Katrina "victims" - I'm pissed

[Schoulayer]

I have no sympathy whatsoever for the majority of katrina victims.

I do have sympathy for a small number of them. Such as those stuck at a hospital or retirement home. Or those who stayed behind to help people who absolutely couldn't not be moved.

The vast majority had many days warning, almost EVERYONE had ample time and means to get out. And yet so many chose to stay in their homes regardless. It seems most stayed behind simply to loot in the aftermath. They knew it was comming, they knew what would happen, and what pisses me off so much is so many don't seem appriciative. You would think they would be humble in accepting aid. Yet so many simply shoot you a nasty look and act as if you owed it to them.

In the olden days, when somebody would do something idiotic, like build a store 30 miles outside of the city and go bankrupt, nobody would bail them out. Thats capitalism - and YOU WERE STUPID. Built a house in a danger zone? That house was destroyed? They would say thats too bad. Nowadays poor decisions of the few become the burden of everybody and public money is funneled to the "rebuilding."

Why would people knowingly choose to live in a city thats under sea level and RIGHT BY THE OCEAN? Then whine when theres a flood????? Its even more retarded considering they knew they were below sea level before the hurricane struck. Wheres the accountability. Its like building a house at the foot of a volcano.

*DURRR, VOLCANO DUN BLEW UP*.

When I hear about people demanding help *NOW* after they chose to stay, a lady buying a 800$ purse with her 2000$ debit card, people breaking into other peoples homes and pillaging/killing the residents, the amount of sheer raping and brutalizing, and shooting at police trying to bring order. I can't help but think - this was just gods way of FLUSHING THE TOILET.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but quite frankly I don't care.

[Sandal Hat]

Do you know how long it takes to evacuate that many ppl. ofcoure the sreets were fiilled and then there were no more airplanes.Find out more info about and then see if you don't care about them.And for the ppl who decided to stay i do thinks its their fault for not atleast trying to get away. Also, you would be breaking into peoples homes pillaging and killing if thats what you needed to to for survival.in the end when it comes down to it your gonna do what you gotta do to survive and thats exactly what there doin.

[Schoulayer]

Do you know how long it takes to evacuate that many ppl. ofcoure the sreets were fiilled and then there were no more airplanes.Find out more info about and then see if you don't care about them.

I'm well aware of how long it takes to evacuate a city like that, and they had plenty of time to do so. I have plenty of info about it, I have friends who were on ground zero. I'm well informed on this matter, nearly everybody who stayed there CHOSE TO.

They can evacuate by road, by plane, by train, even a bicycle would have worked. Take some initiative, they had DAYS ADVANCED WARNING. THEY KNEW THEY WERE BENEATH SEA LEVEL.

Also, you would be breaking into peoples homes pillaging and killing if thats what you needed to to for survival.

I very strongly disagree with you here. First off, I would never be in that situation, I would have evacuated long ago. Second, I would NEVER, EVER break into somebodys home and kill them for survival. I have strong morals that I would die before violating.

And for the ppl who decided to stay i do thinks its their fault for not atleast trying to get away. in the end when it comes down to it your gonna do what you gotta do to survive and thats exactly what there doin.

How is carrying three TVs doing what you have to do to survive? How is raping, or breaking into peoples homes and KILLING THEM doing what you need to survive? These people are HUMAN WASTE.

[Yggdrasil2]

..........Oh yea the warning and everything was on the news before it happened, why not evacuate? everyone is greedy inside but for people to stay behind an try to loot the aftermath thats way to far an now they get debit cards from american tax payers money, how would you feel if your hard earned money is going to some womans 800$ purse? haha pretty lame eh, what wouldn't you do with 800$? donate it? i doubt anyone would donate 800$ off the bat, so why does that woman get a purse with your money?.

new orleans - the new alantis

[Sandal Hat]

QUOTE:Schoulayer
How is carrying three TVs doing what you have to do to survive? How is raping, or breaking into peoples homes and KILLING THEM doing what you need to survive? These people are HUMAN WASTE.

I wasn't backing that up, thats just wrong.I was talking about stealing food and whatnot plus now the water is contaminated plz don't tell me that you would uphold your morales during that situation and just die. And ofcourse i don't like the issues regarding money and stuff.

[Yggdrasil2]

.........raping and killing is fine if your trying to survive?, if you needed to survive would you kill a family for yourself?. What would you do in that situation?

if they are killing to survive why not just be cannibals? take all you can eh.........

Stealing Food And Water is fine you know cause they used there debit money for it an so some guy comes along and **** them over for himself.... proves how people can be so greedy even at important times.

[Schoulayer]

I wasn't backing that up, thats just wrong.I was talking about stealing food and whatnot plus now the water is contaminated

Oh taking food supplies from a foodstore isn't what I would call "looting". That I can see, and that I would support actually. I mean food goes bad anyway without power. Thats not what DISGUSTS me.

What I don't support is so many grabbing jewelery, TVs, and all sorts of things and selling them.


plz don't tell me that you would uphold your morales during that situation and just die. And ofcourse i don't like the issues regarding money and stuff.

I would ovcoarse visit the foodstore, although I'm the kind who would probably have a storage of food and water before hurricane season even starts, so it would be a non-issue. But I can tell you, I would not forcefully kill my neighbors and steal their food. People are violating other peoples houses, killing everyone inside, stealing whatever they have to eat/drink, raping their women, then leaving like BANDITS.

