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SLVR
05-03-2007, 04:08 AM
Yah think the man used steriods?

Rorschach
05-03-2007, 06:06 AM
Yes he did... knowingly, like most of the players from that era :rolleye09

plus he has admitted to "unknowingly taking steroids..." allegedly...

Jedi Taicho
05-15-2007, 02:59 AM
He probably did take steroids but now i betchu he's not and he's still hitten HR. So the HR that were made when he took steroids should not count and the ones that weren't on steroids should count but who's going to break Bonds to confess. Probably will never happen but I still think he's a very good baseball player w/o steroids.

Cassie
05-15-2007, 03:55 AM
I really don't care if he took steroids or not. While physical strength is important, hitting baseballs require much more than plain strength. For Bonds to be at the level that he was at a few years back, I don't see what steroids really could've done for him.

Outlawz
06-12-2007, 12:39 AM
I think he probably did, but if I had to vote him into the hall of Fame as of now, I would have no choice but to vote yes, you cant keep a man out of the hall or the record books based on your personal opinions.

suburbanhell
06-12-2007, 12:40 AM
Hmm poll's closed. I say yes he did.

M I Z U
07-09-2007, 06:22 PM
Steroids or not.

Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player we have seen in our lifetime so far.
Our lifetime! Meaning people born after 1985.
Before he got big, He already had 450+homeruns, 400+steals , 3 MVPs, alot of gold gloves.

By that number alone, being in the 400/400 club, puts you in the Hall of Fame.

Of course, A-Rod is going to break the homerun record. He's only 31 years of age and has 494 Homeruns already.

Rorschach
07-09-2007, 06:32 PM
They said the same about Ken Griffey, Jr. too... I'll start believing the A-Rod is the next home run king when he gets to 600, and is still healthy.

M I Z U
07-09-2007, 06:52 PM
They said the same about Ken Griffey, Jr. too... I'll start believing the A-Rod is the next home run king when he gets to 600, and is still healthy.

He's never been on the Disabled List since 1997.
He doesn't play a dangerous position. 3rd Basemen, compared to Griffey's Center field position.
He already has 30 Homeruns , 86 RBIs so far this season, and we haven't played the All Star Game yet.
He's only 31 and not reached his prime yet. with 494 Homeruns.
He averages about 45 Homeruns a years ever since he was 19-20 yrs old..

Mount Gay
07-09-2007, 11:13 PM
Oh course he took steroids, but now tell me who you know hasn't taken steroids. I mean seriously we can't judge him differently then everyone else unless we are willing to judge everyone in the same era exactly the same, the truth is that most of the players during this time probably took steroids, but who is to say who did or didn't without proof, we just have to live with the fact that most players probably did. I guess I just don't really care that much, I am glad to see Bonds break the record, I don't care he took steroids, nor do I care that others did, I just find it annoying that all they do is ***** about Bonds taking steroids but they rarely try to look at everyone else.

I mean look at Roger Clemens and try to tell me he didn't take steroids.

SLVR
07-10-2007, 05:36 AM
Barry was HOF before he got big FYI folks

Mount Gay
07-10-2007, 08:58 PM
Before he took steroids he was still a great player, he had the gold gloves, he had the steals, he even hit home runs, easily HOF, just after steroids he had a few big home run seasons, catapulting him to the record.

doobiesnacks
07-15-2007, 08:30 AM
Guys.. SCREW Barry Bonds!

The guy is a self-loathing absorbed prick. Forget about the Baseball, the dude is rotten from the core of his mind. His College Team voted unanimously to ban him from the team so he’s been a punk from the start. He is a cocky, arrogant cock. It is pathetic how he is not playing the victim. Just more proof of his lack of character. The whole reason he took enhancing beef roids was because of his lack of confidence and stupid mind + retarded arrogance = cheating and beein a dick head in general. I am not going to ignore his skill! The dude was an incredible hitter and when younger he was the 5 tool player, but that is where it all ends. Watch him now. He is a pathetic, hurt, overweight DH who is chasing a record that will be shattered in about 10 years.

Beef roids don’t enhance your skill in any way. That is a misconception. What they do besides the obvious strength enhancement, is shorten your recovery time from injuries so when he was getting older his body wasn’t. They don’t make you hit the ball any more, but adds an extra 20 feet.

