangaman16]

I still trust wikipedia because if someone goes and posts nonsense someone else will edit and change it when they realize.And besides i always check the footnotes and read the actual chapter.I thought tobi would be obito but now kishimoto has added madara to cause confusion.

[KholdStare]

I still trust wikipedia because if someone goes and posts nonsense someone else will edit and change it when they realize.And besides i always check the footnotes and read the actual chapter.I thought tobi would be obito but now kishimoto has added madara to cause confusion.


You should go to the discussion tab in the Akatsuki article and you will see how much they argued about Tobi's identity. They really are picky but the translator himself has stated that Tobi is Uchiha Madara.

[Kira]

Which can be found through these series of links.

click (http://forums.bleachportal.net/showpost.php?p=1843292&postcount=30)

[Draffut]

I still trust wikipedia because if someone goes and posts nonsense someone else will edit and change it when they realize.And besides i always check the footnotes and read the actual chapter.I thought tobi would be obito but now kishimoto has added madara to cause confusion.

They have actually locked the page, so thsoe of us with logic on our side can't go edit it to state that he is nowhere near confirmed to be Madara.

[mangaman16]

lol Oh well. I would like if tobi is obito and for kakashi to find out just to see the look on his face.

[Bankai_Zangetsu]

Al cant be yondaime we know that because when oro was fighitng the third he just about summoned his ass but got cancelled.

[Seff]

That only happened in the anime, so it dosent mean anything.

[Jeggo]

From Wikipedia:

Though Pein seems to be in a position of authority over the other Akatsuki members, he also reports to someone else above him. After Deidara's death, this person assigns him to capture Naruto directly, unwilling to accept any more failures. The identity of this person is later revealed to be Tobi who, in turn, is also revealed to be Madara Uchiha and the true mastermind behind Akatsuki.

AL= Pein is not the fourth ( ... ofc not ... ) and also not madara either. he IS a random uber shinobi , with a connection to konoha no doubt. Madara's apprentice or sth..

[Jinchuu]

Ok thank you for the information, now mind to tell us something that we haven't discussed before and not obvious at this moment?

[Jeggo]

^_~ am i obliged to read all the replies? not. so why would i know that u are aware of that?....

[Mercurius]

Yeah...pretty surprised thatTobi turned out to be...Madara, anyway....Currently I'm just dying to see Pain and the woman in Action...


And what will hppen if Itachi, Sasuke or the Kyuubi find out about Madara