That I would NEVER DO.

I'm trying to tell you whats going on in new orleans isn't just "survival." People are forming packs and gangs and violating other people for no reason at all, taking other peoples food and leaving them to starve, even if they don't need it immediately, they rob others so they can accumulate a stash of food and continue doing what they do.

1. The vast majority of people there chose to be there
2. The vast majority of those are looting anything and everything

[Sandal Hat]

So.....what are we debating?(ducks head down)

Also, rapers=Bad, you have to be pretty pathetic to rape someone after they have just been through a hurricane not to mention thats pretty low for ppl to do anywhere in the world

[Yggdrasil2]

Welcome to orleans

[Schoulayer]

So.....what are we debating?(ducks head down)

I'm saying no public money should go to them, or the "rebuilding."

Why rebuild a city thats destined to be underwater again? And I disagree with giving them free money (2000$).

[Yggdrasil2]

2000$ well spent, if you can say that and truly mean it then great, but keep in mind they also rob rape an attack, i'd also like to meet the woman with the godly 800$ purse

[Sandal Hat]

I don't think our money should go to the ppl especially if they were already insured.

But they have to rebuild the city because a beautiful country = more money(who would want to visit a country with a giant junkyard)
For a Nation to to do well you have to have beautiful land and scenery and also a military force

[Yggdrasil2]

its already good its a big pool, who wouldn't wanna take a dive there an find some treasure?!

[Sandal Hat]

its a giant pool full of alligators and dead bodies plus the water is contaminated so you can't even dring it if you get tired searching for some gold lol but it might be somewhat adventurous

[Yggdrasil2]

you know what they say, curiousity didn't kill the cat, its what he found, if you had some special armor of some sort it could be a great adventure, like titantic without the iceberg an messed up steamboat

[Schoulayer]

It can still be a beautiful country without that city. Again, its like building a town at the foot of a volcano, the town being destroyed, and rebuilding it. You have to ask yourself, why?

You know its just going to happen again. Nearly all attempts to control massive forces of nature result in damns breaking and flooding. Whats the reasoning for building a city below sea level right by the ocean? I just don't understand, why can't they simply rebuild it somewhere else, with less danger?

Why should we shell out taxmoney to continually rebuild a town thats certainly doomed?

Or they could just make it like venice. Underwater, and everyone travels around on boats. That seems more viable, but its not going to happen that way.

[Yggdrasil2]

boobs can save this world of its pure greedyness

[KibbleNSnout]

Yggdrasil your crazy

Whats the point of rebuilding stuff that will break again?

[Sandal Hat]

Whats the point of making up your bed if your just gonna sleep in it again?

[Tokoyami]

lol, the ignorance was money i could pay bill gates credit card debt with this forum.

Where to begin....

The people of new orleans, some of them didnt have the money to leave. Others chose to stay because it is there home. Some wanted to stay to try to save what wasnt destroyed by the hurricane. No one stayed just to loot the store afterwards. Saying that is an assumption based on your ignorance.

Ignorace - lacking in knowldge of a situation, subject, or other matter.

The people loot to feed themselves, they steal jewlery and other valubles to sell to get money so that they might rebuild what they had. Understand the flood wiped out EVERYTHING for some people. Homes were gone, along with creditcards, debit cards, checkbooks, cars, everything. Those who didnt loose entireley everything are incredibly lucky.

Some people have looted stores for T.V.'s and otehr items, to get one step closer to the lifestyle they once had. Of course there are those who are taking more than they need, You, Sandal Hat, me, anyone on this forum knows people who would do such a thing. Not everyone down there is trying to steal just for the sake of stealing.

There are those who take out there anger on the police, form gangs to retaliate against them. Those kind of people are everywhere, not jsut in New Orleans. Those who are raping people, beating people, there are people who would do such a thing all over the country...no...the world. Thankfully some are in jail. Again, not all of the people down there are acting like that.

Theres much more i could say on the matter, but i'd rather not, my post is long enough already. but to sum it up, if something like this happened in another major city, the same thing would happen.

If New York was to be bombed, and most of the building were destroyed, the survivors, wouldnt all just unite and rebuild, the world isnt like that. New Orleans is not behaving in any new or evil way to this country, the potential for that kind of behavior can happen anywhere in the world.

Any questions?

[Sandal Hat]

^Im with you Tokoyami even though Slayer says he/she knows someone from down there so he/she might have some valid points somewhere

[Yggdrasil2]

for people who didn't have that good life style in the past its like a buffet of eletronics and gems

its like lol rebuilding new orleans only to fill it up with the same people all over again. an if it sinks again it'll be deja vu all over again.

but then they got a point, if new orleans is rebuilt an it ends up going down again will the goverment need to give them 2000$ debit cards again? or pay over 200 billion to rebuild? its like a game of wc3. "if it goes down rebuild it till our resources run low then abandon"

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[Schoulayer]

The people of new orleans, some of them didnt have the money to leave. Others chose to stay because it is there home. Some wanted to stay to try to save what wasnt destroyed by the hurricane. No one stayed just to loot the store afterwards. Saying that is an assumption based on your ignorance.

