Hitsugaya vs Shawlong weirdness.. [spoiler]

[celz]

At the end of anime episode #121 Hitsugaya and the others have their limits released after having it approved by the higher ups. Matsumoto was able to defeat her opponent extremely easily whilst renji had a harder time.
Hitsugaya managed to defeat shawlong as well, but right after that Hitsugaya's body gets shredded and he bleeds and falls to the ground and is saved by matsumoto

what the hell was up with that? how the hell did he of all people, a captain, fell to the ground and fainted whilst renji and matsumoto did just fine, CONSIDERING that shawlong, arrancar #11, renji's opponent, and matsumoto's opponent are suppose to be of equal strength (not being in the espada). well perhaps theyre not all of equal strength and shawlong is just stronger? but the weird thing is hitsugaya suddenly gets cut up badly and falls

can anyone explain that? oh and does anyone know exactly how the flower petals on hitsugayas bankai works?

[Zanga]

They're a timer supposedly. Though it's not 100% confirmed, we can assume that when the petals shatter in 'x' amount time, his bankai will dissapear due to Hitsugaya's small weak body.

Another reason Hitsugaya got cut up it well...did you see Shawlong's release? They're giant nails that actually cut...instead of Illfortes brute strength.

That and Hitsugaya is weaksauce.

[sweeter]

They're a timer supposedly. Though it's not 100% confirmed

Why else would the author put it in?

well perhaps theyre not all of equal strength and shawlong is just stronger?

I think Shawlong, Edorad, and Il Forte are around the same strength. But Renji had Ururu assistance LOL. Matsumoto's opponent is most probably weaker than the three, cause she was able to defeat him in Shikai.

(:

[Undying]

At the end of anime episode #121 Hitsugaya and the others have their limits released after having it approved by the higher ups. Matsumoto was able to defeat her opponent extremely easily whilst renji had a harder time.
Matsumoto's opponent was the only one apparently unreleased. Also, Renji blasted his opponent just as easily, with one hit.

Hitsugaya managed to defeat shawlong as well, but right after that Hitsugaya's body gets shredded and he bleeds and falls to the ground and is saved by matsumoto
If you recall, just before that when Shawlong released, his almost gutted Hitsugaya like a fish.
what the hell was up with that? how the hell did he of all people, a captain, fell to the ground and fainted whilst renji and matsumoto did just fine, CONSIDERING that shawlong, arrancar #11, renji's opponent, and matsumoto's opponent are suppose to be of equal strength (not being in the espada). well perhaps theyre not all of equal strength and shawlong is just stronger? but the weird thing is hitsugaya suddenly gets cut up badly and falls
Hitsugaya is weak. As for the cutting up, he was the one most badly damaged. And the one who can take the least damage.

can anyone explain that? oh and does anyone know exactly how the flower petals on hitsugayas bankai works?
Shawlong says it's a timer to Hitsugaya's bankai due to it being incomplete. Nothing else on that part yet.
Why else would the author put it in?
Red herring.
I think Shawlong, Edorad, and Il Forte are around the same strength. But Renji had Ururu assistance LOL. Matsumoto's opponent is most probably weaker than the three, cause she was able to defeat him in Shikai.
Or because she surprised him, or because she's stronger than Hitsugaya, or because Nakim couldn't take his eyes of her boobs. All are possibilities.

And Renji... Renji did get a horn in his guy, with Ururu's help.

[Esca]

Ururu did a better job on them than they did.

[celz]

hmm okay, so hitsugaya Did get beat up good before he was able to release the limiter, but then it's the most random thing, he guts cut up, then, THEN and Only Then, after he beats his opponent 5 minutes after, Then he suffers the wounds. wtf.

im being a bit critical cause i actually like hitsugaya (but they made him look gay in that scene :sad )

[Esca]

Think of it this way. Say YOU'RE in a fight and you're beaten and bruised. You still have to fight on. After the match is over, you let your guard down, your adrenaline disappears, causing you to succumb to your injuries.

[sweeter]

Red herring.

Too detailed to be such.

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[Shercko]

They're a timer supposedly. Though it's not 100% confirmed, we can assume that when the petals shatter in 'x' amount time, his bankai will dissapear due to Hitsugaya's small weak body.
Not really. In both the anime and the manga it was stated by Shawlong that it is because Hits is young and still too inexperienced. His bankai is incomplete/immature.

