urahara vs. isshn (ichigo's dad) [Archive]

Nowitzki

06-29-2007, 05:52 AM

This isn't really a good subject thread since we haven't seen Isshin fight at all. They were both captains, and we know what Urahara's shikai and abilities are. That isn't enough to base the fight off of though. We do know that, Isshin's power has come back to him after being latent/gone for a long time. With this handicap, I think Urahara would win, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW. When we have more information on both of them, then i'll rethink my decision.

legionnaire

06-29-2007, 06:16 AM

Perfectly said Obbywan.

bludd

06-29-2007, 04:35 PM

OK, But he is ichigo's father and ichigo is ridiculously strong. Also his daughters have the ability to see spirits and hollows also. Plus when we saw him kill that arrancar he didn't even use his shikai to kill him, urahara didn't kill those two arrancar when saving ichigo and orihime and chad. We can't go off of the way his dad acts, because he has stayed secret this entire time without even being attacked.

Seff vi Britannia

06-29-2007, 04:56 PM

we don't know isshin was a captain.

Klavier Gavin

06-29-2007, 04:56 PM

If I'm not wrong, in the first few episodes the Kurosaki family was attacked by hollows once. It was not targeted at Isshin but he got involved as well. Also, Isshin defeated the Grand Fisher, probably a Arrancar with a Gilian's hollow power. Yami and Ulquiorra are probably Adjuchas level and above.

@Darkseff: The first time Isshin appeared wasn't he wearing a captain's sash on his arm?

bludd

06-29-2007, 04:59 PM

He was a captain. when he released his power he had the captain's cloak on his arm. And those two are espada's. yami is number 10, and they have shown that ulquiorra is stronger than yami.

Zanga

06-29-2007, 05:03 PM

It wasn't a captain's coat. It looked like one, but untill someone can show a division's ensignia and number which clearly were not there, it was not a cappy's cloak.

Most people think it's the coats that the Royal guards wear and assume Isshin was once a royal guard.

Klavier Gavin

06-29-2007, 05:06 PM

Yes, those two were the Espada. They might be Adjuchas or Vast Lords levels for all we know. However, Yami is too dumb to be a Vast Lord. Ulquiorra is the 4th Espada by the way.

Furthermore, you said that the Kurosaki family can see hollows and spirits. The youngest daughter, forgotten her name Karin or something can't. She can only feel them and see them as blurred vision if I'm not wrong. I mean, when there are hollows she doesn't see them but the area they occupy turns blur for her.

Seff vi Britannia

06-29-2007, 05:07 PM

Actually, it may not have been a captain's cloak. As Zanga says, there was no insignia. In addition, it could just have been Urhara's cloak that he gave to Isshin for fun or w/e. Don't jump to conclusions. There is no proof that Isshin was a captain.

Also, Aaroniero states he is the only Gillian arrancar. Therefore, Yammy is Adjuchas, and Ulquiorra is most probably Vastrode.

Undying

06-29-2007, 05:11 PM

Until I see Isshin toy with an Espada with just his shikai (and I bet that will come soon enough), I'll go for Urahara just because I saw him do more.

And the whole captain thing, people believe that Isshin was a captain because he said "captain level shinigami". Ichigo is also captain level, but he's not a captain...

shinigami-butterfly

06-30-2007, 12:33 AM

Urahara once said that Ichigo is more talented than he is, and he knew that Isshin is Ichigo's father, which means that he admitted that Isshin is stronger than him

Klavier Gavin

06-30-2007, 01:55 AM

@Zanga: If he was a royal guard protecting the king, would it be possible that his skills and powers is actually beyond a captain's powers?

More talented doesn't necessary means being stronger. It means there's room to further improve that's all. However, Ichigo is the main character and it might turn out to be following DBZ's style and eventually turn into a Ichigo > all situation. I'm saying this because Ichigo gets beaten up badly, decides to train again and go kill the enemy. The whole thing keeps repeating.

foxygramps

06-30-2007, 02:34 AM

getting back on topic, i think that isshin and urahara are about the same level but would pick isshin as the winner b/c he has the same genes as ichigo : talented, and does whatever it takes to win.