Thats simply not true, there are tons of looters, and to say *NONE* planned on staying behind simply to loot is just gullibility. If you followed the news you would know this. Plenty of people stayed to loot. "Just staying because its there home" isn't a real reason either, its reminds me of an ostrich sticking its head underground when danger comes because it doesn't want to deal with it. I've heard some people were "too poor." Quite franky thats also BS. ANYONE can leave given a few days time, through carpool, heck, *most* could simply WALK OUT within a few days. How many of them don't have a car? How many of those without a car don't know anybody who does have a car? Give me a break.


There are those who take out there anger on the police, form gangs to retaliate against them. Those kind of people are everywhere, not jsut in New Orleans. Those who are raping people, beating people, there are people who would do such a thing all over the country...no...the world. Thankfully some are in jail. Again, not all of the people down there are acting like that.

I'm well aware those people are in every major city. I don't remember stating anywhere this is only a new orleans thing. But the kind of behavior your seeing down there is inexcusable regardless. Its a cesspool of human waste. I realize people shoot cops, and crime occurs everywhere. But in this situation we have people walking around with weapons, and in gangs, just shooting any authority figure they see as they makeout with TVs.

And looting things they don't NEED so they can "pawn them off" and rebuild what they lost is NOT AN EXCUSE. Just because somebodys poor does not mean they can break into other peoples houses and take their valuables. Food and water I can understand - but don't make excuses for this type of stuff.

Yes some lost everything, but they built at the foot of the volcano, its going to blow sometime! They chose to live there in the danger zone. They should suffer the consequences - noone should have to pay for their choice but THEM. As in no federal money

[Tokoyami]

They were udnerway on making the levys stronger. When they rebuild the levies this time they are making them stronger.

MAJOR ASS EDIT: I kno you didnt state it was a New Orleans thing only, its just it seems like subconciously people dont realize this can happen anywhere, and i think this inccident will label new orleans forever.

[Yggdrasil2]

i don't think anyone smart will move to "new new orleans" after this

[sinkinswimmer]

there's good points on both sides. it is true that there were a number of people who couldn't even afford a tank of gas so they could just get up and leave. it is also true that disasters bring out the worst in people and only the best in a few.

knowing i lived in a hot spot for hurricanes, and having advance warning that a hurricane was gonna hit my town, i think i would've left if i had the means. i don't care if it's my "home" or not. home is where the heart is, not where you keep all your shit.

[Tokoyami]

I would have left to, but some people wouldnt, like some people didnt. People didnt jsut stay there just to loot afterwards. I kno that for sure Schoulayer.

Yes some lost everything, but they built at the foot of the volcano, its going to blow sometime! They chose to live there in the danger zone. They should suffer the consequences - noone should have to pay for their choice but THEM. As in no federal money

New Orleans was built a long time ago, as were many cities in the U.S. As long as they were built here, we will help to sustain there existence in this country. Same goes for Detroit, Houston, Seatlle, NEw York, and many other cities in the country.

Its not a law, or ammendment, but it will be carried out.

EDIT: excuse me, i forgot.....

Its in the preamble......."...provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and...."

[Yggdrasil2]

Sinkin you are deep my friend.. lol an its true your home isn't where you keep your stuff. if everyone thought like that we wouldn't have looters, killers, rapers in old new orleans

[Tokoyami]

Or anywhere else for that matter.

[Schoulayer]

I think the levy idea should be scratched altogether, its just a matter of time before nature breaks through the levys again. I think they should simply build somewhere else.... but if they must rebuild *there*, I think a city on water would be the best idea. It doesn't have to be a conventional city.

[Yggdrasil2]

welcome to new new orleans now on floats lol *wave*

[Schoulayer]

New Orleans was built a long time ago, as were many cities in the U.S. As long as they were built here, we will help to sustain there existence in this country. Same goes for Detroit, Houston, Seatlle, NEw York, and many other cities in the country.

I would have to ask, why? I don't think historic value is worth building cities in a danger zone, when it can so simply be avoided by building on higher ground.

I could see how people would want to rebuild if it was a one-time thing. Like a small meteor or something. But this could happen again, pretty easily. Whats the point?

[Tokoyami]

And how, might i ask, do u move so many people to a new location, and build an entire new city for all of those people. How do u reroute any buisness that went through New Orleans. How do u get all the money for such a project. How do u get all those people to agree on such a project.

The water is already being pumped out, they are already rebuilding the levys.

It will either be rebuilt how it was, or abandoned midway, theres no way you build somewhere else.

[Schoulayer]

I would have left to, but some people wouldnt, like some people didnt. People didnt jsut stay there just to loot afterwards. I kno that for sure Schoulayer.

In my original message I said I have sympathy for a few. Such as those who absolutely couldn't get out. Like people stuck in a retirement home, or a hospital. I'm not generalizing and saying everyone there chose to stay, or that everyone there chose to stay knowing they'd loot.

I'm saying those who chose to stay to help others, or because they absolutely could not leave are a very small minority. In reality, most of the people who stayed probably didn't stay to loot, most probably stayed "because it was their home." Which is a poor reason in itself :sad:

[Yggdrasil2]

even if the levys are remade, nature works a DOT on everything

Dots - Damage Over Time

[Schoulayer]

I'd say it shouldn't be rebuilt at all at taxpayer expense. How do towns start in the first place? A few people populate an area, more keep comming, and eventually a town is formed.