His body is not a factor in the matter.

[celz]

i like hitsugaya because he is such a mature character and a responsible captain. he may not be as powerful as kenpachi or byakuya but if every captain in SS is like kenpachi there would be no order to the world. byakuya is way too emotionless and at times lacks responsibility (sometimes)

ukitake is mature and responsible too, but hes too sickly

[Guy]

i like hitsugaya because he is such a mature character and a responsible captain. he may not be as powerful as kenpachi or byakuya but if every captain in SS is like kenpachi there would be no order to the world. byakuya is way too emotionless and at times lacks responsibility (sometimes)
ukitake is mature and responsible too, but hes too sickly

Undying will definitely disagree with the "mature" part, lmao.

Hitsugaya is weak, I'm sorry to say this even as a fan of Hitsugaya. His bankai is immature, even more immature than Renji's, because Renji's bankai doesn't have petals for time limit.

Renji won with help form Ururu... that and his bankai has no time limit.

Matsumoto won because she is easily the strongest vc (that and the fact that her opponent was an absolute weakling who did almost nothing).

Hitsugaya... well, let's just say he's not a very developed captain.

[h3h3h3]

Hitsugaya is weakest, I don't know why he is a captain.

(but they made him look gay in that scene :sad )
They din't make him look gay... Unfortunately he is =/.

[Zanga]

Matsumoto won because she is easily the strongest vc

Renji is the strongest VC.


Lol.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Renji outclasses all VC's by 10000000000x

so yea Zanga is spot on.

Nemu over Matsumoto anyday(in every aspect).

[Shercko]

Matsumoto won because she is easily the strongest vc
Whatever gave you that idea? Renji is a VC - bankai - strongest VC.
And also don't forget Shuuhei, Yachiru, and even a 3rd seat, Ikkaku.

Please explain your statement.

[celz]

hmm i wouldnt say hitsugaya is weak. unfortunately i cant say he is very strong either but i wouldnt say he is weak, hes just weakER then other captains. i dont think renji is any stronger then him. Ikkaku is probably (most likely) captain-level

matsumoto seems a capable VC even though she doesnt have a bankai yet, but when she does, im sure she will be quite powerful

the weakest VC seems to be the Tetsuzaemon Iba, or the first squad's VC. oh soi fong's vc is weak ass too

[Shercko]

Iba is not the weakest VC, as you know he fought Ikkaku equally in shikai. And we don't know about Sasakibe or Omaeda, since they both got their asses kicked before they even got to say hello to Ichigo. But as for Omaeda - i can't in my wildest fantasies imagine that he could even hurt a flie, he's stupid, his zanpakuto seems very ineffective, and he also seems very slow too.

From my point of view, Hinamori and Omaeda are the two most worthless VCs.

[h3h3h3]

hmm i wouldnt say hitsugaya is weak. unfortunately i cant say he is very strong either but i wouldnt say he is weak, hes just weakER then other captains.

He is Weak compared to other Captains.

[Zanga]

Hitsugaya shouldn't be compared to anyone who's not captain level. That's the class he's in.

So you shoudn't say 'He's the 13th strongest guy in the SS and that's gotta mean something right?!?!?!?'

[celz]

i dont think hinamori is worthless, she was just used by aizen. we havent even got to see her in a Real fight. She is a master of demonic arts, see the huge hole in her cell when she was under arrest? thats gotta be something.

[FullMetal Rebel]

Hinamori is just a good spellcaster,that is all.I can't really see her doing anything by herself,seeing as she is a spellcaster.She is good at Kidou,but that doesn't mean anything in a sword based shounen.

[Zanga]

Who said she can't sword fight.

[FullMetal Rebel]

I'll laugh if she is good at sword fighting.

[Zanga]

I wouldn't. I'd find it logical that a VC can use her zapaktou properly.


Iba did state to rise the ranks and become a VC, you had to be good in all areas.

[Shercko]

Well yes, but that still doesn't mean that everyone has to be equally good.

And as other people stated here, she is kickass at kidou, and with that, look at Zaraki; He doesn't have bankai, but he still got accepted into the Gotei 13. Why? Because of his love and need for battle, as well as his skills in it. The case could very well be the same with Hinamori, the useless, whiny and way too naive VC.

