Goodguy Deaths

[kav2001c]

Any predictions on whether anyone will actually die vs the Espada?
Will we continue to see people being left alive (Rukia, Chad etc) while all the Espada are cut down?

[Wadei]

Something I've been thinking is that if say, Chad or Orihime die, will they go to Soul Society and become Shinigami? They both are already spiritually aware, so it can be assumed that they have the potential to be.

Back on topic, I think Orihime will die, simply because she's gained "God" status.

I think Rukia and Chad will be saved by members of Soul Society while their on the brink of death.

[Zanga]

Orihime might just die in the very end somehow.


But I'm only assuming that because she also died the 'first bleach' that got rejected when Kubo first started.

[*<Grove>*]

Orihime is way to weak for atks but gots a good def...........but real clumsy.

[Nowitzki]

I think up to the very end of Bleach, Orihime is safe because of how valuable she is. Even if she screws with Aizen's plans with the Hougyoku, I think they'd still keep her because of how powerful she is. Whoever has her owns a power that can defy the Gods. As we've seen, Orihime falls very easily under persuasion, and can be used by anybody if they know how to push her buttons.

[Edgey]

I want Orihime to die while confessing her love to Ichigo, that would friggin pwn as an end to the Espada war!

[sweeter]

Maybe Zaraki?

I want it to be some really heavy drama. Because, really, him dying in battle is the only death I see for him, unlike Byakuya, who I can see dying of old age, and we all know that Hitsugaya will die of AIDS.

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[Pyramus]

I want to see Hitsugaya die, that kid had too much screen time anyhow!

[diamondedge]

That's a very interesting issue brought yet again. I started reading the manga, but I'm more knowledgeable of anime, and the only ones that ever died were bad guy filler characters.

In all honesty, I don't see anyone actually dying. Bleach just isn't that type of series. I mean, look at what kind of injuries characters characters suffered from, and in few days in bed (or not even that *coughichigocough*) everyone is just fine. IF by some incredible coincidence Kubo does decides to kill someone from the good side, I highly doubt it would be someone popular. Heavens forbid killing someone with such low level of skill as Hitsugaya (no offense to fans - I love Hitsugaya myself but what is true is true) who fought at same level as vice captain at their first fight with Espada. My point is, Bleach has HUGE fan base. A range of characters that people like is enormous. Bleach is MAINSTREAM anime, therefore fans are sometimes more "important" that authors own ideals and ideas. it's logical for Espada to loose, even though they're highly popular, because they're the bad guys.

So yeah, my best bet is that no one will actually die. And TBH I like it that way, even though I am annoyed by the logic of the series sometimes. I would like everyone to stay alive just because so characters who were close to killed one wouldn't go emo, because I am quite frankly getting a bit fed up with "friends till the end" and "i won't let any harm come to you" crap. :)

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I want it to be some really heavy drama. Because, really, him dying in battle is the only death I see for him, unlike Byakuya, who I can see dying of old age, and we all know that Hitsugaya will die of AIDS.
You seriously made me laugh with this. xD Especially the last tine. As for Zaraki, I can see him dying in the battlefield, because he is supposed to be a true warrior, and for the true warrior death is only possible on the battlefield. So if he intends to do that, now would be the time.
As for Byakuya, no one will touch him. xD
And ROFLMAO at that Hitsugaya comment. You deserve some rep for this, seriously. :D

[Nowitzki]

In all honesty, I don't see anyone actually dying. Bleach just isn't that type of series. I mean, look at what kind of injuries characters characters suffered from, and in few days in bed (or not even that *coughichigocough*) everyone is just fine. IF by some incredible coincidence Kubo does decides to kill someone from the good side, I highly doubt it would be someone popular. Heavens forbid killing someone with such low level of skill as Hitsugaya (no offense to fans - I love Hitsugaya myself but what is true is true) who fought at same level as vice captain at their first fight with Espada. My point is, Bleach has HUGE fan base. A range of characters that people like is enormous. Bleach is MAINSTREAM anime, therefore fans are sometimes more "important" that authors own ideals and ideas. it's logical for Espada to loose, even though they're highly popular, because they're the bad guys.