Klavier Gavin

06-30-2007, 03:47 AM

@foxygramps: I completely agree about the genes part, but we haven't seen Urahara's Bankai yet. Given current anime status, I feel that Urahara would win. You forgot to add in something as well, both Ichigo and Isshin behaves in a retarded manner in real life. There's no way we would think that people like that are actually Shinigamis.

bludd

06-30-2007, 05:14 AM

Ok not to put out a spoiler, But in the manga they show isshn as a captain, and they show the reason he quit being a captain. There is no question about that. Urahara and Isshn were close friends and both left for similar reasons.

Tobi

06-30-2007, 09:15 AM

Undying

06-30-2007, 10:09 AM

@Zanga: If he was a royal guard protecting the king, would it be possible that his skills and powers is actually beyond a captain's powers?
Not necessarily. We don't really know how strong or weak the Royal Guard really is. For all we know, they are just for show and Isshin was the only one with any power there. Or not.
More talented doesn't necessary means being stronger. It means there's room to further improve that's all. However, Ichigo is the main character and it might turn out to be following DBZ's style and eventually turn into a Ichigo > all situation. I'm saying this because Ichigo gets beaten up badly, decides to train again and go kill the enemy. The whole thing keeps repeating.
That's your typical Shounen character, nothing strange there, you know.
getting back on topic, i think that isshin and urahara are about the same level but would pick isshin as the winner b/c he has the same genes as ichigo : talented, and does whatever it takes to win.
Genes? I thought it was called personality. Isshin has the same genes as Ichigo: tons of power. That's all. I don't remember ever seeing Urahara being said NOT to have the same type of genes.
Ok not to put out a spoiler, But in the manga they show isshn as a captain, and they show the reason he quit being a captain. There is no question about that. Urahara and Isshn were close friends and both left for similar reasons.
Where?

legionnaire

06-30-2007, 11:03 AM

The son can be stronger than the father you know.

To Knino- Where the hell is that!? I need to know.

strawberry505

06-30-2007, 02:42 PM

ive actually red somethin where it said that isshin was a captain but of an unknown division and also about uraharra's bankai, it said that when talking to renjii 1ce he told him that his bankai is ment for healing not fighting. i would say isshin though

strawberry505

06-30-2007, 02:43 PM

does anyone no who the soul king is and how powerful he is. i would really like to no

Klavier Gavin

06-30-2007, 02:53 PM

@strawberry505: Please beware of double posting, if there is a need to post again you can just use the edit button to edit your posts. I don't think Urahara said that his Bankai was a healing type, he only mentioned that it wasn't suitable for training that's all.

Undying

06-30-2007, 03:28 PM

Urahara said his bankai couldn't be used for TRAINING. Nothing about healing.

Zanga

06-30-2007, 03:39 PM

He said his bankai was Barbaric I believe.

And though the Royal guards may be beyond captains' powers, I'm sure they're still going to say their level is 'captain level'.

That's like saying No is as strong as Yamamoto, because he's 'Commander Captain level'

bludd

06-30-2007, 05:18 PM

I think that this is to hard to decide right now, When we see more of isshn and urahara I expect to see all of you back here.

Guy

06-30-2007, 09:54 PM

I don't really know, because Isshin pwned an arrancar once. Grand Fisher most likely was a gillian arrancar...

However, given what's shown to me, I'd go with Urahara, because in the manga, he toyed with the Espadas (and was winning) with only his shikai. Unless Isshin does that... I just don't think Isshin is stronger.

h3h3h3

07-01-2007, 07:36 AM

Guy: you could've put that in spoilers...

Anywho, There's no telling by watching the anime so I have no opinion they are in a draw until they show more power.

