Do you think men are opressed?

[oekidani]

okay okay i've been saying for two days already I wanted to make this thread.

First off I am a girl so don't get your panties in a bunch cause i'm hating on my gender :P

blah blah blah women are opressed but it's not like we don't opress men. Sheesh all these standards that girls have for guys is amazing.

I've seen women freak out and stress on men for doing yard work and other "manly" tasks as if the girls can't do it themselves. What are they afraid to break a nail?

Men are expected to act gentlemanlike without any objection. Seriously I've seen some guys so whipped that they're like puppies leashed on/wrapped around a girl's finger. Women manipulate men to do as the girls please and if he even objects he's put on punishment. like "no kissing for you tonight"

Oh btw girls guys are highly sexual creatures. They get stimulated by images first and foremost and then later on when he's in love it'll be emotional too. Most guys that have girlfriends [that I know] would have their heads ripped off if they even oogled a girl on a street, if he commented that she's hot his girlfriend or date would be all like "you think i'm prettier, right? And hell if you don't say what she wants to hear you are dead.

Some girls are clingy and hate it that guys have well guys nights out. As for guys getting visually stimulated, what better place to do that than a strip joint? All these girls think cheating is all about physical sex, but tell me this would you be more upset if a guy had sex with another girl or if he fell in love with another girl? because she gave him more emotional support than you ever would.

In my general area aka Los Angeles County California [tons of fake girls with high standards :P] You know that freedom of speech we have in America? Men have it...not so much. It's more like the quote "men are like fish, neither would get in trouble if they kept their mouths shut"

Nowadays women are making men tell them what they want to hear not even considering that they are shutting a part of a guy completely away and that pretty much seems like betrayal and in no way would you be loving some guy for who he is because you don't WANT to hear what he truly thinks at times.

There are other examples but for now I cose to focus on love and such. Well hope you enjoyed. :P

Comments, Questions, Critiques?

[Neko Xab]

Well, you do make a valid point, and despite being female, I'd have to agree with you on a lot of stuff. One thing though is that you need to look at this on a worldwide scale. I'd have to say that each individual on this planet, no matter who they may be, is at least a little racist, a little sexist, and in some way an ass, just like the rest of the world. And, we all oppress or are oppressed at least once in our lifetimes.

Take, for example, what you said about guys not being able to resist oggling a hot chick in the street. In this country, his girlfriend will get in his face about it. The man is punished. However, it'll work backwards in the Middle East. Men are well aware of their weakness to stimulation by an image. To solve this problem, they take it out on the ladies, forcing them to cover up and not to be allowed to wander unescorted. They are basically punishing the women because the men can't control their lustful urges.

What I'm trying to say is that we all get oppressed, it's just on varying degrees and dependent on the locations, cultures, and situations of the oppressee.

I'll rest for now, typing this all out at 2 in the morning by pointing attention letters on a screen with a Wiimote gets tiring.

[Guy]

Yes, thank you for noticing! This is what we call "reverse discrimination". If you ever watch US crime dramas, you will realize that almost always it's the husband who murders his wife for insurance money or some other crap. It's always the father that's abusive to his children while the mother shields her children.

Although these aren't real signs of oppression, it is definitely a sign of reverse discrimination. Men are portrayed in the media as sex freaks and abusive and violent beings, while women are portrayed as gentle, innocent beings.

Then, there's also the case of chivalry. When I get mad, I yell at people, regardless if they are men or women. I remembered once, working on a group project, a girl didn't do her job. I got really pissed off and said some nasty stuff. She replied, "You shouldn't talk that way to a lady!" I hate that kind of double standard.

[II Xion II]

I wouldn't simplify things to such an extent as to say that men are oppressed or that women are oppressed or that black people or Asians or any particular group is oppressed.

The reason being that that entirely depends on the location of the group (in some places people might face very little oppression) and the particular person in question.

I am sure there are guys out there who feel they are "oppressed" by girls, or at least held to an absurd number of expectations. The same goes for girls though who might feel that they are oppressed by guys.

I am sure that there are guys oppressed by girls and girls oppressed by guys. And I am also sure that depending on where one is, one takes precedence over the other. Globally, there might be more instances of girls being oppressed by guys, but that doesn't mean that the other side doesn't occur.

So, I will stay neutral on this issue and say that oppression depends on a number of variables and that anybody, anywhere, and in any time can be oppressed.

[DJ StarScream]

I think they are. Today when I entered the high school I'm going to for a reason. There were some girls there I remembered and some that I had liked. I got paranoid and started freaking out about things that I wouldn't and when they started laughing is when I really started breathing heavily. I was mostly worried about what they thought of my apperance then what I was there for.