[koolspot]

I think that what happened to hitsugaya that episode was a mistake... Why?

Let´s put it this way: Ichimaru.

Ichimaru is certainly stronger than Hitsugaya, but the point here is that their fight shows that the difference between Ichimaru´s Power and Hitsugaya´s Power is not Too High. Wanna know Why i think like this? Think about this.

Ichimaru Unreleased 1 VS Hitsugaya Unreleased 1:

Ichimaru Toys around a bit showing his experience and skill in a pure sword fight. If you see his face (in that fight) you´ll see that he is completely calm. Let´s add a number to Ichimaru´s unreleased state, let´s say that he wa at 50% of his unreleased state.
Ichimaru was toying around completely in that moment so hitsugaya´s unreleased state was at least a 50% too.

Ichimaru Unreleased 50% VS Hitsugaya Unreleased 100%

Hitsugaya gave ichimaru some hits that he dodged but you can see that his face expression changed. But Hitsugaya was not strong enough to make him release.

Ichimaru Unreleased 70% VS Hitsugaya´s Shikai

Ichimaru Tried to not use unnecesary level to fight against the kid but he was wrong, using that level of power was underestimate Hitsu. He got an arm completely frozen, and you can saw his expression and reaction to this. And he inmediately released his shikai. Aimed to hinamori or not it dosen´t matter, Hitsugaya´s shikai state forced ichimaru to release his shikai.

That reaction wasnt a joke, he did not took the ice off his arm, like shawlong did.

You know what that means, that bankai hitsugaya would force ichimaru to go bankai to beat him up. Ichimaru is over the Espada so don´t you guys see something wrong there? Or Ichimaru is a weakling too?

[black_shadow]

Well, I most definitely agree with koolspot, and not just because I'm a Hitsu fangirl.

Hitsugaya is the youngest Captain in all of Soul Society and therefore, his bankai is still immature. But there is still room for improvement on that part. And just think: Hitsugaya most probably fell after beating Shawlong because of Shawlong's release, but maybe Hitsu was determined to beat Shawlong before he let himself fall. After all, Hitsu is young, and even though he's a Captain, don't keep on thinking that he can handle it and suddenly you say he's weak because he 'exploded' blood in that scene.

My reason for that is this: Hitsu is still young and his body probably couldn't take that much damage all at once, but knowing him, his stubborness pulled him through.

[smach]

umm, what's the arguement here? i thought it was pretty obvious to ppl that whenever u get a new villain, they're gonna be more powerful than recent ones hence the need for new powerups. it's like tousen being stronger than grimjow, even though he had previously lost to zaraki.

[Neko Bam]

I think that what happened to hitsugaya that episode was a mistake... Why?
Let´s put it this way: Ichimaru.
Ichimaru is certainly stronger than Hitsugaya, but the point here is that their fight shows that the difference between Ichimaru´s Power and Hitsugaya´s Power is not Too High. Wanna know Why i think like this? Think about this.
Ichimaru Unreleased 1 VS Hitsugaya Unreleased 1:
Ichimaru Toys around a bit showing his experience and skill in a pure sword fight. If you see his face (in that fight) you´ll see that he is completely calm. Let´s add a number to Ichimaru´s unreleased state, let´s say that he wa at 50% of his unreleased state.
Ichimaru was toying around completely in that moment so hitsugaya´s unreleased state was at least a 50% too.
Ichimaru Unreleased 50% VS Hitsugaya Unreleased 100%
Hitsugaya gave ichimaru some hits that he dodged but you can see that his face expression changed. But Hitsugaya was not strong enough to make him release.
Ichimaru Unreleased 70% VS Hitsugaya´s Shikai
Ichimaru Tried to not use unnecesary level to fight against the kid but he was wrong, using that level of power was underestimate Hitsu. He got an arm completely frozen, and you can saw his expression and reaction to this. And he inmediately released his shikai. Aimed to hinamori or not it dosen´t matter, Hitsugaya´s shikai state forced ichimaru to release his shikai.
That reaction wasnt a joke, he did not took the ice off his arm, like shawlong did.
You know what that means, that bankai hitsugaya would force ichimaru to go bankai to beat him up. Ichimaru is over the Espada so don´t you guys see something wrong there? Or Ichimaru is a weakling too?