Agreed. I can't see any of the main protagonists dying unless it's at the very end of the series. I speculate that most of the deaths' will be Shinigami (some that we do know.. like some random vice captains and maybe a few captains - most likely those that we don't know too well ) and the majority of Arrancar. Also.. there's pretty much no way around letting Aizen live, as well as Gin and Tousen. I can understand certain people dying at critical points in the story:

Rukia

But i agree that most likely Kubo won't kill off the whole cast of protagonists while Bleach isn't even close to ending.

[sweeter]

ROFLMAO at that Hitsugaya comment.

I can't take full credit for that. I, myself, was merely informed of this manga fact (http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=39134).

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[*<Grove>*]

Man mangas are so informative for good discussions or debates.

[Pyramus]

Where does Hitsugaya get the aids from? I guess that Hinimori has been a horny little girl latly! Tut Tut!

[Edgey]

^ 0_0 at that comment :D

Hitsugaya doesn't have AIDS, it's a joke from another thread :)

Also I too can see Zaraki dying in battle, also maybe Keigo will die just because nobody likes him.

[sweeter]

Yama-jii could die.

Someone replacing him as Captain Commander would be like the signal of a new era, where Vaizards are accepted since they've successfully shown in the Winter War how they can be on teh good side.

Of course, I'd want this at the very very end.

Unohana looks like she could be a fitting successor.

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[Aleister]

meh if some one were to replace yama-jii it would be either yukitake(probably to sick though), byakuya(hes calm and powerful much like the current commander general), or Shunsui (perhaps too lazy to be taken as a serious candidate?)

[Nowitzki]

Byakuya is too young and arrogant about his heritage and aristocratic ways of life. He doesn't really show too much care for others, and leaders should be willing to sacrifice their own image and glory for the sake of others. Byakuya doesn't seem like the type who'd want to operate a group.. and would rather tend only to his personal matters.

[Aleister]

yeah i was thinking similarly obbywan...but I was holding out hope he had changed due to the end of the SS arc. honestly I just don't see anyone capable of replacing yama-jii ..soi fong is not comgen material, unohana doesn't seem strong enough to enforce the rules of ss like yama-jii can, komamaru meh to rash imho, hitsugaya too weak/young although he was appointed head of the units for defending SS from the ryoka by yama-jii himself, zaraki is too much of a gladiator, and well mayuri is just too wierd.
however stepping outside the current caps. perhaps urahara? just an idea though or former commander of the military

[diamondedge]

I agree to what you have said about Bykauya. But he has a great advantage over most of others because of his personality that would be very well fitting for a commander - he never looses his calm and always thinks ahead of things. Of course that is not to happen, but if Yamamoto by some incredible coincidence did die, I really don't see anyone but Byakuya taking his place. Of course, both Ukitake and Kyoraku are stronger than him, but Ukitake is very ill and is able to aid only when really needed and commanber would need to be on his 100% whole time. Kyoraku is as you have said - too lazy. Byakuya on the other hand is indeed still very young and arrogant, but he has what it takes to be the leader in my opinion. Who knows. I would of course, still prefer him as the 6th division captain. :)

[II Xion II]

I think that Byakuya could die, especially if Rukia lives (which I also hope does not happen).

I can picture him warding off the fatal blow for Rukia, only to have himself be killed in the process. Much in the same way when Gin fired his shikai at Rukia back at the end of the SS Arc.

Still, I think that anyone is up for grabs at the moment, and Yama-ji I certainly think will die. Just maybe not at the hands of the Espada. Maybe Aizen would do him in.

[Nowitzki]

I think that Byakuya could die, especially if Rukia lives (which I also hope does not happen).

I can picture him warding off the fatal blow for Rukia, only to have himself be killed in the process. Much in the same way when Gin fired his shikai at Rukia back at the end of the SS Arc.

Considering Byakuya has already taken a death blow for Rukia before, if he dies like you say, it wouldn't be very dramatic.

If Yamamoto dies, I don't think they'd choose his successor within the current Bleach storyline unless Kubo plans to go past the Winter War Arc.

[Aleister]

I can't really see a replacement for the head of the gotei 13 coming from outside, and people actually giving them respect.

