Himamori Vs. Kira

[Inalialethsala]

how about these two of Abarai's close friends? who will win?

[Riw]

I believe Kira would take it. Judging from their academy flashbacks, he beats Hinamori in both Kidou and swordsmanship - or at least that's the impression I get. Still, I at least don't yet have clear impression of how powerful Hinamori's shikai really is, so if she could move faster than Kira, she might have a chance. But I don't think she can.

You seem to be making quite a many new threads, by the way. Maybe they'd get more responses if you would concentrate on just a few at the time?

[SAF]

You seem to be making quite a many new threads, by the way. Maybe they'd get more responses if you would concentrate on just a few at the time?

QFT.

Hinamori's shikai fires energy blasts I think. Kira's doubles the weight of whatever it touches...Can't see Hinamori beating that effect to be honest. Kira's shikai wins. Hinamori has the better Kido skills so it's a tough call. I'd say Kira for his shikai' s effect.

[Undying]

Hinaori takes this.

Kira is wrothless.

He's a weakling.

He can double the weight of whatever his sword touches.

But Hinamori is a Kido special.

He won't touch her before the blasts him away.

In speed and offensive they are pretty equal (see their short brawl when Aizen was discovered dead), but Hinamori's Kido gives her the clear advantage.

[Riw]

I wonder.

In the academy flashback episode (46?) Kira is shown to at least initially possess greater Kidou abilities than Hinamori, even though she later is called kidou specialist.

[Undying]

Meaning he is now a Kidou specialist as well?

It doesn't mean anything.

Rukia's sword skills sucked when she was in the Academy.

Now she can hold her own against a sword-wielding VC-level arrancar.

What was in the Academy doesn't really matter (unless you are suckage in Kido like Renji).

[Jay3205]

I see Kira winning. Although Hinamori's a "kidou specialist", she probably relies more on her zanpakutou ability as most shinigami seem to do. Even the kidou users (namely Byakuya and Rukia) seem to only use kidou as a supplement to their sword techniques, and Hinamori won't be able to hold up against Kira's shikai for long.

[Miyagi Rikku]

Hinamori + Rage = Rampaging Hinamori


:O Hmm... maybe we should do that,.. Rampaging Hinamori vs Kira >;o

[Undying]

I see Kira winning. Although Hinamori's a "kidou specialist", she probably relies more on her zanpakutou ability as most shinigami seem to do. Even the kidou users (namely Byakuya and Rukia) seem to only use kidou as a supplement to their sword techniques, and Hinamori won't be able to hold up against Kira's shikai for long.
I beg the differ.

Kido user =/= Kido specialist.

Hinamori blasts holes in walls with ease. And that without her kido. Kira only weights stuff down.

Not hard to see who's got the advntage in every field.

[koolspot]

Kira´s Shikai abbility is very useful however, when i saw Hinamori shooting those reiatsu or petal balls to Kira the first time i was surprised. So I am Hinamori´s Side this time.

Hinamori is a strong VC. WHen she was pissed no one stood in her way except for Kira and she didn´t want to attack him so....

Hinamori Wins

[Jay3205]

So far, no shinigami has even managed to land a kidou successfully against a serious opponent who wasn't caught off guard. Hinamori isn't the miracle child to break this pattern. Like every other shinigami fight, it'll come down to a close range battle, which he has a severe advantage over Hinamori. Kira wins easily.

[Ichi-Zoro 3]

Kira's shikai is so powerful that he doesn't need a bankai to beat a bounto, so i guess kira will win

[Rmage]

all the flashback shows is kira having better accuracy at hitting the target. i believe the flashback also shows hinamori using kidou against the hollows, but the other two just used theri zanpaku-tos. I say Hinamori would win this. Her being a kidou specialist is a plus, but she's also not afraid of Kira. As far as speed goes, I predict they're pretty even, with Hinamori possibly being a bit faster. The fact that she's smaller and a girl (girls tend to be faster than guys in these sorts of things) could make her faster.

Kira also didn't defeat the Bounto, especially since that wasn't the Doll's true form.

[Monkey_man]

kira he could just hide in a corner and wright Himamori in his death note

[Miyagi Rikku]

kira he could just hide in a corner and wright Himamori in his death note
OMG best reply evar! XD:Domo :Domo :Domo :Domo

[Guy]

Hinamori will most likely win. I agree about Kira having a cool and cheap zanpakutou, but that's only good for hand-to-hand or sword-to-sword combat. Against a projectile weapon like Momo's tobiume, it's useless.

[h3h3h3]

I think Kira takes this pretty easily, Hinamori has too many feelings and I doubt she can even fight her friend.