[oekidani]

I dunno how many thread makers monitor their debates but just to remind you all this is a thread about guys being opressed if there's an arguement about men opressing women take it to the women being opressed thread. That's not the title of it but you'll find it.

Opression be it little or huge is still opression so it does not matter what country or circumstance it is, what matters is the examples and your arguements are men opressed or not.

@Taraqs girls do that a lot, I do that a lot. I don't consider that oppression more like you just being not self confident enough. I laugh ou loud with my girlfriends and I don't give a damn basically of who's around us. If a guy happens to be near us it's not like we all of a sudden start talking about him, more likely we'd ignore him and keep on talking and joking unless he was cute and one of the girls thought he was then we'd talk it over a bit and maybe tease the girl for "liking" him or tell her to go over and talk to him.

It's like thinking that if you're near a gay guy that he likes you. People shoudln't flatter themselves that much to think that they are on other people's minds even if you know them. You can't assume that all gay guys like you cause people have their types, just like you can't assume all girls you know/like/remember are laughing at you.

Oh and don't get offended and take it personal. I just state facts in debate sections and opinions.

@thg7f thanks :] sorry when I post and talk to people I haven't been looking at their usernames but i'm guessing that you're from one of the debate threads i've gone into cause my other posts oustide of this section don't deserve any compliments since they're nothing special :P

Ah there we go! I knew it had to be from the women's thread x3 huzzah I shall now have you inscribed into my brain forever or until I have memory loss.. -don't jinx myself- >_< -knocks on wood-

[Aleister]

yeah I have seen a few of your debates lately... and now to respond to this one. I don't know if I'd call myself oppressed. I think most of the things men consider "hardships" are actually just society trying to not favor women. We realize women get the short end of the stick, so we try to balance things as we see fit. However, we being human can make mistakes and can overcorrect situations that may or may not need correcting at all.

[Sono i Lupi]

i think in the beginning men were not oppressed, women were
solly b/c women never questioned their place in society and neither did men
but then they started to say hey i can do this stuff to
and over time they were granted more rights
and any time they werent granted rights or rights were questioned it was seen as discrimination... now lately after years of debating and etc ppl are starting to question all the things theyve done so not to be veiwed as discriminitory...
lately i was listening to a talk show and theres a man in pennsylvannia, who i fuly support, who is the head of the like PA insurance blah blah blah, u no, the ngga in charge, and he found irresputable proof that shows women are worse drivers then men.... but back when insurance and etc was put into effect, there was very few women drivers so the statistics showed that they were better drivers and men were belived to be worse drivers so they had higher premiums while women had lower, but now, which almost every person in america with a liscence and car, the statistics are more accuracte it shows the opposite, and now when the guy in charge is trying to push for this new bill to lower mens and higher womens hes getting all kind of hate mail and poor responces b/c of women who dont wana accpet the fact that their worse drivers and men who dont wana say otherwise to their wives and significant others... when ppl push bills that hurt men in general u never hear these huge uproars, if its true and even sometimes if its not we accept it.....

so in conclusion, yes, in recent years men have been hated on like no other
their veiwed as drunk, corrupt, ignorant, stupid and all sorts of other things that they really arent...

no im not discriminating against women in any way, i love the ladies, but enough is enough, we cant keep tip toeing through the tulips around certain issues
ppl need to stop being so stubborn and defensive and start fixing shit

[4thseal]

omg, i'm sorry but if you can argue that men are oppressed, you can also argue that white people are oppressed. Seriously, it's a non-sensical stanze when you really analyize our culture. I feel lucky to be a man, because of the social benifits we currentl have.

[Shinomori]

i think in the beginning men were not oppressed, women were

Actually, that's a rather false statement.

In the beginning, with the cavemen, men existed (essentially) for the servitude of women. They followed a system not much unlike that of modern-day pack animals such as lions or even gorillas/monkeys. The most capable male gets the best female, and so forth. The males did the work in order to show their prowess in physical labor so that they would have the best mate.

Fast forward to early civilization. Most places followed a standard system of the father "giving away" the daughter. This was not usually done to a suitable mate, it was done to a rich one. The one exception was Egypt, where women enjoyed the same rights as men (including full legal rights) without having to do much work for it.

Then we get to the middle ages, my favorite. Tales of chivalry abound, with men doing gallant deeds in order to win the heart of a fair damsel. Once again, we've come back to the cavemen here. The women are in a position of power, getting what they want by charm and allure in "that" way. Most, if not all, of the romantic epics of the middle ages feature a hero trying to do some "impossible" quest in order to win his lady's love, dedicating his victories to her in the hope that she might deign to give him something in return.