If someone wants to move in *that area*, to create new new orleans, it should be done on higher ground by people who choose too. New Orleans will be rebuilt, I simply disagree with the decision to rebuild a poorly thought out city at taxpayer expense.

[Tokoyami]

DOT?

Then i'll guess they will keep rebuilding it, if it happens again.

EDIT: according to the DOT nature puts on us.

[Yggdrasil2]

new new orleans will become new new new orleans someday, since nothing lasts forever it'll just keep crashing an burning, when that day comes they'll look back an see how dumb it was to waste billions of dollers.

[General Cox]

hmmm i heard about a report the other day that said that about 50% of the people who lived there dont want to go back anyway, but they will never give up new orleans, itll always be there as a large town, just because it is of importance and it has a governor that will scream to high heaven if that happens :P

[Tokoyami]

Home is where the heart is, that phrase doesnt apply to me that much, but to some its more than enough to stay home.

[Yggdrasil2]

no one wants to go through that painful experiance again

[Tokoyami]

I would think those who are staying and those who are going back, beleive the levys will be enough, and have faith it wont happen again.

( o_o) ...... (o_o ) ........( -.-)<------goes to sleep for the night

[Yggdrasil2]

There is always a chance

Gotta Go, Great Debate

[Schoulayer]

There are so many things that can happen to levys, I've heard/seen far too many "defenses" crack and break because of a small problem and flood everything around. Not to mention the terrorist threat, and given the publicity of this I wouldn't be suprised if the new levys would be attacked.... Your creating an extreme vulnerability, an achilles heel for a very expensive city.

Moving elsewhere has none of the risk :sad:

[Tokoyami]

but it would be near impossible to move everyone, and everything that is left.

They will either rebuild in that spot, where foundations are already laid, or the people or new orleans will have to move into other cities and towns.


EDIT: but what u said about it being a waste to rebuild it might be/come true.

there is another tropical storm gaining strength, i'll post the name of it when i hear it again. But if it turns into another hurricane.....well say good buy to half the south.

[eXces]

I refuse to read any other post becuase the first post was by a closed-minded arrogant a$$hole and I must reply.

I, having lived through every possible hurricane in the last 20 years including the worst Hurricane in South Florida's history Andrew, grants me quiet a bit of experience in these matters. First, any person who wishes to stay at home in a hurricane has the right to do so, if your house, your car, your pictures and dog is I had in life I would protect it till the end. When Andrew came to South Florida MANY IF NOT ALL Floridians remained in there houses including the worst hit area Homestead. If you don't know Homestead was destroyed by Tornados within the hurricanes eye. Once the hurricane released its death grip on South Florida everyone went out to see what happened, Homestead devastated, Southern Florida without power, countless zoos and wildlife refuges destroyed, let me tell you I'm glad that you are not a politician, a senator from my state, my governer or my mayor becuase we would have been skrewed. Luckily, we had the National Guard, The Red Cross and Volunteers from around the country in South Florida 1 day after Andrew. And we asked for help, hell yes we did, I went without power for 1 month after Andrew, countless thousands that lived in Homestead were homeless, many injuries and many deaths but what you telling me its my fault that I live in an area that prone to hurricanes? Your telling me its my fault I live 30 miles away from the coastline that its my fault? So if an earthquake happens to strike California your going to just turn your head away becuase it was their choice to live there? Your Amazing Buddy. I feel for those people, and I can see that you honestly have never lived through a hurricane and its aftermath.
If South Floridians were put through 5 days wihtout help from the National Gaurd and FEMA trust me, these crazy cubans would have pillaged and done all the things these New Orleans did.

And, you wanna know who's fault it is? The Local Government, FEMA, President Bush.

Do not blame people for where they live, becuase if you lived there and you had nothing to go back home to you would be asking for help too.

[Tokoyami]

hahaha, thank you man, someone need to straighten him out on that.

[mutter]

I have no sympathy whatsoever for the majority of katrina victims.

I do have sympathy for a small number of them. Such as those stuck at a hospital or retirement home. Or those who stayed behind to help people who absolutely couldn't not be moved.

The vast majority had many days warning, almost EVERYONE had ample time and means to get out. And yet so many chose to stay in their homes regardless. It seems most stayed behind simply to loot in the aftermath. They knew it was comming, they knew what would happen, and what pisses me off so much is so many don't seem appriciative. You would think they would be humble in accepting aid. Yet so many simply shoot you a nasty look and act as if you owed it to them.

In the olden days, when somebody would do something idiotic, like build a store 30 miles outside of the city and go bankrupt, nobody would bail them out. Thats capitalism - and YOU WERE STUPID. Built a house in a danger zone? That house was destroyed? They would say thats too bad. Nowadays poor decisions of the few become the burden of everybody and public money is funneled to the "rebuilding."

Why would people knowingly choose to live in a city thats under sea level and RIGHT BY THE OCEAN? Then whine when theres a flood????? Its even more retarded considering they knew they were below sea level before the hurricane struck. Wheres the accountability. Its like building a house at the foot of a volcano.

*DURRR, VOLCANO DUN BLEW UP*.

When I hear about people demanding help *NOW* after they chose to stay, a lady buying a 800$ purse with her 2000$ debit card, people breaking into other peoples homes and pillaging/killing the residents, the amount of sheer raping and brutalizing, and shooting at police trying to bring order. I can't help but think - this was just gods way of FLUSHING THE TOILET.