[Guy]

Lol, are we even watching the same Bleach? Hinamori WOULD attack Kira, in fact, she did! And it doesn't changes the fact that Hinamori's zanpakutou is effective against Kira's.

[Miyagi Rikku]

If it involves Aizen...she will kill for Aizen.

[Lust]

mm if kira manage to hit hinamori zanpaktou then its over for her,she doesnt have the strength to lift it up when its heavy

[h3h3h3]

@Guy_sacae: Yes we are. And there's no longer a person Hinamori would defend like Aizen, Hinamori cries when noob wabisuke comes lol.

[Jay3205]

I think Hinamori's shikai is being pretty overrated. Granted it is a long range zanpakutou, it's not difficult to dodge. It's a fireball... it probably won't hit anyone unless she surprises the opponent (in Bleach, no long range attack ever lands unless the opponent is surprised). It would come down to a sword fight, where Hinamori would get beaten.

[Guy]

@Guy_sacae: Yes we are. And there's no longer a person Hinamori would defend like Aizen, Hinamori cries when noob wabisuke comes lol.

Where the hell did you get the idea that she'll cry when wabisuke comes out? Hell, if you're going to be that literal, then this fight will never take place at all! This thread ought to be closed, because Hinamori and Kira are on the same side and would never fight.

[Rmage]

hinamori would not cry because she was ready to rip hip shreds in that one episode. As for not fighting for anyone but Aizen, I'm sure she'd fight for herself as well as for Hitsugaya. Even if she can't lift up her sword because of wabisuke, she's got a whole aresenal of kidou at her disposal.

[Guy]

Wabisuke's weakness is projectile weapons. Hinamori is at an advantage because of that.

[h3h3h3]

No Hinamori goes in corner and cries.

[~FrOsTy~]

hinamori can kido even without sword. corner kira into corner and blow his arm away

[cupnoodles]

kira freaked out about drawing his sword against hinamori. 10 seconds into the fight he's gonna be grabbing his head going crazy crying about how he's such a jerk and wallow in self pity.
he loses. hinamori's like...his kryptonite.

[Zanga]

Wabisuke's weakness is projectile weapons. Hinamori is at an advantage because of that.

And Projectiles can't do shit if the guy's right infront of you =/ She can't keep backing away trying gain some distance, Kira's not stupid, he'll move in.

I'm willing to bet that Kira's faster than Hinamori too, so her firing fireballs won't really be happening(unless Hinamori can lift heavy stuff)

But then again, I don't about her Kidou skills. She's apparently a master, so I can't really tell.

I'm leaning towards Hinamori just because Kidou can range from anything(binding,blinding, kamehaha waves etc.)

[+KuSaKaBe+]

Yeah, Tobiume may allow Hinamori keep her distance during a fight, but letting loose those fireballs drains her reiatsu. By the time she's depleted her reiatsu, Hinamori would be too exhausted to fight back and Kira would weigh her down with attacks from Wabisuke, making it impossible for her to even stand. But I doubt Hinamori would actually fight back strictly with her zanpakutou's kido-based attacks. She'd probably try to at least mix up her attack patterns, reserving her reiatsu and preventing her moves from being predictable.

[cupnoodles]

reiatsu isn't exactly mp in video games >.>

[Zorokai]

kira cos his shikai is cooler cos it like doubles weight each time =]

[MaskedShinigami]

Himamori would win its not all in the zanpakuto like with Kira, she could shoot fireballs to keep him busy, all the while chanting a Kidou move binding him in place then, chant an uberly powerful Kidou and blow him away, if hes not dea then she can pummel him with fire balls till she passes out... yea Himamori would win

[Jay3205]

^^ Long range attacks don't work unless they are insanely huge or are used in surprise, or are done by Ishida. It's not difficult to dodge a fireball with the ability to shunpo. Kira is not a rookie... if he wants to get in close, he can. I have a hard time believing Hinamori can actually aim kidou, do binding chants, and simulatneously keep a large distance from another vice captain.

The fact is, aiming while attacking while running away while concentrating on kidou would slow down movement dramatically. Not even Byakuya uses kidou while running around against weaker opponents. Hinamori can't do it against an equal opponent and hope to win.