If anyone really wants to argue the fact that he took enhancement crap, then drop dead cause you aint using your brain!

Concerning the HOF. If Pete Rose can't get in, then all the roid heads shouldn't get in either.

M I Z U
07-17-2007, 08:23 AM
1. So you are agreeing he was a HOF before taking drugs. Yet you still deny him.
2. He played in the National League all of his Major League career. DH is only for American League. Yes, that means he still plays Left field for the Giants.
3. Pete Rose deserves to be in HOF, so does Barry.

and people stop repeating what i said on my first post. >.>

opusx
07-31-2007, 04:04 PM
Oh course he took steroids, but now tell me who you know hasn't taken steroids. I mean seriously we can't judge him differently then everyone else unless we are willing to judge everyone in the same era exactly the same, the truth is that most of the players during this time probably took steroids, but who is to say who did or didn't without proof, we just have to live with the fact that most players probably did. I guess I just don't really care that much, I am glad to see Bonds break the record, I don't care he took steroids, nor do I care that others did, I just find it annoying that all they do is ***** about Bonds taking steroids but they rarely try to look at everyone else.

I mean look at Roger Clemens and try to tell me he didn't take steroids.

ok, he didn't take steroids. You are talking way out your butt. There is a huge difference between bonds and many other players. Bonds isn't the only one people are pissed at either, McGuire is pretty hated now. They both are perfect examples too. Clemens has thrown the same since he came in to the league, and aside from typical body changes due to aging he hasn't had a crazy change in strength or size. Now you take 2 other players, McGuire and Bonds; when they first started playing and for quite a while afterwards they were thin lanky guys who hit for average with a fair amount of home runs. They weren't going to hit 50 homers a year but 30 very possible and probably be like 30-30 and maybe 3 years out of their entire career 40-40. All of a sudden they are 50 lbs heavier and string as hell and hitting 20 to 40 more home runs a season than they previously did. You tell me the season where clemens all of a sudden had 50 more strike outs and was throwing 5-10 mph faster? Aside from the change from his rookie to maybe 3rd year Clemens has been very steady. Anyone who knows about baseball knows that he is a monster when it comes to keeping in shape, the young guys can't keep up with Roger to this day. Bonds and McGuire are hated because they completely changed their games by taking something illegal, if they were already that big and hitting 60+ homers a season then fine, but it dramatically changed this. I think it is far more obvious who took roids than people would like to admit. Bonds is going to be indicted in 2 months from what I am hearing, this will all be a moot point after that and his record will be gone, erased from baseball like he should be.

SLVR
08-01-2007, 08:34 AM
Public opinion people!!! Numbers should get them into the hall unit their is raw hard evidence that he took steriods. You have to look at 100% of the power hitters from the early 80-2000's with a asterisk. But the fact of the matter is their numbers validate them being in the HOF if their is no proof. The only right thing their is to do is to hold yer own opinion and look at thier name on the HOF list with a "?"

M I Z U
08-05-2007, 02:37 AM
Well, Barry Bonds just hit the 755th homerun

he's now tied with Aaron.

Rorschach
08-08-2007, 04:18 AM
SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds hit No. 756 to the deepest part of the ballpark Tuesday night, and hammered home the point: Like him or not, legitimate or not, he is baseball's new home run king.

Bonds broke Hank Aaron's storied record in the fifth inning, connecting on a 3-2 pitch from Washington's Mike Bacsik. Three days earlier, Bonds tied the Hammer with a shot to left-center in San Diego.

"Thank you very much. I got to thank all of you, all the fans here in San Francisco. It's been fantastic," he said shortly after crossing home plate, his godfather, Willie Mays, at his side.

"I got to thank my teammates. Through all of this, you've been strong and given me all the support I needed and I'll never forget it as long as I live."

After thanking his children, he said: "I'm glad I did it before you guys went to school."

To the Nationals, he said: "Thank you for understanding this game. It means a lot to me."

He saved his late father, Bobby, for last.

"To my dad," he said, his voice broke as he pointed to the sky. Through tears, he added, "Thank you for everything."

Conspicuous by their absence were the commissioner and Aaron himself.