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but quite frankly I don't care.




Right on those people knew it in advance they could have gotten away on foot if they had to, wouldnt you start some kind of movement when theres a level 5 hurricane is coming would you not do everything possible to get away from the worst place to be. if theres no busses to rid run walk craw get away from that place!. jeez right on with the natural selection.

I refuse to read any other post becuase the first post was by a closed-minded arrogant a$$hole and I must reply.

I, having lived through every possible hurricane in the last 20 years including the worst Hurricane in South Florida's history Andrew, grants me quiet a bit of experience in these matters. First, any person who wishes to stay at home in a hurricane has the right to do so, if your house, your car, your pictures and dog is I had in life I would protect it till the end. When Andrew came to South Florida MANY IF NOT ALL Floridians remained in there houses including the worst hit area Homestead. If you don't know Homestead was destroyed by Tornados within the hurricanes eye. Once the hurricane released its death grip on South Florida everyone went out to see what happened, Homestead devastated, Southern Florida without power, countless zoos and wildlife refuges destroyed, let me tell you I'm glad that you are not a politician, a senator from my state, my governer or my mayor becuase we would have been skrewed. Luckily, we had the National Guard, The Red Cross and Volunteers from around the country in South Florida 1 day after Andrew. And we asked for help, hell yes we did, I went without power for 1 month after Andrew, countless thousands that lived in Homestead were homeless, many injuries and many deaths but what you telling me its my fault that I live in an area that prone to hurricanes? Your telling me its my fault I live 30 miles away from the coastline that its my fault? So if an earthquake happens to strike California your going to just turn your head away becuase it was their choice to live there? Your Amazing Buddy. I feel for those people, and I can see that you honestly have never lived through a hurricane and its aftermath.
If South Floridians were put through 5 days wihtout help from the National Gaurd and FEMA trust me, these crazy cubans would have pillaged and done all the things these New Orleans did.

And, you wanna know who's fault it is? The Local Government, FEMA, President Bush.

Do not blame people for where they live, becuase if you lived there and you had nothing to go back home to you would be asking for help too.


thats has nothing to do with this you lived 30 miles inland i can feel sorry for you.BUT WHEN YOU LIVE UNDER SEA LEVEL AND RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE GULF YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF THERE BY ANY MEANS. EVEN IF YOUR WALKING YOU COULD AT LEAST MADE IT A GOOD WAYS AWAY FROM THE COAST! if you think cars a house and any thing else that you can replace is more important than your life you can sink with your stuff.

[papaya]

ehh there were to many things that went wrong that played a big part in this i dont think anyone should be blamed for this because everyone was a little at default. the biggest thing that struck me was they had to confirm that the information that was sent to the news of a level five was real even.

but just for fun of the old people it was the communists that did it all :LOL:

[Tokoyami]

Right on those people knew it in advance they could have gotten away on foot if they had to, wouldnt you start some kind of movement when theres a level 5 hurricane is coming would you not do everything possible to get away from the worst place to be. if theres no busses to rid run walk craw get away from that place!. jeez right on with the natural selection.




thats has nothing to do with this you lived 30 miles inland i can feel sorry for you.BUT WHEN YOU LIVE UNDER SEA LEVEL AND RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE GULF YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF THERE BY ANY MEANS. EVEN IF YOUR WALKING YOU COULD AT LEAST MADE IT A GOOD WAYS AWAY FROM THE COAST! if you think cars a house and any thing else that you can replace is more important than your life you can sink with your stuff.


When you think about it from our point of view, not actually being there, u and i could say that you would start walking. But knowing a hurricane was coming, and you having to leave everything you have, maybe carry a few essentials for about 30 miles for 4days.....

Not many people would leave, or could leave, some could, maybe u physically could do that for a few days, but most people cannot.

Understand people didnt just stay there thinking that they were to strong to be affected by the hurricane, most could not leave.

MAJOR EDIT: Scratch that, nvm, dont worry about it, you cant understand unless you kno people there, or have family there, or have real close friends with family there. If u dont have those you only heard through the media. Which, as someone said in the "War on Terrisom" thread in this debates section,

The media is only about 50% true when it comes to major inccidents

But anyways, u will never understand what truly happened, untill you here it from the people who were actually there.

[yamiX000]

well all I can say is that I personally don't care about the victims...if anything it was a good thing that the hurricane happened because it decreased the already to large population of people....its just mother natures way of getting back at the human race

[mistified]

Ok I'm sorry, I'm normally very civil and try to view it from both sides but this is going to be a little different.

First, I will agree, a lot of people were ungrateful. I worked in a shelter afterwards and maybe 20% said thank you. You know what though, I felt good at the end of the day because I KNEW that I helped 20% and they were grateful. I admit that the aftermath was terrible, so much chaos and horrible things were happening. BUT, guess what buddy, people are products of their environment.

I was born and raised in southern Louisiana and I'm still here. The first place you went wrong is that you don't live here, nor do you understand the mentality or the way things are done here. People would rather die than leave their homes, because of a strong connection to the place where they grew up. Plus, their home is normally all they have and something to call their own. This is where they grew up, where maybe their mom and dad grew up, plus normally all of the family lives nearby thus lending to this bond. It's not just a house, it's a home.