I don't believe this story. I actually believe that Ichimaru was toying around the entire time, his frozen arm was just a minor accident, and he only used his Shikai because he completely planned the situation, so Hitsugaya had the choice to either dodge or let Hinamori die. Ichimaru didn't go all out on Hitsu, he actually planned his doom, in which he would've succeeded if it weren't for Matsumoto

[h3h3h3]

Ichimaru was toying because Aizen told him to, it was all planned IMO, Ichimaru would've owned Hitsuagaya in a split second.

[Vaizard]

Hitsugaya got shredded up badly cause his bankai was not perfect , his flower petals are timers , if they all break before he wins , = GAME OVER
Matsumoto won cause her oppenent was too overconfident of his skills , which he shouldnt have -_-
Renji did not win easily because his opponent was really concentrating on the battle until they had their limit releases which distracted him , which gave him the chance to attack with Baboon Bone Cannon ( Baboon Beam Cannon? ) , idk

[Nowitzki]

I don't believe this story. I actually believe that Ichimaru was toying around the entire time, his frozen arm was just a minor accident, and he only used his Shikai because he completely planned the situation, so Hitsugaya had the choice to either dodge or let Hinamori die. Ichimaru didn't go all out on Hitsu, he actually planned his doom, in which he would've succeeded if it weren't for Matsumoto
Ichimaru was toying because Aizen told him to, it was all planned IMO, Ichimaru would've owned Hitsuagaya in a split second.

Agreed. The whole scenario was planned out by Aizen so that Hitsugaya could kill Hinamori. Ichimaru's job was to set up the meeting, and ensure that Hinamori was dead. As Aizen said, he did not want to kill Hinamori, so he took the liberty to try to get others to kill her, such as Hitsugaya. Seeing as how Hitsugaya did not kill Hinamori, Ichimaru had to try to do the job himself for Aizen's sake. If Ichimaru's goal was to destroy Hitsugaya, he would have fought more seriously. Just with his fighting style, you could tell he was not all too serious. The way he tossed wood into Hitsugaya's face (although effective) shows, to me, that he was merely joking around and angering Hitsugaya at that point.

[Twister1352]

At the end of anime episode #121 Hitsugaya and the others have their limits released after having it approved by the higher ups. Matsumoto was able to defeat her opponent extremely easily whilst renji had a harder time.
Hitsugaya managed to defeat shawlong as well, but right after that Hitsugaya's body gets shredded and he bleeds and falls to the ground and is saved by matsumoto
what the hell was up with that? how the hell did he of all people, a captain, fell to the ground and fainted whilst renji and matsumoto did just fine, CONSIDERING that shawlong, arrancar #11, renji's opponent, and matsumoto's opponent are suppose to be of equal strength (not being in the espada). well perhaps theyre not all of equal strength and shawlong is just stronger? but the weird thing is hitsugaya suddenly gets cut up badly and falls
can anyone explain that? oh and does anyone know exactly how the flower petals on hitsugayas bankai works?
Well I don't know why hitsu had such a hard time but I know why renji had such a hard time

Didn't the researcher espada (#8 I believe) say his brother was the one who renji beat with his bankai?? That would mean the one renji beat had to have been pretty strong for having an espada as a brother, not to mention him being the lead researcher..

[Undying]

Well I don't know why hitsu had such a hard time but I know why renji had such a hard time

Didn't the researcher espada (#8 I believe) say his brother was the one who renji beat with his bankai?? That would mean the one renji beat had to have been pretty strong for having an espada as a brother, not to mention him being the lead researcher..

Szayel has very weak battle abilities, which is why he's not evidence to his brother's battle powers.

Hitsu was having a hard time because he's a loser.

[Suprathai]

I don't know if this has been answered yet or not.....but the reason why he started bursting with blood is because the fight was over. During the fight, when you are using alot of your reiatsu you will not bleed easily or not bleed at all.

If you remember the fight where zaraki stabbed ichigo, when ichigo came back (with zangetsu), zangetsu could stop his wound from bleeding.....zaraki commented on that.

[Undying]

Hitsugaya froze his wounds shut -_-. It was shown in the manga quite clearly. When the fight ended, Hitsugaya lost his ice because his bankai turned off.