[Rmage]

first of all, byakua rarely runs, and the only people he's actual fought so far are Ichigo, Renji, and the leader of the Bounto's (his name escapes my mind at the moment). And why would he have to use kidou when his shikai is more than enough to deal with his opponents. he did use a binding kidou on renji though. Plus, we've only see Hinamori use her shikai once, so we don't even if what the full extent of its power is. What if she can direct where it goes with her mind, kinda like Byakuya with his shikai. When she fired her shikai at Ichimaru, it missed but Ichimaru didn't even move to block it, which leads me to believe she missed on purpose, kinda like a warning shot. she's not given enough credit. remember when she used that kidou to put the guard to sleep. she looked crazy mean and serious.

[Jay3205]

first of all, byakua rarely runs, and the only people he's actual fought so far are Ichigo, Renji, and the leader of the Bounto's (his name escapes my mind at the moment). And why would he have to use kidou when his shikai is more than enough to deal with his opponents. he did use a binding kidou on renji though. Plus, we've only see Hinamori use her shikai once, so we don't even if what the full extent of its power is. What if she can direct where it goes with her mind, kinda like Byakuya with his shikai. When she fired her shikai at Ichimaru, it missed but Ichimaru didn't even move to block it, which leads me to believe she missed on purpose, kinda like a warning shot. she's not given enough credit. remember when she used that kidou to put the guard to sleep. she looked crazy mean and serious.He would need to run, to avoid getting stabbed. Regardless of whether he "has to use kidou", the fact is he does use it, and he's never running around and dodging attacks while he uses it while simultaneously attacking.

Also, there's no reason to assume Hinamori controls fireballs with her mind. It's a blast, that travels the path of any other blast. There's no reason to "warn" Gin when she's trying to seriously kill him.

Maybe she is underrated, but she is on the same level as Kira. Kira could easily chase down Hinamori. When Hinamori is flat out running, she is roughly Kira's speed. How the hell is Hinamori gonna outspeed him while using and aiming her zanpakutou (thus necessarily running backwards), making accurate shots, and simultaneously use binding kidou.

[Guy]

Well, what makes you think Kira has such speed? Even if he does, remember, if Kira screws up in dodging even once, he may be in big trouble. And Kira has to hit Tobiume several times before it gets too heavy.

[Zephiroth]

Well ... all Kira has to do is block a few of Hinamori's attacks and her Zanpakuto would be as heavy as hell. While shes struggling to carry it , all Kira has to do is slash her and he wins.

[Jay3205]

Well, what makes you think Kira has such speed? Even if he does, remember, if Kira screws up in dodging even once, he may be in big trouble. And Kira has to hit Tobiume several times before it gets too heavy.I don't assume Kira has great speed... just speed that is near Hinamori's speed. All Kira has to do is run and get near, and he has advantage. Hinamori has to aim at Kira with her zanpakutou (thus being backwards somewhat), hope Kira doesn't dodge, and somehow do a binding spell at the same time? It may be possible, but it would hamper her speed.

Dodging fireballs does not seem difficult at a long range, as Tobiume is not fast nor very large. Also, Kira is around Hinamori's strength, so he won't be utterly devastated from 1 hit. It will only take 2-3 hits to dramatically reduce Hinamori's ability to successfully defend with her sword. 6+ hits would just make it too heavy to lift.

[Rmage]

I say that Hinamori might be able to control her fireballs because, when she shot it at Ichimaru, instead of hitting him, it curved to hit the building. I say she fired it as a warning shot because he was walking away, so she wanted to get his attention. Besides, how honorable would it have been for her to just attack him while his back was turned, even if she was crazy angry.

[Jay3205]

She was extremely angry. To get someone's attention, you chase them down. You don't try to kill them, then miss to maintain your "honor". Considering her captain was killed, she probably wasn't thinking of being honorable.

Besides, in the manga, she does not shoot at Gin. She shoots at Kira, who dodges and the blast does not curve anywhere.

[nx6]

Wabisuke's weakness is projectile weapons.

Wabisuke's weakness is energy-based projectile weapons. Remember the Bount arc? Kira was the only Shinigami who could damage Dalk (Koga's doll). I don't think this is the first time he's been the only one who could sucessfully attack an enemy, too. I think he's a little underrated.

I think the hook his sword is bent into would be great for choping people's heads off once they're "bent over in apology" as well, but they've never had him do that.

[VinScythe]

Considering how they can each easily avoid the other's zanpakuto's, then this isn't a question of sword power at all.

On the other hand Hinamori is a famous kidou specialist, her work in that catagory earning her at least VC skill, then Aizen manipulated authority to get her in his squad. Once it comes to Kidou, hinamori can easily just hand Kira's ass back to him.

[Jay3205]

They can avoid each other's zanpakutou's as well as every other shinigami fight... they cant' for long. If one wants to close the gap, it's possible. A person who is focused on getting closer will move faster than one is running away, while attacking with zanpakutou, while using kidou.

