Mayuri vs Tousen [Archive]

shinigami-butterfly

07-11-2007, 12:19 AM

A battle between 2 captains that both have kido powered zanpakutous, personally I think Mayuri will win this one since his bankai's poison will kill Tousen, so what do you guys think?

Nowitzki

07-11-2007, 12:44 AM

Tousen can use his Bankai which will allow Mayuri not to be able to see, and slice off his head.

davidn15

07-11-2007, 01:00 AM

obbywan that doesn't matter. All Mayuri has to do is activate his bankai, order it to breathe, and it's over. All thanks to the cheapest Bankai ever.

chaosz

07-11-2007, 02:13 AM

People keep forgeting that mayuri's posin isn't instant, i think tousen would win, but if mayuri gets his poisin off, will later die.

KholdStare

07-11-2007, 02:15 AM

I think Mayuri would win. If he battled intelligently (which he should, considering he is a scientist), he could poison Tousen and stab himself to transform into his invulnerable form until Tousen dies of the poison.

chaosz

07-11-2007, 02:22 AM

The problem is not only is he smart but like most genuses he is egotistical. Like when he fought Ishida, he could have poisined him and turned into slime, instead of letting him pwn him first. actually if i was him, thats the tatic i'd take on any big battle poisin+slime FTW.

Zanga

07-11-2007, 04:45 AM

The only reason he was egotistical with Uryuu was because he was a Quincy. Quincies were killed off the Shinigami many years ago, so losing to one or even thinking about losing to one could be very pathetic(pride-wise)

Mayuri would acknowlegde Tousen being a captian of the SS and would have no choice to go all out.

But yes, Bankai+Invulnerable form, Tousen's deadsauce.

T_Ichigo

07-11-2007, 10:04 PM

Gosh here we go again, Mayuri-sama with his almighty posion, lol.
You guys are leaving several factors behind when discussing this thread and since I've once discussed a thread where Mayuri is involved, I won't repeat those factors here again.
Mayuri is not as almighty as you think, if his poision was as powerful and easy-using as you guys state, then he would be unstopable.

And that liquidform is only used for escape, nothing he uses under battle, lol.

Undying

07-11-2007, 11:08 PM

His poison works by having the baby-centipede breath. That's all. In a bankai against bankai battle, Tousen loses.

shinigami-butterfly

07-12-2007, 03:40 AM

KholdStare

07-12-2007, 03:59 AM

Aizen and Urahara may be able to defeat Mayuri but the title of the thread is "Mayuri s Tousen".

And that liquidform is only used for escape, nothing he uses under battle, lol.

Mayuri has used it as a last resort but if Tousen takes him into his bankai, why would Mayuri not use it knowing that all his senses are taken away from him? He knows that Tousen will die sooner or later from the poison of his bankai. He is a scientist and no doubt an intelligent person. The only reason he wanted to keep Ishida alive was to be able to study him.

T_Ichigo

07-12-2007, 05:34 AM

Do we even know if Tousen would be affected by the poision with the shuynpo he has ?
As what I can see on the Ishida-Mayuri battle, the poision gas aired straight towards Ishida, and I'm getting mad when thinking about it, it took a little while before it reached Ishida and yet he just standed and waited for the gas.
This tells me, that the poision gas, whose direction is straigtht, can be avoided by the strong ones.
And don't tell me that it wasn't like that, because on that episode one can see how the gas from second to second reached Ishida, lol.

Zanga

07-12-2007, 06:17 AM

All it has to do is blow it all around him.

If tousen does as what you say, then there's no point in this battle since they'd both just avoid each other. One being Invulnerable.

KholdStare

07-12-2007, 06:33 AM

Tousen's bankai encloses a certain area around where he fights. That would make it even worse as he would trap the poison of Mayuri's bankai in the dome which Tousen's bankai generates.

Kyouka Suigetsu

07-12-2007, 07:08 AM

Going by his performance against Grimmjow, Tousen curbstomps Mayuri.

T_Ichigo

07-12-2007, 08:24 AM

I hope we'll get to see a battle where Mayuri uses his poision and get whipped. Last time was by a bounto, but that was just a filler so it is not worth discussing it.