Second, your point of why bother to live below sea level, how weak. If your going to pull that kind punch, why not tell people to move out of California because of earthquakes and wildfires? Or people in northern states to move because of blizzards? How about people in Oklahoma to move because of their numerous tornadoes? Or people who live in Indonesia/Japan to move away because of tsunamis? It's the same logic. Yes, it may be somewhat unreasonable but the fact is people live in all sorts of crazy conditions I don't see why you seem to think we're so different.

Third, most people did not realize the threat of Hurricane Katrina until the day before. Most people went to work Saturday and when they got home that night, oh snap, Katrina is heading for us. How do you expect to evacuate so many people in one day?

Fourth, people are products of their environment, so many people could not AFFORD to evacuate. Poverty has always been a major factor in New Orleans, but do people pay attention to it, did the government pay attention to it, absolutely not. Do you think I enjoy my taxes being sucked up and then spit back out into welfare programs for those in N.O. that are sitting back watching T.V.? No, I really don't, but I understand that the government (local and state) has LET that happen because they don't want to deal with it. No, they enjoy their trips to Hawaii to much to dirty their hands actually trying to get Louisiana out of the major ruts were in. Oh no, that simply won't do. Katrina was so great for them because they can honestly do nothing about it now. How fortunate! The government didn't even send buses until late Sunday; even then they only got a few busloads out. So many didn't even have a way out.

Fifth, guess what, Katrina was bad granted, but what really was the kicker was the levee system. The flooding wasn't even really caused by Katrina. Yet another task the government failed on. More than 40 million has been poured into that system, but guess what trip they took this time? Oh lovely Malibu, it was just so beautiful. Oh, and of course the rest went into their pockets. If those levees had received the proper care, I daresay none of this would have happened.

Sixth, yes another government failing, obviously these people on welfare haven't been getting their checks so they began to demand something at least. Well, let's give it to them! They all agreed upon 2000 dollars. What do you think these people are going to do with it? I wonder??? The politicians are now feeding the monster they created [in part].

Seventh, I spoke of the poverty-stricken people; well that was not even the half of it. You stuck to your CNN/Fox pretty closely and saw how horrible N.O. was and those "horrible" little people running around doing stupid stuff, and I mean stupid, because they have known nothing else in their lives. You and most of America, only saw one part of the damage, you can't even imagine how much of an impact this has created for so many NORMAL families. There are so many stories, it would bring one to his knees, and that's exactly where I was when I found people I knew were missing. When I found that a good friend of mine's brother, who was just going to school, was gone, never to return. People who are missing, and when they are found, the bodies are so grotesque, from being in filthy water for so long, that families can't identify them.
And you have the nerve to speak that only a "small amount" deserves sympathy? You come down here and tell that to the countless, no “small amount,” of people. The stories you hear from the news, it's on there because it's going to get ratings. It's maybe a few instances that happened to show how we are such atrocious creatures. Besides the two field days in N.O., most of it is randomized incidents. In about a month, you won't even remember about Katrina, but all of us will.

I'm sick of people bad mouthing us, you think we're such animals, come down here and TRY living in our shoes for one day with all of this crap still looming above our heads. Then, why don't you go spit on the graves of those gone just to make sure you've made your statement that because of the harsh and ignored conditions they grew up in, knowing nothing but how to survive, that it was better for them to die. And, don't forget to make sure to avoid the local shelter because everyone there is just stealing taxpayer money and breathing up our air. Obviously your to high above human nature to be with "us lowly country' folk" and the rest of the “toilet scum.” I can’t believe the sheer ignorance and utter inhumanity of your statements. You know what sir, we wouldn't accept your help if you offered it, help with out heart is as vulgar to me as the festering maggots in the ground.

[Tokoyami]

^^^^^^He's right, absolutely right

One thing i wanna add, what we see on tv around the U.S., in the media, its all filtered and from a few people at the stations point of view. I here people now more than ever saying the south is like a third-world country, it may be true that they do stuff differently, but they are no less intelligent than us, they are human just like anyother man or woman.

Just thought i would mention that

[mistified]

^^^^^^He's right, absolutely right

One thing i wanna add, what we see on tv around the U.S., in the media, its all filtered and from a few people at the stations point of view. I here people now more than ever saying the south is like a third-world country, it may be true that they do stuff differently, but they are no less intelligent than us, they are human just like anyother man or woman.

Just thought i would mention that


Thank you Tokoyami, you are right. I have been blessed to the degree my family can live comfortably enough, at the expense of not seeing my dad often though. L.A. is not horribly off, but our government is so corrupt and they tend to ignore us thus giving way to a corrupt society. It's sad that it is taking such a horrible event for people to realize this.

Also thank you for seeing all of us as people, you don't know how much I appreciate it.

[Polygon]

Some of you guys should really be ashamed of your selves.

So what If they knew it was coming? So what if they decided to stay? The fact is that it happened to them For one you don't know how they felt, or why they didn't leave. So what if they deserved it? So may victoms and you say it's thier fault? Why should you care if they deserved it or not? You should feel merciful for even your enemies if something like that happened to them. Yet you didn't even know these people.

[Pharcyde]

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well all I can say is that I personally don't care about the victims...if anything it was a good thing that the hurricane happened because it decreased the already to large population of people....its just mother natures way of getting back at the human race

God i hope your joking.