Bud Selig was on hand for the tying homer, deciding to put baseball history ahead of the steroid allegations that have plagued the San Francisco Giants slugger. On this night, he sent an emissary, Major League Baseball executive vice president Jimmie Lee Solomon.

As for Aaron, he said all along he had no interest in being there whenever and wherever his 33-year-old mark was broken. He was true to his word, but he did offer a taped message of congratulations that played on stadium's video board.

"It is a great accomplishment which requires skill, longevity and determination," Aaron said. "Throughout the past century, the home run has held a special place in baseball and I have been privileged to hold this record for 33 of those years. I'll move over now and offer my best wishes to Barry and his family on this historical achievement. My hope today, as it was on that April evening in 1974, is that the achievement of this record will inspire others to chase their own dreams."

Absent, too, were the fans who held up asterisk signs, sure that Bonds wasn't the real deal and that his power came from steroids.

Bonds didn't face such suspicions at AT&T Park, in front of a loyal, home crowd. Bonds has always denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Yet even with Bonds at the top of the chart, fans will surely keep debating which slugger they consider the true home run champion. Some will continue to cling to Aaron while other, older rooters will always say it's Babe Ruth.

"It's all about history. Pretty soon, someone will come along and pass him," Mays said before the game.

A seven-time NL MVP, the 43-year-old Bonds hit his 22nd home run of the year. Bonds broke Mark McGwire's single-season record by hitting 73 in 2001 and while he's no longer such a force, opposing pitchers remain wary.

Bonds and Giants management bickered in the offseason over contract issues. This big night was the main reason owner Peter Magowan brought back the star left fielder for a 15th season in San Francisco, signing him to a $15.8 million, one-year contract.

Bonds' once-rapid quest for the record had slowed in recent years as his age and balky knees diminished his pace. He hit 258 home runs from 2000-04, but has only 53 since then.

While steroids have tinged Bonds' pursuit, it was race that was the predominant issue when Aaron broke Ruth's mark in 1974. Aaron dealt with hate mail and death threats from racist fans who thought a black man was not worthy of breaking the record set by a white hero, the beloved Babe.

Former commissioner Bowie Kuhn watched Aaron tie the record but was not present for the record-breaker, a slight that bothered many fans of Aaron. Selig is a close friend of Aaron's and offered Bonds tepid congratulations when he tied the record.

"I think Hank is his own man," Mays said. "I think if he wanted to be here he would be here."

"When he hit 715, the commissioner wasn't there," he said. "You may not blame him because he wasn't represented the right way."

Bonds was destined for stardom at an early age. The son of All-Star outfielder Bobby Bonds and the godson of one of the game's greatest players, Bonds spent his childhood years roaming the clubhouse at Candlestick Park, getting tips from Mays and other Giants.

"I visualized him playing sports at a high level. He was 5 when he was in my locker all the time," Mays said.

In a matter of years, Bonds went from a wiry leadoff hitter with Pittsburgh in 1986 to a bulked-up slugger. That transformation is at the heart of his many doubters, who believe Bonds cheated to accomplish his feats and should not be considered the record-holder.

There are plenty of fans already hoping for the day that Bonds' total -- whatever it ends up -- is topped. Rodriguez may have the best chance, with his 500 home runs at age 32 far ahead of Bonds' pace.

Well he finally did it, now we won't be held hostage by Giants games on ESPN :rolleye09

SLVR
08-08-2007, 04:36 AM
Gratz to the New HR Leader!
If you did cheat or didnt great accomplishment. Most players could hit 756 with roids