Zanga

07-12-2007, 04:52 PM

Going by his performance against Grimmjow, Tousen curbstomps Mayuri.

His performance of cutting off the notpayingattention Grimmjaw.

Yeah man that was soooo badass..

KholdStare

07-12-2007, 06:17 PM

Going by his performance against Grimmjow, Tousen curbstomps Mayuri.

I don't see what "performance" there was as Grimmjow was told that he would be killed if he fought back. And as Zanga has already stated, Grimmjow was completely unaware that Tousen was going to cut his arm off.

Kyouka Suigetsu

07-12-2007, 09:28 PM

Grimmjow was looking at him in the manga. He wasn't directly facing him, but the point is that Tousen was the object of his attention. Do you actually think that Jaggerjack of all people would let his arm get cut off, if he could've reacted to the traitor's movements? Bankai Ichigo was able to surprise Grimm by getting behind him with his speed, and he was still able to react to defend against his following attack. When Tousen attacked, and it was a frontal attack as well, all he could do was watch his arm fly off to the side and exclaim the equivalent of a WTF.

Grimmjow was watching him the entire time. Yeah, Grimm's clearly not paying attention since he's watching Tousen draw his sword in the middle panel at the bottom. :rolleye09
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/213/13

Zanga

07-13-2007, 01:41 AM

That doesn' mean nothing. Just cause Tousen was holding onto to his blade, would Grimmjaw(and remember, no one would actually think to be attacked in that situation, ESPECIALLY when Aizen PRAISED Grimmjaw for going for there and screwing up, thinking it was for him) think about being slashed, expecially at that speed.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 02:01 AM

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:25 AM

As of right now I would have to go with Mayuri,can't really judge Tousen.Too much controversy behind his power level.

Him getting beat by Zaraki,next moment he pwns Grimmjow.Grimmjow fanboys saying Grimmy wasn't "prepared"for Tousen's attack.The fact he is one of commanding officers in the Espada Army.I would have to wait till I see Tousen show more power to judge Tousen's power level.Pretty sure he has speed advantage though.

I would appreciate if you didn't call me a Grimmjow Fanboy as that is not what I am. Can't you see the Urahara fanboy-ism?

Kyouka Suigetsu: Grimmjow may have been looking at it but he did not expect to get slashed by Tousen just after he had been praised by Aizen. When he did want to retaliate, he was told by Aizen that he would be killed if he touched Tousen.

By the way, your link doesn't work.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:31 AM

I would appreciate if you didn't call me a Grimmjow Fanboy as that is not what I am. Can't you see the Urahara fanboy-ism?

What the hell??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:42 AM

Grimmjow fanboys saying Grimmy wasn't "prepared"for Tousen's attack.

The only people who said that Grimmjow was not prepared for Tousen were me and Zanga. Therefore you called us Grimmjow Fanboys and I explained to you why you shouldn't call me that.

T_Ichigo

07-13-2007, 08:45 AM

Erhm, it wasn't like that Grimmjow didn't watch him while he was talking about justice. And I don't know why he didn't dodge that considering that he manaes to easily catch up with bankai Ichigo's speed.

Koyuka is reasonable.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:48 AM

Didn't mean the thread>.<

That's a accuse so to speak people use for Grimmjow getting whomped.

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 09:05 AM

If Tousen was truly that powerful, why would Aizen threaten to kill Grimmjow and just not let Tousen deal with him?

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 09:34 AM

Not another one of these.This is why I avoid discussing Tousen's power level.People will keep saying he wasn't prepared,or that Aizen is protecting him.I see Tousen getting some insane powerup soon anyway,he is one of the main antagonist after all.

If Tousen was truly that powerful, why would Aizen threaten to kill Grimmjow and just not let Tousen deal with him?

Tousen was able to cut his arm off,and at that burn his arm with ONE measly kidou.All in less than 10secs,and at that Tousen wasn't taking Grimmjow's threats serious at all.Yeah like Grimmjow was really going to whoop him.When he did that much to him effortlessly,at lightning speed at that.Ichigo can't even do that to Grimmjow in 3 or 5 chapters.Grimmjow was no match for Tousen get over yourselves.