Klavier Gavin

07-01-2007, 03:03 PM

However, given what's shown to me, I'd go with Urahara, because in the manga, he toyed with the Espadas (and was winning) with only his shikai. Unless Isshin does that... I just don't think Isshin is stronger.

Ouch, anime watchers close your eyes.

Anyway, the shounen part is pretty true. However, I feel that it would be better if there were like at least one or two person who is their superior but is an ally or neutral party instead of an enemy. It's like Ichigo can kill Yamamoto if he keeps growing stronger. >.<

The_Irving

07-02-2007, 12:23 AM

Nowitzki

07-02-2007, 06:23 PM

I can't judge very well, but I'm gonna say draw. I believe they're on almost equal planes of power. Isshin seems to be old pals with Urahara, so I'm guessing he's another ex-captain.

On another note, how come it seems all the ex-captains are tougher than all the current captains we've seen?

They are much older, more experience, and have gained a lot of wisdom throughout the years. A lot of the current captains are young and are still growing in strength and potential. (Byakuya, Soi Fong, etc.)

h3h3h3

07-02-2007, 07:45 PM

On another note, how come it seems all the ex-captains are tougher than all the current captains we've seen?

Yamamoto, Ukitake, Shunsui does it ring-a-bell for ya?

KholdStare

07-07-2007, 06:51 AM

Urahara without a doubt (you probably knew my answer by my avatar and sig). Not only is he extremely powerful, he is able to analyze his opponents very well. I don't want to let out manga spoilers but those who read manga know very well how he analyzed a certain somebody.

5th of April

07-07-2007, 07:12 AM

I haven't seen Isshin fight. Putting my bet on an assumption based on what I see of Sandal Hat's performance so far, would be unfair to Corky lovable Isshin.
So.

koolspot

07-13-2007, 05:08 PM

Well, one word: Urahara

Why?: Because.... Manga... Ishin powers still completeley unknown so i cannot tell exactly, but my money is on urahara.

bludd

07-16-2007, 02:34 AM

I've waited and thought I pick ishinn He is so mysterious and apparently wise, since he's fooled even his own kids about his true nature. Out of him and urahara they are the strongest most mysterious guys ever. They act weak and brittle, But they have insane power. And even so I think urahara is getting his but kicked right now. (where I'm at)

99wattr89

07-21-2007, 08:31 AM

Urahara seemed to imply that Isshin was stronger than him in one scanlation I read, but that's hardly enough to decide either way, we need to actually see them both fight more.

chaosz

07-21-2007, 08:46 AM

for thoese sayin that urahara is trickyer, isshn has pretended not to see ghosts for at least 15 years, so you can bet that isshn is at least at the same level of tricksterness. honestly i prefer isshn because i like him better, but in the duel arena who you like better doesn't matter so based on what wev'e seen so far it has to be urahara, since we can only talk about what we know, and we know almost nothing about isshn>.<

B-Eazy

07-24-2007, 05:32 AM

If Isshin completely gained his power ... Absolutely no idea. He just gained his powers and defeated Arrancar Grand Fisher... Urahara for all we know is stronger than Aizen right now. Would be one of the best anime fights i've ever seen though

dawin45

07-29-2007, 06:39 PM

urahara and ishin kurosaki, hmmm I don't really know what 2 think, the history of both caracters says, that both urahara and ishin where captains,urahara of the 12th squad, and president of the Shinigami Research Institute. The history of ishin where he was captain are currently unknown.
But after the time of spending whith ichigo in his training, I really think on betting whith urahara this time, until further notice, or until ishin shows his true power(more fighting whith the arancans), and reveales his secret identity, to ichigo...

melody-apple

07-30-2007, 12:41 PM

I'm don't know much of isshin but if he's ichgo dad , he won't be too bad . Whats more he purposely turn the xiankai 'cause uruhara said if isshin powers reduced , he'll be sorry .
Anyway , I think that isshin will win uruhara if they battle .