[Rmage]

One...you can do anything you want to get your opponent's attention. Chasing them down is not the only option, especially when they're not that far away from you. Second...if you watch the Anime closely, Hinamori's fireball shoots in a straight path and then curves.

[Jay3205]

One...you can do anything you want to get your opponent's attention. Chasing them down is not the only option, especially when they're not that far away from you. Second...if you watch the Anime closely, Hinamori's fireball shoots in a straight path and then curves.Look at the manga. Hinamori never shoots at Gin. She shoots at Kira, who dodges, and the fireball hits the wall directly (straight) behind him.

[T_Ichigo]

Kira's zanpaktou is quite cheap from my view of point, but if you're tricky then it wouldn't be such a big problem to avoid the ability of his shikai.
I bet Kira would be the winner since I don't think Hinamori would win without touching Kira's sword. She's not that fast that she can avoid every hit from Kira.

[Seff vi Britannia]

Hmm...

Well, i'd say Hinamori could probably lift her swords wieght X5 without much effort, more than enough time to trap Kira in a kidou. Kira phails epicly.

[Jay3205]

Actually, Kira's sword is based on an exponential increase in weight. If Kira got 5 strikes on Hinamori's sword, it would be 32 times heavier than normal, and then 64 times the strike after that. Nobody could effectively fight with a 64 pound sword... Matsumoto couldn't even lift her sword when Kira struck it.

Also, a kidou isn't going to work if Kira is next to her chopping while she can not defend. At best, Hinamori will manage to stall Kira for a while, or if lucky get a major hit in. However, I would not bet on this, as anybody with an amount of decent speed can dodge fireballs from a distance.

[nx6]

Kira's pretty good at kidou, too. Remember the flashback episode when Renji was training in kidou? Kira was even better than Hinamori at that point.

[Rmage]

look at the anime...kira never moves. the fireball flies straight towards Ichimaru's head, and then arcs and hits the wall.

also, Hinamori can totally use kidou while Kira is attacking her. She put that one guard to sleep, and he was standing right in front of her. Plus, she didn't even have to say an incantation.

and i've said this before. Kira's not better than Hinamori. His aim was better, but that's it.

[Guy]

I agree with Rmage. Hinamori fired tobiume as a warning shot. Nobody is that cheap to attack his/her opponent without some sort of official declaration. Kira is at a major disadvantage since his zanpakutou doesn't work against projectile-types (like tobiume).

In addition, if kidou is so useless like most people here say, then why the hell do they learn it in the shinigami school?

[nx6]

In addition, if kidou is so useless like most people here say, then why the hell do they learn it in the shinigami school?

I was going to answer with "why do we learn advenced mathematics in school when most people don't even have to balance their checkbook IRL" saying that it's just one of those dumb things they make you learn, but then I remembered not all Shinigami use their Zanpakuto as their primary weapon. Think about Yoruichi and Soifon (and they were/are commanders of the Special Forces!).

[Guy]

I was going to answer with "why do we learn advenced mathematics in school when most people don't even have to balance their checkbook IRL" saying that it's just one of those dumb things they make you learn, but then I remembered not all Shinigami use their Zanpakuto as their primary weapon. Think about Yoruichi and Soifon (and they were/are commanders of the Special Forces!).

Well, maybe they want to become engineers or something when they grow up. It makes you look more knowledgble.

But in terms of fighting, everything that you learn has to be essential, otherwise, if kidou is something that jeopardizes your own safety, then wtf? Why learn it?

[cupnoodles]

math is important to ppl smart enough to actually apply them in reality.
just as kidous are useful to those who can actually get some power out of them.
the problem is only captain level shinigamis have shown the ability to cause serious damage with them.

but the fact remains that kira thinks the act of hurting hinamori is like....the greatest sin a man can commit, so he'll probably lose unless he starts off brainwashed.

[Rmage]

both hinamori and kira, as well as pretty all other vice-captains, are fiercely loyal to their Captains. for example, mayuri badly mistreats nemu, but she stays loyal to him no matter what. nanao knows that her captain is the laziest, but she never leaves his side. even though ichimaru and matsumoto have known each other since she was a child, she's more loyal to hitsugaya.

my point is that, even though i still think kira will lose, in his defense, he won't go easy on hinamori simply for the fact that she attacked his captain. he certainly did not want to fight her in the beginning, but when she wouldn't listen to him, he was ready to take her down.

[Habanero]

Euhm... Now just how relevant was that emotion mumbo jumbo on previous pages...? Hell, majority of the fights here in this section would never happen to begin with if that is taken into account. Imo, just concentrate on their abilities and set the emotions aside...