If you ask me it was the other way around with Aizen,knowing Grimmjow didn't stand a chance,or waste an Espada.

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 09:46 AM

Not another one of these.This is why I avoid discussing Tousen's power level.People will keep saying he wasn't prepared,or that Aizen is protecting him.I see Tousen getting some insane powerup soon anyway,he is one of the main antagonist afterfall.

Well, we can't exactly decide a fight between to contestants if we have no idea how powerful one of them currently is. So obviously we are trying to determine how powerful Tousen is at the currently with the limited information we have.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 10:00 AM

So obviously we are trying to determine how powerful Tousen is at the currently with the limited information we have.

From what the latest chapter shows HM Tousen is a whole different level.I haven't seen anyone do that much to Grimmjow so quickly.It is safe to assume he is no match.He used one kidou spell and his arm went to ashes.That pretty much says it.Didn't Gin say "you knew that was gonna happen"or something like that?Aizen was like so what.When Aizen says or does something it usually has a bigger meaning to it instead of the obvious.Highly doubt he was protecting Tousen,its Aizen after all.You never "really" know what he is doing.

This should be a different thread.Getting sorta off topic.

Zanga

07-13-2007, 04:56 PM

Anyone would get stunned a bit when their arm gets cut off.

And that measly spell was a lvl 55 spell, not Rukia's little level 4 Kidou, while lightning. All that happening in that short time is completely normal, not something crazy.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 06:53 PM

Hell that is my point Tousen has advanced Kidou.Grimmjow didn't stand a chance to begin with.Grimmjow's fight with Ichigo shows he isn't even on Tousen's level.

Gin was like you knew he was gonna do that,or why do you tease him or something like that.Aizen was like "and"?Aizen knew he was no match.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 06:57 PM

Come on now, isn't that overestimating Tousen a bit? Grimmjow has a release, you know.

(:

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 07:02 PM

From what the latest chapter shows HM Tousen is a whole different level.I haven't seen anyone do that much to Grimmjow so quickly.It is safe to assume he is no match.He used one kidou spell and his arm went to ashes.That pretty much says it.Didn't Gin say "you knew that was gonna happen"or something like that?Aizen was like so what.When Aizen says or does something it usually has a bigger meaning to it instead of the obvious.Highly doubt he was protecting Tousen,its Aizen after all.You never "really" know what he is doing.

This should be a different thread.Getting sorta off topic.

Once again, I must state: If he was no match why did Aizen have to protect Tousen? Don't tell me that he didn't want to get Grimmjow killed because Aizen could care less if some of his Espadas die; they are not the ones he will be using anyway.

Obviously nobody has done so much to Grimmjow escaping unscathed.... why must I keep stating that Tousen was under the protection of Aizen. You can't measure Tousen's strength by what he did to Grimmjow because Grimmjow didn't even draw his sword.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 07:12 PM

Once again, I must state: If he was no match why did Aizen have to protect Tousen? Don't tell me that he didn't want to get Grimmjow killed because Aizen could care less if some of his Espadas die; they are not the ones he will be using anyway.

See above.Out of character for Aizen to protect Tousen anyway.Think about it like this.Aizen wasn't going to deal with a rebel child attacking his buddy from way back.From what Gin said,he knew Grimmjow didn't stand a chance.

You can't measure Tousen's strength by what he did to Grimmjow because Grimmjow didn't even draw his sword.

Huh?That's power to me,unless your blind.Main antagonist role>Get killed off to make Ichigo look better role.

Get over yourself.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 07:26 PM

Aizen wasn't going to deal with a rebel child attacking his buddy from way back.

Yes, and he stopped Grimmjow because he could seriously maim Tousen. If Tousen could stop Grimmjow like nothing, then there would not have been the need for Aizen to step in. Get it?

I'm not saying HM Tousen can't beat unreleased Grimmjow, but don't make it sound so easy.

Main antagonist role>Get killed off to make Ichigo look better role.

And here I was thinking that Aizen was the main antagonist.