doobiesnacks
08-08-2007, 04:44 AM
SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds hit No. 756 to the deepest part of the ballpark Tuesday night, and hammered home the point: Like him or not, legitimate or not, he is baseball's new home run king.
Bonds broke Hank Aaron's storied record in the fifth inning, connecting on a 3-2 pitch from Washington's Mike Bacsik. Three days earlier, Bonds tied the Hammer with a shot to left-center in San Diego.
"Thank you very much. I got to thank all of you, all the fans here in San Francisco. It's been fantastic," he said shortly after crossing home plate, his godfather, Willie Mays, at his side.
"I got to thank my teammates. Through all of this, you've been strong and given me all the support I needed and I'll never forget it as long as I live."
After thanking his children, he said: "I'm glad I did it before you guys went to school."
To the Nationals, he said: "Thank you for understanding this game. It means a lot to me."
He saved his late father, Bobby, for last.
"To my dad," he said, his voice broke as he pointed to the sky. Through tears, he added, "Thank you for everything."
Conspicuous by their absence were the commissioner and Aaron himself.
Bud Selig was on hand for the tying homer, deciding to put baseball history ahead of the steroid allegations that have plagued the San Francisco Giants slugger. On this night, he sent an emissary, Major League Baseball executive vice president Jimmie Lee Solomon.
As for Aaron, he said all along he had no interest in being there whenever and wherever his 33-year-old mark was broken. He was true to his word, but he did offer a taped message of congratulations that played on stadium's video board.
"It is a great accomplishment which requires skill, longevity and determination," Aaron said. "Throughout the past century, the home run has held a special place in baseball and I have been privileged to hold this record for 33 of those years. I'll move over now and offer my best wishes to Barry and his family on this historical achievement. My hope today, as it was on that April evening in 1974, is that the achievement of this record will inspire others to chase their own dreams."
Absent, too, were the fans who held up asterisk signs, sure that Bonds wasn't the real deal and that his power came from steroids.
Bonds didn't face such suspicions at AT&T Park, in front of a loyal, home crowd. Bonds has always denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.
Yet even with Bonds at the top of the chart, fans will surely keep debating which slugger they consider the true home run champion. Some will continue to cling to Aaron while other, older rooters will always say it's Babe Ruth.
"It's all about history. Pretty soon, someone will come along and pass him," Mays said before the game.
A seven-time NL MVP, the 43-year-old Bonds hit his 22nd home run of the year. Bonds broke Mark McGwire's single-season record by hitting 73 in 2001 and while he's no longer such a force, opposing pitchers remain wary.
Bonds and Giants management bickered in the offseason over contract issues. This big night was the main reason owner Peter Magowan brought back the star left fielder for a 15th season in San Francisco, signing him to a $15.8 million, one-year contract.
Bonds' once-rapid quest for the record had slowed in recent years as his age and balky knees diminished his pace. He hit 258 home runs from 2000-04, but has only 53 since then.
While steroids have tinged Bonds' pursuit, it was race that was the predominant issue when Aaron broke Ruth's mark in 1974. Aaron dealt with hate mail and death threats from racist fans who thought a black man was not worthy of breaking the record set by a white hero, the beloved Babe.
Former commissioner Bowie Kuhn watched Aaron tie the record but was not present for the record-breaker, a slight that bothered many fans of Aaron. Selig is a close friend of Aaron's and offered Bonds tepid congratulations when he tied the record.
"I think Hank is his own man," Mays said. "I think if he wanted to be here he would be here."
"When he hit 715, the commissioner wasn't there," he said. "You may not blame him because he wasn't represented the right way."
Bonds was destined for stardom at an early age. The son of All-Star outfielder Bobby Bonds and the godson of one of the game's greatest players, Bonds spent his childhood years roaming the clubhouse at Candlestick Park, getting tips from Mays and other Giants.
"I visualized him playing sports at a high level. He was 5 when he was in my locker all the time," Mays said.
In a matter of years, Bonds went from a wiry leadoff hitter with Pittsburgh in 1986 to a bulked-up slugger. That transformation is at the heart of his many doubters, who believe Bonds cheated to accomplish his feats and should not be considered the record-holder.
There are plenty of fans already hoping for the day that Bonds' total -- whatever it ends up -- is topped. Rodriguez may have the best chance, with his 500 home runs at age 32 far ahead of Bonds' pace.
Well he finally did it, now we won't be held hostage by Giants games on ESPN :rolleye09
yeah no doubt.. that was annoying.. lol..

well i saw it and like so many before, a sweet swing perfect connection and it flew. I liked the fact it was a no doubter and not a HR that just scooted over like McGuire. Man if he gets persecuted watch out.. lol.. hell will break loose.

M I Z U
08-08-2007, 06:55 AM
Yay for Barry Bonds!!!

Greatest hitter in my generation.

I'm so happy and appreciative to the fact I saw the Homerun hit and be alive when the record is being broken.

Now, wait 10 more years, A-Rod is here.