Towards the end of this period, the "defense of women" literary genre temporarily existed, where people wrote about how women were to be exalted and held above all others, and how men should treat them better for various reasons. Unsurprisingly, many of these books were actually written by women under pen names.

Then we get to the 1800s, where women were viewed as people who were used to give children and tend to the house, but we also see a bit of this whole "emotional compatibility" thing coming into play with the rise of marriages for love, not for status or for money. This trend has continued for a while - however, it changed around the start of the 1900s with the women's right movement.

While I will be the first to admit my sheer, bottomless loathing for feminism, I'll try to say this with the least bias as possible. Feminism, when it happened, was a good thing. We knew women were people too, we might as well give them the same rights - the whole "equality" thing in america, and all. Not a problem. The problem was when women continued this feminism movement into the later years, where the problems no longer existed, yet women used feminism as an excuse to gain more rights while getting nothing back (i.e. you can vote, but you can't be drafted).

Now, what's my point here? It seems like I just said how women were oppressed...but that really IS my point.

Men aren't oppressed. Men are enslaved to their inherent reproductive natures and endorphins. As a man, it is genetically "programmed" into you to find the most suitable mate and breed with them, thus ensuring the survival of the human race and so forth. Women, throughout time, have utilized this position and, quite frankly, abused it to get what they want from men.

However, this is NOT oppression. This is simply manipulation.

So there you are, there's my post which took entirely too long to write, and I hope it serves at least SOME use, if not much.

[KT Samurai]

Actually, that's a rather false statement.
In the beginning, with the cavemen, men existed (essentially) for the servitude of women. They followed a system not much unlike that of modern-day pack animals such as lions or even gorillas/monkeys. The most capable male gets the best female, and so forth. The males did the work in order to show their prowess in physical labor so that they would have the best mate.
Fast forward to early civilization. Most places followed a standard system of the father "giving away" the daughter. This was not usually done to a suitable mate, it was done to a rich one. The one exception was Egypt, where women enjoyed the same rights as men (including full legal rights) without having to do much work for it.
Then we get to the middle ages, my favorite. Tales of chivalry abound, with men doing gallant deeds in order to win the heart of a fair damsel. Once again, we've come back to the cavemen here. The women are in a position of power, getting what they want by charm and allure in "that" way. Most, if not all, of the romantic epics of the middle ages feature a hero trying to do some "impossible" quest in order to win his lady's love, dedicating his victories to her in the hope that she might deign to give him something in return.
Towards the end of this period, the "defense of women" literary genre temporarily existed, where people wrote about how women were to be exalted and held above all others, and how men should treat them better for various reasons. Unsurprisingly, many of these books were actually written by women under pen names.
Then we get to the 1800s, where women were viewed as people who were used to give children and tend to the house, but we also see a bit of this whole "emotional compatibility" thing coming into play with the rise of marriages for love, not for status or for money. This trend has continued for a while - however, it changed around the start of the 1900s with the women's right movement.
While I will be the first to admit my sheer, bottomless loathing for feminism, I'll try to say this with the least bias as possible. Feminism, when it happened, was a good thing. We knew women were people too, we might as well give them the same rights - the whole "equality" thing in america, and all. Not a problem. The problem was when women continued this feminism movement into the later years, where the problems no longer existed, yet women used feminism as an excuse to gain more rights while getting nothing back (i.e. you can vote, but you can't be drafted).
Now, what's my point here? It seems like I just said how women were oppressed...but that really IS my point.
Men aren't oppressed. Men are enslaved to their inherent reproductive natures and endorphins. As a man, it is genetically "programmed" into you to find the most suitable mate and breed with them, thus ensuring the survival of the human race and so forth. Women, throughout time, have utilized this position and, quite frankly, abused it to get what they want from men.
However, this is NOT oppression. This is simply manipulation.
So there you are, there's my post which took entirely too long to write, and I hope it serves at least SOME use, if not much.

I'm gonna call all of this out. Can you provide some kind of reference to support any of this? The first point in particular could use some proving.

[Dr. Walker]

...I would think men ARE oppressed.

Back in the shitty ole' days, women were nothing and big MEN were EVERYTHING!

They complained and complained about getting their rights, and they have. Now, they are more or less pushing us.

Men doing the cooking?! WTF
I actually like cooking, but still! Absoludicrous!

Well, personally aside...I'm somewhat of a masochist, so I like it when women are rowdy around me. :3

But concerning politics, and that type of power, women are putting too much pressure and guilt on us. >.>