(:

Guy

07-13-2007, 07:38 PM

Um... well, Tousen could slice off Grimmjaw's arm without him even noticing until it was too late. I mean, couldn't Grimmjaw have sensed his reiatsu if Tousen was slow?

So... if Tousen were fast enough, I'd probably go with him. If not, then Mayuri will definitely win with his cheap bankai.

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 07:43 PM

And here I was thinking that Aizen was the main antagonist.

How about Major antagonist>.>

Yes, and he stopped Grimmjow because he could seriously maim Tousen. If Tousen could stop Grimmjow like nothing, then there would not have been the need for Aizen to step in. Get it?

Didn't Tousen request to kill Grimmjow,but Aizen didn't let him?Tousen wasn't being protected,get over yourself.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 08:02 PM

How about Major antagonist>.>

How about cowardly self-righteous ***** of Aizen?

Didn't Tousen request to kill Grimmjow,but Aizen didn't let him?Tousen wasn't being protected

In M7 (http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/213/12/)'s translation, Tousen requests to kill Grimmjow.

In Ju-Ni's translation, Tousen requests to punish Grimmjow.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/xsweeterthanchocolatex/bleach-ch213-12.jpg

In both translations, however, Grimmjow threatens to kill Tousen, and that's when Aizen steps in. Who was and wasn't being protected?

(:

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:16 PM

How is Aizen NOT protecting Tousen? If he felt that Grimmjow was no match for Tousen why would he even try to stop Grimmjow? He doesn't care about Grimmjow and would have let him die. Aizen has even stated that all he cares about are the Vasto Lordes which he will make into the "perfect Espada". There should be NO reason why Aizen should care if Grimmjow lives or doesn't.

From what Gin said,he knew Grimmjow didn't stand a chance.

Stop pulling things out of your ass, Gin did not say anything which can tell us that Tousen is stronger than Grimmjow.

http://img1.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/00000213/19.jpg

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:23 PM

How is Aizen NOT protecting Tousen? If he felt that Grimmjow was no match for Tousen why would he even try to stop Grimmjow? He doesn't care about Grimmjow and would have let him die. Aizen has even stated that all he cares about are the Vasto Lordes which he will make into the "perfect Espada". There should be NO reason why Aizen should care if Grimmjow lives or doesn't.

Stop pulling things out of your ass, Gin did not say anything which can tell us that Tousen is stronger than Grimmjow.

http://img1.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/00000213/19.jpg

Heh,Gin says "he should have known Tousen would have got pissed".That pretty much says it.

Pulling out of my ass?Saying "Grimmjow wasn't prepared or he wasn't watching,that is the only way he got his arm off."Is pulling stuff out of your ass. Bleach is a Shounen,as if shit like that matters if he got his arm.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 08:29 PM

^^ Ju-Ni has a different translation:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/xsweeterthanchocolatex/bleach-ch213-19.png

(:

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:31 PM

Heh,Gin says "he should have known Tousen would have got pissed".That pretty much says it.

Pulling out of my ass?Saying "Grimmjow wasn't prepared or he wasn't watching,that is the only way he got his arm off."Is pulling stuff out of your ass. Bleach is a Shounen,as if shit like that matters if he got his arm.

Complete non sequitur. He should have known about Tousen doesn't prove Tousen > Grimmjow. And what does being a Shonen have ANYTHING to do with the fact of whether Grimmjow was expecting the attack or not?

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:33 PM

^^ Ju-Ni has a different translation:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w189/xsweeterthanchocolatex/bleach-ch213-19.png

(:

What's the difference?This is the same one I was talking about earlier.Aizen says perhaps,in a "so what" way.They knew Grimmjow didn't stand a chance.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 08:34 PM

What's the difference?This is the same one I was talking about earlier.

Ju-Ni's translation says that Aizen (as opposed to Grimmjow) should have known that Tousen would have acted that way if Aizen had said those things. Aizen said that he felt Grimmjow's actions were indicative of a rare loyalty and desire to serve (instead of being pissed off like Tousen did that he went against orders).

Complete non sequitur

Legal jargon is so sexy.