Personally, I think Hinamori isn't good enough to avoid swordfight completely, and that's where she loses. Kira just happens to have one the cheapest shikais and I think that does it for these two.

[T_Ichigo]

Kidou is just a general skill for every shinigamis, or at least for those who once have attended shinigami academy. Just like maths which someone took as example, some knowledge are general, while some are steepening, and I know that Hinamori is a steepened Kidou-user. But,
I can only imagine that Hinamori would be the winner if she standed still and keep using kidouspells at Kira, which is something I highly doubt. Can't imagine a fight without the zanpaktous touching each other, it has to sound *ching ching*. And if my imaginations are not over-imaginative,lol, then Kira would be the winner in the end.

[h3h3h3]

I see Hinamori crying in the corner, lol what biatch.

[Rmage]

i think Hinamori would be able to hold her own in a swordfight. Afterall, look at the shape her shikai turns into. It has three blades. That's gotta mean something.

[Jay3205]

It would be nearly impossible for Hinamori to beat Kira in a swordfight, since Hinamori's sword would become too heavy to use within a few blows.

[Guy]

Yes, Momo cannot win in a real sword fight, but as I've stressed so many times, Kira's wabisuke's weakness is that it is uneffective on projectile zanpakutou, just like tobiume. In addition, Hinamori's kidou skills will help. Now, don't go around saying, "but Kira will get off Momo's arms" or something like that. Bull. Why would the shinigami school teach its students a move that is DETRIMENTAL to the user him/herself? It just doesn't make any sense.

[Hinagiku]

Hinamori for the win.
Her Zanpakutou seems to specialize in both short - and long-range combat (she can catch Tobiume ablaze too, I believe), and she's a master at Kidou (she managed to break herself out of two Kidou-made cells). Kira's specializes in short-range, and although he's also good at Kidou, I'm guessing he would be more likely to try to double her weapon's weight. Even if it got to the point that she couldn't hold Tobiume, Hinamori, as I said before, is good with Kidou. So she has an advantage.
Plus, she seems to keep her Kidou in practice. And since Kidou can range from little blasts to actually knocking out your opponent, Kira would be weaker in that category.

[Jay3205]

It's more than just what zanpakutou is ineffective against what zanpakutou. It's that for Hinamori to win this, she'd have to do it completely through kidou and not rely on her sword at all.

There's no way she can use her zanpakutou ability alone and beat Kira, as anyone with a brain and decent speed could dodge a fireball from far range. Chances are slim that Hinamori could win only through kidou, as shouting the name and number make it obvious what's to follow, and she surely doesn't have Byakuya-level power in her kidou to make them exceptionally difficult to dodge. She can't possibly use her zanpakutou ability at the same time as kidou and maintain distance from Kira.

Hinamori can't attack effectively and keep a large distance away from Kira. Kira is on the same level, and it would be much easier to run towards an opponent than to use zanpakutou ability and use kidou and run away. Also, Kira went through the same classes as Hinamori, so he also knows kidou as well. Once Hinamori is disarmed, kidou won't help against the swordsman chopping away at her.

Also, with shunpo, it takes only a moment to go from far away to next to the opponent. How is Hinamori going to stay far away while successfully using kidou against Kira?

[Rmage]

who says she can't shoot her fireball from close range?

[Jay3205]

She could try, but that would be difficult in a sword fight, and she'd damage herself from being so close.

[Rmage]

not necessarily true. we all so ichigi's hollow use that one technique up close without getting hurt. plus, the first time hinamori shot her fireball, she did blew up the post right in front of her. kira had to jump back, but hinamori stood where she was, and didn't get hurt.

[sweeter]

If Hinamori is smart enough to use binding kidou at the start and proceed to energy-blast Kira, she would win.

(:

[h3h3h3]

Well there's many possibilities that may happen, sweetheart you just found out one!(btw I thought you left from CB? or was it someone else?)


Edit:lol your name is disturbing sweetheart lol,,, Sweeter xD

[sweeter]

^^Oh, I did, because I thought that by the time I returned, I would have been free from the addiction that is called "CB forumming". But I was wrong.

I think my "name" is okay, though a bit long, but I never have to worry that I'll run into someone with a relatively similar one. I realized too late that it is quite suggestive.

(:

[Goddessfreya]

hahahahhahaha,......kira don't think sooo....he just need to slash anything without any technique at all the point is he just as to slice it in order for it to weigt a ton.... i can magine hinamori sinking on the ground heheheh.