[Atredeus]

I can't really see a replacement for the head of the gotei 13 coming from outside, and people actually giving them respect.

Obby was saying that they wouldn't name a successor in the current Bleach storyline, unless it continued past the Winter War Arc... They'd probably leave it open-ended in the conclusion

[kav2001c]

I assume if Yamamoto died it would be in very end of series (and would also pretty much signal an end to SS as we know it... by this point the Gotei 13 lost head captain, the entire room 46 has been wiped out, and the residents of SS are dealing with Vaizards and Arrancars some of which Im sure will end up on the "good guys" side)

Im kinda leaning towards Rukia or Orihime dieing, I dont know I just cant see both surviving

I just think KT has introduced so many characters now that he cant possibly manage them all (esp since some like Toshiro keep hogging screen time)
Yet at same time I cant see mass scale slaughter and I def cant see the Arrancars all turning out to be good guys after all (though I still expect defections)

[h3h3h3]

I hope Byakuya, Hitsugaya, Zaraki, Komamura, Soi Fong and Mayuri dies but ofcourse Rukia too.

[Nowitzki]

If anything, I think the senior Captain's will just hold council with eachother and discuss what is best amongst themselves in the case that Yamamoto dies. The Captains will become the authority, and govern Soul Society as a small group, until one day they will elect a new Commander General. However, I still don't think they'd name a new Commander within Bleach. Soul Society hasn't rushed to replace Aizen, Ichimaru, and Tousen, and I doubt they would rush to choose a new Commander General when there is difficulty finding candidates for Captain.

[orange big heart]

It's sad but I think rukia will die thinking she's saving someone or making a difference!

Ukitaki from sickness probably, I agree about Zaraki dying in battle same goes for Ikaku.
Yama ji never from age (if that's the case he should be dead long time ago!).

Hitsugaya will die from ignorance about the minimum amount of strength he got!

[Taira]

Orihime or Matsumoto will die. I think there will also be alot of serious injuries, but not that many deaths.

[Lelouch]

I think Orihime will be the one to die. Her powers are unlimited , and with such powers she could shape Soul Society , Hueco Mundo , or even Earth - easily. Kubo will kill her in the end in order to stabilise the manga's world. Her death could be a heroic sacrifice like rejecting Aizen's very existance , or using her last remaining strength to buff Ichigo in his struggle. I foresee her becoming dust , and Ichigo standing there just crying in a very emo ''last'' chapter.

[KholdStare]

If Yamamoto were to die I think Byakuya could be the new leader but I don't think he will be. He is pretty young among the captains, if anybody becomes the new leader it will be Shunsui or Ukitake.

Yamamoto probably would want his best students to succeed him.

[Sin]

I agree but its most likely Shunsui because of Ukitake's poor health.

However i don't think Yamamoto can be defeated. His shikai alone is... woah!!! i can't see him going to bankai and losing.

[TallDarkRandom]

If Yamamoto were to die I think Byakuya could be the new leader but I don't think he will be. He is pretty young among the captains, if anybody becomes the new leader it will be Shunsui or Ukitake.

Yamamoto probably would want his best students to succeed him.



its not about age when it comes to a captains i think who ever is strongest and vigilant would become captain so basically aizen was guaranteed it,

on the other hand i think urahara would pwn at being his successor, we dont actually fully know how strong he is either nor ichigo's dad sorry am digressing here lol

but yer to the point rukia needs to die chad does and those and that annoying thing that crys all the time the big yellow mo fo**er proper does my head in.:spartatime::r30:

[KholdStare]

its not about age when it comes to a captains i think who ever is strongest and vigilant would become captain so basically aizen was guaranteed it,

on the other hand i think urahara would pwn at being his successor, we dont actually fully know how strong he is either nor ichigo's dad sorry am digressing here lol

but yer to the point rukia needs to die chad does and those and that annoying thing that crys all the time the big yellow mo fo**er proper does my head in.:spartatime::r30:

And you're right, it is about whoever is the strongest but Shunsui and Ukitake (when not sick) are stronger than any other captains (other than Yamamoto). That's why I believed they would be the best choice to succeed Yamamoto if he died.