Rorschach
08-08-2007, 02:05 PM
Cuz i'm tired of hearing the ESPN guys calling it >.>
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Mount Gay
08-12-2007, 07:23 AM
Gratz to the New HR Leader!
If you did cheat or didnt great accomplishment. Most players could hit 756 with roids
What??? Most players could with roids, LOL... There is no way, almost any player who took roids could and would never be able to reach that number, even if they took it their whole career, even if he took roids it took a lot more then that to get there...

Since I live in the Bay Area I am a little biased, but I love the fact he broke the record, I went to the game before he broke it and the next game cause I had tickets to those but not the game he hit 756 :(

SLVR
08-12-2007, 07:24 AM
I meant couldnt. But Jose Canseco has a great quote I will post when I find it

Rorschach
08-13-2007, 04:52 AM
I liked the fact that it was a mets fan that was going to Australia, oh who just happened to get a couple tickets from someone that night who got the ball.

SLVR
08-13-2007, 04:58 AM
any guesses to how much the ball is worth?

Rorschach
08-13-2007, 02:27 PM
Someone offered $500,000 plus the guy said he might keep it.
I'd hold the ball hostage and demand more money... and season tickets to my favorite team's home games.

SLVR
08-14-2007, 12:41 AM
Id want 1.5 mill. 500 in cali goes away real quick.

Ryuzaki
08-15-2007, 01:45 AM
I'd hold the ball hostage and demand more money... and season tickets to my favorite team's home games.

lol, I think you can get 2 season tickets to your favorite baseball team. =P


And yes, I do think Barry Bonds knowingly took steroids.

peacmaker
08-15-2007, 06:26 AM
I'am mix on this subject, because I 'am afican american and want to be proud of of Barry Bonds. However, I just have this feeling that guy may have use steroids to broke a record. I really have not kept much with Bonds and hope one day the truth will finally come out whatever or not Bonds did or not use steroids. If it turns out to be truth that record will remove for sport history books and another player (hopefully clean) will show truth baseball fans this how you break a record.

M I Z U
08-15-2007, 06:43 AM
Don't worry, when A-Rod breaks it, Barry Bonds can rest in peace.

The heat will be on A-Rod then, so the pressure will be off Bonds.

Also, steroids heals the muscle quicker. You still will have to be a work horse in the weight room. It's not like *Rub cream on me, watch me hit some homers*.

Individual talent and skills would still have to exist to hit a 90+mph fastball, or a mind boggling curveball.

It may have helped him heal faster and play through his old age, but I believe 80~85% of the home runs he's hit in the later stages of his career was on his own raw talent and gifts.

Jose Canseco is a joke now. He accuses of A-Rod "doing" something.
Why didn't he accuse A-Rod of this in his first book?

All he's doing is trying to sell his book. What a quack.

SLVR
08-15-2007, 07:02 AM
Don't worry, when A-Rod breaks it, Barry Bonds can rest in peace.

The heat will be on A-Rod then, so the pressure will be off Bonds.

Also, steroids heals the muscle quicker. You still will have to be a work horse in the weight room. It's not like *Rub cream on me, watch me hit some homers*.

Individual talent and skills would still have to exist to hit a 90+mph fastball, or a mind boggling curveball.

It may have helped him heal faster and play through his old age, but I believe 80~85% of the home runs he's hit in the later stages of his career was on his own raw talent and gifts.

Jose Canseco is a joke now. He accuses of A-Rod "doing" something.
Why didn't he accuse A-Rod of this in his first book?

All he's doing is trying to sell his book. What a quack.Jose Canseco is credible now because almost all he said has been provin and what hasnt been proven has not beem disproven. Jose says he has something which means he just could have found something not that he has known

M I Z U
08-15-2007, 07:23 AM
So if A-Rod was not having a .300/39HR/114RBI season so far, Canseco would still be saying this?

I don't buy it. The most he can have on A-Rod is his lifestyle issues. Like his gambling a few years ago, problems with his wife, etc.

Canseco has never been in close contact with A-Rod.
Never been on the same team.
A-Rod was a 21 year old skinny shortstop who had 36 Homeruns in his full season.
As he got older, nearing his mid twenties, A-Rod packed some muscles, which is normal for athletes. Alex Rios is a skinny young pup right now, with homerun powers. He will develop a more muscular frame when he is older.
A-Rod has hit 35 homeruns or more in 10 straight seasons. and 7 Seasons with 40 or more homeruns.