(:

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:44 PM

What's the difference?This is the same one I was talking about earlier.Aizen says perhaps,in a "so what" way.They knew Grimmjow didn't stand a chance.

His "perhaps" shows that he did not care what happened to Grimmjow. So if he didn't care what happened to Grimmjow, then why would he tell him not to attack Tousen if he knew that Tousen was capable of defending himself?

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:44 PM

Complete non sequitur. He should have known about Tousen doesn't prove Tousen > Grimmjow. And what does being a Shonen have ANYTHING to do with the fact of whether Grimmjow was expecting the attack or not?

Tousen taking Grimmjow for a ride no one Bleach has done,proves Tousen>Grimmjow.Got it?Saying he wasn't prepared is half assed.If Grimmjow is on his level he would have reacted.

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:46 PM

Tousen taking Grimmjow for a ride no one Bleach has done,proves Tousen>Grimmjow.Got it?Saying he wasn't prepared is half assed.If Grimmjow is on his level he would have reacted.

I don't see what you don't get. He didn't take him for a ride and even after when we COULD have seen what Grimmjow would have done he was stopped by Aizen. Why must I keep asking the same question and you not answer. If Grimmjow was truly weaker than Tousen why did Aizen have to reprimand him? Aizen does NOT care what happens to Grimmjow so if he truly believed that Tousen > Grimmjow why would he stop him?

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:47 PM

His "perhaps" shows that he did not care what happened to Grimmjow. So if he didn't care what happened to Grimmjow, then why would he tell him not to attack Tousen if he knew that Tousen was capable of defending himself?

His "perhaps" shows that he didn't care Tousen was going to get pissed at Grimmjow,because he knew Tousen would take him.Grimmjow had his ass whooped in 10secs.Add his missing arm at that.Like he was REALLY going to beat Tousen.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 08:47 PM

His "perhaps" shows that he did not care what happened to Grimmjow. So if he didn't care what happened to Grimmjow, then why would he tell him not to attack Tousen if he knew that Tousen was capable of defending himself?

There is a very big difference in translations. Read my previous post, I edited it.

Grimmjow had his ass whooped in 10secs.Add his missing arm at that.Like he was REALLY going to beat Tousen.

Grimmjow has a release. Aizen stopped him before he did, cause he could seriously maim or even kill Tousen in that form.

(:

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:49 PM

His "perhaps" shows that he didn't care Tousen was going to get pissed at Grimmjow,because he knew Tousen would take him.Grimmjow had his ass whooped in 10secs.Add his missing arm at that.Like he was REALLY going to beat Tousen.

So if he knew that Tousen could beat Grimmjow why did he stop Grimmjow? He doesn't care if Grimmjow dies or not. Answer the simple question, why did he stop Grimmjow?

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:50 PM

I don't see what you don't get. He didn't take him for a ride and even after when we COULD have seen what Grimmjow would have done he was stopped by Aizen. Why must I keep asking the same question and you not answer. If Grimmjow was truly weaker than Tousen why did Aizen have to reprimand him? Aizen does NOT care what happens to Grimmjow so if he truly believed that Tousen > Grimmjow why would he stop him?

Aizen and Gin knew all that was going to happen.Aizen was simply putting Grimmjow in his place.Get over yourself.

So if he knew that Tousen could beat Grimmjow why did he stop Grimmjow? He doesn't care if Grimmjow dies or not. Answer the simple question, why did he stop Grimmjow?

I answered it in all my post,KK.

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:51 PM

Aizen and Gin knew all that was going to happen.Aizen was simply putting Grimmjow in his place.Get over yourself.

I answered it in all my post,KK.

Putting Grimmjow in his place would be to show him that even when he attacks back, he cannot do anything. That he is no match for Tousen. Cutting his arm off when he didn't draw his sword doesn't prove anything to Grimmjow.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 08:52 PM

Aizen was simply putting Grimmjow in his place.

And he was putting Grimmjow in his place because he was going to do what?

No more questions, your honor.

(:

FullMetal Rebel

07-13-2007, 08:52 PM

Putting Grimmjow in his place would be to kill him.

Huh?