Perhaps I should explain something about New Orleans, obviously, in as long as it has been there it hasnt gone under, therefore, no one expected it. In the past it was a principle area of trade for the U.S. With that explained, onto another subject of the narrow minded, childish, insecure, people who live on their computers,and true filth of society. Those are people, I myself disagree with some of the peoples actions there, but i do not see fault in the reasons some people remained there. Consider this, your a low class family, with low income, provided many of you who still live off mommy and daddy's paychecks know what that is. You worked hard for your home, now boom, your house still stands, flooded, but even though its flooded it is your home, where you were raised. and guess what, where you going to go, live in an alley of another city, lose your pride and live with a complete stranger? Think about it. chances are it could happen to you. Never judge a man until you walk a mile in their shoes. Although I do blame FEMA, they gave people false hope saying the levies vould hold against it.

[RadikaL]

George Bush doesnt care about black people

-Kanye West


A lot of people in NO couldnt leave because they were so poor. Looting food and water is fine by me to survive. But all the other crap that they do like kill and rape and etc..etc...BAD.

[xxsonnyxx]

I just have one observation.
The people whose lives were... disrupted by hurricane Katrina do not fit into a neat little box labeled refugee. Some did what they had to. Some did things in excess. Some, did nothing wrong at all. Ultimately, whatever happens there is up to them. The two things that the rest of these United States are responsible for is making sure that those among them that don't have proper legal representation are taking care of. (I.e. children) Even then our right to interfere is limited. We, as citizens, are also responsible to make sure that the money coming from the goverment and from charity organizations is fairly and effectively distributed among those affected by this tragedy. To make sure the money goes to feeding people, rebuilding their homes and the city rather then compensating large industry.

As to the question to "why rebuild?" Because, they can. they can also make it better. Schools that long needed renovations can now possible recieve them and the Levee's can be fixed properly. They should have been fixed a long time ago but Bush diverted money toward airaport security despite the protests of the Army Core of engineers.

That brings me to my last point. The people of New Orleans knew that the hurricane was coming. Then again, so did the goverment. If you want to blame someone for the money that is being put into the city, then blame the people who are supposed to SERVE the citizens of that city. I hope no one found this irritating.

[Hits]

well all I can say is that I personally don't care about the victims...if anything it was a good thing that the hurricane happened because it decreased the already to large population of people....its just mother natures way of getting back at the human race
Hey, how about I come to your house and kill you. That's fair isn't it? Just mother nature's way to get rid off jackasses such as yourself.

The mass majority of the katrina victims that were stuck were poor people. They had no way to get out, they don't have cars and had no money for airplane tickets. The government pissed a lot of people off in september. Help didn't arrive until 6 days while a lot of people already died of lack of food, water and medication.

[ChansteR]

well all I can say is that I personally don't care about the victims...if anything it was a good thing that the hurricane happened because it decreased the already to large population of people....its just mother natures way of getting back at the human race
You sir, should be shot....

I though it was real sad when Katrina screwd over all those people but I live in Florida wher hurricanes are a common thing and Iv seen tragic as well.

O, there is hurricane coming right now....

[blazedsouls]

the katrina would really suck if it was inside my house itll cost alot of money to rebuild a 500 thouasnd dollar house

[Hits]

the katrina would really suck if it was inside my house itll cost alot of money to rebuild a 500 thouasnd dollar houseYou americans are so lucky. The real estate prices in Vancouver are so high. 700k would buy you a tiny 2000 square foot house with a small yard.

[Schoulayer]

Sorry it took so long to replay, I've been away.

Your telling me its my fault I live 30 miles away from the coastline that its my fault?

If you choose to stay in the path of the hurricane you have to be able to take responsibility for that. They chose to live in a high risk flood zone right by the coast, they had days of advanced warning, and many chose to stay behind - most of which could have easily got out. Most of these people are complete imbeciles.


So if an earthquake happens to strike California your going to just turn your head away becuase it was their choice to live there? Your Amazing Buddy. I feel for those people, and I can see that you honestly have never lived through a hurricane and its aftermath.
If South Floridians were put through 5 days wihtout help from the National Gaurd and FEMA trust me, these crazy cubans would have pillaged and done all the things these New Orleans did.

California has frequent earthquakes, people know this. If people chose to build there and an earthquake were to occur - Food and supplies should be sent, but I wouldn't have the government rebuild everything. If somebody chooses to live in a disaster zone, and *durr* the disaster happens, the financial burden should be theirs and theirs alone.

If I built my house near quicksand, and the quicksand spreads, eventually enveloping my house, should the public pay for it? Do I have the right to demand you rebuild it?


And, you wanna know who's fault it is? The Local Government, FEMA, President Bush.

Local government maybe - but mostly the fault of the people for choosing to live there. I do blame Bush for doing TOO MUCH for new orleans. It should not have been rebuilt and debit cards should not have been handed out. I hate Bush, hes a big spender.


Do not blame people for where they live, becuase if you lived there and you had nothing to go back home to you would be asking for help too.

Thats just it, I would NEVER live there. They chose to live in an empty cup surrounded by water on all sides. 'blame' has nothing to do with it, the financial burden should be theirs alone for choosing to live in a high risk area. Nobody is at fault for katrina, but they have to take responsibility for their own choices.