All that power. So early. So Canseco has allegation on A-Rod, why didn't he say it in his first book? Why not spill all the beans at the first chance. Why wait till now when A-Rod is on the verge of another MVP season and probably a 30+ million a year contract waiting at the table.

Canseco was right in the first book because his allegations has been on former teammates of his.

Yet, what is right? He was right about Giambi, and right about Palmeiro.

Giambi admitted using it.

Palmeiro got caught using it.

Yet, Big Mac, Bonds, Sosa, has never tested positive.

So to me, if he has some evidence, why didn't he say it in his first book, or, why not approach this "new" evidence toward George Mitchell, who is the person handling the Steroids issue for Congress.

Why does he need to write another ****ing book?

He wrote it the first time, so the issue could be addressed.
Now that it is being handled and addressed by Major League Baseball, there's no need to write another book.
Just testify to congress.

So I stay with my previous statement, he's out to make more money.

SLVR
08-15-2007, 07:29 AM
Why would Canseco want to help baseball when it screwed him out of the game? He is laughin most likey at the steriods problems.

Also Market value. Their could also be a chance that he knew this from the beggining and he released a first book on key suspects to see how much money, publicity, attention ect. And now that the book he realeased has become a sucess with facts in it he could make even more by releasing another book with even bigger marke names.
Jose Can not see the future if Arod was gonna have another MVP season.

M I Z U
08-15-2007, 07:34 AM
Which is why he is a quack, out to make more money.

In 2010, we would hear from this son of a ***** again.
Saying, "Oh Hi, I got some stuff on Albert Pujols. Come buy the book to find out".

2015, "Oh hi, Jose Reyes is not really all innocent, come buy the book to find out why,"

SLVR
08-15-2007, 07:41 AM
Just because he wants money does not mean he is a bad dude, he may be selfish but he is credible which means you will listen and hold a opinion if he was not credible nobody would care to hear what he has to say. What if we find out later if in his book A-rod took steroids? He was out to make money to begin with and in the process had gained credibility by many experts. Jose still has contacts and stuff in the league most likely and is being told something.

If he wants to make more money more power to him if this is all true. Baseball player who take steroids are out to make money because its a performance driven sport the better your numbers the more you get paid.

M I Z U
08-15-2007, 07:52 AM
I'm just saying. He has earned credibility.
He wrote the first book to slap MLB on the face.
Who slapped MLB's face? Congress.

Before he wrote the book, there were nothing done to the steroids issue.

After he wrote it, Congress got on MLB's ass. So, mission accomplished.

Now, if he has newer evidence. "Which I highly doubt, the new millenium of baseball has no connection with Canseco. His previous allegations had all been based on pre-2000 seasons". Why not just eliminate the middle-man, and go to congress and leak this information.
There's no need for another book attract the attention of congress to MLB's ass. and by doing so, he mentions A-Rod's name. Which is a lowblow. Even if Canseco's second book has nothing to do with A-Rod being on performance enhancement drugs, the connection will always linger in the publics' minds.

camber
08-15-2007, 08:35 AM
I did some number crunching earlier this year on the home run totals of Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa for a discussion my family was having on the subject of steroids. These numbers only go through part of this year, but that doesn't really change much. For each of these three players, I found that there was a huge sustained power surge where the home run totals jumped by an almost unthinkale amount. For Sosa, this surge began in his late 20's. For McGwire and Bonds, it came in their early to mid 30's, when even great players usually begin to decline, and virtually never surge to sustained levels higher than anything they had achieved even in their primes. Each of these player's average home run totals per 162 games (not the same as average season totals) before and after a given year in his career, along with his age in that year, are as follows:

Bonds (34 y.o.)
pre-1999: 35
1999- : 54

Sosa (27 y.o.)
pre-1996: 26
1996- : 51

McGwire (32 y.o.)
pre-1996: 38
1996- : 73

Bonds had less of a jump than McGwire or Sosa, but his surge also came later in his career. To jump nearly 20 home runs per 162 games over your career average at the age of 34 and sustain that well into your 40's defies what invariably happened to every player in the game for over 100 years as they got older, and defies it in a way that is exacty in line with what steroids would aid. Add that to the mountain of evidence against him already (there is a whole book of it, after all), and there is no doubt in my mind that he took steroids, along with the other two on this list and who knows how many other players. I'm not denying that Bonds was a great player before he took steroids. He may have ended up one of the best all-time without drugs, but sadly, we'll never know that. As great as he was before, however, there is no way that he did not benefit from the drugs. Even if you assume his home run production would not have declined at all in his later years and just continue his home run pace from his career up to 34 through his career until now, he would have about 120 fewer home runs. And that's ignoring the fact that steroids speed up the recovery process and allowed him to play who knows how many more games that he would have missed without drugs helping his body recover. All things taken into account, I doubt he would have reached 600 naturally.

M I Z U
11-07-2007, 06:52 AM
On second thought, f*uck Alex Rodriguez.

Money hungry b*itch.
I hope he trips and falls on his big stack of money.

doobiesnacks
11-15-2007, 08:29 AM
man Boston just won another Word Championship.. phock all this talk about these greedy biatches getting money shoved for a game.. psycho money they are making..

Bary Bonds.. psht.. would have gone to the hall without roids but had to be super human.. i have no respect for Barry.. he got voted off his college team for bein a dick!! come on..

man the Rockies.. hoped theid win at least 2!!

M I Z U
11-15-2007, 08:35 AM
Looks like Alex Rodriguez is begging to go back to the Yankees.

haha, after all the shit he pulled. Opting out of the Original contract with the Yankees like 3 weeks ago.

Which made the Yankees lose the funding from the Texas Rangers(who was paying for parts of A-Rod's salaries).


About Barry, he's too old, and he has nothing to offer.

What team will risk signing him?

he already broke the homerun record, so that's no use to sign him for that purpose.

Rorschach
11-15-2007, 02:17 PM
The Yankees should say F-you to AROD and sign that Marlins third baseman instead.

SLVR
11-18-2007, 01:02 AM
Yankees and Sox can go F_ck each other. Im tired f their crazy spending. Anyways Buh Bye Barry see you in 15 years

socrlax24
11-24-2007, 12:37 AM
I personally think Bonds took steroids. I have no proof, or evidence to back me up, it's just an opinion, so don't fight me on it please.

Off topic: Anyone hear about the Marian Jones thing? She got all her records stricken from the books because she took steroids!

M I Z U
11-27-2007, 09:18 PM
Because Track and Field are different from MLB.

They have no second thoughts about stripping medals and erasing records.

Tai Dai
11-27-2007, 09:23 PM
Of course he took them knowingly. Did he just look up to the sky and then thousands of steroids just popped into his mouth, no he saw them and shoved it down his thrown that cheating bastard!

M I Z U
11-27-2007, 09:26 PM
Actually, Barry didn't intake steroids orally. He had a cream based steroid rubbed on his ass or legs.

Rorschach
11-27-2007, 11:38 PM
Well he really didn't cheat, as using steroids for performance enhancing use wasn't against baseball rules until at least '04 AFAIK. He's just a dick, thats why everyone hates him.

M I Z U
11-28-2007, 12:58 AM
He's still a dumbass for lying though.

It's clearly he used steroids and there's no way baseball were going to suspend him or erase his records.

He's already been torched publicly, i can't see how much worse his reputation could get if he had just admitted using them.

SLVR
11-28-2007, 05:29 AM
People just have it in or Barry Bonds. Its so obvious by the way he is singled out its really not fair that he bites the bullet for the mid 80's-2004, other heads need to roll. I hope they keep big Mac out of cooperstown this year as well.

M I Z U
11-28-2007, 08:20 AM
I seriously lol'd when David Justice's name appeared in this year's Baseball HOF ballot.

What did he do? Marry Halle Berry and won 1 WS with the Braves and Yankees.

His career statistics are a batting average of .279, 305 home runs and 1017 RBI's

SLVR
11-29-2007, 05:43 AM
Goose has gotta get in this year. I like DJ he played for the A's

galactic_ronin
01-02-2008, 11:13 AM
I think we should all listen to what Carl has to say on the subject.
http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a25c39216575e690116589f49a50005