Shunsui seems too lazy to be a leader though... he's always like "whatever".

[diamondedge]

I actually disagree with your politics of "strongest in ability" being at the throne.

What makes a good leader is ability to decide fast and swift according to the situation, to remain calm under pressure and to work in best interest of everyone.

Doing something is usually not such problem. The problems is knowing what to do.

Yamamoto is strongest NOW but how many times did he actually step in action on his own? when he went to spank Ukitake and Shunsui, the rest of the time he is just giving orders. So yeah.

Ukitake can't even run the division. And Shunsui doesn't care. I expect Yamamoto to die but I see only Unohana taking his place.

[KholdStare]

But what I feel is that for people like Zaraki to actually follow orders, somebody way above him in power would need to be the leader. If Unohana or Byakuya was the leader, I don't think Zaraki would care at all about what their orders were.

I think if the decision was left to Yamamoto, I can almost bet he would pick Ukitake or Shunsui.

[Undying]

Unohana hasn't done anything either but follow orders and heal.

Yamamoto build a whole battle plan.

[diamondedge]

Unohana hasn't done anything either but follow orders and heal.

Yamamoto build a whole battle plan.
I must have left the part where thanx to her SS got a clue Aizen wasn't dead, and she is the only one to calmly stare at his face knowing what he can do.

Anything BUT?

Tell me, which power is greater; the one to take life, or the one to save it?
But what I feel is that for people like Zaraki to actually follow orders, somebody way above him in power would need to be the leader. If Unohana or Byakuya was the leader, I don't think Zaraki would care at all about what their orders were.

I think if the decision was left to Yamamoto, I can almost bet he would pick Ukitake or Shunsui.
Zaraki follows orders, the latest chapter is a pretty nice indicator. He does it for his own interests, but he does it.

[Undying]

I must have left the part where thanx to her SS got a clue Aizen wasn't dead, and she is the only one to calmly stare at his face knowing what he can do.

Anything BUT?
Yamamoto hadn't shown the slightest surprise as well.

Also, Unohana did not KNOW anything for sure; she suspected.

But individual actions are entirely different from large-scale actions, anyway. Unohana did not plan ahead to the point she already knew which areas to defend against a possible enemy invasion, she also did not display any hint of valid amounts of strategic and tactical knowledge which are the very least that a war leader would require. If she is to be a general, she will need to think on a far larger scale than her previous assignments. Her only actions thus far were individual investigation and healing.

She's a healer. Not a general.

Tell me, which power is greater; the one to take life, or the one to save it?

Depends on the target. Either way though, I don't see any link between power and leadership. It's merely a coincidence that in order for one to become leader in Soul Society, they are also usually extraordinarily powerful.

[diamondedge]

Yamamoto hadn't shown the slightest surprise as well.

Also, Unohana did not KNOW anything for sure; she suspected.
Yes, so she went and checked. Did anyone else have the slightest idea of it? Nope.

But individual actions are entirely different from large-scale actions, anyway. Unohana did not plan ahead to the point she already knew which areas to defend against a possible enemy invasion, she also did not display any hint of valid amounts of strategic and tactical knowledge which are the very least that a war leader would require.
Neither did Shunui or Ukitake, but it still makes them valid candidates according to most people.
That's what are we talking about, right? The possible replacement for Yama?

[Undying]

Yes, so she went and checked. Did anyone else have the slightest idea of it? Nope.
Was anyone a trained healer? Nope. How does this make her a valid candidate for leadership?

Neither did Shunui or Ukitake, but it still makes them valid candidates according to most people.
Not I. I don't support anyone "replacing" Yama when it comes to actual leadership capabilities. The only person I see as a valid replacement to Yamamoto is Urahara (intelligence and lengthy planning ahead). Other than that, I haven't yet seen any impressive tactical or strategical feats from any of the characters except Yamamoto, Aizen, and Urahara.
That's what are we talking about, right? The possible replacement for Yama?
Last I checked the thread's title was "goodguy deaths".

[KholdStare]

I myself went off topic, but let's get back on topic... create a new thread if you want to discuss Yamamoto's replacement if he dies.