Lirion

07-31-2007, 08:48 AM

We don't know how strong Isshin is but I have no doubt is at the same level as Urahara. I don't know who would win, it's like the Isshin vs Ryuuken thread. We don't know yet.

h3h3h3

07-31-2007, 10:49 AM

I don't know but Ryuuken seems alot stronger than both, I don't know why, but I got a certain image of him. Ryuuken:''If you had use Sacred bite instead, you would've easily defeated you opponent.''

koolspot

08-02-2007, 09:03 PM

Somebody here talked about the ex-captains are stronger than the actual ones. That is not completely true, but is not completely wrong. Ukitake and Shunsui must be insanely strong, but Urahara and Ishin should be at least at the same level. I believe that they are even stronger than Uki and Kyoraku. And about Ryuuken, he looks like a strong quincy, however i seriously doubt he can beat Ishin or Urahara. He maybe make them use their real power, but i cannot see Ishin or Urahara losing a fight.

Pyramus

08-10-2007, 10:57 AM

They are both of captian level, and they are both of high power! So im gonna leave it down to fate! *Flips imaginary coin* and............................... Isshin has it! Go isshin!

eando

11-12-2007, 06:42 AM

i seriously think that Urahara has hollow powers. When Aizen was taking the hougyoku(terrible spelling i know too lazy to correct)from rukia, he said that urahara found a way to surpass those "limits" by combining hollow powers with shinigami powers. I also think that Urahara knows allll about the Vizard. So Urahara must have hollow powers. I'd love to see him go face to face with the 1st espada just be like "this is where it ends. BAN KAI!!!." 1st espada: "u think thats enough???" urahara:" no but this will be, *pulls the mask on* the espada cant move his knees break from the spirit force and Urahara cuts him in half. lol i wanted to say this for so long. If you guys are reading the manga, I think Kenpachi acheived Bankai because he said "i alone would of been enough" which means he is much stronger than before and i dont see that happening unless he has bankai or maybe shikai iono seems like he "acheived" somehting to be talking like that. I know this is off topic but just wanted to say it.

SenpaiRetsu

11-21-2007, 11:47 AM

I don't think either of them are over mid-tier captain level. Ichigo's dad just recently regained some of his powers so there is no way he's at full strength. and Urahara said himself that Ichigo has more talent than him and Ichigo is somewhere between mid-tier and upper tier captain level. How do i guage this? because Vaizard ichigo is stronger than Byakuya, but not way above. and the senior captains are way stronger than Byakuya, so Ichigo is somewhere there. why do i think the senior captains are way stronger? for one, Yamamoto said it, and for 2 when Byakuya was on the bridge Ukitake stopped him from killing Ganju. We all know Byakuya does not like to be insulted but he didn't barely even huff or puff. probably because he knew Ukitake is way harder than him.

Also on top of all of this Urahara and Yoruichi seem to be on even grounds, they have trained together and have been together for years. I think it's a safe assumption that they are about the same power level. With that being said Yoruichi knows she can't beat Byakuya so that makes her mid-tier captain level also. I think any mid-tier captain could pwn yammi. i consider mid-tier Byakuya,Soifon, and Zaraki. Upper-tier yama, ukitake, shunsui, and unohana, lower tier hitsu, koma, and finally mayuri.

bludd

03-28-2008, 11:39 AM

what what what? urahara and who no way. c'mon he is a soul reaper and she is sumtin. First of urahara has more experience than most of those captains and he can pwn them. Urahara said talent, not strength. Just because ukitake stopped him doesn't mean anything. He follows the rules and fighting another captain is against the rules.

•XxOucHxX•

03-29-2008, 03:13 PM

Even Ichigo is at captain level lol..
So of course Urahara and Isshin are strong...stronger than Ichigo at least lol

The sunlight

03-29-2008, 04:08 PM

Its too hard to tell...
But i think the mods are being rude here. My thread (gin vs byakuya) got closed because there was "not enough information on gin", while this one is allowed to exist. Why is that ? We know a lot more about byakuya and gin then Isshin and urahura..geez.