And he was putting Grimmjow in his place because he was going to do what?

Pwn Tousen?No,Tousen destroyed Grimmjow In Kubo's own writing what more proof do you need?

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 08:53 PM

Edited the post, re read it.

Zanga

07-13-2007, 08:56 PM

Why're you avoiding the question.

Either that or not answering them properly.

If Grimmjaw is weaker than Tousen, why did Aizen stop him. That is the question.

According to you, his 'whatever' means he doesn't care what happens to Grimm, but Aizen went and stopped him right attacking Tousen, even though according to you, Tousen can destroy him. Doesn't make sense.

Aizen knew Grimm would mop the floor with Tousen.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 08:57 PM

Pwn Tousen?

Ah, so you do get it.

Tousen destroyed Grimmjow In Kubo's own writing what more proof do you need?

Tousen cut off unreleased Grimmjow's arm. No more, no less. Grimmjow is still alive. He is currently released and fighting Vaizard Ichigo. Chapter 283.

(:

Zanga

07-13-2007, 08:59 PM

And he can shoot spikes out of his leg. Tousen can't win against spikes.

No fucking way.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 09:00 PM

Hell yes. Hedgehog-boy will pirouette Tousen straight into OBLIVION.

(:

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 09:06 PM

We should make a Grimmjow vs Tousen thread... that's what this thread has become.

Zanga

07-13-2007, 09:10 PM

Yeah back on topic....Mayuri.

KholdStare

07-13-2007, 09:13 PM

Well.. I still think poison + invulnerable liquid = Tosen dead.. That's *if* Mayuri doesn't fight like an idiot.

sweeter

07-13-2007, 09:14 PM

Mayuri has uber-hax poison, but Tousen has uber-hax kidou. Both are ranged.

Hmm... who's uglier?

(:

Zanga

07-13-2007, 11:48 PM

...Ok thats not fair.

Mayuri without the face mask vs Tousen :)

h3h3h3

07-15-2007, 02:53 PM

He is still ugly :).

Klavier Gavin

07-15-2007, 03:06 PM

No matter how you see Mayuri, he's still plain ugly.

I say Tousen would take this, unless he can distract Tousen somehow before using his bankai. The poison is not an immediate kill thing, so something can still be done.

If Tousen gets to Mayuri before he uses bankai, he's a goner. As mentioned before, Tousen has high level kidou while Mayuri has a huge caterpillar. Both are ranged, and Tousen's high level kidou is definitely better than Mayuri's caterpillar.

Regarding the Grimmjaw and Tousen event, I think Aizen is trying to protect Tousen since he knows that he's not a match for Grimmjaw, otherwise Aizen would have just let Tousen take care of him.

Zanga

07-15-2007, 04:18 PM

Tousen takes like a whole 30 seconds for his bankai summoning to be complete.

Mayuri's was abot a 5 second thing.

Mayuri just has to release his bankai and become the untouchable liquid. Tousen can't do anyhtig.

h3h3h3

07-15-2007, 07:14 PM

If Tousen gets to Mayuri before he uses bankai, he's a goner. As mentioned before, Tousen has high level kidou while Mayuri has a huge caterpillar. Both are ranged, and Tousen's high level kidou is definitely better than Mayuri's caterpillar

It's very highly likely that Mayuri has as high and higher lvl of Kidou's, he is genius usually genius's are good at Kidou i.e Aizen, Tousen etc.

T_Ichigo

07-15-2007, 07:18 PM

Hmm test make a thread like "mayuri VS Yamamoto" or maybe "Mayuri VS Aizen"
Yeah Mayuri wins once he has released his bankai whose poision is unbeatable, and the liquid form lol.
Everything is not working like that :/ ... heeyaaa ...

Zanga

07-16-2007, 01:51 AM

Well it's obvious those two would kill him before he can even draw out his bankai.

Aizen probably would launch lvl 80 ranged spells that'll eat Mayuri.

sweeter

07-16-2007, 03:09 AM

Aizen will kill Mayuri without releasing, just for the lulz.