I was born and raised in southern Louisiana and I'm still here. The first place you went wrong is that you don't live here, nor do you understand the mentality or the way things are done here. People would rather die than leave their homes, because of a strong connection to the place where they grew up. Plus, their home is normally all they have and something to call their own. This is where they grew up, where maybe their mom and dad grew up, plus normally all of the family lives nearby thus lending to this bond. It's not just a house, it's a home.

Living there has nothing to do with it - that mentally is everywhere, and its not an excuse. If you know its comming and you choose to stay because its your 'home', then you have no right to demand immediate help.


Second, your point of why bother to live below sea level, how weak. If your going to pull that kind punch, why not tell people to move out of California because of earthquakes and wildfires? Or people in northern states to move because of blizzards? How about people in Oklahoma to move because of their numerous tornadoes? Or people who live in Indonesia/Japan to move away because of tsunamis? It's the same logic. Yes, it may be somewhat unreasonable but the fact is people live in all sorts of crazy conditions I don't see why you seem to think we're so different.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. They chose to live below sea level at the coast, and they get flooded. The burden for that poor choice should be theirs. BECAUSE they knew it was a risk. In california if an earthquake or wildfire were to occur I'd say the same thing. Its a tragedy, but they knew it was a risk when they built there. They're living in a high risk area. Should food and supplies be sent? Ovcoarse. Should the taxpayers pay for their poor choice? No, they should not.


Third, most people did not realize the threat of Hurricane Katrina until the day before. Most people went to work Saturday and when they got home that night, oh snap, Katrina is heading for us. How do you expect to evacuate so many people in one day?

Thats BS, theres no way in hell they could not know Katrina was comming one day before hand. Unless they were too drugged out to know or care. Sounds like a poor excuse to me.


Fourth, people are products of their environment, so many people could not AFFORD to evacuate. Poverty has always been a major factor in New Orleans, but do people pay attention to it, did the government pay attention to it, absolutely not. The government didn't even send buses until late Sunday; even then they only got a few busloads out. So many didn't even have a way out.

Again, this is a poor excuse. Within 4 days you could simply walk out, and how many of those people couldn't hitch a ride with somebody else. Very very few people are 'too poor' to evacuate.


Fifth, guess what, Katrina was bad granted, but what really was the kicker was the levee system. The flooding wasn't even really caused by Katrina. Yet another task the government failed on. More than 40 million has been poured into that system, but guess what trip they took this time? Oh lovely Malibu, it was just so beautiful. Oh, and of course the rest went into their pockets. If those levees had received the proper care, I daresay none of this would have happened.

That doesn't make the government at fault, failures like that have happened all over the place. MANY seawalls fail during hurricanes, 'earthquake proof buildings' topple over in violent earthquakes. Nobody said the levys would ever be 100% effective, nor does the government have a responsibility to make levys that are 100% effective for all situations.


Sixth, yes another government failing, obviously these people on welfare haven't been getting their checks so they began to demand something at least. Well, let's give it to them! They all agreed upon 2000 dollars. What do you think these people are going to do with it? I wonder??? The politicians are now feeding the monster they created [in part].

While they might not have recieved their welfare checks, chances are they're going to on top of the debit cards. And people on welfare are but a minority of those who chose to stay. I believe they shouldn't have given out debit cards at all - but then I disagree with the whole concept of welfare as a whole.


I'm sick of people bad mouthing us, you think we're such animals, come down here and TRY living in our shoes for one day with all of this crap still looming above our heads. Then, why don't you go spit on the graves of those gone just to make sure you've made your statement that because of the harsh and ignored conditions they grew up in, knowing nothing but how to survive, that it was better for them to die. And, don't forget to make sure to avoid the local shelter because everyone there is just stealing taxpayer money and breathing up our air. Obviously your to high above human nature to be with "us lowly country' folk" and the rest of the “toilet scum.” I can’t believe the sheer ignorance and utter inhumanity of your statements. You know what sir, we wouldn't accept your help if you offered it, help with out heart is as vulgar to me as the festering maggots in the ground.

Actually, I am 'country folk.' But I also believe taxpayer money shouldn't be handed out. I never said everyone down there was at fault, and I'm sure there are heartbreaking stories.

But the majority of those down there are ungrateful and deserve no pitty for choosing their path. For the most part, this is gods way of flushing the toilet.

Some of you guys should really be ashamed of your selves.

So what If they knew it was coming? So what if they decided to stay? The fact is that it happened to them For one you don't know how they felt, or why they didn't leave. So what if they deserved it? So may victoms and you say it's thier fault? Why should you care if they deserved it or not? You should feel merciful for even your enemies if something like that happened to them. Yet you didn't even know these people.

Feeling bad for them and making everybody in the US pay for their mistake is entirely different. How I 'feel' isn't the point. They chose to live there and should have to pay for it themselves. Being merciful should be a choice - if one were to come down to new orleans with supplies to help those in need, that would be fine. Taking money from people at gunpoint and involuntarily giving it to people in new orleans is an entirely different matter.

[Papaphobia]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/new-orleans-elevation2.htm
and
http://yrachrain.ytmnd.com/

Katrina victims... are you crazy or just retarded?

http://sixflagskatrina.ytmnd.com/

[Yggdrasil2]

why save new orleans, gods telling them to stop rebuilding it, its like saving a toilet seat out of a fire, you just don't lol