(:

zen

07-16-2007, 03:28 AM

I think mayuri would win, just because he's always so prepared for enemies. He would find away to stop tousen's bankai affect then his poison would be trapped in that dome. Poison aside that caterpillar it's huge and trying to run from that thing in the dome is like you need to go light-speed to get away from it.

KholdStare

07-16-2007, 07:07 AM

It's very highly likely that Mayuri has as high and higher lvl of Kidou's, he is genius usually genius's are good at Kidou i.e Aizen, Tousen etc.

Tousen? A genius type? That's news to me.

h3h3h3

07-16-2007, 08:48 AM

Tousen? A genius type? That's news to me.
Genius in Kidou.

Zanga

07-16-2007, 04:59 PM

Using a lvl 50 spell doesn't really show he's a genius.

That's probably normal for a captain. Kukkaku used a lvl 60 spell.

sweeter

07-16-2007, 05:18 PM

Heck, Tessai used a 99 spell. Not kidding (http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/61/16/).

(:

Aleister

07-16-2007, 05:46 PM

well I don't think the numbers represent the strength do they? It seems that some of the other bakudos are stronger than 99. May just be me though?

sweeter

07-16-2007, 06:03 PM

^^ It is implied that the higher the number of the spell, the more powerful a user needs to be in order to perform it (Ch. 176, p. 15 (http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/176/15/)).

(:

Guy

07-16-2007, 07:40 PM

Mayuri calls out his bankai, so does Tousen. The poison engulfs the arena; Tousen's darkness engulfs the arena. As Tousen tries to kill Mayuri, Mayuri panics and turns himself into liquid, thereby escaping. Tousen is left to breathe in the toxic fumes. Mayuri wins... cheaply.

Nowitzki

07-16-2007, 08:01 PM

well I don't think the numbers represent the strength do they? It seems that some of the other bakudos are stronger than 99. May just be me though?

Remember there are Destructive Arts and Ways of Binding. The Ways of Binding Spells would seem a lot weaker than the Destructive Arts because they are different types of spells. That would cause confusion if you just looked at the numbers without realizing the type of spell.

Also, if you take a look at Hadou no. 54 Abolishing Flame which was what Tousen used against Grimmjow's arms, and no. 90 Black Coffin, which is what Aizen used against Komamaru.. which one looks more deadly.

Zanga

07-16-2007, 08:53 PM

Yep Rukia stated that some of the lower Bakudo's are very easy. You don't have to be a soul reaper to use it.

She used Bakudo 1 on Ichigo just by moving her fingers. And Urahara did a stronger one just by look at Rukia.

h3h3h3

07-16-2007, 10:33 PM

Using a lvl 50 spell doesn't really show he's a genius.
That's probably normal for a captain. Kukkaku used a lvl 60 spell.
He is 50 type of genius xD

Momentum

07-17-2007, 09:54 AM

Both of them are strong. Bankai Mayuri and Tousen, Tousen inhales poison while Mayuri suffers depravity... draw? I bet so...

It really depends who releases their bankai first...

h3h3h3

07-17-2007, 04:17 PM

It seems Mayuri can't die without killing someone else with him, maybe some of the High tier captains could survive and Soi Fon.

Vaizard

08-16-2007, 04:29 AM

This one is kinda obvious ...
TOUSEN!!! OBVIOUSLY , WITH ONE SUZUMUSHI , HES DEAD , MAYURI WOULDNT EVEN GET THE CHANCE TO ATTACK HIM!

:Domo TOUSEN FTW :Domo

drzjthan

08-16-2007, 04:50 AM

Mayuri would win his shikai's ability is 2 paralyze anything it cuts but keep the pain in it,his bankai will poison Tousen>over

But still Mayuri can just cut tousan's combat arm and legs and tousen is immobilized

smach

08-17-2007, 01:11 AM

tousen would win, period.

Twister1352

08-17-2007, 01:30 AM

Ill have to go with Tousen on this one, If you remember when Ichigo sliced off yammy's arm Ulquiorra was thinking to himself (He just cut off Yammys Steel Tempered arm ....ect )

I guess my point is ichigo sliced off the 10th's arm and tousen sliced off the 6'ths in one attack with extreme speed.